Argggg! Is all I can say!
MPitc2000
mood!
I am trying though! I am over 16 days late for my period..they have been
coming 19, then 38 days apart. I AM TOTALLY BLOATED...TOTALLY HEADACHEY...
TOTALLY SPACEY...anxiety ridden and
GOD, IF THEY ARE OVER AND I STILL FEEL THIS WAY CALL KAVORKIAN...WILL YA????
ok...i am trying to relax....THANKS FOR LETTING ME VENT!!!!!!!!!
Argggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!
Love to you all...although right now, you might not want mine :)
Mary P
Cathy Friedmann
not to bet on *anything* concerning peri. <g> I remember those hugely
annoying phantom periods, when you _wanted_ one to show up, ***right now***,
to get rid of the premenstrual symptoms, but... nothing, or else it took
f-o-r-e-v-e-r to show up. At 5 years since my last period, I still get
premenstrual symptoms now & again - killer lower backache, slightly crampy,
tetchy, anxious, etc., etc. - definitely argggghhhh!
Cathy
--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon
MPitc2000 <mpit...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Kevin and Sue
I did not want to hear that after 5 yearss you are still getting PMS. I
am hoping that I will reach my One Year Mark in feb. and was hoping that
any further PMS would be mild or non existant.
I have had many phantom periods and wished they would come so the misery
would be over. Altho I did not mind when they did not come and the PMS
went away.
sue
Martian
The love is gladly received! This sounds just like my life!!! But I
personally think we should all experience "zest" before seriously
considering calling in Dr. K!!!
--Jane
HomemakerJ
MPitc2000 wrote:
> That and I will throw in a happy holiday to all.... but trust me I am in no
> mood! I am trying though! I am over 16 days late for my period..they have
> been
> coming 19, then 38 days apart. I AM TOTALLY BLOATED...TOTALLY
> HEADACHEY...TOTALLY SPACEY...anxiety ridden and
> GOD, IF THEY ARE OVER AND I STILL FEEL THIS WAY CALL KAVORKIAN...WILL YA????
So nice of you to drop in. Happy holidays to you, too. Sounds like you are
experiencing a phantom period.
Cool Runnings,
HomemakerJ
HomemakerJ
> I am hoping that I will reach my One Year Mark in feb. and was hoping that
> any further PMS would be mild or non existant.
That's been my experience. The only way I could tell that I was still "cycling"
is that I'd get drier for a few days. But, no PMS feelings. The only thing I can
speculate about Cathy's 5 year post PMS is that because she got to stop bleeding
so early she has had to pay these dues which will hopefully stop as she nears the
"average" age to be post-menopausal. ;-)
Cool Runnings,
HomemakerJ
Kevin and Sue
dues and then some. Actualy my PMS symptoms are much milder already,
then they used to be.
Thanks for the encouragement!!
sue
Cathy Friedmann
news:3B60E17F...@attbi.com...
That's also my theory - that my body's a tad confused & is simultaneously
running on 2 different timelines, & that's what I'm hoping, too! I'm 51, so
this all better quit by a couple of years from now, AFAIC!
MPitc2000
>experiencing a phantom period.
>
>Cool Runnings,
>HomemakerJ
Hi J....boy it has been a while, eh?
I can tell you one thing...before this period my sex drive was through the
roof!!!!
My husband showed up with a prego test worried because of that! LOL LOL
...What is up with that? Is that the zest? I thought it was going to mean I
was going to have energy to have a meticulous house!!!!! NOT SEXUALLY!!!
And BTW I know this is about female meno...but what is up with the men at our
ages (47)???
My husband should have tried out for the sequal to Grumpy Old Men (other than
his sexual prowess!!!) He is totally jealous of me. I have walked now for two
years and I am FINALLY getting rid of all the extra baggage I was carrying
since childbirth!!!!!!!
He wont move his butt though...just sitting around moping :(
Ahh well...I guess I cant motivate him!
HomemakerJ
> Hi J....boy it has been a while, eh?
Yeah, but that may be a good thing, that you haven't needed much support!
> I can tell you one thing...before this period my sex drive was through the
> roof!!!! My husband showed up with a prego test worried because of that!
> LOL LOL ...What is up with that? Is that the zest?
Yes, that's a zest, and probably, in your case, your boys getting big enough that
they're not always around so there's time to be alone again. Or maybe you've
been watching that Replens (not sure of brand they're advertising) commercial?
:-)
> I thought it was going to mean I was going to have energy to have a meticulous
> house!!!!!
Now what in the world would you want that for? But, yes, you do seem to get
enough energy to clean the house in no time, if you wish.
> And BTW I know this is about female meno...but what is up with the men at our
> ages (47)??? My husband should have tried out for the sequal to Grumpy Old Men
> (other than his sexual prowess!!!)
Glad you brought that up. I don't exactly know what's up with the men, either.
I've been asking mine to not be so Archie Bunker. Is it that they sense we are
feeling better and can now let loose their own mid-life crisis? Is it just
coincidence? I was so sure that I'd kept my husband abreast of how I felt and
why as best I could all through my peri-menopause and also tried to be sensitive
to his issues such as losing physical strength, losing hair, bad feet, crashing
fatigue, a need of space and full control of the remote, realizing that he hadn't
made millions and probably wouldn't, etc. Just when I started feeling terrific
he went into a real slump that lasted about six months. Fortunately, it seems to
have passed and we're back on track again.
> He is totally jealous of me. I have walked now for two years and I am FINALLY
> getting rid of all the extra baggage I was carrying since childbirth!!!!!!!
Oh, Mary, this is excellent! I'm so proud of you. You are the second woman on
a.s.m. to say that they have taken up walking with great results.
> He wont move his butt though...just sitting around moping :(
> Ahh well...I guess I cant motivate him!
As for your husband's jealousy, it's probably projection of whatever troubles
him, rather than actually not being pleased at how you look now. Stick to your
guns and do your own thing as much as you can. This is your life. I have this
secret feeling that we women need to steal the ten years or so between when the
kids grow up and leave home and the husbands retire as our most productive years
in terms of accomplishing our own dreams. Enough with the nurturing already.
Let everyone muddle along as best they can.
Cool Runnings,
HomemakerJ
Luna
>From: mpit...@aol.com (MPitc2000)
>Date: 12/26/01 05:31 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20011226173131...@mb-ca.aol.com>
Happy Holidays to all :-)
Luna
Martian
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Yes, forget my earlier positive message. I've switched to b*tch mode, and I
am on a rampage. I am not happy with school, gravity, kinetic energy, and
other things. At least my husband, dogs, and cats are still lovable and
sweet, so I have something to live for!!!
--Jane
Luna
>From: "Cathy Friedmann" cl...@adelphia.net
>Date: 12/26/01 05:55 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <a0dkj9$khikb$1...@ID-103542.news.dfncis.de>
>
>Maybe you're all over, but I wouldn't bet on it... during peri, I learned
>not to bet on *anything* concerning peri. <g> I remember those hugely
>annoying phantom periods,
Lord have mercy - I am having one now.
when you _wanted_ one to show up, ***right now***,
>to get rid of the premenstrual symptoms, but... nothing, or else it took
>f-o-r-e-v-e-r to show up.
Yes - Yes! I need the relief. I have always had really bad PMS and always had
real bad periods, and now it is going out with a bang! BOOM!!! I get irritated
that my period just didn't stop an life would go on like it did for my Aunt. Oh
no - It has to wear me down to the ground before it ends. Arrrrr.
At 5 years since my last period, I still get
>premenstrual symptoms now & again - killer lower backache, slightly crampy,
>tetchy, anxious, etc., etc. - definitely argggghhhh!
>
I have been getting cramps and the back pain constantly. I could pull my hair
out. My gyn stinks, but I found a good shrink, at a hospital I like, and asked
him today if he could recommend a good gyn for me. Maybe we could get to the
source of these cramps. He did tell me it is normal to get cramps when going
through "menopause", but I feel it would be a good idea to see if I have any
endometriosis.
High anxiety, depression, rages, hot / cold to maximum extremes - from
shivering to sweating and the marvelous cramps. Not fun at all.
My shrink gave me some anti-psychotics for when I get into a rage. I felt one
coming on tonight, so I took it. It is supposed to knock me out.
hey no spell check for newsgroups on AOL? If there is let me know the secret.
Luna
Luna
Luna
>Subject: Re: Argggg! Is all I can say!
>From: Kevin and Sue kjmu...@home.com
>Date: 12/26/01 06:20 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3C2A5A8E...@home.com>
Cathy Friedmann
> How long would the PMS last for when you didn't get a period?
>
> Luna
Too long! I honestly don't remember, but my guess would be a week to 10
days, *maybe* 2 weeks? Then either I'd finally get a period, or else...
nothing. It didn't seem to matter if it was a phantom period or leading up
to a real one; it was just more annoying in some way, to go through all of
that for "nothing". Which in a way makes no sense, but...
Cathy
--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon
>
Cathy Friedmann
> hey no spell check for newsgroups on AOL? If there is let me know the
secret.
>
> Luna
I may be wrong, but I don't *think* there's a spell checker on the aol news
reader. Laura posts via aol, maybe she'll chime in.
Frankenmel
>Date: 12/27/01 7:28 PM Pacific Standard Time
>I may be wrong, but I don't *think* there's a spell checker on the aol news
>reader. Laura posts via aol, maybe she'll chime in.
I don't think so.
Sharon..who believes in Better Living through Eccentricity
Martian
news:a0got0$km7kb$1...@ID-103542.news.dfncis.de...
> Luna <lunabe...@aol.comladeda> wrote in message
> news:20011227221426...@mb-fo.aol.com...
> > How long would the PMS last for when you didn't get a period?
> >
> days, *maybe* 2 weeks
I had no periods for 6 months at one point, frequently miss periods now, and
I have some of the worst PMS of my life that lasts up to 2 weeks when my
period *should* have come. I haven't been getting the sad/crying
moodswings -- instead I've been irritable super-b*tch when it hits.
--Jane
Kevin and Sue
be if it came. Now that I am getting closer to the end, I get a day or
two now and then, no pattern. Also, I would not go by me because I also
have CFS and sometimes it is hard to tell peri symptoms from CFS, some
symptoms are obviously peri.
sue
MPitc2000
>
>Yeah, but that may be a good thing, that you haven't needed much support!
WELL...HONESTLY....until this no period thing and worried about pregnancy.....
I FELT ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL!
FINALLY getting rid of all the extra baggage I was carrying since
childbirth!!!!!!!
>Oh, Mary, this is excellent! I'm so proud of you.
I now truly believe in walking...it has worked miracles...not overnight...but
after two years I now wear a size 8 and get this
I BOUGHT A PAIR OF LOW RISER LEATHER PANTS AND ACTUALLY DONT HAVE TO WEAR A
BLAZER TO COVER MY FAT A^^!!!! Ahh haa!! Faithfully walking each night has
done that for me.
I have gotten more compliments from Men too and even my sons have seen an
energy level boost. AND...THE BEST PART OF IT IS...the conversations that we
have walking!!!!! OH GOD!!! IF ANYONE HEARD US...WE WOULD BE ARRESTED, BUT it
sure is cheaper than psych sessions :) I walk with one woman who is 41 and has
more hot flashes and panic attacks than i ever did, and one woman who wont tell
us how old she is and she claims to be our best friend...tee hee, but she just
stopped having periods about six mo ago...we figure she is about 52 or so????
We are like wild together...and know how to have FUN!
The older one watches us when we go out and have a glass of wine, the younger
one flirts with the guys (harmlessly though)
and I just sit back and smile!
>As for your husband's jealousy, it's probably projection of whatever troubles
>him,
You know it is really getting serious with him...I believe you are right. I am
finally happy, feel free now that the kids are able to do a whole lot more on
their own and I do believe WE NEED OUR TIME, SPACE, AND HAPPINESS when we can
get it!!!!!!!
He is soooo depressed at times and it seems especially if I put him off as far
as sex goes.... I feel like I am taking candy from a baby...can you relate to
that?
As long as I have sex...we could file for bankruptcy, the house could burn
down,
etc...and he would be happy....but when I dont its mope, mope, mope!!!!
HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK...well....I probably should post this as a whole nother topic.....I am sure
I am not alone on this one, eh?
love ya guys,
mary
Tm n Kat
them is the Gap and their selection is few and far between. Wish more places
carried them so I would not have to shop in the mens section. Kathy J
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Subject: Re: Argggg! Is all I can say!
>Date: 12/27/01
>...I BOUGHT A PAIR OF LOW RISER LEATHER PANTS...
Luna
Luna
>Subject: Re: Argggg! Is all I can say!
>From: Kevin and Sue kjmu...@home.com
>Date: 12/28/01 12:05 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3C2BFCE3...@home.com>
Luna
>personally think we should all experience "zest" before seriously
>considering calling in Dr. K!!!
>
>--Jane
>
>
>
>
Oh the wonderful Z word. I experienced 2 wonderful weeks of it. Gone now
though. Where is Dr. K? Got his number?
Luna
Luna
>So nice of you to drop in. Happy holidays to you, too. Sounds like you are
>experiencing a phantom period.
>
>Cool Runnings,
>HomemakerJ
Hey Homemaker,
I posted here a while back I think using newsranger or something. I remember
you and believe it or not, when I am in bed and not functioning, I think of
you. LOL Just your words of wisdom about dealing with what comes and trying to
relax about it all instead of fighting it. Something like that.
But today I am frustrated cause it has been so many years of this already.
