Re: Is it possible to trust a female?
The Babaloughesian
Johnston wrote:
> Over the last few years I have read countless horror stories about the
> things women do to men, on this newsgroup and other forums.
>
> And I don't just mean forums like this... I mean ones about completely
> unrelated topics - but the issue keeps coming up on them. Stories about
> marriages going to hell, cheating women, promiscuous women who treat
> good men like garbage, men who get taken to the cleaners during divorces.
>
> These may just be internet forums... but I think they speak the truth. I
> think internet forums have helped me to understand female behaviour, and
> have given me countless cautionary tales about the terrible things women
> do to men - and how men should never put themselves in a vulnerable
> position.
>
> And there is a real life experience that I have, of a good female friend
> that I trusted, one day deciding she hates me for no reason.
>
> What is the point of getting married or having a long term relationship,
> when you could wake up one morning and find that the woman has left and
> broken off all contact with you?
I don't know. Why do women do it when they risk the same thing?
> Can women be trusted, or should men simply NEVER put their emotional and
> financial assets at the mercy of female manipulation?
The latter.
If this wasn't a group of shy guys with below average social skills
with little to no hope of improving, there would be a third option--
have relationships, but maintain enough control over the situation that
you don't end up being manipulated; and a fourth-- screen out women who
aren't trustworthy. But those would likely involve some sort of
"manipulation" or "testing".
The Babaloughesian
> On 30 Jun 2006 20:38:53 -0700, "The Babaloughesian"
> time?
That's not my problem.
The Babaloughesian
Johnston wrote:
> > I don't know. Why do women do it when they risk the same thing?
>
> drugo/criminal/moron/jock bad boy over a nice normal guy.
What about when they choose weak, insecure guys instead of nice normal
guys?
> > If this wasn't a group of shy guys with below average social skills
> > with little to no hope of improving, there would be a third option--
> > have relationships, but maintain enough control over the situation that
> > you don't end up being manipulated; and a fourth-- screen out women who
> > aren't trustworthy. But those would likely involve some sort of
> > "manipulation" or "testing".
>
> The average man does not have the power to carry out manipulation or
> testing.
Why? What sort of power would he need in order to carry those things
out?
> And how can you "test" something which is inherently unpredictable?
How can you determine whether something is inherently unpredictable?
dan74
>
> Can women be trusted, or should men simply NEVER put their emotional and
> financial assets at the mercy of female manipulation?
I must admit, this is a topic I find disturbing.
Firstly, to answer your question....I'm sure there are women
who can be trusted, just like there are men who can be trusted.
For me it is total bullshit to label all women "evil".
It is stupid.
It is the oldest trap in human history to label a whole group of
people "evil". The Nazis did it, various other nations involved
in ethnic cleansing have done it, even George "W'" did it.
Most of the time, labelling a whole group of people 'evil'
is just projecting your own failures onto others. It is a trap.
Every person has a dark side.
To anyone who thinks that all women are evil, I ask this question:
you're saying all men are good? Well, there are so very many abusive,
dishonest
men out there who exploit and hurt others. In the end, men are
responsible for
most of the violence and brutality on this planet.
In the end, there are simply bad people out there- both men and women.
But, on the other hand...I find a lot of the recent attitudes of
"modern western women"
troubling.
First of all, I think feminism was needed to elevate women's position
in society. I even consider myself a feminist. I don't believe any
group of people should be subservient - regardless of sex, ethnicity,
sexual orientation or religion.
But, now I think western society has been 'overfeminized'. Men have
been thoroughly demonized - it's quite politically correct now to talk
about how 'bad' men are.
For example, if a man talks about liking a woman's looks, he is almost
branded as a 'superficial monster'. On the other hand, it seems quite
politically correct for a woman to gloat about her own superficial
preferences.
Because men have been so 'demonized', I think a lot of young women have
been programmed to think that men's "feelings" almost don't count at
all. Through the demonization of men, some women think they are the
only 'victims' - and there is often no concern for men's feelings.
Because of this, some western women seem to have developed an
'entitlement complex'.
The irony is that things have vastly improved for women in western
society. Women now no longer have to be economically dependent on men
(even though there still exists unequal pay), and they are sexually
liberated. But, there is still a tendency to hang on to their "victim
complex". It's like a lot of modern women want to have their cake and
eat it too.
Furthermore, it seems that gender roles have become more confused.On
one had, modern women want to be independent and have the same power as
men, but on the other hand - they still seek the "dominant" male, and
seem to be repulsed by any weaknesses in a man.
Also, some women I've spoken to seem to think that it's perfectly
normal for women to be "unreasonable". It's as if by being born a
woman, you are entitled to being "unreasonable". I don't think anyone
should aspire to being "unreasonable".
I don't think women are evil. But, these are some troubling attitudes
I've seen from today's women.
Of course, I could write a whole essay about character flaws in men. I
don't think any one sex is saintly in any way.
My point is ...there are both men and women that can be trusted.
There are also both men and women who are assholes.
At some time or another, we all act like assholes too.
The Babaloughesian
Johnston wrote:
> >>And how can you "test" something which is inherently unpredictable?
> >
> >
> > How can you determine whether something is inherently unpredictable?
>
I'm coming from the perspective of someone who doesn't understand the
reasoning behind the things you're saying.
> Do you consider women to be trustworthy and predictable?
I don't see how either of those qualities can inhere in any group of
people. They both depend upon the observer. Trustworthiness is an
individual value judgement. Whether something can be predicted or not
depends upon the amount of information an observer has and their
ability to analyze and understand it.
> If so, you must
> have had some very lucky personal experiences.
So are you saying that personal experiences are how you came to the
conclusion that women are inherently unpredictable? Is that the only
data you have?
LC
> Over the last few years I have read countless horror stories about the
> things women do to men, on this newsgroup and other forums.
>
> And I don't just mean forums like this... I mean ones about completely
> unrelated topics - but the issue keeps coming up on them. Stories about
> marriages going to hell, cheating women, promiscuous women who treat
> good men like garbage, men who get taken to the cleaners during divorces.
>
> These may just be internet forums... but I think they speak the truth. I
> think internet forums have helped me to understand female behaviour, and
> have given me countless cautionary tales about the terrible things women
> do to men - and how men should never put themselves in a vulnerable
> position.
>
> And there is a real life experience that I have, of a good female friend
> that I trusted, one day deciding she hates me for no reason.
>
> What is the point of getting married or having a long term relationship,
> when you could wake up one morning and find that the woman has left and
> broken off all contact with you?
>
> financial assets at the mercy of female manipulation?
The bigger question is: Is it possible to trust a human?
No.
dan74
LC wrote:
>
>
> The bigger question is: Is it possible to trust a human?
>
> No.
yeah. we're an untrustworthy lot.
LC
> Johnston wrote:
>
>> Can women be trusted, or should men simply NEVER put their emotional and
>> financial assets at the mercy of female manipulation?
>
> I must admit, this is a topic I find disturbing.
>
> Firstly, to answer your question....I'm sure there are women
> who can be trusted, just like there are men who can be trusted.
I disagree. No people can be trusted.
People can be relied on only to the point it serves them to
be reliable or honest with you. When it stops serving them
you're on your own.
I realize that sounds hopeless so I'll give you this.
Death. You can trust death.
dan74
LC wrote:
> dan74 schrieb:
>
> I realize that sounds hopeless so I'll give you this.
> Death. You can trust death.
Thanks. I feel better now
(in addition to be trustworthy, Death is also very
reliable...and patient!).
>
> I disagree. No people can be trusted.
>
> People can be relied on only to the point it serves them to
> be reliable or honest with you. When it stops serving them
> you're on your own.
I both agree and disagree.
Yes, people are self-serving, and will often bend the truth
as a means to an end.
There are different degrees to which people "bend" the truth:
sometimes rather innocently, sometimes grossly and maliciously.
But, some people really do value the truth.
Some people will do even do everything they can to stay close to the
truth, even putting it higher than their own needs (at least,
most of the time).
I know such people.
But, that's not to say that such people are perfect.
Every person has an 'achilles heel',
and they can be corrupted to a certain degree under the right
circumstances.
So, in this sense, I agree with you - no human can be trusted
totally and ideally.
I personally think people should at least try and live truthful lives.
I mean, if you don't even try - it's just anarchy.
RonW
and
financial assets at the mercy of female manipulation?>
There are alot of bad people in the world period. (men AND women) The
only time you give your trust to someone else, is when they've earned
that trust - which takes an investment of some time.
True colors eventually come out - thats one benefit for the dating
process, you can get some sort of a benchmark on where the other person
is coming from.
Dating women is similar to making friends. It's a hit and miss type of
thing if your reclusive like myself - opportunity to meet people who
have friendship potential, or relationship potential in your case
depends on how many opportunities you set up for yourself. In my case,
the last decade I have gone through around 6 sets of friends. I'm
really at the point now where I don't want any - I don't want people
knowing anything about me, I don't want people in my home. Except for
two of the friendships - the rest ended because I (we) concluded that
the people were takers and users. (which they were)
After a 'honeymoon' period of where we would get together for various
activities, it seemed as though the people would get almost too
comfortable and a light switch in my mind would turn off. Meaning, once
I saw things were heading down that path - I no longer wanted anything
at all to do with these people. One 'for instance' could be with the
last failed friendship. The guy and I clicked - had many similar
interests, so we got together pretty regularly. Eventually, the wife
and 4 kids started coming over - the two youngest were destructive in
our home which tended to cause my tolerance to become low. Then we
ended up helping them financially because frankly, they had no money -
thus no heat in the winter, food, etc. We gave without worrying about
getting anything back - but during one particular visit, the husband
started ordering my wife around - "get me another sandwich" type thing.
That incident doomed the relationship - as soon as I heard and saw
that attitude, they were ushered out within a half hour. (the light
switch)
I have yet to figure out why it is that when we do connect with people,
things end up this way. So I'm at the point where it's easier to just
go it alone - we have the three of us and while it would be nice to
have other people to share things with, its not worth it because in the
end, it never works out.
When I compare my experiences when it comes to making friends, I sort
of can see through the eyes of men who have been burned by women over
the years. After awhile, you decide it's not worth it. However, like
myself - if there is a pattern of drawing the wrong women, or for
whatever reason the wrong women gravitate towards you, there could be
an inner problem. I've admitted this myself that I could have some
sort of thing in my nature that for some reason or another, the wrong
people end up as my friend. Thus, I'd rather not have any if thats how
it's going to be.
RW
dan74
LC wrote:
>
> I disagree. No people can be trusted.
>
> People can be relied on only to the point it serves them to
> be reliable or honest with you. When it stops serving them
> you're on your own.
I'm curious....
what is your approach to being truthful?
Would you quite willingly lie and sacrifice the truth
in order to get what you want?
If you do lie, does it bother you?
Or, do you only lie in desperate situations,
and not feel good afterwards?
Freaky
> Also, some women I've spoken to seem to think that it's perfectly
> normal for women to be "unreasonable". It's as if by being born a
> woman, you are entitled to being "unreasonable". I don't think anyone
> should aspire to being "unreasonable".
