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Frodo Baggins

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Nov 9, 2009, 8:22:14 PM11/9/09
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Well I've been getting this joint pain for some time now. Different
parts of the body. I had a blood test to see if it was for my
thyroid. Evidently the thyroid isn't the culprit. He told me I have
diabetes. I asked him if that was why I've been having all this pain,
and he said it might.
So
I guess I might try asenapine.
One thing that had me wondering was I thought one would have to fast
for this kind of blood test. I didn't. I actually drank a sprite
before I had the blood drawn. The doc said it had nothing to do with
it. If this is truly a diabetes thing, this pain won't go away
anytime soon.

Not good news at all.

Science Stunted Bonsai Brain

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Nov 9, 2009, 9:04:08 PM11/9/09
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Arthritis? I think it's possible to get arthritis when you're fairly
young, or as a complication of other illnesses.

Gelly

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Nov 9, 2009, 9:18:14 PM11/9/09
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Oh, I'm so sorry. But you know, my new doc said that diabetes can't be
confirmed by one blood test, that she would need to monitor the ups
and downs for a while, because I wanted to get tested, too. And yeah,
I don't see how a Sprite right before drawing blood would NOT affect
the blood sugar a lot. I really suggest getting a second opinion...
not only for the diabetes, but the joint pain that apparently wasn't
diagnosed as anything in particular.

But if it's true, well... there are lots of treatments now. I don't
know enough about diabetes really to say anything more.

Did the doc start you on any medicines for it? Did they really not
have anything in particular to say about the joint pain?

:(

Frodo Baggins

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Nov 9, 2009, 9:21:03 PM11/9/09
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Could be. I hope once my sugars are under control the pain will
stop. I can barely move my wrist.

Frodo Baggins

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Nov 9, 2009, 9:58:05 PM11/9/09
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He wasn't sure what is causing it, but added diabetes can cause it.
Personally, my life is so hard right now, a change in meds would be a
bad idea. Once my kid is enrolled in kindergarten would be a better
time financially. Perhaps some more metformin (I'm already taking it
for a try a weightloss) would do the trick. The doc didn't advise
what should be done next. I will call tomorrow and see if I can get a
referral to an endocrinologist. I wasn't expecting this. Diabetes
doesn't run in my family. Heck my sister was around 400lbs and didn't
have it. Must be all the sweets Zyprexa demands. Tomorrow I will get
some things straightened out.

Mark Earnest

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Nov 10, 2009, 1:32:35 AM11/10/09
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"Frodo Baggins" <chewi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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If you can believe a placebo to work, then you can fight this.
Even cancer can be cured, if you think about it.
It is cured all the time.
Sending positive energy.

Mark


Judy

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Nov 10, 2009, 1:55:39 AM11/10/09
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On 10 Nov, 06:32, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Frodo Baggins" <chewie_r...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

Hi,

Recently there was a radio programme over here (UK), about the healing
power of metaphor. Unfortunately it is not possible to hear that
programme now, on something like IPlayer, but this link connects to
the write-up about the radio programme.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8326171.stm

best wishes

Judy

rainbowguardian

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Nov 10, 2009, 2:08:56 AM11/10/09
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"Frodo Baggins" <chewi...@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Dear FB, that must be really bad educated medic. Because normally if your
blood gets tested, the maximum you can take in, is water and cigarette-smoke
and it is inevitable to fast before you have your blood test done. The sugar
in the sprite is obviously the reason for your bloodsugar beeing to high,
because the sugar in the soda gets in your bloodstream quite fast and
normally raises your values.
I would advise you to make another test (maybe with a different medic) and
this time don't drink soda or eat anything but fast.
Like i side before only water and cigarette smoke (that's what my doctor
told me).

Greetings
Robert

Frodo Baggins

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Nov 10, 2009, 2:30:33 AM11/10/09
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Thanks, Robert. You're probably right. The guy was a bit kooky. It
would be nice to find a good doctor with medicaid.
I'll get tested again, soon.

Frodo Baggins

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Nov 10, 2009, 2:42:04 AM11/10/09
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I found in yahoo answers that blood tests that check sugars you have
to fast for. Not sure if that's true, but it really adds doubt to
this moron.
F*CK!

Mark Earnest

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Nov 10, 2009, 3:06:22 AM11/10/09
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"Judy" <jal...@easynet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Hi,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8326171.stm

best wishes

Judy

**If figurative language can heal, it must be because of the metamorphosis
of words creating that energy. That gives you something to believe in,
something to grab hold of to create the remedy, if I am understanding you
correctly.

Mark


Miki

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Nov 10, 2009, 6:28:29 AM11/10/09
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There is one test my doctor administers which measures the long-term
sugar profile. It's called an alpha something test. It is typically
taken every few months and does not require fasting. If you had only
one vial of blood drawn for the blood sugar test then it was that
alpha-whatever test. The conventional blood sugar test _does_ require
fasting but it measures blood sugar only at the time blood is drawn.

Miki

Frodo Baggins

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Nov 10, 2009, 2:42:52 PM11/10/09
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I see, Miki. I've asked for a referral to an endocrinologist. I will
ask for another test there. Just in case, I will try fasting before
my appt.

Gelly

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Nov 10, 2009, 4:17:28 PM11/10/09
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Hey, if you find one that actually takes MoHealthNet, please let me
know. I was referred to one but couldn't find any who actually took
Medicaid.

rainbowguardian

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Nov 10, 2009, 4:32:05 PM11/10/09
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"Frodo Baggins" <chewi...@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>I see, Miki. I've asked for a referral to an endocrinologist. I will
> ask for another test there. Just in case, I will try fasting before
> my appt.