I am also a little foggy from the antipsychotic I took last night. I had to
take it, cause I felt myself starting to get into a rage.
Had to put this wild dog to sleep before I caused some damage. It is bad what I
am going through both physically and mentally.
No spell check here on AOL - and I have no patience to proof read or stick it
in word to do a spell check.
Luna
Kevin and Sue
lucky, it has nothing to do with meno or peri. If you want information
on CFS I can point you in the right direction.
sue
Frankenmel
>Date: 12/28/01 6:16 AM Pacific Standard Time
>
>What is CFS?
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,I believe.
Frankenmel
>Date: 12/28/01 5:33 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Aren't the low rise style wonderful?
I hate them. I always had (when I tried them) the urge to pull them up.Which
goes to show YMV.
Luna
>am on a rampage. I am not happy with school, gravity, kinetic energy, and
>other things. At least my husband, dogs, and cats are still lovable and
>sweet, so I have something to live for!!!
>
>--Jane
>
>
>
Well - my husband was on my nerves last night and this morning, but at least I
had my sweet dogs come and greet me with their wagging tails. What a pleasure
dogs can be.
Luna
Cathy Friedmann
halter top in the early 70's, when they were "in" before - & I was skinny &
could walk around w/ an expanse of my stomach showing. Now my niece - &
every other teen - is wearing them, & all I can think is BTDT - not again,
thanks! Same goes for bias cut dresses & skirts. Or skinny-rib tops with
horizontal stripes.
Cathy
--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon
Frankenmel <frank...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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Frankenmel
>Date: 12/28/01 8:01 AM Pacific Standard Time
>I sort of feel the same way: have a pic of myself wearing low-rise pants & a
>halter top in the early 70's, when they were "in" before - & I was skinny &
>could walk around w/ an expanse of my stomach showing.
BTDT. Those pictures...bittersweet.
> Now my niece - &
>every other teen - is wearing them, & all I can think is BTDT - not again,
>thanks
Britney Spears..they all want to look like her. Or most of them. I would bet BS
can be thanked (and her ilk) for a lot of anorexia.
>Same goes for bias cut dresses & skirts. Or skinny-rib tops with
>horizontal stripes.
Yep.
Luna
>Message-id: <3C2C95AD...@home.com>
>
>"Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" If you do not know about CFS you are very
>lucky, it has nothing to do with meno or peri. If you want information
>on CFS I can point you in the right direction.
>sue
>
as if I have CFS. Who knows with me if it is from peri or not. I think it is
from peri.
Luna
Kevin and Sue
since 1988. I am doing much better than a lot of others with CFS, but
that is still a pain.
If anyone is interested there was an article on CFS on CNN the other
day, here is the link.
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/conditions/12/24/chronic.fatigue/index.html
This article is not the best, but it is acurate. It also shows why I
sometimes do not know if my symptoms are CFS or Peri.
sue
Martian
I used to be so naive back then that I had no idea why all those obnoxious
predatory guys were all over me all the time. Looking back at old pictures,
I get that "aha!" experience!!! I'm a bit thick to wear those things now,
and I really don't care!!!
--Jane
Martian
> Well - my husband was on my nerves last night and this morning, but at
least I
> had my sweet dogs come and greet me with their wagging tails. What a
pleasure
> dogs can be.
My sister-in-law was saying at Christmas that she doesn't have dogs because
it would interfere with her job. My husband and I agreed later that if our
jobs interfered with our dogs, it would be time to get new jobs!!! My dogs
are precious delights! When I come home in a funk, they dance around me and
just make me feel like the most wonderful being in the world. I won't give
that up easily!!! Life is about love, as far as I'm concerned, and dogs are
love.
--Jane
HomemakerJ
> >So nice of you to drop in. Happy holidays to you, too. Sounds like you are
> >experiencing a phantom period.
> >
> >Cool Runnings,
> >HomemakerJ
>
> Hey Homemaker,
>
> I posted here a while back I think using newsranger or something.
I thought it might be you again under a slightly different screenname. Welcome
back!
> I remember you and believe it or not, when I am in bed and not functioning, I
> think of you. LOL
Aw. How touching. ;-)
> Just your words of wisdom about dealing with what comes and trying to
> relax about it all instead of fighting it. Something like that.
It does really help, although there are definitely times when it's hard to
accomplish. But, during those times, it helps if you can just tell yourself that
you know you aren't thinking straight and therefore shouldn't be making any
assumptions, judgements, etc. until the fog lifts, and by all means stay away from
medical books and websites or you'll think you're dying of everything!
> But today I am frustrated cause it has been so many years of this already.
Well, gee, let's see, for me it's been 17 years. I thought I was done last
December, but got a period. Bled a little after a biopsy in January, used estrogen
cream and bled a little again in February, so I've been cautiously optimistic that
I really am done this year, but figured not to announce until March just to be on
the safe side. So, yesterday, with no fanfare, no PMS, bloating, cramps, nothing,
guess what I got? ANOTHER PERIOD! Sigh... Only I don't need much sympathy this
time, having experienced the big disappointment last year and also because in
general I feel great now and will take one period a year any day.
> I am also a little foggy from the antipsychotic I took last night. I had to
> take it, cause I felt myself starting to get into a rage.
When I raged I'd usually hide at my computer playing mindless games or working on
something that kept my whole attention. Comfort foods such as pizza and chocolate
and tea helped. If I found myself raging at the computer I'd bury my nose in a
book and worry about someone else's troubles, usually some pioneer woman. But, the
basic idea is to lay low until it passes. Besides, what with the sugar letdown
from the holidays and the full moon, even if you weren't raging it might be a good
idea to lay low for awhile.
> Had to put this wild dog to sleep before I caused some damage. It is bad what I
> am going through both physically and mentally.
It would help if you could relieve some of the water retention. Are you drinking
lots of water? Pamper yourself as much as possible, even if it goes on a month.
Just keep telling yourself "time out".
Cool Runnings,
HomemakerJ
FurPaw
Martian wrote:
> My sister-in-law was saying at Christmas that she doesn't have dogs because
> it would interfere with her job. My husband and I agreed later that if our
> jobs interfered with our dogs, it would be time to get new jobs!!! My dogs
> are precious delights! When I come home in a funk, they dance around me and
> just make me feel like the most wonderful being in the world. I won't give
> that up easily!!! Life is about love, as far as I'm concerned, and dogs are
> love.
I am with you on this one. We have four, and no doubt we'd
travel more if we didn't need to worry about accomodations for
the dogs. (our big dogs are easy, but the Chihuahuas simply don't
do kennels 8-) And we miss all of them when we don't take them
with us.) Nevertheless, I wouldn't trade our dogs for anything,
for all the joy and fun and love and laughter that they give us.
FurPaw
Frankenmel
>Date: 12/28/01 12:27 PM Pacific Standard Time
>My sister-in-law was saying at Christmas that she doesn't have dogs because
>it would interfere with her job. My husband and I agreed later that if our
>jobs interfered with our dogs, it would be time to get new jobs!!! My dogs
>are precious delights! When I come home in a funk, they dance around me and
>just make me feel like the most wonderful being in the world. I won't give
>that up easily!!! Life is about love, as far as I'm concerned, and dogs are
>love.
This says it all.
Marilee ND
FurPaw <furpa...@home.com> wrote in message
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Hey, FurPaw, I was going to ask you earlier (in reply to a different
post): How do you determine the dosage of glucosamine to give your
dogs? We have a yellow lab cross in our care that injured a hind
leg (or hip?) this summer, and the vet told us it was a
"sports-type" injury, likely not arthritis since it comes and goes,
and since the initial occurrence was sudden and dramatic, with
improvement. (IOW, some days, or hours of the day, she limps
horribly, other times she's seemingly fine, and it's never been as
severe as it was those first 2-3 days in July.)
I never thought of giving her glucosamine. The vet said there
wasn't much to do for her but try to make her rest, but I don't
speak dog--at least to the extent it requires to say, "Now, Kelly,
try to stay off that leg. Don't run around the back yard for at
least 2 weeks."
Marilee
Tm n Kat
They fit me perfectly on the waist just where regular pants should. Normal
jeans and Petites end up way above my rib cage and I have to roll them down.
Kathy J
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Louise Bremner
> Or skinny-rib tops with horizontal stripes.
I even knitted one for myself. Tried it on when I finally got it
finished, wondered whatthehell I'd been thinking of, and was delighted
when my skinny little sister took it. I used to have a photo of her
wearing it, too....
________________________________________________________________________
Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)
If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
Cathy Friedmann
news:1f568l7.pifixl10obpvlN%dame_...@yahoo.com...
> Cathy Friedmann <cl...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> > Or skinny-rib tops with horizontal stripes.
>
> I even knitted one for myself. Tried it on when I finally got it
> finished, wondered whatthehell I'd been thinking of, and was delighted
> when my skinny little sister took it. I used to have a photo of her
> wearing it, too....
My sister swears that a high school girl in her school district (where she
works) is now wearing the exact same horizontally striped skinnyrib/poorboy
top that her friend Janet had in high school in the early-to-mid 70's. Her
theory is that Janet gave it to Goodwill (apparently a lot of kids shop
there, for "vintage" items) or something, & that this kid then picked it up
there 25+ years down the road. ;-)
Frankenmel
speaking of low-rise pants:>Ah, no urge to yank them up here.
>They fit me perfectly on the waist just where regular pants should. Normal
>jeans and Petites end up way above my rib cage and I have to roll them down.
You must be a really tiny person....?
FurPaw
Marilee ND wrote:
> Hey, FurPaw, I was going to ask you earlier (in reply to a different
> post): How do you determine the dosage of glucosamine to give your
> dogs? We have a yellow lab cross in our care that injured a hind
> leg (or hip?) this summer, and the vet told us it was a
> "sports-type" injury, likely not arthritis since it comes and goes,
> and since the initial occurrence was sudden and dramatic, with
> improvement. (IOW, some days, or hours of the day, she limps
> horribly, other times she's seemingly fine, and it's never been as
> severe as it was those first 2-3 days in July.)
>
> I never thought of giving her glucosamine. The vet said there
> wasn't much to do for her but try to make her rest, but I don't
> speak dog--at least to the extent it requires to say, "Now, Kelly,
> try to stay off that leg. Don't run around the back yard for at
> least 2 weeks."
Yeah, just try keeping an otherwise healthy dog down! Have you
tried a strait jacket? 8-)
For Dylan, who weighs 90 lb, our vet said to use at least 500mg
per day of glucosamine. From what I've read, it's hard to
overdose on it.
Here are a couple of articles about using it in dogs:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G3002624 which is from
http://www.onlineveterinarypractice.com/products/prodinfo/orthopaedic/glucosamine.htm
and
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J2101624 which is from
http://www.ivillage.com/pets/expert/vet/articles/0,12329,167004_272294,00.html
The second article mentions starting a 50-100 animal out on
1000-1500 mg of glucosamine, and reducing the amount after a few
weeks.
The Natural Pharmacist http://www.tnp.com/ has quite a bit of
information on glucosamine and chondroitin (human perspective),
which also may be helpful.
I don't know if it will help with injury recovery (it's been used
on horses for this purpose), but it likely can't hurt.
How old is your dog? Hope this helps.
FurPaw
Tm n Kat
for this shape. I fit into a JR size 13 perfectly but they are usually flaired
which is way too young of a style for me. I suppose I could become
domesticated and learn to alter them :) Maybe someday. Kathy J
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Subject: Re: Argggg! Is all I can say!
>Date: 12/28/01
Cathy Friedmann
me. (And I haven't worn a size Jr. 13 since I was maybe 23, even when in my
thinner modes!)
Cathy
--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon
Tm n Kat <tmn...@aol.com.net> wrote in message
news:20011228231544...@mb-mb.aol.com...
Marilee ND
>
>
>
> For Dylan, who weighs 90 lb, our vet said to use at least 500mg
> per day of glucosamine. From what I've read, it's hard to
> overdose on it.
>
> Here are a couple of articles about using it in dogs:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?G3002624 which is from
>
http://www.onlineveterinarypractice.com/products/prodinfo/orthopaedi
c/glucosamine.htm
>
> and
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?J2101624 which is from
>
http://www.ivillage.com/pets/expert/vet/articles/0,12329,167004_2722
94,00.html
>
> The second article mentions starting a 50-100 animal out on
> 1000-1500 mg of glucosamine, and reducing the amount after a few
> weeks.
>
> The Natural Pharmacist http://www.tnp.com/ has quite a bit of
> information on glucosamine and chondroitin (human perspective),
> which also may be helpful.
>
> I don't know if it will help with injury recovery (it's been used
> on horses for this purpose), but it likely can't hurt.
That's what I was thinking. We had been hoping for some
anti-inflammatory prescription, but that didn't happen.
>
> How old is your dog? Hope this helps.
She's 6, I think. Actually, she belongs to my daughter, who can't
take her back, yet, as she's still living in a 'no dogs' apartment.
(This is the daughter who moved from Colorado a couple of years ago,
leaving her abusive husband and taking the dogs with her, for us to
keep until such time as she could house them again. Buddy had to be
put down last summer as his spinal cord was severed by a freakish
break in calcium deposits along his spine, and now Kelly is limping
around about 1/3 of the time.)
Thank you so much for the links.
Marilee
>
> FurPaw
Luna
>Date: 12/28/01 04:44 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3C2CE8F1...@attbi.com>
>
>Luna wrote:
>
>> >So nice of you to drop in. Happy holidays to you, too. Sounds like you
>are
>> >experiencing a phantom period.