As soon as you detect such traits, dump her for the next one. She will be
used by one "dominant" male after the other and by 30, she will turn into a
dried prune who can't understand why "all good guys are taken".
pug
>Johnston wrote:
>> Can women be trusted, or should men simply NEVER put their emotional and
>> financial assets at the mercy of female manipulation?
>I must admit, this is a topic I find disturbing.
Why so? Let me tell you that many females don't find such a topic
disturbing. Many females couldn't care less what men *think* of them
as men will always be *around* seeking out women at all costs.
>Firstly, to answer your question....I'm sure there are women
>who can be trusted, just like there are men who can be trusted.
>For me it is total bullshit to label all women "evil".
>It is stupid.
OK "all" women are not evil, but I have to tell you with my experience
being a female and watching their games (I am not allowed to play on
their team, seriously), the "evil" percentage is quite high.
But, hey, many men are no angels either, however the OP asked
specifically about trusting females, so that is what I will comment
on.
>It is the oldest trap in human history to label a whole group of
>people "evil". The Nazis did it, various other nations involved
>in ethnic cleansing have done it, even George "W'" did it.
>Most of the time, labelling a whole group of people 'evil'
>is just projecting your own failures onto others. It is a trap.
>Every person has a dark side.
True, humankind is certainly not coated with sugar and spices. I
suppose since every person has a dark side, we can state that everyone
has a tendency to be "evil."
>To anyone who thinks that all women are evil, I ask this question:
>you're saying all men are good? Well, there are so very many abusive,
>dishonest
>men out there who exploit and hurt others. In the end, men are
>responsible for
>most of the violence and brutality on this planet.
Yes, men are responsible for most of the violence and brutality on
this planet. But keep in mind that females are the main child rearers
on this planet, they rear the males who become the "brutal" beasts
roaming this planet.
>In the end, there are simply bad people out there- both men and women.
Yes, in fact there are too many bad people out there for my liking,
unfortunately.
>But, on the other hand...I find a lot of the recent attitudes of
>"modern western women"
>troubling.
This, I believe is what the OP is referring to about "trusting"
females. It is the modern western female's entitlement attitude with
no sacrifices on her part, that is most distressing.
>First of all, I think feminism was needed to elevate women's position
>in society. I even consider myself a feminist.
My condolences. I won't go off on my feminist rant, and how women
"supposedly" needed feminism to "save" them from male subjugation, it
is a topic most people are sick of hearing about from me anyway.
> I don't believe any
>group of people should be subservient - regardless of sex, ethnicity,
>sexual orientation or religion.
I believe there will always be subservient groups of people, just as
there are subservient groups of animals in the animal kingdom. Most
humans on this planet are not *that* altruistic to give up their
higher place on the pecking chain (unless you are a white feminized
she-male or female, but I digress) .
>But, now I think western society has been 'overfeminized'. Men have
>been thoroughly demonized - it's quite politically correct now to talk
>about how 'bad' men are.
It has been like that for a while. Male demonization really started to
take up steam back in the early 1980's with the advent of the
afternoon "talk" shows. Women really lapped up the sob stories about
how men are abusers, and women are being discriminated in the
workplace, etc.
Quite disturbing really, how well propaganda works and how fast in our
modern technological society.
Anyway, if you support feminism, you take the chance of society being
"over-feminized."
>For example, if a man talks about liking a woman's looks, he is almost
>branded as a 'superficial monster'. On the other hand, it seems quite
>politically correct for a woman to gloat about her own superficial
>preferences.
That is because women ARE allowed to gloat about their preferences. If
you support feminism, you need to support a female's right to do
anything a male is NOT allowed to do. Feminism is for championing
female rights, NOT male rights (regardless of how much the feminists
*tell* you they are for --equal-- rights for both sexes).
>Because men have been so 'demonized', I think a lot of young women have
>been programmed to think that men's "feelings" almost don't count at
>all.
Most young women, who have been raised in a modern western feminized
society these past 70 years, *have* been programmed to think that
men's feelings don't count. That is one of the goals of feminism, to
raise the status of females in society, which in essence means
replacing the men with women in all aspects of life. Men don't count,
if they did, females would never gain so-called "equal" footing in a
patriarchal society.
>Through the demonization of men, some women think they are the
>only 'victims' - and there is often no concern for men's feelings.
>Because of this, some western women seem to have developed an
>'entitlement complex'.
Of course females are entitled, that is what feminism has been pushing
for all these years.
>The irony is that things have vastly improved for women in western
>society. Women now no longer have to be economically dependent on men
[sarcasm mode on]
Thank God! Now women no longer need men, well except for that little
"sperm" problem.
[sarcasm mode off]
As women no longer need to be dependent on men economically, they no
longer need to be dependent on men to help raise a family, hence a
docile, fragmented society full of one parent families (single mothers
and divorcees) ruled over by the Family Courts and government social
workers.
>(even though there still exists unequal pay),
OK, I won't go there about the pay issue, as I have already stated my
opinion regarding maternity leaves for women and how it effects their
seniority in the workplace.
> and they are sexually
>liberated.
You speak of *that* like it is a good thing. You bemoan females for
not caring about men's feelings, why should they? Seemingly, female
sexual liberation has resulted in more immoral behavior and now
females can be just like men when it comes to "love 'em and leave
'em."
>But, there is still a tendency to hang on to their "victim
>complex". It's like a lot of modern women want to have their cake and
>eat it too.
Of course females want to have their cake and to eat it too. Many
males, especially males who are feminists willingly doling out the
cake to the females, day after day.
The "victim complex" works, females know that, and that is why they
still use it. Seriously, there was this female at my job who stole
$7,500 from the workplace (forged a company check). The owner, who is
male, was pissed off and called the police to press charges. This
female came into the workplace with the police and she was in "tears"
(I was there I saw it).
She cried and cried stating she gave the money to a lawyer who then
took off, and she needed the money to help pay for her children, blah,
blah, blah (she was married twice with multiple children, you know the
drill).
With those tears and sob story, the owner folded like a cheap
accordion. Needless to say, no charges were pressed against her for
the theft (the money was returned to the owner by the bank who should
not have cashed the forged check).
What was even more surprising (not really), is later on the owner came
to find out that this female who was in such pain, was a drug dealer
who had a shit load of money going into and out of her bank account,
and...get this...her second husband knew nothing of her shady
dealings, and now he is getting a divorce from her.
Yup, she knew just when to play the victim card to get off from a
felony charge. Women are such victims.
How do you think that scenario would have played out if a male was the
thief?
>Furthermore, it seems that gender roles have become more confused.On
>one had, modern women want to be independent and have the same power as
>men, but on the other hand - they still seek the "dominant" male, and
>seem to be repulsed by any weaknesses in a man.
Yup. As I stated in another post, women are nutcases.
>Also, some women I've spoken to seem to think that it's perfectly
>normal for women to be "unreasonable". It's as if by being born a
>woman, you are entitled to being "unreasonable". I don't think anyone
>should aspire to being "unreasonable".
It is a woman's prerogative to change her mind, doncha know.
>I don't think women are evil. But, these are some troubling attitudes
>I've seen from today's women.
I believe deep down inside, the modern western female is "evil" in the
sense that she has been programmed by self-serving feminists to
destroy an entire gender in order to exalt her own gender. I also
believe many modern western males are to blame for their enabling of
such feminist attitudes in society.
>Of course, I could write a whole essay about character flaws in men. I
>don't think any one sex is saintly in any way.
>My point is ...there are both men and women that can be trusted.
>There are also both men and women who are assholes.
>At some time or another, we all act like assholes too.
Obviously. Humans are humans.
My point is, to the OP, yes you can "try" to trust a female. But I am
guessing more than likely you will be screwed in the long run,
therefore always watch your back, and be VERY observant to her
actions.
pug
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Mr. Jellineck: No.
Mr. Noblet: Divorced?
Mr. Jellineck: She was murdered.
Mr. Noblet: Sometimes that can be just as painful.
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dan74
pug wrote:
>
> > I don't believe any
> >group of people should be subservient - regardless of sex, ethnicity,
> >sexual orientation or religion.
>
> I believe there will always be subservient groups of people, just as
> there are subservient groups of animals in the animal kingdom. Most
> humans on this planet are not *that* altruistic to give up their
> higher place on the pecking chain (unless you are a white feminized
> she-male or female, but I digress) .
OK, maybe I'm being too idealistic. Especially if we live in a
nihilistic
world, the "law of the jungle" will always apply...like you're saying.
Maybe it was incorrect of me to label myself a "feminist" - probably
'idealist' is more correct. As an idealist, I guess I like the idea of
equality. I simply find subservience to be a repulsive concept.
>
> Anyway, if you support feminism, you take the chance of society being
> "over-feminized."
Well, I'm not exactly a campaigner for feminism...although as somewhat
of
an idealist,
ideas of equality and fairness are appealing to me.
But, I agree that society has become 'over-feminized', and I can
see many destructive consequences of it.
>
> That is because women ARE allowed to gloat about their preferences. If
> you support feminism, you need to support a female's right to do
> anything a male is NOT allowed to do. Feminism is for championing
> female rights, NOT male rights (regardless of how much the feminists
> *tell* you they are for --equal-- rights for both sexes).
Well, if this is the case, it means that "feminism" has
*mis-represented* itself.
On the surface, the idea of feminism was to eliminate the subservience
of women - not to make men subservient. So, if the goal of
feminism was to destroy the male species (as you seem to imply) - then
it's really a
sinister conspiracy of X-files proprotions...
>
> As women no longer need to be dependent on men economically, they no
> longer need to be dependent on men to help raise a family, hence a
> docile, fragmented society full of one parent families (single mothers
> and divorcees) ruled over by the Family Courts and government social
> workers.
Yeah, there is a lot of that going on.
> > and they are sexually
> >liberated.
>
> You speak of *that* like it is a good thing. You bemoan females for
> not caring about men's feelings, why should they? Seemingly, female
> sexual liberation has resulted in more immoral behavior and now
> females can be just like men when it comes to "love 'em and leave
> 'em."
Yeah, but what solution do you propose? Do you think a male dominated
society with arranged marriages creates a healthier society? There
are ethical questions regarding arranged marriages too....because one
person
is imposing their will on another person in this situation. Some would
regard that evil in itself, wouldn't you agree?
>
> I believe deep down inside, the modern western female is "evil" in the
> sense that she has been programmed by self-serving feminists to
> destroy an entire gender in order to exalt her own gender. I also
> believe many modern western males are to blame for their enabling of
> such feminist attitudes in society.
Well, that's a thoroughly depressing notion.
>
> My point is, to the OP, yes you can "try" to trust a female. But I am
> guessing more than likely you will be screwed in the long run,
> therefore always watch your back, and be VERY observant to her
> actions.
>
> pug
>
OK. it doesn't like people are in a very cheery mood tonight.
One poster said that I should trust only death,
and now I'm being told the modern western female is truly evil.
Depressing.
Time to go to bed, I think.
helen
Johnston wrote:
> Over the last few years I have read countless horror stories
..."countless" ... but whose counting?
