Japan Renames Schiz to MPD (integration disorder), dissociation, shattered selves
Anon
The shocking truth about dissociative (MPD)
disorders, is that 99% of all early dissociation patients
were originally diagnosed as schizophrenic. Even more
shocking, is that Simon posted this thread a month ago
which states that the Japanese Government has renamed
Schizophrenia Diagnosis to Integration Disorder
(MPD/dissociation).
You can go to the dissociation support forum and
talk with Astri, ask her to show you the diagnostic
criteria for dissociation. The only real difference
is that dissociative disorder is treated on the sofa,
lots of therapy to try and resolve inner conflict
between your shattered selves. Integration!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.dissociation
Cal
Anon
Miki Kocic
> Here's the news article:
>
> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1472254
Lots of meaty stuff here, but two things that would be of interest to
North Americans:
1. In Japan, as in most of the world, the patient is not necessarily
informed that s/he has an incurable disease. In large swaths of Europe
it is accepted medical practice to tell someone's mother, father,
spouse, children, etc., that the guy has terminal cancer and six
months to live, but to hide it from _him_. This is something the
article sees no need to mention because it's apparently not written
for North Americans.
2. Note this quotation: "the term conveyed the concept that
schizophrenia is a disorder defined by a clinically significant
syndrome, but not a disease defined by a specific etiology,
symptomatology, clinical course and pathological findings." It sounds
like medical bafflegab but, even to my informed layman's eyes, it's
sound medical language. It's also a rude awakening. Of course
schizophrenia is not a disease the way a physical disease is a
disease! In the past I have ranted about "the pathological model of
mental states" without myself being clear on what I was saying. This
one little sentence quoted above clarifies my own opinion for me.
Thankee, Anonymous.
Male Frances Farmer
roky
"schizophrenia is a disorder defined by a clinically significant
syndrome, but not a disease defined by a specific etiology, "
(Etiology=cause,or origin)
This is completely wrong. Just because those who study the disorder
cant find the cause doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Why believe those who
dont know?
SZ is a disease defined by a specific cause that I have explained
before and again here. What makes the cause so hard to find is that it
is something that is occurring in the present moment that the person
is doing to themselves. Yet it is so subtle that it is not easily
known.
The cause of schizophrenia is ones action of concentrating on ones
mental image of oneself as being separate from everything else. That
is it. The schizophrenic is doing this 24 hours a day without knowing
it. The ordinary person does this too but the schizophrenic does it to
a greater degree.
This seems completely backwards from everything you think you know
about consciousness. There is this presumption that the less separate
you feel the madder you must be but it is completely the opposite. As
you become more separated,or split your consciousness more, you become
more frightened,more anxious, more disturbed and very much more
stressed. This stress can then have a very negative effect on the
brain and mind as it becomes an endless loop.
The opposite of separation is oneness or non-duality, which is a state
of fearlessness or peace and love. One who has lost all sense of
separation is known as an Enlightened Being , they are without a sense
of Ego and exist in the natural state of consciousness prior to
separation.
Thus the schizophrenic is not suffering from a lack of self sense but
from too much self sense or ego. The cure for this is simply to stop
meditating on oneself constantly. But the mind cannot stop the mind as
separate consciousness. Since the natural state of consciousness is No
Mind all that is necessary is for the mind to relax into that natural
state.
If you simply observe yourself in every moment you will see that you
are always engaged in this action of separation, you are always
AVOIDING BEING ALREADY ENTIRELY IN RELATIONSHIP. Simply observe
yourself and randomly say to yourself AVOIDING RELATIONSHIP. But you
must Understand why you are doing this or it does not work. It is
based on Intelligent self observation. So read The Knee of Listening
and The Method of the Siddhas.
Everything is Arising in this State of Oneness and You are arising in
it also. Thus you can naturally return to it if you Understand that
You are the One responsible for your Separation.
Read my post The cure for Schizophrenia and the Enjoyment of
Consciousness.
Roky
Gelly
> Thus the schizophrenic is not suffering from a lack of self sense but
> from too much self sense or ego.
I attest to that this much is true.
For the cure, I am still looking for sure.
I have read a bit of these types of philosophies and sometimes they
are helpful to me, sometimes not.
I think there is a balance between the spiritual view, traditionally
Eastern, and the Western view that it is all chemical imbalance,
basically. There are middle paths, and some of them, like social
psychiatry, exist right now in modern western medicine.
I believe the answers will come someday, and that there will be a
breakthough that takes all the current views into account somehow -
spiritual, biological, social, etc.
Good day.
roky
I have read a bit of these types of philosophies and sometimes they
are helpful to me, sometimes not.
I have heard this many times. This teaching is New and Original. It is
not a variation of some other teaching. It has nothing to do with any
other teaching. If you have not studied this teaching than you do not
know it.
This teaching is the cure for schizophrenia. This teaching is not
about belief in anything. It is simply the Understanding of what you
are doing to your consciousness in every moment. You do not have to
buy anything. It is free.
Here it is:
http://www.beezone.com/AdiDa/KneeofListening/book/tableofcontents.html
So tell me everyone what is it that prevents you from considering this
cure?
Roky
rainbowguardian
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Because this guy himself looks mofo posessed and crazy. And of course my
inner voice tells me not to look at it.
