Challenge to psychiatry: Let us end schizophrenia
DP
against me on this illness.
To make it interesting lets put our life on the line. If I lose, you own my
life; if you lose, I own your life and do with it as I want. What do you
have to lose if you believe this illness requires medication.
In a control experiment using (Self-Protection+T-Room) where the patient
will not be required to take any medication. Respond to this in an open
forum if you want to take the challange.
Eldon
This experiment was already conducted with Lisa McPherson and Jeremy
Perkins.
DP
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I wasn't there and do not know how the experiment was conducted. There
should be more people for an experiment of this sort. This challenge goes to
the head of psychiatry.
husk
You are a comedian aren't you? You expect a some fictitious head of
psychiatry to bet his own life on a research project. If you wanted
to really attract someone's attention, work for ten years and save
every penny. Once you have $50,000 saved up, then propose to a
psychiatry researcher that you will provide $50,000 of funding and if
it doesn't work, that's too bad. If it does the researcher will give
you a Snickers bar and half of any profit he makes from discovering a
cure. Then you might get some attention. This life for a life thing
just won't fly.
Honest Abe
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So what does the cult of $cientology offer as an alternative to psychiatric
treatment?
Can $cientology cure schizophrenia? Answer this question!
I know you won't - because the answer is NO.
And yet they want to destroy those that can help the mentally ill, even
though they cannot or will not help them.
Above, the anti-psychiatry fanatic said "I own your life and do with it as I
want."
He be thinking as all $cientology higher-ups think of their suppressed and
exploited followers -
slobeck
This is so juvenile and ignorant that it defies much comment. Lest one
fine ones self in an argument with an idiot. Which my mother taught me
menat that people watching can't tell the difference. So I'll leave
this alone.
Peter Schilte
Yes. And let's end common cold, hay fever, appendicitis, arthritis,
migraine, asthma, malaria, aids and insanity also.
Peter
"You mocked up your own reactive mind, you mocked up your BTs and you
mocked up your past lives.
Those ARE the EPs (End Phenomenons) of scientology.
L. Ron Hubbard told you so. This is what you are paying for, in no
uncertain terms. Hubbard makes it very clear all the way "UP" the
bridge.
He even told you he was selling you a bridge."
- Ladybird
Michael Kipp
Mental illness is caused by stressors in your environment. Sometimes
the stressors are unintetional (or friendly fire) but often the
stressors are intentional ( a malicous act) designed to alter the
patients brain chemistry, or release dopamine into the frontal lobe of
the brain-- making the patient relapse. My advice: choose the inputs
into your environment carefully or you may regret the outputs you
receive in return.
Michael Kipp
Dallas, Texas
Day Brown
> Mental illness is caused by stressors in your environment. Sometimes
> the stressors are unintetional (or friendly fire) but often the
> stressors are intentional ( a malicous act) designed to alter the
> patients brain chemistry, or release dopamine into the frontal lobe of
> the brain-- making the patient relapse. My advice: choose the inputs
> into your environment carefully or you may regret the outputs you
> receive in return.
and live in an obscure, remote rural village staffed by a more rational
set of members.
Native Europeans evolved in villages of 150-300, and we- and our kids-
are adapted to coping with that scale. Over 300, most people cannot
remember who everyone is and therefore need to rely on status symbols to
know how to relate. I think you know what kind of trouble that creates.
Villages dont have 'strangers with candy', so kids are raised without
fear. Since everyone knew everyone else, they didnt have locked doors.
so, they didnt have the private spaces pervs need to abuse kids. Also,
the kids are raised in constant contact with each other, and watch out
for each other. In self imposed quarantine, they dont have nearly the
rate of infections- which we also know can trigger the onset of
psychopathology.
MissMarple
brings up a very important question and i believe it as nothing to do with
destroying psychology or psychiatry it can only dignify them as human
sciences.
Only when the use of severe and disabling medication is reduced to its
minimum we will be able to afirm that we know and can acctually control such
a disease.
Schizophrenia as been the big question and the ultimate realm for psychology
since it can not be understood or even contained by most of psychology's
major paradigms.
It's a disease that still requires an abnormal use of medication and that
can destroy one's life mostly at a social level. So if psychology wants to
take one step fruther on it's quest to gain it's name as a science, it's
imperative that this realm is conquered not on a containin g level of
simptoms but on a deeper level of empathy, compreension, and therapy based
on the individuality of this disease expressions rather than supressing
those expressions with a standard medication that hasn�t still evolved
enough to provide releive from the pain.
After all this as been said i stiil believe medication can be requeride and
i also believe that all of the technicians from both fields ar doing their
best, the thing is that a new change of ground is expected for mental health
is this XXI century.
Have a good day u all
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Tigger
LOL...you must be the Ronbot replacement for the antii-pych Ronbots,
the Nina, Trudy gang.
Using human beings as Guinea Pigs in experimentrs potentionally
dangerous to them is unethical. Is $CN going to provide your human
Guinea Pigs? A new RPF???
Because unethical "methods" never bothers the CO$, does it? As
Eldon said, $CN has already conducted that UNETHICAL experiment on
Lisa McPherson and Jeremy Perkins....She died....He killed his mother
by stabbing her 77 times. No need for any more UNETHICAL
experiments....you and $CN have already lost.
