Recently diagnosed...
Brandy
this year, my left eye went blurry in the center (optic neuritis) and
I went from the eye doctor to the lab (the blood work ruled out
diabetes) to an MRI and then to a neurologist. She was really worried
about a white flag that spread like a banner over the left side of my
brain, additionally there were little white "stars" that were
indicative of MS. In any case, she was concerned that I had a brain
tumor. So, I was sent to a neurosurgeon (my brain was too swollen to
safely do a spinal tap). We looked over the MRI's and scheduled a
brain biopsy the following week. I was put on steroids for a few days
prior to the surgery then went through another MRI the morning of the
surgery and the brain biopsy followed. On Tuesday the 2nd of April I
went back to the neurosurgeon and learned that it was not a brain
tumor. The following day I went back to my neurologist and was
diagnosed with RRMS. We discussed "therapy" and settled on Avonex. I
haven't started taking it yet, as I just found out today that my
insurance only covers prescriptions up to $500! Anyhow, the Avonex
company is sending me a form to apply for financial assistance (I'm a
college student).
I'm not really sure what or why I'm telling you all this...I guess I
just came across this site and thought you all sounded knowledgeable
and caring. I'm a 32 year old female college student who just recently
realized that it's okay to admit that you're scared, and I am. Thank
you for listening.
Brenda
Sorry you've had the diagnosis that brought you here, but welcome to
the group. It must actually have been kind of a relief to know that
you didn't have a brain tumor! How scary, and it sounds like you
weren't sure for several weeks. How awful!
Have the steroids helped your optic neuritis? Did you ever have any
other symptoms before your eye became blurry?
Hope things work out with the financial aid for Avonex, and that
you're feeling better these days. You'll find that the people here
are wonderful, supportive and caring! Keep us posted!
A bientot,
Brenda H.
twittyk...@yahoo.com (Brandy) wrote in message news:<666bb999.02042...@posting.google.com>...
Ashley Barjonas
Im recently diagnosed , (16/04/2002) I was scared too. And like you
finances are tight. I used to be a chef but now I cant do that and
finding something else is very difficult. I guess all I can say is to
hang in there and that the poeple on this group are very friendly and
will listen.
Hope to see you around!
Ashley :-)
On 22 Apr 2002 19:36:29 -0700, twittyk...@yahoo.com (Brandy)
wrote:
Kathryn Cummings
really forgotten how scared I was at being dx. Of course it's normal to be
frightened of not knowing what is out there for you. My dx is now 9 years
old but I'm still working fulltime and a lot of my symptoms are as we say
here "invisible". The different drugs available do work and it may be
several years before you have another nasty episode. On this ng you will
always find help, sympathy, "tea n toast", laughs, you only have to ask.
Keep in touch with us. Good luck.
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PoisonIvy
I am sorry about your journey, but I am very glad you have found us!
Ask questions away, there are many here that may have an answer. I hope
Biogen helps you out with the Avonex Prescription.
Keep us posted........and yes, it is ok to be scared : )
--
Take Care : )
Julie D
"When something enters your life that is
so big and so non-negotiable as
catastrophic illness, you either go in
denial for a while ... or ultimately you accept
it and you make space for it. And in
making space for it, you illuminate a lot
of things that you normally don't have room for ...
you simply just look at the world differently."
--actor MICHAEL J. FOX, in an
interview with CNN talk show
host LARRY KING, on coming to
grips with having Parkinson's disease.
HOLLYWOOD (Reuters) -
They said it -- notable quotes from the
media and entertainment world.
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injection? If so, you should know that the beta interferons have been
shown to be dose-dependent in their efficacy & Betaseron or Rebif are
supply higher dosages of beta interferon to your system. Each is a
subcutaneous (just under the skin)
shot given every other day.
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Basia
Wow, you went through a whole battery of testing. Glad it's not a
tumor!
It's hard to admit to being scared. I've been diagnosed since 99,
symptomatic long before that, and I got scared all over again last
night. It must come with the territory.
Please ask any questions. This is a wonderful group of people.
~ Basia
twittyk...@yahoo.com (Brandy) wrote in message news:<666bb999.02042...@posting.google.com>...
Rhonda
Our stories are quite similar. I, too, started out with the optic
neuritis. I, too, was told it could be a tumor. There were many hours
of fear and panic before the MRI results indicated only the ON...and
not a tumor.
I am so glad for you that it wasn't a tumor....but also, having MS is
no picnic either:/
It is quite natural now for you to feel afraid. There are going to be
some big changes in your life as a result of this. BUT....there will
also be some good come of it, as well.
I have learned a great deal about myself since being diagnosed...I am
stronger than I ever imagined I could be...braver than I thought I
would be...and more optimistic that I realized. I have also made some
new friends along the way. People that I would have never met
otherwise have become a part of my everyday life....and that is truly
a blessing.
Two very important tools....patience and forgiveness. Patience for
yourself on the days you are having difficulties and patience with
others who simply don't understand you, your feelings or the disease.
Forgiving yourself for the days you pull the covers over your head and
protest life....and forgiveness for those around you that don't
understand you, your feelings or the disease.
The rest just has to be worked out as you go along...but ASMS is here
to help you when needed
Welcome...Rhonda
On 22 Apr 2002 19:36:29 -0700, twittyk...@yahoo.com (Brandy)
wrote:
>To make a long story relatively short, just before valentine's day
watchman
> this year, my left eye went blurry in the center (optic neuritis) and
If you will look at this article.
It states the 'thinning of the blood' .. seems to be promising..
This is in the same veins (pardon the pun) as plasmapheresis which also
thins the blood.
It is much like the analogy of milkshake and water .. through a tiny
straw.
Milkshake cannot make it through the tiny microvessels which line the eye
.. the same as in intesinal bowel disease .. the lining of the gut dies ..
because the blood cannot make it through / into the microvessels which
line the gut.
The same result is achieved with bloodletting/ iron depletion .. thinning
of the blood.
Ophthalmologe 1993 Feb;90(1):21-6
[Hemodilution therapy in patients with acute anterior ischemic optic
neuropathy.]
[Article in German]
Wolf S, Schulte-Strake U, Bertram B, Schulte K, Arend O, Reim M
Augenklinik, Medizinische Fakultat der RWTH, Aachen.
