What's to help with? Just make sure you set a specific time and place to
meet. If you don't know the area well it might be a good idea to have a walk
around in advance, see if you can find some cafe or nice place where you can
stop for a while.. but as it is a first date try to make it as informal and
light as possible.
Have fun :-)
Thanks Phil.
Honestly it's not a date, but I think it's something very close.
For example, should I touch her....? Should I ask her to see more often,
should I call now and make her a surprise ?
shit, it' long since I had a "date".
>
>
>
Yeah, I think that something where you decide if you actually want to go on
a proper date.. but I would still call it a date ;-)
> For example, should I touch her....?
Perhaps you can try shaking her hand when you first meet her. I wouldn't try
holding her hand or anything yet unless she makes moves in that way.
> Should I ask her to see more often,
If you don't do that there is no point in going out in the first place ;-).
Leave it until just before you leave tho, that way if she says no you only
have to see each for a few seconds more if it goes wrong.
Oh if it's through the day you might want to make up a deadline which you
tell her in advance so there is a defined end to the date. You want to leave
her wanting a second date ;-)
> should I call now and make her a surprise ?
no!
Interesting. I had already read some of that stuff.
Thanks
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:43:30 +0100, "Drakeman" <no
re...@here.com> wrote in post:
>Honestly it's not a date, but I think it's something very
>close.
It's a date. And on New Year's Eve, too. Wow. :-)
>For example, should I touch her....? Should I ask her to see
>more often, should I call now and make her a surprise ?
>shit, it' long since I had a "date".
If you feel like doing those things, then go for it. But don't
do anything that's forced. Or because you think it's expected.
Just be yourself. And have a good time. :-)
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> That's all I can think of now. Good luck.
This is all good advice. I'd also have some talking points ready to bridge
lulls in the conversation.
Some basic ones would be:
What kind of music do you listen to?
What kind of movies do you like?
Do you like to travel? What are some places you've been or would like to
go?
What do you do for fun?
-rainier
Those are good conversation questions because they are not yes/no-answer
questions but open-ended that push the conversation partner to think up an
elaborate response.
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:45:54 -0500, "Rainier"
>...I'd also have some talking points ready to bridge lulls in
>the conversation.
"Talking points"??? This isn't someone giving a lecture or
presentation! It's a date! Geesh!
Rainier! Are you really that out-of-touch with reality?!
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> "Talking points"??? This isn't someone giving a lecture > or
presentation! It's a date! Geesh!
>
> Rainier! Are you really that out-of-touch with reality?!
Before a date I create an outline in my head with several talking points
from which to choose. It apparently works because I'm going out with Rikki
in a few hours AND on New Year's Eve!
-rainier
I think it is you who is out of touch with reality in this instance.
As always, you are generalizing your reality to everyone else. While
you, Sadi, obviously don't need to explicitly make a list in your mind
of possible conversation topics, it isn't in any way far fetched that
this might be a helpful tactic to many people who are likely to post
here.
Hint: In the short amount of time I've been reading this newsgroup the
issue of how one makes small talk has probably come up more than once.
Hint: Many of us don't know how to do small talk.
August Pamplona
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:17:02 -0600, "August Pamplona"
<cosm...@hotmail.com> wrote in post:
>As always, you are generalizing your reality to everyone else.
>While you, Sadi, obviously don't need to explicitly make a
>list in your mind of possible conversation topics, it isn't
>in any way far fetched that this might be a helpful tactic to
>many people who are likely to post here.
The problem with that is that people -- like life -- will throw
you a curve ball. Often.
Someone like Rainier, who needs to rehearse every little smile,
wink and line -- cannot handle it if the situation strays from
what he's "prepared". His scripts only go up to what? Six hours
at a time, max, he said?
Well guess what?! There's no dress rehearsal for life. It's all
improv.
Read all the books you want; watch TV, movies, etc. Even talk
to others who've "been there". But it's not the same thing as
actually LIVING IT, yourself.
As I've said before, all Rainier needs is some self-confidence.