There is a need for medications for certain mental illnesses...but
medications must go hand in hand with supervision.
Brain scans prove that the root of most mental illness lies in
abnormalities in the brain and chemical imbalance. Like type 1
diabetes, diet, weight loss,talk therapy or environment won't cure or
control it.
Hark! I hear your master calling....you have Tent duty from 10 to 10
today...:o)
Tigger
Bobb999
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Scientology's dangerous disinformation about schizophrenia, bipolar
disorder and other mental illnesses is disproved by the experiences of
many thousands of people who either have such illnesses or who are
close to or have personal knowledge of people who suffer these
illnesses.
I have a close friend, plus an ex-girlfriend, plus a cousin, all of
whom are bipolar. They tell me drugs such as lithium are life savers
for them. Without medication these people are semi-functional at best,
unable to lead normal lives, while experiencing hellish depressions
and/or out-of-control, potentially dangerous mania. They have told me
first hand how difficult life is without their medication. A bipolar
person without medication is far more likely to commit suicide as
well.
Similarly with schizophrenia. Anyone who knows a schizophrenic, or
knows someone close to one, knows, often based on eye witness
experiences, that a schizophrenic who is quite functional and in-
control while taking anti-psychotic drugs - becomes non-functional,
delusional, out-of-control & potentially dangerous to themselves or
others. if they go of their meds. Schizophrenics, off medication, are
far more likely to commit suicide ( a typical symptom of the illness
is hearing voices that sometimes tell a person to hurt or kill
themselves or [more rarely] to hurt others. The voices cease with anti-
psychotic drugs).
We know people do die from CoS medical malpractice. Beyond the most
infamous, well-publicized cases, we may never know the actual total
number of needless deaths, but I imagine it's probable that dozens,
scores, perhaps even hundreds are dead from suicides or homocides
traceable back to CoS advising people to stay off or take someone
else off crucial
medications with proven track records as effective treatments for
serious mental illness. It's not the psychiatrists, it's the
Scientologists who are killing people.
MissMarple
be a development in that field. Besides the pharmaceutical development it
should also be a priority to reach the core of the question, not the
control of simpthoms but the erradication of the cause.
got it?
No scienthologist here
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Tigger
> In alt.support.schizophrenia Tigger wrote:
>
> T>LOL...you must be the Ronbot replacement for the anti-psych Ronbots,
> T>the Nina, Trudy gang.
> T>Using human beings as Guinea Pigs in experiments potentially
> T>dangerous to them is unethical. Is $CN going to provide your human
> T>Guinea Pigs? A new RPF???
> T>Because unethical "methods" never bothers the CO$, does it? As
> T>Eldon said, $CN has already conducted that UNETHICAL experiment on
> T>Lisa McPherson and Jeremy Perkins....She died....He killed his mother
> T>by stabbing her 77 times. No need for any more UNETHICAL
> T>experiments....you and $CN have already lost.
> T>There is a need for medications for certain mental illnesses...but
> T>medications must go hand in hand with supervision.
> T>Brain scans prove that the root of most mental illness lies in
> T>abnormalities in the brain and chemical imbalance. Like type 1
> T>diabetes, diet, weight loss,talk therapy or environment won't cure or
> T>control it.
> T>Hark! I hear your master calling....you have Tent duty from 10 to 10
> T>today...:o)
>
> Tigger the Nigger! A psychiatrist kills 13 people. Priceless!!
> No counter-transference there.
Woops....looks like Google Groups banned you.
BTW I posted in alt.religion.scientology.......the "troll"who started
this thread must have cross posted it.
Tigger
>
> <chesucat twitches>
>
> --
> Carmel, New York, has an ordinance forbidding men to wear coats and
> trousers that don't match.
Day Brown
> ok, even though the so call challenge can be a little unusual, it still
> brings up a very important question and i believe it as nothing to do with
> destroying psychology or psychiatry it can only dignify them as human
> sciences.
> Only when the use of severe and disabling medication is reduced to its
> minimum we will be able to afirm that we know and can acctually control such
> a disease.
> Schizophrenia as been the big question and the ultimate realm for psychology
> since it can not be understood or even contained by most of psychology's
> major paradigms.
> It's a disease that still requires an abnormal use of medication and that
> can destroy one's life mostly at a social level. So if psychology wants to
> take one step fruther on it's quest to gain it's name as a science, it's
> imperative that this realm is conquered not on a containin g level of
> simptoms but on a deeper level of empathy, compreension, and therapy based
> on the individuality of this disease expressions rather than supressing
> those expressions with a standard medication that hasn�t still evolved
> enough to provide releive from the pain.
> After all this as been said i stiil believe medication can be requeride and
> i also believe that all of the technicians from both fields ar doing their
> best, the thing is that a new change of ground is expected for mental health
> is this XXI century.
> Have a good day u all
order with more controlled conditions. I've seen an autism expert say
there were over 24 DNA markers. She also said that the onset seems
related to contagious pathogen exposure.
Some demographic data would be interesting; to see if those still born
and raised in native European villages had the same rate of
psychopathology as that seen in the modern urban populations.