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> Roky
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zerosky
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> This teaching is the cure for schizophrenia. This teaching is not
> about belief in anything. It is simply the Understanding of what you
> are doing to your consciousness in every moment. You do not have to
> buy anything. It is free.
> Here it is:
> http://www.beezone.com/AdiDa/KneeofListening/book/tableofcontents.html
>
> So tell me everyone what is it that prevents you from considering this
> cure?
>
> Roky
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Hi Roky
seems like an interesting book. at the moment I do not have the wherewithal
to read it to any depth. the spiritual life is not for everyone as Milton
would have it 'they also serve who only stand and wait'
rgds
zerosky
Miki Kocic
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> seems like an interesting book. at the moment I do not have the
> wherewithal
> to read it to any depth. the spiritual life is not for everyone as Milton
> would have it 'they also serve who only stand and wait'
If they didn't serve they wouldn't be called waiters, would they?
Miki
Judy
> "zerosky" <zero...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
I think Zerosky probably meant something like everyone's connected and
has value.
Those who stood and waited, waited for their loved ones to return
home.
Judy
zerosky
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Hi Judy...
Hope you are well, what Milton was getting at I think, was that not everyone
is either able to or inclined to, dedicate the whole of their lives on
contemplation of the divine.
its an astute observation that has parallels with passages from holy books
of many religions. in the Bhagvad Gita or 'song celestial' Arjuna is advised
by Krishna of the many ways that ordinary people can approach the godhead.
I think shows that there is more practical approach than that of the
aesthete.
The phrase itself is well known in england from the prominence that was
given to it during the second world war, where it was used to highlight the
fact that it was not only front line troops who were engaged in fight for
freedom but also those who, as you rightly point, out waited behind for
their loved ones. I believe it was prominently displayed on posters across
the country.
zerosky
George Peter Staplin
roky wrote:
> On Feb 8, 11:18 pm, Gelly <Gell...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have read a bit of these types of philosophies and sometimes they
> are helpful to me, sometimes not.
>
>
> I have heard this many times. This teaching is New and Original. It is
> not a variation of some other teaching. It has nothing to do with any
> other teaching. If you have not studied this teaching than you do not
> know it.
>
> This teaching is the cure for schizophrenia. This teaching is not
> about belief in anything. It is simply the Understanding of what you
> are doing to your consciousness in every moment. You do not have to
> buy anything. It is free.
> Here it is:
> http://www.beezone.com/AdiDa/KneeofListening/book/tableofcontents.html
Thank you. I was looking for that book online or more parts of it on
google the other day.
> So tell me everyone what is it that prevents you from considering this
> cure?
My lack of concentration and difficulty reading long things at the
moment. I start reading, get distracted by some thoughts, and then I
forget what I was thinking about. If it happens often enough I get
frustrated and lose my motivation.
> Roky
I'll probably post what I think about the The Knee of Listening
eventually.
Thank you,
George
Gelly
Liking that answer. Now I have to go look up Milton on Wikipedia?
Sometime...when making sandwiches has not depleted me...
Annie Woughman
The only thing the two disorders have in common are the fact that the names
both start with "schizo". Schizoid is basically a personality disorder.
schizophrenia is a mental disease that really needs to be treated with
proper medical care and medication.
"roky" <roky...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Psychopath
> In alt.support.schizophrenia Annie Woughman <anniewough...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> AW>Why are you cross-posting to the schizoid newsgroup about schizophrenia?
> AW>The only thing the two disorders have in common are the fact that the
> AW>names both start with "schizo". Schizoid is basically a personality
> AW>disorder. schizophrenia is a mental disease that really needs to be
> AW>treated with proper medical care and medication.
>
> Annie, are you schizoid? Because the schizoid newsgroup is dead. The
> world schizo means split, separated from, as in split-minded or separated
> of self.
>
> <chesucat twitches>
>
> Warning: "alt.support.schizoaffective" is not a valid newsgroup at this site!
depersonalization? shizo is split mind. Half atheist half, theist,
half agnostic ;)
They constantly fight each other. Who am I depends which one is in
charge!
LOVE
zerosky
"chesucat" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> In alt.support.schizophrenia Annie Woughman <anniew...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> AW>Why are you cross-posting to the schizoid newsgroup about
> schizophrenia?
> AW>The only thing the two disorders have in common are the fact that the
> AW>names both start with "schizo". Schizoid is basically a personality
> AW>disorder. schizophrenia is a mental disease that really needs to be
> AW>treated with proper medical care and medication.
>
> Annie, are you schizoid? Because the schizoid newsgroup is dead. The
> world schizo means split, separated from, as in split-minded or separated
> of self.
>
> <chesucat twitches>
>
> Warning: "alt.support.schizoaffective" is not a valid newsgroup at this
> site!
>
no fighting in the lifeboat please or we'll all drown...
zero
Science Stunted Bonsai Brain
wrote:
> Why are you cross-posting to the schizoid newsgroup about schizophrenia?
> The only thing the two disorders have in common are the fact that the names
> both start with "schizo". Schizoid is basically a personality disorder.
> schizophrenia is a mental disease that really needs to be treated with
> proper medical care and medication.
I don't think the name is the only thing the two have in common.
People with schizophrenia don't necessarily have normal personalities.
Conversely, people with personality disorders must have inhibited
brain function of some sort which may for all we know develop out of
the same root causes as that of schizophrenia.