OT - "War" ... for how long?
Michael
administration's estimates have steadily receded into the future, from many weeks
to months, to many months, to next summer, to "years"...
Today's esitmate, from the mouth of the Vice President of the U.S.?
"This campaign may never end, at least not in *our* lifetime."
--
Michael <muir...@island.net>
Peace is not the absence of war, but the universal presence of justice.
Rob
> I've said since day one that this will take decades... and the U.S.
> administration's estimates have steadily receded into the future, from many weeks
> to months, to many months, to next summer, to "years"...
Dont confuse the medias selected coverage, and what the elected
officials themselves have said. In this country many times they are
completely different.
>
> Today's esitmate, from the mouth of the Vice President of the U.S.?
>
> "This campaign may never end, at least not in *our* lifetime."
If I am not mistaken neither Bush nor the VP gave "any" timeline. I
think we will lose this war, just like vietnam. The children who will
fight this war were raised by cowards, but brainwashed by hollywood,
so we will see just how tough we are when the body bags start pilling
up.
Rob
Michael
"Rob" <robands...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Michael" <muir...@island.net> wrote in message
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> > I've said since day one that this will take decades... and the U.S.
> > administration's estimates have steadily receded into the future, from many
weeks
> > to months, to many months, to next summer, to "years"...
>
> Dont confuse the medias selected coverage, and what the elected
> officials themselves have said. In this country many times they are
> completely different.
I'm not stupid enough to listen to only one country's news. If I'm going to be
lied to, I'm going to get a diversity of lies about the same thing, and then try
to tease out the commonalities to find at least a little of the truth.
I get my radio news reports from Canada, South Africa, France, the UK, Sweden,
Finland, the Netherlands, Poland, and Australia.
I get my internet news from Canada, the UK, The US, and India.
> > Today's esitmate, from the mouth of the Vice President of the U.S.?
> >
> > "This campaign may never end, at least not in *our* lifetime."
>
>
> If I am not mistaken neither Bush nor the VP gave "any" timeline.
Nor did they even today, but what I said above is a direct quote from your Veep.
It's not a timeline, just an estimate... and he's right, too.
> I think we will lose this war, just like vietnam. The children who will
> fight this war were raised by cowards, but brainwashed by hollywood,
> so we will see just how tough we are when the body bags start pilling
> up.
When is everyone gonna clue in that there is no "this war" to win?!? "This war"
is *global*, not just in Afghanistan, and it's gonna go on for *decades*, not just
until binLoser and his buds are exterminated. Y'all gotta get used to that idea.
Your country and mine and many others are gonna be fighting this insanity for a
*very* long time to come. The only question in my mind is whether they'll do it
wisely at all and wind it up with the world still intact, or whether they'll fuck
it (and *us*) up.
Tony Blair said it more clearly than Mr. Bush has had the balls to even *hint* at:
"We are prepared for global conflict on whatever scale is necessary, and we will
pay any price to win."
He's not kidding, even if he *is* just a sock puppet with an attitude.
Gordon Couger
> administration's estimates have steadily receded into the future, from
many weeks
> to months, to many months, to next summer, to "years"...
>
> Today's esitmate, from the mouth of the Vice President of the U.S.?
>
> "This campaign may never end, at least not in *our* lifetime."
> --
That's how he made his name Vlad the Impaler by sticking Moslems up on
sticks.
It won't ever end. We will get it under reasonable control but it will break
out from time to time as long as there are fundamentalist on either side
left. We haven't really poked them with a stick in a while but it really
pissed them off when we recognized and armed Israel. They didn't like being
used as pawns in our game with Russia much either. They aren't going to like
the way we play them off against each other to try to get a stable
government in Afghanistan either.
Of course if we did every thing they asked they would be at war with each
other in a short time. Far right fundamentalist thinking and ignorance is
bomb waiting to go off. We have the same problems to a lesser degree right
here in the US. If you don't think so visit you local KKK meeting. They are
still there and they are much more dangers today than 40 years ago. To day
they have the first amendment behind them and the internet to troll for like
minded folks.
Branding the KKK, Telaban, Nazis and such as evil is a serious mistake. They
every one have more or less logical reasons for what they believe. Or they
did when they started out before they turned into a mob. I am not a member
of the Klan but I have friends that are. Most are older and inactive but
they believe in white power and you won't change their mind. And there are a
lot of them in the south and mid west. The don't go to meetings any more but
they are there with their philosophy and voting republican every time. You
would truly be surprised who is or has been a KKK member in many towns an in
politics and have made good businessmen and politicians. Just because that
they don't like the other races it doesn't mean that they cut off their nose
to spite their face. The black mans money is a good as anyone else's.
But something causes a problem and things can blow up in a hurry.
--
Gordon
Gordon Couger
Stillwater, OK
www.couger.com/gcouger
cocobunny
really quite sick of seeing this discussed here too.
I kill file every single thread, but now find myself getting pissed off
just seeing all the new threads appear.
Michael? Go find yourself a war newsgroup, and take it out of here. You
seem to be the one who starts most of this shit.
jdgargoyle
For info on this subject a couple are
alt.current-events.wtc-explosion
alt.security.terrorism
alt.terrorism.wold-trade-center
So, for any interested....conversations are hopping there on this topic.
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Take Care : )
JulieD
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Shell
simplistic, but that's the problem people hating other people. It's been
going on for centuries. I don't understand, I'll never understand.
Take Care Shell :>(
Shell
die hard republican, I voted for John McCain in the primary and Gore in
the end.)
The powers that be, said from the start that the war on terrorism would
be an ongoing process and would not end with Bin Laden's demise.
BTW, I'm a coward and will not let my sons take part in a war on
foreign soil when they have enough to fight for right here in the good
ole USA.
Did you have to fight school violence, child molesters, thugs with guns,
did you have to worry about when you would have food again?
Yeah kids in the USA have it so....easy.
And yes, there are poor starving people in the USA. Believe it. I know
first hand,
I spent my teen yrs. homeless right here in the USA. No food, hiding in
unlocked cars, scared to death.
But of course I'm spoiled now. Wait a minute, just heard the mail truck
pull up, gotta put on my haz mat suit, there's a crop duster, think I'll
wait a couple minutes before going to the mailbox and tell the kids to
hide in the basement. 'Livin in the USA'
Sad Shell :>(
Rob
> > completely different.
>
> I'm not stupid enough to listen to only one country's news. If I'm going to be
> lied to, I'm going to get a diversity of lies about the same thing, and then try
> to tease out the commonalities to find at least a little of the truth.
LOL, even doing that its a tough one.
>
> I get my radio news reports from Canada, South Africa, France, the UK, Sweden,
> Finland, the Netherlands, Poland, and Australia.
>
> I get my internet news from Canada, the UK, The US, and India.
>
> > > Today's esitmate, from the mouth of the Vice President of the U.S.?
> > >
> > > "This campaign may never end, at least not in *our* lifetime."
> >
> >
> > If I am not mistaken neither Bush nor the VP gave "any" timeline.
>
> Nor did they even today, but what I said above is a direct quote from your Veep.
> It's not a timeline, just an estimate... and he's right, too.
>
> > I think we will lose this war, just like vietnam. The children who will
> > fight this war were raised by cowards, but brainwashed by hollywood,
> > so we will see just how tough we are when the body bags start pilling
> > up.
>
> When is everyone gonna clue in that there is no "this war" to win?!? "This war"
> is *global*, not just in Afghanistan, and it's gonna go on for *decades*, not just
> until binLoser and his buds are exterminated.
In my mind, what we, the US, is trying to do, is to exterminate any
person that holds a different viewpoint than the owners of the
American media. Thats who declared the end of the vietnam war... the
media! Its who declared WAR! the media. They had WAR on every thing
you could see, hear, or read, before our president was even allowed to
return to DC. (the Secret service held him against his wishes) but
thats their job, but it unwittingly gave the owners of the media the
opportunity to pre-empt anything he might have said, and instead he
was slowly rolled towards this absurd "war", stance.
If we actually do go to war with the country of Afganistan, we will
lose. The only way to win is to throw as much money as we can at
them. Payolla! Thats how and why most wars are started and ended to
begin with anyways. Lets just throw some money at them. It keeps
Egypt from vaporizing the jews of Israel, maybe itll somehow bring
this war to an end before it actually starts.
Y'all gotta get used to that idea.
> Your country and mine and many others are gonna be fighting this insanity for a
> *very* long time to come. The only question in my mind is whether they'll do it
> wisely at all and wind it up with the world still intact, or whether they'll fuck
> it (and *us*) up.
My personel opinion is that unless some serious diplomatic handball
starts now, and I mean right now, this world is in for a world of
hurt. The best chance we have is to pull completely out of the
mid-east, let things come to a boil, then wait. Most people, actually
I could almost say all people, want peace, they want to live the way
they want to live without anyone telling them different. Peace and
freedom seems to rise to the top when you dont have money involved.
Soon as some chap with his financial interests enters the picture,
whoops, there went your, my, and their, freedoms. It is all about
money, always has been, always will be.
>
> Tony Blair said it more clearly than Mr. Bush has had the balls to even *hint* at:
> "We are prepared for global conflict on whatever scale is necessary, and we will
> pay any price to win."
>
> He's not kidding, even if he *is* just a sock puppet with an attitude.
Tony Blair is full of shit. As long as he can spout off and yap, yap,
yap, and never actualy do anything, he can say anything he wants
because he knows he will never have to live up to all of his empty
rhetoric and promises. He is a great orator, but England wont do a
thing. They want a greater mid-east presence just like Israel,
russia, and the media. It will be the USs blood that finally shows
them that America is not up for it.
Dont you find it interesting that two jewish israelis were caught
trying to bomb and assasinate the entire Parliment (or whatever) of
Mexico, and their President as well, and it never, ever, even, for one
second made news on any of the jewish owned media outlets?
We need to tread lighlty with our views of reality, expesially when
our only input is from corrupt sources. JMHO in anycase.