I dont recall anthro reports of schizophrenia in non-white primitive
tribes, but DNA markers would skew the data. Nor am I averse to the use
of meds. But I see psychopathology can be triggered by: pathogen
exposure, traces of organophosphates in the food, contaminants in the
outdoor and indoor environments, and the lack of proper nutrition in the
diet. Seeing all the asthma and other allergies, why would we assume
allergies only had physical, and not mental effects? Does aroma therapy
affect kids?
There's really no way to control all these variables in a city or
suburb. Rather than telling women how to raise kids, (which has never
been that effective) setup a model program with more control of these
variables, to show them results.
Day Brown
> my point is only this, these medications are not harmless, and there should
> be a development in that field. Besides the pharmaceutical development it
> should also be a priority to reach the core of the question, not the
> control of simpthoms but the erradication of the cause.
> got it?
way they think kids should be raised, and sets up the customs,
relationship rules, or whatever, for the way they think adults should
be? Of course, it'd have to be away from the contamination of a city.
MissMarple
psychology here, i do not discuss religions. "a chacun son gout"news:4b0cc6b7$0$8857$ec3e...@news.usenetmonster.com...
Tigger
> In alt.support.schizophrenia Tigger wrote:
>
> T>LOL...you must be the Ronbot replacement for the anti-psych Ronbots,
> T>the Nina, Trudy gang.
> T>Using human beings as Guinea Pigs in experiments potentially
> T>dangerous to them is unethical. Is $CN going to provide your human
> T>Guinea Pigs? A new RPF???
> T>Because unethical "methods" never bothers the CO$, does it? As
> T>Eldon said, $CN has already conducted that UNETHICAL experiment on
> T>Lisa McPherson and Jeremy Perkins....She died....He killed his mother
> T>by stabbing her 77 times. No need for any more UNETHICAL
> T>experiments....you and $CN have already lost.
> T>There is a need for medications for certain mental illnesses...but
> T>medications must go hand in hand with supervision.
> T>Brain scans prove that the root of most mental illness lies in
> T>abnormalities in the brain and chemical imbalance. Like type 1
> T>diabetes, diet, weight loss,talk therapy or environment won't cure or
> T>control it.
> T>Hark! I hear your master calling....you have Tent duty from 10 to 10
> T>today...:o)
>
> Tigger the Nigger! A psychiatrist kills 13 people. Priceless!!
Wow....Looks like you got banned by Google Groups. Priceless!
> No counter-transference there.
Tigger
> I was not aware this was all about scientology, i thought we were discussing
> psychology here, i do not discuss religions. "a chacun son gout"
That's OK. Scientology is not a real religion. It's a congame
invented by science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard to make money.
FYI The troll who started this thread cross posted it to
alt.religion.scientology.
Tigger
Day Brown
> I was not aware this was all about scientology, i thought we were discussing
> psychology here, i do not discuss religions. "a chacun son gout"
kids, what kind of school they need, the diet, relationships, and
supervision kids need, why dont they fund a study of a community,
designed from the ground up, to provide what they say kids need for
maximal mental and physical development?
One of the things going on is based on the DNA data to show Native
Europeans evolved in villages of 150-300 people over the course of the
last 10,000 years. They must have some instinctive behavior patterns
from that, which, for example, relate to the fact that most of us can
only remember the names for 300 faces.
After that, we need to rely on status symbols to know how to relate, and
I think you know what kind of trouble that's caused. Anyhow, these cults
seem to be in the same population range. So it is that instinctive sense
of the need for an understandable community that fosters cults. Rather
than rag on the intellectual case and asinine claims of cults, offer a
more rational alternative to meet the same psychological need.
A village seems like it mite cure agoraphobia. If you consider how the
village dealt with schizophrenia, you see that the case worker, ie the
witch or shaman, lived with the case load and got to see them in all
facets of daily life. Which offers opportunities for intervention that
is far more effective by being timely.
Miguel Alberto
which causes too many axons and dendrites between the brain's neurons,
this knowledge is being suppressed to protect the dopamine blocker
industry.
Psychiatrists are being bribed by the dopamine blocker producing
drug companies to suppress the knowledge of DISC1 now. DISC1 actually
shows that dopamine blockers are useless, and worse, they are very
harmful.
Dopamine blockers cause a permanent disability for life, due full
disability compensation. There are law firms now asking, "Do you have
tardive diskinesia? We can sue for you! Big money is due!"
We can't end schizophrenia. We have a right to be schizophrenic.
Schizophrenia is a genotype. Any attempt to end a genotype is genocide.
There are international laws against genocide.
You see, the atypical antipsychotic drugs definitely and
ultimately give us diabetes. There are class action suits against them.
And, when we get diabetes, we tend not to take good enough care of our
diabetes.
And, now THEY have made it so that all diabetic sweeteners have
dextrose (sugar) in them. Look at the ingredients. It's genocide.
Let's end all dopamine blockers!
MissMarple
sorts of factors and outcomes concerning our life in society i just ask if
as scientific humans is there a necessity to judge such religions in an
hasty way?
Please see notes below
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> MissMarple wrote:
>> I was not aware this was all about scientology, i thought we were
>> discussing psychology here, i do not discuss religions. "a chacun son
>> gout"
> Same goes for the psychologists. Rather than telling us how to raise kids,
> what kind of school they need, the diet, relationships, and supervision
> kids need, why dont they fund a study of a community, designed from the
> ground up, to provide what they say kids need for maximal mental and
> physical development?
that wouldn't be like those gated comunities based on religious beliefs?
