(OT) Math Anxiety
Animeg3282
beginning test panic is bad, but even worse is the panic when everyone else is
getting up out of their seats and it just drives me nuts. But unfortunately, I
don't think they can give you drugs for that
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mickey
> I'd do much better on tests invovling math if I didn't get so nervous. The
> beginning test panic is bad, but even worse is the panic when everyone else is
> getting up out of their seats and it just drives me nuts. But unfortunately, I
> don't think they can give you drugs for that
Benzos would help with that.
-M
Animeg3282
>Benzos would help with that.
But I don't think they give you addictive drugs just because you're nervous
over that
The Babaloughesian
"Animeg3282" <anime...@aol.compelsia> wrote in message
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> I'd do much better on tests invovling math if I didn't get so nervous. The
> beginning test panic is bad, but even worse is the panic when everyone
else is
> getting up out of their seats and it just drives me nuts. But
unfortunately, I
> don't think they can give you drugs for that
Hm. I'm pretty bad with math, too. I guess it doesn't seem to rise to the
level of an anxiety disorder you can get medication for. During the spring
term last year, what I did for my math tests was avoid sleeping the night
before. That puts me into a state similar to the descriptions I've read of
being on drugs. I'm temporarily completely free of anxiety when I do that.
However that may not be a good idea if you're not also sleep deprived during
class, because it's easier to remember the material when you're in the same
mental state as you were in when you first learned it.
Animeg3282
>Hm. I'm pretty bad with math, too. I guess it doesn't seem to rise to the
>level of an anxiety disorder you can get medication for. During the spring
>term last year, what I did for my math tests was avoid sleeping the night
>before. That puts me into a state
>similar to the descriptions I've read of
>being on drugs. I'm temporarily completely free of anxiety when I do that.
>However that may not be a good idea if you're not also sleep deprived during
>
>class, because it's easier to remember the material when you're in the same
>mental state as you were in when you first learned it.
Ah, I must sleep or my mental health detroiorates. I'm extremely delicate on
this point, and wish to avoid hurting innocents. I usually sleep from about 12
to 8, which is an ok amount of sleep. I wake up at 8 to harness my peak mental
energy level. I'm slightly more intelligent in the morning than I am at night.
MCMLXVI
> I'd do much better on tests invovling math if I didn't get so nervous. The
> beginning test panic is bad, but even worse is the panic when everyone else is
> getting up out of their seats and it just drives me nuts. But unfortunately, I
> don't think they can give you drugs for that
Ah! If were only as simple as telling the difference between Euclid and
Euler!
Animeg3282
>Ah! If were only as simple as telling the difference between Euclid and
>Euler!
I can't tell that either.
Animeg3282
>I've got news for you - they're the ones doing poorly. When you don't know
>the answer, you haven't got any reason to stay. Scrawling down some BS
>doesn't take much time. The more you know about a subjet the more you write,
>explain, and justify. The more I knew, the longer I took, the only exception
>was some functional programming class where I did the exam in about 20
>minutes and got some mad mark like 97% for it!
>
Everyone did great on the chem quiz but me, but I'm sure there were some shit
scrawlers. Also, when I do good on tests, I do them fast.
Pumpkinhead
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> "Animeg3282" <anime...@aol.compelsia> wrote in message
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> > beginning test panic is bad, but even worse is the panic when everyone
> > else is getting up out of their seats and it just drives me nuts.
>
> the answer, you haven't got any reason to stay. Scrawling down some BS
> doesn't take much time. The more you know about a subjet the more you write,
> explain, and justify. The more I knew, the longer I took, the only exception
> was some functional programming class where I did the exam in about 20
> minutes and got some mad mark like 97% for it!
I always feel really inferior when I see people leaving the exam with half an hour to
spare. Usually I am writing frantically right up until the last second. I automatically
think that the other students finish sooner because they find it easier.
Animeg3282
>I always feel really inferior when I see people leaving the exam with half an
>hour to
>spare. Usually I am writing frantically right up until the last second. I
>automatically
>think that the other students finish sooner because they find it easier.
>
Yea, I feel really dumb too, and the problem is that most people IME do find it
easier.
Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability
"Animeg3282" <anime...@aol.compelsia> wrote in message
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> beginning test panic is bad, but even worse is the panic when everyone
else is
> getting up out of their seats and it just drives me nuts. But
unfortunately, I
> don't think they can give you drugs for that
> --
Relaxation techniques actually help some ppl. And then there's meds, of
course.