But he's NOT going to get it if he thinks he needs a script for
a date. He'll be so worried about forgetting his lines, he
won't have time to enjoy the date. And neither will the woman.
Nobody is *born* confident. You LEARN it. And the only way to
learn it is to experience life. With all its ups and downs.
Highs and lows. Good days and bad days.
If you make a little mistake, oh well -- tomorrow's another
day. We're all human.
Just live.
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I wasn't referring to Rainier's "scripts", I was referring to his
suggestion that a list of possible subjects be mentally prepared in
advance. He wrote:
What kind of music do you listen to?
What kind of movies do you like?
Do you like to travel? What are some places
you've been or would like to go?
What do you do for fun?
This is not scripting in the same sense as the various schemes he
delights in relating to the newsgroup, it is a list of possible
conversation starters. You don't need to do this because saying some
stuff about the weather (or whatever) comes naturally to you.
>
> Well guess what?! There's no dress rehearsal for life. It's all
> improv.
>
> Read all the books you want; watch TV, movies, etc. Even talk
> to others who've "been there". But it's not the same thing as
> actually LIVING IT, yourself.
>
> As I've said before, all Rainier needs is some self-confidence.
> But he's NOT going to get it if he thinks he needs a script for
> a date. He'll be so worried about forgetting his lines, he
> won't have time to enjoy the date. And neither will the woman.
>
> Nobody is *born* confident. You LEARN it. And the only way to
> learn it is to experience life. With all its ups and downs.
> Highs and lows. Good days and bad days.
>
> If you make a little mistake, oh well -- tomorrow's another
> day. We're all human.
>
> Just live.
"Just live" for many means not knowing what to say. For this reason
a suggested list of topics may not be inappropriate (apparently, it
works for Rainier).
> Yesterday evening I chatted on the internet with a girl. I had already chat
> with her before.
> I said that on tomorrow evening I will go for a walk in the center of a town
> not far fom me and not far from her.
> She said she has nothing special to do, and that she would like to do the
> same.
Good for you, Drakeman!
> We talked on the phone.
> She should call tomorrow morning, I am nearly in panic (I joke but to make
> you understand), what I have to do now, in order not to waste everything.
> It will be more than 2 years I don't go out with a girl.
> Help.
Dress nice, bathe, and let her choose what to do. Talk with her about
yourself to make a good impression, shaking hands when you first meet is
okay, if you get to kissing -- lucky man! -- ask permission.
Are you in Germany?
--
"Ships that pass in the night, and speak to each
other in passing, only a signal shown and a distant
voice in the darkness. So on the ocean of life, we
pass and speak to one another, only a look and a
voice, then darkness again and silence."
- Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, _Tales of a Wayside Inn_ (1963)
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I go. Bye bye-
"August Pamplona" <cosm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:33k61hF...@individual.net...
I'm happy for you.
>
> -rainier
>
>
>
>
Can I have a part in your film ? :)
>
Tell you what folks, if you pay my way, I'll fly around the friggin world
and interview every single one of the ASS regulars.
Did u post as Davide?
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oh goodie. Ill bnake cookies.
I am Davide.
I had replied to u some days ago, telling my name, but prolly you didn't
see.
Have a nice 2005, Ms Pnats. I hope evrything's fine.
It's been a complete disaster.
And not by my fault.
: It's been a complete disaster.
: And not by my fault.
Sorry to hear it. What happened?
Hi! I wnet backee and read your first post back since you lasst posted.
I did miss it! apologies to you sir!
Good to see you. So get me up to date on what hass bean happening in
yer life.
What happened with teh date?
Hope u hace a grate 2005 too.
Ciao!
In article <1104468724.e042e26dbc83919532e2140ef766d998@meganetnews2>
Sadi <sxy...@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>The problem with that is that people -- like life -- will throw you a
>curve ball. Often.
>
>Someone like Rainier, who needs to rehearse every little smile, wink
>and line -- cannot handle it if the situation strays from what he's
>"prepared".
Yes, we can (handle it). Because we have prepared, and have created a
patchwork of social gambits with which we can play hopscotch to jump
from one familiar, rehearsed "zone" into another.
