OT:and long. regards evoting 14th amendment and my hubris
eh...@world.std.com
any thoughts you might offer posative or negative are welcome and
greatly appreciated.
i'm not sure of how to best pursue this.
i've thirty years at the "bleeding" edge of computer science. both
it's
theory and application.
my first computer had winchester harddrives. they looked like washing
machines. self educated high school dropout of dickensian beginnings.
i've in the past been paid rather well to sit solving problems at
conference tables peopled by men flown in on private choppers.
on the subject of voting machines many of which i assure you are
rigged. not hacked, rigged. there's a significant difference.
i do a little reading with my 10 year old every night. recently the
constitution and bill of rights, then "brief history of time"
currently
bertrand russell's "problems in philosophy." amazing what a kid's
mind
can do before we old farts screw it up. he actually understands
russel.
what's even more alarming is that he's just completed his first sale of
artwork on ebay. a watercolor...10 years old... damned if i'll see
him
grow up in the currently forming hobbes leviathin without my putting up
a
fight.
the following idea came to me during our readings and conversation.
however unlikely this is to be workable, the potential good moves me to
explore it.
the current means of legal attack while admirable, seems to me at best
only a nibbling at the edges. state by state. stolen election by
stolen...already lost election.
use of proprietary and therefore closed source election software
violates
my 14th amendment right to equal protection.
i'll soon be requesting the assistance of the ACLU and sen. john
kerry's
office in fileing suit. what i'm asking of you is that you dissuade
me.
tell me why this can't possibly work.
and forget the existing arguments on open source and E-voteing. this
is
an entirely different tack. also please don't confuse it's brevity or
simplicity for lack of rigor. to me this brevity and simplicity is a
strength.
it would not be difficult to author a densely reasoned book on the
following few sentences. if necessary i'll do so.
at this point some very accomplished computer programmers have found
this
argument valid and it's absence in litigation both puzzling and
unfortunate. states forcing these machines down our throats can be
stopped at the federal level.
my argument is this.
i am permitted to cast one secret ballot in a national election.
proprietary election software is created in two steps. these are called
programming.
the first step is writing the "human language" source code.
because she can write instructions into the source code for one or more
of
her own votes to be counted in an election. the programmer has
disproportional access to election representation.
the second step is compiling. compiling translates "human language"
source code into "machine language" aka; functional software. because
humans can't readily read machine language compiling as well as the
hiding
of source code needed to protect it's value as private intellectual
property makes the possible existence of the programmers ballots
secret.
stated with some precision and in a manner i believe to be beyond any
rational dispute.
from the point in time that the programmer begins writing election
software source code until the point in time when that code is
compiled.
the programmer's computer and more precisely ability to alter that
source
code is effectively an uber ballot box that she or others with
understanding of programming can use as a personal polling place.
this condition extends to the creation of updates and bug fixes later
added to the software.
i can't cast multiple votes by secret ballot. so using "closed
source"
software in a federal election is clearly forbidden under the equal
protection clause of the 14th amendment as simply defined below.
while i've no pretence of understanding the voluminous case law
and precedent involved here, the language itself seems clear.
The 'Lectric Law Library's Lexicon On
"EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE - Portion of the Fourteenth Amendment to the
U.S.
Constitution that prohibits discrimination by state government
institu~tions. The clause grants all people "equal protection of the
laws," which means that the states must apply the law equally and
cannot
give preference to one person or class of persons over another. "
as i said above. "what i'm asking of you is that you dissuade me.
tell
me why this can't possibly work."
failing that i guess the harder task from an ethical standpoint might
be
to convince yourself that not helping in this effort is justifyable.
the
opportunity expense of our collective inaction is staggering.
as you know better than i, evil requires only the inaction of good
people.
this is not about preserving representative governance. that's largely
been gone for some time. my hope is that enough good people working
together might accellerate it's restoration.
if you feel that others might find this interesting please feel free to
foreward it widely. i prefer the bazzar to the cathedral.
respectfully
ed hill
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eh...@world.std.com
i am very sorry about my recent prolonged absence.
i need your clear thinking on this. your input up or down. i've
written here before that i learn more when i'm wrong.
so other than excessive hubris. where's the pothole in this?
regards
ed
GT Tick
spot, that place you never see until it's too late. The place that
knocks your front end beyond repair while you are busy gazing at the
world going by.