Animeg3282
>Most colleges here always seem to have courses on dealing with test anxiety.
>Relaxation techniques actually help some ppl. And then there's meds, of
>course.
It's a more general anxiety now. I can barely study. And if I was to get meds,
how to get them?
google pnats
porcupine-dodo from the 7.56391th dimension?" <vog...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"Animeg3282" <anime...@aol.compelsia> wrote in message
>news:20030927164532...@mb-m12.aol.com...
>> I'd do much better on tests invovling math if I didn't get so nervous. The
>> beginning test panic is bad, but even worse is the panic when everyone
>> else is getting up out of their seats and it just drives me nuts.
>
>I've got news for you - they're the ones doing poorly. When you don't know
>the answer, you haven't got any reason to stay. Scrawling down some BS
>doesn't take much time. The more you know about a subjet the more you write,
>explain, and justify. The more I knew, the longer I took, the only exception
>was some functional programming class where I did the exam in about 20
>minutes and got some mad mark like 97% for it!
>
>
Yep, I agree! I hace learned to pay no attention to what anyone else is doing
during a test. Like when you enter the classroom on test day adn there are
already people there andt hey are discussing the test but they don't knmow what
the hell they are talking about. I immediately leave the room and do not come
back until it is actually time to take the test. I go somwhere quiet without
distraction and study.
google pnats
>I'd do much better on tests invovling math if I didn't get so nervous. The
>beginning test panic is bad, but even worse is the panic when everyone else is
>getting up out of their seats and it just drives me nuts. But unfortunately, I
>don't think they can give you drugs for that
Learn to pay no attention at all to your classmates during an exam.
google pnats
>eerie said
>
>>Most colleges here always seem to have courses on dealing with test anxiety.
>>Relaxation techniques actually help some ppl. And then there's meds, of
>>course.
>
>It's a more general anxiety now. I can barely study. And if I was to get meds,
>how to get them?
go to the campus clinic
Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability
"Animeg3282" <anime...@aol.compelsia> wrote in message
> eerie said
>
> >Most colleges here always seem to have courses on dealing with test
anxiety.
> >Relaxation techniques actually help some ppl. And then there's meds, of
> >course.
>
> It's a more general anxiety now. I can barely study. And if I was to get
meds,
> how to get them?
> --
ways on A.S.S., I just can't believe you haven't gleamed some useful
information from this newsgroup. Anyhoo. Start with your university's
homepage, for starters, and then check out municipal/county health and
mental health services...the yellow pages...shop around. Most governents
and colleges have websites and such. There's some anxiety related websites
run by national organizations that might have useful information. It's
everywhere.
Animeg3282
>Are you serious? These topics have been covered so many times and so many
>ways on A.S.S., I just can't believe you haven't gleamed some useful
>information from this newsgroup. Anyhoo. Start with your university's
>homepage, for starters, and then check out municipal/county health and
>mental health services...the yellow pages...shop around. Most governents
>and colleges have websites and such. There's some anxiety related websites
>run by national organizations that might have useful information. It's
>everywhere.
Im just worried, isn't it unethical to exagerate my symptoms? I only have a few
anxiety attacks like occasionally, so maybe it's not bad enough, you know?
mickey
>>Are you serious? These topics have been covered so many times and so many
>>ways on A.S.S., I just can't believe you haven't gleamed some useful
>>information from this newsgroup. Anyhoo. Start with your university's
>>homepage, for starters, and then check out municipal/county health and
>>mental health services...the yellow pages...shop around. Most governents
>>and colleges have websites and such. There's some anxiety related websites
>>run by national organizations that might have useful information. It's
>>everywhere.
>
>
> Im just worried, isn't it unethical to exagerate my symptoms? I only have a few
> anxiety attacks like occasionally, so maybe it's not bad enough, you know?
>
Let the doctor decide that.
-M
Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability
"Animeg3282" <anime...@aol.compelsia> wrote in message
> >
> >Are you serious? These topics have been covered so many times and so
many
> >ways on A.S.S., I just can't believe you haven't gleamed some useful
> >information from this newsgroup. Anyhoo. Start with your university's
> >homepage, for starters, and then check out municipal/county health and
> >mental health services...the yellow pages...shop around. Most governents
> >and colleges have websites and such. There's some anxiety related
websites
> >run by national organizations that might have useful information. It's
> >everywhere.