>> >
>> >Cool Runnings,
>> >HomemakerJ
>>
>> Hey Homemaker,
>>
>> I posted here a while back I think using newsranger or something.
>
>I thought it might be you again under a slightly different screenname.
>Welcome
>back!
>
Thanks!
>> I remember you and believe it or not, when I am in bed and not functioning,
>I
>> think of you. LOL
>
>Aw. How touching. ;-)
>
>> Just your words of wisdom about dealing with what comes and trying to
>> relax about it all instead of fighting it. Something like that.
>
>It does really help, although there are definitely times when it's hard to
>accomplish. But, during those times, it helps if you can just tell yourself
>that
>you know you aren't thinking straight and therefore shouldn't be making any
>assumptions, judgements, etc. until the fog lifts, and by all means stay away
>from
>medical books and websites or you'll think you're dying of everything!
>
After I read this I had a big friggen laugh. You are so right. With the list of
symptoms I am experiencing, I could catagorize it into many different
conditions.
>> But today I am frustrated cause it has been so many years of this already.
>
>Well, gee, let's see, for me it's been 17 years.
Shoot me now.
I thought I was done last
>December, but got a period. Bled a little after a biopsy in January, used
>estrogen
>cream and bled a little again in February, so I've been cautiously optimistic
>that
>I really am done this year, but figured not to announce until March just to
>be on
>the safe side. So, yesterday, with no fanfare, no PMS, bloating, cramps,
>nothing,
>guess what I got? ANOTHER PERIOD!
Well, that don't sound too bad being you didn't get any of the annoying
problems right before your period. But I have not been reading this NG - so I
really haven't kept up with what you have been experiencing.
I am wondering how many women that are experiencing a hard perimenopause have
had bad PMS or hard periods with cramping, flooding etc. in the previous years.
Sigh... Only I don't need much sympathy
>this
>time, having experienced the big disappointment last year and also because in
>general I feel great now and will take one period a year any day.
>
Sounds good to me.
>> I am also a little foggy from the antipsychotic I took last night. I had to
>> take it, cause I felt myself starting to get into a rage.
>
>When I raged I'd usually hide at my computer playing mindless games
Umm - I ummm - well let's just say the computer went flying off the desk! Got
the picture?
or
>working on
>something that kept my whole attention. Comfort foods such as pizza and
>chocolate
>and tea helped. If I found myself raging at the computer I'd bury my nose in
>a
>book and worry about someone else's troubles, usually some pioneer woman.
>But, the
>basic idea is to lay low until it passes.
Yeah, my shrink wants me to do breathing exercises for 5 to 10 minutes 3 times
a day. If I could lay off the cigarettes for that amount of time, maybe I could
get those exercises in.
Besides, what with the sugar
>letdown
>from the holidays and the full moon, even if you weren't raging it might be a
>good
>idea to lay low for awhile.
>
>> Had to put this wild dog to sleep before I caused some damage. It is bad
>what I
>> am going through both physically and mentally.
>
>It would help if you could relieve some of the water retention. Are you
>drinking
>lots of water?
No I wasn't but am now. I was drinking diet iced tea and stopped with the
water. I did notice a big difference and so I am back on the water.
Pamper yourself as much as possible, even if it goes on a
>month.
>Just keep telling yourself "time out".
>
Will do.
>Cool Runnings,
>HomemakerJ
>
>
>
Peace,
Luna
HomemakerJ
> I am wondering how many women that are experiencing a hard perimenopause have had
> bad PMS or hard periods with cramping, flooding etc. in the previous years.
I had two phases of bad PMS. The first one (at about year ten of peri) was the
worst. I was moody and didn't feel well most of the month, with the exception of
maybe one or two days post period. Irritability was a real problem. It went on
for a year.
It was after that that I began to glimpse my first times of zest. My periods got
lighter and started skipping every three months or so.
The second phase of bad periods (year 14 of peri) came not so much with a rage as a
fog. At first I worried that I was getting alzheimer's, but with reassurance from
this group, I learned to embrace the fog as a quiet time "away" that led to
creativity. My cramps were the worst I'd ever had and I often had floods (although
rarely to the length that the bleeders have reported). I also had periods of
incontinence, which, along with the fog, made me feel that I was aging faster than
I'd anticipated.
After this phase I began to suspect that I'd be done with peri-menopause soon. I
felt this way because I had more energy than I'd had in years, my periods would
often skip for six months, and the fog was replaced by creativity and (shock!) real
phases of wisdom, peace and self-knowledge. I had few symptoms except occasional,
but not prolonged insomnia, and bouts of vaginal dryness. Each month I skipped my
period I'd get a few hot flashes, which I learned to cheer on as it became a signal
that that month the period wouldn't arrive.
> Yeah, my shrink wants me to do breathing exercises for 5 to 10 minutes 3 times
> a day.
I could never get into that. I found gardening relaxing. I began reading a daily
positive thinking booklet and tried to stick to the theme, no matter what.
> If I could lay off the cigarettes for that amount of time, maybe I could
> get those exercises in.
I still haven't quit smoking. Don't know if I will.
> I was drinking diet iced tea and stopped with the water. I did notice a big
> difference and so I am back on the water.
I drank pots of tea for years. It did help get my bladder working more
efficiently, but I kept wondering, what with vaginal dryness, wasn't it possibly
contributing to the dehydration, since tea is a diuretic. It's never been that I
didn't like water, but more of an attitude that, yes, water is nice, and it's
always right there at the tap, and someday.... I got a new neighbor who works at
Whole Foods who got on my case about not drinking plain water. Just to get her off
my back I began toting around a large plastic cup of water and ice which I drink
through a straw. Within a week, I found that not only did I *like* water, but I
preferred it. Now, I drink three of those big cups with ice a day without even
thinking about it and I've noticed big improvement in how I feel. And, my family
has begun to copy me, carrying around their cups of iced water, too.
Hang in there, Luna. I'm not sure which phase of bad periods you're at, but if
it's the first, you could call it your exacerbation of symptoms phase, from which
the rest of peri seems a breeze. If it's the second phase, you'll soon be feeling
like you'll be "done any day" even if it takes another five years of mild symptoms
and occasional periods.
Cool Runnings,
HomemakerJ
Martian
> Ah, no urge to yank them up here.
> They fit me perfectly on the waist just where regular pants should.
Normal
> jeans and Petites end up way above my rib cage and I have to roll them
down.
> Kathy J
I think finding something that fits well and is comfortable is the way to
go. Bodies are so different, whether they're thin, fat, or average. As a
teen, I used to wear jeans that I had to practically use a shoe-horn to put
on -- when I was already very slender, and now my focus is on comfort.
--Jane
Cathy Friedmann
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> "Tm n Kat" <tmn...@aol.com.net> wrote in message
> news:20011228194153...@mb-mb.aol.com...
> > Ah, no urge to yank them up here.
> > They fit me perfectly on the waist just where regular pants should.
> Normal
> > jeans and Petites end up way above my rib cage and I have to roll them
> down.
> > Kathy J
>
> I think finding something that fits well and is comfortable is the way to
> go. Bodies are so different, whether they're thin, fat, or average. As a
> teen, I used to wear jeans that I had to practically use a shoe-horn to
put
> on -- when I was already very slender, and now my focus is on comfort.
>
> --Jane
Oh, yes - I remember all too well "taking in" my jeans along the inside
seams as a teen; god forbid you could pinch any of the fabric - they were
immediately deemed too loose! <g> How I stood wearing them I can now barely
fathom. Didn't bother me at all then, though. I find the same thing: I was
very thin then & comfort didn't enter the picture; now it enters the pic in
a big way.
Frankenmel
>Date: 12/29/01 1:21 PM Pacific Standard Time
>
>Oh, yes - I remember all too well "taking in" my jeans along the inside
>seams as a teen; god forbid you could pinch any of the fabric - they were
>immediately deemed too loose! <g>
I remember lying down to be able to zip them when I was skinny. I remember even
when I was slender hating low-rise bellbottoms. I kept wanting to pull them up.
Cathy Friedmann
Frankenmel <frank...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
> >From: "Cathy Friedmann" cl...@adelphia.net
> >Date: 12/29/01 1:21 PM Pacific Standard Time
>
> >
> >Oh, yes - I remember all too well "taking in" my jeans along the inside
> >seams as a teen; god forbid you could pinch any of the fabric - they were
> >immediately deemed too loose! <g>
>
> I remember lying down to be able to zip them when I was skinny. I remember
even
> when I was slender hating low-rise bellbottoms. I kept wanting to pull
them up.
Yes, one had to pull in one's stomach (what there was of it in the skinny
days!) & lean back on a table or bed to get those jeans on & zipped!
I never had a problem w/ wanting to pull the low-rises up back then, though.
*Now*, they'd proably drive me nuts.
Cathy
--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon
>
>
>
>
Luna
>Message-id: <3C2DFCE6...@attbi.com>
>
>Luna wrote:
>
>> I am wondering how many women that are experiencing a hard perimenopause
>have had
>> bad PMS or hard periods with cramping, flooding etc. in the previous years.
>
>I had two phases of bad PMS. The first one (at about year ten of peri) was
>the
>worst. I was moody and didn't feel well most of the month, with the
>exception of
>maybe one or two days post period. Irritability was a real problem. It went
>on
>for a year.
>
I recall being aware of PMS when I was in my late 20's. I would get high
anxiety, depression, go into rages, and I would feel like my mind was in a fog.
I recall drawing a picture of a smokey cave with a light at the far end of the
tunnel to explain to my husband what it felt like in my mind.
>It was after that that I began to glimpse my first times of zest. My periods
>got
>lighter and started skipping every three months or so.
>
When my periods started getting lighter in my late 30's the PMS was getting
worse. That is when I started screwing around with all sorts of things, looking
for something to make me feel better. At that time insomnia was added to the
list of PMS symptoms and I was at my wits end. Maybe if I would not have
screwed around with the HRT I would be feeling better by now. I wonder
sometimes if I delayed or prolonged the process because of the HRT.
>The second phase of bad periods (year 14 of peri) came not so much with a
>rage as a
>fog. At first I worried that I was getting alzheimer's, but with reassurance
>from
>this group, I learned to embrace the fog as a quiet time "away" that led to
>creativity.
I am 47 now, and have found in the last few years, that I lost my creativity.
Recently I had two good weeks, and used my house as a creative outlet. I got to
clean it up and decorated it as if it were a piece of art. The atmosphere is
warm and quite unusual and interesting.
These last 10 days I went back to feeling like crap and so have done nothing. I
had a very hard time during my last cycle which lasted 52 days. I was taking
unopposed estrogen and PMS hit with a vengence. I lost every ounce of energy I
had and had big time family stress on top of feeling deathly sick. I called my
gyn and asked for some progesterone to induce a period. He prescribed Provera.
I told the receptionist that I was sensitive to progesterone, and I was afraid
Provera would have a bad effect on me and if there was anything else that the
doc could give me to incude the period. She said no, this is what he prescribed
and that is what she is going to call in. I feel she said that because he is so
busy, she didn't want to take the time to get back to him and I was too out of
my mind at the time to insist I discuss this with him. I figured I would try it
because the last time I tried to induce a period to get some relief I took 4%
Crinone every other day for 12 days, and my period never came on.
When I took the Provera I was really loosing it mentally. I called the docs
office and I got someone standing in for him and she told me to continue to
take the Provera and just sedate myself. Let me tell you, my hair turned gray
after that. I am serious.
So I got a period from hell from the Provera and that is when I realized that
it is now time for me to stop with the estrogen - plain and simple. It was not
helping with the PMS - what it was helping with was sleep and that is about it
I think. I will see as time passes.
My cramps were the worst I'd ever had and I often had floods
>(although
>rarely to the length that the bleeders have reported).
My cramps are much less severe now, however I get them for a prolonged period
of time. Like almost always! I wonder if I have endometrosis, and I was feeding
it with the estrogen. Let me tell you, I had a total hysterectomy booked. I was
so fed up - but found a shrink, recently and he told me to hold off. I
cancelled it.
I also had periods of
>incontinence,
Yes - that was another reason I was on the estrogen. I don't have that problem
now and have been off the estrogen for a little over a month.
which, along with the fog, made me feel that I was aging faster
>than
>I'd anticipated.
>
I feel very old.
>After this phase I began to suspect that I'd be done with peri-menopause
>soon. I
>felt this way because I had more energy than I'd had in years, my periods
>would
>often skip for six months, and the fog was replaced by creativity and
>(shock!) real
>phases of wisdom, peace and self-knowledge.
Wow! I am starting to get a glimps of that. I had some serious insight into my
self and life. It lasted 2 weeks.
I have never gone as far as 6 months without a period. Longest time was 3
months. I always wind up trying to induce a period to get some relief.
I had few symptoms except
>occasional,
>but not prolonged insomnia, and bouts of vaginal dryness. Each month I
>skipped my
>period I'd get a few hot flashes, which I learned to cheer on as it became a
>signal
>that that month the period wouldn't arrive.
>
I am getting hot flashes galore now and long periods of shivering cold. I
fluctuate and my aerobic exercise is walking up and down the stairs moving the
dial on the thermostat.
>> Yeah, my shrink wants me to do breathing exercises for 5 to 10 minutes 3
>times
>> a day.
>
>I could never get into that. I found gardening relaxing.
I was doing a bit this summer, but I fadded out and wound up spending a lot of
time in bed. I do love gardening though.
I began reading a
>daily
>positive thinking booklet and tried to stick to the theme, no matter what.