Rob
Pam Stauffer
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Michael
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> Hear! Hear! I blocked Rob so all I see is Michael arguing with himself.
Which has just *got* to be about as dull as dishwater. <G>
Point taken, people. I'll shut up for a while and listen instead. :-)
--
Michael <muir...@island.net>
Peace is not the absence of war, but the universal presence of justice.
Rob
> It will end when hate ends. Yep, could be a long long time. Pretty
> simplistic, but that's the problem people hating other people.
The problem isnt hate. Its greed. Greed allows the media to stir up
the neccessary social hatred that gains for them, the owners of the
media, the neccessary social movement and opinion of the masses that
sends us into a war.
Money is always the motive, religion is the tool of those with the
money.
Just look how the media is trying so hard to push us into war, to push
us into justifying racial profileing, to justify limiting freedoms
that are inherent and not to be granted, nor taken away by man. I
believe our founders called these "inalienable" rights. Those with
the money, those that control all of the US' media, the same people
who financed the russian revolution and gave us the great and noble
USSR in which we had to smuggle in bibles under threat of death, those
that now run Israel are the ones running the show and they are the
ones who will make the money off of the deaths of soldiers on all
sides, and they will be the first to ask you to give up your
"inalienable" rights. The very rights that millions upon millions
have died and been killed for. Youll willingly give up your rights,
for THEIR benefit.
All for money and powers sake. They show, and tell, us what to
think, and like blind fools always unwilling to second guess our
perception of reality we step in line, and follow lock, stock, and
barrel.
You notice how they play, play, and replay the few scenes of riots in
the mid-east, and dont show you how they kill, bulldoze and destroy on
a daily basis the homes, farms, and companies owned by palestinians.
Do you notice how they delve deeply into the beliefs, practices, and
histories of ALL religions... except theirs. All religions are open
to examination... all except judaism. If you so much as look into
what the conservative and orthodox jews believe, you are immediately
branded as an anti-semite. (which is absurd to begin with since
"semite" refers to the area and its languages, not to any ethnicity or
religion at all) Anyways, this is all about money and power and
greed. Religion is simply a powerfull emotional tool that helps
people de-humanize and rationalize the senceless killing of others.
It's been
> going on for centuries. I don't understand, I'll never understand.
> Take Care Shell :>(
It is all about power, money, greed. Always has been, always will be.
Those in charge of shaping public opinion are the very same ones that
are greedy, want more power, and pray to their god for, and create
situations that, garner them more money.
Just watch over the next few weeks and months how the media
conveniantly discovers new passages in the Koran that are "anti"
christian and "anti" judaeist, but not a single word, not one, ever,
will be spoken explaining the beliefs of those who practice judaism.
If you want to find out what is really going on, find out the true
beliefs of the three religions, then see whether those that proclaim
themselves to be practitioners of such faiths, actualy practice what
they believe.
Youll find that most that claim to be a practitioner of a particular
religion actually do, both in thought and behavior, follow the basic
principles of their respective religions.
Christianity teaches forgiveness, understanding, compasion and love of
fellow man, regardless of faith. But its been used by the ruling
elite to justify wholesale murderous wars.
Much the same with Islam.
Judaism teaches that its ok to lie, that somebody elses land was
magically given to them by some god, that they are the master race,
that they, and only they, are gods chosen people, that they can kill
any non-jew and its ok, that they can and "should" kill all non-jews,
that only they are humans, that all things not owned by another jew
can be taken by subterfuge or con-artistry... I could go on
forever... really. Its a truly disgusting religion, and its those in
power that claim to be practitioners of this religion that control
Americas mass media, and thus opinion. They believe and teach that
they are both intelectually and genetically superior to all goyim
(non-jews) They teach that all women that are raped by a jew must be
killed, and since the shiksa that was raped isnt even human, then
there isnt anything for the rapist to be punished for. It, to them,
is as if a pig or cow had been raped, rather than a fellow female
human being. Isnt that a lovely religion? If youre raped by a jew,
its all judaists duty to kill the rape victim because thru "her" the
rapist might get into trouble.
I implore all people to investigate into the religion of the judaists.
But watch out, its also in their religion that all non-jewish and
thus non-human, goyim (thats us) should be killed for looking into
their religion. In fact its taught that any jew teaching a goyim
about judaism should be killed as well. Thats why some of the people
I admire the most in the whole of the world are all ex-jews who have
come out and exposed the jewish religion for what it is. They arent
just putting themselves in danger, they are putting the lives of their
parents, children, spouse, and siblings on the line as well. That
shows to me a great moral decision that must have been hard to make on
their part.
Just take notice how much the media will talk about the beliefs of
Islam, and not give you one word about the beliefs of the judaists.
Just keep watch, and take notice. It will become evident rather
quickly. Especially if you know even the slightest bit about the
beliefs of the jews.
Its no mistake that while comprising 97 percent of all the populations
of England, Canada, and America, non-jews own and or control less than
10% of the media. (meaning an astonashing 90% or more is controlled
by a segment comprising less than 3% of our populations... the
practitioners of the judaean faith) Its also no coincidence that it
is illegal in both England and Canada to even discuss the jewish
religion. You, Paul, Liz etc... can all go to jail simply for
entering this discusion. That is how powerful they have become. And
you (not you in particular) have been trained so well, so fully
indoctrinated, so brainwashed and afraid of being ostrasized that you
will willingly comply with your masters commands. I can conclusively
prove it. Just watch what happens if someone in England or Canada
tries to look into judaism and then talk about it here in this NG.
Youll be arrested, hauled before the court, fined and then imprisoned.
Its a fact.
Can you think of any other "religion" that has that much machiavilian
power in so called "free" countries? I cant.
Rob
hantayo
O.T. at the head of the thread. I have noticed that you, on the other hand,
forget to do that. <g>
Kathy K.
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needs consumers when you've got tax payers and insider trading.
War for profit its the American way.
Gato Loco
On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:11:14 -0700, "Michael" <muir...@island.net>
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Peace be upon you
Gato Loco
Shell
think she was just jokin' and takin a poke a rob. 'Can't we all just get
along' ;>)
Shell
Michael
"Shell" <smi...@epix.net> wrote in message news:3BD5B99A...@epix.net...
> No, No, Michael, I'm pretty sure that's not what Pam meant. Is it Pam? I
> think she was just jokin' and takin a poke a rob. 'Can't we all just get
> along' ;>)
Whether Pam's serious or not, I've been obsessing over this stuff (in my own way,)
and a gentle poke in the ribs to nudge me off course is a lot easier on me a swat
over the head with a sock full of quarters to stop me in my tracks.
Real life contains more than just the ugly bits... so I'm going out for a walk on
the cold, sunny seashore. Beats hell outta listening to the news.
Carole Ford
events in the world. What is happening to us is scary but we don't escape reality by
ignoring it. I hope those that don't want to hear about terrorists on asms are finding
information in other ways. Our contribution in the fight can be by knowledge &
alertness. Each of us need to be aware enough to take care of ourselves & our
families.
Actual MS threads: Humor is good & I wouldn't want to see it stop. BUT, would it be
possible to let serious questions be discussed before taking the thread off into jokes
about other things. I have been interested in threads but finally gave up & marked
them as read because I was tired of wading through the silliness to get to the ms
info.
If a few can request & silence war talk, then would a few also be willing to be
considerate of actual ms threads? Maybe add O.T. when you respond with a joke?
Finally Michael, politcal dissension isn't popular right now. The right to dissent is
part of democracy. Please continue writing with an O.T. and those opposed can ignore
the threads. Continue the walks....but continue with being a concerned person.
Carole
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little optimissom never hurts.... dory
Michael
I'm not quitting, just taking (and giving others) a needed break, that's all.
It's precisely *because* political dissent is so important to democracy that I
speak up as I do. Quite besides that, it's important for information to be
passed around... we all can't be listening to everything at once, so it's
important to share what we find out.
'Nuff sed. I'm not dead yet, so I won't shut up for long. Of that, I think you
can be sure. :-)
The sun went away, though. The "nice walk" turned out to be a brief grocery run
on the bike... it's blowing like hell and pouring cats and dogs out there, but the
cat and dog need fed, so I had to go get get them their (ahem) fodder. Cub
enjoyed the time out running in the rain, at least. <G>
Ran into a friend I by the dock whom haven't seen in months, and he passed me a
packed, dehydrated pint-jar each of chanterelles and sliced crab-apples. The
crab apples are just like chewy, sour candy. YUM! Maybe some time soon, I'll
build a venisonburger-and-shroomie pizza for supper!
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Michael <muir...@island.net>
Peace is not the absence of war, but the universal presence of justice.
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Uninformed Medically
> Fear not, Carole... I said I was gonna listen and not spout "for a while".
>
> I'm not quitting, just taking (and giving others) a needed break, that's
all.
> It's precisely *because* political dissent is so important to democracy
that I
> speak up as I do. Quite besides that, it's important for information to
be
> passed around... we all can't be listening to everything at once, so it's
> important to share what we find out.
>
We have had occasions in Australia where our Federal Govt has been less than
lenient towards our democratic rights, though such rights are not enshrined
in law here as they are in USA. One such time was when our founding fathers
for Federation, which occurred in 1901, drew up the Australian Constitution.
They actually said things which would preclude Australian indigenous from
rights. It was the major reason why New Zealand, which was toying with the
idea of being a state of Australia, decided to go it alone and good on them
for doing so.
Another case was the infamous shearers strike in the 50s. I cant remember
the exact year but the Australian Govt actually got the Army in on the act.
When the strike was finally over, the leaders of the union covering shearers
said it wasnt for the money and forgive my incorrect wording but the
sentiment was it was done for the bloody insult.