>
> Im just worried, isn't it unethical to exagerate my symptoms? I only have
a few
> anxiety attacks like occasionally, so maybe it's not bad enough, you know?
>
> --
someone who is.
MCMLXVI
[Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability wrote:]
>>Are you serious? These topics have been covered so many times and so many
>>information from this newsgroup. Anyhoo. Start with your university's
>>homepage, for starters, and then check out municipal/county health and
>>and colleges have websites and such. There's some anxiety related websites
>>run by national organizations that might have useful information. It's
>>everywhere.
> Im just worried, isn't it unethical to exagerate my symptoms? I only have a few
> anxiety attacks like occasionally, so maybe it's not bad enough, you know?
Those programs typically are for many levels of anxiety, not just the
basket cases, and not excluding those who are just-about/
on-the-threshold-of (relative) serenity.
Victor
> beginning test panic is bad, but even worse is the panic when everyone
else is
> getting up out of their seats and it just drives me nuts. But
unfortunately, I
> don't think they can give you drugs for that
> --
I remember my yr 12 exams where my brain completely crapped out on me and I
went completely blank.
God knows how I passed.
MCMLXVI
> "MCMLXVI" <mar...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
>>Ah! If were only as simple as telling the difference between Euclid and
>>Euler!
>
oy-yoy-yoy! I fable. Yubbou knubbow?
Lonely God
[:>
[:> *Animeg3282*
[:> > The beginning test panic is bad, but even worse is the panic when
[:> > everyone else is getting up out of their seats and it just drives
{:> > me nuts.
[:>
[:> *E-s uz p-d ft 7.56391th d* (aka Eldo) wrote:
[:> I've got news for you - they're the ones doing poorly. When you don't
{:> know the answer, you haven't got any reason to stay. Scrawling down
{:> some BS doesn't take much time. The more you know about a subject the
{:> more you write, explain, and justify. The more I knew, the longer I
{:> took, the only exception was some functional programming class where
{:> I did the exam in about 20 min. and got some mad mark like 97 percent!
O_o
You just took the words out of my mouth dude... I've always wondered
whether those people who leave early after a test are different from those
who stay the full allotted time.
I work slowly so I usually take up all of the class time or just 10
minutes before the bell rings. My grades are B to B+ but I have gotten a
few Ds and Fs before.
[:
[:*Pumkinhead*
[:I always feel really inferior when I see people leaving the exam with
[:half an hour to spare. Usually I am writing frantically right up until
[:the last second. I automatically think that the other students finish
[:sooner because they find it easier.
>
>*Animeg*
>Yea, I feel really dumb too, and the problem is that most people I.M.E.
>do find it easier.
That's the riddle isn't it? It drives me up the wall. Do "early-leavers"
actually know their stuff, or did they cheat before class and repeat
everything down in a memory dump?
...
Love is a burning thing
And it makes a fiery ring
Bound by wild desire
I fell into a ring of fire
I fell into a burning ring of fire
I went down, down, down
and the flames went higher
and it burns, burns, burns
that ring of fire, that ring of fire
-Johnny Cash, "Ring of Fire"
Animeg3282
>How come?
>
They are tests using reading. Ho ho ho!
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Mxsmanic
> I'd do much better on tests invovling math if I didn't get so nervous. The
> beginning test panic is bad, but even worse is the panic when everyone else is
> getting up out of their seats and it just drives me nuts. But unfortunately, I
> don't think they can give you drugs for that
I hate math, even though I've shown an aptitude for it.
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
Mxsmanic
> Hmm, that's not even close to how you pronounce Euler :)
The usual pronunciation is "oiler."
MCMLXVI
dimension? wrote:
> "MCMLXVI" <mar...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Me no! Me tu stooped. :[ :-[
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> micky said
>
>>Benzos would help with that.
>
>
> But I don't think they give you addictive drugs just because you're nervous
> over that
Oh yes they do. But beta blockers might be the better idea as they don't
impair cognitive performance as much as benzos (close to not at all,
really).
None
dimension? wrote:
> "MCMLXVI" <mar...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
>>Ah! If were only as simple as telling the difference between Euclid and
>>Euler!