>
I am gonna try to do that - as a matter of fact I did recently start to do
that, but I put that book to the side.
>> If I could lay off the cigarettes for that amount of time, maybe I could
>> get those exercises in.
>
>I still haven't quit smoking. Don't know if I will.
>
>> I was drinking diet iced tea and stopped with the water. I did notice a big
>> difference and so I am back on the water.
>
>I drank pots of tea for years. It did help get my bladder working more
>efficiently, but I kept wondering, what with vaginal dryness, wasn't it
>possibly
>contributing to the dehydration, since tea is a diuretic. It's never been
>that I
>didn't like water, but more of an attitude that, yes, water is nice, and it's
>always right there at the tap, and someday.... I got a new neighbor who
>works at
>Whole Foods who got on my case about not drinking plain water. Just to get
>her off
>my back I began toting around a large plastic cup of water and ice which I
>drink
>through a straw. Within a week, I found that not only did I *like* water,
>but I
>preferred it. Now, I drink three of those big cups with ice a day without
>even
>thinking about it and I've noticed big improvement in how I feel. And, my
>family
>has begun to copy me, carrying around their cups of iced water, too.
>
I get my water delivered and so I have bottles of it. I keep a bottle with me
all the time in the house now.
>Hang in there, Luna. I'm not sure which phase of bad periods you're at,
Thanks and - I don't know what phase I am in either!
but
>if
>it's the first, you could call it your exacerbation of symptoms phase, from
>which
>the rest of peri seems a breeze. If it's the second phase, you'll soon be
>feeling
>like you'll be "done any day" even if it takes another five years of mild
>symptoms
>and occasional periods.
>
I'll let you know!
Take care,
Luna
>Cool Runnings,
>HomemakerJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Frankenmel
>Date: 12/29/01 2:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
>I am 47 now, and have found in the last few years, that I lost my creativity.
>Recently I had two good weeks, and used my house as a creative outlet. I got
>to
>clean it up and decorated it as if it were a piece of art. The atmosphere is
>warm and quite unusual and interesting.
I'm intrigued...I don't get how you could both clean it up and decorate it as
if it were art. Can you explain?
Luna
>Date: 12/29/01 06:06 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20011229180652...@mb-dh.aol.com>
>
>>From: lunabe...@aol.comladeda (Luna)
>>Date: 12/29/01 2:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
>
>>I am 47 now, and have found in the last few years, that I lost my
>creativity.
>>Recently I had two good weeks, and used my house as a creative outlet. I got
>>to
>>clean it up and decorated it as if it were a piece of art. The atmosphere is
>>warm and quite unusual and interesting.
>
>I'm intrigued...I don't get how you could both clean it up and decorate it as
>if it were art. Can you explain?
>
>
living room.
My husband bought me a rug from Senegal, and some other stuff. I had some
carved wood statues put away and other pieces of art work. I found some fabric
I had in my attic from some Country, maybe Indonisia - I don't remember where
it is from.
Anyway, I placed things here and there, and put the fabric on my sofa, laid the
rug down (its a round small rug). I just got totally creative and viewed it as
a piece of art. I had a lot of fun.
As for cleaning - I threw a lot in the garbage, and used these thing I call wet
ones and dry ones. OK - I have one package here called pledge grab-it. These
things are so cool You just stick them on the end of their light weight stick
thingy and walla it picks up dust and the wet ones take off top dirt from the
floor. Makes for fast cleaning.
Luna
Pat Kight
> Oh, yes - I remember all too well "taking in" my jeans along the inside
> seams as a teen; god forbid you could pinch any of the fabric - they were
> immediately deemed too loose! <g>
Oh, god, yes - I can remember wearing jeans so tight I had to lie down
on the bed to worm into them.
And then, practically the very next year, bell-bottoms of the "elephant
leg" variety, so loose and baggy that the heels dragged on the ground
behind me and quickly got worn into shreds.
Two of the (many) reasons why I try never to criticize the way teenagers
dress. (-:
--Pat Kight
kig...@peak.org
Martian
> >Subject: Re: Argggg! Is all I can say!
> >From: HomemakerJ homem...@attbi.com
> >Date: 12/29/01 12:21 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <3C2DFCE6...@attbi.com>
> >
> >Luna wrote:
> >
> >> I am wondering how many women that are experiencing a hard
perimenopause
> >have had
> >> bad PMS or hard periods with cramping, flooding etc. in the previous
years.
I remember at about age 33, noticing that sometimes I felt like snapping at
people, or just kind of overwrought, and wondered about it. Then I realized
it coincided with the day before my period started. Then at about age 36,
my husband saw a Washington Post article that stated that researchers
determined PMS peaks for most women at age 35, which was very true for me.
I had occasional flooding, especially as a teen, and I sometimes took Midol
in high school for cramps. Cramps were a constant, and I did all the usual
recommended things to counteract them -- sports, masturbation, etc. At
least these took my mind off the PMS.
I *think* my peri-menopause has been a hard one, but I couldn't prove it!
Right now I need a fog horn just to get through the day!!! It combined with
a broken foot, a broken tooth, a family that should have been abducted by
aliens, and a job from the hot place and culminated in full-blown depression
for a few months (I got treatment immediately when I realized I didn't even
want to get up in the morning or get dressed).
The fog was the most worrisome thing, because I wanted to appear
"professional" at work. People seem to deal with nasty b*tches OK, so that
wasn't a problem. I remember a guy that worked for me coming up to me, and
I looked up and he said, "This can wait." I must've given him the evil
eye!!!
I must say that I've gotten close and personal with many of the symptoms,
but I've learned to relax, and if I can't think of a word, I just ask
whoever is around "what is the word that means such and such?" Then on some
things, I can parry and thrust with the best of them. I am a very fast
thinker in some respects, and the fog hasn't changed that. But I have to
write everything down in my Palm Pilot -- like "buy Kleenex" or I'll forget
it 20 seconds later sometimes.
Peri-menopause has been a journey, for sure.
--Jane
Cathy Friedmann
> But I have to
> write everything down in my Palm Pilot -- like "buy Kleenex" or I'll
forget
> it 20 seconds later sometimes.
20 seconds - that's doing pretty well! ;-) All I have to do is turn in a
different direction, or notice something my peripheral vision picked up, & I
completely forget whatever it was I'd told myself to remember. A few
seconds is all it takes - pffftt! gone.
--
Cathy
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon
>
Louise Bremner
> All I have to do is turn in a different direction, or notice something my
> peripheral vision picked up, & I completely forget whatever it was I'd
> told myself to remember. A few seconds is all it takes - pffftt! gone.
Just a couple of steps across the kitchen to get the... er... whatever
it was I needed.
HomemakerJ
> >Luna wrote:
>
> I recall being aware of PMS when I was in my late 20's. I would get high
> anxiety, depression, go into rages, and I would feel like my mind was in a fog.
> I recall drawing a picture of a smokey cave with a light at the far end of the
> tunnel to explain to my husband what it felt like in my mind.
Wow. Shades of the Meno Cave. Have you read it? You might want to add to it now
that you're in peri-menopause.
> I am 47 now, and have found in the last few years, that I lost my creativity.
I did too, around that age. I used to strip paint off furniture, decoupage,
compose elaborate gardening plans, write songs and stories, embroider, and on and
on. That's why I was so surprised and happy to see the creativity return later on.
> Recently I had two good weeks, and used my house as a creative outlet. I got to
> clean it up and decorated it as if it were a piece of art. The atmosphere is
> warm and quite unusual and interesting.
I live in an Arts & Crafts house. At first I decorated it true to it's time but
soon found that I preferred a mix of Victorian, African and Native American.
> These last 10 days I went back to feeling like crap and so have done nothing. I
> had a very hard time during my last cycle which lasted 52 days.
Frustrating to feel good and then have such a long down time, but these down times
will end.
> I was taking unopposed estrogen and PMS hit with a vengence.
I hope you are inferring that you took the progesterone later in the cycle, right?
Unopposed estrogen is scary unless you've had a hysterectomy.
> I lost every ounce of energy I had and had big time family stress on top of
> feeling deathly sick.
When it rains it pours, doesn't it?
> I called my gyn and asked for some progesterone to induce a period. He prescribed
> Provera. I told the receptionist that I was sensitive to progesterone, and I was
> afraid Provera would have a bad effect on me and if there was anything else that
> the doc could give me to incude the period. She said no, this is what he
> prescribed and that is what she is going to call in. I feel she said that because
> he is so busy, she didn't want to take the time to get back to him and I was too
> out of my mind at the time to insist I discuss this with him. I figured I would
> try it because the last time I tried to induce a period to get some relief I took
> 4% Crinone every other day for 12 days, and my period never came on.
>
> When I took the Provera I was really loosing it mentally. I called the docs
> office and I got someone standing in for him and she told me to continue to
> take the Provera and just sedate myself. Let me tell you, my hair turned gray
> after that. I am serious.
>
> So I got a period from hell from the Provera and that is when I realized that
> it is now time for me to stop with the estrogen - plain and simple. It was not
> helping with the PMS - what it was helping with was sleep and that is about it
> I think. I will see as time passes.
This is such a good example of why I think supplementing peri-menopause with
hormones is such a whacky theory and don't understand why doctors do it. If our
own hormones are waxing and waning all over the place, the only thing adding more
hormones can do is confuse our bodies. As I've stated before, I understand and
sympathize with the idea of finding something to help, but I, like you, have
discovered that toughing it out has the least consequences.
> My cramps are much less severe now, however I get them for a prolonged period
> of time. Like almost always!
Are they really cramps or more a tenderness in your stomach?
> I wonder if I have endometrosis, and I was feeding it with the estrogen. Let me
> tell you, I had a total hysterectomy booked. I was so fed up - but found a
> shrink, recently and he told me to hold off. I cancelled it.
Good idea. And your instincts are coming through about the estrogen. Stay away
from that stuff!
> Yes - that was another reason I was on the estrogen. I don't have that problem
> now and have been off the estrogen for a little over a month.
>
Oops. Snipped too much. Incontinence. I found that my incontinence got worse
when I took hormones. First thing I did was locate every bathroom in town, carry a
porcelain pan and toilet paper in the car and avoid fountains or other sounds of
running water. Before I turned on the water at home to brush teeth, wash dishes,
do laundry, etc. I'd make a trip to the bathroom even when I didn't feel I had to
go. Then, I bit the bullet and drank more liquids which had the effect of getting
my bladder to work more efficiently, even though at first it seemed I spent all my
time running to the bathroom when I'd just come out of it.
> I feel very old.
I promise you. It will pass. During my last long period of zest I was delighted
to find I felt more like the myself of my twenties when all I'd been hoping for was
a glimmer of how I felt in my late thirties.
> >After this phase I began to suspect that I'd be done with peri-menopause
> >soon. I
> >felt this way because I had more energy than I'd had in years, my periods
> >would
> >often skip for six months, and the fog was replaced by creativity and
> >(shock!) real
> >phases of wisdom, peace and self-knowledge.
>
> Wow! I am starting to get a glimps of that. I had some serious insight into my
> self and life. It lasted 2 weeks.
Hey, in the world of peri-menopausal feelings, two weeks is an eternity for feeling
zesty!
> I have never gone as far as 6 months without a period. Longest time was 3
> months. I always wind up trying to induce a period to get some relief.
Stop inducing periods. Surely you can't be feeling like you're getting a phantom
period every single month. I never did. So you don't feel great sometimes. Try
to learn to rejoice in the three month skips. Be sensitive to hotflashes, which
often signal that you won't be getting a period this month. Skipping three months
at a time was my pattern for a few years. Then it went to five and six months and
I felt better when I skipped.
> I am getting hot flashes galore now and long periods of shivering cold. I
> fluctuate and my aerobic exercise is walking up and down the stairs moving the
> dial on the thermostat.
LOL. How about dressing in layers so you can exercise some different muscles by
shedding and redressing? ;-)
> I was doing a bit this summer, but I fadded out and wound up spending a lot of
> time in bed. I do love gardening though.
The catalogs are coming out. You can dream and plan in bed right now for how well
you'll feel this summer.
> I began reading a
> >daily
> >positive thinking booklet and tried to stick to the theme, no matter what.
> >
>
> I am gonna try to do that - as a matter of fact I did recently start to do
> that, but I put that book to the side.
I'd do it first thing in the morning when I woke up grumpy and overwhelmed with the
responsibilities of what I had to do that day. Put a whole different spin on
things for me. When my day would start to fall apart, I'd try to remember what the
theme for the day was. Never could remember, so I'd go back and re-read it and
always find some new portion to latch onto to get me through the rest of the day.
Cool Runnings,
HomemakerJ
Kevin and Sue
HomemakerJ wrote:
>
> Luna wrote:
> > I am getting hot flashes galore now and long periods of shivering cold. I
> > fluctuate and my aerobic exercise is walking up and down the stairs moving the
> > dial on the thermostat.
LOL - that sounds like me!!! Yes, I do dress in layers, but you get
tired of putting layers on and then taking them off again. Fortunaly I
have not had much of this lately.
sue
barbara trumpinski-roberts
> My sister-in-law was saying at Christmas that she doesn't have dogs because
> it would interfere with her job. My husband and I agreed later that if our
> jobs interfered with our dogs, it would be time to get new jobs!!! My dogs
> are precious delights! When I come home in a funk, they dance around me and
> just make me feel like the most wonderful being in the world. I won't give
> that up easily!!! Life is about love, as far as I'm concerned, and dogs are
> love.
dogs and cats...and whatever else you need....
hugs,
kitten
-- barbara trumpinski-roberts (smotu) ACES Library kit...@uiuc.edu
"Neither TANSTAAFL nor PayItForward is about keeping account books...They
are about an attitude and a way of living, about being a mensch.
