Re: OLIVE OIL ELIXIR

[Half fast]

"Justaguy" wrote in message news:jmvf1r$1g5$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

I have brought my morning BG readings down in the high 80's
to mid 90's without meds by consuming mostly fat for my
last snack meal about 2 hours prior to bed-usually a couple
of low carb bread slices soaked in alot of olive oil
(estimated 700 cal or so, about 5 tbsp), a little bit of
protein (an hard boiled egg maybe) and some berries and
almond milk. I also take a tablet comprised of ginseng and
amapalay extract with the last meal or slightly before it.
My usual readings in morning are anywheres from 105-110,
now with this new regimen it's like 90. Not sure if it's
the high fat meal or the gingseng tablet, but happy with
the change. I am however worried about all the warnings
against too much saturated fat in your diet. 5 Tbsp of
olive oil is about 10gms of sat fat as I recall?

Anyone else eat high fat/protein as last meal or follow
similar regimen?
**************************
Don't worry about the saturated fat in evoo. (14%)
Do use extra virgin.
Remember that it is the basis of then Mediterranean Diet.
May lower BP slightly.
Be happy.

*********************** **

[Julie Bove]

Justaguy wrote:
> I have brought my morning BG readings down in the high 80's
> to mid 90's without meds by consuming mostly fat for my
> last snack meal about 2 hours prior to bed-usually a couple
> of low carb bread slices soaked in alot of olive oil
> (estimated 700 cal or so, about 5 tbsp), a little bit of
> protein (an hard boiled egg maybe) and some berries and
> almond milk. I also take a tablet comprised of ginseng and
> amapalay extract with the last meal or slightly before it.
> My usual readings in morning are anywheres from 105-110,
> now with this new regimen it's like 90. Not sure if it's
> the high fat meal or the gingseng tablet, but happy with
> the change. I am however worried about all the warnings
> against too much saturated fat in your diet. 5 Tbsp of
> olive oil is about 10gms of sat fat as I recall?
>
> Anyone else eat high fat/protein as last meal or follow
> similar regimen?

That sounds like waaaaay too many calories for a snack! I had a big dinner
tonight and didn't even consume that many calories.

[Pendrag0n]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 23:15:08 +0000 (UTC), Justaguy
<just...@diabetesworld.org> wrote:

>I have brought my morning BG readings down in the high 80's
>to mid 90's without meds by consuming mostly fat for my
>last snack meal about 2 hours prior to bed-usually a couple
>of low carb bread slices soaked in alot of olive oil
>(estimated 700 cal or so, about 5 tbsp), a little bit of
>protein (an hard boiled egg maybe) and some berries and
>almond milk. I also take a tablet comprised of ginseng and
>amapalay extract with the last meal or slightly before it.
>My usual readings in morning are anywheres from 105-110,
>now with this new regimen it's like 90. Not sure if it's
>the high fat meal or the gingseng tablet, but happy with
>the change. I am however worried about all the warnings
>against too much saturated fat in your diet. 5 Tbsp of
>olive oil is about 10gms of sat fat as I recall?
>
>Anyone else eat high fat/protein as last meal or follow
>similar regimen?

Sounds like a terribly bad idea last thing at night anyway. Not sure
all saturated fats are bad. Olive and coconut oil both have good
reputation apparently.

If you can get your BG readings daily then try one without the other
for a week and see what happens?

[Trawley Trash]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:54:39 -0700
"Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:

> That sounds like waaaaay too many calories for a snack! I had a big
> dinner tonight and didn't even consume that many calories.

Someone's idea of internet marketing. Olive oil is better than butter,
and way better than margarine, but *five* tablespoons?

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Na rijp beraad schreef Trawley Trash :

For 1 month I had taken 6 tablespoons of olive oil dayly. To make my
stool easier. It only got worse..
M.

[ra...@val.com]

On Apr 21, 6:15 pm, Justaguy <justa...@diabetesworld.org> wrote:
> I have brought my morning BG readings down in the high 80's
> to mid 90's without meds by consuming mostly fat for my
> last snack meal about 2 hours prior to bed-usually a couple
> of low carb bread slices soaked in alot of olive oil
> (estimated 700 cal or so, about 5 tbsp), a little bit of
> protein (an hard boiled egg maybe) and some berries and
> almond milk. I also take a tablet comprised of ginseng and
> amapalay extract with the last meal or slightly before it.
> My usual readings in morning are anywheres from 105-110,
> now with this new regimen it's like 90. Not sure if it's
> the high fat meal or the gingseng tablet, but happy with
> the change. I am however worried about all the warnings
> against too much saturated fat in your diet. 5 Tbsp of
> olive oil is about 10gms of sat fat as I recall?
>
> Anyone else eat high fat/protein as last meal or follow
> similar regimen?

If it works for you then that's the final word.

For myself a 700 calorie "snack" before bed time is out of the
question. I've found consistent calorie control to be the most
powerful intervention of keeping bg levels in order. Your protocol is
not compatible to what works for me.

Also Olive oil is Only 14% saturated fat, 86% percent is made up of
monos and pufas.

There is a fair amount of positive finding using Olive oil in diabetic
diets, but there can be problems with weight gain.

