Comments about being short in the past year.
Classic Collector
A week ago, I went out to eat with my brother, his wife and my nephew. My
nephew is 14, and growing. He's about as tall or taller than me now. When we
were walking up to Red Robin, he said, "wow, you're short." I said... "no
shit."
In my Auditing class, the professor, a CPA, made some comment on how we had
to get over our shyness, and give an oral report on some accounting topic.
Then he said, "being shy is like being short." As in, short is a negative
trait.
Who'd of thought that a trait one can't control, is looked down upon so
greatly and makes life so lousy.It's not only looked down upon by others,
but the person inflicted with the problem as well. It makes me feel like I'm
not a desirable person. Between the media, shows like MTV's Next (where the
girls routinely ask, "is he tall?"), commercials, and the competitive nature
of our society, I feel doomed. I'm just a very unhappy person. When I think
about what would make me happy, I think of having a good career, good money,
being able to attract attractive women.
janeo...@msn.com
that happens to you as some sort of response to the fact that your
short, not possible. there have to be other things going on, its
almost like a crutch ,,,, whatever happens you can blame it on your
height, then you don't have to deal with it, I don't mean to be
hard on you but this is dead end thinking, there are happy
successfull short guys out there, look at danny devito ,,, great
actor , happy guy , proof that it can be done, good luck, jill
Virgo Cluster
>> Who'd of thought that a trait one can't control, is looked
>> down upon so greatly and makes life so lousy.It's not only
>> looked down upon by others, but the person inflicted with
>> the problem as well. It makes me feel like I'm not a
>> desirable person. Between the media, shows like MTV's
>> Next (where the girls routinely ask, "is he tall?"),
>> commercials, and the competitive nature of our society,
>> I feel doomed. I'm just a very unhappy person. When I
>> think about what would make me happy, I think of having
>> a good career, good money, being able to attract attractive
>> women.
** CyberDroog **
> You complain about being short on the grounds that you
> can't control it, then you go on to specify that happiness
> is based on getting attractive women. Unattractive women
> can't help being unattractive any more than you can help
> being short.
>
> Why should attractive women accept you for being short
> when you don't accept women for being unattractive?
>
> NEXT!!!
Excellent point! Too many guys in here seem to want girls
to overlook shortness, and yet the guys are not willing
to overlook things themselves. Sure, we can all debate
the issue of whether height _should_ be an attractiveness
selection criterion [1], but the simple fact of the matter
is that it is, and so when trying to date a girl, a short
guy is going to have to compromise on something or he needs
to bring something extra to the table, such as confidence,
humor, intelligence, money, etc. As I've mentioned in here
before, if any unattached girls are reading this and you're
attracted to any of these traits, you'll find that if you're
willing to compromise some on a guy's height, you can do
quite a bit better than if you aren't willing to compromise
on a guy's height. I'm not saying that shorter guys overall
are nicer, more intelligent, etc. What I'm saying is that
you can find shorter guys who'd be willing to go out with
you who, if they were taller, would be completely out of
your league. The same goes for guys willing to compromise
on looks for things like personality, intelligence, etc.
Classic Collector, if it'll help, one way to look at things
is that the girls who ask "Is he tall?" are compromising
on a guy's confidence, humor, intelligence, money, etc.
[1] This is a separate issue from heightism in employment
decisions, in the workplace environment, and in other
aspects of our lives.
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Classic Collector
than attractive women have overlooked my shortness.
"Virgo Cluster" <gamma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Franz Bestuchev
Well, except I can't fit in a number of cars, bang my head all the time,
most public seats don't fit me (airline, bus, movie theatre), it's *really*
hard to find pants with a 36" inseam when you want to shop locally. Shirts
in XXL-T can't be found locally either.
My shoes are size 14, so instead of finding a shoe I like and then getting
it in that size. I find the shoes of that size and then pick the least
offensive.
I never blend into a crowd (for example while in high school everybody knew
me but I had no clue who 90% of them were.
Instead of hearing "wow, you're short" while growing up, I was always asked
if I played basketball. I don't, and don't like the sport.
As for women, you've got it all wrong, height is something they may name off
the top of their head, but I used to do a lot of prowling around SanFran
with a buddy of mine who was probably about 5'4". He got more ladies than I
could believe. It's all personality and body language.
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Franz Bestuchev
<think...@dlcwest.com> wrote in message
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>
> Thanks for the post.
> I have a buddy - absolutely brilliant - who is about your height.
> We sometimes go out to the bars and clubs.
> He has no difficulty approaching women and talking to them, but doesn't
> have the skills to bring it home. In fact, he usually alienates them,
> leaving them thinking the he thinks they are too stupid for him, or
> that he's just weird.
>
> I've always done a lot better with the ladies than he does.
>
> But then, though I'm short, I'm also what women consider good
> looking... or so they tell me.
>
Exactly, it's personality all the way.
