QUESTION: Extension cords and LEAD...
Eleonore Beaudoin
Must say it was maybe 20 years old:)
Thank Goodness I had bought a new one last summer, so the switchign went fast.
Wondering: I saw that the new extension cord I also installed had a
warnign ticket on it, inside the box so you coudl not see before buying
(and was bought last summer too, so too late to exchange).
The warning was about it containing lead. Specifying it was 'known in
California to create cancer and diffrmity in foetus' (!).
It then suggestedhandling as little as possible and washing one's hands
before installing.
QUESTION: are all extension cords with lead and no oen ever told me??
Is this oen a danger more than others are????
If so howcome they are allowed sold?
I take it it must be doen in California for this warnign to be mentined
about 'California' knowing they give cancer?
Does California not have laws to put such warnings on bxes instead of
hiding them inside??
Or are they more honest than others, and are all extension cords of that
kid (heavy type for electronic stuff and power bar like size of cord) with
lead and a danger to health????
Stormin Mormon
any problems. I've been using extension cords for several
decades with no ill effects. If you're concerned, of course
you could always wear surgical gloves, and dispose the
gloves after. Be sure to peel the gloves off inside out, so
the harmful residue is on the inside after removing the
gloves.
--
Christopher A. Young
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"Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in
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Vitara
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I think it's unlikely that handling extension cord will be
> any problems. I've been using extension cords for several
> decades with no ill effects. If you're concerned, of course
> you could always wear surgical gloves, and dispose the
> gloves after. Be sure to peel the gloves off inside out, so
> the harmful residue is on the inside after removing the
> gloves.
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
Can agree w Christopher here. ---And I once worked briefly in a car-
battery shop (but quit
soon :o ). Meaning that I think about Pb. It is a pretty darn
stable element. Not radioactive, virtually. So touching lead
directly, not just being near as through cable covering, would be
necessary. Even to start, even as a beginning of listing the
protections. And it does not seep; is a plain ole metal up to 150+ C.
But even touching it....
(??)
Just don't eat oodles of chips of paint off old walls if you are still
in diapers.
We know mercury is a toxin, sure. And scientists for centuries had
hunches about anything associated with hat-making shops. Yet OTOH
with this other element I have been where bullet-molding was done,
some With a college/engineering (at least parially) person there.
Nothing was said.
Hunters handle cartridges, putting a handful in a pocket. And not all
of the (tight) community of hunters are ignorant of the periodic chart
and isotopes.
U ask about California being more honest. Re labelling. Well
California is of course more bureaucratic, being large and new as a
state. It is of course liberal. Or for sure it WAS, thru mid-
century, the most liberal and progressive state in the U.S. It began
earlier to vote en' mass for environment related safety. And often
they have so-called overkill. Where a read-out says 1200 ppm is the
highest tolerable, Calif gov't will put down 200 ppm is the most
permissible. In the long run this is a good pattern for them to do
IMHO.
As always, if the exact wording of the "error message" (warning) can
be said.... Anyway I can possibly guess that a heavy power-strip
cord they do not want flexed tight and back and forth -- like an
ordinary extension cord may be handled. Because the external rubber
wrapping after aging a bit might crack, then exposing bare metal
wires. In their thinking. Those metal wires/mentioned not to come
near some metal, or shocking a person.
Have received sev. very special pictures today. A Christmas gift I
have. Now. "Yes Virginia,
there IS a 'Saint Nicolas.' " :) ---I can imagine a different
expression is equivalent,
in the Quebeqois.
In a couple days I'll have seasonal f shot. No serum for the other
kind is available in this small-city, except as they put it, 'for
smaller children.'
Prayers. -About tomorrow, and about a lung-concern ../yet.
p.
>
> "Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in
> messagenews:hgalmu$1q8$1...@theodyn.ncf.ca...
> My power bar just died...
>
> Must say it was maybe 20 years old:)
>
> Thank Goodness I had bought a new one last summer, so the
> switchign went fast.
>
> Wondering: I saw that the new extension cord I also
> installed had a
> warnign ticket on it, inside the box so you coudl not see
> before buying
>
Stormin Mormon
compared to the compounds such as lead chloride, nitrate,
etc. Same deal with mercury. Which is rather docile, in the
cold liquid form, but more absorbable as soluble salts, or
vapors.