>
>
> Extra marks for pronouncing Euler correctly! :)
>
Easy. Seeing that he was even from Switzerland ;-)
Animeg3282
>O_o
>You just took the words out of my mouth dude... I've always wondered
>whether those people who leave early after a test are different from those
>who stay the full allotted time.
>
I'm an early leaver, except for in math.
>I work slowly so I usually take up all of the class time or just 10
>minutes before the bell rings. My grades are B to B+ but I have gotten a
>few Ds and Fs before.
I don't think I've ever gotten an F in anything.
>
>That's the riddle isn't it? It drives me up the wall. Do "early-leavers"
>actually know their stuff, or did they cheat before class and repeat
>everything down in a memory dump?
I have no clue.
Snowboarder
>
> Easy. Seeing that he was even from Switzerland ;-)
Talking about that country, do you fancy a beer ?
Snowboarder
See header.
None
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William P
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>
> "MCMLXVI" <mar...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> Ah! If were only as simple as telling the difference between Euclid and
>> Euler!
>
> Extra marks for pronouncing Euler correctly! :)
If you were a crueler jeweller I'd buy you a ruler, Beuller.
RK
>
>"google pnats" <soozi...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 23:02:29 +0100, "Esperanto-speaking undead zombie
>> porcupine-dodo from the 7.56391th dimension?" <vog...@btinternet.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I've got news for you - they're the ones doing poorly. When you don't
>> > know the answer, you haven't got any reason to stay. Scrawling down
>> > some BS doesn't take much time. The more you know about a subjet
>> > the more you write, explain, and justify. The more I knew, the longer
>> > I took, the only exception was some functional programming class
>> > where I did the exam in about 20 minutes and got some mad mark
>> > like 97% for it!
>>
>> Yep, I agree! I hace learned to pay no attention to what anyone else is
>> doing during a test. Like when you enter the classroom on test day adn
>> there are already people there andt hey are discussing the test but they
>> don't knmow what the hell they are talking about. I immediately leave the
>> room and do not come back until it is actually time to take the test. I go
>> somwhere quiet without distraction and study.
>
>Ha, that bit bugs me too, but only because it's a social-space. Once we're
>let in and we sit at our desks I'm ok.
I actually like it (unless the people don't know what they're talking
about, as in ms. pants' class) -- it's an excuse to actually talk
about something that I know about, and a little last-minute going over
questions with others usually helps me to feel a bit more prepared.
>Oh, I know you're not allowed to open the paper before the exam starts, but
>you should stare really hard at it anyway. You can usually make out the
>first few questions faintly through the paper :)
LOL -- you like to make every second count, huh?
Anyway, I agree about the time thing. I tend to take a very long time,
especially with math-type tests, even though I know what I'm doing.
One of my problems is that I don't trust myself to remember theorems
correctly, so I'll sit there and derive them again, *just in case*
(usually ends up being a complete waste of time). Also, there will
usually be more than one way to do a problem, and if I have time, I'll
do it both ways, *just in case*... I also try to show every bit of
work, so I can get as much partial credit as possible, should the
final answer be wrong.
-- RK
RK
<soozi...@nospam.com> wrote:
>On 27 Sep 2003 20:45:32 GMT, anime...@aol.compelsia (Animeg3282) wrote:
>
>>I'd do much better on tests invovling math if I didn't get so nervous. The
>>beginning test panic is bad, but even worse is the panic when everyone else is
>>getting up out of their seats and it just drives me nuts. But unfortunately, I
>>don't think they can give you drugs for that
>
>Learn to pay no attention at all to your classmates during an exam.
Yeah, ignore them. Besides, the fact that they're getting up doesn't
mean anything. Sometimes the best students take the longest. Try to
relax and take all the time that you're allowed.
Just out of curiosity, what type of math class are you taking?
-- RK
RK
wrote:
>>
>>Are you serious? These topics have been covered so many times and so many
>>ways on A.S.S., I just can't believe you haven't gleamed some useful
>>information from this newsgroup. Anyhoo. Start with your university's
>>homepage, for starters, and then check out municipal/county health and
>>mental health services...the yellow pages...shop around. Most governents
>>and colleges have websites and such. There's some anxiety related websites
>>run by national organizations that might have useful information. It's
>>everywhere.
>
>Im just worried, isn't it unethical to exagerate my symptoms? I only have a few
>anxiety attacks like occasionally, so maybe it's not bad enough, you know?