I think psychology can not be a standard for anything people should take
from this science as they should for any other science what is best for
them.
>
> One of the things going on is based on the DNA data to show Native
> Europeans evolved in villages of 150-300 people over the course of the
> last 10,000 years. They must have some instinctive behavior patterns from
> that, which, for example, relate to the fact that most of us can only
> remember the names for 300 faces.
>
That is interesting, i wasn�t aware of that but once again that is one of
many interpretations for this event.
Day Brown
> I agree this can be a micro cosmos that allow us to theorise about all
> sorts of factors and outcomes concerning our life in society i just ask if
> as scientific humans is there a necessity to judge such religions in an
> hasty way?
of their men realize the ongoing disempowerment of men- as
transnationals and governments choose to employ and advance women.
Terrorism is one result, and they may figure out how to make what is
already an unstable global political/economic system collapse in panic.
> "Day Brown" <dayh...@gmail.com> escreveu na mensagem
>> Same goes for the psychologists. Rather than telling us how to raise kids,
>> what kind of school they need, the diet, relationships, and supervision
>> kids need, why dont they fund a study of a community, designed from the
>> ground up, to provide what they say kids need for maximal mental and
>> physical development?
>
> that wouldn't be like those gated comunities based on religious beliefs?
Yes, but even further out into the rural fringe. Even the gated
communities have most people move in and out daily. This exposes even
those who stay home to the latest contagions. And viruses have been
shown to trigger autism. If the infection happens at a critical time of
mental/neurological development. How else can we control for this?
> I think psychology can not be a standard for anything people should take
> from this science as they should for any other science what is best for
> them.
>> One of the things going on is based on the DNA data to show Native
>> Europeans evolved in villages of 150-300 people over the course of the
>> last 10,000 years. They must have some instinctive behavior patterns from
>> that, which, for example, relate to the fact that most of us can only
>> remember the names for 300 faces.
>>
> That is interesting, i wasn�t aware of that but once again that is one of
> many interpretations for this event.
Gies, "Life in a Medieval Village" nevertheless shows us a lifestyle
that went way back before the Medieval era. The Age of Stonehenge by
Burgess notes when the first yeoman farmer villages were founded over
5000 years ago, by the LBK, ie 'beaker' people who'd been farming the
floodplains of the rivers that empty into the West end of the Black sea
since 8000 BC. According to the dendochronology.
Along the Danube, they find the village tels carefully spaced every 3km;
hundreds of them. A few dozen trading centers of 5000, on up to perhaps
30,000 5000 years ago like Tripolye on the Dneipr. If you run the
numbers, over 99% of them lived in the villages. While there were some
hunting tribes, Sass, 'The Substance of Civilization' calculated that
with the shift to agriculture, a given area supported 500 times as many
people.
Much the same is seen in China, only further back, 12,000 years. Its
interesting to note that when the descendants of these yeoman farmer
cultures marry, be they East Asia or West Europe, neither family is all
that worried about how the kids will adapt. Professionals in both areas
have, even back in the Shang era, worked and lived in cultures on both
sides of the Jade Gate.
Hominids inherit behavior instincts besides the maternal the same as
dogs, horses, oxen, and other mammals. Hominids have been DOMESTICATED
by agrarian life, and those that evolved in it do better in the modern
world because that culture itself evolved out of agrarian villages.
Gies shows how each village was a small business; grain mill, foundry,
tannery, pottery, or whatever. But they were also, as we now say,
vertically integrated to provide most of the resources- food, lumber,
draft animals, etc, needed for daily life. Just as a corporation would
own a network of suppliers. Then too, they understood the notion of
"shares", where the Lord got some portion, the village commons (local
government) got another, each household some number of rows in the
commonly tilled land, and each individual the food, cloth, housing, and
childcare.
Only in this case, the healthcare and case managers, the witches, lived
with the case loads. There were no cracks for kids to fall thru. Their
main problem was genetic diversity; chemical analysis of teeth and bones
show most never left the county during a lifetime. There was also the
problem of ignorance with no digital communications.
All of these could be dealt with in a longitudinal scientific study of
hominid development.
MissMarple
imparcial, in the sense that it can be used by everybody.
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Day Brown
> I wasn't aware that was the case of scientology, plus science has to be
> imparcial, in the sense that it can be used by everybody.
think and political correctness. When I was a kid in school, plate
tectonics was a crank theory.
100 hundred years ago, psychiatry said masturbation caused insanity. 80
years ago, that premarital sex caused bad marriages. During WWII, they
were treating what we now call PTSD with aspirin and send men back to
the front. 40 years ago, Bettleheim got away with saying autism was
caused by erratic mothering, and 20 years ago some were claiming they
could cure homosexuality.
So, what bullshit are they foisting upon us all today? I'm not saying
they are all incompetent, but saying they lack the balls to challenge
neurotic denial in the profession and the politically correct thinking
that has been so well rewarded by the power elites.
This kind of delusion offers demagogues the opportunity to point them
out, and thereby establish cults. But there is no way to reform the
entire system. However, it may be possible to use the net to reach those
few who have picked up on the problem, and begin to design some rational
alternative. Simply saying the powers that be are wrong is not
sufficient. You need to offer a rational proposal of where to go from
here, or a demagogue will do that for you.
