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Alopecia Areata
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lobulinemia
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Psoriasis
Raynaud's Phenomenon
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Sarcoidosis
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Sjögren's Syndrome
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Takayasu Arteritis
Temporal Arteritis/Giant Cell Arteritis
Ulcerative Colitis
Uveitis
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Vitiligo
Wegener's Granulomatosis
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JiLs
to rheumatic fever, and remembered that my mum had that as a child.
then i got to your sigline
then i had to run to the loo for a pee .. before it hit the chair ..
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~~JiLs~~
Old age and treachery will triumph over youth & skill
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John Smith
In the absence of a God thank goodness for the drugs business.
Chris Fincham
"With such ineffective immune systems its a wonder we ever evolved at
all.
In the absence of a God thank goodness for the drugs business."
Evolution ensures the future health of all species by ensuring that
only the strongest/healthiest/most intelligent individuals survive to
breed and raise young.
Perhaps the problem is that we messed with the evolutionary process -
by not only saving the weakest/sickliest/least intelligent among us,
but by helping them to breed & raise their young.
It's a kind & gentle approach in the short term, but genetic suicide
in the long run.
Chris F
Glen Appleby
alt.support.mult-sclerosis,cmcc...@sympatico.ca (Chris Fincham)
wrote:
>Evolution ensures the future health of all species by ensuring that
>only the strongest/healthiest/most intelligent individuals survive to
>breed and raise young.
That is *a* way to look at it.
For another, perhaps more useful perspective, you mught read The
Book (see my sig for which one -- and it *ain't the bible ... of
any religion).
>Perhaps the problem
Which problem, specifically, are you seeing?
>is that we messed with the evolutionary process -
>by not only saving the weakest/sickliest/least intelligent among us,
>but by helping them to breed & raise their young.
>
>It's a kind & gentle approach in the short term, but genetic suicide
>in the long run.
"No matter how thin you make a pancake, it still has two sides."
-- Dr. Phil
As a proponent of the other side in this (come over to The Dark
Side), might I suggest that without the very compassion that
makes this possible, we will all die from the mistreatment of
eachother and the resulting problems of that mistreatment.
--
"Who we are and who we become depends, in part, on whom we love."
-- "A General Theory Of Love" Thanks, Mom
______________________________________________________________
Glen Appleby gl...@armory.com <HTTP://www.armory.com/~glena/>
Michael
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We'll probably never know.
As long as our numbers continue to increase and the strong/smart/intelligent
among us tend so often to use their gifts predominantly for power and
personal gain, we won't have time for our weak-gened kin to cause our
genetic suicide, Chris.
Things keep up the way the are, and our species won't outlast this century.
((U))
M
Glen Appleby
alt.support.mult-sclerosis,"Michael" <muir...@island.net> wrote:
>"Chris Fincham" <cmcc...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:dd7bfcc3.02121...@posting.google.com...
>>
>> only the strongest/healthiest/most intelligent individuals survive to
>> breed and raise young.
>>
>> Perhaps the problem is that we messed with the evolutionary process -
>> by not only saving the weakest/sickliest/least intelligent among us,
>> but by helping them to breed & raise their young.
>>
>> It's a kind & gentle approach in the short term, but genetic suicide
>> in the long run.
>
>We'll probably never know.
>
>As long as our numbers continue to increase and the strong/smart/intelligent
>among us tend so often to use their gifts predominantly for power and
>personal gain, we won't have time for our weak-gened kin to cause our
>genetic suicide, Chris.
>
>Things keep up the way the are, and our species won't outlast this century.
You said it evn better than I did.
One of the reasonsthat I like you is that you can word things in
a way that makes me feel so inadequate.
Aw, I'm used to feeling inadequate: I'm long-married.
Michael
"Glen Appleby" <dirt...@rcip.com> wrote in message
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>
> One of the reasonsthat I like you is that you can word things in
> a way that makes me feel so inadequate.
>
> Aw, I'm used to feeling inadequate: I'm long-married.
Hmph. Long-separated, I still feel inadequate too often to suit me.
You mean it would be worse if I still hung out with the bitch?