> Can women be trusted, or should men simply NEVER put their emotional and
> financial assets at the mercy of female manipulation?
of course not ... because we are eeeeevilllllllllllllll!
{nya ha ha!)
h
helen
Johnston wrote:
> >>These may just be internet forums... but I think they speak the truth. I
> >>think internet forums have helped me to understand female behaviour, and
> >>have given me countless cautionary tales about the terrible things women
> >>do to men - and how men should never put themselves in a vulnerable
> >>position.
> >
> > custody cases. When you father a child you have just signed up for 18
> > years of child support while the mother can do whatevet she wants to
> > do.
>
> I have always known that I will never want or have children. That issue
> is one of countless reasons why. In fact I sometimes think children are
> a conspiracy by women to enslave men to a soul-destroying suburban
> existence.
rotflmao!
& sooooo ... you've found out our devious plan?
> Of course some men genuinely like this life, and good for them.
i don't think you get another one, except as a tree or rock or ... [?]
> But they
> should never forget: They stand forever at the precipice of despair -
> their life is at the mercy of their woman's whims.
whimsically speaking ... of course
> She gets into a bad mood one day? IT'S OVER. Forget negotiations,
> compromise, fairness, discussion of how to resolve the problem. She will
> not care - something has clicked in her head and there is no going back.
there was just no explaining those heads in the freezer, was there?
damned women!
> But whether there are children or not, you always have something
> invested in a relationship. And you give it to the woman and she can
> crush it whenever she wants.
under a spiked heel ~ [spank!]
> I don't actually blame feminism for all this... I don't fantasise about
> going back to the 50's or adopting wahabi'ist islam to govern the country.
don't like bettie pages' giant bomber tits?
> But I would like women to be trustworthy, stable and sane.
like you?
h (off to roast puppies for breakfast)
helen
pug wrote:
> I believe deep down inside, the modern western female is "evil" in the
(zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...) oh, sorry you were ranting...yes,
"eeeevillll..."
> >Of course, I could write a whole essay about character flaws in men. I
> >don't think any one sex is saintly in any way.
oh no ... just ask them. they are big ol' victim boys ~ waterwalkers
> >My point is ...there are both men and women that can be trusted.
> >There are also both men and women who are assholes.
> >At some time or another, we all act like assholes too.
>
> Obviously. Humans are humans.
excpt republicans ~ aliens, every last one of them!
> My point is, to the OP, yes you can "try" to trust a female. But I am
> guessing more than likely you will be screwed in the long run,
> therefore always watch your back, and be VERY observant to her
> actions.
>
> pug
& sneak up on her when she's taking a poot & yell: "boggly boggly" real
loud.
h
helen
Visi Caulk Mah Pnats wrote:
> Well for some reason men are all too willing to get married.
that's because they are hypnotized by these (waving titties)
hot & tasty ta tas!
( * ) ( * )
h
helen
Visi Caulk Mah Pnats wrote:
is it just me, or have these guys been slacking on the i-hate-girls
threads?
h
Manuel Clowes Jr.
What about your mom, dude?
MANUEL HAS SPOKEN!
Pumpkinhead
"Johnston" <2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44a5ddf2$0$20425$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> Can women be trusted, or should men simply NEVER put their emotional and
> financial assets at the mercy of female manipulation?
I don't know. But I think DNA paternity tests should be a legal requirement
for all children and newborn babies.
LC
> LC wrote:
>
>> I disagree. No people can be trusted.
>>
>> People can be relied on only to the point it serves them to
>> be reliable or honest with you. When it stops serving them
>> you're on your own.
>
> I'm curious....
> what is your approach to being truthful?
Hm. I don't know that I have an approach to being truthful.
I've never thought about it.
> Would you quite willingly lie and sacrifice the truth
> in order to get what you want?
It would depend what it was I wanted and how important I
thought that thing was.
For instance, if lying would save my kids then yes, I would
willingly lie.
Would I lie to cheat someone out of something I wanted for
myself, like a blouse or a car or a job? No. I might not
volunteer information (some consider that a sin of omission
and basically the same thing as lying), but I wouldn't lie
outright. I just wouldn't cooperate.
> If you do lie, does it bother you?
I lie occasionally. I'm human. I'd be lying if I said I
didn't.
It always bothers me. It bothers me until the situation is
resolved, or enough time passes that I'm able to forget it.
Sometimes I can never forget. There are lies I told
twenty years ago that still stab me today if I think of them.
> Or, do you only lie in desperate situations,
> and not feel good afterwards?
Sometimes. No desperate situations come to mind at the
moment but I wouldn't put it past me.
Whenever I lie I feel bad about it. That's what keeps me
from lying constantly.
LC
> LC wrote:
>> dan74 schrieb:
>
>
>> I realize that sounds hopeless so I'll give you this.
>> Death. You can trust death.
>
> Thanks. I feel better now
> (in addition to be trustworthy, Death is also very
> reliable...and patient!).
>
>> I disagree. No people can be trusted.
>>
>> People can be relied on only to the point it serves them to
>> be reliable or honest with you. When it stops serving them
>> you're on your own.
>
> I both agree and disagree.
> Yes, people are self-serving, and will often bend the truth
> as a means to an end.
> There are different degrees to which people "bend" the truth:
> sometimes rather innocently, sometimes grossly and maliciously.
>
> But, some people really do value the truth.
> Some people will do even do everything they can to stay close to the
> truth, even putting it higher than their own needs (at least,
> most of the time).
> I know such people.
Those are the people I had in mind when I said they can be
relied on only to the point it serves them to be reliable or
honest. If honesty didn't feed their ego in some way they'd
have no reason to be honest. In this way being reliable
serves them and other people benefit from it.
I think a person's morals depend on what behaviors give them
the more positive self-image. If you think being "bad"
makes you smart and cool, you'll be bad. And vice versa.
It all depends where our priorities lie, and how our
priorities impact other people.
dan74
LC wrote:
>
> Those are the people I had in mind when I said they can be
> relied on only to the point it serves them to be reliable or
> honest. If honesty didn't feed their ego in some way they'd
> have no reason to be honest. In this way being reliable
> serves them and other people benefit from it.
But, what about being honest simply because you feel
a sense of brotherhood (or sisterhood) with her your fellow
man? By lying and hurting others, it usually makes you feel
disconnected
(and therefore, alienated) from other people - therefore you
avoid hurting them, to avoid this sense of disconnection
and alienation?
Is that a valid mechanism?
Or, what about the idea that simply causing pain in others
causes pain and distress in yourself - therefore you avoid
doing it, to avoid guilt, and so on?
I suppose both these mechanisms relate to the ego,
and the ego's sense of worth and sense of safety. So, perhaps
it relates to back to your idea.
>
> I think a person's morals depend on what behaviors give them
> the more positive self-image. If you think being "bad"
> makes you smart and cool, you'll be bad. And vice versa.
> It all depends where our priorities lie, and how our
> priorities impact other people.
This is something I've thought about all my life.
Is there real "good" in people, or is 'morality' just
a pretense for maintaining the ego's sense of worth?
If that were true, it means nobody cares about anybody -
love, respect and care for other human beings is just an
illusion. In the end, all human "good" is a pretense for
fullfilling some narcissistic need to inflate one's ego.
I don't know, I find that a profoundly depressing idea.
I'm not saying it's not true, but it's depressing.
It would be nice to think that people actually "care"
about someone else in the world.
dan74
Good answers. I concur.
Mxsmanic
--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
michaela
>> I don't know. Why do women do it when they risk the same thing?
>
> Women only get into this situation when they choose
> drugo/criminal/moron/jock bad boy over a nice normal guy.
>
> I think most decent men have loyalty to their woman, and will
> generally do the right thing by the relationship. And in the case of
> breakup or divorce, try to make sure things are done fairly with
> adequate discussion.
>
>> If this wasn't a group of shy guys with below average social skills
>> with little to no hope of improving, there would be a third
option--
>> have relationships, but maintain enough control over the situation
>> that you don't end up being manipulated; and a fourth-- screen out
>> women who aren't trustworthy. But those would likely involve some
>> sort of "manipulation" or "testing".
>
> The average man does not have the power to carry out manipulation or
> testing.
Yes. The average man was brought kicking & screaming into
this world against his will and men are the weaker sex. So it's
only right that women be in charge.
- Michaela
Binkerton
>
> What is the point of getting married or having a long term relationship,
> when you could wake up one morning and find that the woman has left and
> broken off all contact with you?
>
This happened to my uncle. He woke up one morning and she was packing
her bags.
I think there are some good women out there but they are rare and taken.
I think that most are out for what they can get.
Men don't help the situation. Men have lost there gestalt. Even the Bad
Boys are politically correct these days. I'm not saying that men should
be abusive or anything like that but we've lost our power as a whole.
We've come to believe the rhetoric that we are "dirty brutes". I see men
quietly slaving away at meaningless jobs and women driving in blinged
out SUVs gabbing on cell phones.
It's a woman's world right now.
pug
>>Johnston wrote:
>> What is the point of getting married or having a long term relationship,
>> when you could wake up one morning and find that the woman has left and
>> broken off all contact with you?
>This happened to my uncle. He woke up one morning and she was packing
>her bags.
Nahh...say it isn't so, that never happens, all women are goddesses.
Anyway, I am sure she had a *good* reason (meaning it is the man's
fault) for packing her bags.
>I think there are some good women out there but they are rare and taken.
Or they have given up on society altogether. I am guessing you are
looking at .001% of decent women being available, so out of say 300
million (population of the US), you have maybe 300,000 decent females
to choose from (in reality less because not all females will be of
legal age).
Yeah, that is a stat I just pulled out of my ass, so what? Sounds good
to me, and it jives with my experience, therefore I am sticking with
it.
>I think that most are out for what they can get.
Yes. It is the nature of the beast or should I say beastess?
>Men don't help the situation. Men have lost there gestalt.
You have that right.
>Even the Bad
>Boys are politically correct these days. I'm not saying that men should
>be abusive or anything like that but we've lost our power as a whole.
Yes you have. Thank God for feminism, eh?
>We've come to believe the rhetoric that we are "dirty brutes". I see men
>quietly slaving away at meaningless jobs and women driving in blinged
>out SUVs gabbing on cell phones.
Whoa...hold on there sonny boy, you are not allowed to interject a
"real" life experience or observation in any post on ASS or any Usenet
group for that matter. It is against the rules. Just because *you*
have experienced and observed the selfishness of women in your *real*
life does not mean it is true.
Your observations regarding female behavior are obviously skewed as
you are a male, therefore your opinion and comment *will* be ignored
or ridiculed, by ASS's resident females and she-males.
>It's a woman's world right now.
Yes it is. Learn to live in it and "love" it, as women have come a
long way to finally "get what is owed them" and hell if they are going
to give up their exalted position in society anytime soon.
Anyway, why so glum?
I know... it must be because *you* are a loser (or should I say
"looser") and not getting any pussy...yeah that's it. (see I am
learning to be one of the witty gals here on ASS).
pug
[Still in a bad mood...yup]
Guard: Don't fight it son. Confess quickly! If you hold out too long
you could jeopardize your credit rating.