I don't see how it could be "unethical", since the only one that could
end up being harmed is you... so just be careful. I try to avoid drugs
as much as possible, but if you think it's serious enough to warrant
them, discuss it with a doctor and see what he/she tells you.
I would suggest more than one doctor, actually. Too many doctors these
days are so freakin' quick to prescribe drugs you don't need.
-- RK
Animeg3282
>I don't see how it could be "unethical", since the only one that could
>end up being harmed is you... so just be careful. I try to avoid drugs
>as much as possible, but if you think it's serious enough to warrant
>them, discuss it with a doctor and see what he/she tells you.
>
>I would suggest more than one doctor, actually. Too many doctors these
>days are so freakin' quick to prescribe drugs you don't need.
Well, I don't want to be harmed. I'm a bit worried about that, maybe it's not
safe and all.
Animeg3282
>Yeah, ignore them. Besides, the fact that they're getting up doesn't
>mean anything. Sometimes the best students take the longest. Try to
>relax and take all the time that you're allowed.
>
Taking a long time on a test is not what I do in the courses I am good at.
>
>Just out of curiosity, what type of math class are you taking?
Chemistry. Ho ho ho
Snowboarder
None wrote:
Good. I meant : what about *having* a drink one of these days ?
Or were you just being sarcastic ?
None
>
>> Coop Bio Bier.
> Good. I meant : what about *having* a drink one of these days ?
Aaaah. I thought you were asking me for my favorite beer ;-).
But sure, I would. Somewhere in Zurich area would be good, though.
> Or were you just being sarcastic
No, I really love that beer ;-)
toadstool pants
>rk said
>
>>Yeah, ignore them. Besides, the fact that they're getting up doesn't
>>mean anything. Sometimes the best students take the longest. Try to
>>relax and take all the time that you're allowed.
>>
>
>Taking a long time on a test is not what I do in the courses I am good at.
>>
>>Just out of curiosity, what type of math class are you taking?
>
>Chemistry. Ho ho ho
what kind of chemistry?
Snowboarder
None wrote:
> But sure, I would. Somewhere in Zurich area would be good, though.
too bad, I know a perfect spot on the Sustenpass.
Anyway, I don't care where, since I have time and a general rail pass.
As for time, I'm back in town Thu. morning and afternoon. And then
probably away for a long week-end. Mail me.
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I will. Usual privacy disclaimers will apply of course.
None
>
>
> None wrote:
>
>> But sure, I would. Somewhere in Zurich area would be good, though.
>
>
> too bad, I know a perfect spot on the Sustenpass.
That will be the first one I'll hit once I get my BMW R1150GS
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> "William P" <will(dot)p...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Way, way, off! And after mxsmaniac posted the right answer too!
A taller awler might holler if you ball'er?
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Lonely God
the 7.56391th dimension? wrote:
[:> > >
[:> > > *E-s uz p-d ft 7.56391th d* (aka Eldo) wrote:
[:
[:Couldn't bring yourself to type it all out, eh, Silent Observer? ;D
*fwap* You chose the ten word handle, not me!
[:> O_o
[:> You just took the words out of my mouth dude... I've always wondered
[:> whether those people who leave early after a test are different from
[:> those who stay the full allotted time.
[:
[:Well, they're not supra-dimensional if that's what you mean ;)
But are they intellectually superior?
[:
[:> I work slowly so I usually take up all of the class time or just 10
[:> minutes before the bell rings.
[:
[:Good idea, plan to use the full time allowance. Use the slack time at the
[:end to look over your work for errors or to return to tricky questions which
[:you should leave for last.
[:
[:> That's the riddle isn't it? It drives me up the wall. Do "early-leavers"
[:> actually know their stuff
[:
[:They don't. Dunno what it was like at your educational establishment,
[:but at my uni we only had a small window of time where we could leave.
[:Trying to answer the questions satisfactorily in time for that window
[:when you know the subject is VERY hard!
In my college (US) the prof never says "you can only leave after
such-and-such time." If you're done with the exam, you can go.
How do British universities manage that leaving thing? Isn't it
counterproductive in a way to limit?
...