As one who has handled and fired lead bearing ammunition,
I'm not all that much worried about it. I have more pressing
concerns, such as car wrecks, speed traps, and other more
risky moments.
--
Christopher A. Young
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"Vitara" <wab...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 16, 9:28 am, "Stormin Mormon"
Can agree w Christopher here. ---And I once worked briefly
Eleonore Beaudoin
But do they all contain lead?
The oens you used in the pst, did they all contain lead?
Never saw such a warning before. It is quite long and sounds like serius
stuff...
Maybe they all contain lead and this maker is just more hoenst about it
-or trying to avoid being sued by saying he did put a warning...hidden in
the box?
Eleonore Beaudoin
Thanks for info.
Do you know if those extension cord types all contain lead?
Useful info about Califrnia giving more warnings than elsewhere, thanks.
And thanks for pryaers and all. Op is tmorrow.
Mom is to go in at 8 and op will be at 10:10 in the morning, Don't ask me
why ten minutes past ten and not "ten'. I guess they eman that the
time to get her or he room and staff all ready si ten minutes or the
time to put her under...
We dunno how long: depends on what they find, if more stnes etc, on
liver, or elsewhere.
Started lwing my nose more today, so...Insisted on sister to be there when
mom is in waking room...
In case she woudl have apnea for sleeping too thght. I was right: she made
meat pies and all that fo XMas these lastd ays. Coudl ahve strangled
sister: was sure she woudl see it come and keep mom at her palce. But my
mom is stubborn and pigheaded when she wants soemthing and when she wants
home, she can make one's life miserable until they wanna drive her there
ysterday, so;-).
Hope suster will be by her when she is sleeping still. In case the nurse
woudl be busy with some other patient (8 or so in waking room for oen
nurse...Nt the ideal when an elderly sleeping liek a log from beign
exuatsed and weak...
Thanks for prayers tomroow too.....
C
Vitara
(wab...@gmail.com) writes: > On Dec 16, 9:28=A0am, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I think it's unlikely that handling extension cord will be
>> any problems. I've been using extension cords for several
>> decades with no ill effects. If you're concerned, of course
>> you could always wear surgical gloves, and dispose the
>> gloves after. Be sure to peel the gloves off inside out, so
>> the harmful residue is on the inside after removing the
>> gloves.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher A. Young
>> Learn more about Jesus
>> =A0www.lds.org
Eleonore Beaudoin
> Of course, elemental lead has a different absorbtion,
> compared to the compounds such as lead chloride, nitrate,
> etc. Same deal with mercury. Which is rather docile, in the
> cold liquid form, but more absorbable as soluble salts, or
> vapors.
>
> As one who has handled and fired lead bearing ammunition,
> I'm not all that much worried about it. I have more pressing
> concerns, such as car wrecks, speed traps, and other more
> risky moments.
Dying fast doing something you love is oen think.
Dying just because here is a cord plugged somehwere, or laying around
somewhere, doing nothing ost day, and from some cancer or other, that is
soemthign else.
I exactly want info to make my decision. Without info, no decision can
properly be taken in life, I figure.
Stormin Mormon
lead, it might be in the coloring for the plastic covering.
I doubt it's a concern.
--
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"Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in
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Vitara
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The metal conductors are typically copper. If there is any
> lead, it might be in the coloring for the plastic covering.
> I doubt it's a concern.
>
(Nodding)
Copper being orange-ish of course; shiny. (Sorry.) In numerous tiny
thread-like wires. (You've seen that kind of thing.) Wires going to
stereo speakers (transparent-like) have... well more often have
(alt. ) silvery thread-strands.
And yes I <suppose> (rolling eyes) a tinting of lead in some
protective sheath could be.
I can remember when splitters (from one pair of plug-prongs to three)
of a certain cheap kind were banned. And used to hear extension cords
discouraged. A movement occured against all these cords running
across the floor. Newspapers were mentioning fires.. Now extension
cords are heavier, especially at the end, splitter (octipus) things
are heavier, building are build or reneuvated to have four outlets per
room. All is changed. --Except wiring in the walls, sometimes. (?)