Franz Bestuchev
"Janithor" <Jani...@comspambegonecast.net> wrote in message
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>
> Franz Bestuchev wrote:
>> My world is perfect in all aspects because I'm 6'4"
>>
>> Well, except I can't fit in a number of cars, bang my head all the time,
>> most public seats don't fit me (airline, bus, movie theatre), it's
>> *really* hard to find pants with a 36" inseam when you want to shop
>> locally. Shirts in XXL-T can't be found locally either.
>>
>> My shoes are size 14, so instead of finding a shoe I like and then
>> getting it in that size. I find the shoes of that size and then pick the
>> least offensive.
>>
>> I never blend into a crowd (for example while in high school everybody
>> knew me but I had no clue who 90% of them were.
>>
>> Instead of hearing "wow, you're short" while growing up, I was always
>> asked if I played basketball. I don't, and don't like the sport.
>>
>> As for women, you've got it all wrong, height is something they may name
>> off the top of their head, but I used to do a lot of prowling around
>> SanFran with a buddy of mine who was probably about 5'4". He got more
>> ladies than I could believe. It's all personality and body language.
>
>
> just as silly to suggest it has no relevance as it is to say it counts for
> everything.
>
It's all silly.
Classic Collector
I'd say #1 is being attractive, and #2 is height. If you're short but
"deemed" attractive, you have a better chance than if you're ugly and
short..
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>
> I wouldn't say "all the way."
> But personality can go a long way - it can help to make up for
> perceived inadequacies, or help develop a perception of inadequacy.
>
demi...@aol.com
male friends who were short. I mean less than 5"6" including one who is
5'4", another 5'2", and two less than 5'. They all had girlfriends
and/or wives (though not at the same time). One was an artist, the
others were what I suspect would be labeled geeks: architects,
attorneys, business, etc. They were serious, fun, worked hard,
thoughtful. IOW, they were normal, nice guys. They liked people,
including women and they certainly didn't act the world owed them
anything.
demi...@aol.com
anything.
Franz Bestuchev
through which to interpret socialization.
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Rhiannon
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> think...@dlcwest.com wrote:
> > x-no-archive: yes
> >
> > I wouldn't say "all the way."
> > But personality can go a long way - it can help to make up for
> > perceived inadequacies, or help develop a perception of inadequacy.
>
>
> nuts when they have difficulty dealing with them. In fact, it's kind of
> cruel when people work so hard to deny basic realities and make other
> people think they are nuts when they notice that my gosh, a pink
> elephant is in fact in the room.
I agree. It's dismissive and non-validating not to acknowledge how someone
sees themselves. It matters to them so it just matters. Period.
Rhiannon
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> I don't agree. A geek with a great personality will not score with women.
> I'd say #1 is being attractive, and #2 is height. If you're short but
> "deemed" attractive, you have a better chance than if you're ugly and
> short..
Okay. Perhaps what you say is true. Perhaps it isn't. Perhaps it's simply
your perspective. Whether skewed or warped or accurate or real you feel
bad about it. How you *feel* is the issue. So I am going to address how
you feel. If you don't want to feel short wear lifts in your shoes. If you
feel self conscious about acne as mentioned in another post buy some pro
active solution. Keep sending our your resumes. Go to interviews with
lifts in your shoes *feeling* taller. And wash your face five times a day.
Being pro-active about the things that you feel bad about will help you feel
better about yourself. The more positive you feel the more confident you
will feel. Six interviews from now you can walk in to an office taller,
without acne and increased self confidence and things may change.
As for women. Well now that a tricky one. Who the hell knows what women
want. And I am one. Speaking for myself only. My sons says I'm not like
*most* women so perhaps my perspective is skewed. There is something
attractive and sexy about every man. Unless he's the elephant man - sorry I
do draws lines - anything goes. For me smart and funny win hands down every
time. I'm 5'3" and 112 pounds. EVERYBODY is taller than me. So height
isn't an issue. In other words, target shorter women, not tall, leggy,
beautiful, bar maids. Why set yourself up for disappointment when there are
thousands of attractive short women available. *This* I don't understand.
Completely and totally against my better judgement - because I think he's a
misogynist - I'm going to advise you to contact The Seduce and Conquer
website. The guy who runs it is an image consultant who specializes in
empowering men by teaching them how to look, act, and feel confident. It
encompasses all area's of life including employment and dating. Good luck.
The Seduce and Conquer website
http://www.seduceandconquer.com
Zanzibar High
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www.seduction.com.
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limbo
Janithor wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Classic Collector wrote:
> > I don't agree. A geek with a great personality will not score with women.
> > I'd say #1 is being attractive, and #2 is height. If you're short but
> > "deemed" attractive, you have a better chance than if you're ugly and
> > short..
>
>
> It's simple folks. Each variable is just that: *A* variable. As in,
> one of many that make up the overall package. You forgot to throw in
> the money variable, having money helps too. So does being from the same
> race. So does living in the same city. So does being a
> smoker/non-smoker. So does being religious/non-religious.