((U))
M
Glen Appleby
That might depend on how good the sex was (for varying values of
"good", of course).
Chris Fincham
Glen wrote:
"Which problem, specifically, are you seeing?"
The same problems which compassionate human breeders created for
purebred dogs, by breeding & selling unneutered "pet quality" dogs, ie
the pups which weren't good enough for the breeders to keep - a
significant increase in the incidence & types of autoimmune
disease/birth defects/congential conditions/breed-related health
problems, increased incidence of behavioural problems, decreased
resistance to pathogens such as bacteria & viruses, increased
incidence of infertility/loss of ability to gestate & birth
offspring/increased incidence of mis-mothering, in all popular breeds
of purebred dogs.
There are a few exceptions. (eg) Border collies, which were/are
largely bred by farmers...and since farmers tend to be practical
people, border collie pups which weren't healthy or which didn't
demonstrate the ability to work were/are routinely euthanised...and
Border collies didn't develop all the problems of breeds created for
the show ring.
I wrote:
"is that we messed with the evolutionary process -
by not only saving the weakest/sickliest/least intelligent among us,
but by helping them to breed & raise their young.
It's a kind & gentle approach in the short term, but genetic suicide
in the long run."
Glen wrote:
"As a proponent of the other side in this (come over to The Dark
Side), might I suggest that without the very compassion that
makes this possible,{"
otoh, that very compassion makes it possible for murderers to obtain
parole & murder again, for abused children to be returned to their
abusers, for drunk drivers to continue to drink & drive, and for
pedophiles to live in close proximity to their potential victims.
Is it compassionate to spend $1 million to save one North American
child with multiple serious birth defects who will require life-long
nursing care, when thousands of otherwise healthy African children are
starving to death?
I Glen wrote:
"we will all die from the mistreatment of
eachother and the resulting problems of that mistreatment."
Disagree. The most intelligent humans will do what they did in the
past - band together into communities and gain the strength of numbers
as protection against those who would mistreat them. Community as a
survival strategy works nicely, but survival of the community must be
of more importance than survival of any of the individuals who make up
that community.
(eg) From a community survival viewpoint, sentencing a murderer to
death is the most sensible option. Yes, an innocent person might be
killed in error - but the safety of the community is more important
than the possible accidental death of one individual.
Chris F
Sylvia
> Evolution ensures the future health of all species by ensuring that
> only the strongest/healthiest/most intelligent individuals survive to
> breed and raise young.
Yes, but what if the parents are strong and healthy when they have
children? In my case, both my parents were very healthy when I was
born. Aside from what age will do to you, they both still are.
Last winter, a distant cousin sent me some fascinating records from my
father's family. It listed birth dates, marriages, children, death
dates, and cause of death.
I eagerly looked though all these records. There were a lot of them!
Mt great-grandmother was one of 16 children!
These records were all from the 19th century. The cases of death?
Many accidents, many illneses, childbirth. . .most of these are not
very common today.
I'd say the average age at death was 45. I'm not kidding.
So it is probably through modern medicine, safety regulations, and
sanitation that people are living longer now. Most likely, many of my
ancestors did not live long enough to get the diseases they were
predisposed to get.
> Perhaps the problem is that we messed with the evolutionary process -
> by not only saving the weakest/sickliest/least intelligent among us,
> but by helping them to breed & raise their young.
Maybe in some cases. And you also have to consider genetic mutation;
normal parents have children with diseases because of mutation. And
then there's the planet we live on today. I can't remember the exact
figure, but there are thousands of chemicals arouond today that
weren't around when our grandparents were growing up. Or our parents,
for that matter.
We are harming ourselves, but not only in the way you stated. Our
bodies are not designed to live in this world, so we can't deal with a
lot of what it is throwing our way. The result? I believe it's
cancer, autoimmune disease, and birth defects. I didn't even mention
the food most people eat; "digging your grave with your teeth" my
grandfather called it.
Sylvia
Michael
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:40:25 -0800, in
> alt.support.mult-sclerosis,"Michael" <muir...@island.net> wrote:
> >"Glen Appleby" <dirt...@rcip.com> wrote in message
> >news:2ht10v0unvh7j7gnv...@4ax.com...