A prospective study was performed in 22 patients with an anterior
ischaemic optic neuropathy (AION). All patients underwent iso- (Hct >
or = 42%) or hypervolemic (Hct < 42%) haemodilution for 10 days with
daily infusion of 250 ml hydroxyethyl starch (MW 200,000/0.5, 10%
HAES-sterile) in combination with pentoxifylline (p.o.: 1200 mg/day;
i.v.: 300 mg/day; Trental). Only patients with recent AION (less than
2 weeks' duration of symptoms) were considered for the prospective
trial. Clinical, haemodynamic (arterio-venous passage time) and
rheological (haematocrit, plasma viscosity, erythrocyte aggregation)
data of all patients were recorded before therapy and after 10 days.
An improvement of central vision by 2 or more lines was seen in 7
patients after 10 days. Initially the arterio-venous passage time was
significantly prolonged in patients (2.42 +/- 0.7 s) with AION
compared with healthy volunteers (1.45 +/- 0.4 s). After the 10-day
trial arterio-venous passage time was significantly shorter than
baseline values. In addition, the initially elevated plasma viscosity
(1.33 +/- 0.1 mPa) was significantly lowered by haemodilution therapy.
PMID: 7680252, UI: 93184452
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Who loves ya.
Tom
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Moses was a Mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html
Brandy
Thank you! I settled on Avonex because my neurologist informed me that
it is a once a week shot, which I was initially concerned about. But,
she did mention Rebif and that it's as effective as Avonex, however
it's administered 2x's a week under the skin (subcutaneous). I need to
get the 'lingo' down. Also, the side effects she mentioned (which I
can't quite recall) made me scratch that off my list. Are you on Rebif
now? If so, what, if any side effects have you experienced?
Thank you,
Brandy
Ja...@Planet-Save.com (Jayne Adler) wrote in message news:<60223b1e.02042...@posting.google.com>...
Brandy
are starting to abate with knowledge. If it's not too personal, why
can't you be a chef anymore? I do hope that you find another line of
work, and your finances improve. It's bad enough to worry about paying
rent etc...and then to be diagnosed, worry about dealing with that,
and then on top of it all, the therapy is so damn expensive. I suppose
it all works out somehow in the end? Thank you.
Brandy
ham...@nospamplease.cwcom.net (Ashley Barjonas) wrote in message news:<3cc50f06...@news.btinternet.com>...
Brandy
you so much for your encouraging letter! I'm feeling more and more
optimistic. I'll keep in touch.
Brandy
"Kathryn Cummings" <kathcu...@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<anbx8.47450$uR5.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>...
Brandy
really touched me and I realized that this is an opportunity to
discover more about myself than I ever could have. Thank you!
Brandy
"PoisonIvy" <jdan...@uspower.net> wrote in message news:<aa3h0n$7b8vb$1...@ID-85198.news.dfncis.de>...
Brandy
bit "over the top". But, fortunately it's just MS. I know it's nothing
to sneeze at though. I'm just starting off down the road, and may
recant that latter ;)
I hope you're no longer scared?
Brandy
Basia...@yahoo.com (Basia) wrote in message news:<c0a130b5.02042...@posting.google.com>...
Brandy
that I've found a place where I can feel "at home". Please take care!
Brandy
Rhonda <rpw...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<depacugrt9uf2epib...@4ax.com>...
Brandy
any of it. My optic neuritis has since gone away, so my vision is no
longer impaired. But, I do appreciate your attempt to try to help me
with information. That's what I need and lot's of it! Thank you!
Brandy
watchman <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote in message news:<3cc5...@news.nucleus.com>...
Roarke
certainly had a very rapid diagnosis, unlike many of us here, for whom the
process took years or decades. How exactly was the brain biopsy done ? I
know MS isn't good news, but it's not a death sentence, and it's something a
lot of people with worse things would gladly play swapsies for. Look
forward to hearing more from you.
Roarke
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Michael
understand what it is that you're reading.
Dig this:
"Ischemic optic neuropathy", as mentioned in the article you've quoted, means
"fault in optic nerve due to blood vessel rupture or other haemorrhage".
"Optic neuritis" means "inflammation of the optic nerve". In people with MS,
that inflammation is caused by autoimmune attack on the myelin of the optic
tract... not to haemorrhage.
Got that?
Now that I've hopefully undone a wee bit of the stupid, morally-bankrupt mess
you're creating with your ignorant pronouncements, ... there *is* one thing you
can clear up.
I keep hearing that iron is bad for people... like, a friend told me eating
nails can give you a perforated ulcer... er, well... something like that,
anyhow. See... the problem is that I'm not sure I should trust this dude as,
you know, like, a reputable source of information, Tom. So, like, can you give
me your informed and considered opinion on this question... or should I just
fuck off right now and stop bothering you?"
Love me or hate me, Tom. I'm not too concerned which you do... if only you'd
just shut up and stop bothering these good people with your obsessive,
wrong-headed, dangerous and psychotic fixations.
((U))
M
In article <3cc5...@news.nucleus.com>, watchman says...
Michael
He didn't answer anything for you, and the article he offered you was pulled
from his database (he's spent several years building one to support his
looney-toons "theory",) by simply searching for the word "optic". He doesn't
understand the article himself, and it isn't even tangentially applicable to
optic neuritis or to MS.
He's a one-trick pony, he's an idiot, he's a loon, and he's not even on the same
planet as you.
Just see his explanation of all this "iron" stuff at
www.nucleus.com/~watchman/please
You'll enjoy it, I'm sure... don't forget to ask him about the loaves and the
heme-iron in the fishes.
((U))
M
In article <666bb999.02042...@posting.google.com>,
twittyk...@yahoo.com says...
LEPP
PoisonIvy
my wonderful husband.
I have recently seen an interview with Michal J Fox on CNN. It was shocking
to see him without the makeup etc....
He was very real and honest though, his diagnosis has hit him quite hard,
and he sounded no different than you or I.
Thanks for the complement, and I am glad you appear to be feeling a little
better just knowing there are others around that do understand.
SusanToo
where you are now. Glad to hear it wasn't a brain tumor.