>
> Y = overall attractivenss of the individual to the target population
>
> Xn = trait that is part of the overall attractiveness of person Y
>
> a = weighted influence of Xn on Y, so that {a + b + ... + n} = 1
>
> Y = {aX1 + bX2 + ... + nXn}
>
> Simple. Deal with it, cause you ain't going to change it.
>
> And you lose a lot of moral force in your griping when you diss and
> ignore women who have it bad too. It's kinda disgusting, to be honest.
> For every short ugly loser guy out there, there is some short ugly
> loser woman who's being ignored or worse. (see alt.support.shyness, for
> example.)
I agree with all of that, but I'd point out that there are conditions
for that big attractiveness equation, e.g., if Xn < Zn then Y = 0. At
some point, the guy doesn't just get a low mark for height that can be
compensated for with a bunch of high scores in the other terms. He's
effictively a zero for a given woman. The same would be true of most
of the terms, e.g., "He's 400lbs. Forget it."
Noon Cat Nick
That's what those are on his forehead? I thought they were circumcision scars.
limbo
Janithor wrote:
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> Hm...dammit, you ruined a perfectly good equation. I think I see what
> you're saying, I have no clue how to express it mathematically. You're
> saying that for any given variable, this equation holds within certain
> bounds. Even if all the other variables are aces, if one falls way too
> far out the bounds of acceptability, it pushes Y to 0, even if that
> particular variable isn't weighted very heavily, correct?
Yeah, exactly.
Any help on
> this would be appreciated. What you're saying makes intuitive sense, I
> just don't know how to express it logically/mathematically.
You'd just have to specify the domains over which the equation holds
true. For example, with height, if you had an equation that determined
attractiveness (Y) well for 95% of the population (say, 63 to 77
inches) then you'd specify at the beginning:
"For all h such that 63<h<77: Y = whatever
Otherwise, Y = 0"
There are a lot of interesting nooks and crannies in describing
attractiveness mathematically. Here are three.
1. For many traits, the Attractiveness(trait) function isn't linear or
even increasing over a large domain. For example, with height,
attractiveness starts to drop off in studies somewhere between 5'10"
and 6'1" so the function would describe a curve with a maximum.
2. Even for a trait where more is always better, like equity, it won't
be linear. If I had $2 million, for the majority of women that
wouldn't be twice as attractive as having $1 million.
3. There will always be fetishists. Using height again, there are
women who love very tall guys. If you were a very tall guy, say 6'6",
you might get a low average score from a target population of 100
women, but there would be three girls who would be fighting eachother
for your attention because there's only one of you, whereas a 5'11"
guy, whose height is rated highest, competes with dozens of guys his
height and no one fights over him unless his other traits make him
special.
It's interesting stuff.
steve
relative freedom so yeah, you got a bad deal but it could be so much
worse. I know that being short sucks. If your in a relationship maybe
it won't matter so much.
steve
steve
steve
limbo
CyberDroog wrote:
> On 27 May 2005 21:25:06 -0700, "limbo" <ibe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Janithor wrote:
> >>
> >> And you lose a lot of moral force in your griping when you diss and
> >> ignore women who have it bad too. It's kinda disgusting, to be honest.
> >> For every short ugly loser guy out there, there is some short ugly
> >> loser woman who's being ignored or worse. (see alt.support.shyness, for
> >> example.)
> >
> >I agree with all of that, but I'd point out that there are conditions
> >for that big attractiveness equation, e.g., if Xn < Zn then Y = 0. At
> >some point, the guy doesn't just get a low mark for height that can be
> >compensated for with a bunch of high scores in the other terms. He's
> >effictively a zero for a given woman. The same would be true of most
> >of the terms, e.g., "He's 400lbs. Forget it."
>
> Everybody is a zero with certain members of the opposite sex for any number
> of reasons. That's just the way it is.
>
> --
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>
> - Ambrose Bierce
Yeah. That's the most interesting aspect of attraction to me,
especially female attraction to males. It's so diverse that I'd bet
with truckloads of data and a roomful of supercomputers you couldn't
design a single guy that 85% of all women would want to date on meeting
him. In this link, someone compiles women's answers to a question
about what their ideal man is like.
http://love-scent.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-13825.html
Some like short hair, some like long hair. 5'6" was mentioned twice as
an ideal height for a man and so was 6'. One wants blue eyes, one
wants them to be anything but blue. I think there are definitely trends
(being shorter than the woman is a bad thing generally) but the
diversity is the salient trait.
Blues Ma
Interesting indeed.
And coming from the 'other' side, i would say the variable of occupation
plays a role in attraction.
Musicians have great appeal, as do men in military uniform.
I'm sure in some countries, bull fighters are real draws, no matter how short.
Then, add the hormonal factor.
When ovulating, many women choose and entirely different type to pursue.
Dangerous men, who are most attractive, may lose out to the protector and
nurturer type.
janeo...@msn.com
your shortness and thier fat, its bad thinking,,,,,
period,,,,,,,,,, cut that out,,,,,,,,,, people are more then thier
parts,,,,,,,,, its all about the energy,,, that you send,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
jill