So- for instance, I promote faith in the Goddess because I note all the
demagogues have been men, and they cant very well claim that they speak
in HER name. I promote the reconstruction of the agrarian village
because I see so many of our ancestors evolved in it. That is the
natural hominid environment, not cities. Its what the mental development
of children expect to be confronted with. Not strangers with candy.
And if we are to follow SCIENCE, then it makes perfect sense to start a
longitudinal study to see what happens when children are raised the way
the scientists have said they should be. Moreover, you havta go thru the
DNA markers to be sure that no failure to develop properly can be blamed
on anything other than the proposed program.
MissMarple
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Miguel Alberto
health system", at first, the mental hospitals were known as the "insane
asylums".
They were the mental hospital gulags familiar in the Twentieth
Century when there were over ten million Americans imprisoned in them.
Here is a post about them that was originally posted in
alt.magick, full of Satanists, Thelemites, and freemasons, defending the
system that ruined your lives.
"Ben Franklin invented, what was called, the "modern mental
health" system, the mental hospital gulags; and, free speech was
guaranteed to catch unwary "profaners of the sacred mysteries".
The guarantee of free speech generally turned out very well, and
today, we have the country with the most free speech in the world. THEY
regret that THEY allowed free speech.
So called, "psychotic" individuals were spotted and locked up with
one paper commitments for any suspected "psychosis".
With acceptance of network engineering's "hive" theory, that any
specialized group, called a "hive", sequesters its information, and it
goes no further then there, the mental hospital gulags have been slowly
closed down and their inmates thrown out on the street, homeless.
The homeless community has been considered to be a "hive" and
therefore and ideal place for "profaners of the sacred mysteries".
Why can't these people work? In an attempt to erase their
memories, of the secrets they stumbled upon, about their own bodies,
with electric shock treatments, and their subjugation by irreversibly
damaging dopamine blockers, they are truly very disabled people.
That seems ideal to the social engineers, for, homelessness is an
unsure but moderate genocide. The most common cause of death among the
homeless is murder by other homeless people.
My cousin was committed at the age of fifteen from a hospital
asthma ward to a mental hospital gulag for being suspected of having an
"organic psychosis" from the asthma.
He knew WHO did it to him. In this Twenty-First Century, he had
one doctor who was a Moslem. He gave that doctor all his volumes of
Crowley's "Equinox", hoping it would be seen that places like the Twin
Towers isn't where it's at.
After having read the "Equinox", cover to cover, he wouldn't get
caught dead with it. He let me see it many years ago, and, I saw the
picture where Crowley was all dressed up in regalia, and it took a whole
chapter to list his high degrees.
Actually, Crowley was THEIR worst enemy, for, he revealed all
THEIR secrets, a little cryptically, but none the less, very
recognizable to the Anakim, who intentionally ARE THEIR worst enemies,
for a very good reason.
Thanks to the miracles of modern communication, the internet, and
cell phones, there is a very irate but presently silent majority waiting
out here to pounce. Key preachers of the Fundamentalist Christian Right
have been fully informed. And what? Are we waiting for 2012?"
DP
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> Still no taker?
>
Not only is this a stupid wager, I doubt he head of any psychiatric
organization would bother to read this newsgroup.
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Maureen
> "Eldon" <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 22, 2:00 pm, "DP" <d...@destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
>
> > Let us put an end to schizophrenia. I challenge any head of psychiatry to
> > go
> > against me on this illness.
> > To make it interesting lets put our life on the line. If I lose, you own
> > my
> > life; if you lose, I own your life and do with it as I want. What do you
> > have to lose if you believe this illness requires medication.
>
> > In a control experiment using (Self-Protection+T-Room) where the patient
> > will not be required to take any medication. Respond to this in an open
> > forum if you want to take the challange.
>
> > --www.destroypsychiatry.org
>
> Perkins.
> -----------
> I wasn't there and do not know how the experiment was conducted. There
> should be more people for an experiment of this sort. This challenge goes to
> the head of psychiatry.
The head of psychiatry that allows Guantanamo Bay?
The head of $cientology that allows Guantanamo Bay?
http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=905&Itemid=194
"The Mind Possessed -A Physiology of Possession Mysticism and Faith
Healing"
William Sargant
page 17
"One other important fact must be mentioned. If any patient is
subjected to repeated abreaction on the couch, as in psychoanalysis
and other more intensive forms of psychotherapy, and if this occurs
over a period of months or years, he often becomes increasingly
sensitive and suggestible to the therapists suggestions and
interpretations of symptoms.
A hypnoid state of brain activity may result. Patients
may come to feel that in some way they are in the hands of a person of
almost divine wisdom; they avidly accept suggestions from the
therapist about altering their behavior, which would have become more
unacceptable to them in their more normal state of mind. Quite bizarre
interpretations are accepted and false memories are
believed as facts if they fit in with the analysts own beliefs."
from Chapter three, pages 35, 36
"The mind sometimes splits in such a way that an apparently well-
balanced person begins to live in two different mental worlds, one of
which is dominated by a hypnoid and highly suggestible brain activity.