Actually, the test should normally take place in the morning. So you can eat
the day before but not in the morning it takes place (and no sodas).
If the test happens to be on noon or the afternoon (what is not common for
such tests) you shouldn't eat the whole day.
That's my idea about it.

Greetings
Bob

Miki

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Nov 10, 2009, 4:36:13 PM11/10/09
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On Nov 10, 4:32 pm, "rainbowguardian" <robert_smrd...@gmx.de> wrote:
> "Frodo Baggins" <chewie_r...@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitragnews:3a0c735b-7995-4964...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

>
> >I see, Miki.  I've asked for a referral to an endocrinologist.  I will
> > ask for another test there.  Just in case, I will try fasting before
> > my appt.
>
> Actually, the test should normally take place in the morning. So you can eat
> the day before but not in the morning it takes place (and no sodas).
> If the test happens to be on noon or the afternoon (what is not common for
> such tests) you shouldn't eat the whole day.
> That's my idea about it.
>
> Greetings
> Bob

That's ONE TYPE of diabetes blood test. There is ANOTHER type I've
described already, and I've undergone that test several times.

Miki

rainbowguardian

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Nov 10, 2009, 5:34:18 PM11/10/09
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Miki

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So what, Mikey????

Miki

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Nov 10, 2009, 5:52:09 PM11/10/09
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On Nov 10, 5:34 pm, "rainbowguardian" <robert_smrd...@gmx.de> wrote:
> "Miki" <dummy.addr...@mikikocic.com> schrieb im Newsbeitragnews:3cc614ef-16d9-4eb4...@v37g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> So what, Mikey????- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

So you're misinforming people.

Miki

Frodo Baggins

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Nov 10, 2009, 6:22:02 PM11/10/09
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Will do Gelly.

rainbowguardian

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Nov 10, 2009, 6:29:09 PM11/10/09
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"Miki" <dummy....@mikikocic.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Miki

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No i'm not! The normal blood test that is getting done requires a sober
person in things like food and drinks.
Every bit of foood or drink you are intaking before the test changes the
sugar levels and other levels such as liver levels of the blood.
Me thinks the longtime test that you described just mesures the fluctuations
of the sugar level on the long run, and therefor maybe doesn't need a
fasting, because it maybe measures differently. (i heard of that blood test
before, because i know some people with diabetes)
But i'm sure that what FB described, intaking a soda before the normal blood
test would raise the levels way high above normal and leading the medic to
the conclusion that he has diabetes.

Stan Kehoe

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Nov 10, 2009, 11:00:01 PM11/10/09
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On Nov 10, 6:29 pm, "rainbowguardian" <robert_smrd...@gmx.de> wrote:
> "Miki" <dummy.addr...@mikikocic.com> schrieb im Newsbeitragnews:4de07a7b-4c27-415a...@m35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> the conclusion that he has diabetes.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Frodo said that his doctor told him the test he got didn't require
fasting. That's why I assumed it was the longer-term blood glucose
index test rather than the on-the-spot test that requires fasting.

My doctor only does the longer-term test every two months or so. He
seems to feel that my diabetes medication is more-or-less doing its
job.

Stan

rainbowguardian

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Nov 10, 2009, 11:10:11 PM11/10/09
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"Stan Kehoe" <stan...@rocketmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Stan

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You didn't read good enough again (like you did with my post regarding your
revolution against psychiatry, Mikey!)
Frodo had a thyroid test done and not a blood sugar test, and to my
knowledge it is a one time test that requires fasting.

Stan Kehoe

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Nov 11, 2009, 11:28:45 AM11/11/09
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On Nov 10, 11:10 pm, "rainbowguardian" <robert_smrd...@gmx.de> wrote:
> "Stan Kehoe" <stanke...@rocketmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitragnews:be7f4fad-db32-44f4...@r31g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> knowledge it is a one time test that requires fasting.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Geez, what's with the hostility? And as for the "revolution against
psychiatry," you've got the wrong guy.

Since your hostility to me is what this thread has really become all
about, maybe you could stop using pretexts to lash out and actually
openly _say_ what's bugging you.

Stan

rainbowguardian

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Nov 11, 2009, 12:24:04 PM11/11/09
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"Stan Kehoe" <stan...@rocketmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Stan

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How come your idea, that i'm hostile towards you?

Stan Kehoe

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Nov 11, 2009, 12:34:07 PM11/11/09
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On Nov 11, 12:24 pm, "rainbowguardian" <robert_smrd...@gmx.de> wrote:
> "Stan Kehoe" <stanke...@rocketmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitragnews:aa3606fb-5ef5-473d...@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> How come your idea, that i'm hostile towards you?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Don't play analyst games, Robert. Bouncing my statement back to me as
a question is the oldest rhetorical trick in the book. Either come out
and say honestly what's bothering you or stop talking to me.

Stan

rainbowguardian

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Nov 11, 2009, 12:40:36 PM11/11/09
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"Stan Kehoe" <stan...@rocketmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Stan

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How come your idea, that i am hostile towards you?

Stan Kehoe

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Nov 11, 2009, 12:56:21 PM11/11/09
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On Nov 11, 12:40 pm, "rainbowguardian" <robert_smrd...@gmx.de> wrote:
> "Stan Kehoe" <stanke...@rocketmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitragnews:2b05f9d2-9855-4771...@m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> How come your idea, that i am hostile towards you?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

That does it. Take your stupid taunting and shove it up your ass. And
stop talking to me. I'm not going to respond to any of your would-be-
lesbian bullshit any more.

Stan

Gelly

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Nov 11, 2009, 5:43:14 PM11/11/09
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Que? Robert is not a man, or ?? Would-be-lesbian?

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