SusanToo
Joan Carter
wrote:
}Thank you for your concern, but I'm afraid I didn't hardly understand
}any of it. My optic neuritis has since gone away, so my vision is no
}longer impaired. But, I do appreciate your attempt to try to help me
}with information. That's what I need and lot's of it! Thank you!
Brandy, be very careful of any 'advice' given by this person who calls
himself Watchman. He advocates blood letting as a cure for just about
every disease going and posts to several different newsgroups. Many
people here ignore him but he continues to hang around. There are many
people here with really great information. Paul has an excellent site
with many articles that he and Cowboy post on a frequent basis. But be
wary of Watchman. Trust me on this one.
---
Joan
Take advice from these people with a large grain of salt. Rob (of Rob and Stef) and Watchman. They spout untruths.
Jim Carter
>Now that I've hopefully undone a wee bit of the stupid, morally-bankrupt mess
>you're creating with your ignorant pronouncements,
Good to see you back, Michael!
watchman
> Brandy, be very careful of any 'advice' given by this person who calls
> himself Watchman. He advocates blood letting as a cure for just about
> every disease going and posts to several different newsgroups. Many
> people here ignore him but he continues to hang around. There are many
> people here with really great information. Paul has an excellent site
> with many articles that he and Cowboy post on a frequent basis. But be
> wary of Watchman. Trust me on this one.
Trust me ..
That is a good one .. Joan ..
I'm going to write that one down ..
Because I can ... still write ..
How about you .. ?
Dangerous
would suggest to a new comer bloodletting . Give it a rest. I have kept
silent with your nonsense posts. Now go and dig a hole ten feet by ten feet,
jump in and I am sure there will be many of us willing to fill in the hole.
Disgusted with you.
Dora
watchman wrote:
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When opportunity knocks...don't miss the dance.
watchman
Notice the dates on the articles ..
You can listen to the naysayers .. who are deteriorating rapidly .. or
take the bull by the horns and do a bit of reading ..
It has been shown there is iron found in the brain in high amounts ..
It has been shown MS to be genetically linked to elevated iron through the
HLA-HFE ..
Phytic acid / Ip6 is a natural iron chelator found in any health food
store.
Vegetarian diet is high in phyic acid (usually) .. and low in highly
absorbable iron.
Take some time to absorb the material .. and reread it again .. it is very
important ..
Arch Neurol 2002 Jan;59(1):62-8
T2 hypointensity in the deep gray matter of patients with multiple sclerosis: a
quantitative magnetic resonance imaging study.
Bakshi R, Benedict RH, Bermel RA, Caruthers SD, Puli SR, Tjoa CW, Fabiano
AJ, Jacobs L
Department of Neurology, University at Buffalo, State University of
New York, USA. rba...@buffalo.edu
CONTEXT: While gray matter T2 hypointensity in multiple sclerosis (MS)
has been associated with physical disability and clinical course,
previous studies have relied on visual magnetic resonance imaging
(MRI) assessments. OBJECTIVE: To quantitatively determine if T2
hypointensity is associated with conventional MRI and clinical
findings in MS. DESIGN: Case-control study. SETTING:
University-affiliated community-based hospital. SUBJECTS: Sixty
patients with MS and 50 controls. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: T2
intensities of the substantia nigra, red nucleus, thalamus, putamen,
globus pallidus, and caudate; third ventricular width; total brain T1
(hypointense) and T2 (hyperintense) lesion volumes; Expanded
Disability Status Scale (physical disability) score; and disease
course. RESULTS: Deep gray matter T2 hypointensity was present in
patients with MS in all structures (P<.005) except for the substantia
nigra. T2 hypointensity was associated with third ventricle
enlargement and higher T2 but not T1 plaque load. The regression model
predicting third ventricle width included caudate T2 hypointensity (P
=.006). The model predicting T2 lesion load included globus pallidus
T2 hypointensity (P =.001). Caudate T2 hypointensity was the only
variable associated with disability score in regression modeling (P
=.03). All T2 hypointensities differentiated the secondary progressive
from the relapsing-remitting clinical courses. The final model
(P<.001) predicting clinical course retained T2 hypointensity of the
thalamus, caudate, and putamen but not MRI plaques or atrophy.
CONCLUSIONS: Gray matter T2 hypointensity in MS is associated with
brain atrophy and is a stronger predictor of disability and clinical
course than are conventional MRI findings. While longitudinal studies
are warranted, these results suggest that pathologic iron deposition
is a surrogate marker of the destructive disease process.
PMID: 11790232, UI: 21650106
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Sheng Li Xue Bao 2001 Oct;53(5):334-8
[Relationship between dopamine and iron contents in the brain of parkinsonian
rats].
[Article in Chinese]
Jiang H, Chen WF, Xie JX
Medical School of Qingdao University, Qingdao 266021.
[Medline record in process]
Using fast cyclic voltammetry (FCV), atomic absorption/flame emission
spectrophotometry and high performance liquid chromatography for
electrochemical detection, we studied the change in iron content in
the substantia nigra (SN) of 6-hydroxydopamine (6-OHDA) lesioned
Parkinsonian (PD) rats and the toxic effect of intranigral injection
of iron on DA neurons. The neuroprotective effect of desferrioxamine
mesylate was also observed. The results are as follows. (1) The iron
content in SN on the lesioned side of 6-OHDA-lesioned PD rats was
about three times as high as that in unstandard PD rats. (2) The iron
content in caudate putamen (CPu) on the lesioned side of PD rats was
not different from that on the unlesioned side. (3) DA release as well
as the content of DA and its metabolites were significantly decreased
on the lesioned side of PD rats. (4) In the rats pretreated with
intracerebroventricular desferrioxamine mesylate before 6-OHDA
injection, the release and content of DA on the lesioned side were not
significantly different from those on the unlesioned side. (5)
Intranigral injection of 40 micrograms FeCl3 resulted in a dramatic
reduction of both DA release and content in CPu. The above results
strongly suggest that 6-OHDA reduces the DA release from CPu, in which
iron plays an important role. Elevation of iron content in SN is one
of the mechanisms responsible for the reduction of DA content.
Desferrioxamine mesylate may exert a protective action on dopaminergic
neurons.