I have been interested in things such as uprisings against governments and
why they occur and apart from intervention by other countries which may have
started the ball rolling, the answer came to me from my own feelings which
surprised me. I tried to put myself in the position of a person living in a
country where the rights we see as everyday and dont really think about are
things not allowed. I felt my own anger rising and I knew, then and there,
that if such a situation occurred in my lifetime in this country, I would be
amongst the fighters on the front line. No doubt with the shakes I get, I
could fire a 303 like a machine gun! You know what surprised me even more?
The fact that I would fight till the wrong was righted or I died. I had to
go back over that as I doubted my own feelings but it was there. In my own
opinion, that is the way it is with people used to democracy who arent
afraid to speak out. No matter which country they live in, they will fight
if they are pushed too far in order to restore those rights. Maybe 1 or 2
years ago, a politician in USA put up a bill to try and control Internet in
USA meaning it would be severely restricted. There was such a howl of
protest that it never made it and I doubt it ever would out in the open at
least. Only now with the NYC and Washington terror attacks are they actually
getting some leeway into controlling Internet but when people in USA feel
safe once more, watch the result. Those Govt imposed restrictions being
allowed now will be thrown out again.
UM.
John Smith
removal of Whitlam by Menzies in the 50`s and the virtual declaration
of martial law based on some ancient Commonwealth law dragged from the
archives
by the Governor General.. Shortly after Menzies tried to move in on the
queen
when he was drunk. John Pilger covered it well in his tome "A country such
as this" or
"Heroes".
A few weeks previously the US Ambassador was replaced by a guy
called Green. Anytime he showed up the government of that country was
overthrown
within weeks. He had a lot of notches on his belt......Diem and Pinochet
were two of his
creations. Menzies went on to volunteer Australia as the premier neuclear
testin ground
in the Pacific region and sold Pine Valley to the US for one corn ear in his
famous speech.
Australia immediately became a prime nuclear target.
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ed hill
rob
take your anti semetic shit elswhere.
we have enough to deal with here in terms of diseased brains.
ed
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Uninformed Medically
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> You left out the biggest one of all there Uninformed........what about the
> removal of Whitlam by Menzies in the 50`s and the virtual declaration
Whitlam wasnt removed by Menzies. In 1975, Whitlam was removed by John Kerr,
Governor General and the caretaker prime minister, Malcolm Fraser,
installed. In fact it was 11/11/75.
> of martial law based on some ancient Commonwealth law dragged from the
> archives
There was no declaration of martial law when Whitlam was removed at all.
> by the Governor General.. Shortly after Menzies tried to move in on the
> queen
> when he was drunk. John Pilger covered it well in his tome "A country such
> as this" or
> "Heroes".
Well, he either reported it very badly or it was printed very badly.
> A few weeks previously the US Ambassador was replaced by a guy
> called Green. Anytime he showed up the government of that country was
> overthrown
> within weeks. He had a lot of notches on his belt......Diem and Pinochet
> were two of his
> creations. Menzies went on to volunteer Australia as the premier neuclear
> testin ground
> in the Pacific region and sold Pine Valley to the US for one corn ear in
his
> famous speech.
> Australia immediately became a prime nuclear target.
Pine Gap actually and we werent exactly volunteered. The British decided we
WERE a nuclear testing site.
UM.
ed hill
mike
don't shut up.
dissent is important and all the more so when media are so obviously following the party/corporate line.
the cdc and feds are lying therough their teeth and it's costing lives. aparrently not important lives though. just postal
workers.
this inhaled "weapons grade' anthrax that's supposed to require nobel biochemists and multibillion dollar labs and equiptment
to spread seems to me to be the same crap they've put in the other envelopes but it's been put through a sophisticated system
called a MORTER and PESTLE. $10 at any chemistry supply house.
bio terrorism is garage scale tech. big science. step 1.dig up a dead cow...
we need to stop thnking in terms of the last few wars which could be won with bombs and jets.
the only good being done by bombing afganistan is to the folks selling the bombs.
except maybe to help bin laden start his jihad. this is exactly the response he wanted. bringing on this attack was the sole
purpose of the sept 11 slaughters.
not one terrorist incident will be prevented by bombing and another generation of hatred will be born. even better we are
grooming another field of scum in the northern alliance. is it that we are too stupid to learn or is the constant warfare
simply too profitable to bring an end too? soon as it looks profitable the northern alliance will turn our weapons against
another generation of our own kids. and those kids on both sides will be carrying weapons bought from the same profiteers
driving this little dust up.
the current raids are just a means of raiding the SS trust funds for mr. bushes family, freinds, and contributors. they serve
no other earthly purpose. there are better ways, cheaper and more effective ways of grabbing these basterds. think bribes.
big fat bribes which would be less than a cent on the dollar compared to these killing sprees.
i strongly urge you to check this site out.
this guy is no crank. he's got serious credentials and writes intelligently from a very clear, well supported position.
http://www.rmbowman.com/ssn/index.htm
why do so many in that part of the world approve of bin laden's mass murders? are they inherently addled or evil?
not fucking likely. there's a lot more to this than cnn, fox news or abc is going to say.
and don't bother saying i'm apologizing for bin laden. that's bullshit.
i think he'd look fine in a wood chipper.
best regards
ed
"Michael" <muir...@island.net> writes:
--
cocobunny
Make up your minds on a header. I have to open this crap to kill it.
Or better yet. Take this inflammatory topic out of a health support
newsgroup and discuss this topic in an appropriate forum.
Anyone who wants to read about this is quite capable of finding a newsgroup
that discusses it.
Or is it because you have a captive audience?
I'm not alone on this. The number of private responses I got last time I
asked you all to move this to an appropriate forum speaks volumes.
buh bye
plonk.
Rob
> "Michael" <muir...@island.net> wrote in message
> news:9qvrob$p22p9$1...@ID-78693.news.dfncis.de...
> > I've said since day one that this will take decades... and the U.S.
> > administration's estimates have steadily receded into the future, from
> many weeks
> > to months, to many months, to next summer, to "years"...
> >
> > Today's esitmate, from the mouth of the Vice President of the U.S.?
> >
> > "This campaign may never end, at least not in *our* lifetime."
> > --
> It has been going on in the Balkans since before Count Dracula's time.
> still there and they are much more dangers today than 40 years ago. To day
> they have the first amendment behind them and the internet to troll for like
> minded folks.
I have a common faith that holds for my view of all people, that
whatever their background, when confronted with the undeniable truth,
that every persons innate ethics win out. I honestly believe that
however rudely the truth is thrust in someones face, that they will
see it for the truth, rather than hysterically closing their eyes and
running headfirst into a light pole. #BONK$!!
Scientific progress will be the death of racism, the KKK, aryan
nations, white supremists, yada, yada. But it wont be the end of
bigotry. Bigotry is created thru culture and media. I have gay
freinds, although I argue like hell with them everytime they start
spouting "we should be able to get married" crap, Im not bigoted
towards them. I dont even agree that they were "born" that way. I
have more respect for them when they say, "this is a decision we have
made and fuck off if you dont like it". I can deal with that, what I
cant deal with is some moron telling me, and calling me a bigot simply
because I dont agree with their perception of reality. I "am" a bigot
towards any idiot with a bass boomin blastin car that rattles my
windows. Flat out, in your face, get the hell out of here, type of
bigot. Common manners have disapeared from some childrens upbringing,
and being no slouch, I confront just about anyone anytime I please. I
am a proud bigot towards behavior, but not perceptions, I suppose.
What was I talking about? Hm... quick, somone find me a beer! :^)
>
> Branding the KKK, Telaban, Nazis and such as evil is a serious mistake. They
> every one have more or less logical reasons for what they believe. Or they
> did when they started out before they turned into a mob. I am not a member
> of the Klan but I have friends that are. Most are older and inactive but
> they believe in white power and you won't change their mind. And there are a
> lot of them in the south and mid west. The don't go to meetings any more but
> they are there with their philosophy and voting republican every time. You
> would truly be surprised who is or has been a KKK member in many towns an in
> politics and have made good businessmen and politicians. Just because that
> they don't like the other races it doesn't mean that they cut off their nose
> to spite their face. The black mans money is a good as anyone else's.
>
> But something causes a problem and things can blow up in a hurry.
Yep. I find racism to be ignorant. BUT, I think people confuse
culturism (is that even a word?) with racism. I cant say Im real
comfortable with certain cultural leanings of certain groups, but even
then, you cant judge everyone within "that" culture on a broad belief
about the culture in general. There are just too many mistakes to be
made. So it comes all the way back to the individual, his behavior,
and whether you agree or disagree with the behavior.
OK, Im rambling. I have freinds who are racists, homophobes,
homosexuals, christian right wing wackos, left leaning
pinko-commy-liberal socialistic democrats, druggies, upstanding
christians, supremist jews, catholics, protestants, atheists, you name
it, and I consider every one of them to be "good" people. I wouldnt
be freinds with them otherwise. Virtually no one can escape the
influence of their past, I cant, so why should we hate others for
being exactly what they were created to be, when we cant even change
ourselves unless something astonishing happens? Ok, I really am
rambling, people learn about judaism and you will know exactly why we
were bombed and are now in a "war".
Rob
Mona
on as well - seemed to be when a particular person was posting to a thread?
Not positive who but had my suspicions...
--
Laura
"cocobunny" <coco...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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jdgargoyle
Huh? I use Outlook Express 6 and only see the same header....appropriate
for the topic.
Re: OT - "War" ... for how long?
What are you seeing?
--
Take Care : )
JulieD
Happiness is 9/10ths perception
and
1/10th reality - - Unknown
"cocobunny" <coco...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Carole Ford
Shell
you very much, but I catch your drift.
I hope you enjoy your walk, I keep trying to talk my husband into
letting me go down to Sanibel and pick shells, hence the sobriquet. I
love warm weather and it's supposed to snow this weekend, yuk. Cest la
vie.
Take Care Shell
Shell
Take Care Shell
Rob
> rob
>
> take your anti semetic shit elswhere.