We DO continue to feel some paranoia<?> re elec. because a child
with a hair-pin can poke into a wall socket and....
I had engineering training in the earlier stage. --Tho I've gone less
far than Christopher and have less grasp. I talk to ppl about tech
things ALL the time. I have never worried about the toxins/in/our/
envir. risk aspects of a power cord; I just get a teeny concerned
about the speed of the surge kick-out. Or whether the device has
telephone surge management. Hearing *many* stories, years back, of
fried modems (modi? :). And having lost, myself, one Mac (3x
expensive) modem.
Christopher has pointed out something. (I really hadn't thought about
it previously.) Lead in its metalic, pure (well maybe almost-pure/
alloy?) state is no prob. but in a compound say nitrate will be
totally different.
/I don't what to say about the form of lead which would be in the
covering or unsulating, mid-level covering as an almost trace amount.
Yes I can for a moment think the mfg.-er is more honest than
others. But I'd imagine said inc. is thinking less about a lawsuit
from a consumer than disciplining from the gov't.
What is that rule about not tearing off some labeling which a mattress
has?
[more supra]
And trying to not think overly about worries or concerns :
( :) :)
Stormin Mormon
> lead, it might be in the coloring for the plastic
> covering.
> I doubt it's a concern.
>
(Nodding)
Copper being orange-ish of course; shiny. (Sorry.)
CY: Yes, copper is shiny until it becomes greeny.
In numerous tiny
thread-like wires. (You've seen that kind of thing.) Wires
going to
stereo speakers (transparent-like) have... well more often
have
(alt. ) silvery thread-strands.
CY: Yes, sometimes improperly called "tinned" because of the
tin content of solder.
And yes I <suppose> (rolling eyes) a tinting of lead in some
protective sheath could be.
I can remember when splitters (from one pair of plug-prongs
to three)
of a certain cheap kind were banned.
CY: I used to call them "cheaters", I would not call them
splitters, as they don't split. They reduce. But, that's
just me.
And used to hear extension cords
discouraged. A movement occured against all these cords
running
across the floor. Newspapers were mentioning fires..
CY: oh, gosh. And under the carpet where they got warm. So
terrible.
Now extension
cords are heavier, especially at the end, splitter (octipus)
things
are heavier, building are build or reneuvated to have four
outlets per
room. All is changed. --Except wiring in the walls,
sometimes. (?)
We DO continue to feel some paranoia<?> re elec. because a
child
with a hair-pin can poke into a wall socket and....
CY: Yes, things continue to be bad. Steadily improving, we
now have car restraint seats for kids, mandatory bicycle
helmets, and so on.
I had engineering training in the earlier stage. --Tho I've
gone less
far than Christopher and have less grasp. I talk to ppl
about tech
things ALL the time. I have never worried about the
toxins/in/our/
envir. risk aspects of a power cord; I just get a teeny
concerned
about the speed of the surge kick-out. Or whether the
device has
telephone surge management. Hearing *many* stories, years
back, of
fried modems (modi? :). And having lost, myself, one Mac
(3x
expensive) modem.
CY: So many ways to have things and people damaged.
Christopher has pointed out something. (I really hadn't
thought about
it previously.) Lead in its metalic, pure (well maybe
almost-pure/
alloy?) state is no prob. but in a compound say nitrate will
be
totally different.
CY: Quite so. And so handling tire weights is different than
eating lead paint chips.
/I don't what to say about the form of lead which would be
in the
covering or unsulating, mid-level covering as an almost
trace amount.
Yes I can for a moment think the mfg.-er is more honest
than
others. But I'd imagine said inc. is thinking less about
a lawsuit
from a consumer than disciplining from the gov't.
CY: I'd guess more concerned about lawsuits, also.
What is that rule about not tearing off some labeling which
a mattress
has?
[more supra]
CY: Wasn't that Al Capone's first caper? Him and a bunch of
guys got machine guns, and went and tore off a matress tag
on a dare?
And trying to not think overly about worries or concerns :
( :) :)
CY: Global warming. Oh, sorry, shouldn't have reminded you.
The oceans will all rise 110 feet, and 2/3 of continents
will be under 10 feet of water by the next 200 years.