> >>
> >> One of the reasonsthat I like you is that you can word things in
> >> a way that makes me feel so inadequate.
> >>
> >> Aw, I'm used to feeling inadequate: I'm long-married.
> >
> >Hmph. Long-separated, I still feel inadequate too often to suit me.
> >
> >You mean it would be worse if I still hung out with the bitch?
>
> That might depend on how good the sex was (for varying values of
> "good", of course).
"Good" didn't vary. She was a hooker in her teens.
((U))
M
Glen Appleby
alt.support.mult-sclerosis,cmcc...@sympatico.ca (Chris Fincham)
wrote:
>I wrote: "Perhaps the problem ..."
>
>Glen wrote:
>"Which problem, specifically, are you seeing?"
>
>The same problems which compassionate human breeders created for
>purebred dogs,
Oh, my. Through some administrative edict, we are now at just
about the same level as dogs.
I'm surprised that you didn't take the leap to comparing us with
trees or rocks. If one wants to make a rediculuous analogy, one
might as well go for broke.
>increased incidence of mis-mothering,
FINALLY! I was *wondering* if you were to stumble upon something
relevant.
If you would read The Book (see sig), you would see the relevance
of this and the almost complete irrelevance of the rest of what
you mention.
>I wrote:
>"is that we messed with the evolutionary process -
>by not only saving the weakest/sickliest/least intelligent among us,
>but by helping them to breed & raise their young.
>It's a kind & gentle approach in the short term, but genetic suicide
>in the long run."
>
>Glen wrote:
>"As a proponent of the other side in this (come over to The Dark
>Side), might I suggest that without the very compassion that
>makes this possible,{"
>
>otoh, that very compassion makes it possible for murderers to obtain
>parole
Another tangential leap into irrelevance.
>Is it compassionate to spend $1 million to save one North American
>child with multiple serious birth defects who will require life-long
>nursing care, when thousands of otherwise healthy African children are
>starving to death?
"If it helps just ONE person ... "
>I Glen wrote:
>"we will all die from the mistreatment of
>eachother and the resulting problems of that mistreatment."
>
>Disagree.
Gawrsh, how did I know that?
>The most intelligent humans will do what they did in the
>past - band together into communities and gain the strength of numbers
>as protection against those who would mistreat them. Community as a
>survival strategy works nicely, but survival of the community must be
>of more importance than survival of any of the individuals who make up
>that community.
>
>(eg) From a community survival viewpoint, sentencing a murderer to
>death is the most sensible option. Yes, an innocent person might be
>killed in error - but the safety of the community is more important
>than the possible accidental death of one individual.
You have, more than once here, mentioned deviant human behavior,
as if crushing that will make us better humans and help us to
survive.
I have a phrase that I often use in situations like this: You're
shooting at the wrong target.
The only viable reason for putting people in prison or executing
them is because we are not yet bright enough to figure out a
better way to bring them back "into the fold". Punitive measures
are nothing more than an expression of the failure to understand
ourselves.
I could go on at great lengths about this (and, if I know you
well enough to predict, we will), but this is more than enough
for now.
In the interim, I would suggest that you might benefit from
reading both "A General Theory Of Love" (Drs. Lewis, Amini and
Lannon) and "The Continuum Concept" (Jean Liedloff). After you
have done that, *then* we can talk.
Glen Appleby
alt.support.mult-sclerosis,"Michael" <muir...@island.net> wrote:
>"Glen Appleby" <dirt...@rcip.com> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:40:25 -0800, in
>> alt.support.mult-sclerosis,"Michael" <muir...@island.net> wrote:
>> >"Glen Appleby" <dirt...@rcip.com> wrote in message
>> >news:2ht10v0unvh7j7gnv...@4ax.com...
>> >>
>> >> a way that makes me feel so inadequate.
>> >>
>> >> Aw, I'm used to feeling inadequate: I'm long-married.
>> >
>> >Hmph. Long-separated, I still feel inadequate too often to suit me.