PMID: 11833414, UI: 21821751
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J Trace Elem Med Biol 2001;15(4):221-8
Dietary phytate and mineral bioavailability.
Grases F, Simonet BM, Prieto RM, March JG
Laboratory of Renal Lithiasis Research, University of Balearic
Islands, Palma de Mallorca, Spain. dqu...@ps.uib.es
[Medline record in process]
The relation between the dietary phytate (InsP6), mineral status and
InsP6 levels in the organism, using three controlled diets (AIN-76A,
AIN-76A + 1% phytate, AIN-76A + 6% carob seed germ), are studied.
AIN-76A is a purified diet in which InsP6 is practically absent. No
important or significant differences in the mineral status (Zn, Cu,
Fe) of blood, kidneys, liver, brain and bone, were observed, except
iron in the brain. Thus, the amounts of iron found in the brain of
rats fed AIN-76A + 1% InsP6 were significantly inferior to those found
in rats fed AIN-76A diet. The amounts of InsP6 found in organs of rats
fed AIN-76A diet became very low or even undetectable while the ones
found in rats fed diets that contained 1% and 0.12% (AIN-76A + 6%
carob seed germ) InsP6, were considerably higher and similar. Moreover
the majority of rats fed AIN-76A diet exhibited calcifications at the
corticomedullary junctions, whereas no calcifications were detected in
rats fed the other two diets. From these results, it can be deduced
that there was no important adverse effects on mineral status as a
consequence of the presence of InsP6 in the studied diets. Besides,
considering that a 0.12% InsP6 contained in the AIN-76A purified diet
through the addition of a 6% of carob seed germ to this diet, produced
the same beneficial effects as the direct addition of a 1% of InsP6
and no negative effects on mineral status was observed, it can be
concluded that the value of the presence of InsP6 at adequate amounts
in the diet is remarkable and must be favourably considered.
PMID: 11846011, UI: 21834565
John Cawston
> On 23 Apr 2002 13:08:24 -0700, Michael <muir...@island.net> wrote:
>
> >Now that I've hopefully undone a wee bit of the stupid, morally-bankrupt mess
> >you're creating with your ignorant pronouncements,
Wondered where you had got to!
Heather
SYLV77
Well, I guess you are now an official resident of our newsgroup; you got hit by
one of our resident trolls, Watchman.
Pay no attention to anything this guy writes; it's all BS.
Welcome to the club!
Sylvia
SYLV77
>Love me or hate me, Tom. I'm not too concerned which you do... if only
>you'd
>just shut up and stop bothering these good people with your obsessive,
>wrong-headed, dangerous and psychotic fixations.
This is what I love about you! You hit the nail on the head! <giggle>
Anyway, welcome back!
Sylvia
Joan Carter
}I'm going to write that one down ..
}
}Because I can ... still write ..
}
}How about you .. ?
}
}Who loves ya.
}Tom
}--
Anyone care to translate this for me? He can write and thinks I can't?
How does he think these words are getting out. Bless his heart, he
tries.......
Joan Carter
}Notice the dates on the articles ..
}You can listen to the naysayers .. who are deteriorating rapidly .. or
}take the bull by the horns and do a bit of reading ..
How much of your own blood have you donated to the cause?
Michael
>
>Welcome back Michael!
Thanks, Susan. I don't suppose I'll get as warm a hello from the Iron Man
though, huh? <G>
((U))
M
Michael
Thanks, Jim. I thought I'd flamed out in my recent forays into the bc.politics
NG... but it seems I'm still carrying a torch for the Man of Steel... uhhh...
the Boy of Iron... errr... the Clot.
--
Michael <muir...@island.net>
- "Phlebotomy. It's not just for breakfast anymore."
Michael
Tell me then, what do you make of the fact that the first of the abstracts below
doesn't mention anything about iron-induced pathology in MS, merely that iron
deposition might be used as an indicator of MS?
And for your next trick... maybe you can tell us all what the hell a paper on
rats with Parkinsonian symptoms has to do with MS in humans?
Do you even have the faintest notion what any of this shit means, Tom?
You're not only an idiot and a loon, you're hopelessly deluded if you think
you're gooing to get anything but the rough ride your idiotic rantings deserve.
--
Michael <muir...@island.net>
- Phlebotomy. Only a truly loving God would demand
both your blood *and* the end of your pee-pee.
In article <3cc5...@news.nucleus.com>, watchman says...
>
Michael
Thanks, Sylvia. I'm sure Tom was a total asshole once upon a time... but
somebody gave him a lobotomy, and he's all better now.
Trouble is, it's left him a wee bit dim, you know? He's credited his new-found
good humour to the "phlebotomy", and thanks his stars every day that they put a
titanium plate over the hole instead of a steel one.
--
Michael <muir...@island.net>
- Phlebotomy. When you care enough to give the
very best, give blood... and give 'til it hurts.
Michael
I didn't really "get to" anywhere, Heather... I just had to take a posting
holiday because the volume of stuff was getting to me.
I smelled troll spoor, and had to investigate. <G>
--
Michael <muir...@island.net>
- "Phlebotomy. Mother Nature goofed, but thanks to medieval
medicine, the lack of vampires is an obstacle no more."
Michael
>
>On 23 Apr 2002 16:45:10 -0600, watchman <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote:
>
>}I'm going to write that one down ..
>}
>}Because I can ... still write ..
>}
>}How about you .. ?
>}
>}Who loves ya.
>}Tom
>}--
>Anyone care to translate this for me? He can write and thinks I can't?
>How does he think these words are getting out. Bless his heart, he
>tries.......
Translation: "I'm not a cripple... follow my lead and you won't be either."
Yeah... he tries, but try as he might, he *fails* so consistently that he should
get some sort of award for bullheadedness, or bloodymindedness, or obsinacy
above and beyond the call. Bless his flaccid little heart.
--
Michael <muir...@island.net>
- "Phlebotomy. Bleeding-heart liberalism is not enough."
d...@cheetah.net
>Welcome back Michael!
>
>Michael wrote:
>
>> Tom... you're still a fucking loon, and you still can't read properly or
>> understand what it is that you're reading.