Im neither anti-semitic (shich is a misnomer) nor anti-jewish. I am
pro education. I am simply talking about the beliefs of orthodox and
conservative judaism. You can draw your own conclusions about the
religions on your own. If you have the same ethical and moral
standards that most people have, youll find you conclusions will be
the same as virtually everyone who looks into the beliefs of judaism.
Examining and understanding what another religion teaches about
people who dont practice that particular religion, doesnt make anyone
an "anti-semite" it just simply makes them educated. You, to an O or
C judaist, arent even an human being. You have no rights. Youre
simply an animal here to serve them and their needs. Thats why
Israelis can kill muslims and christians with impunity. They, to
them, are simply ridding the world of vermin. Instead of speaking
from a standpoint of pure ignorance you might want to look into what
the religion teaches, rather than behaving like a well trained sheep
and doing the bidding of your past conditioning.
Ever see schindlers list? Ever wonder why all of the jewish women
were bald? It wasnt because of lice my pal, its because, exactly as
in islam, they consider it a sin worthy of death to show their hair to
other men. The wacked nazis could have cared less if anyone had lice,
but they were kind enough to give the female jewish residents of the
internment camps razors so that they could shave their heads. Learn
some history, dont allow your past ignorance about religion and
history make an ass out of yourself. Can you imagine a neurotic
country losing a battle for their very lives, but worrying so much
about the jewish women getting lice and cooties that they took the
time and energy to shave their heads everyday? And these were women
who were destined to die anyways? The present perception of what
occured doesnt stand up to logical reasoning or the factual truth.
We can argue about MS all day long, or any of the other odd notions I
have, but religion and history are not on the list of smart things to
do. I know the religious teachings of most every religion inside and
out. Judaism is just one of them. Now keep in mind that there is a
great movement within judaism that I am very proud to be a part of,
but its small, and heavily smothered. If your only information you
have ever been exposed to is from the tv and school, well, you have no
information whatsoever, you have propaganda. Fed to you by those that
own the media, and the publishing houses. Pick up a book by Robert
Freidman, or Israel Shahak, or many, many, countless jewish authors
who have put their very lives on the line to expose the evil and
duplicity that is within judaism. Exactly like Winston Churchill said
in the 1920s when they are good they are very good, and when they are
bad... nothing on earth can compare.
there is a struggle as we speak, at this very moment, to control the
internet, that struggle is being waged by practitioners of the
judaistic faith, and no one else. When you start seeing limits to
your speech, when you start realizing that virtually everywhere you
go, everything you read, everything you type, can be monitered, and
then if neccessary 20 yrs down the road be used as evidence against
you, you will then learn the importance of retaining our rights. And
thus you will have learned, in retrospect, the importance of educating
yourself now, while you can, before its to late. Judaism is one of
the best religions on earth in regard to family, culture, devotion,
compasion, but it can also rise to heigths of horror unimagined by
christian minds.
20 million orthodox christians exterminated by the jews of Russia ed.
Twenty MILLION. Thats the documented figure, the esitmates go much,
much, much higher. Up to 80 million. learn some history. Learn it
from jews themselves. But dont for a moment denigrate me for speaking
the factual truth, dont for one second defame me by calling me an
"anti-semite", dont even attempt to insult me by calling what I write
hate speech. Ive no interest at all in distorting the religions of
others, ive no interest in stirring up hatred, Ive no interests in non
factual matters. Only the truth. And if you cant handle the truth,
like you been trained by society to be incapable of handling, then you
are less of a man than I though you were.
MS is a shitty enough disease to deal with, but being so afraid of
the truth as to hide from it, and vainly attempt to limit others
exposute to the truth, is beneath you. I would say to look it up on
the internet, but this is a nest of fools in this regard. Im sure
somewhere out here there is an honest accounting of judaism and what
it is, but Ive never come accrosed it, nor had the time to wade
through all the wacko BS that is the majority of the stuff out here.
So I wouldnt know. I do have to say that this has been an education
for me in that I had no idea so many people were as ill-informed as
they are.
Judaism makes Ultra-fundamentalist Islam look like the easter bunny.
I know of no other religion that intentionally kills civilions,
practices god given supremacy over the rest of mankind, and owns the
outlets to information in a ratio that is physically impossible in
terms of population and demographics. If you actualy took a look, you
would be disgusted. But you wont. Youve been trained not too, so you
wont. I can bet everything I own on it. We are sheep in that regard.
Our conditioning is so powereful that we cant even look to the left,
even though we can hear the train coming, we are afraid to look, and
thus confirm our eventual fate. We would all rather keep our heads
buried in the sand, rather than see what awaits us.
>
> we have enough to deal with here in terms of diseased brains.
>
> ed
To me, the topic of religion, is far more important than whether I
have MS or not, its more important than whether I die or not. We hold
the freedom of our future progeny in our hands, and by scrunching our
eyes shut out of fear, and/or fear of ostracism, we betray our
offspring, we abandon mankind, we rip ourselves from our national duty
to retain freedom at any and all costs, and willingly hand over
ourselves and our decendants to what is refered to in the New
Testament... as... Satan itself. The anti-christs are among us ed.
This is no joke. What the hell do you think this war in the mid-east
is all about? Its about Israel, and the highjacking of a religion by
criminal, financial thugs that will stop at nothing to dominate, as
their god promised them.
I could care less whether G-d exists or not, I could care less. But I
do care about humanity, and Israel is why we were bombed, its why we
are in a war, its why we are killing innocent civilians, its why our
nation is being poisoned thru the mail, its why our trade centers were
destroyed, its why thousands of people were killed in a matter of
hours. Its because of Israel and our foreign policy, that steals
money from you and me, so that practioners of the judaistic faith can
kill, steal, and bulldoze honest christian and muslim homes in
palestine. thats what this is all about and nothing else. Stop
kidding yourself and look up Israel shahak on the internet or
something. I posted passeges from one of his books here on this NG.
(Of course, if I remember, I had to dig it up from some wacked racist
site) This issue is more important than whether we have MS or not,
its more important than whether we live or die, the consequences of
Americas cowardice will be final and absolute unless we have the
intelectual and emotional strength to overcome our conditioning and
simply take the time to look into the religion.
Rob
Rant mode off. Usually I enjoy debate. I have the most respect for
those that speak there mind the strongest, regardless of opinion, but
on this issue it is very important. We may end up in a nuclear war
simly because of ignorance and cowardic on our parts. The results of
which could enslave mankind till the end of time. just plug your nose
and l e a r n !
John Smith
really
lies.........
"Uninformed Medically" <madm...@thishastoberemoved.ozbytes.net.au> wrote in
message news:3bd6461f$0$8346$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
Linda Anchell
the need to write something which is going to be very unpopular. If
there isn't an OT in front of the subject line, at least the subject
is obvious.
Steve Nelson posted a "Letter to the Editor (re:Afganistan)" from a
pastor to world newspapers. Its a comment in response to September
11th, but things have been happening in October that cannot be
ignored. I have visited both Afghanistan (thirty years ago) and the
USA. I would not choose to live in either country. Many people find
both of these nations are home. Many have had to flee Afghanistan as
refugees and even more are now fleeing the bombing and war which is
raining down upon them. (as well as drought and winter and empty aid
stores.)
As an Australian, I am also implicated in that action. No matter what
I might do to protest, I will be seen as a small and insignificant
minority. But I plead with us in this world alliance against terrorism
to read that letter from Charles Stanley (posted by Steve Nelson) and
think about who the bully is now.
Now I need to go out into the spring sunshine and feed some
apple to the skinks and see the blue wrens. Those walks on the beach,
throwing snowballs, and enjoying what is around us is our best
response to terrorism!
Linda
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:52:21 -0700, Carole Ford <cf...@ftconnect.com>
wrote:
>For those who missed the original post.
>
>Carole Ford wrote:
>
>> Michael, A nice walk on the sunny seashore can be balanced with an interest in the
>> events in the world. What is happening to us is scary but we don't escape reality by
>> ignoring it
---------snipped-------
>> Finally Michael, politcal dissension isn't popular right now. The right to dissent is
>> part of democracy. Please continue writing with an O.T. and those opposed can ignore
>> the threads. Continue the walks....but continue with being a concerned person.
>> Carole
>>
>> Michael wrote:
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~lindafrd/
remove JUNK from address to reply
John Smith
media
and being driven by their headline grabbing bull. I saw a democrat being
interviewed on
C4 tonight and was pleasantly surprised by his line. He`s said to be the
only elected democrat on Capitol
hill. He was incensed at the failure of drugs companies to respond to the
new war with lower prices and
increased abx production. He stated that the drugs business is the largest
single lobby group on the
hill by far. He also agreed that South Africa and Brazil were indeed
justified and right to
breach international patents where the security/stability of the nation is
involved..........i.e. re. the AIDS crisis.
I cant recall this guys name but he certainly sounded strange for a
senator............most of
them are well bought by interested parties. Maybe they missed this guy when
they sent
out the cheques.
what does weaponised mean.........anyone?
"ed hill" <eh...@world.std.com> wrote in message
news:GLp22...@world.std.com...
>
> mike
>
> don't shut up.
>
> dissent is important and all the more so when media are so obviously
following the party/corporate line.
>
> the cdc and feds are lying therough their teeth and it's costing lives.
aparrently not important lives though. just postal
> workers.
>
> this inhaled "weapons grade' anthrax that's supposed to require nobel
biochemists and multibillion dollar labs and equiptment
> to spread seems to me to be the same crap they've put in the other
envelopes but it's been put through a sophisticated system
> called a MORTER and PESTLE. $10 at any chemistry supply house.
>
> bio terrorism is garage scale tech. big science. step 1.
>
Uninformed Medically
> Well you know the details and the implications regarding where the power
> really
> lies.........
>
Not the way you told it. You had the whole thing wrong and the implication
drawn from it was just wrong, too.