Gallantly, and with style, ideally."--Dee alt.fan.heinlein
http://kittencon.gundo.com/
Luna
>Message-id: <3C2F8545...@attbi.com>
>
<snip>
>
>Wow. Shades of the Meno Cave. Have you read it? You might want to add to
>it now
>that you're in peri-menopause.
>
I don't remember if I read it. Do you know the URL?
>> I am 47 now, and have found in the last few years, that I lost my
>creativity.
>
>I did too, around that age. I used to strip paint off furniture, decoupage,
>compose elaborate gardening plans, write songs and stories, embroider, and on
>and
>on. That's why I was so surprised and happy to see the creativity return
>later on.
>
If I am not being creative I feel dead. I have a beginners sewing class coming
up in later part of Jan and I bought a camera. Yesterday I started to read the
instruction manuel to learn how to use this camera.
>> Recently I had two good weeks, and used my house as a creative outlet. I
>got to
>> clean it up and decorated it as if it were a piece of art. The atmosphere
>is
>> warm and quite unusual and interesting.
>
>I live in an Arts & Crafts house. At first I decorated it true to it's time
>but
>soon found that I preferred a mix of Victorian, African and Native American.
>
Interesting mix - Victorian, African and Native American. I have hand crafted
items from all over the world. The rug I told you about from Senegal is hand
stitched and made from leather and fur. What I find really interesting is how
much it looks as if it is Native American art work.
>> These last 10 days I went back to feeling like crap and so have done
>nothing. I
>> had a very hard time during my last cycle which lasted 52 days.
>
>Frustrating to feel good and then have such a long down time, but these down
>times
>will end.
>
I can't wait. It is very frustrating for me.
>> I was taking unopposed estrogen and PMS hit with a vengence.
>
>I hope you are inferring that you took the progesterone later in the cycle,
>right?
Right - when I was feeling this perpetual PMS and was getting suicidal, that is
when I took the Provera, but it just made matters worse. What I did need at the
time was the right antidepressant. I was taking Prozac and it was the wrong
drug for me. I was taking 10 mg of Prozac and I took 20 mg for a few days to
see if it would help, but I lost it totally.
I stopped it and switched to Celexa which seems to be working well.
>Unopposed estrogen is scary unless you've had a hysterectomy.
>
I finally realized that when I saw that the Provera brought on an awful period.
It was foul, lasted 2 weeks and looked like no period I have ever had before in
my life.
I did have a sonogram to check the endometrial lining a few months ago and was
told everything was ok. But I saw with this last period that everything was not
OK and that is why I stopped the unopposed estrogen.
I agree.
As I've stated before, I understand
>and
>sympathize with the idea of finding something to help, but I, like you, have
>discovered that toughing it out has the least consequences.
>
I can't totally tough it out. I am taking psychiatric drugs. It is affecting me
psychologically. I think I may have an underlying psychiatric condition which
gets exacerbated when I am in PMS mode. I am working with a shrink on this.
>> My cramps are much less severe now, however I get them for a prolonged
>period
>> of time. Like almost always!
>
>Are they really cramps or more a tenderness in your stomach?
>
It feels like period cramps. That feeling of "oh I have my period, I better go
check".
>> I wonder if I have endometrosis, and I was feeding it with the estrogen.
>Let me
>> tell you, I had a total hysterectomy booked. I was so fed up - but found a
>> shrink, recently and he told me to hold off. I cancelled it.
>
>Good idea. And your instincts are coming through about the estrogen. Stay
>away
>from that stuff!
>
I am going to stay away from it. I have to. I can't handle progesterone in any
way shape or form and I have my uterus so that is the end of HRT for me.
>> Yes - that was another reason I was on the estrogen. I don't have that
>problem
>> now and have been off the estrogen for a little over a month.
>>
>
>Oops. Snipped too much. Incontinence. I found that my incontinence got
>worse
>when I took hormones. First thing I did was locate every bathroom in town,
>carry a
>porcelain pan and toilet paper in the car and avoid fountains or other sounds
>of
>running water. Before I turned on the water at home to brush teeth, wash
>dishes,
>do laundry, etc. I'd make a trip to the bathroom even when I didn't feel I
>had to
>go. Then, I bit the bullet and drank more liquids which had the effect of
>getting
>my bladder to work more efficiently, even though at first it seemed I spent
>all my
>time running to the bathroom when I'd just come out of it.
>
Incontinence is very different for me. I get little drips, like drips from an
eye dropper.
<snip>
>
>> I have never gone as far as 6 months without a period. Longest time was 3
>> months. I always wind up trying to induce a period to get some relief.
>
>Stop inducing periods. Surely you can't be feeling like you're getting a
>phantom
>period every single month.
Yes I do. I get dysfunctional till a period comes on. That is the problem.
I never did. So you don't feel great sometimes.
>Try
>to learn to rejoice in the three month skips. Be sensitive to hotflashes,
>which
>often signal that you won't be getting a period this month.
Again here it is different for me. I was getting flashes galore and guess what?
I GOT MY PERIOD TODAY!!!!!!
Skipping three
>months
>at a time was my pattern for a few years. Then it went to five and six
>months and
>I felt better when I skipped.
>
>> I am getting hot flashes galore now and long periods of shivering cold. I
>> fluctuate and my aerobic exercise is walking up and down the stairs moving
>the
>> dial on the thermostat.
>
>LOL. How about dressing in layers so you can exercise some different muscles
>by
>shedding and redressing? ;-)
>
Yeah - good idea - upper body exercise.
Happy New Year,
Luna
Frankenmel
>Date: 1/1/02 7:53 AM Pacific Standard Time
>If I am not being creative I feel dead.
Ditto.
Luna
>Date: 1/1/02 11:26 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <Xns91896AB0F6F4C...@24.28.95.190>
>
>frank...@aol.comnospam (Frankenmel) wrote in
>news:20020101110718...@mb-fc.aol.com:
>
>>>From: lunabe...@aol.comladeda (Luna)
>>>Date: 1/1/02 7:53 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>
>>>If I am not being creative I feel dead.
>>
>> Ditto.
>
>things ebb and flow.
>
>Karen
>
>
>
>
>
>
Good point.
Luna
Martian
> I think I may have an underlying psychiatric condition which
> gets exacerbated when I am in PMS mode. I am working with a shrink on
this.
I think PMS always exacerbates any stressful things happening in life
anyway -- even without any underlying psychiatric conditions!
> Incontinence is very different for me. I get little drips, like drips from
an
> eye dropper.
Yes, if I can't make it to a bathroom when I'm just before either a period
or a phantom period, that's what happens to me. I live in pantyliners for a
few days each month.
> Yes I do. I get dysfunctional till a period comes on. That is the problem.
I have fairly severe moodswings for a day or 2 sometimes, and *always* feel
it a little, even with only phantom periods for months. It's like my body
is still aware of the cycle even though it's not a full-blown period.
People can tell, because I'm more snappy. When the period comes, I
generally feel almost giddy for a few hours.
> >Try
> >to learn to rejoice in the three month skips. Be sensitive to
hotflashes,
> >which
> >often signal that you won't be getting a period this month.
>
> Again here it is different for me. I was getting flashes galore and guess
what?
> I GOT MY PERIOD TODAY!!!!!!
Hotflashes are generally a marker that the period is coming, unless I drink
a huge hot drink or walk with hot clothing on.
> >> I am getting hot flashes galore now and long periods of shivering cold.
I don't get long periods of cold, but about 10-15 minutes at a time I do --
alternating with hotflashes that seem to come on when I try to bulk up due
to the cold!!! Layering has taken on new meaning and I rush to add and
remove them. HomemakerJ is right -- it's almost aerobic exercise just
dealing with the hot and cold flashing!!!
> Happy New Year,
> Luna
Many happy returns, Luna! We'll prevail!!!
--Jane
Frankenmel
>Date: 1/1/02 8:26 AM Pacific Standard Time
>frank...@aol.comnospam (Frankenmel) wrote in
>news:20020101110718...@mb-fc.aol.com:
>
>>>From: lunabe...@aol.comladeda (Luna)
>>>Date: 1/1/02 7:53 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>
>>>If I am not being creative I feel dead.
>>
>> Ditto.
>
>Whoa! You don't think this is an unrealistic expectation? Lots of
>things ebb and flow.
>
>Karen
>
In my case,it was a bit of an exaggeration. What I meant was,I feel most alive
when I've discovered a new project.
Martian
We're a literal group here -- precision counts!!!
--Jane
Luna
>Date: 1/1/02 01:23 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <Xns91897E87FFD64...@24.28.95.190>
>
>frank...@aol.comnospam (Frankenmel) wrote in
>news:20020101131646...@mb-mq.aol.com:
>>>From: Karen Kay ka...@wordwrite.com
>>>Date: 1/1/02 8:26 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>
>>>frank...@aol.comnospam (Frankenmel) wrote in
>>>news:20020101110718...@mb-fc.aol.com:
>>>
>>>>>From: lunabe...@aol.comladeda (Luna)
>>>>>Date: 1/1/02 7:53 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>>>
>>>>>If I am not being creative I feel dead.
>>>>
>>>> Ditto.
>>>
>>>Whoa! You don't think this is an unrealistic expectation? Lots of
>>>things ebb and flow.
>>>
>>>Karen
>>>
>>
>> In my case,it was a bit of an exaggeration. What I meant was,I
>> feel most alive when I've discovered a new project.
>
>
>I had this momentary vision of menowomen everywhere thinking "Ohmigod,
>I'm not creative, I may as well kill myself!" and then some awful
>scene from "Six Feet Under".
>
>Karen
>
>
>
>
>
>
Ok Ok - What I meant to say is that my soul shines when I am creative.
LOL - gotta watch my words.
Luna
Luna
>Date: 1/1/02 01:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <S0nY7.42929$fo.12...@news1.rdc1.md.home.com>
>
>
>> Happy New Year,
>> Luna
>
>Many happy returns, Luna! We'll prevail!!!
>
>--Jane
>
Yes we shall!!!!
Luna
Pat Kight
> I had this momentary vision of menowomen everywhere thinking "Ohmigod,
> I'm not creative, I may as well kill myself!" and then some awful
> scene from "Six Feet Under".
*snrch*
Me, I take my creativity where I can find it. This morning I'm heading
over to the theater to finish painting the set for "Auntie Mame" - all
by myself, with any luck.
But some days I get my creative fix by coming up with new and amusing
ways to bitch about the journey to menopause and Life in General. (-;
--Pat Kight
kig...@peak.org
Pat Kight
>
> >Subject: Re: Argggg! Is all I can say!
> >From: HomemakerJ homem...@attbi.com
> >Date: 12/30/01 04:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <3C2F8545...@attbi.com>
> >
> <snip>
> >
> >Wow. Shades of the Meno Cave. Have you read it? You might want to add to
> >it now
> >that you're in peri-menopause.
> >
>
> I don't remember if I read it. Do you know the URL?
It can be found, along with many other musings about the change, at
tishy's fine Menopause and Beyond site:
http://www.oxford.net/~tishy/menocave.html
Although the metaphor doesn't entirely "work" for me, I've found it a
good jumping-off place for my own musing on the Meaning Of It All...
--Pat Kight
kig...@peak.org
Pat Kight
Just goes to show how very idividual these signs and portents are. I
flashed like crazy during the months this summer and fall when I didn't
bleed. The flashing ended with the coming of cold weather ... followed
shortly by spotting and then the Big Gusher.
Just lately, I've been climbing into bed at night shivering (the furnace
is set to dial down to 60 degrees about a half hour before my usual bed
time). But as soon as the waterbed and cats warm me up, I tend to get
one whopping facial hot flash that makes me get up and swap out my cozy
flannel nightgown for a T-shirt.
--Pat Kight
kig...@peak.org
Cathy Friedmann
Pat Kight <kig...@peak.org> wrote in message
news:3C320DC0...@peak.org...
The night temp on my thermostat is set at 58º - although upstairs it's a bit
warmer - low 60ºs. Anyway, I haven't been able to tolerate anything more
than shorty PJs for years now. If it's *really* cold out - like 0º (F), w/
the wind howling, etc., then I can wear leggings w/ a tee to bed - but no
flannel, other than the sheets. *Way* too warm!
Cathy
--
Frankenmel
>Date: 1/1/02 10:23 AM Pacific Standard Time
>I had this momentary vision of menowomen everywhere thinking "Ohmigod,
>I'm not creative, I may as well kill myself!" and then some awful
>scene from "Six Feet Under".
ROFL!!!!
Frankenmel
>Date: 1/1/02 11:41 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Me, I've started cooking again. I'm so thrilled about this, I can't
>tell you.
I envy you this. I just can't work up enthusiasm for it.
[snip]
>Yesterday I made excellent black-eyed pea soup and blueberry
>cornbread.
I'll be right over ;-D
>
>I'm really proud of this soup. I think it has possibly more different
>kinds of vegetables than anything else I've made in the past year and
>a half.:) I had intended to buy celery, but forgot, and I suspect
>maybe that was a good thing. Bok choy is excellent in soup, however.
I love bok choy! It's so versatile.
>Maybe today I'll do the pecan-stuffed pork chops...
Pecan-stuffed anything sounds great. A friend of mine bought some fig
butter...it sounds heavenly.