- "Brazil"
pug
> > > pug wrote:
> > > I believe deep down inside, the modern western female is "evil"
> > > in the
> (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...) oh, sorry you were ranting...yes,
> "eeeevillll..."
What do you have to bring to the conversation? Oh that is right,
nothing except your usual, flippant half-assed attempt at humor, which
gets old real quick in my opinion. Of course not that my opinion
matters to you or any other female, because at 22 years old you have
seen it all and lived it all, therefore you *know* it all.
Bahh...it is like talking to the goddamn wall, except the wall is more
attractive.
> > > Obviously. Humans are humans.
> excpt republicans ~ aliens, every last one of them!
Yeah...that's right, if I could understand what the hell you were
saying.
> > > My point is, to the OP, yes you can "try" to trust a female.
> > > But I am guessing more than likely you will be screwed in the
> > > long run, therefore always watch your back, and be VERY
> > > observant to her actions.
>> > > > pug
> & sneak up on her when she's taking a poot & yell: "boggly boggly"
> real loud.
> h
OK, I am all for humor and the like, but truly, you are a childish
piece of shit, literally. If being a misogynist, means I don't have to
put up with your kind, I will wear that scarlett "M" on my chest
proudly.
And then the "other" chimed in:
>On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 17:30:07 +0000 (UTC), "Visi Caulk Mah Pnats" <T...@T.com> wrote:
> yeah we were overdue for an eeeevvvviiiillll wimins thread.
>> is it just me, or have these guys been slacking on the i-hate-girls
>> threads?
>> h
>yes they have.
>and the nazi threads have died off too. :p
If only I could laugh my ass off at such sparkling non-humor between
two typical examples of brain dead females attempting to exhibit witty
repartee, but failing miserably, yet again.
Yes, I am in a bad mood, so fucking kill me and put me out of my
goddamn misery.
pug
Sarcasm: the last refuge of modest and chaste-souled people when the
privacy of their soul is coarsely and intrusively invaded.
- Fyodor Dostoevsky
Solitary Soul
>pug wrote:
>
>> > helen wrote:
>>
>> > > > pug wrote:
>>
>> > > > I believe deep down inside, the modern western female is "evil"
>> > > > in the
>>
>> > (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...) oh, sorry you were ranting...yes,
>> > "eeeevillll..."
>>
>> What do you have to bring to the conversation? Oh that is right,
>> nothing except your usual, flippant half-assed attempt at humor, which
>> gets old real quick in my opinion. Of course not that my opinion
>> matters to you or any other female, because at 22 years old you have
>> seen it all and lived it all, therefore you know it all.
>Too bad you are having a bad day/life
>
>as I'm having a great one myself.
... and that's The Bottom Line, isn't it?
IOW: The ultimate objective in life is to maximize your happiness potential.
A person could be a complete idiot, living in abject poverty, yet be perfectly
happy with himself - and his living conditions. By comparison and contrast,
there are people living in the lap of luxury who are absolutely miserable.
I propose a definition of "loser" as someone who is unable to achieve
happiness within their own lives, and have a compelling need to tear down
others in order to feel better about themselves.
.
Solitary Soul -> http://users3.ev1.net/~solitarysoul/
-----------------------------------------------------
To hate someone else for your own failings is nothing less than insane.
- Solitary Soul
helen
Binkerton wrote:
and women driving in blinged
> out SUVs gabbing on cell phones.
> It's a woman's world right now.
"hands-free" headsets ~
way to go.
h
helen
pug wrote:
> >helen wrote:
>
> > > > pug wrote:
>
> > > > I believe deep down inside, the modern western female is "evil"
> > > > in the
>
> > (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...) oh, sorry you were ranting...yes,
> > "eeeevillll..."
>
> What do you have to bring to the conversation?
am i failing to exude appropriate hate? damn me!
> Oh that is right,
> nothing except your usual, flippant half-assed attempt at humor, which
> gets old real quick in my opinion. Of course not that my opinion
> matters to you
...{blush} no. i don't give a fuck what you think.
> or any other female,
hate-hate-hate
> because at 22 years old you have
> seen it all and lived it all, therefore you *know* it all.
yes, age imparts wisdom...{gag}
> Bahh...it is like talking to the goddamn wall, except the wall is more
> attractive.
;P
> > > > Obviously. Humans are humans.
>
> > excpt republicans ~ aliens, every last one of them!
>
> Yeah...that's right, if I could understand what the hell you were
> saying.
i'm so hard to read...
> > > > My point is, to the OP, yes you can "try" to trust a female.
> > > > But I am guessing more than likely you will be screwed in the
> > > > long run, therefore always watch your back, and be VERY
> > > > observant to her actions.
>
> >> > > > pug
>
> > & sneak up on her when she's taking a poot & yell: "boggly boggly"
> > real loud.
>
> > h
>
> OK, I am all for humor and the like, but truly, you are a childish
> piece of shit, literally.
'literally?' whoa; miss hanky, the xmas poo!
> If being a misogynist, means I don't have to
> put up with your kind, I will wear that scarlett "M" on my chest
> proudly.
oh wahhhh...i'm so crushed. (kinda like a 'pug's' face.)
>
> And then the "other" chimed in:
>
> >On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 17:30:07 +0000 (UTC), "Visi Caulk Mah Pnats" <T...@T.com> wrote:
>
> > yeah we were overdue for an eeeevvvviiiillll wimins thread.
>
> >> is it just me, or have these guys been slacking on the i-hate-girls
> >> threads?
>
> >> h
>
> >yes they have.
>
> >and the nazi threads have died off too. :p
>
> If only I could laugh my ass off at such sparkling non-humor between
> two typical examples of brain dead females attempting to exhibit witty
> repartee, but failing miserably, yet again.
you felt the >need< to jump in & be a buzz-killer.
(actually, i'm lol @ you so my buzz is safe!)
> Yes, I am in a bad mood, so fucking kill me and put me out of my
> goddamn misery.
>
> pug
comedy is (your) pain & (my) distance from it.
h
Solitary Soul
>Over the last few years I have read countless horror stories about the
>things women do to men, on this newsgroup and other forums.
>
>And I don't just mean forums like this... I mean ones about completely
>unrelated topics - but the issue keeps coming up on them. Stories about
>marriages going to hell, cheating women, promiscuous women who treat
>good men like garbage, men who get taken to the cleaners during divorces.
>
>These may just be internet forums... but I think they speak the truth.
IOW: They don't have much in the way of credibility, yet you want to
accept it as "The Truth" (TM) anyway.
Does that strike anyone else (besides myself) as being a bit idiotic?
> I think internet forums have helped me to understand female behaviour, and
>have given me countless cautionary tales about the terrible things women
>do to men - and how men should never put themselves in a vulnerable
>position.
>
>And there is a real life experience that I have, of a good female friend
>that I trusted, one day deciding she hates me for no reason.
... for no reason that you're aware of.
... but that doesn't mean that she didn't have a reason.
If she had such a good deal going, then why would she give it up
on nothing more than a "foolish whim?"
There's more to that story than you're telling us.
>What is the point of getting married or having a long term relationship,
>when you could wake up one morning and find that the woman has left and
>broken off all contact with you?
That happens - I'm sure - but the trick is to find someone who you CAN trust
- who will likely stick it out - through thick and through thin - while in
the dating process - to find someone that you're compatible with - with
whom you can share a life together - that you enjoy the company of - as she
would enjoy the company of yourself as well.
Many people have managed to do this, and I'll point to the fact that
a lot of marriages remain viable - 奏ill death do them part - and the
probability that a marriage will survive the test of time is dependant
upon a VERY complex set of factors and circumstances.
For those of you who REALLY want to get into this, I would refer you to
a PDF report from the CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_022.pdf
... accessible from this page:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/pubs/pubd/series/sr23/pre-1/pre-1.htm
The probability of a successful marriage is dependent upon a wide set
of circumstances, but the biggest one of all is dependent upon the people
who choose to get involved with each other. It's a bit misleading to
assume that, because other people cannot make it work, you are doomed
to failure - and keep in mind that stupid people do stupid things
- so the probability of a marriage/relationship remaining viable
is dependant upon a whole lot more than just random chance.
Yes: There ARE stupid women, just like there are stupid men (but most of
the guys in this group are not interested in men as relationship partners
- which is why the focus is on women). It's up to you to evaluate a potential
relationship partner - on something more than how great the sex is
- and make that determination for yourself as to the probability that
the woman before you might be a nutcase that you should have nothing to do with.
I've met VERY few girls that I thought might be happy in a relationship
with me, which is the main reason why I've remained a Solitary Soul
- but what might work (or might not work) for myself would not hold true
for everyone else - as everyone has their own requirements as to what they
want/need in a potential relationship partner.
>Can women be trusted, or should men simply NEVER put their emotional and
>financial assets at the mercy of female manipulation?
I've always thought it interesting how men will worry about placing
their assets at risk in a committed LTR, yet will tell you that life isn't
worth living without having a woman/relationship.
If your life isn't worth living - and you're exhibiting suicidal tendencies
due to lack of female companionship - then what good does money do you?
IOW: Which is more important?
Here is a clue: Most women want to be thought of as something more than
just a fuck-toy. They will want a lot more from a relationship than just sex.
If you are unable or unwilling to give them something more, then they will
find a guy who CAN give them the sort of fun-factor that they seek. If a woman
is at least moderately attractive, then it's very likely that she will be
able to find other potential mates - in the event that you don't pan out
- if you cannot meet her expectations.
That's life - learn to deal with it.
.
Solitary Soul -> http://users3.ev1.net/~solitarysoul/
-----------------------------------------------------
I care deeply about the problems of others even though I hate them.
- ASStagon
A Human Being
Mxsmanic wrote:
> Trust no one.
Absolutely no one? Why ?
michaela
>> relationship, when you could wake up one morning and find that the
>> woman has left and broken off all contact with you?
>>
>
> This happened to my uncle. He woke up one morning and she was
packing
> her bags.
> I think there are some good women
Another person who believes there are good people and there
are bad people.
out there but they are rare and
> taken. I think that most are out for what they can get.
Unlike the average poster in a.s.s. of course.
- Michaela
LC
> LC wrote:
>
>> Those are the people I had in mind when I said they can be
>> relied on only to the point it serves them to be reliable or
>> honest. If honesty didn't feed their ego in some way they'd
>> have no reason to be honest. In this way being reliable
>> serves them and other people benefit from it.
>
> But, what about being honest simply because you feel
> a sense of brotherhood (or sisterhood) with her your fellow
> man?
But that would be me being honest because I felt the need to
be connected, see? It would serve me to do so.
> By lying and hurting others, it usually makes you feel
> disconnected
> (and therefore, alienated) from other people - therefore you
> avoid hurting them, to avoid this sense of disconnection
> and alienation?
> Is that a valid mechanism?
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean by "valid
mechansim". If you have the time and desire to explain
further, please do.
> Or, what about the idea that simply causing pain in others
> causes pain and distress in yourself - therefore you avoid
> doing it, to avoid guilt, and so on?