UM.
ed hill
eliz
love ya.
but you rival the best here as far as off topic chatter.
some wanna chatter 'bout personal silliness and others politics.
not so different really in the long run.
best
ed
cocobunny <coco...@shaw.ca> writes:
>buh bye
>plonk.
ed hill
you assume a lot.
it's not that i think judeism ok or not. it's that i find the entire concept of religion, personal or collective. organized
or not, repulsive and indefensible.
it's your singling one out for your rants i find idiotic. one murderer uses a winchester, another a smith 'n' wesson..
arguing over which is a better man is in my opinion the very heart of theological discussion.
are jews or muslems, baptists or catholics responsible per capita for more sheer misery per annum? do you think it really
matters what the label is?
if folks want to accept a handicap by relying on some "god critter", that's their biz.
but that's ok.
rant on. i'll just skip 'em.
regards
Rob
> And the Carlyle groups bank roll will just get fatter and fatter, who
> needs consumers when you've got tax payers and insider trading.
> War for profit its the American way.
>
>
> Gato Loco
Tell me what you think about this article. Certainly fits, if one
were into examining motives anyway. BTW, I also posted this as
another post so that ed would read it and tell me what he thinks...
its certainly interesting.
Rob
By Ted Rall
Oil Politics in Central Asia
NEW YORK
Nursultan Nazarbayev has a terrible problem. He's the president and
former Communist Party boss of Kazakhstan, the second-largest republic
of the former Soviet Union. A few years ago, the giant country struck
oil in the eastern portion of the Caspian Sea. Geologists estimate
that sitting beneath the wind-blown steppes of Kazakhstan are 50
billion barrels of oil-by far the biggest untapped reserves in the
world. (Saudi Arabia, currently the world's largest oil producer, is
believed to have about 30 billion barrels remaining.) Kazakhstan's
Soviet-subsidized economy collapsed immediately after independence in
1991. When I visited the then-capital, Almaty, in 1997, I was struck
by the utter absence of elderly people. One after another, people
confided that their parents had died of malnutrition during the brutal
winters of 1993 and 1994. Middle-class residents of a superpower had
been reduced to abject poverty virtually overnight; thirtysomething
women who appeared sixtysomething hocked their wedding silver in
underpasses, next to reps for the Kazakh state art museum trying to
move enough socialist realist paintings for a dollar each to keep the
lights on. The average Kazakh earned $20 a month; those unwilling or
unable to steal died of gangrene while sitting on the sidewalk next to
long-winded tales of woe written on cardboard.
Autocrats tend to die badly during periods of downward mobility.
Nazarbayev, therefore, has spent most of the last decade trying to get
his land-locked oil out to sea. Once the oil starts flowing, it won't
take long before Kazakhstan replaces Kuwait as the land of Benzes and
ugly gold jewelry. But the longer the pipeline, the more expensive and
vulnerable to sabotage it is. The shortest route runs through Iran but
Kazakhstan is too closely aligned with the U.S. to offend it by
cutting a deal with Teheran. Russia has helpfully offered to build a
line connecting Kazakh oil rigs to the Black Sea, but neighboring
Turkmenistan has experienced trouble with the Russians-they tend to
divert the oil for their own uses without paying for it. There's even
a plan to run crude out through China, but the proposed 5,300-mile
line would be far too long to prove profitable.
The logical alternative, then, is Unocal's plan, which is to extend
Turkmenistan's existing system west to the Kazakh field on the Caspian
and southeast to the Pakistani port of Karachi on the Arabian Sea.
That project runs through Afghanistan (news - web sites).
As Central Asian expert Ahmed Rashid describes in his book Taliban,
published last year, the U.S. and Pakistan decided to install a stable
regime into place in Afghanistan around 1994-a regime that would end
the country's civil war and thus ensure the safety of the Unocal
pipeline project. Impressed by the ruthlessness and willingness of the
then-emerging Taliban to cut a pipeline deal, the U.S. State
Department and Pakistan's ISI intelligence service agreed to funnel
arms and funding to the Taliban in their war against the ethnically
Tajik Northern Alliance. As recently as 1999, U.S. taxpayers paid the
entire annual salary of every single Taliban government official, all
in the hopes of returning to the days of dollar-a-gallon gas.
Pakistan, naturally, would pick up revenues from a Karachi oil port
facility. Harkening back to 19th century power politics between Russia
and British India, Rashid dubbed the struggle for control of
post-Soviet Central Asia "the new Great Game."
Predictably, the Taliban Frankenstein got out of control. The regime's
unholy alliance with Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s terror
network, their penchant for invading their neighbors and their
production of 50 percent of the world's opium made them unlikely
partners for the desired oil deal. Then-President Bill Clinton's 1998
cruise missile attack on Afghanistan briefly brought the Taliban back
into line-they even eradicated opium poppy cultivation in less than a
year-but they nonetheless continued supporting countless militant
Islamic groups. When an Egyptian group whose members had trained in
Afghanistan hijacked four airplanes and used them to kill more than
6,000 Americans on September 11th, Washington's patience with its
former client finally expired.
Finally the Bushies have the perfect excuse to do what the U.S. has
wanted all along-invade and/or install an old-school puppet regime in
Kabul. Realpolitik no more cares about the 6,000 dead than it concerns
itself with oppressed women in Afghanistan; this ersatz war by a phony
president is solely about getting the Unocal deal done without
interference from annoying local middlemen.
Central Asian politics, however, is a house of cards: every time you
remove one element, the whole thing comes crashing down. Muslim
extremists in both Pakistan and Afghanistan, for instance, will
support additional terror attacks on the U.S. to avenge the
elimination of the Taliban. A U.S.-installed Northern Alliance can't
hold Kabul without an army of occupation because Afghan legitimacy
hinges on capturing the capital on your own. And even if we do this
the right way by funding and training the Northern Alliance so that
they can seize power themselves, Pakistan's ethnic Pashtun government
will never stand the replacement of their Pashtun brothers in the
Taliban by Northern Alliance Tajiks. Without Pakistani cooperation,
there's no getting the oil out and there's no chance for stability in
Afghanistan.
As Bush would say, "make no mistake": this is about oil. It's always
about oil. And to twist a late `90s cliché, it's only boring because
it's true.
Ted Rall, a syndicated cartoonist for Universal Press Syndicate, has
traveled extensively throughout Central Asia. Most recently, in 2000,
he went to Turkmenistan as a guest of the U.S. State Department.
Rob
> rob...
>
> you assume a lot.
>
> it's not that i think judeism ok or not. it's that i find the entire concept of religion, personal or collective. organized
> or not, repulsive and indefensible.
High five on that one big guy.
>
> it's your singling one out for your rants i find idiotic. one murderer uses a winchester, another a smith 'n' wesson..
> arguing over which is a better man is in my opinion the very heart of theological discussion.
>
> are jews or muslems, baptists or catholics responsible per capita for more sheer misery per annum? do you think it really
> matters what the label is?
>
NO, and I do a miserable job of explaining myself. Its not the
religion of judaism itself that is at fault, even with all of its
horrific passeges in the torah, they arent that much worse than
anyothers, its the criminal element that funds and practices those
beliefs that I am always refering to. These people who hijack and
keep a valid religion from ethical and cultural growth intentionally
are the ones I am refering to. I hate it when people just
hysterically start screaming anti-semite over and over and over again.
I am refering to the O anc C judaists who practice what is taught in
the torah, talmud, and use it to their advantage. I dont know any
christians that are mega-millionares exploiting belifs from the OT and
claim all the while that they are christians.
Uh, forget I said that part, lol, more than a few come to mind, now
that I think about it.
But inherent and within the teachings of the Torah are beliefs that
lend themselves to financial, political, and social success bolstered
by immoral rationalizations excusing their treatment of others. I
dont know. Its the criminal thugs of Israel. Its not jews. Its the
criminal thugs of New York that funded the creation of the USSR, not
jews. They fall back on judaism and use it as an excuse, and MORE
importantly, as an adavantage.
> if folks want to accept a handicap by relying on some "god critter", that's their biz.
>
> but that's ok.
>
> rant on. i'll just skip 'em.
>
> regards
> ed
Ed, you know me by now, I get out of hand rather easily. Im the first
one to admit it. Sorry if I was being a dick. When I speak of
religions I do it real freely and openly as if everyone on earth
already new just what in the hell it is that I am talking about. I
love religions, not churchianity, but the religions themselves, deep
within all of them, even judaism I should mention since I am giving
them a rash of shit lately, there is grand truth. Great beauty,
openings of divine design bekoning our very soul. Every religion that
exists has much to offer, and many times just as much that can justify
improper behavior. You and I both know we cant find a reform jew on
earth who thinks that we arent humans, but go and find out what the
Orthodox think and watch out.
I am truly fearful that the broad base of the reformation movement is
going to be branded and labled just like the everyday muslim has now
been labled because of their affiliation with highly conservative
elements within Islam. Ask any american jewish person about the
passages and beliefs that I always talk about. They will be, like,
huh? What you talkinboutWillis?! They know they are there on the
most part, but they dont believe and/or practice them.
But there are some that do, those are the ones that I refer to, they
are the ones running our gov. Ah hell, Im just blathering because I
truly am nervous. The USSR wasnt noble by anymeans and I was a Jewish
enterprise, and I know that those very same vile creatures who were
once there, are now in Israel, and they wouldnt hesitate starting
WWIII for a few bucks. And they are the very same people that control
virtually every americans access to credible information.
Rob
Although you havent been polite in this discussion I think I myself
may have been worse, dunno, but sorry chap. No offence intended, just
irritated seeing all of the potential disasters I suppose.
John Smith
politician
who held what were considered "politically unsound" views and had the
ridiculous idea that
a secret service should be answerable to the government of the country where
they
operated and were employed. The powers that were found such views as unsound
and staged a bloodless coup in Australia thereby replacing the elected
government
............forget the quibbling over irrelevant details and smell the
coffee.