- --
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet?
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Oh no! What happened? :-(
From her point of view it' s wasn't a date by any means.
I discovered it by phone later in the day.
After we went to a party where she had some other friends (males).
By the way, she's not really my kind of girl.
Nothing bad happend only delusion, all in all.
>
>
>
Ciao Lady Pnats !
Nice to see u too, you're always sparkling. :)
My life goes quietly. I work, then I come home. Nothing special happends
beyond that, sometimes I go out with some friend, and no girlfriends at all.
The date went bad, but it was and attempt and it's good for me. Someone says
that "you win or you learn".
Have a nice day.
"Just be yourself"
Well Sadi, I appreciate your advice but that's not good for me.
Cause of my shyness things don't come naturally for me.
I wish I was told when I was much younger about what to do with friends and
g/friends.
Hear u again.
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Well that's okay then. Remember these things are as much for you to see if
you want to go out with her as much as the other way around.
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:15:43 +0000 (UTC), "Bernd Jendrissek"
<ber...@prism.co.za> wrote in post:
>Yes, we can (handle it). Because we have prepared, and have
>created a patchwork of social gambits with which we can play
>hopscotch to jump from one familiar, rehearsed "zone" into
>another.
And how many girlfriends have you had, Bernd?
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> Rainier (rainie...@hotmail.com) wrote
>
>>Franco wrote:
>>
>>>That's all I can think of now. Good luck.
>>
>>This is all good advice. I'd also have some talking points ready to bridge
>>lulls in the conversation.
>>Some basic ones would be:
>>What kind of music do you listen to?
>>What kind of movies do you like?
>>Do you like to travel? What are some places you've been or would like to
>>go?
>>What do you do for fun?
>
>
> Those are good conversation questions because they are not yes/no-answer
> questions but open-ended that push the conversation partner to think up an
> elaborate response.
>
But don't just ask questions; that's annoying. Also think about stuff
that you like, and will want to talk about, so she can learn a bit about
you.
> I think it is you who is out of touch with reality in this instance.
> As always, you are generalizing your reality to everyone else. While
> you, Sadi, obviously don't need to explicitly make a list in your mind
> of possible conversation topics, it isn't in any way far fetched that
> this might be a helpful tactic to many people who are likely to post
> here.
>
> Hint: In the short amount of time I've been reading this newsgroup the
> issue of how one makes small talk has probably come up more than once.
> Hint: Many of us don't know how to do small talk.
>
> August Pamplona
I'm one such person. For me, the getting-to-know-you period is fraught
with lengthy silences and awkwardness. I have a small-talk "script"
which I've developed over the years to get me through; it's exactly the
same kind of thing that more socially fluent people use, except they do
it unconsciously and I do it consciously.
-=Lola
> I am Davide.
> I had replied to u some days ago, telling my name, but prolly you didn't
> see.
> Have a nice 2005, Ms Pnats. I hope evrything's fine.
>
Hi Davide! I saw your picture (you're very attractive) in the gallery,
and wondered why you didn't post anymore. Good luck on your date!
-=Lola
Exactly! On one of the van trips to go from point A to point B
during my stay in Costa Rica, the driver made a huge and succesful (with
my parents, anyway) effort to be engaged in verbal interaction (I don't
know why, it's not like he was a really a tour guide, but he did). I
really had the distinct impression that he had a very definite list of
topics in his mind that he went through to keep the conversation going.
However, in the case of this fellow, I do believe it was a conscious and
deliberate effort to go through a mental list.
^_^
Davide! Long time no post, ay?
Glad to see you've moved beyond ogling girls on park benches <G>
>>
>>
>>Hi! I wnet backee and read your first post back since you lasst posted.
>>I did miss it! apologies to you sir!
>>
>>Good to see you. So get me up to date on what hass bean happening in
>>yer life.
>>What happened with teh date?
>>
>>Hope u hace a grate 2005 too.
>>
>>Ciao!
>
>
> Ciao Lady Pnats !