Same thing as my first answer, I think.
> I suppose both these mechanisms relate to the ego,
> and the ego's sense of worth and sense of safety. So, perhaps
> it relates to back to your idea.
Yeah.
>> I think a person's morals depend on what behaviors give them
>> the more positive self-image. If you think being "bad"
>> makes you smart and cool, you'll be bad. And vice versa.
>> It all depends where our priorities lie, and how our
>> priorities impact other people.
>
> This is something I've thought about all my life.
> Is there real "good" in people, or is 'morality' just
> a pretense for maintaining the ego's sense of worth?
The latter, imo. But if it does good, does others good, why
knock it, you know? Who cares why it happens as long as it
happens.
> If that were true, it means nobody cares about anybody -
> love, respect and care for other human beings is just an
> illusion. In the end, all human "good" is a pretense for
> fullfilling some narcissistic need to inflate one's ego.
:-/
> I don't know, I find that a profoundly depressing idea.
> I'm not saying it's not true, but it's depressing.
Yes, it is. So let's not accept it. Let's search on to see
if we can find something that challenges that idea. I'm not
satisfied with it either.
> It would be nice to think that people actually "care"
> about someone else in the world.
Yeah it would.
Mxsmanic
> Absolutely no one? Why ?
It's impossible to get through life without ever trusting anyone. But
trust involves risk, and to minimize risk, one must minimize trust.
pug
> ... and that's The Bottom Line, isn't it?
No, it isn't.
>IOW: The ultimate objective in life is to maximize your happiness potential.
Yes, maximize your so-called happiness potential at the expense of
others.
>A person could be a complete idiot, living in abject poverty, yet be perfectly
>happy with himself - and his living conditions.
Oblivious and stupid, yes, happy no.
> By comparison and contrast,
>there are people living in the lap of luxury who are absolutely miserable.
>
>I propose a definition of "loser" as someone who is unable to achieve
>happiness within their own lives, and have a compelling need to tear down
>others in order to feel better about themselves.
Yup, that is what I am a loser. I have admitted it for years, at least
I am honest about my *failings.*
Have a nice day my ass. If a meteor were to hit this earth tomorrow,
only then would my day be truly pleasant.
>Solitary Soul -> http://users3.ev1.net/~solitarysoul/
>-----------------------------------------------------
>To hate someone else for your own failings is nothing less than insane.
> - Solitary Soul
I don't hate people for my own failings, I hate people for *their*
failings.
pug
They couldn't understand why I never talked or socialized with
the other kiddies. So I was sent to a psychiatrist at the age
of seven. Who says psychotherapy doesn't work?
Binkerton
Pug, I always enjoy your posts. It's rare to find a woman who is willing
to question current popular thought!
I think most women would call you a traitor even though you are an equal
oppurtunity dis truster.
Binkerton
"I know that there is evil and I know that there is good. It's the in
between I've never understood" -Ben Folds
LivinLaVidaHaga
Visi Caulk Mah Pnats wrote:
> Sorry but I'm not giving you any more attention ya
>
Says the attention whore that contributes mostly pointless posts on the
minutiae of her vapid existence. Like anyone here gives a fuck.
Maybe its time to move on. And take the stupid filthy hermaphrodite
with ya!
LivinLaVidaHaga
Hardpan wrote:
> On 2 Jul 2006 18:31:29 -0700, "LivinLaVidaHaga"
> <scorpi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Visi Caulk Mah Pnats wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Sorry but I'm not giving you any more attention ya
> >>
> >
> >Says the attention whore that contributes mostly pointless posts on the
> >minutiae of her vapid existence. Like anyone here gives a fuck.
>
>
> >Maybe its time to move on. And take the stupid filthy hermaphrodite
> >with ya!
>
That was not directed at Pug, it was directed at Pnats.
LivinLaVidaHaga
Hardpan wrote:
>
> >Maybe its time to move on. And take the stupid filthy hermaphrodite
> >with ya!
>
> What is it about Pug that seems to bother you here?
the hermaphrodite is a reference to helen,and her true gender.
pug
>Oh STFU pug.
>
>You of all people have nothing to be bitter and shitty about.
Bullshit you pathetic old hag (yeah, I am one too, so I can say it).
You don't know jack shit about my life or the hell I went through for
twelve goddamn years with retarded people such as yourself who have
nothing better to do than tell me what a loser and piece of shit I
*am* because I won't grovel at your feet.
It is people like you, who I ignored and "let" make fun of me for
years and years, because I didn't want to drop to your base level.
Well no more. I will tell it like it is, and if you have a problem
with that tough shit.
What would make my life happy is to put a bullet in the head of each
and everyone of the assholes that felt it was their right (because it
made them happy and it was oh so funny) to make my life a living hell
for twelve years, so much so by the time I was 16 years old I was down
in the basement with a razor in my hands ready to slit my wrists.
If I wasn't such a goddamn coward I should have done it then.
And yes, I am being dramatic yet serious at the same time.
>People
>like you who have so much and they don't fucking appreciate it one bit
>but just want to fucking bitch and whine for attention.
What exactly do I have Ms. Know it all? Have you ever met me in
person? You and the others who hate my opinions and "whining" on this
group and other groups can take your "hatred" and shove it up your
sorry ass.
>Sorry but I'm not giving you any more attention ya
Great. One less piece of shit on my list to take down.
>Big feckin whiner.
Yes, that would be me. Now piss off Ms. Divorcee with an attitude.
pug
Humans, you can't live with them, and for some reason *they* can't
live without shoving their foot up your ass every chance they get.
Solitary Soul
>>On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:54:48 -0500, Solitary Soul <solitarys...@ev1.net> wrote:
>
>
>> ... and that's The Bottom Line, isn't it?
>
>No, it isn't.
... then what is?
IOW: What do you want out of life?
>>IOW: The ultimate objective in life is to maximize your happiness potential.
>
>Yes, maximize your so-called happiness potential at the expense of
>others.
So then you cannot find happiness without making someone else miserable?
>>A person could be a complete idiot, living in abject poverty, yet be perfectly
>>happy with himself - and his living conditions.
>
>Oblivious and stupid, yes, happy no.
How do you know that they are not (happy)?
I'm not stating that they are happy 24/7 - very few can achieve that
- but that they are contented with their lot in life - that they are satisfied.
>> By comparison and contrast,
>>there are people living in the lap of luxury who are absolutely miserable.
>>
>>I propose a definition of "loser" as someone who is unable to achieve
>>happiness within their own lives, and have a compelling need to tear down
>>others in order to feel better about themselves.
>
>Yup, that is what I am a loser. I have admitted it for years, at least
>I am honest about my *failings.*
Why do you want to be that way?
What value does being miserable bring to you?
If you have failings, then wouldn't it be in your best interests to
mitigate those failings?
>Have a nice day my ass. If a meteor were to hit this earth tomorrow,
>only then would my day be truly pleasant.
Then you don't believe that life is worth living?
... or is it just _your_ life that isn't worth living?
>>Solitary Soul -> http://users3.ev1.net/~solitarysoul/
>>-----------------------------------------------------
>>To hate someone else for your own failings is nothing less than insane.
>> - Solitary Soul
>
>I don't hate people for my own failings, I hate people for *their*
>failings.
So then why hold other people to a higher standard than you do for yourself?
.
Solitary Soul -> http://users3.ev1.net/~solitarysoul/
-----------------------------------------------------
"Most of the people here have no hope in them they'll be allowed
into the humanity club and just hate everybody for keeping them out.
The truth is now we keep ourselves out."
- Bandaid, 02-01-04
Solitary Soul
>On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 00:24:31 +0000 (UTC), "Visi Caulk Mah Pnats"
><T...@T.com> wrote:
>
>>You of all people have nothing to be bitter and shitty about. People
>>like you who have so much and they don't fucking appreciate it one bit
>>but just want to fucking bitch and whine for attention.
>
>
>How would you know what Pugs' life is like or how much she "has",
>littler "Mrs. Robinson"?
How would YOU know?
>Oh yeah, that's right.
>
>She has the temerity to speak out to the truths about women, from a
>woman's perspective, and you don't like it one tiny bit.
How did you get that from what Pnats posted?
You really need to stop sampling your own product so much.
>>Sorry but I'm not giving you any more attention ya
>
>Can you add me to that list?
... and this is an even MORE bizarre statement to make.
... given that it's usually you that initiates everything with Pnats.
... unprovoked and unsolicited.
You must have been as high as a kite when you made this post.
.
Solitary Soul -> http://users3.ev1.net/~solitarysoul/
-----------------------------------------------------
Solitary Soul
>
>Visi Caulk Mah Pnats wrote:
>
>
>> Sorry but I'm not giving you any more attention ya
>>
>
>Says the attention whore that contributes mostly pointless posts on the
>minutiae of her vapid existence. Like anyone here gives a fuck.
Have you looked in a mirror lately?
>Maybe its time to move on. And take the stupid filthy hermaphrodite
>with ya!
Why do you let them bother you so much?
.
Solitary Soul -> http://users3.ev1.net/~solitarysoul/
-----------------------------------------------------
Welcome to alt.support.shyness, also known as The *PAIN* Club.
- Solitary Soul
Solitary Soul
>>On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 00:24:31 +0000 (UTC), "Visi Caulk Mah Pnats" <T...@T.com> wrote:
>
>>Oh STFU pug.
>>
>>You of all people have nothing to be bitter and shitty about.
>
>Bullshit you pathetic old hag (yeah, I am one too, so I can say it).
>You don't know jack shit about my life or the hell I went through for
>twelve goddamn years with retarded people such as yourself who have
>nothing better to do than tell me what a loser and piece of shit I
>*am* because I won't grovel at your feet.
What makes you think that Pnats wants you to "grovel at [her] feet?"
Is Pnats putting you through hell?
>It is people like you, who I ignored and "let" make fun of me for
>years and years, because I didn't want to drop to your base level.
>Well no more. I will tell it like it is, and if you have a problem
>with that tough shit.
>
>What would make my life happy is to put a bullet in the head of each
>and everyone of the assholes that felt it was their right (because it
>made them happy and it was oh so funny) to make my life a living hell
>for twelve years, so much so by the time I was 16 years old I was down
>in the basement with a razor in my hands ready to slit my wrists.
If you're not willing to suffer the consequences of murder, then what
are you going to do about the "assholes" that made your life so miserable?
>If I wasn't such a goddamn coward I should have done it then.
>
>And yes, I am being dramatic yet serious at the same time.
>
>>People
>>like you who have so much and they don't fucking appreciate it one bit
>>but just want to fucking bitch and whine for attention.
>
>What exactly do I have Ms. Know it all?
What do you NOT have that you want?
> Have you ever met me in
>person? You and the others who hate my opinions and "whining" on this
>group and other groups can take your "hatred" and shove it up your
>sorry ass.
Aren't they playing the game by your rules?
.
Solitary Soul -> http://users3.ev1.net/~solitarysoul/
-----------------------------------------------------
pug
>>Bullshit you pathetic old hag (yeah, I am one too, so I can say it).