"Uninformed Medically" <madm...@thishastoberemoved.ozbytes.net.au> wrote in
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Uninformed Medically
> The version I read was straight forward enough.........Whitlam was a
labour
> politician
> who held what were considered "politically unsound" views and had the
> ridiculous idea that
> a secret service should be answerable to the government of the country
where
> they
> operated and were employed. The powers that were found such views as
unsound
> and staged a bloodless coup in Australia thereby replacing the elected
> government
> ............forget the quibbling over irrelevant details and smell the
> coffee.
>
What a load of rubbish that is. Sorry, not meaning you but the story you
read. Whitlam was a Labor PM who had very progressive public help policies
that he wanted to initiate all at once. The ideas were sound and for the
common person in Australia such as me, they were really a saving grace.
However, the cost of installing everything at once was a terrible drain on
available public money. His opposite number, Malcolm Fraser, had a burning
desire to be the PM and also had the majority in the upper house so when the
supply bill went to Parliament and got to the upper house, he had it blocked
there. The Federal Govt literally ran out of money quickly and when Whitlam
wouldnt back down, Kerr who was a Whitlam appointee, stepped in and sacked
the Labor Govt of the day, installed Fraser as a caretaker PM with caretaker
Govt unable to change a thing till the next election and the public decided
who was to be the Govt. Unfortunately for Australia, Fraser got his wish.
Many might say it was fortunate but I am referring not to any economic
decisions made after the election but what it meant about us all in 1975. We
couldnt see, as a nation, what was going on and that basically was about
that.
There was never any martial law declaration. In fact Whitlam never got his
own back on Fraser and the Governor General of the day in 1975 has since
died.
In a nutshell, that was what happened and what you said happened never
occurred at all. I suggest that the book you read was either way off the
mark or possibly so vague that it lead you to the wrong conclusion. I owe my
life to Whitlam. He repealed the draft when he got into Govt in 1972.
UM.
John Smith
of Whitlam had a lot to do with him being a socialist and implementing
such things as you describe (social policies)......... which did not sit
well with the UK and US.
Don't forget that Australia is a key strategic installation for the western
alliance,
to watch over the southern hemisphere which includes China.(hence Pine ridge
or valley)
Abolishing the draft would have been such a move but impounding the offices
and
files of the Australian Secret Service was the last straw. The law used to
remove him was one which had been installed in colonial times by Queen
Victoria and had not been used
since those times. It allowed a Governor General (relic) to dissolve the
government under
certain extreme conditions. With Greens presence it amounts to a bloodless
coup in my book.
The Australian Film board even made a film about it (cant remember the name)
and the whole
theme was that Australian citizens did not full appreciate the critical
events which were taking
place while they slept safely in their beds. I guess well`l have to agree to
disagree on this but I have no
doubt as to who runs the world and all that happens in it, and for what
purpose.
Public help policies are considered unsound, socialist and
unacceptable. The only policies which are acceptable are those which
cause the maximum poverty and misery for the most people and the greatest
wealth
for the least.In 1985 the west spent $900 billion on arms as opposed to the
WHO
spending $500 million on health. That was when AIDS might have been stopped.
Look at the wealth stats for the US and know what sound policies are.
"Uninformed Medically" <madm...@thishastoberemoved.ozbytes.net.au> wrote in
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Uninformed Medically
> In Pilgers book "A country such as this" he states that the removal
> of Whitlam had a lot to do with him being a socialist and implementing
> such things as you describe (social policies)......... which did not sit
> well with the UK and US.
> Don't forget that Australia is a key strategic installation for the
western
> alliance,
> to watch over the southern hemisphere which includes China.(hence Pine
ridge
Dunno where you get China being in the southern hemisphere. When I was there
it was decidedly in the northern. Also, think of it. Think what nations
exist in the southern hemisphere. Australia, NZ, South American nations,
South Africa and a smattering of South Pacific island nations and also
Indonesia. What possible threat could there be to any western northern
hemisphere nation from the entire southern hemisphere combined?
It was rumoured that the US didnt like the Labor Govt getting into power but
there are always grand conspiracy plans abounding and really, they may not
agree with the flavour of politics in Federal power in Australia but really,
big deal. Australia has about 19 million people. We are free to think nasty
thoughts at USA if there was a reason to do so at any time in the future or
past but I have to tell you, that's about all we can do. We arent a
militarily strong nation. We arent a nation of many people. We are
unimportant really and we realise that, most of us.
> or valley)
Again , Pine Gap.
> Abolishing the draft would have been such a move but impounding the
offices
> and
> files of the Australian Secret Service was the last straw. The law used to
> remove him was one which had been installed in colonial times by Queen
> Victoria and had not been used
Guess what? We have had our own constitution since 1901. If the Governor
General were not allowed to do what he did in 1975, then the constitutional
lawyers would have made it quite plain.
> since those times. It allowed a Governor General (relic) to dissolve the
> government under
> certain extreme conditions. With Greens presence it amounts to a bloodless
> coup in my book.
Amount of it what you will. I lived through it and was of voting age at the
time and married as well. It wasnt anything of the sort you imply. It was
just the ambitions of a power hungry Liberal party leader of the day getting
his way.
> The Australian Film board even made a film about it (cant remember the
name)
> and the whole
> theme was that Australian citizens did not full appreciate the critical
> events which were taking
> place while they slept safely in their beds. I guess well`l have to agree
to
> disagree on this but I have no
> doubt as to who runs the world and all that happens in it, and for what
> purpose.
Agree to disagree? Live through it personally and you know what went on.
People didnt agree with the Govt being thrown out. I know I didnt. However,
they had the choice to vote them straight back in again so in the end the
majority did agree with Whitlam being sacked.
Look I dont wish to be rude but you dont have a clue about what went on and
if what you say is truly representative of what Pilger wrote, neither did
he.
UM.
John Smith
casting "nasty thoughts" thoughts at America.......far from it, but I don't
see
any reason not to discuss history as it happened. If you choose to interpret
it
as nasty then that's your prerogative. As we well know eavesdropping on
China is
a big deal, as is eavesdropping by China on America. But the national
interests extend
well beyond the national borders of the countries involved.
I suppose your right then Pine Ridge is just a TV relay station, nothing
much
goes on there.
"Uninformed Medically" <madm...@thishastoberemoved.ozbytes.net.au> wrote in
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Rob
> "John Smith" <45...@indigo.ie> wrote in message
> news:H_2C7.2943$8s4....@news.indigo.ie...
> > In Pilgers book "A country such as this" he states that the removal
> > of Whitlam had a lot to do with him being a socialist and implementing
> > such things as you describe (social policies)......... which did not sit
> > well with the UK and US.
> > Don't forget that Australia is a key strategic installation for the
> western
> > alliance,
> > to watch over the southern hemisphere which includes China.(hence Pine
> ridge
>
> Dunno where you get China being in the southern hemisphere. When I was there
> it was decidedly in the northern. Also, think of it. Think what nations
> exist in the southern hemisphere. Australia, NZ, South American nations,
> South Africa and a smattering of South Pacific island nations and also
> Indonesia. What possible threat could there be to any western northern
> hemisphere nation from the entire southern hemisphere combined?
China, while geographicaly residing in the north, has a vast and
powerfull influence over the southern hemisphere, much like Japan in
the 30s 40s. The machanizations of Australian politics I am
unfamiliar with, but the US and the wests control is evident. I am
watching Bush Sr. speak as we speak. (so to speak) ;^) The concept
of capitalism, freedom, and intentional mis-distribution of wealth is
a powerful mix. You leave the ultra-elite virtually untouchable while
the mid and lower class are virtually the only residents of prisons.
All the while crime ratios are the same per doller.
We, in nations of western sphere influence live the lives our owners
want us to lead, while they are absolutely untouchable. Look at the
USs pardon of Mark Rich right before Clinton stepped out of office.
He stole millions upon millions of Americans money, siphoned it off to
Israel, and he gets a pardon based on Israeli recomendations. WTF?
There can not be a more blatant example in the world. There is a
ruling cabalistic organisation that we are all subject to. Even you
in Oz are controled by the very same people that control US and
British politics. The US is simply now being used as a conveniant
bulldozer to reshape and re-create the canvas that is the middle-east
in order to better nab the oil at the cheapest possible cost. Isnt it
a bit odd that the countries that have undeniably the richest natural
recources on planet earth, are not only recipients of vasts amounts of
US foreign aid, both humanitarian and millitarily, but are also in
massive amounts of foreign debt? How in the hell could this happen?
Take a wild gander as to whom they are in debt to? Bankers! US,
British, and Israeli Bankers. And why are they in debt? because they
need weapons, why do they need weapons...? Because of the bankers and
their financing of other dangerous countries. Their oil wealth is
stolen from them so that they can buy weapons. They are in debt
because we finance their possible enemies.
We indebt all sides, we enslave all sides, we arm all sides, we laugh
at all sides. The ruling elite is playing politic in the world like
its a game of parcheesy (sp?) With complete and total lack of respect
for human suffering and human lives. If you can still work... why do
you have to work? Why? Because you have debts. Take a wild guess as
to whom you owe your money too.
OK, I am rambling, but this may go a good way towards explaining
something. We loan, thru our banks, money backed by govermental
garentees. We then "excuse" or give "debt relief". Well trust me, we
dont watch the banks lose money, we reimburse the big bankers with the
money from Americans wallets collected in taxes. Americans are
enslaving, unwittingly, the groups that recieve large loans. The
bankers make their buck, the american pays off the bankers, and the
mid-east gets their weapons. The weapons essentially are payed for by
americans wallets. The bankers are repayed by american wallets. The
millitary industrial complex is owned by the exact same people that
own the banks. ANY big suprise there? And take a wild guess as to
whom pays the bill for when we go to war with one of the countries
that we financed, armed, indebted, and then abandoned. The american
tax-payer. We are all slaves in this financial shell game. Even you.
OZ, the US, and England, are the good enslavers, Russia, China, Israel
the bad enslavers, and everybody else is simply a tool for the
creation of actual wealth for the elite. I wouldnt doubt, although I
dont know, that John may be right. But then again Im not privy to
Australian politics. I think the elite comprise all sides, or as many
as neccessary, in order to achieve their aims.