His previous intellectual training and habits of rational thought have
no influence in preventing the acceptance of ideas which he
would normally find repellant or even patently nonsensical. The new
constellation of beliefs then coexists with his more usual habit of
critically examining new ideas, and accepting or rejecting them in the
light of his prevailing outlook, his experience and and his
educational and intellectual background. His newly set of acquired
ideas is shut off from and unrelated, or even diametrically opposed,
to his other ideas, which have developed in a state of clear and
critical
consciousness. For reasons which he cannot explain but which have to
do with the equivalent, paradoxical and ultraparadoxical phases of
brain activity discussed in Chapter 1, white is suddenly black,
friends are enemies and enemies are friends, small matters are more
important than larger issues, or perhaps nothing seems to matter
anymore at all.
Irrational attitudes and beliefs now live cheek by jowl with rational
and critical thinking about other topics. When this hysterical split
mindedness in partial, hysterical behavior, hypnoid states, uncritical
belief and sudden conversion can occur in people whose thinking
processes are still normal in other respects, through their
behavior may seem more bizarre and incomprehensible to detached
observers."
----
This begins with $cientology's use of Kubarkology"
"Dear Alice" and other TR's or 'training routines.'
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/confusion-technique.htm
DP says: "You can't fight what you don't see"
http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/recog/button.htm
"In more recent research, Lermanet staff has found a February 22, 2005
link between the Stormfront White Nationalist Community forum at
stormfront.org and what appears to be the web pages of past President
of Scientology Germany Sepp Hasslberger at http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/epidemics.htm.
This was as of November 11, 2005. (For Stormfront: although some of
the Scientologists' material may seem sensible, see the details of
what happened with Willis Carto and the IHR at http://www.lermanet2.com/cisar/carto/index.htm.)
As of December, 2005, Hasslberger's anti-psych propaganda is also
linked to from a Scientology/CCHR related page, http://www.psychsearch.net/links.html."
Oh they took that link down. $cientology 'anti-psychiatry link must
have a new name!
----
Maureen
Day Brown
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> DP wrote:
>> Still no taker?
>>
> Not only is this a stupid wager, I doubt he head of any psychiatric
> organization would bother to read this newsgroup.
Recent history shows in increasing variety of DNA markers, neurological
differences, and brain biochemistry related to an increasing number of
psychopathologies, so that the same symptoms may have different
constellations of causes. Why would we expect schizophrenia to be so
uniform in cause? No, it looks like an insane rant.
Miguel Alberto
grown between neurons, to wake up the brain much beyond the "normal"
10%.
Just like with muscarine, LSD, and Holotropic (see
http://www.holotropic.com ) science, this "illumination" has three
degrees, perinatal matrices 1, 2, and 3.
Those in perinatal matrix three are physically in catatonia, but
are actually body switching backward and forward in time.
We are actually multidimensional, but, the "normo" mentality only
perceives the first three dimensions, and time, the fourth dimension.
But, the more aware person, can travel to even more powers for
himself along the fifth dimension, defined by Dr. Lisa Randall,
professor of quantum physics in Harvard University, to gain the power to
easily travel in the sixth dimension across timelines, defined by the
quantum physicist Dr. Hugh Everett, to timelines resonant to his
thought.
Ignoramuses think this is allot of blarney, but, all they have to
do is Google these things. I was discussing this stuff with a
multimillionaire who checked out everything I said immediately on his
i-phone. It's there. Google it.
You need not be afraid that schizophrenia has been proven to be
genetic. The dopamine blocker industry is desperately trying to suppress
it to protect their dopamine blocker sales.
And, being genetic, we are protected by the international laws
against genocide. Look at what the Gays have done for themselves, and a
Gay gene hasn't even been found. Homosexuality is a chosen perversion,
yet they have more rights than us.
And, we can't help it, ours is genetic. We are a genotype. We are
actually a race. We have rights. Go for them!
DP
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Roger Larsson
> "DP" <d...@destroypsychiatry.org> wrote in message
>
> news:00a8b272$0$12336$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>
> > Let us put an end to schizophrenia. I challenge any head of psychiatry to
> > go against me on this illness.
> > To make it interesting lets put our life on the line. If I lose, you own
> > my life; if you lose, I own your life and do with it as I want. What do
> > you have to lose if you believe this illness requires medication.
>
> > In a control experiment using (Self-Protection+T-Room) where the patient
> > will not be required to take any medication. Respond to this in an open
> > forum if you want to take the challange.
>
> treatment?
> Can $cientology cure schizophrenia? Answer this question!
> I know you won't - because the answer is NO.
> And yet they want to destroy those that can help the mentally ill, even
> though they cannot or will not help them.
>
> Above, the anti-psychiatry fanatic said "I own your life and do with it as I
> want."
> He be thinking as all $cientology higher-ups think of their suppressed and
> exploited followers -
Scientologists are cured from schizophrenia as disciples to the
sociopath Ron Hubbard.
DP
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On 22 Nov, 18:36, "Honest Abe" <freespe...@4ever.net> wrote:
> "DP" <d...@destroypsychiatry.org> wrote in message
>
> news:00a8b272$0$12336$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>
> > Let us put an end to schizophrenia. I challenge any head of psychiatry
> > to
> > go against me on this illness.
> > To make it interesting lets put our life on the line. If I lose, you own
> > my life; if you lose, I own your life and do with it as I want. What do
> > you have to lose if you believe this illness requires medication.