>>You don't know jack shit about my life or the hell I went through for
>>twelve goddamn years with retarded people such as yourself who have
>>nothing better to do than tell me what a loser and piece of shit I
>>*am* because I won't grovel at your feet.
>
>What makes you think that Pnats wants you to "grovel at [her] feet?"
There really is no point and me getting into a psychological
conversation with you because you will just come back and state I am
wrong, I can't *feel* that way, and litany me with more questions that
I will answer and then you will state my answers are wrong and I can't
*feel* that way.
Bah...but since you asked...
Ms. Divorcee with an attitude (regardless of what she may say) in my
*opinion* is a typical female, and yes human, who needs constant
verification that she is OK, that she isn't the crazy one. I believe
like all humans, she wants people to "like" her, regardless of how
much she may dislike or hate someone. If someone states an opinion
that she doesn't like (perhaps it comes too close to home, perhaps
not), it is out with the typical "you are such a whiner" comment.
Nothing is ever serious with her. Everything is a big fucking game,
literally.
Hey I am all for humor and games, but somedays one has to seriously
address a topic, especially if one wants to initiate change in this
world.
>Is Pnats putting you through hell?
Yes. Her and every other typical brain dead female is putting me
through hell. Females give females a bad name. I will call a spade a
spade, and it is time others do the same.
Yes I am crazy, I don't care, because in reality I *am* crazy, crazy
to still be kicking around on this planet.
>>It is people like you, who I ignored and "let" make fun of me for
>>years and years, because I didn't want to drop to your base level.
>>Well no more. I will tell it like it is, and if you have a problem
>>with that tough shit.
>>
>>What would make my life happy is to put a bullet in the head of each
>>and everyone of the assholes that felt it was their right (because it
>>made them happy and it was oh so funny) to make my life a living hell
>>for twelve years, so much so by the time I was 16 years old I was down
>>in the basement with a razor in my hands ready to slit my wrists.
>
>If you're not willing to suffer the consequences of murder, then what
>are you going to do about the "assholes" that made your life so miserable?
I am willing to suffer the consequences of murder, the real question
is do I have the energy to go find the hundred or so people who made
my life a living hell for twelve years more than 20 years ago?
Yeah, perhaps I am a total loon to keep harping on my brutal
experience in public school, but that experience, in my opinion, has
made me who I am today. Just as your past experiences have made you
who you are today.
I won't forgive and forget. I didn't deserve the ridicule and daily
verbal and physical abuse heaped on me by my classmates (if you think
I am being overdramatic, let me *tell* you I am NOT). I was quiet, I
was intelligent, I was artistic, and because of those qualities I was
harassed daily by my classmates for not being "normal." If I could
only have been normal...say like Ms Divorcee with an attitude...and
stopped being so goddamn self-righteous and smart, the abuse would
have stopped, right?
Fuck 'em, I am a good person, and I am not going grovel, dumb down
myself and remove my morals just so I can be liked by people who don't
deserve my company anyway.
>
>>If I wasn't such a goddamn coward I should have done it then.
>>
>>And yes, I am being dramatic yet serious at the same time.
>>
>>>People
>>>like you who have so much and they don't fucking appreciate it one bit
>>>but just want to fucking bitch and whine for attention.
>>
>>What exactly do I have Ms. Know it all?
>
>What do you NOT have that you want?
Let's see, I will be 40 years old in August, I live with my mom,
taking care of her from a stroke over ten years ago. I work a
part-time shitty job where I am earning the same amount of money I did
in 1992. I have no health insurance. I have never been married, I have
no kids. I do not have any local friends (yeah I know, with my
attitude, why would I expect to have any). I do not have a boyfriend,
I have been celibate for over two years. I have worked 20 lower middle
class crappy jobs in 22 years (doing the jobs Americans won't do), all
having nothing to do with my supposed college degree. Although I am
healthy enough for a 40 year old, I have this slight genetic AVM brain
problem in my family, which may explain much of my psychosis.
I want a home of my own. I want a creative job (it doesn't have to pay
a lot of money). I want intellectual stimulation from society. I want
a lifelong relationship with a man, a man who is intellectually
stimulating, a man who is masculine, a man who will let *me* take care
of him in the old fashion "Leave it to Beaver" June Cleaver way. (yeah
start the flames a throwing)
I want to start living and not just existing.
>> Have you ever met me in
>>person? You and the others who hate my opinions and "whining" on this
>>group and other groups can take your "hatred" and shove it up your
>>sorry ass.
>
>Aren't they playing the game by your rules?
And what are my rules? Oh yeah, to hate everyone. No, it is OK for
them to hate me for hating everyone, but they are *not* haters, doncha
know.
pug
"Woman's serfdom consists in the circumstance that she is looked upon
and sought after as an instrument of pleasure... Gymnasiums and high schools
are powerless to change this; it can only be altered by a change in men's views
of women and women's views of themselves."
"It can only be supplanted by a better state of things when woman considers
that the highest condition to which she, as a woman, can attain is that
of maidenhood - a state which she now regards as one of shame and disgrace."
"The Kreutzer Sonata" Leo Tolstoy 1891
pug
<solitarys...@ev1.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:48:01 -0400, pug <misein-a...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>>On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:54:48 -0500, Solitary Soul <solitarys...@ev1.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> ... and that's The Bottom Line, isn't it?
>>
>>No, it isn't.
>
> ... then what is?
It is not trying to be happy at all costs, because as we all know,
life really isn't set up for constant happiness and
self-gratification. If I believed as such, I would be even more
miserable than I am today, knowing I have failed at even achieving
1/100th of the bottom line of life.
I don't know what the bottom line if life is, but I don't believe it
is to achieve this so-called "Happiness." Perhaps life just is.
Somedays you will smile and laugh, other days you will cry, other days
you will feel nothing at all.
>IOW: What do you want out of life?
I stated that in my other reply on this thread.
>>>IOW: The ultimate objective in life is to maximize your happiness potential.
>>
>>Yes, maximize your so-called happiness potential at the expense of
>>others.
>
>So then you cannot find happiness without making someone else miserable?
I am not speaking of myself, I am speaking of the "others." The normal
people who are seeking happiness at the expense of others. I can tell
you that the hundreds of people who harassed me for twelve years were
mighty happy with their actions toward me. I believe many rather
enjoyed the abuse they put on me. As long as they had a convenient
punching bag (me), no one else would pick on them. If I wasn't there,
*they* may have ended up being the abusee, and then *they* would be
rather unhappy.
>>>A person could be a complete idiot, living in abject poverty, yet be perfectly
>>>happy with himself - and his living conditions.
>>
>>Oblivious and stupid, yes, happy no.
>
>How do you know that they are not (happy)?
How do you know that they are happy?
>I'm not stating that they are happy 24/7 - very few can achieve that
> - but that they are contented with their lot in life - that they are satisfied.
>
>
>>> By comparison and contrast,
>>>there are people living in the lap of luxury who are absolutely miserable.
>>>
>>>I propose a definition of "loser" as someone who is unable to achieve
>>>happiness within their own lives, and have a compelling need to tear down
>>>others in order to feel better about themselves.
>>
>>Yup, that is what I am a loser. I have admitted it for years, at least
>>I am honest about my *failings.*
>
>Why do you want to be that way?
It is what I am. I am an honest person. I am an observer. Yes, I speak
in black and white tones which many people find irritating and
uncomfortable. Perhaps I do that to specifically make people
uncomfortable, a payback for all the years they made my life
uncomfortable.
>What value does being miserable bring to you?
There is no value. It just is. What value does being shy bring to you?
>If you have failings, then wouldn't it be in your best interests to
>mitigate those failings?
Yes.
>>Have a nice day my ass. If a meteor were to hit this earth tomorrow,
>>only then would my day be truly pleasant.
>
>Then you don't believe that life is worth living?
Yes. Especially in today's modern technological world (you don't want
me going off on that rant).
> ... or is it just _your_ life that isn't worth living?
Obviously, my being alive isn't keeping this earth rotating on its
axis. I have the intelligence (some would say stupidity) to know that
little fact, which I suppose also makes me realize that in the scheme
of things, my life really isn't worth the effort I have been trying to
put into it these past 40 years. Yes I am depressive, not everyone can
be happy go-lucky and content in their surroundings and circumstances.
>>>Solitary Soul -> http://users3.ev1.net/~solitarysoul/
>>>-----------------------------------------------------
>>>To hate someone else for your own failings is nothing less than insane.
>>> - Solitary Soul
>>
>>I don't hate people for my own failings, I hate people for *their*
>>failings.
>
>So then why hold other people to a higher standard than you do for yourself?
That is the thousand dollar question, that I ask myself that everyday.
Perhaps I want the world to be a better place, perhaps I want society
to evolve to a higher life form. Humankind should strive for higher
standards and not settle for the status quo. Of course you will
probably come back and say, "who decides what are higher standards?"
Obviously it can't be me.
pug
"Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence."
-- Napoleon Bonaparte
A Human Being
Mxsmanic wrote:
> A Human Being writes:
>
> > Absolutely no one? Why ?
>
> It's impossible to get through life without ever trusting anyone. But
> trust involves risk, and to minimize risk, one must minimize trust.
How do you minimize trust in a person you trust ?
Binkerton
>
>
>>>On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:01:16 -0500, Solitary Soul
>>
>><solitarys...@ev1.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Bullshit you pathetic old hag (yeah, I am one too, so I can say
>>>>it). You don't know jack shit about my life or the hell I went
>>>>through for twelve goddamn years with retarded people such as
>>>>yourself who have nothing better to do than tell me what a loser
>>>>and piece of shit I *am* because I won't grovel at your feet.
>>>
>>>What makes you think that Pnats wants you to "grovel at [her] feet?"
>>
>>There really is no point and me getting into a psychological
>>conversation with you because you will just come back and state I am
>>I will answer and then you will state my answers are wrong and I can't
>>*feel* that way.
>>
>>Bah...but since you asked...
>>
>>Ms. Divorcee with an attitude (regardless of what she may say) in my
>>*opinion* is a typical female, and yes human, who needs constant
>>verification that she is OK, that she isn't the crazy one. I believe
>>like all humans, she wants people to "like" her, regardless of how
>>much she may dislike or hate someone. If someone states an opinion
>>that she doesn't like (perhaps it comes too close to home, perhaps
>>not), it is out with the typical "you are such a whiner" comment.
>>
>>Nothing is ever serious with her. Everything is a big fucking game,
>>literally.
>>
>>Hey I am all for humor and games, but somedays one has to seriously
>>address a topic, especially if one wants to initiate change in this
>>world.
>>
>>
>>>Is Pnats putting you through hell?
>>
>>Yes. Her and every other typical brain dead female is putting me
>>through hell. Females give females a bad name. I will call a spade a
>>spade, and it is time others do the same.
>>
>>to still be kicking around on this planet.
>>
>>
>>>>It is people like you, who I ignored and "let" make fun of me for
>>>>years and years, because I didn't want to drop to your base level.
>>>>Well no more. I will tell it like it is, and if you have a problem
>>>>with that tough shit.