>>
Hi! Michael, I second Susan's "Welcome Back"
and, may I add, the clairty of your comment
to Tom.
Donn
Carole
>
> Bravo, Tom.
>
> You're not only an idiot and a loon, you're hopelessly deluded if you think
> you're gooing to get anything but the rough ride your idiotic rantings deserve.
>
> --
> Michael <muir...@island.net>
> - Phlebotomy. Only a truly loving God would demand
> both your blood *and* the end of your pee-pee.
My hero is back. Good to hear from you Michael.
Carole
Michael
>
>On 23 Apr 2002 17:15:15 -0600, watchman <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote:
>
>}Notice the dates on the articles ..
>}You can listen to the naysayers .. who are deteriorating rapidly .. or
>}take the bull by the horns and do a bit of reading ..
>
>How much of your own blood have you donated to the cause?
C'mon, Tom... answer the lady.
And maybe you can tell us just what condition of yours it was that you cured by
bloodletting.
--
Michael <muir...@island.net>
- "Phlebotomy. Got Blood?"
Benjamin Spock
>>
>>That is a good one .. Joan ..
>>
>>I'm going to write that one down ..
>>
>>Because I can ... still write ..
>>
>>How about you .. ?
>
>will be the only person on earth who has any clue what you
>are trying to say. You don't know it, but your message comes across
>as gibberish to any educated person. Each word has a meaning, but you
>have put them together randomly and hoped the end product will mean
>something -- it does not, trust me in this. Further, you have not
>written even one sentence in that message. Are you a typical product
>of the Canadian school system?
I'm sorry to say I have to take some of the blame for this, Mr Harper.
Mr. Hennessy was raised at home according not only to principles I espoused
early in my career, but his low-middle IQ was unfortunately not recognized until
he had already been an enriched Montessori student for several years.
I'm afraid his already limited emotional and intellectual potential was
hopelessly frustrated by this oversight... and one can only hope he has seen fit
not to curse our fair species with any progeny.
All Best,
BS
Michael
Danke schöen, Donn. (How come I can't see those words without hearing Wayne
Newton in the back of my skull?)
--
Michael <muir...@island.net>
- "Phlebotomy. It's not how anaemic you
make 'em, it's how you make 'em anaemic."
Michael
>
>Michael wrote:
>>
>> Bravo, Tom.
>> Do you even have the faintest notion what any of this shit means, Tom?
>>
>> You're not only an idiot and a loon, you're hopelessly deluded if you think
>>you're gooing to get anything but the rough ride your idiotic rantings deserve.
>>
>> --
>> Michael <muir...@island.net>
>> - Phlebotomy. Only a truly loving God would demand
>> both your blood *and* the end of your pee-pee.
>
>My hero is back. Good to hear from you Michael.
Wow... sure is neat when a woman likens you to a sandwich. <G>
would that be a hot beef hero, by any chance?
(I am *so* bad.... LOL)
--
Michael <muir...@island.net>
- "Phlebotomy. I couldn't give at the
orifice, so they gave me an extra one."
Dangerous
Dora
Michael wrote:
--
Lynne
train.
- Lynne
Michael <muir...@island.net> wrote in message
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Lynne
- Lynne
Dangerous <dang...@telus.net> wrote in message
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Brandy
done (I think, because I wasn't awake) by the neurosurgeon drilling
into my skull and then using something to extract the icky white area
(plaque/lesion?). Anyhow, that's about all that I know. I did wake up
in the hospital with 11 stitches in my head, so I know they went in
that way. lol (laughing out loud).
Brandy
"Roarke" <mr.r...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<nujx8.37102$ML.55...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>...
> Hey, good name and this may also be a good time to drink some. You've
> certainly had a very rapid diagnosis, unlike many of us here, for whom the
> process took years or decades. How exactly was the brain biopsy done ? I
> know MS isn't good news, but it's not a death sentence, and it's something a
> lot of people with worse things would gladly play swapsies for. Look
> forward to hearing more from you.
>
> Roarke
>
> "Brandy" <twittyk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:666bb999.02042...@posting.google.com...
> > To make a long story relatively short, just before valentine's day
> > this year, my left eye went blurry in the center (optic neuritis) and
> > I went from the eye doctor to the lab (the blood work ruled out
> > diabetes) to an MRI and then to a neurologist. She was really worried
> > about a white flag that spread like a banner over the left side of my
> > brain, additionally there were little white "stars" that were
> > indicative of MS. In any case, she was concerned that I had a brain
> > tumor. So, I was sent to a neurosurgeon (my brain was too swollen to
> > safely do a spinal tap). We looked over the MRI's and scheduled a
> > brain biopsy the following week. I was put on steroids for a few days
> > prior to the surgery then went through another MRI the morning of the
> > surgery and the brain biopsy followed. On Tuesday the 2nd of April I
> > went back to the neurosurgeon and learned that it was not a brain
> > tumor. The following day I went back to my neurologist and was
> > diagnosed with RRMS. We discussed "therapy" and settled on Avonex. I
> > haven't started taking it yet, as I just found out today that my
> > insurance only covers prescriptions up to $500! Anyhow, the Avonex
> > company is sending me a form to apply for financial assistance (I'm a
> > college student).
> > I'm not really sure what or why I'm telling you all this...I guess I
> > just came across this site and thought you all sounded knowledgeable
> > and caring. I'm a 32 year old female college student who just recently
> > realized that it's okay to admit that you're scared, and I am. Thank
> > you for listening.
Brandy
That was awfully wicked of you!
watchman <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote in message news:<3cc5...@news.nucleus.com>...
Michael
somewhere deep down beneath all the crap that substitutes for his personality.
He's insane, and can't help the things hee says or the things he believes.
Many of us have asked him, pleaded with him, to get the help he so obviously
needs, but all to no avail, I'm sad to say.
So... I've decided that since he's not looking for help, he might be looking for
a kick in the pants instead. I can't physically do that, and I might be
charged with assault if I did, so I settle for critiquing his work and insulting
his style.
Works for me.
--
Michael <muir...@island.net>
- "Phlebotomy. Bleed early, bleed often!"
In article <666bb999.0204...@posting.google.com>,
twittyk...@yahoo.com says...
watchman
> Now, now... he isn't wicked, Brandy. He might even be a very *good* man,
> somewhere deep down beneath all the crap that substitutes for his personality.