>
> > In a control experiment using (Self-Protection+T-Room) where the patient
> > will not be required to take any medication. Respond to this in an open
> > forum if you want to take the challange.
>
> So what does the cult of $cientology offer as an alternative to
> psychiatric
> treatment?
> Can $cientology cure schizophrenia? Answer this question!
> I know you won't - because the answer is NO.
> And yet they want to destroy those that can help the mentally ill, even
> though they cannot or will not help them.
Scientology.
>
> Above, the anti-psychiatry fanatic said "I own your life and do with it as
> I
> want."
> He be thinking as all $cientology higher-ups think of their suppressed and
> exploited followers -
>>Scientologists are cured from schizophrenia as disciples to the
>>sociopath Ron Hubbard.
I'm not a member of Scientology.
Peter Schilte
Schizophrenia caused by herpes simplex virus.
The virus causing herpes, the herpes simplex virus, is also a very
important cause for schizophrenia, recent research has revealed.
Medical biologist Janine Dorduin of the University Medical Centre of
the Groningen University has found strong evidence supporting a theory
from several years back that the herpes simplex virus and
schizophrenia are connected.
See also:
http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/37/1/21.1.full
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15319094
And from http://cogweb.ucla.edu/ep/Schizovirus.html
Quote:
Of the other diseases that Yolken tried to correlate with
schizophrenia -- rubella, influenza, cytomegalovirus, chlamydia, and
herpes simplex 2 (HSV-2) -- only herpes was significant. Tests showed
that mothers of schizophrenic children were 5.8 times more likely to
have antibodies to HSV-2 than mothers of the healthy controls. How
might a herpes infection contracted in the womb lead to mental illness
years later? As Yolken sees it, the age when most schizophrenics first
develop symptoms suggests exposure to some sort of "infectious agent
which has a higher rate of transmission in late adolescence and early
adulthood." Yolken hypothesizes that the herpes virus remains
quiescent in the brain until adolescence, when it is triggered by the
Epstein-Barr virus that causes mononucleosis, also known as the
kissing disease. Another theory holds that it is reactivated by
another version of itself picked up in sexual contact. How such an
infection translates into schizophrenia is still a matter of
considerable speculation. Yolken is wary of saying that herpes causes
schizophrenia. "These represent complex disorders," he says. Adding to
the complexity, Yolken thinks that other kinds of viruses also play a
role in severe mental disorders. He and Torrey have just completed a
study in which more than 17 percent of patients who recently
manifested schizophrenia had antibodies to the multiple sclerosis
retrovirus. Equally interesting to Yolken is evidence that in nearly
30 percent of recent-onset schizophrenics, endogenous retroviruses had
made copies of themselves. In both cases, the rate for the controls
was zero percent.
End of quote.
Peter
"Arthritis vanishes, myopia gets better, heart illness decreases,
asthma disappears, stomachs function properly and the whole catalogue
of illnesses goes away and stays away."
- L. Ron Hubbard, DIANETICS: THE MODERN SCIENCE OF MENTAL HEALTH, 1987
Ed., p. 72
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> Still no taker?
>
>
> --
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> "DP" <d...@destroypsychiatry.org> wrote in message
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>> Still no taker?
>>
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>> "DP" <d...@destroypsychiatry.org> wrote in message
>> news:00a8b272$0$12336$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>>> Let us put an end to schizophrenia. I challenge any head of psychiatry
>>> to go against me on this illness.
>>> To make it interesting lets put our life on the line. If I lose, you own
>>> my life; if you lose, I own your life and do with it as I want. What do
>>> you have to lose if you believe this illness requires medication.
>>>
>>> In a control experiment using (Self-Protection+T-Room) where the patient
>>> will not be required to take any medication. Respond to this in an open
>>> forum if you want to take the challange.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> www.destroypsychiatry.org
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Peter Schilte
> Still no taker?
>
> --www.destroypsychiatry.org
You are the one that poses a theory, so YOU are the one that has to
prove the theory correct, not someone else.
BTW, this was in the newspapers last week:
DP
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of sync.
If the herpes simplex virus caused schizophrenia, then all schizophrenic
would have the herpes simplex virus. I don't have ANY disease.
Schizophrenia is a medical fraud. A wicked medical fraud.
Peter Schilte
> "Peter Schilte" <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Learn to read. It says that the herpes simplex virus is ALSO a very
important cause for schizophrenia and that the herpes simplex virus
and schizophrenia are connected. It doesn't say that schizophrenics
suffer from the herpes simplex virus. It says that the mother who has
the virus has an almost 6 times higher chance to give birth to a child
who later will be schizophrenic. What it does NOT say is that all
schizophrenics are somehow related to the herpes simplex virus.
> I don't have ANY disease.
IAW, you admit you have been diagnosed to be schizophrenic.
> Schizophrenia is a medical fraud. A wicked medical fraud.
Nope. It is a mental condition. Denying it is doesn't make it go away,
nor does it make it a medical fraud.
DP
Learn to think.
> I don't have ANY disease.
>>IAW, you admit you have been diagnosed to be schizophrenic.
Any what happened to the diagnosed disease? Where did it go?
> Schizophrenia is a medical fraud. A wicked medical fraud.