> Nice to see u too, you're always sparkling. :)
> My life goes quietly. I work, then I come home. Nothing special happends
> beyond that, sometimes I go out with some friend, and no girlfriends at all.
>
> The date went bad, but it was an attempt and it's good for me. Someone says
> that "you win or you learn".
> Have a nice day.
Sorry to hear that. Perhaps you set your expectations way too high? She
saw it as just friends meeting, you thought it was a date...
--
Lonely G (wonders hth Poopie knew it was him?!)
Hi Dolores. Thanks for your compliment. It's such as a bit of oxigen for me.
I have to fight with anxiety and (mostly) depression in order to live, and
for example I stopped posting during summer and autumn because I found
everything senseless.
Finding a girl for here in Italy is very hard for me due to my shyness and
anxiety. You should think, for example, that never and never an italian girl
would say me I'm attractive as you did.
In addition, they act to hide their real intentions in any way.
Maybe the culture and uses of Italy gives them "an old mantality". Maybe for
italian girl, saying a guy they like him is too much "libertine" and they
would be thought as bitches and so on.
You know, just 150 years ago, the Pope of Rome and the Catholic Church would
rule and dominates over this lands, and for them women were just a
synonimous of the devil, and maybe this mentality is hard to fade away.
Anyway, letting aside history, I still struggle to have a normal life.
Have a nice day Dolores.
>
> -=Lola
Geez, I still remember our conversation.
Things have changed a bit, but the road is still long and I am not sure I
will arrive anyway.
Anyway, it was good to talk for you.
I would like your opinions on my matters, if you like to give to me.
That can be a really useful and valuable tactic, if you're not a natural
small-talk-maker, even more so if you're not using your first language
to communicate.
Have I told you yet how envious I am of your trip? Shit.
Hell. I don't like small talk never mind know how to make
it. I'd do well to learn, but just like most people here seem
to be, I prefer to talk about things that interest me. Rather
self-centred and not very conducive to meeting people halfway.
- Michaela
You know, it's a very cheap shot to keep using that kind of veiled
insult here, in a support group for shy people.
Everyone - including you, "extrovert glamour model Sadie" - hadn't had
a boy or girlfriend if you go back far enough.
On 3 Jan 2005 09:35:22 -0800, "Curious_Orange"
<curious...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in post:
>Sadi wrote:
>>And how many girlfriends have you had, Bernd?
>
>You know, it's a very cheap shot to keep using that kind of
>veiled insult here, in a support group for shy people.
I'll live with it. <snicker>
>Everyone - including you, "extrovert glamour model Sadie" -
>hadn't had a boy or girlfriend if you go back far enough.
I was 15 when I had my first boyfriend.
How old were YOU, "Curious_Orange", when you had your first
girlfriend?
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> On 3 Jan 2005 09:35:22 -0800, "Curious_Orange"
> <curious...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in post:
>
>>Sadi wrote:
>>
>>>And how many girlfriends have you had, Bernd?
>>
>>You know, it's a very cheap shot to keep using that kind of
>>veiled insult here, in a support group for shy people.
>
>
> I'll live with it. <snicker>
You sure will. Probably for a long, long time. That doesn't make it any
less dumb.
That would be the case if she was talking about when Sadiq was 15 in
the "Sadi is a tranny" scenarios. _If_ she's talking about when 15 years
had passed since Sadiq died and Sadi was born (in said scenarios), no.
And what's up with capitalizing "gay"?
Hmm, I'm curious though. Bernd, just how many girlfriends *have* you had?
No big deal, though - I'm pretty inexperienced myself.
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 01:14:44 -0500, "ydnam"
<yad2...@yahoo.com> wrote in post:
>Sadi wrote:
>>And how many girlfriends have you had, Bernd?
>
>You know, it's a very cheap shot to keep using that kind of
>veiled insult here, in a support group for shy people.
Yeah, but it works. Why mess with a proven formula for success?
>Hmm, I'm curious though. Bernd, just how many girlfriends
>*have* you had?
<snicker>
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