Frankenmel
>Date: 1/1/02 11:34 AM Pacific Standard Time
>The night temp on my thermostat is set at 58ş - although upstairs it's a bit
>warmer - low 60şs. Anyway, I haven't been able to tolerate anything more
>than shorty PJs for years now. If it's *really* cold out - like 0ş (F), w/
>the wind howling, etc., then I can wear leggings w/ a tee to bed - but no
>flannel, other than the sheets. *Way* too warm!
Whereas I sleep with two comforters (one flannel one),flannel sheets,a thermal
blanket,another blanket,flannel nightie and usually 3 of our 4 cats. Very,very
cozy. Course I'm past hot flashes too.
I look forward to going to bed at night because of the coziness. The woodstove
is cozy too,but going to bed is like snuggling down into a sock.
Cathy Friedmann
bit
> >warmer - low 60ºs. Anyway, I haven't been able to tolerate anything more
> >than shorty PJs for years now. If it's *really* cold out - like 0º (F),
w/
> >the wind howling, etc., then I can wear leggings w/ a tee to bed - but no
> >flannel, other than the sheets. *Way* too warm!
>
> Whereas I sleep with two comforters (one flannel one),flannel sheets,a
thermal
> blanket,another blanket,flannel nightie and usually 3 of our 4 cats.
Very,very
> cozy. Course I'm past hot flashes too.
>
> I look forward to going to bed at night because of the coziness. The
woodstove
> is cozy too,but going to bed is like snuggling down into a sock.
Holy makerel! Just reading that makes me roast. ;-)
You don't find that sleeping in a flannel nightgown or PJs with flannel
sheets is like velcro? (In the days when I could tolerate flannel
sleepwear, I did, & so used either flannel sheets *or* flannel PJs, but not
both.)
Frankenmel
>Date: 1/1/02 12:24 PM Pacific Standard Time
asks me:>You don't find that sleeping in a flannel nightgown or PJs with
flannel
>sheets is like velcro?
Not at all.
> (In the days when I could tolerate flannel
>sleepwear, I did, & so used either flannel sheets *or* flannel PJs, but not
>both.)
YMOV.
Luna
>Date: 1/1/02 02:24 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3C320CE8...@peak.org>
>
>Karen Kay wrote:
>
>> I had this momentary vision of menowomen everywhere thinking "Ohmigod,
>> I'm not creative, I may as well kill myself!" and then some awful
>> scene from "Six Feet Under".
>
>*snrch*
>
>Me, I take my creativity where I can find it. This morning I'm heading
>over to the theater to finish painting the set for "Auntie Mame" - all
>by myself, with any luck.
>
Community theater?
>But some days I get my creative fix by coming up with new and amusing
>ways to bitch about the journey to menopause and Life in General. (-;
>
I like this. Never thought bitching was a creative process. It makes me realize
I haven't lost my creativity at all!
Luna
>--Pat Kight
>kig...@peak.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jette Goldie
Frankenmel <frank...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20020101151733...@mb-cg.aol.com...
bit
> >warmer - low 60ºs. Anyway, I haven't been able to tolerate anything more
> >than shorty PJs for years now. If it's *really* cold out - like 0º (F),
w/
> >the wind howling, etc., then I can wear leggings w/ a tee to bed - but no
> >flannel, other than the sheets. *Way* too warm!
>
> Whereas I sleep with two comforters (one flannel one),flannel sheets,a
thermal
> blanket,another blanket,flannel nightie and usually 3 of our 4 cats.
Very,very
> cozy. Course I'm past hot flashes too.
Heating goes off here about 1/2 hour before bedtime.
Old stone building, good duvet, don't need heating
overnight. Jim-jams only worn on coldest of nights
or when visiting friends - or during summer with
no duvet.
--
Jette
"Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" - Jim Byrnes
je...@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html
FurPaw
Pat Kight wrote:
>
> Cathy Friedmann wrote:
>
> > Oh, yes - I remember all too well "taking in" my jeans along the inside
> > seams as a teen; god forbid you could pinch any of the fabric - they were
> > immediately deemed too loose! <g>
> Oh, god, yes - I can remember wearing jeans so tight I had to lie down
> on the bed to worm into them.
>
> And then, practically the very next year, bell-bottoms of the "elephant
> leg" variety, so loose and baggy that the heels dragged on the ground
> behind me and quickly got worn into shreds.
>
> Two of the (many) reasons why I try never to criticize the way teenagers
> dress. (-:
Indeed! We went to my SIL's wedding on Saturday, and in
attendance were two boys and girls who evidently had refused to
dress for the wedding. One of the boys was wearing pants that
looked very much like elephant bells, except he wore them very
low. One of the girls - very thin - was wearing painted-on
jeans.
The crowd was mostly 40- and 50-somethings... I'll bet they have
photos in their albums that don't look much different.
FurPaw
FurPaw
I love sleeping in a very cool room, snuggled under lots of
covers. Once in a while, I wake up damp, usually after a dream.
Mostly not, though, unless I've had wine in the evening.
Hubster likes it even cooler than I do, and we used to disagree
about the number and type of blankets. Then I started putting an
afghan or two on my side of the bed, which allows him his
minimalist blanket without a big wad of covers in the middle.
FurPaw
Cathy Friedmann
news:3C322545...@home.com...
> Indeed! We went to my SIL's wedding on Saturday, and in
> attendance were two boys and girls who evidently had refused to
> dress for the wedding. One of the boys was wearing pants that
> looked very much like elephant bells, except he wore them very
> low. One of the girls - very thin - was wearing painted-on
> jeans.
>
> The crowd was mostly 40- and 50-somethings... I'll bet they have
> photos in their albums that don't look much different.
>
> FurPaw
For a minute there, I thought you meant her *skin* was painted, to resemble
jeans!!! <g>
My nephew, who's 10, considers a tee w/out a logo, to be "dressed up". My
niece (14) used to be the same way, but in the last year or so, has gone to
the opposite extreme. Insisted upon wearing a halter-style long
dressy-dress to a christening & also to church on Christmas. Her parents
both pronounced it more appropriate for a prom, & *not* for church attire;
and of course got the huge rolling of eyes & insistence it was fine.
Instead of arguing from now till she's 17, they made her wear a cover-up top
over it.
Martian
news:Xns91898BB423AAC...@24.28.95.190...> news:3C320CE8...@peak.org:
> > But some days I get my creative fix by coming up with new and
> > amusing ways to bitch about the journey to menopause and Life in
> > General. (-;
>
>
> Me, I've started cooking again. I'm so thrilled about this, I can't
> was Just Too Small. Moving to my house didn't change my non-cooking
> style much, having someone to cook for didn't matter, but I recently
> acquired a kitchen table that I actually sit at, and that seems to
> have been The Missing Ingredient.
>
> Yesterday I made excellent black-eyed pea soup and blueberry
> oh well!
>
> I'm really proud of this soup. I think it has possibly more different
> kinds of vegetables than anything else I've made in the past year and
> a half.:) I had intended to buy celery, but forgot, and I suspect
> maybe that was a good thing. Bok choy is excellent in soup, however.
>
I had made some Dutch chocolate--espression scones my husband loves last
night and the dog got the last few we brought back from the party, so
husband was sniveling. I made him some oatmeal-chocolate chip-pecan
cookies, and now he's very content!
I also made a breakfast casserole -- about 3 big slices of some homemade
bread ripped into small pieces, some low fat Jimmy Dean sausage and onion
cooked together on top, some lowfat Cabot sharp Vermont white cheddar grated
over that, some spices, and then beaten eggs over and cooked for about 25
minutes (we like well-done eggs). He loved it!
Our dinner with friends is cancelled due to their nasty colds that I don't
care to catch, so I'm just going to roast some chicken pieces with dressing
for dinner and serve a couple of veggies with it.
I like to cook, and today it's just been comfort food to go along with the
very cold weather. A fire in the fireplace and a movie and my day will be
complete!!!
--Jane
Frankenmel
>Date: 1/1/02 2:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
>
>I also made a breakfast casserole -- about 3 big slices of some homemade
>bread ripped into small pieces, some low fat Jimmy Dean sausage and onion
>cooked together on top, some lowfat Cabot sharp Vermont white cheddar grated
>over that, some spices, and then beaten eggs over and cooked for about 25
>minutes (we like well-done eggs). He loved it!
Nummy!
FurPaw
Cathy Friedmann wrote:
>
> FurPaw <furpa...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:3C322545...@home.com...
> > Indeed! We went to my SIL's wedding on Saturday, and in
> > attendance were two boys and girls who evidently had refused to
> > dress for the wedding. One of the boys was wearing pants that
> > looked very much like elephant bells, except he wore them very
> > low. One of the girls - very thin - was wearing painted-on
> > jeans.
> >
> > The crowd was mostly 40- and 50-somethings... I'll bet they have
> > photos in their albums that don't look much different.
> For a minute there, I thought you meant her *skin* was painted, to resemble
> jeans!!! <g>
I *think* they were cloth, although I didn't inspect them that
closely...
> My nephew, who's 10, considers a tee w/out a logo, to be "dressed up".
Elephant bells was wearing a Korn T-shirt.
These *boys and girls* were probably in late high school.
Showing my age, I guess...
FurPaw
Laura Blanchard
[snip mouthwatering stuff]
>
>I like to cook, and today it's just been comfort food to go along with the
>very cold weather.
Me too on the comfort food. We have houseguests who were out amusing themselves
visiting other friends in the area last evening, so I made a huge pot of stew
(5 lb of stew beef plus vegetables) so that we can heat and eat as needed. It's
stew in the grand Patandjoanna tradition -- the base is a bottle of decent
cabernet.
Regards,
Laura Blanchard
lblan...@aol.com
http://menopause.tripod.com (Land o'Links)
http://members.aol.com/lblanch000/
Pat Kight
>
> Jane says:
>
> [snip mouthwatering stuff]
>
> >
> >I like to cook, and today it's just been comfort food to go along with the
> >very cold weather.
>
> Me too on the comfort food. We have houseguests who were out amusing themselves
> visiting other friends in the area last evening, so I made a huge pot of stew
> (5 lb of stew beef plus vegetables) so that we can heat and eat as needed. It's
> stew in the grand Patandjoanna tradition -- the base is a bottle of decent
> cabernet.
Toni and I collaborated on a huge pot of navy bean soup - we started
with the ubiquitous
U.S. Senate recipe, and improvised a little by adding dried red pepper
flakes and - Toni's "secret ingredient" for bean soups - a touch of
curry powder. Half of it went straight to the freezer, and we're dining
our way through the other half. Mmmmm...
--Pat Kight
kig...@peak.org
HomemakerJ
> HJ>Wow. Shades of the Meno Cave. Have you read it? You might want to add to
> >it now
> >that you're in peri-menopause.
>
>
> L: I don't remember if I read it. Do you know the URL?
http://www.oxford.net/~tishy/menocave.html
> L:>> I was taking unopposed estrogen and PMS hit with a vengence.
> >
> HJ:>I hope you are inferring that you took the progesterone later in the cycle,
> >right?
>
> L:Right - when I was feeling this perpetual PMS and was getting suicidal, that is
>
> when I took the Provera, but it just made matters worse.
HJ:When you feel suicidal, is it a kind of I'm so sick of being sick and I'm a
burden so what's the use feeling?
> L:What I did need at the time was the right antidepressant. I was taking Prozac
> and it was the wrong drug for me. I was taking 10 mg of Prozac and I took 20 mg
> for a few days to see if it would help, but I lost it totally.
HJ: It sounds like you are doing alot of drug tinkering on your own. Mightn't it
just be better to go to bed for a day and do nothing so you can sort things out
when you feel more rested? That's always been my first resort.
> L:I finally realized that when I saw that the Provera brought on an awful period.
>
> It was foul, lasted 2 weeks and looked like no period I have ever had before in
> my life.
Are you aware that changes in periods, including textures, quantity and length of
bleed are quite normal during peri-menopause?
> I did have a sonogram to check the endometrial lining a few months ago and was
> told everything was ok. But I saw with this last period that everything was not
> OK and that is why I stopped the unopposed estrogen.
Yeah, but, what if you have a sonogram and everything is *not* okay? Won't that be
a little too late? A doctor once posted on here that HRT is not candy.
> I can't totally tough it out. I am taking psychiatric drugs. It is affecting me
> psychologically.
It has affected me psychologically at times, too, although I haven't taken any
psychiatric drugs for it. I'm not judging you, just trying to let you know that it
will get better.
> I think I may have an underlying psychiatric condition which
> gets exacerbated when I am in PMS mode. I am working with a shrink on this.
This is good. A re-sorting of priorties and getting in touch with our authentic
selves again is part of the process of the change. It can be very empowering.
> L:It feels like period cramps. That feeling of "oh I have my period, I better go
> check".
With all you have been saying it sounds like you are the middle, not in terms of
length of peri-menopause, necessarily, but symptom-wise, where it will soon ease up
and you will be able to get through the rest of it much more comfortably. A time I
think of as the "exacerbation of symptoms".
> L:I am going to stay away from it. I have to. I can't handle progesterone in any
> way shape or form and I have my uterus so that is the end of HRT for me.
When I would have times when I felt like I had to *do* something or get something
to help, all I'd have to do is review the last visit to the doctor and how little
it had helped to keep me from wasting more money on that route.