> He's insane, and can't help the things hee says or the things he believes.
Need alot more insane men .. then .. Mike ..
I called it in MD .. six years before the mouse model showed it to be a
viable treatment ..
I called it in cystic fibrosis .. sickle cell .. alzheimers .. parkinsons
.. Hiv .. the list is endless .. pal ..
I've spoken to them to their faces .. and gotten back the same response
you give me .. to my face .. years ago ..
> Many of us have asked him, pleaded with him, to get the help he so obviously
> needs, but all to no avail, I'm sad to say.
Yeh .. tell it to the kid ..
> So... I've decided that since he's not looking for help, he might be looking for
> a kick in the pants instead. I can't physically do that, and I might be
> charged with assault if I did, so I settle for critiquing his work and insulting
> his style.
Read that again .. can't physically do that ..
The kid can ..
Who loves ya.
Tom
--
gloria
Gloria
"Michael" <muir...@island.net> wrote in message
news:aa50u...@drn.newsguy.com...
gloria
of the Canadian school system?
I wouldn't go that far, I really don't think he attended school at least not
here in Canada
gloria
"Stephen Harper" <har...@boston.pu> wrote in message
news:8d1ccu42ibsroi6o1...@4ax.com...
> On 23 Apr 2002 16:45:10 -0600, watchman <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote:
>
> >Trust me ..
> >
> >That is a good one .. Joan ..
> >
> >I'm going to write that one down ..
> >
> >Because I can ... still write ..
> >
> >How about you .. ?
>
gloria
lol
Gloria
"Michael" <muir...@island.net> wrote in message
news:aa504...@drn.newsguy.com...
gloria
gloria
"Dangerous" <dang...@telus.net> wrote in message
news:3CC5E82F...@telus.net...
> Watchman you are such a troll. I too have optic neuritis and to think you
> would suggest to a new comer bloodletting . Give it a rest. I have
kept
> silent with your nonsense posts. Now go and dig a hole ten feet by ten
feet,
> jump in and I am sure there will be many of us willing to fill in the
hole.
>
> Disgusted with you.
>
> Dora
>
> watchman wrote:
>
> > Brandy <twittyk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > this year, my left eye went blurry in the center (optic neuritis) and
> >
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
> > --
> > Jesus was a Vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman
> > Moses was a Mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html
>
gloria
Gloria
"Joan Carter" <jeca...@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:g90ccu07ac4verqei...@4ax.com...
Dangerous
Dora
Dangerous
Dora
Gaylan
"Watchman", who signs himself as Tom and attaches the words "Who loves ya"
has a very narrow view of life and according to his thinking (??) all things
bright and beautiful are coloured by iron, as in too much iron in the blood,
and we must **all undergo bloodletting.
Please take care when reading his posts.
You might also note his sig line contains "Jesus was a vegetarian" and
"Moses was a mystic", and if you inquire into these statements, he has
nothing to support them.
We all love Tom (watchman) but we have learned to ignore most of what he
says.
Gaylan
"watchman" <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote in message
news:3cc5...@news.nucleus.com...
>
> I'm going to write that one down ..
>
> Because I can ... still write ..
>
> How about you .. ?
>
Gaylan
Gaylan
"Joan Carter" <jeca...@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:mrvbcuote9ksn5m56...@4ax.com...
> On 23 Apr 2002 16:45:10 -0600, watchman <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote:
>
> }I'm going to write that one down ..
> }
> }Because I can ... still write ..
> }
> }How about you .. ?
> }
> }Who loves ya.
> }Tom
> }--
> Anyone care to translate this for me? He can write and thinks I can't?
> How does he think these words are getting out. Bless his heart, he
> tries.......
>
>
Gaylan
Gaylan
"Michael" <muir...@island.net> wrote in message
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gloria
fat head, so make that end slightly larger ok
Gloria
"Dangerous" <dang...@telus.net> wrote in message
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Lady Celena
> >
> >On 23 Apr 2002 16:45:10 -0600, watchman <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote:
> >
> >}I'm going to write that one down ..
> >}
> >}Because I can ... still write ..
> >}
> >}How about you .. ?
> >}
> >}Who loves ya.
> >}Tom
> >}--
> >Anyone care to translate this for me? He can write and thinks I can't?
> >How does he think these words are getting out. Bless his heart, he
> >tries.......
>
> Translation: "I'm not a cripple... follow my lead and you won't be either."
>
> Yeah... he tries, but try as he might, he *fails* so consistently that he should
> get some sort of award for bullheadedness, or bloodymindedness, or obsinacy
> above and beyond the call. Bless his flaccid little heart.
Michael,
How can he be bloodyminded if he keeps on going through the bloodletting process? ;)
Cyd
Lady Celena
> Michael <muir...@island.net> wrote:
> > Now, now... he isn't wicked, Brandy. He might even be a very *good* man,
> > somewhere deep down beneath all the crap that substitutes for his personality.
>
> > He's insane, and can't help the things hee says or the things he believes.
>
> Need alot more insane men .. then .. Mike ..
>
> I called it in MD .. six years before the mouse model showed it to be a
> viable treatment ..
>
> I called it in cystic fibrosis .. sickle cell .. alzheimers .. parkinsons
> .. Hiv .. the list is endless .. pal ..
>
> I've spoken to them to their faces .. and gotten back the same response
> you give me .. to my face .. years ago ..
>
> > Many of us have asked him, pleaded with him, to get the help he so obviously
> > needs, but all to no avail, I'm sad to say.
>
> Yeh .. tell it to the kid ..
>
> > So... I've decided that since he's not looking for help, he might be looking for
> > a kick in the pants instead. I can't physically do that, and I might be
> > charged with assault if I did, so I settle for critiquing his work and insulting
> > his style.
>
> Read that again .. can't physically do that ..
>
> The kid can ..
>
And guess what? SO CAN I... And you know what? Never had a
bloodletting done on me... Wow, fancy that.
Wow. Haven't had Tom's version of "treatment"... And I can still go
whoop his ass. AND I'M A GIRL. Go fig.
He needs to go tell it to the psychiatrist.