>> >
>> >You mean it would be worse if I still hung out with the bitch?
>>
>> That might depend on how good the sex was (for varying values of
>> "good", of course).
>
>"Good" didn't vary. She was a hooker in her teens.
Oh, YIKES!!!
A teen boy's dream -- an AuldGai's fear.
I'm guessing that the problems that you experienced with her are
frighteningly close to those that I experience with mine.
Having something of a hint of what it feels like to deal with
that, I have even more respect for you.
Michael
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:27:15 -0800, in
> alt.support.mult-sclerosis,"Michael" <muir...@island.net> wrote:
> >"Glen Appleby" <dirt...@rcip.com> wrote in message
> >news:4e720vg233d448m6a...@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:40:25 -0800, in
> >> alt.support.mult-sclerosis,"Michael" <muir...@island.net> wrote:
> >> >"Glen Appleby" <dirt...@rcip.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:2ht10v0unvh7j7gnv...@4ax.com...
> >> >>
> >> >> One of the reasons that I like you is that you can word things in
> >> >> a way that makes me feel so inadequate.
> >> >>
> >> >> Aw, I'm used to feeling inadequate: I'm long-married.
> >> >
> >> >Hmph. Long-separated, I still feel inadequate too often to suit me.
> >> >
> >> >You mean it would be worse if I still hung out with the bitch?
> >>
> >> That might depend on how good the sex was (for varying values of
> >> "good", of course).
> >
> >"Good" didn't vary. She was a hooker in her teens.
>
> Oh, YIKES!!!
>
> A teen boy's dream -- an AuldGai's fear.
I was 30 when we met, and the teen boy in me was very impressed without
discomfiting the AulGai a whit... we were only married a few years, and most
of it was good.
> I'm guessing that the problems that you experienced with her are
> frighteningly close to those that I experience with mine.
I dunno about that. It just turned out she was too effed up to be of any
use to herself with a disabled hubby around... let alone to help support a
disabled hubby. Before I got sick, our marriage was actually fairly
healthy, or so I thought. "Healthy but fragile" is probably a better
description, in hindsight.
((U))
M
Glen Appleby
alt.support.mult-sclerosis,"Michael" <muir...@island.net> wrote:
>"Glen Appleby" <dirt...@rcip.com> wrote in message
>
>> I'm guessing that the problems that you experienced with her are
>> frighteningly close to those that I experience with mine.
>
>I dunno about that. It just turned out she was too effed up to be of any
>use to herself with a disabled hubby around... let alone to help support a
>disabled hubby. Before I got sick, our marriage was actually fairly
>healthy, or so I thought. "Healthy but fragile" is probably a better
>description, in hindsight.
Sounds so frighteningly close to my situation.
I don't find psychological classifications to be worth a darned,
when it comes to helping people; but I have come to refer to
Kathy (but only in the privacy of my own mind .... well, and
here, apparently) as a "functional psychotic".
She lives her day-to-day with this amazing facade. When she
comes home to me, she hangs it on the coatrack and starts going
off at me ... because I am safe.
Aside from that, though, my situation is very close to what you
describe for yourself. A difference, perhaps, is that she sees
others needing help (me included) as a good reason not to address
her own issues to make herself happy.
I must admit, though, that it is getting a bit better, here.
Hey, I'm just going along for the ride.
Dabrinah
what grabbed me in your post:
>"digging your grave with your teeth" my
>grandfather called it.
Oh, a fine turn of phrase. Thanks.
Dabrinah
Chris Fincham
"I'm surprised that you didn't take the leap to comparing us with
trees or rocks. If one wants to make a rediculuous analogy, one
might as well go for broke.
relevant.
If you would read The Book (see sig), you would see the relevance
of this and the almost complete irrelevance of the rest of what
you mention.
and more, but I didn't read the rest.
Glen, I can play the sneering-down-from-on-high game as well as
anyone, probably because I used to practice a lot.
But I came to realize that I inadvertently hurt people sometimes,
while doing nothing more than expressing my honest opinions...and I
wasn't proud that I'd been deliberating adding to the amount of bad
feelings I contribute to this world, for no other reason than to boost
my fragile ego.