Love is a burning thing
And it makes a fiery ring
Bound by wild desire
I fell into a ring of fire
I fell into a burning ring of fire
I went down, down, down
and the flames went higher
and it burns, burns, burns
that ring of fire, that ring of fire
-Johnny Cash, "Ring of Fire"
RK
> rk said
>
> >Yeah, ignore them. Besides, the fact that they're getting up doesn't
> >mean anything. Sometimes the best students take the longest. Try to
> >relax and take all the time that you're allowed.
> >
>
> Taking a long time on a test is not what I do in the courses I am good at.
It depends on the type of test for me. I will take a while on
math-type stuff, generally.
> >
> >Just out of curiosity, what type of math class are you taking?
>
> Chemistry. Ho ho ho
I never took chemistry in college -- I think I would have if physics
hadn't been required for us. I enjoyed high school chemistry, though.
OK, let me give you an example to illustrate how much of a geek I can
be: I enjoyed solving chemical equations so much I decided it would be
fun to teach my little brother how to do them. Calculating backwards,
I now realize that my brother was 8 years old at the time!! I would
give him simple equations to solve and then "grade" them.
-- RK
None
> I never took chemistry in college -- I think I would have if physics
> hadn't been required for us. I enjoyed high school chemistry, though.
> OK, let me give you an example to illustrate how much of a geek I can
> be: I enjoyed solving chemical equations so much I decided it would be
> fun to teach my little brother how to do them. Calculating backwards,
> I now realize that my brother was 8 years old at the time!! I would
> give him simple equations to solve and then "grade" them.
I always found lab stuff to be the most fun of chemistry. Mix two
substances shout Fire in the Hole an take cover. Muahaha.
RK
I generally enjoyed lab, but I didn't like the fire-related stuff. I'm
such a scaredy-cat. Whenever we had to light matches, I'd pretend to
be having trouble with it and say to my lab partner, "Here, why don't
you try," when the truth is I was never trying to get the match to
light in the first place.
-- RK
RK
> "RK" <a@a.b> wrote in message
> news:dn9fnv0f72u3734ma...@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:08:44 +0100, "Esperanto-speaking undead zombie
> > porcupine-dodo from the 7.56391th dimension?" <vog...@btinternet.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I actually like it (unless the people don't know what they're talking
> > about, as in ms. pants' class) -- it's an excuse to actually talk
> > about something that I know about, and a little last-minute going over
> > questions with others usually helps me to feel a bit more prepared.
>
> by people chatting away to each other, blergh.
Oh yeah, I'd be miserable in that situation, too. I'm thinking more
along the lines of a small group. I'm also thinking about graduate
school, where you kind of get to know everybody, so they will
recognize you and talk to you even if you don't.
> > > Oh, I know you're not allowed to open the paper before the exam
> > > starts, but you should stare really hard at it anyway. You can
> > > usually make out the first few questions faintly through the paper :)
> >
> > LOL -- you like to make every second count, huh?
>
> It saves a lot of time during the exam because...oh, you've made me remember
> something I find odd in exams. What's with the people who start writing
> almost immediately after it starts? I take a good few minutes to read all
> the questions so I can start on the easiest first and to plan what I'm going
> to write. My exams are "answer 4 of 5 questions" style, so I need to read
> all the questions to figure which one I don't want to answer.
>
> So, that's why I try to read the 1st question thru the cover paper, I can
> answer it in my head in the ten minutes before the exam starts :)
Ten minutes? Most of my profs. will hand it out, say a few words, and
then it starts. Ten min. is a long time.
> > Anyway, I agree about the time thing. I tend to take a very long time,
> > especially with math-type tests, even though I know what I'm doing.
> > One of my problems is that I don't trust myself to remember theorems
> > correctly, so I'll sit there and derive them again, *just in case*
>
> I wizz thru the maths papers :) Only exception was a formal specification
> class I had where I was only able to do half the paper in the allotted time
> (bad flu put me in slow-motion), still got a good mark for it.
>
> > (usually ends up being a complete waste of time). Also, there will
> > usually be more than one way to do a problem, and if I have time, I'll
> > do it both ways, *just in case*...
>
> Sometimes they'll take the first attempt at the answer and ignore the others
> tho.
No, I mean I do it more than one way for myself, for verification
purposes.
> > I also try to show every bit of work, so I can get as much partial
> > credit as possible, should the final answer be wrong.
>
> Yup, very important on maths papers. You can show too little work, but not
> too much.