> HJ:Incontinence. I found that my incontinence got
> >worse
> >when I took hormones. First thing I did was locate every bathroom in town,
> >carry a
> >porcelain pan and toilet paper in the car and avoid fountains or other sounds
> >of
> >running water. Before I turned on the water at home to brush teeth, wash
> >dishes,
> >do laundry, etc. I'd make a trip to the bathroom even when I didn't feel I
> >had to
> >go. Then, I bit the bullet and drank more liquids which had the effect of
> >getting
> >my bladder to work more efficiently, even though at first it seemed I spent
> >all my
> >time running to the bathroom when I'd just come out of it.
>
> L:Incontinence is very different for me. I get little drips, like drips from an
> eye dropper.
I hardly ever got that kind unless I had a cold. Either kind, I think, is
associated with vaginal dryness, however.
> HJ:>Stop inducing periods. Surely you can't be feeling like you're getting a
> >phantom
> >period every single month.
>
> Yes I do. I get dysfunctional till a period comes on. That is the problem.
What is it that you have to do when you are dysfunctional? Go to work? Clean the
house? Can you think of ways to work around it? Without taking water pills can
you work on not retaining so much water which may be causing pressure to your brain
as well as your uterus? Like cutting out salt? Can you initiate little pampering
routines that you can resort to when you feel dysfunctional?
> HJ:>Try
> >to learn to rejoice in the three month skips. Be sensitive to hotflashes,
> >which
> >often signal that you won't be getting a period this month.
>
> Again here it is different for me. I was getting flashes galore and guess what?
> I GOT MY PERIOD TODAY!!!!!!
Well, hey! That should give you some relief! Congratulations. I know that our
journeys vary, but all I can do is offer you information about how mine went.
Hopefully others will also contribute and perhaps someone else's will be more
similar to what you are experiencing.
Happy new year to you, too.
Cool Runnings,
HomemakerJ
Pat Kight
> Pat Kight <kig...@peak.org> wrote in
>
>>Toni and I collaborated on a huge pot of navy bean soup - we
>>started with the ubiquitous
>>U.S. Senate recipe, and improvised a little by adding dried red
>>pepper flakes and - Toni's "secret ingredient" for bean soups - a
>>touch of curry powder. Half of it went straight to the freezer,
>>and we're dining our way through the other half. Mmmmm...
>>
>
> US Senate recipe?
Senate Navy Bean Soup - it's been a daily menu item in the Senate
cafeteria since the early 20th century (I think I first saw a recipe for
it in one of my mom's women's magazines).
It's really just a basic Navy bean soup with ham.
See
http://www.soupsong.com/rsenate.html
(Thickening it with mashed potatoes produces a wonderfully thick, hearty
soup that's pretty low in fat, especially if you use lean ham. We used
smoked ham shanks, and only one onion instead of the recommended three.)
--Pat Kight
kig...@peak.org
Martian
patandjoanna tradition, and which brands do you consider decent?
--Jane
"Laura Blanchard" <lblan...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020102081156...@mb-fo.aol.com...
Luna
>Date: 1/2/02 11:44 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3C327BE1...@attbi.com>
>
>Luna and HomemakerJ are having a conversation for which I snipped the
>attributes:
>
HomemakerJ - thanks for putting this into order.
>> HJ>Wow. Shades of the Meno Cave. Have you read it? You might want to add
>to
>> >it now
>> >that you're in peri-menopause.
>>
>>
>> L: I don't remember if I read it. Do you know the URL?
>
>http://www.oxford.net/~tishy/menocave.html
>
I bookmarked it. I'll read it sometime in the future.
>> L:>> I was taking unopposed estrogen and PMS hit with a vengence.
>> >
>> HJ:>I hope you are inferring that you took the progesterone later in the
>cycle,
>> >right?
>>
>> L:Right - when I was feeling this perpetual PMS and was getting suicidal,
>that is
>>
>> when I took the Provera, but it just made matters worse.
>
>HJ:When you feel suicidal, is it a kind of I'm so sick of being sick and I'm
>a
>burden so what's the use feeling?
>
No. It is a very deep, dark depression caused by my irrational thinking and
behavior.
>> L:What I did need at the time was the right antidepressant. I was taking
>Prozac
>> and it was the wrong drug for me. I was taking 10 mg of Prozac and I took
>20 mg
>> for a few days to see if it would help, but I lost it totally.
>
>HJ: It sounds like you are doing alot of drug tinkering on your own.
>Mightn't it
>just be better to go to bed for a day and do nothing so you can sort things
>out
>when you feel more rested? That's always been my first resort.
>
That has been YOUR resort but you just know ME from the little bit I posted
here. I have spent many a day in bed doing nothing. I am not doing the
tinkering on my own. 20 mg. Prozac is supposed to be used for PMDD. It just so
happens that it was not right for me. Also - the unopposed estrogen was OKed by
two docs who know my problem.
>> L:I finally realized that when I saw that the Provera brought on an awful
>period.
>>
>> It was foul, lasted 2 weeks and looked like no period I have ever had
>before in
>> my life.
>
>Are you aware that changes in periods, including textures, quantity and
>length of
>bleed are quite normal during peri-menopause?
>
Yes, I am aware of that. However I just felt that this had something to do with
the HRT.
>> I did have a sonogram to check the endometrial lining a few months ago and
>was
>> told everything was ok. But I saw with this last period that everything was
>not
>> OK and that is why I stopped the unopposed estrogen.
>
>Yeah, but, what if you have a sonogram and everything is *not* okay? Won't
>that be
>a little too late? A doctor once posted on here that HRT is not candy.
>
HRT is not candy, E and P are powerful drugs. However, if you get tested
regularly, when the endometrial lining starts to thicken, then you need to take
some sort of progestin to shed it. If you get a period, the endometrial lining
is shed, and therefore it does not thicken. At least that is what I have been
told.
>> I can't totally tough it out. I am taking psychiatric drugs. It is
>affecting me
>> psychologically.
>
>It has affected me psychologically at times, too, although I haven't taken
>any
>psychiatric drugs for it. I'm not judging you, just trying to let you know
>that it
>will get better.
>
>> I think I may have an underlying psychiatric condition which
>> gets exacerbated when I am in PMS mode. I am working with a shrink on this.
>
>This is good. A re-sorting of priorties and getting in touch with our
>authentic
>selves again is part of the process of the change. It can be very
>empowering.
>
I spoke with my shrink today about my suspicions of an "underlying psychiatric
problem". He said it is very hard to tell now, as my hormones are still
fluctuating. He said after I am menopausal and I stop getting the fluctuations,
we will be better able to tell if there is an underlying problem.
I am also having a reaction from 9/11 which I discussed with him today, and I
thought it was some sort of PTS, but he said what I was experiencing is a
normal reaction. If there is any one else who got freaked out from 9/11 or if
any of you know of a group where people discuss their feelings - could you let
me know? I would appreciate it.
>> L:It feels like period cramps. That feeling of "oh I have my period, I
>better go
>> check".
>
>With all you have been saying it sounds like you are the middle, not in terms
>of
>length of peri-menopause, necessarily, but symptom-wise, where it will soon
>ease up
>and you will be able to get through the rest of it much more comfortably. A
>time I
>think of as the "exacerbation of symptoms".
>
I also feel like it is going to ease up soon. I feel like I reached a peak.
>> L:I am going to stay away from it. I have to. I can't handle progesterone
>in any
>> way shape or form and I have my uterus so that is the end of HRT for me.
>
>When I would have times when I felt like I had to *do* something or get
>something
>to help, all I'd have to do is review the last visit to the doctor and how
>little
>it had helped to keep me from wasting more money on that route.
>
All I have to do is think about what I went through the cycle before this one
and that is enough to keep me from wasting more money on HRT.
>> HJ:Incontinence. I found that my incontinence got
>> >worse
>> >when I took hormones.
Mine got better.
First thing I did was locate every bathroom in
>town,
>> >carry a
>> >porcelain pan and toilet paper in the car and avoid fountains or other
>sounds
>> >of
>> >running water. Before I turned on the water at home to brush teeth, wash
>> >dishes,
>> >do laundry, etc. I'd make a trip to the bathroom even when I didn't feel I
>> >had to
>> >go. Then, I bit the bullet and drank more liquids which had the effect of
>> >getting
>> >my bladder to work more efficiently, even though at first it seemed I
>spent
>> >all my
>> >time running to the bathroom when I'd just come out of it.
>>
>> L:Incontinence is very different for me. I get little drips, like drips
>from an
>> eye dropper.
>
>I hardly ever got that kind unless I had a cold. Either kind, I think, is
>associated with vaginal dryness, however.
>
I don't have vaginal dryness YET.
>> HJ:>Stop inducing periods. Surely you can't be feeling like you're getting
>a
>> >phantom
>> >period every single month.
>>
>> Yes I do. I get dysfunctional till a period comes on. That is the problem.
>
>What is it that you have to do when you are dysfunctional?
I think getting out of bed and taking a shower would be desirable!
Go to work?
>Clean the
>house? Can you think of ways to work around it? Without taking water pills
>can
>you work on not retaining so much water which may be causing pressure to your
>brain
>as well as your uterus? Like cutting out salt? Can you initiate little
>pampering
>routines that you can resort to when you feel dysfunctional?
>
Water retention is not a problem for me these days. It used to be when I got
PMS when I was younger. Pamper myself? Ha - I am the queen of pamper. I have to
start to push myself to at least shower and get dressed.
Please don't think I am being contrary. I am answering honestly, and I guess by
doing so, you and others could get to know me better.
>> HJ:>Try
>> >to learn to rejoice in the three month skips. Be sensitive to hotflashes,
>> >which
>> >often signal that you won't be getting a period this month.
>>
>> Again here it is different for me. I was getting flashes galore and guess
>what?
>> I GOT MY PERIOD TODAY!!!!!!
>
>Well, hey! That should give you some relief! Congratulations.
Thanks - I do feel better.
I know that
>our
>journeys vary, but all I can do is offer you information about how mine went.
Thank you for all the time you are taking with me. It is much appreciated.
>Hopefully others will also contribute and perhaps someone else's will be more
>similar to what you are experiencing.
>
That would be interesting.
>Happy new year to you, too.
>
I used to lurk here years ago. I was just wondering what ever happened to Joan
Livingston????? :-) I think it is incredible that I remembered her name. Who
could forget? LOL
Luna
>Cool Runnings,
>HomemakerJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
MPitc2000
Where is she?
Also, I must admit NOW, and only NOW
That.... What I may have atttributed( they spilled mtt dew in my keyboard on
New years btw and now my t is sttticking.....ughhh) to thyroid disease.
specifically Graves) was probably a combination of peri meno and thyroid!!!
My poor endo went nuts with me although losing my vision for two years didnt
help me cope well AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Luna, I know I am the queen of saying "get your thyroid checked!!!" but many of
the symptoms can be the same and it is a proven medical fact that at a time of
stress
(or "whore-moan-al" fluctuation in a womans life) that a thyroid problem can
crop up to confuse us all!!!!!!! Many of the symptoms of hyper and especially
hypo thyroidism such as sluggishness, cold, depression, mental confusion,
weight gain, (but not in all cases) heavy periods..
can mimic peri. Hyper would be more like anxiety and yet faigue, rapid heart
rate, I woke up sweating to death at night with my heart racing so loud in my
ear i couldnt sleep!), racing thoughts, light or non existent periods, etc.
I also took prozac for pms and it sent me to the moon... I would jump out of
bed with severe anxiety in the morning. It took me months to get the drug out
of my system too :(
I am now thyroidally normal...but sometimes still feel the same way that i did
on occasion and my guess, stricktly non medical of course would be that, A
woman may feel the same way no matter what hormones are off in her body you may
experience the same symptoms???
Who knows, but I sure hope you feel better and yes, I know what you mean about
inducing a period, i called my friend and told her to get out a coat hanger if
I was going to continue to feel like this forever!!!! Geeez that is a sick
thought isn't it???? Well, I count on all these wise women here, who say there
is a light at the end of the tunnel! Plus, I see these OLD (ha ha) Grandma
types running after their two and three year old grandkids with more energy
than I GOT...SOOOOOO...
I think they know what they're talking about (tee hee!!)
Love ya all
mary p
Cathy Friedmann
news:20020102161222...@mb-fi.aol.com...
> I used to lurk here years ago. I was just wondering what ever happened to
Joan
> Livingston????? :-) I think it is incredible that I remembered her name.
Who
> could forget? LOL
>
> Luna
Oh, p-l-ease! Shhhhhhhh... <g>
HomemakerJ
Luna wrote:
> >>> HJ Wow. Shades of the Meno Cave. Have you read it? You might want to
> >>>add to it now that you're in peri-menopause.
> >>>
> >> L: I don't remember if I read it. Do you know the URL?
> >
> >http://www.oxford.net/~tishy/menocave.html
>
> I bookmarked it. I'll read it sometime in the future.
And, when you do, feel free to contribute to it, if you'd like.
> >> L:Right - when I was feeling this perpetual PMS and was getting suicidal,
> >>that is when I took the Provera, but it just made matters worse.
>
> >HJ:When you feel suicidal, is it a kind of I'm so sick of being sick and I'm
> >a burden so what's the use feeling?
>
> No. It is a very deep, dark depression caused by my irrational thinking and
> behavior.
Well, it's good that you are seeking help to deal with this.
> >HJ: It sounds like you are doing alot of drug tinkering on your own.
> >Mightn't it just be better to go to bed for a day and do nothing so you can sort
> >things out when you feel more rested? That's always been my first resort.
>
> That has been YOUR resort but you just know ME from the little bit I posted
> here.
Of course.
> I have spent many a day in bed doing nothing.