I'm bowing out of discussions with you, Glen. Feel free to assume
that you've crushed me.
Chris F :-)
Glen Appleby
alt.support.mult-sclerosis,cmcc...@sympatico.ca (Chris Fincham)
wrote:
>Glen wrote:
>"I'm surprised that you didn't take the leap to comparing us with
>trees or rocks. If one wants to make a rediculuous analogy, one
>might as well go for broke.
>FINALLY! I was *wondering* if you were to stumble upon something
>relevant.
>If you would read The Book (see sig), you would see the relevance
>of this and the almost complete irrelevance of the rest of what
>you mention.
>Another tangential leap into irrelevance"
>
>and more, but I didn't read the rest.
A shame, because you seem to feel as if you were "bitten" by the
humor (OK *attempt* at homor. I make no claims for the quality)
that I use to make a point and steer discussions out of the
irrelevant and more toward areas that seem to be more useful to
discussions about MS.
>Glen, I can play the sneering-down-from-on-high game as well as
>anyone, probably because I used to practice a lot.
I saw that and tried to pass it by.
>But I came to realize that I inadvertently hurt people sometimes,
What you were saying didn't hurt *me*, but I would imagine that
it could have been hurtful to others, here.
>while doing nothing more than expressing my honest opinions...and I
>wasn't proud that I'd been deliberating adding to the amount of bad
>feelings I contribute to this world, for no other reason than to boost
>my fragile ego.
Ob Dr. Phil: "So, how's that workin' for ya?"
>I'm bowing out of discussions with you, Glen. Feel free to assume
>that you've crushed me.
YIKES! Is *that* what you felt was my intent?
It wasn't. My intent was to debunk the popular myth of
"Darwinizing" or that those with disease should simply die as a
way of improving the gene pool.
If you would read the two books that I mentioined (the first half
of both, especially), you would see what I was saying, and
without anything from me that might make it appear that anybody
is trying to "crush" you.
Chris Fincham
"Last winter, a distant cousin sent me some fascinating records from
my
father's family. It listed birth dates, marriages, children, death
dates, and cause of death.
I eagerly looked though all these records. There were a lot of them!
Mt great-grandmother was one of 16 children!
These records were all from the 19th century. The cases of death?
Many accidents, many illneses, childbirth. . .most of these are not
very common today."
What a neat experience! Sylvia, I'm green with envy - I'd love to
have family records like that!
Chris F :-)
John Smith
species..........not the strongest. Diversity is the name of the game and
essential for survival. Evolution uses a shotgun approach to achieve this by
ensuring a broad diversity within that species. If we erred at all it was to
allow too much interminglinging of the species which has had the effect of
haemogonising the gean pool and stifling the diversity. Now our gean pool is
broadly homogenous so our likelyhood of surviving a dramatic enviornmental
shift if greatly reduced. Fortunatly like viruses we only need a few
thousand survivors to repopulate eventually.
Evolution as a culling mechanism is not supported by current thinking.
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DeliciousLaugh
allow too much interminglinging of the species which has had the effect of
haemogonising the gean pool and stifling the diversity. Now our gean pool is
broadly homogenous so our likelyhood of surviving a dramatic enviornmental
shift if greatly reduced.
Can you state what it is you mean by this?
Thanks,
Deva
John Smith
intermingle more and more,
the diversity of our genetic differences becomes less and less. OK lets
assume that a virus develops in one sector of the world which is lethal to
the local population...........then it is more likely to be lethal on a
grand scale worldwide than if we have thousands of pockets of genetically
diverse individuals, and communitys. The "coming plague scenario" places a
lot of emphasis on the risk of increased international travel and the lack
of racial genetic diversity. I dont hold ANY views on race,culture,religion
or any bull in general...............there are too many opportunists out
there looking for a cause to get all riled up about. MS and the Drugs
Scandal are enough for me.
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Diane Komaroff
what's been going on this last century!
I'd never thought of this before! Makes sense! Thanks, Chris.
I'm going to have to ponder on this...