Here in Texas we have a way of knowing they ain't never gonna fix the
potholes...they're just gonna move 'em around so you can't memorize
where they're at.
And that sir is what is going to happen to our voting with the advent of
the touch screen. Like you said, this is not right or left, this will
be all 'round. Someone is going to stick their fingers in it. Some
will be caught and some won't. Be prepared.
Again, glad you're back, hubris and all...be well
Tick
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Re: OT:and long. regards evoting 14th amendment and my hubris
Group: alt.support.mult-sclerosis Date: Mon, Feb 20, 2006, 7:09pm
(CST-2) From: eh...@world.std.com
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Michael
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The potholes - if there are any, and I suspect there are many - are all
gonna be case-law.
There's nothing I can find wrong or equivocal with your argument on its
face...
Don't bother yourself over previous absence when enjoying current presence.
:-)
QQ...@webtv.net
don't know what the hell your talking about....
i gather the voting machines are rigged.... right or wrong on my part i
will pass this info a long....
i really got distracted by the philosopher you mentioned.... can't
belive i haven't read his stuff..... please have your 10 year old e-mail
me with his take on philosophy.... i'm always happy to read what you
right..... so glad your back more often... one more thing the mention
of pot holes leads me to belive we all live on the same street:-)...dory
Sylv
>i gather the voting machines are rigged.... right or wrong on my part i
>will pass this info a long....
I don't know how many years ago this happened, but they DID find the
voting machines in Chicago were rigged!
The votors marked their choices with levers on these things. When you
are all done voting, you pulled the main switch on the machine. . .and
guess what?
You had voted for who ever the First King Richard Daley wanted to get
it!
Some news organization actaully busted them on this.
Another factor that influences elections in Chicago; just like "Night
of the Living Dead," the deceased voters rise up and vote. Hah, hah,
we call that the "Graceland Precinct," Graceland being an old, old
cemetary.
Yeah, snicker, giggle, make jokes. . .but this damn town is corrupt to
the core.
Sylvia
QQ...@webtv.net
now days to speak the truth is called a lie and a lie the truth..... i
think florida is more corrupt than my state and yours when it comes to
voting..... hope your feeling ok and have wondered if you shop on line
where i do.... take care and know we care.... dory
abdi
flaws are inevitable, unfortunately most of these do not leave any paper
trail, so essentially
a recount is using the same flawed software, but they seem to do it with a
zeal. Its like the fools who ripped out subway tracks in Rochester and
replaced it with
gas guzzling busses, unfortunately you cannot go back. This idiocy is so,
even in the blue state of NY.They are replacing the mechanical voting
machines with these idiotic electronic ones and the companies are buying the
guys who make the decision (our beloved republicans).You see its kind of
like Germany or Iran, these traitors cannot do wrong.
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abdi
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GT Tick
NY.They are replacing the mechanical voting machines with these idiotic
electronic ones and the companies are buying the guys who make the
decision (our beloved republicans).You see its kind of like Germany or
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And as Ed (a liberal with more patriotism than you'll ever have
Rochester) said in one of his posts, it's not a left or right thing now.
It's not a red or blue state thing, it's a political thing. What makes
you think there won't be cheating in precincts, districts and states
controlled by the democrats? Or hey, here's a concept, areas 'not'
controlled by the ruling party?
Potholes Rochester, potholes.
Note: damn I love calling Abdi the troll "Rochester". Everytime I do I
think of Jack Benny and his butler. His brilliant butler.
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KKT
issues will have to decide ... but I like the novelty of the approach.
You might also speak with Bev Harris @ www.blackboxvoting.org who's been
doing a lot of work on this issues. Also, speak with Jesse Jackson, Jr.
He believes that the Constitution should be amended to include the right
to vote. See this: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060206/jackson
And I found this article at the Univ. of MO - Kansas City site:
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/FTrials/conlaw/fundrights.html
Good luck.
Kathie
KKT
abdi
from (hard to believe) the xxx xxxx state of Texas (Which was stolen by xxx
xxxxs from poor
locals).
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eh...@world.std.com
argument lands square in the center of the clear intent of that clause.
sadly the makeup of the current sc renders reasoned argument almost
irrelevant.
even in the wildly unlikely event my little argument were to face them
i suspect at best another scalia/thomas surrealism.
my hope would really be only to force the further actual documenting of
their sodomizing of our constitution.
thanks for the url's