I didn't mean exactly staying in bed and doing nothing. I was thinking that maybe
more sleep might help you to think more clearly.
> I am not doing the tinkering on my own. 20 mg. Prozac is supposed to be used for
> PMDD. It just so happens that it was not right for me. Also - the unopposed
> estrogen was OKed by two docs who know my problem.
I just wanted to get this clear as other women may read this dialogue and assume
that they can try the same thing without the input of their physician.
> >> It was foul, lasted 2 weeks and looked like no period I have ever had
> >>before in my life.
>
> >Are you aware that changes in periods, including textures, quantity and
> >length of bleed are quite normal during peri-menopause?
>
> Yes, I am aware of that. However I just felt that this had something to do with
> the HRT.
It may have.
> I spoke with my shrink today about my suspicions of an "underlying psychiatric
> problem". He said it is very hard to tell now, as my hormones are still
> fluctuating. He said after I am menopausal and I stop getting the fluctuations,
> we will be better able to tell if there is an underlying problem.
Well, this may be good news, then. At any rate, it sounds like you are getting
good help from him.
> I am also having a reaction from 9/11 which I discussed with him today, and I
> thought it was some sort of PTS, but he said what I was experiencing is a
> normal reaction.
I live in the midwest and did not know anyone personally who was affected by the
event. I watched it, felt sad, and then turned the tv off. I tend to do that
anyway with tv when there's a big scandal, a trial, a war, anything where the media
just takes over the regular programming. It's how I cope. I have thought more
than once, though, that yes, it did affect everyone here. While the tv was talking
about more people getting in touch with their families, expressing their love and
valuing their lives, my observations have been to the contrary. In my neighborhood
tempers have been raging, there is less kindness and more suspicion.
> >With all you have been saying it sounds like you are the middle, not in terms
> >of length of peri-menopause, necessarily, but symptom-wise, where it will soon
> >ease up and you will be able to get through the rest of it much more
> >comfortably. A time I think of as the "exacerbation of symptoms".
>
> I also feel like it is going to ease up soon. I feel like I reached a peak.
I'll keep my fingers crossed. Personally, this annual period I've gotten has
thrown me for a loop. I'm not used to cramps anymore. I've got my Christmas
decorations put up, my house back to normal, am wading my way through mountains of
laundry, and today finally got the kitchen reorganized and groceries brought in.
But, it's felt like it took me forever. I miss my zest. And the period didn't
stop after five days.
> >I hardly ever got that kind unless I had a cold. Either kind, I think, is
> >associated with vaginal dryness, however.
>
> I don't have vaginal dryness YET.
You may never have it.
> >What is it that you have to do when you are dysfunctional?
>
> I think getting out of bed and taking a shower would be desirable!
Oh, that does sound like depression. I've had that, but not from peri-menopause.
My aunt, who was a nurse, told me to get up and wash my face and brush my teeth and
I would automatically remember what to do next once I got started. So, that's what
I always do and it works. One thing leads to another.
> Pamper myself? Ha - I am the queen of pamper. I have to start to push myself to
> at least shower and get dressed.
Have you started your gardening plans for next spring? This year I'm doing
lilies. There's a gap in my blooming flowers towards August. Lilies will nicely
fill it, except I have to look in my gardening book again and figure out which kind
of lilies I'm thinking of. In my "woods" garden, I was growing wildflowers from my
childhood and columbines and heucheras underneath the fruit trees, but the roots of
the fruit trees are getting so big that I both need to add more soil (it's a raised
bed) and figure out something to replace the heucheras which are no longer happy
there. I was watching a movie yesterday and saw ferns growing beneath the
orchard. Ferns, I thought. I have them. They are trying to take over in the
front garden. I'll transplant some to the back in the woods.
I got the most beautifully crocheted ornament from someone on a.s.m. last week. It
prompted me to get out a box of my grandmother's old _Work Basket_ magazines both
to find patterns to send to this a.s.m.er and also possibly to learn to crochet
myself.
I got a new black cashmere coat for Christmas. I need to go through my button
collection and find some fancy antique buttons to put on it.
Maybe what you need to do is become more of a pack rat, so you can dig out projects
to suit your creativity as the mood hits you.
> Please don't think I am being contrary. I am answering honestly, and I guess by
> doing so, you and others could get to know me better.
Understood.
> >> I GOT MY PERIOD TODAY!!!!!!
> >
> >Well, hey! That should give you some relief! Congratulations.
>
> Thanks - I do feel better.
Even rejoicing that you got a period rather than moaning that another one has come
is progress in the peri-menopausal journey, isn't it?
> Thank you for all the time you are taking with me. It is much appreciated.
Someone has always been there for me, too. It's part of the charm of this
newsgroup.
> >Hopefully others will also contribute and perhaps someone else's will be more
> >similar to what you are experiencing.
>
> That would be interesting.
I see MPitch has responded to you. She's great. Got a terrific sense of humor.
> I used to lurk here years ago. I was just wondering what ever happened to Joan
> Livingston????? :-)
She's been post-menopausal for some years now.
Cool Runnings,
HomemakerJ
Laura Blanchard
>
>About how much cabernet is added per volume of water/liquid to soup in the
>patandjoanna tradition,
Equal parts, or possibly a little heavier on the cabernet...
and which brands do you consider decent?
Anything that doesn't take the finish off the kitchen counter.
Luna
>Date: 1/2/02 08:51 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <a10dhk$na5uf$1...@ID-103542.news.dfncis.de>
>
>Oh, p-l-ease! Shhhhhhhh... <g>
>
OK (said in a whisper)
Luna
Luna
>Date: 1/3/02 01:27 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3C33FB20...@attbi.com>
>
>Hi Luna,
>
>Luna wrote:
>
>> >>> HJ Wow. Shades of the Meno Cave. Have you read it? You might want to
>> >>>add to it now that you're in peri-menopause.
>> >>>
>> >> L: I don't remember if I read it. Do you know the URL?
>> >
>> >http://www.oxford.net/~tishy/menocave.html
>>
>> I bookmarked it. I'll read it sometime in the future.
>
>And, when you do, feel free to contribute to it, if you'd like.
>
I read it this morning. I will read it again another time and will contribute
to it when I am out of the cave.
<snip>
<maybe I snipped too much?>.
>
>> I am not doing the tinkering on my own. 20 mg. Prozac is supposed to be
>used for
>> PMDD. It just so happens that it was not right for me. Also - the unopposed
>> estrogen was OKed by two docs who know my problem.
>
>I just wanted to get this clear as other women may read this dialogue and
>assume
>that they can try the same thing without the input of their physician.
>
Good - I am happy you did that. Hormones and psychotropic drugs are nothing to
play around with.
<snipping some more>.
>
>> I spoke with my shrink today about my suspicions of an "underlying
>psychiatric
>> problem". He said it is very hard to tell now, as my hormones are still
>> fluctuating. He said after I am menopausal and I stop getting the
>fluctuations,
>> we will be better able to tell if there is an underlying problem.
>
>Well, this may be good news, then. At any rate, it sounds like you are
>getting
>good help from him.
>
Yes, it is a relief for me. You see, I have had a big problem with PMS, just
recently diagnosed as PMDD all my life, and nobody understood the magnitude of
the problem. Therefore I was unable to get the proper treatment. My life could
have been a lot different now, if only what I was going through would have been
recognized a long time ago.
>> I am also having a reaction from 9/11 which I discussed with him today, and
>I
>> thought it was some sort of PTS, but he said what I was experiencing is a
>> normal reaction.
>
>I live in the midwest and did not know anyone personally who was affected by
>the
>event. I watched it, felt sad, and then turned the tv off. I tend to do
>that
>anyway with tv when there's a big scandal, a trial, a war, anything where the
>media
>just takes over the regular programming. It's how I cope. I have thought
>more
>than once, though, that yes, it did affect everyone here. While the tv was
>talking
>about more people getting in touch with their families, expressing their love
>and
>valuing their lives, my observations have been to the contrary. In my
>neighborhood
>tempers have been raging, there is less kindness and more suspicion.
>
I live in NYC. My brother-in-law was caught in the rubble but survived. My
friends daughter gave him a call after the first building collapsed, and he
didn't hear from her again till early evening. My son was working at the
elections and he is the one who called me to tell me what had happened. I got
so freaked out, that I told him to come home now, cause I had no idea what was
going to happen next, and I just wanted our family to be together. I called my
husband at work, and he too came home. It was a horrifying day. At first I got
nightmares, but now I just get startled from noises.
>> >With all you have been saying it sounds like you are the middle, not in
>terms
>> >of length of peri-menopause, necessarily, but symptom-wise, where it will
>soon
>> >ease up and you will be able to get through the rest of it much more
>> >comfortably. A time I think of as the "exacerbation of symptoms".
>>
>> I also feel like it is going to ease up soon. I feel like I reached a peak.
>
>I'll keep my fingers crossed. Personally, this annual period I've gotten has
>thrown me for a loop. I'm not used to cramps anymore. I've got my Christmas
>decorations put up, my house back to normal, am wading my way through
>mountains of
>laundry, and today finally got the kitchen reorganized and groceries brought
>in.
>But, it's felt like it took me forever. I miss my zest. And the period
>didn't
>stop after five days.
>
How many years have you been getting an annual period?That must be pretty
annoying.
>> >I hardly ever got that kind unless I had a cold. Either kind, I think, is
>> >associated with vaginal dryness, however.
>>
>> I don't have vaginal dryness YET.
>
>You may never have it.
>
No kidding? I heard that vaginal estriol is good for vaginal dryness. Have you
done any research into that?
>> >What is it that you have to do when you are dysfunctional?
>>
>> I think getting out of bed and taking a shower would be desirable!
>
>Oh, that does sound like depression. I've had that, but not from
>peri-menopause.
>My aunt, who was a nurse, told me to get up and wash my face and brush my
>teeth and
>I would automatically remember what to do next once I got started. So,
>that's what
>I always do and it works. One thing leads to another.
>
That is good. My brother-in-law (a different one from the one I mentioned
above) recently got a job for the post office. He works in my neighborhood, and
stops at my house once in a while. I don't want him to see me in the same house
clothes every day, so it is a good incentive for me to at least get dressed.
>> Pamper myself? Ha - I am the queen of pamper. I have to start to push
>myself to
>> at least shower and get dressed.
>
>Have you started your gardening plans for next spring? This year I'm doing
>lilies. There's a gap in my blooming flowers towards August. Lilies will
>nicely
>fill it, except I have to look in my gardening book again and figure out
>which kind
>of lilies I'm thinking of. In my "woods" garden, I was growing wildflowers
>from my
>childhood and columbines and heucheras underneath the fruit trees, but the
>roots of
>the fruit trees are getting so big that I both need to add more soil (it's a
>raised
>bed) and figure out something to replace the heucheras which are no longer
>happy
>there. I was watching a movie yesterday and saw ferns growing beneath the
>orchard. Ferns, I thought. I have them. They are trying to take over in
>the
>front garden. I'll transplant some to the back in the woods.
>
Sounds like a lovely garden. I don't have a big garden. A small patch in front
of the house, and I recently made a small herb garden. I am still learning how
to grow and care for herbs.
>I got the most beautifully crocheted ornament from someone on a.s.m. last
>week.
That is so sweet. What a nice group.
It
>prompted me to get out a box of my grandmother's old _Work Basket_ magazines
>both
>to find patterns to send to this a.s.m.er and also possibly to learn to
>crochet
>myself.
>
I used to crochet. Could you believe I forgot the various different stitches? I
should look for a book so I could relearn.
>I got a new black cashmere coat for Christmas. I need to go through my
>button
>collection and find some fancy antique buttons to put on it.
>
Whoa - you are one busy person. I love it.
>Maybe what you need to do is become more of a pack rat, so you can dig out
>projects
>to suit your creativity as the mood hits you.
>
I am a pack rat! :-) My goal for now is to just learn how to use my sewing
machine, and learn about the needles, threads, tension etc., to make covers for
my sofa, and also learn how to use my new camera.
I did take a test for a state job, and passed, but there is a hiring freeze
now, and probably all for the best. I really need to get myself together here
now with things I enjoy. I live off my husbands salary, which is not great. The
fear is if something should happen to him, but I think he will outlive me -
hopefully.
>> Please don't think I am being contrary. I am answering honestly, and I
>guess by
>> doing so, you and others could get to know me better.
>
>Understood.
>
>> >> I GOT MY PERIOD TODAY!!!!!!
>> >
>> >Well, hey! That should give you some relief! Congratulations.
>>
>> Thanks - I do feel better.
>
>Even rejoicing that you got a period rather than moaning that another one has
>come
>is progress in the peri-menopausal journey, isn't it?
>
Yeah, I have not got to the point of moaning because another one has come - but
I do hope this one is the last.
>> Thank you for all the time you are taking with me. It is much appreciated.
>
>Someone has always been there for me, too. It's part of the charm of this
>newsgroup.
>
>> >Hopefully others will also contribute and perhaps someone else's will be
>more
>> >similar to what you are experiencing.
>>
>> That would be interesting.
>
>I see MPitch has responded to you. She's great. Got a terrific sense of
>humor.
>
Yes, I read her post last night and got a good laugh.
Luna
Luna
I read your post last night and had a good laugh.
My doc checks my blood every 3 months. Thyroid is OK.
Luna
>Subject: Re: Argggg! Is all I can say!
>From: mpit...@aol.com (MPitc2000)
>Date: 1/2/02 07:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20020102193823...@mb-fv.aol.com>