I think somebody said that he doesn't want to think of himself as a
deffect, a useless genetic failure.
Well, I don't mind. I'd rather not pass on what I've got, but I'm not
miserable about this, as God still thinks I'm cute.
Glen Appleby
alt.support.mult-sclerosis,"John Smith" <tbo2...@iol.ie> wrote:
>Nothing racist intended.........it simply means that as the races
>intermingle more and more,
>the diversity of our genetic differences becomes less and less. OK lets
>assume that a virus develops in one sector of the world which is lethal to
>the local population...........then it is more likely to be lethal on a
>grand scale worldwide than if we have thousands of pockets of genetically
>diverse individuals, and communitys. The "coming plague scenario" places a
>lot of emphasis on the risk of increased international travel and the lack
>of racial genetic diversity.
What you have said is theoretically true.
However, the reality of it is that races and cultures have been
mixing since the beginning of time (with a few exceptions, based
mostly on geography).
Of course, the opposite also presents problems: breeding within
too narrow a bloodline is equally undesireable.
It's going to take many thousands of years to intermix to the
point that this scenario will present a real problem and we'll
all kill ourselves by other methods long before that (if we stay
on our present course).
Chris Fincham
"Nothing racist intended.........it simply means that as the races
intermingle more and more,
the diversity of our genetic differences becomes less and less. OK
lets
assume that a virus develops in one sector of the world which is
lethal to
the local population...........then it is more likely to be lethal on
a
grand scale worldwide than if we have thousands of pockets of
genetically
diverse individuals, and communitys. The "coming plague scenario"
places a
lot of emphasis on the risk of increased international travel and the
lack
of racial genetic diversity. I dont hold ANY views on
race,culture,religion
or any bull in general...............there are too many opportunists
out
there looking for a cause to get all riled up about. MS and the Drugs
Scandal are enough for me."
I'm not sure this is true, John, and the best way I can illustrate my
view is by using animals as an example.
All the purebred German Shepherds in the world are descended from only
a few thousand male dogs which were listed in the German Shepherd stud
book decades ago - and the result has been a huge increase in the
incidence of (eg) hip displasia & behavioural problems which has
rended the breed undesirable for service work. Ditto for eye problems
in Labs, skin problems in Shar Pei's, temperament problems in cocker
spaniels etc.
But mongrel dogs don't show the same genetic problems because they
realize the benefits of hybrid vigour, ie the mixing of unrelated
genes. Ditto for purebred vs "mongrel" horses, sheep, cows, chickens
etc. In terms of health, the animals populations in which genetic
lines have been protected from the infusion of new genetics are
relatively sickly.
So from my experience as an animal breeder, I strongly support the
intermingling of racial types as a means for the human race to benefit
from hybrid vigour. Genetic problems can be avoided by ensuring that
closely-related individuals (siblings, cousins etc.) do not breed, a
practice which is already supported by our laws...and by respecting
Nature's laws, ie either by not sustaining the lives of individuals
who could not survive under normal cicumstances - or sustaining their
lives, but ensuring that they do not procreate.
And on that note, gotta' go. Winter lambing has started and I've
already got one little bottle lamb (named "Squirt") snuggled in my
lap. Squirt's basically healthy, he's just the smaller of twins and
was weak at birth. 'Course, I'm bonding to him like crazy and I'll
likely end up keeping him as a pet.
But Squirt will never breed. He was weak at birth and would have died
without human intervention - that alone marks Squirt as a cull for
breeding purposes.
Chris F :-)
Joan Carter
alt.support.mult-sclerosis:
>And on that note, gotta' go. Winter lambing has started and I've
>already got one little bottle lamb (named "Squirt") snuggled in my
>lap. Squirt's basically healthy, he's just the smaller of twins and
>was weak at birth. 'Course, I'm bonding to him like crazy and I'll
>likely end up keeping him as a pet.
Aw, Chris, bring him to Perth, I will feed him. Cute little lambs. Er, do they
wear diapers?
Now I have REALLY changed the topic of this post, but I don't make New Year's
Resolutions, so can't stop doing that. :-)
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