>>>>
>>>>What would make my life happy is to put a bullet in the head of
>>>>each and everyone of the assholes that felt it was their right
>>>>(because it made them happy and it was oh so funny) to make my
>>>>life a living hell for twelve years, so much so by the time I was
>>>>16 years old I was down in the basement with a razor in my hands
>>>>ready to slit my wrists.
>>>
>>>If you're not willing to suffer the consequences of murder, then
>>>what are you going to do about the "assholes" that made your life
>>>so miserable?
>>
>>I am willing to suffer the consequences of murder, the real question
>>is do I have the energy to go find the hundred or so people who made
>>my life a living hell for twelve years more than 20 years ago?
>>
>>Yeah, perhaps I am a total loon to keep harping on my brutal
>>experience in public school, but that experience, in my opinion, has
>>made me who I am today. Just as your past experiences have made you
>>who you are today.
>>
>>I won't forgive and forget. I didn't deserve the ridicule and daily
>>verbal and physical abuse heaped on me by my classmates (if you think
>>of him in the old fashion "Leave it to Beaver" June Cleaver way. (yeah
>>start the flames a throwing)
>>
>>I want to start living and not just existing.
>>
>>
>>>>Have you ever met me in
>>>>person? You and the others who hate my opinions and "whining" on
>>>>this group and other groups can take your "hatred" and shove it
>>>>up your sorry ass.
>>>
>>>Aren't they playing the game by your rules?
>>
>>And what are my rules? Oh yeah, to hate everyone. No, it is OK for
>>know.
>>
>>pug
>>
>>"Woman's serfdom consists in the circumstance that she is looked upon
>>and sought after as an instrument of pleasure... Gymnasiums and high
>>schools are powerless to change this; it can only be altered by a
>>change in men's views of women and women's views of themselves."
>>
>>"It can only be supplanted by a better state of things when woman
>>considers that the highest condition to which she, as a woman, can
>>attain is that of maidenhood - a state which she now regards as one
>>of shame and disgrace."
>>
>>"The Kreutzer Sonata" Leo Tolstoy 1891
>>----------------------------------
>>Misanthropes Are People Too (unfortunately)
>>http://home.earthlink.net/~misein-anthropos/
>
>
> 20 years ago.
>
> The only reason it is shaping who you are is because you let it.
>
>
> As long as you allow those idiots to stay in your thoughts, they still
> have control over you. How stupid is that. Using yourself to punish
> yourself with what they did.
>
> The funny and sad part is those people probably even barely remember
> you at all if they even do. They don't remember you, what they did to
> you, nor do they care.
>
> How much do you really want those things pug? Spending so much time in
> shitty bitter victim mode doesn't allow much time to focus on what you
> say you want in life. But being a bitter victim gets a pay off of some
> sort. How utterly female. And you say you are so different than the
> rest of us? Don't see it. You are doing very typically female things.
>
> Put me down all you want pug girlie, but I turned my life around after
> the age of 40. Go ahead and put me down all you want cause I don't
> care. My life is pretty darn cool. Hell even some people say they envy
> me.
>
> I have an education. I have a good job that pays well and I like most
> of the time. I have an awesome boyfriend. I look good and feel good. I
> have no debt. I get to travel to the other side of the world and have a
> blast.
>
> I didn't get any of those things sitting around whinging about how
> unfair life is on usenet. boo hoo fucking hoo. This brain dead female
> got up off her ass and made those things happen.
>
> Continue on with your whinging victim act.
>
What was your life like before 40?
mickey
> On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:31:26 +0000 (UTC), "Visi Caulk Mah Pnats" <T...@T.com> wrote:
>
>
>>pug wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>helen wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>pug wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>I believe deep down inside, the modern western female is "evil"
>>>>>>in the
>>>
>>>>(zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...) oh, sorry you were ranting...yes,
>>>>"eeeevillll..."
>>>
>>>What do you have to bring to the conversation? Oh that is right,
>>>nothing except your usual, flippant half-assed attempt at humor, which
>>>gets old real quick in my opinion. Of course not that my opinion
>>>matters to you or any other female, because at 22 years old you have
>>>seen it all and lived it all, therefore you know it all.
>>>
>>>Bahh...it is like talking to the goddamn wall, except the wall is more
>>>attractive.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Obviously. Humans are humans.
>>>
>>>>excpt republicans ~ aliens, every last one of them!
>>>
>>>Yeah...that's right, if I could understand what the hell you were
>>>saying.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>My point is, to the OP, yes you can "try" to trust a female.
>>>>>>But I am guessing more than likely you will be screwed in the
>>>>>>long run, therefore always watch your back, and be VERY
>>>>>>observant to her actions.
>>>
>>>>>>>>pug
>>>
>>>>& sneak up on her when she's taking a poot & yell: "boggly boggly"
>>>>real loud.
>>>
>>>>h
>>>
>>>OK, I am all for humor and the like, but truly, you are a childish
>>>piece of shit, literally. If being a misogynist, means I don't have to
>>>put up with your kind, I will wear that scarlett "M" on my chest
>>>proudly.
>>>
>>>And then the "other" chimed in:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 17:30:07 +0000 (UTC), "Visi Caulk Mah Pnats"
>>>
>>><T...@T.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>yeah we were overdue for an eeeevvvviiiillll wimins thread.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>is it just me, or have these guys been slacking on the i-hate-girls
>>>>>threads?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>h
>>>
>>>>yes they have.
>>>
>>>>and the nazi threads have died off too. :p
>>>
>>>If only I could laugh my ass off at such sparkling non-humor between
>>>two typical examples of brain dead females attempting to exhibit witty
>>>repartee, but failing miserably, yet again.
>>>
>>>Yes, I am in a bad mood, so fucking kill me and put me out of my
>>>goddamn misery.
>>>
>>>pug
>>>
>>>Sarcasm: the last refuge of modest and chaste-souled people when the
>>>privacy of their soul is coarsely and intrusively invaded.
>>>- Fyodor Dostoevsky
>>
>>
>>Too bad you are having a bad day/life
>>
>>as I'm having a great one myself.
>
>
> ... and that's The Bottom Line, isn't it?
>
> there are people living in the lap of luxury who are absolutely miserable.
>
> I propose a definition of "loser" as someone who is unable to achieve
> happiness within their own lives, and have a compelling need to tear down
> others in order to feel better about themselves.
>
So what would that make "king of the loserheads"?
-M
Mxsmanic
> How do you minimize trust in a person you trust ?
By being selective. You might trust someone to bake a pie, but not
trust him to perform brain surgery. It's not all or nothing.
michaela
> michaela wrote:
>>>> What is the point of getting married or having a long term
>>>> relationship, when you could wake up one morning and find that
the
>>>> woman has left and broken off all contact with you?
>>>
>>> This happened to my uncle. He woke up one morning and she was
>>
>> packing
>>
>>> her bags.
>>> I think there are some good women
>>
>> Another person who believes there are good people and there
>> are bad people.
>>
>> out there but they are rare and
>>
>>> taken. I think that most are out for what they can get.
>>
>>
>> Unlike the average poster in a.s.s. of course.
>
> "I know that there is evil and I know that there is good. It's the
in
> between I've never understood" -Ben Folds
Fudgy.
- Michaela
Poppytar
pug wrote:
<snip>
>
> I am willing to suffer the consequences of murder, the real question
> is do I have the energy to go find the hundred or so people who made
> my life a living hell for twelve years more than 20 years ago?
>
> Yeah, perhaps I am a total loon to keep harping on my brutal
> experience in public school, but that experience, in my opinion, has
> made me who I am today. Just as your past experiences have made you
> who you are today.
>
> I won't forgive and forget. I didn't deserve the ridicule and daily
> verbal and physical abuse heaped on me by my classmates (if you think
> I am being overdramatic, let me *tell* you I am NOT). I was quiet, I
> was intelligent, I was artistic, and because of those qualities I was
> harassed daily by my classmates for not being "normal." If I could
> only have been normal...say like Ms Divorcee with an attitude...and
> stopped being so goddamn self-righteous and smart, the abuse would
> have stopped, right?
>
> Fuck 'em, I am a good person, and I am not going grovel, dumb down
> myself and remove my morals just so I can be liked by people who don't
> deserve my company anyway.
This seems to be a common theme in A.S.S., the abuse suffered in high
school. What did they do to you?
I'm shy, but probably one of the best things my parents ever did for me
was put me in a private high school. Yeah, most of the students just
seemed to be walking resumes so that they could get into an Ivy League
school, but at least if you were a weirdo--like I was and still
am--they let you be. Teachers for the most part seemed very forgiving,
so thankfully, I had a rather uneventful high school experience.
So Masha Shamraeff, why does murder seem to be the only solution for
these bullies in your high school years?
helen
Binkerton wrote:
> pug wrote:
> >>On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 04:52:43 GMT, Binkerton <Bink...@dsdjsjdsjalajalsdajdjk.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>Johnston wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>What is the point of getting married or having a long term relationship,
> >>>when you could wake up one morning and find that the woman has left and
> >>>broken off all contact with you?
> >
> >
> >>This happened to my uncle. He woke up one morning and she was packing
> >>her bags.
> >
> >
> > Anyway, I am sure she had a *good* reason (meaning it is the man's
> > fault) for packing her bags.
> >
> >
> >>I think there are some good women out there but they are rare and taken.
> >
> >
> > Or they have given up on society altogether. I am guessing you are
> > looking at .001% of decent women being available, so out of say 300
> > million (population of the US), you have maybe 300,000 decent females
> > to choose from (in reality less because not all females will be of
> > legal age).
> >
> > Yeah, that is a stat I just pulled out of my ass, so what? Sounds good
> > to me, and it jives with my experience, therefore I am sticking with
> > it.
> >
> >
> >>I think that most are out for what they can get.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Men don't help the situation. Men have lost there gestalt.
> >
> >
> > You have that right.
> >
> >
> >>Even the Bad
> >>Boys are politically correct these days. I'm not saying that men should
> >>be abusive or anything like that but we've lost our power as a whole.
> >
> >
> > Yes you have. Thank God for feminism, eh?
> >
> >
> >>We've come to believe the rhetoric that we are "dirty brutes". I see men
> >>quietly slaving away at meaningless jobs and women driving in blinged
> >>out SUVs gabbing on cell phones.
> >
> >
> > Whoa...hold on there sonny boy, you are not allowed to interject a
> > "real" life experience or observation in any post on ASS or any Usenet
> > group for that matter. It is against the rules. Just because *you*
> > have experienced and observed the selfishness of women in your *real*
> > life does not mean it is true.
> >
> > Your observations regarding female behavior are obviously skewed as
> > you are a male, therefore your opinion and comment *will* be ignored
> > or ridiculed, by ASS's resident females and she-males.
> >
> >
> >>It's a woman's world right now.
> >
> >
> > Yes it is. Learn to live in it and "love" it, as women have come a
> > long way to finally "get what is owed them" and hell if they are going
> > to give up their exalted position in society anytime soon.
> >
> > Anyway, why so glum?