>>Nope. It is a mental condition. Denying it is doesn't make it go away,
>>nor does it make it a medical fraud.
Get the head of psychiatry like Harvard to challenge me. Be the head of
psychiatry at Harvard Peter, you too can challenge me. What do you have to
lose?
Peter Schilte
Learn to read. It is all in my posts. You don't understand? Learn
English.
> > Schizophrenia is a medical fraud. A wicked medical fraud.
> >>Nope. It is a mental condition. Denying it is doesn't make it go away,
> >>nor does it make it a medical fraud.
>
> Get the head of psychiatry like Harvard to challenge me. Be the head of
> psychiatry at Harvard Peter, you too can challenge me. What do you have to
> lose?
>
> www.destroypsychiatry.org
Your answers are getting crazier and crazier. Why on earth would >I<
challenge someone for you? Why would I be the head of psychiatry at
Harvard? You claim, you challenge.
You also put up a theoretical T-Room, yet you want others to build and
test it. That is crazy: YOU test it and report the results.
Peter
"A psychiatrist today has the power to (1) take a fancy to a woman (2)
lead her to take wild treatment as a joke (3) drug and shock her to
temporary insanity (4) incarnate [sic] her (5) use her sexually (6)
sterilise her to prevent conception (7) kill her by a brain operation
to prevent disclosure. And all with no fear of reprisal. Yet it is
rape and murder. We want at least one bad mark on every psychiatrist
in England, a murder, an assault, or a rape or more than one. This is
Project Psychiatry. We will remove them."
- L. Ron Hubbard, Sec ED, Office of LRH, Confidential, 22 February
1966, "Project Psychiatry"
(Note: 44 years later the result of this campaign is zero.)
Mike Thomas
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I got the message he was proposing to debate you over schizophrenia.
Probably so he can have a Roadrunner style argument and afterwards run
around using you as an example.
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DP
doesn't cure them of anythimg. What I do doesn't require any medication and
COST nothing. I find it strange that people who are so confident of their
viewpoint refuse to take a challenge. If you know your stuff, do the
challenge. Everything else is just an excuse.
*plonk*
Peter Schilte
In most cases it is not about curing but about treating, and
medication is used as part of the treatment.
In many cases mental illnesses are not curable, only treatable.
> What I do doesn't require any medication and
> COST nothing.
Pardon? You do NOTHING! And wasn't it you that didn't make this
infamous "T-Room" because you couldn't pay it? And therefor demanded
from others to make it and test your unproved theory?
> I find it strange that people who are so confident of their
> viewpoint refuse to take a challenge.
Welcome to the real world! The world where one has to prove and test a
theory first, before it is used.
> If you know your stuff, do the
> challenge.
As you have no proof of anything, and have never tested anything,
there never can be a challenge.
> Everything else is just an excuse.
> *plonk*
You never presented any proof. Indeed: PLONK!
Peter
"The alleviation of the condition of insanity has also been
accomplished now!"
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin, November
1970, "Psychosis"
husk
> On 4 jan, 13:34, "DP" <d...@destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
> Pardon? You do NOTHING! And wasn't it you that didn't make this
> infamous "T-Room" because you couldn't pay it? And therefor demanded
> from others to make it and test your unproved theory?
First of all this is the wrong forum for you to drum up interest.
You state you are not a Scientologist. Your postings have nothing to
do with Scientology, either pro or con. Therefore those who frequent
this newsgroup have little interest in your theory even though we may
sympathize with your condition(s). Most of us just do not have
schizophrenia high on our priority list.
Here is a schizophrenia discussion group.
http://www.schizophrenia.com:8080/jiveforums/category.jspa?categoryID=3
I would suspect that you may be more successful raising funds to build
your isolation room there. I wouldn't approach them with the
"schizophrenia is a scam" opening line there. I would suggest a "My
alternate theory" opening.
Good luck, and let us know how it goes. You're getting nowhere here,
so why not try a more suitable audience.
Peter Schilte
> Let us put an end to schizophrenia. I challenge any head of psychiatry to go
> against me on this illness.
Do you think they read here?
> To make it interesting lets put our life on the line. If I lose, you own my
> life; if you lose, I own your life and do with it as I want.
This is batshit crazy.
> What do you
> have to lose if you believe this illness requires medication.
>
I don't think any read here.
> In a control experiment using (Self-Protection+T-Room) where the patient
> will not be required to take any medication.
First test it, then come back.
> Respond to this in an open
> forum if you want to take the challange.
Why would they? Because you challenge them?
You should read this:
http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-he-schizophrenia29-2009jun29,0,5289139,full.story
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>>> "DP" <d...@destroypsychiatry.org> wrote in message
>>> news:00a8b272$0$12336$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>>>> Let us put an end to schizophrenia. I challenge any head of psychiatry
>>>> to go against me on this illness.
>>>> To make it interesting lets put our life on the line. If I lose, you
>>>> own my life; if you lose, I own your life and do with it as I want.
>>>> What do you have to lose if you believe this illness requires
>>>> medication.
>>>>
>>>> In a control experiment using (Self-Protection+T-Room) where the
>>>> patient will not be required to take any medication. Respond to this in
>>>> an open forum if you want to take the challange.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> www.destroypsychiatry.org
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>
>