The same game being played here, is going on in your country as well.
We are all indentured servants enriching our masters. Thats why they
hate it so much to live up to policies like disability benefits and
such. Look at how hard the US has gone after Bill Gates. The state
department has spent more money trying to destroy him than they have
trying to protect us from terrorism. It should be a great example as
to where the USs priorities are at. Or at least the ruling elites
priorities. And our elite is the same as yours as Englands as
Israels, as Russias, as in most countries that have unwittingly fallen
into the legal game of debt, loans, servitude. I quit/retired/slammed
the door, on work over 5 years ago. (just to have MS get me 7 months
later, thus leaving me with no insurance, fun fun fun) I saw the
shell game and made my way out, only ending up having to rely on its
creators in one form or another. The only reason you have to work to
the extent that you do is because of your debts. And guess where all
of your debts are going to?
In the US its Household finance, beneficial finance, American general
finance, ad nausium. All the credit card companies, department
stores, and Home loan organisations are ALL owned by the exact same
people. And these people can not be found in any segment of society
other than in Law, politics, and the judicial system, Education,
(propaganda), and the Media. Now that I am really rambling I should
mention that when I brought up Freemasonry it was to point out that it
is a creation of the judaists, and is essentially a secular,
mono-theistic form of judaism. So in essense they are one and the
same. Guess what George W and his father were/are? How about your
leaders?
I think in England people at one point became so upset that they
wanted to pass a law requiring any person who belonged to freemasonry
and were involved in polotics to identify themselves. Of course that
never passed. Gee, I wonder why?
Rob
John Smith
GW speak this evening and it was rather disturbing. He seems to have
a lot of the "evil" and "darkside" talk in his speech. I kind of expected
the
"now hold up yer sick parts to the TV while I smoke the evil out" line to
show up. On thing he did use the occasion for was to help push his
tax scam through.........that along with a tightening of the garrotte on
dissent
especially for the next round of Globalisation talks. (dare I mention the
phrase).
Protester will probably be shot in mass this time......not just the token
few.
"Rob" <robands...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Uninformed Medically" <madm...@thishastoberemoved.ozbytes.net.au> wrote
in message news:<3bd96518$0$8352$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>...
> > "John Smith" <45...@indigo.ie> wrote in message
> > news:H_2C7.2943$8s4....@news.indigo.ie...
> > > In Pilgers book "A country such as this" he states that the removal
> > > of Whitlam had a lot to do with him being a socialist and implementing
> > > such things as you describe (social policies)......... which did not
sit
> > > well with the UK and US.
> > > Don't forget that Australia is a key strategic installation for the
> > western
> > > alliance,
> > > to watch over the southern hemisphere which includes China.(hence Pine
> > ridge
> >
> > Dunno where you get China being in the southern hemisphere. When I was
there
> > it was decidedly in the northern. Also, think of it. Think what nations
> > exist in the southern
> Rob
Tee
news:3BD4047F...@shaw.ca...
> You know. With all the non stop coverage on this topic in the news, I am
> really quite sick of seeing this discussed here too.
>
> I kill file every single thread, but now find myself getting pissed off
> just seeing all the new threads appear.
>
> Michael? Go find yourself a war newsgroup, and take it out of here. You
> seem to be the one who starts most of this shit.
I think this could have been stated just a tad bit friendlier.
He *does* have OT in the header. It is a part of life at the moment. I
don't like it either (the war), but everyone has their perspective, no
matter if you or I agree with them or not, it's still something that is
happening right now to your country and mine (among others). Sometimes
people really need to be able to talk among friends and family... to try to
make sense (if any is to be had) of this thing that is disrupting our lives,
and that is what we are here for... to allow people to talk and get feelings
out...
But to tell someone that has been on this group longer than you and I put
together to "take it out of here"... well, sorry, Hon, but I think that was
just a bit rude... the word "crap" might have come across a bit gentler!
*snicker*
Hugs,
Tee
--
================================
"Stupidity killed the cat. Curiosity was framed."
================================
Tee
>
> Finally Michael, politcal dissension isn't popular right now. The right to
dissent is
> part of democracy. Please continue writing with an O.T. and those opposed
can ignore
> the threads. Continue the walks....but continue with being a concerned
person.
> Carole
>
I agree with Carole here. I enjoy reading your perspective on a lot of
things, including what is going on in our world right now. I may not always
agree with you, and at times I want to grab your beard and say..."What in
the *HELL* are you thinking??" But, then you look at me with those sad puppy
dog eyes and I... oh wait... damn... you do that *every time* get me off
track...
*ANYWAY*
I think your perspective is just as important as mine or anyone else's, and
I hate to see it stop... if for nothing else so I *can* say ..."What in the
*HELL* are you thinking??" And... well, 'cause I just like to fuss! *smile*
xoxoxox
jdgargoyle
--
Take Care : )
JulieD
In 1640 the 5th Duke,
while on a drinking spree,
went to church on a cow and
set fire to the choir.
He fled to France where he lived
and subsequently died under the
illusion that he was a footstool. - 'Splitting Heirs'
Monty
Python
"Tee" <tcha...@starband.net> wrote in message
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Tee
Are you insinuating that I've been "rude" in the past?? Surly you jest! Not
me.. no, no, not ever! *snicker*
Love ya!
Tee
--
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"Stupidity killed the cat. Curiosity was framed."
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"jdgargoyle" <jdan...@uspower.net> wrote in message
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jdgargoyle
Is that possible?
As for being the pot of the kettle you are neither...just a sweet angel sent
from heaven who does no wrong...just like me.....lol
( I think it's that batting of the eyes thing you do!)
hugs
--
Take Care : )
JulieD
In 1640 the 5th Duke,
while on a drinking spree,
went to church on a cow and
set fire to the choir.
He fled to France where he lived
and subsequently died under the
illusion that he was a footstool. - 'Splitting Heirs'
Monty
Python
"Tee" <tcha...@starband.net> wrote in message
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Tee
<batting eyes innocently>
(Shall you get the knee boots or shall I??)
Hugs,
Tee
--
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"Stupidity killed the cat. Curiosity was framed."
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"jdgargoyle" <jdan...@uspower.net> wrote in message
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jdgargoyle
the 60's style go-go boots.
And yes her boots are made for walking, and that's just what they do. Quite
a mouth on my little princess....so far, I know it's early, things are going
well in the peer pressure department
She has one evil group of caddy girls ruling the roost at her school.
Her sadness comes from the fact one of the major culprits turning into a
clicky person was one of her best friends since 2nd grade.
This girl is running an anti-demetra campaign because, well boys are in the
picture now and they DON'T want to compete with Demetra.
She is the girl in highschool that came to school, hair wet, no makeup,
gliding gracefully across the halls....always with a kind smile and knock
out fashion. You know...the really cute petite one that actually could walk
like a lady and talk like a lady.
She is 4 ft 8 now at almost 13 years old, a whole 78 pounds, in the top 99th
percentile in the nation, has an incredible knack for art in all
respects...fashion, architecture, an actress that gets lead roles at our
local professional theater, ballerina since age six that has performed with
the International Ballet Company twice...blah blah blah.
Hate her yet? They do because she will not succumb to the immaturity.
Boys now have pencils with Demetra put on them in little letter stickers.
I warned her this would happen, teachers warned her and we have all said the
same thing.
Demetra, you have the look boys want, popular girls want, and the pressure
to conform will be extreme. Please remain true to yourself and you will be
happy.
I feel for her though. You as a mother knows the most frustrating thing is
to see your child go through this pain. At the same time it is a necessary
experience growing up. You cannot take it away or overprotect...only lend
the shoulder to cry on.
At least she is absorbed in the creation of her sisters 9th bday cake...that
makes her very happy!
--
Take Care : )
JulieD
In 1640 the 5th Duke,
while on a drinking spree,
went to church on a cow and
set fire to the choir.
He fled to France where he lived
and subsequently died under the
illusion that he was a footstool. - 'Splitting Heirs'
Monty
Python
"Tee" <tcha...@starband.net> wrote in message
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Robert Hickey
>
> Ahhh, I see we are in agreement then! From one sweet angel to another!
> <batting eyes innocently>
>
> (Shall you get the knee boots or shall I??)
Change that to knee *pads* and you can give me a call... ;-}
kathleen
Tee wrote:
>
> "Carole Ford" wrote in message
> <snip>
> >
> > Finally Michael, politcal dissension isn't popular right now.
> > The right to dissent is part of democracy. Please continue
> > writing with an O.T. and those opposed can ignore the threads.
> > Continue the walks....but continue with being a concerned
> > person.
>
> I agree with Carole here. I enjoy reading your perspective on a lot of
> things, including what is going on in our world right now.
dear MS folks,
hello. my name is kathleen, I'm a lurker here at ASMS. The following was
forwarded to me this morning. Please take the time to read, and respond
to the FCC, (if you are in the US). I agree: political dissension isn't
popular right now. and if these folks have their way, we'll _really_
have to hunt for the important news, and to find out "what is going on
in our world right now"!
when I read this, it scared the hell out of me. already, I can see so
many things that are *not* being reported, or not being reported widely.
right now, in order to get decent news, you need internet access, and
have to go to the English or Canadian media to find out what's really
going on in the world. the US media is controlling our *freedom of the
press*, and now wants to be able to do is legally, and do it to a
further extent, and worse, they're pretending it's in our "patriotic"
interests!
what's worse than a one-newspaper town?: a town where the
newspaper, television stations, and radio stations are all owned by
the same company.
guess what? the u.s. government thinks it would be a great idea if
there were lots of towns like that ...
can you say "monopoly"?