> >
> > I know... it must be because *you* are a loser (or should I say
> > "looser") and not getting any pussy...yeah that's it. (see I am
> > learning to be one of the witty gals here on ASS).
> >
> > pug
> >
> > [Still in a bad mood...yup]
> >
> > Guard: Don't fight it son. Confess quickly! If you hold out too long
> > you could jeopardize your credit rating.
> > - "Brazil"
> > ----------------------------------
> > Misanthropes Are People Too (unfortunately)
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~misein-anthropos/
>
>
> to question current popular thought!
> I think most women would call you a traitor even though you are an equal
> oppurtunity dis truster.
no she's not...
self-hatred does that to people.
h
helen
Mxsmanic wrote:
> A Human Being writes:
>
> > Absolutely no one? Why ?
>
> It's impossible to get through life without ever trusting anyone. But
> trust involves risk, and to minimize risk, one must minimize trust.
>
sure...of course.
i trust my family...
a couple of friends.
that's it ~
h
helen
Visi Caulk Mah Pnats wrote:
> pug wrote:
>
> > <solitarys...@ev1.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > ... and that's The Bottom Line, isn't it?
> >
> >
> > > IOW: The ultimate objective in life is to maximize your happiness
> > > potential.
> >
> > others.
> >
> > > be perfectly happy with himself - and his living conditions.
> >
> >
> > > there are people living in the lap of luxury who are absolutely
> > > miserable.
> > >
> > > I propose a definition of "loser" as someone who is unable to
> > > achieve happiness within their own lives, and have a compelling
> > > need to tear down others in order to feel better about themselves.
> >
> > I am honest about my *failings.*
> >
> > only then would my day be truly pleasant.
> >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------
> > > insane. - Solitary Soul
> >
> > I don't hate people for my own failings, I hate people for their
> > failings.
> >
> > pug
> >
> > They couldn't understand why I never talked or socialized with
> > the other kiddies. So I was sent to a psychiatrist at the age
> > of seven. Who says psychotherapy doesn't work?
> > ----------------------------------
> > Misanthropes Are People Too (unfortunately)
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~misein-anthropos/
>
>
> You of all people have nothing to be bitter and shitty about. People
> like you who have so much and they don't fucking appreciate it one bit
> but just want to fucking bitch and whine for attention.
>
>
same as troll-jim-hardtop-dfalz, ad nauseum.
female version.
she withers hard-ons from across the room.
h
helen
Visi Caulk Mah Pnats wrote:
>
> > "Visi Caulk Mah Pnats" <T...@T.com> wrote in
> > news:457cf.v...@news.alt.net:
> >
> > > Too bad you are having a bad day/life
> > >
> > > as I'm having a great one myself.
> >
> > shit.
>
> It's fun to me or I wouldn't be doing it all these years.
>
> --
> My imaginary account of being in Oz
> http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/
fer sure...
i get up, bathrobe,
coffee, breakfast, internet, tan, swim, play...
later; maybe go out, maybe stay in.
ahhh summer.
0 stress.
h
helen
Johnston wrote:
> Also, a lot of the horror stories I hear are on perfectly sensible
> forums
yes...your life is a horror story
h
helen
Johnston wrote:
> > Yes we want much more than sex from a relationship. We want a companion
> > and a friend.
>
> Then women complain that he is "too clingy".
no, no ... that's not 'clingy'.
clingy is when he has no life ~ but >>>you<<<
& he cuts off your oxygen.
'clingy' is going over you w/ a magnifying glass because you went to
the mall.
'clingy' is obsessive compulsive attachment out of hysterical
need & sense of inferiority..
h
helen
pug wrote:
> >On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:01:16 -0500, Solitary Soul <solitarys...@ev1.net> wrote:
>
> >>Bullshit you pathetic old hag (yeah, I am one too, so I can say it).
> >>You don't know jack shit about my life or the hell I went through for
> >>twelve goddamn years with retarded people such as yourself who have
> >>nothing better to do than tell me what a loser and piece of shit I
> >>*am* because I won't grovel at your feet.
> >
> >What makes you think that Pnats wants you to "grovel at [her] feet?"
>
> There really is no point and me getting into a psychological
> conversation with you because you will just come back and state I am
> wrong, I can't *feel* that way, and litany me with more questions that
> I will answer and then you will state my answers are wrong and I can't
> *feel* that way.
>
> Bah...but since you asked...
>
> Ms. Divorcee with an attitude (regardless of what she may say) in my
> *opinion* is a typical female, and yes human, who needs constant
> verification that she is OK, that she isn't the crazy one. I believe
> like all humans, she wants people to "like" her, regardless of how
> much she may dislike or hate someone. If someone states an opinion
> that she doesn't like (perhaps it comes too close to home, perhaps
> not), it is out with the typical "you are such a whiner" comment.
did you try stamping your feet & screaming?
> Nothing is ever serious with her. Everything is a big fucking game,
> literally.
oooo...she so mean!
> Hey I am all for humor and games,
yeah...the "game" is obvioso ...
> but somedays one has to seriously
> address a topic, especially if one wants to initiate change in this
> world.
what fucking "topic?"
> >Is Pnats putting you through hell?
>
> Yes. Her and every other typical brain dead female is putting me
> through hell. Females give females a bad name. I will call a spade a
> spade, and it is time others do the same.
here it comes...
> Yes I am crazy, I don't care, because in reality I *am* crazy, crazy
> to still be kicking around on this planet.
existential question - 1st year philosophy
> >>It is people like you, who I ignored and "let" make fun of me for
> >>years and years, because I didn't want to drop to your base level.
> >>Well no more. I will tell it like it is, and if you have a problem
> >>with that tough shit.
> >>
> >>What would make my life happy is to put a bullet in the head of each
> >>and everyone of the assholes that felt it was their right (because it
> >>made them happy and it was oh so funny) to make my life a living hell
> >>for twelve years, so much so by the time I was 16 years old I was down
> >>in the basement with a razor in my hands ready to slit my wrists.
> >
> >If you're not willing to suffer the consequences of murder, then what
> >are you going to do about the "assholes" that made your life so miserable?
>
> I am willing to suffer the consequences of murder, the real question
> is do I have the energy to go find the hundred or so people who made
> my life a living hell for twelve years more than 20 years ago?
what a drama queen...
> Yeah, perhaps I am a total loon
{applause}
> to keep harping on my brutal
> experience in public school, but that experience, in my opinion, has
> made me who I am today. Just as your past experiences have made you
> who you are today.
were you gang raped by hung black guys? did they...{sigh}...make you do
bad things?
> I won't forgive and forget.
i guess not!
> I didn't deserve the ridicule and daily
> verbal and physical abuse heaped on me by my classmates (if you think
> I am being overdramatic, let me *tell* you I am NOT).
{giggle}
> I was quiet, I
> was intelligent, I was artistic, and because of those qualities I was
> harassed daily by my classmates for not being "normal."
me too
> If I could
> only have been normal...say like Ms Divorcee with an attitude...and
> stopped being so goddamn self-righteous and smart, the abuse would
> have stopped, right?
yes... they abused you because...you...were...{chortle}...sosmart!
rotflmao!
> Fuck 'em, I am a good person,
no you're not - you're a total bitch...
> and I am not going grovel, dumb down
> myself and remove my morals
you want to kill all of humanit...but...you have 'morals' ~ whaaaaaa?
> just so I can be liked by people who don't
> deserve my company anyway.
we don't...we don't deserve you.
> >>If I wasn't such a goddamn coward I should have done it then.
> >>
> >>And yes, I am being dramatic yet serious at the same time.
> >>
> >>>People
> >>>like you who have so much and they don't fucking appreciate it one bit
> >>>but just want to fucking bitch and whine for attention.
> >>
> >>What exactly do I have Ms. Know it all?
> >
> >What do you NOT have that you want?
>
> Let's see, I will be 40 years old in August, I live with my mom,
> taking care of her from a stroke over ten years ago. I work a
> part-time shitty job where I am earning the same amount of money I did
> in 1992. I have no health insurance. I have never been married, I have
> no kids. I do not have any local friends (yeah I know, with my
> attitude, why would I expect to have any). I do not have a boyfriend,
> I have been celibate for over two years. I have worked 20 lower middle
> class crappy jobs in 22 years (doing the jobs Americans won't do), all
> having nothing to do with my supposed college degree. Although I am
> healthy enough for a 40 year old, I have this slight genetic AVM brain
> problem in my family, which may explain much of my psychosis.
what can i add?
> I want a home of my own. I want a creative job (it doesn't have to pay
> a lot of money). I want intellectual stimulation from society. I want
> a lifelong relationship with a man, a man who is intellectually
> stimulating, a man who is masculine, a man who will let *me* take care
> of him in the old fashion "Leave it to Beaver" June Cleaver way. (yeah
> start the flames a throwing)
{sob...} that's bootiful. i want to be june cleaver [?] too, whoever
she is...waaahhhhhh!!!!
> I want to start living and not just existing.
waaaaaahhhhh....me too...i want my mommy!!!
> >> Have you ever met me in
> >>person? You and the others who hate my opinions and "whining" on this
> >>group and other groups can take your "hatred" and shove it up your
> >>sorry ass.
> >
> >Aren't they playing the game by your rules?
>
> And what are my rules? Oh yeah, to hate everyone. No, it is OK for
> them to hate me for hating everyone, but they are *not* haters, doncha
> know.
>
> pug
i don't hate you - i think you're funny. and you had me going w/ that
june cleaver stuff...i looked it up!
> "It can only be supplanted by a better state of things when woman considers
> that the highest condition to which she, as a woman, can attain is that
> of maidenhood - a state which she now regards as one of shame and disgrace."
>
> "The Kreutzer Sonata" Leo Tolstoy 1891
yeah...but leo had ... "problems".
h
LivinLaVidaHaga
Solitary Soul wrote:
> I propose a definition of "loser" as someone who is unable to achieve
> happiness within their own lives, and have a compelling need to tear down
> others in order to feel better about themselves.
Youve just descibed 75% of the US population.
LivinLaVidaHaga
Solitary Soul wrote:
> >Says the attention whore that contributes mostly pointless posts on the
> >minutiae of her vapid existence. Like anyone here gives a fuck.
>
> Have you looked in a mirror lately?
LOL- i must admit, i enjoy your posts SS.
But,truth is,my posts are raely as self indulgent or pointless as
Pnats,or even worse,the "so attention starved i must get it on usenet"
hermaphrodite.
>
> >Maybe its time to move on. And take the stupid filthy hermaphrodite
> >with ya!
>
> Why do you let them bother you so much?
I dont understand why they are here, they contribute almost nothing of
substance. Very little of their clucking has anything to do with
relavent topics.
Would you like me to reference the archives?
For example look at the hermaphrodites recent sexually suggestive post
about the ladies locker room. What does this contribute? Does anyone
even believe that the heshe is allowed in womans locker rooms?
LivinLaVidaHaga
helen wrote:
>
> same as troll-jim-hardtop-dfalz, ad nauseum.
> female version.
> she withers hard-ons from across the room.
Is that your own personal experience? She withers your hard-on?