Cyd <sarcasm intensity="sledgehammer">who loves ya?</sarcasm>
Mona
learn a few things from Watchman IMO, if we would really read what he shares
with us.
--
Laura
Queen of the Mercury Amalgam Aspartame Multiple Sclerosis Society
"Stephen Harper" <har...@boston.pu> wrote in message
news:is4ecuolc03t9k7eo...@4ax.com...
> On 23 Apr 2002 18:27:30 -0700, Benjamin Spock <tota...@childrearing.org>
wrote:
>
> >I'm sorry to say I have to take some of the blame for this, Mr Harper.
>
> Did you tell his mother that she tell him that he is the center of the
> universe? There is no other explanation for his continued belief about
> iron in the face of attempts by Ed Hill and Paul Jones to educate him.
> Not to mention the contempt in which he holds the members of this forum by
> trying to send them to a web site which so much as states that it is only
> for stupid people only. I notice that he was drawn to the site rather
> quickly.
watchman
Read this post fully .. and realize SHE 'started' with optic neuritis ..
Scary stuff .. Brandy ..
Better take some GOOD advice and DO EVERYTHING .. these people didn't ..
do ..
Logic ..
Who loves ya.
Tom
> Dearest Brandy
> Our stories are quite similar. I, too, started out with the optic
> neuritis. I, too, was told it could be a tumor. There were many hours
> of fear and panic before the MRI results indicated only the ON...and
> not a tumor.
> I am so glad for you that it wasn't a tumor....but also, having MS is
> no picnic either:/
> It is quite natural now for you to feel afraid. There are going to be
> some big changes in your life as a result of this. BUT....there will
> also be some good come of it, as well.
> I have learned a great deal about myself since being diagnosed...I am
> stronger than I ever imagined I could be...braver than I thought I
> would be...and more optimistic that I realized. I have also made some
> new friends along the way. People that I would have never met
> otherwise have become a part of my everyday life....and that is truly
> a blessing.
> Two very important tools....patience and forgiveness. Patience for
> yourself on the days you are having difficulties and patience with
> others who simply don't understand you, your feelings or the disease.
> Forgiving yourself for the days you pull the covers over your head and
> protest life....and forgiveness for those around you that don't
> understand you, your feelings or the disease.
> The rest just has to be worked out as you go along...but ASMS is here
> to help you when needed
> Welcome...Rhonda
> On 22 Apr 2002 19:36:29 -0700, twittyk...@yahoo.com (Brandy)
> wrote:
>>To make a long story relatively short, just before valentine's day
>>this year, my left eye went blurry in the center (optic neuritis) and
>>I went from the eye doctor to the lab (the blood work ruled out
>>diabetes) to an MRI and then to a neurologist. She was really worried
>>about a white flag that spread like a banner over the left side of my
>>brain, additionally there were little white "stars" that were
>>indicative of MS. In any case, she was concerned that I had a brain
>>tumor. So, I was sent to a neurosurgeon (my brain was too swollen to
>>safely do a spinal tap). We looked over the MRI's and scheduled a
>>brain biopsy the following week. I was put on steroids for a few days
>>prior to the surgery then went through another MRI the morning of the
>>surgery and the brain biopsy followed. On Tuesday the 2nd of April I
>>went back to the neurosurgeon and learned that it was not a brain
>>tumor. The following day I went back to my neurologist and was
>>diagnosed with RRMS. We discussed "therapy" and settled on Avonex. I
>>haven't started taking it yet, as I just found out today that my
>>insurance only covers prescriptions up to $500! Anyhow, the Avonex
>>company is sending me a form to apply for financial assistance (I'm a
>>college student).
>>I'm not really sure what or why I'm telling you all this...I guess I
>>just came across this site and thought you all sounded knowledgeable
>>and caring. I'm a 32 year old female college student who just recently
>>realized that it's okay to admit that you're scared, and I am. Thank
>>you for listening.
watchman
>> Disgusted with you.
Somehow this post didn't come up in my reader ..
Deem yourself lucky ..
watchman
>>Michael wrote:
>>
>>> Tom... you're still a fucking loon, and you still can't read properly or
>>> understand what it is that you're reading.
>>>
Such language .. jrkof..
watchman
> On 23 Apr 2002 13:08:24 -0700, Michael <muir...@island.net> wrote:
>>Now that I've hopefully undone a wee bit of the stupid, morally-bankrupt mess
>>you're creating with your ignorant pronouncements,
Morally bankrupt ..?
Now you are really reachin' .. there eh .. Mike ..
Can't fight with medical studies .. so you try to go for the balls .. eh
..
You are a pathetic little man .. who .. ain't gonna make it to the
mountain top there .. boy ..
James
exercise level up...
In article <TeCx8.17153$zj6.5...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>, "gloria" <kid-h...@shaw.ca>
wrote:
> I will borrow the extra shovels, seems like I will need extra because of his
> fat head, so make that end slightly larger ok
>
> Gloria
> "Dangerous" <dang...@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:3CC6C27F...@telus.net...
> > I have extra shovels if you need one.
> > Dora
> >
> > gloria wrote:
> >
> > > I will, fill the hole that is
> > >
> > > gloria
> > > "Dangerous" <dang...@telus.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3CC5E82F...@telus.net...
> > > > Watchman you are such a troll. I too have optic neuritis and to think you
> > > > would suggest to a new comer bloodletting . Give it a rest. I have
> > > > kept silent with your nonsense posts. Now go and dig a hole ten feet by ten
> > > > feet, jump in and I am sure there will be many of us willing to fill in the
> > > > hole.
> > > >
> > > > Disgusted with you.
> > > >
> > > > Dora
--
Take care,
watchman
> I smelled troll spoor, and had to investigate. <G>
Don't go huntin' bar without a gun there boy .. might get your ass bit ..
again ..
watchman
> Hi Michael!
>>Love me or hate me, Tom. I'm not too concerned which you do... if only
>>you'd
>>just shut up and stop bothering these good people with your obsessive,
>>wrong-headed, dangerous and psychotic fixations.
> This is what I love about you! You hit the nail on the head! <giggle>
> Anyway, welcome back!
What?
You like people who are too stupid to know how to use a killfile ..?