---------Forwarded Message---------
FAIR-L
Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting
Media analysis, critiques and news reports
ACTION ALERT:
FCC Moves to Lift Cross-Ownership Ban
October 26, 2001
Just two days after the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and
the Pentagon, the FCC began to eliminate the last remaining shreds of
regulation on media concentration. With all eyes elsewhere, the FCC voted
unanimously to "review" laws that prohibit the same company from owning both
a newspaper and a TV station in the same geographic area, and laws that
limit the percent of the national audience that a single cable company can
reach.
FCC chair Michael Powell has made no secret of his desire to abandon any
substantive public interest restrictions on the dominance of big media
corporations, claiming "the oppressor here is regulation." (See "Their Man
in Washington," http://www.fair.org/extra/0110/powell.html .) He even
presented this latest move as a patriotic act, declaring, "The flame of the
American ideal may flicker, but it will never be extinguished...We will do
our small part and press on with our business, solemnly, but resolutely."
Pressure to drop the cross-ownership ban comes from companies like Rupert
Murdoch's News Corp., whose recent acquisition of station operator
Chris-Craft puts it in violation, giving it two TV stations and a newspaper
in New York City. (News Corp. already had a waiver to operate one TV station
and a newspaper in New York.) There are more than 40 markets with
newspaper-broadcast combinations already, most 'grandfathered' in when the
law was written in 1975. Other companies in violation of the law include the
Tribune Co. which owns TV-broadcast combinations in Los Angeles, New York,
Orlando and Chicago.
Powell has called the cross-ownership ban "extremely prohibitive," and said
he sees no reason a city's TV station and newspaper shouldn't be controlled
by the same company. Indeed, media corporations routinely make deals that
violate existing law, so confident are they of the current anti-regulatory
climate-- "skating where the puck is going to be," is how one industry
analyst described it (L.A. Times, 9/14/01).
Besides the wholly predictable result of a single company controlling a
town's TV stations, radio stations, cable company and only newspaper,
critics warn that elimination of this rule will essentially signal the
absorption of the newspaper business into the television industry, with a
negative impact on the quality of print journalism. Newspaper companies "see
savings in news gathering by combining with TV stations as a big plus," an
industry analyst told the L.A. Times (9/14/01), giving an indication that
the newly merged megacompanies would provide communities with less news, not
more.
FCC reviews include a mandatory public comment period to give Americans a
chance to weigh in on proposed regulations. Examination of some previous
public comment periods shows that the comments received are often few and
are overwhelmingly drawn from media companies and industry trade
organizations.
The deadline for comment on the cable ownership cap has been extended to
January 4, 2002; FAIR will release more information on that soon. More
urgent right now are comments about the newspaper-broadcast cross-ownership
ban, which are due by December 3.
At a time of crisis, the dangers of such overwhelming concentration in media
are more glaring than ever. The changes underway will make U.S. media even
less diverse, more commercial and less accountable to the public.
ACTION: Please let the FCC know that lifting the cross-ownership ban to
allow further media consolidation will not serve the public interest.
Because the FCC has time-consuming requirements for email comments which
require that people format their message in a certain way, FAIR created a
form to simplify the process. You can submit comments to the FCC about
cross-ownership at:
http://www.fair.org/mailform.php
For more details on the FCC's efforts to weaken ownership rules, see the
Center for Digital Democracy's in-depth resources:
http://www.democraticmedia.org/issues/mediaownership/index.html
----------
Feel free to respond to FAIR ( fa...@fair.org ). We can't reply to
everything, but we will look at each message. We especially appreciate
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Tee
news:3BDC35CB...@sbcglobal.net...
>
>
> what's worse than a one-newspaper town?: a town where the
> newspaper, television stations, and radio stations are all owned by
> the same company.
a one newspaper town where the newspaper only comes out once a week?? Yup..
that's it here.. I have to get my "morning" newspaper from Evansville,
Indiana, via mail... that comes at about 3 or 4:00 in the afternoon. :o)
Ahh, country life.... :o)
Hugs,
Tee
Tee
"Robert Hickey" <rob...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:3BDC29...@bellsouth.net...
LOL! Well, hello Robert! So nice of you to drop in! :o)
Hugs,
Tee
Steve Nelson
AM/FM, shortwave, TV, newspapers, etc., are available on the WWW from most
sources. With good or unlimited internet access there is no reason for one
to be more ignorant than they choose to be.
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"kathleen" <kath...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:3BDC35CB...@sbcglobal.net...
>
>
Jim Carter
alt.support.mult-sclerosis ?
On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 16:43:56 GMT, kathleen <kath...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>when I read this, it scared the hell out of me. already, I can see so
>many things that are *not* being reported, or not being reported widely.
>
>right now, in order to get decent news, you need internet access, and
>have to go to the English or Canadian media to find out what's really
>going on in the world.
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http://www.superaje.com/~jcarter
Robert Hickey
Why thank you, ma'am! So nice to be here.
Rob
> dear MS folks,
>
> hello. my name is kathleen, I'm a lurker here at ASMS. The following was
> forwarded to me this morning. Please take the time to read, and respond
> to the FCC, (if you are in the US). I agree: political dissension isn't
> popular right now. and if these folks have their way, we'll _really_
> have to hunt for the important news, and to find out "what is going on
> in our world right now"!
Wonderful post! I am getting to all my e-mails btw. Im hurrying...
Rob
John Smith
oppose..........now that its
a global village. Murdock has been gradually poisoning us here with is cheap
propaganda, porn and soccer formula. Any programs which traditionally
highlighted dissent or an alternative perspective of the world have been
withdrawn
with the exception of Channel 4s John Snow News program. I am sure he/they
are under
increasing pressure to get in line, put up or shut up. For Gods sake protest
while
we still can.
Don't forget that Murdock owns Blair.........he made him and he can destroy
him just as
quickly, just as he did to the Conservatives. Mind you the Conservatives
were already
being propped up by him..........once he withdrew the support they
collapsed.
"kathleen" <kath...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:3BDC35CB...@sbcglobal.net...
>
>
> Tee wrote:
> >
> > "Carole Ford" wrote in message
> > <snip>
> > >
> > > Finally Michael, politcal dissension isn't popular right now.
> ------- End of forwarded message -------
kathleen
Jim Carter wrote:
>
> The Canadian news is good enough for me. Why was this posted to
> alt.support.mult-sclerosis ?
Because there is a deadline (Dec 3) on commenting to the FCC that the
plans are unacceptable (to consolidate the media in the hands of a few).
Since the "war" thread on ASSM contained posts about not knowing what
was going on, I thought it appropriate to make a post, that showed that
if we don't protest in a timely manner, we shall know even _less_ about
what is going on. The post contained a link to object. I also went with
a post labeled Off Topic.
Why do you have a problem with that?
kathleen
Steve Nelson wrote:
> AM/FM, shortwave, TV, newspapers, etc., are available on the WWW from most
> sources. With good or unlimited internet access there is no reason for one
> to be more ignorant than they choose to be.
um, steve, there's a *lot* of people w/o internet access, in case you
haven't heard... the "comment form" to the FCC was about radio,
newspapers and television, being consolidated in a few hands, as it
stated. we here on the internet are privileged...
> kathleen wrote
Carole Ford
> Jim Carter wrote:
> >
> > The Canadian news is good enough for me. Why was this posted to
> > alt.support.mult-sclerosis ?
>
> Because there is a deadline (Dec 3) on commenting to the FCC that the
> plans are unacceptable (to consolidate the media in the hands of a few).
> Since the "war" thread on ASSM contained posts about not knowing what
> was going on, I thought it appropriate to make a post, that showed that
> if we don't protest in a timely manner, we shall know even _less_ about
> what is going on. The post contained a link to object. I also went with
> a post labeled Off Topic.
>
> Why do you have a problem with that?
Censoring what is posted as O.T. seems to be acceptable on the group. Doing
whatever else they like seems to be just fine. Consideration is a lost art.
Carole (mistaken for a humorless old bitch)
Kathi Matthews
>
>rob
>
>take your anti semetic shit elswhere.
>
>we have enough to deal with here in terms of diseased brains.
>
>ed
>--
Rob has finally revealed his true colors.
Kathi
Kathi Matthews
writes:
>
>
>It might be worth it to point out that David Duke is against this war.
>
How irrelevant. (DukeS is the Klansman turned politician in Louisiana).
Kathi
Kathi Matthews
robands...@hotmail.com (Rob) writes:
>I dont know any
>christians that are mega-millionares exploiting belifs from the OT and
>claim all the while that they are christians.
You must not have a TV.
Kathi
Kathi Matthews
>
>there is a struggle as we speak, at this very moment, to control the
>internet, that struggle is being waged by practitioners of the
>judaistic faith, and no one else
You're a sicko Rob. Go obsess somewhere where it is more appreciated.
Kathi
Kathi Matthews
writes:
>
>Finally Michael, politcal dissension isn't popular right now. The right to
>dissent is
>part of democracy. Please continue writing with an O.T. and those opposed can
>ignore
>the threads. Continue the walks....but continue with being a concerned
>person.
>Carole
>
Exactly.
Kathi
Kathi Matthews
>
>You know. With all the non stop coverage on this topic in the news, I am
>really quite sick of seeing this discussed here too.
>
>I kill file every single thread, but now find myself getting pissed off
>just seeing all the new threads appear.
Calm down and hit delete. People feel strongly about this and feel the need to
discuss it with each other here, not on some pontificating politics board.
Kathi
Kathi Matthews
>
>Rant mode off. Usually I enjoy debate. I have the most respect for
>those that speak there mind the strongest, regardless of opinion, but
>on this issue it is very important.
But we have no respect for You, Rob, or for your racist anti-semitism, no
matter what you like to call it.
Kathi
Kathi Matthews
> those
>that now run Israel are the ones running the show and they are the
>ones who will make the money off of the deaths of soldiers on all
>sides, and they will be the first to ask you to give up your
>"inalienable" right
Rob, we are full of your shit. Nobody takes you seriously about anything
anymore. There must be some hate site you can go to where you will fit in
better.
Kathi