Vitara
> ..tters (from one pair of plug-prongs
> to three)
> of a certain cheap kind were banned.
>
> CY: I used to call them "cheaters", I would not call them
> splitters, as they don't split. They reduce. But, that's
> just me.
Hi. I improvised that word. I recall it used for interior telephone
lines and their becoming parallel.
Actually, where I was young, these things were called octopus-es
>
> And used to hear extension cords
> discouraged. A movement occured against all these cords
> running
> across the floor. Newspapers were mentioning fires..
>
> CY: oh, gosh. And under the carpet where they got warm. So
> terrible.
Yeh/under carpet.
I think there is more awareness now; ppl don't string things around as
much.
<snip>
> room. All is changed. --Except wiring in the walls,
It is my feeling that plenty of buildings still have wires in the
walls which are a bit vulnerable. (From mice or whatever.)
> sometimes. (?)
> We DO continue to feel some paranoia<?> re elec. because a
> child
> with a hair-pin can poke into a wall socket and....
>
> CY: Yes, things continue to be bad. Steadily improving, we
> now have car restraint seats for kids, mandatory bicycle
> helmets, and so on.
>
<snip>
> fried modems (modi? :). And having lost, myself, one Mac
> (3x expensive) modem.
>
> CY: So many ways to have things and people damaged.
<snip>
> ...alloy?) state is no prob. but in a compound say nitrate will
> be totally different.
>
> CY: Quite so. And so handling tire weights is different than
> eating lead paint chips.
<snip>
> CY: I'd guess more concerned about lawsuits, also.
>
> What is that rule about not tearing off some labeling which
> a mattress has?
...
>
> CY: Wasn't that Al Capone's first caper? Him and a bunch of
> guys got machine guns, and went and tore off a matress tag
> on a dare?
>
> And trying to not think overly about worries or concerns :
> ( :) :)
>
> CY: Global warming. Oh, sorry, shouldn't have reminded you.
> The oceans will all rise 110 feet, and 2/3 of continents
> will be under 10 feet of water by the next 200 years.
Erm. (See elsewhere.)
I read in news .. Yahoo news of ca. 4 days ago : About fusion power
plants. Something like heavy water or just<?> an odd type of Hydrogen
hit by an extremely VERY big laser.
Maybe in 30 or 60 years there will be methods to *stop* the depletion
of ozone layer, stop sulfates and sulfites in the atmosphere (doing
acid rain). (They could read, "Dune" by Frank Herhert and have
inspiration about irrigation, about forestation in those countries
willing to value and protect their trees.)
But maybe not, maybe 10-feet of water over ever-thin'. I read this
evening in a chapter by Emanuel Levinas about Gabriel Marcel
(philos.), and it was, "Now that the end of the world is approaching."
I think he was having a bad day. --But did not revise, when the book
went to press.
cheers
Eleonore Beaudoin
Odd. Are all plastic covering with lead then?
I.e. can one find to buy soe that contain no lead?
Eleonore Beaudoin
> On Dec 17, 9:15=A0am, "Stormin Mormon"
It is not a thing of overly concern, but ainly being a bit wodnering about
the warning being so long and so insistng. akes me wonder if they ahve
more lead than other makers or if usually there is none in those cords.
As for leads, in the older days, I was so so affected by pc waves that I
even investigated about having a pc that woudl be elad covered, if it
existed. We had found that it existed for some labs that ahd to do
researches that coudl not be affected by those waves. We investigated
about the price: it as then about 10,000 bucks. But I felt that the waves
were affecting me more than lead woudl have, at the time.
Still, if some company woudl use unusual amounts of lead in an extension
cord and others did not, I;d make sure to buy the ext oens without, see?
That si why I am asking.
Thanks for ifo, btw, much appreciated.
C
Stormin Mormon
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Stormin Mormon
ask them. Since that (whoever it is) agency seems
concerned.
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Linda Freeman
the led is encased in rubber. I will check in with you when I need an
update. I have a neighbor who has already convinced me to use hepa
filters for my AC and exclusively micro-wave plates. I have another
friend now who ses I shouldn't even use the microwave. O' hell's bells!