Jeez your life must be .. full ..
watchman
Then Gaylan .. you simply can't understand the written word ..
Must be a bee-atch .. eh ..
That and the rest of the problems must not make life really seem like ..
worth livin' .. eh ..
No brain .. no brawn ..
watchman
> In article <g90ccu07ac4verqei...@4ax.com>, Joan says...
>>
>>On 23 Apr 2002 17:15:15 -0600, watchman <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote:
>>
>>}Notice the dates on the articles ..
>>}You can listen to the naysayers .. who are deteriorating rapidly .. or
>>}take the bull by the horns and do a bit of reading ..
>>
>>How much of your own blood have you donated to the cause?
> C'mon, Tom... answer the lady.
What ? I see no question?
I see the pathetic ramblings of an .. old cow ..
YOU use the term .. lady .. loosely .. somewhat like you hold your ..
bowels ..
> And maybe you can tell us just what condition of yours it was that you cured by
> bloodletting.
You ask this question .. again?
Losing your short term memory .. too ..?
Hit it ..
watchman
> Bravo, Tom. You've shown us how to search for info.
Hey Mike .. you may 'think' I take anything you say as anything BUT a
rambling jrkof .. but you are wrong ..
Dangerous
process.
Dora
James wrote:
--
Jim Carter
>Somehow this post didn't come up in my reader ..
>
>Deem yourself lucky ..
She echoes the sentiments of everyone here, so address your bile to us all.
Here is her message, because you missed it the first time...
Dangerous
Dora
Jim Carter wrote:
--
Pamela Roberts
| Tom... you're still a fucking loon, and you still can't read
properly or
| understand what it is that you're reading.
|
Ah, Michael ... we missed you!
Pamela Roberts
get none (to follow his attempt at dialect humor) ... but I'll bite
your lily white any time! Just a little nibble or two ...>
"watchman" <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote in message
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Pamela Roberts
earlier post ... but you can climb my mountain top any time you wanna
...>
"watchman" <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote in message
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Pamela Roberts
gone other that ... but you can come revive my files whenever you
want!>
"watchman" <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote in message
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Jim Carter
>What?
>
>You like people who are too stupid to know how to use a killfile ..?
>
>Jeez your life must be .. full ..
Perhaps she does not like people who are so stupid that they hang around where
they are despised by every decent and thinking person present. And because you
have reading comprehension problems I will elaborate and point out that means
YOU who is stupid.
Pamela Roberts
because (jeez, it's sooooo pitifully sad ... no one will play with
him!), but you can graze in my fields all day!>
"watchman" <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote in message
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Pamela Roberts
but you can ramble my way any day!>
"watchman" <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote in message
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gloria
Michael can write a proper sentence and back up what he says. Can you, that
is without the data base you obviously have, Can you truly come up with
anything knowledgable out of your pea brain?
gloria
"watchman" <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote in message
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gloria
Gloria
"James" <jbri...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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gloria
Gloria
"Dangerous" <dang...@telus.net> wrote in message
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Gaylan
and I enjoy life **very much, thank you.
You, poor Tom, on the other hand, seem to be able to read and cut and paste
but you have trouble understanding, because -- surprise, surprise, not every
thing is related to iron in the blood. Amazing,isn't it?
Gaylan
"watchman" <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote in message
news:3cc7...@news.nucleus.com...
gloria
bloodletting yourself. The hole being dug is now getting deeper and I don't
mind filling it.
Answer me this, Tom, what credentials do you have?
Gloria
"watchman" <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote in message
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gloria
seems to bother him that he can come close to you in knowledge.
Gloria
"watchman" <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote in message
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Jim Carter
>>>Michael wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tom... you're still a fucking loon, and you still can't read properly or
>>>> understand what it is that you're reading.
>>>>
>
>Such language .. jrkof..
Ah, poor Tommy. Diddams get your feelings hurt by that big, bad Michael?
watchman
> Tom, you can't read at all, the key word was Love not Like and at least
>> >>wrong-headed, dangerous and psychotic fixations.
Actually ... I don't think that was the 'key word' at all ..
But .. it is obvious to me .. you would think it is ..
Seeing that you can't actually UNDERSTAND the meaning of a hell of a lot
..
> Michael can write a proper sentence and back up what he says. Can you, that
> is without the data base you obviously have, Can you truly come up with
> anything knowledgable out of your pea brain?
Back up what he says?
He's been told outright by other members of the list to stop posting long
winded articles NOONE can understand .. and then he admits fully to the
fact he himself doesn't understand them .. BUT posts them because he
thinks they might be of 'some' use to 'somebody' .. somewhere ..
Same with 'cowboy' .. mass emails ANYTHING which says ANYTHING about what
HE thinks is related to MS .. and by the looks of the bulk of it .. he is
a pretty confused fella .. IMHO ..
Jim Carter
YOU are attempting to correct someone else's reading comprehension?
Tommy, bless your heart, you just provided everyone with a good laugh.
Thank-you.
gloria
can't even answer a simple question.
gloria
"watchman" <watc...@nucleus.com> wrote in message
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gloria
gloria
"Jim Carter" <jimc...@gmx.net> wrote in message
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watchman
> Yes, Tom, I do understand the written word,
> and I enjoy life **very much, thank you.
> You, poor Tom, on the other hand, seem to be able to read and cut and paste
> but you have trouble understanding, because -- surprise, surprise, not every
> thing is related to iron in the blood. Amazing,isn't it?
> Gaylan
And you would KNOW wouldn't you .. Gaylan ..
What list are we on?
Hit it ..
Joan Carter
}And you would KNOW wouldn't you .. Gaylan ..
}
}What list are we on?
Gaylan probably knows more than you ever will, Tommytit. By the way
are you a vampire, Rusty?
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Joan
Take advice from these people with a large grain of salt. Rob (of Rob and Stef) and Watchman. They spout untruths.
Jim Carter
>And you would KNOW wouldn't you .. Gaylan ..
>
>What list are we on?
The multiple sclerosis newsgroup, which is knowledge you lack. It is not a
newsgroup for the idiotic ramblings of a kook who thinks he has discovered the
universal cure for all disease processes. That kook is you, Pogo.