I did take one stupid physics class in which *everything* was multiple
choice, NO partial credit. All the classes in the department were this
way. Our professor tried to change things for us, but he was the "new
guy" and didn't have much clout. Most of the others in the class were
engineers, and the professor who seemed to be controlling things had
the philosophy that "there's no partial credit in real life". Um, yes
there is. In real life, you test things over and over again before
using them. If you build a bridge, and it fails the test, you fix it.
That's "partial credit", in that you lose some time and money, but you
don't kill people trying to go over the bridge. Also, in real life,
you can consult with other people. Now it's true that in some cases,
you do almost everything right, but you still get total failure, but
since when is college supposed to train you for real life anyway? It's
not vocational school (and besides, not all of us were engineers in
the first place).
-- RK
None
> I generally enjoyed lab, but I didn't like the fire-related stuff. I'm
> such a scaredy-cat. Whenever we had to light matches, I'd pretend to
> be having trouble with it and say to my lab partner, "Here, why don't
> you try," when the truth is I was never trying to get the match to
> light in the first place.
I like everything that goes like boom ;-)
The Babaloughesian
I've always hated lab work because the teachers required us to work in
groups(or worse, pairs).
Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability
"The Babaloughesian" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> I've always hated lab work because the teachers required us to work in
> groups(or worse, pairs).
>
Even in chemistry?
The Babaloughesian
"Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability"
<Depar...@fKeepingItReal.gov> wrote in message
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Sure. Why would chemistry be a special case? It uses limited resources and
space just like the rest.
Animeg3282
>Even in chemistry?
>
Theytry to make us do that shit too. It's cruel
None
>>I always found lab stuff to be the most fun of chemistry. Mix two
>>substances shout Fire in the Hole an take cover. Muahaha.
> I've always hated lab work because the teachers required us to work in
> groups(or worse, pairs).
Yeah, fortunately, that means there's always someone to blame for the
glass you blew up (actually both of us kept blowing up stuff so that's
just fair).
None
> eerie said
>
>
>>Even in chemistry?
>>
>
>
> Theytry to make us do that shit too. It's cruel
No. Art and music is cruel. And to a lesser extent sports (tho you could
always fake some injury and get away from it, so it isn't as bad as t he
other two).
Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability
It can be annoying if your partners are duds who don't prepare before hand.
What I really hate are group presentations. UGH~!
>
Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability
"Animeg3282" <anime...@aol.compelsia> wrote in message
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> eerie said
>
> >Even in chemistry?
> >
>
> Theytry to make us do that shit too. It's cruel
> --
more fun?
Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability
marching in the marching band. What a tragic waste!
Animeg3282
>No. Art and music is cruel. And to a lesser extent sports (tho you could
>always fake some injury and get away from it, so it isn't as bad as t he
>other two).
You can do art and music alone, because they aren't groups. Sports is cruel
because of its win or you're worthless ethic, and are usually played in groups.
Animeg3282
>Dude, if you can't handle chem, do you think neuroscience is going to be any
>more fun?
I was talking about group lab. I hate working in groups because I don't wish to
worry about my worth as a human being- I want to get some work done. Also, can
I email you/
Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability
"Animeg3282" <anime...@aol.compelsia> wrote in message
> eerie said
>
> >Dude, if you can't handle chem, do you think neuroscience is going to be
any
> >more fun?
>
>
I was talking about group lab. I hate working in groups because I don't
wish to
Oh, well never mind.
>Also, can
> I email you
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> eerie said
>>Even in chemistry?
I lucked out (more or less) in High School Biology. I was in a lab group
that consisted of me and two members of the HS cheerleading squad. I
didn't even mind being the only one in my group with the guts to cut the
fetal pig or the frog.
I don't cut animals up any more -- except on the odd occasion I eat meat.
The Babaloughesian
How the hell did you blow things up in chemistry? I've never heard of that
happening outside of TV shows.
mickey
Throwing a bunch of sodium in a sink with water can do it.
Any reaction that produces gases can produce an explosion if the gases
are confined.
-M
Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability
"mickey" <mi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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chlorine gas, or hydrogen gas, or ....yeah, lots of gases.
The Babaloughesian
No, no, I know how it's physically possible to blow things up in chemistry.
What I mean is that I'm somewhat skeptical that people IRL can be that
careless with stuff repeatedly without being killed or kicked out of the
lab.
mickey
I got a couple of hard slaps from my chem teacher but I don't think that
would happen in the US of A.
-M
The Babaloughesian
Nah, over here the only thing they're likely to slap you with ( in most
states) is a lawsuit, detention, suspension, expulsion, or a fine. But None
presumably wasn't talking about incidents that occured in the US.
RK
Not me -- I needed a lab partner to do all the stuff I was too scared to do!
-- RK
The Babaloughesian
"RK" <coo...@pdq.net> wrote in message
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I'm pretty much frozen with anxiety during labs, as I'm extremely error
prone, so a lab partner is a necessary evil but an evil nonetheless. It
sucks knowing I'm essentially an incompetent, indecisive dead weight who has
to have other people do everything for me like a damn child. I don't know
exactly when it was that I started seeing myself as relatively worthless,
but I'm sure group assignments played a part in it.
Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability
>
> I'm pretty much frozen with anxiety during labs, as I'm extremely error
> prone, so a lab partner is a necessary evil but an evil nonetheless. It
> sucks knowing I'm essentially an incompetent, indecisive dead weight who
has
> to have other people do everything for me like a damn child. I don't know
> exactly when it was that I started seeing myself as relatively worthless,
> but I'm sure group assignments played a part in it.
>
prepared for the labs. Draw a flow chart and whatnot before the lab, says
Capt. Obvious.
>
The Babaloughesian
"Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability"
<Depar...@fKeepingItReal.gov> wrote in message
The way labs were structured in high school generally made that impossible.
But it's not a pressing concern anymore, anyway. I don't currently have any
such courses. I was just reminded of those more difficult labs after making
a fool out of myself earlier today in an embarassingly simple nutrition lab.
Often current failures remind me of past failures and I do a whole downward
spiral of self pity and hopelessness thing. I'm done with that for the
moment.
> Draw a flow chart and whatnot before the lab, says
> Capt. Obvious.
Drawing a blank on what a flow chart is.
RK
Wow, that's pretty bad. Labs weren't that tough for me -- I was mainly
scared of things like working with flame or hot glass. The fear was
mainly a result of the presence of some source of physical danger.
As for group assignments in general, well, whether or not it worked
out really depended on the individuals in the group. I generally liked
groupwork, though, as it was often the closest thing to socialization
I had. One thing I hated about group -- and partner -- projects was
having to *choose* the groups. That was the often the hardest part. I
preferred it when the teacher assigned groups/partners.
-- RK
The Babaloughesian
Ah yes, choosing groups was usually a pretty dreadful experience in high
school, as teachers rarely assigned them. As a result, I'd typically end up
in the "leftovers" group full of slackers or stoners or other assorted
outcasts. Communication within the group would be horrible and we'd barely
manage to hammer out something passable. Once I was grouped with two guys
who were even shyer than I(to the point where one of them had a voice that
couldn't be heard from even a foot away), another with extreme a.d.d. and
emotional problems, and a guy who didn't even speak much English.
It's been better in college, though. Usually there's a paper passed around,
and since usually many of us don't know each other there isn't much of an
informal component or built-in groups. Still, I could feel myself start to
panic last week when I had to sign up for a project in evolutionary psyche
and ended up being the very last person in the room to do so.
RK
It was worst for me in elementary school. At least in high school I
wasn't surrounded by people who disliked me.
>As a result, I'd typically end up
>in the "leftovers" group full of slackers or stoners or other assorted
>outcasts. Communication within the group would be horrible and we'd barely
>manage to hammer out something passable. Once I was grouped with two guys
>who were even shyer than I(to the point where one of them had a voice that
>couldn't be heard from even a foot away), another with extreme a.d.d. and
>emotional problems, and a guy who didn't even speak much English.
>
>It's been better in college, though. Usually there's a paper passed around,
>and since usually many of us don't know each other there isn't much of an
>informal component or built-in groups.
Yeah, it was much better in college. They would usually assign groups
in the college classes I was in. Even when we chose our own
groups/partners, it was OK because there would be plenty of people
around who didn't know anyone else.
>Still, I could feel myself start to
>panic last week when I had to sign up for a project in evolutionary psyche
>and ended up being the very last person in the room to do so.
In elementary school, I would be the one left without a group, and
then I'd have to go to the teacher, who would assign me to a group.
(Or, to put it more accurately -- she would make a group let me join.)
-- RK