For instance, two groups of diabetics were allowed eat all they wanted
of either a 40% fat (mostly olive oil) 45% carb diet, or a low fat
(20%) higher complex/fiber carb diets (60%).
The diabetics eating the Olive oil diet ate 2900 calories and gained
weight. The diabetics on the lower fat higher carb ate 2680 calories
and lost weight. In other words the lower fat higher carb diet
automatically resulted in eating less and weight loss. Those on the
higher fat diet gain weight.

Even the researchers were surprised by the results.
They said:
"Contrary to expectations, the ad libitum, low-fat, high-fiber diet
promoted weight loss in patients with type 2 diabetes without causing
unfavorable alterations in plasma lipids or glycemic control."

Randy


Refs:

Full paper available here: http://www.ajcn.org/content/80/3/668.full

Effects of a low-fat diet compared with those of a high-
monounsaturated fat diet on body weight, plasma lipids and
lipoproteins, and glycemic control in type 2 diabetes1,2,3
Glenn T Gerhard, Andrew Ahmann, Kaatje Meeuws, Martha P McMurry, P
Barton Duell and William E Connor

ABSTRACT
Background: An important therapeutic goal for patients with type 2
diabetes is weight loss, which improves metabolic abnormalities. Ad
libitum low-fat diets cause weight loss in nondiabetic populations.
Compared with diets higher in monounsaturated fat, however, eucaloric
low-fat diets may increase plasma triacylglycerol concentrations and
worsen glycemic control in persons with type 2 diabetes.

Objective: We investigated whether, in type 2 diabetes patients, an ad
libitum low-fat diet would cause greater weight loss than would a high-
monounsaturated fat diet and would do this without increasing plasma
triacylglycerol concentrations or worsening glycemic control.

Design: Eleven patients with type 2 diabetes were randomly assigned to
receive an ad libitum low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet or a high-
monounsaturated fat diet, each for 6 wk. The diets offered contained
125% of the estimated energy requirement to allow self-selection of
food quantity. The response variables were body weight; fasting plasma
lipid, lipoprotein, glucose, glycated hemoglobin A1c, and fructosamine
concentrations; insulin sensitivity; and glucose disposal.

Results: Body weight decreased significantly (1.53 kg; P < 0.001) only
with the low-fat diet. Plasma total, LDL-, and HDL-cholesterol
concentrations tended to decrease during both diets. There were no
interaction effects between diet and the lipid profile response over
time. Plasma triacylglycerol concentrations, glycemic control, and
insulin sensitivity did not differ significantly between the 2 diets.

Conclusion: Contrary to expectations, the ad libitum, low-fat, high-
fiber diet promoted weight loss in patients with type 2 diabetes
without causing unfavorable alterations in plasma lipids or glycemic
control.

[Pendrag0n]

Doesn't matter what diet you're on if you're eating 2900 calories a
day you're gonna gain weight.

[ra...@val.com]

Agreed.
The point being that both groups were allowed to eat as much as they
wanted. The higher fat group automatically eat more, the low fat group
automatically ate less.

Randy

[Ellen K.]

My experience has been that as long as I keep my carbs low (much lower than
the 45% cited in the article you mention) I can consume quite a bit of olive
oil with no weight gain. I have no idea why that should be the case, but
that's my experience. Currently I am going through a liter I guess about 2
months, plus some foods I buy include it -- notably tuna packed in olive
oil, but also mediterranean type take-out salads from the deli dept at my
local kosher market. (They make one I am positively addicted to: shredded
green cabbage with sliced calamata olives and strips of red, yellow and
green peppers.) Most of my carbs are from non-starchy vegetables but I now
usually also eat two 2-ounce servings of fruit per day and usually one
low-carb pita. Plus I get some carbs from legumes. I also have about 1/3 c
of plain lowfat yogurt every day, which shows carbs on the carton but I
remember reading here that the yogurt cultures actually eat the carbs as it
sits in the fridge, so maybe there are fewer than shown.

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[GysdeJongh]

Justaguy wrote:
> "ra...@val.com" <ra...@val.com> wrote in
> news:afec4e5d-4c9e-4563-b97e-b857a60c4006
> @m13g2000yqi.googlegr
> oups.com:

>
>> On Apr 21, 6:15 pm, Justaguy <justa...@diabetesworld.org>
>> wrote:
>>> I have brought my morning BG readings down in the high
>>> 80's to mid 90's without meds by consuming mostly fat for
>>> my last snack meal about 2 hours prior to bed-usually a
>>> couple of low carb bread slices soaked in alot of olive
>>> oil (estimated 700 cal or so, about 5 tbsp), a little bit
>>> of protein

>> For myself a 700 calorie "snack" before bed time is out of
>> the question. I've found consistent calorie control to be
>> the most powerful intervention of keeping bg levels in
>> order. Your protocol is not compatible to what works for me.

>> Full paper available here:
>> http://www.ajcn.org/content/80/3/668.full
>>
>> Effects of a low-fat diet compared with those of a high-
>> monounsaturated fat diet on body weight, plasma lipids and
>> lipoproteins, and glycemic control in type 2

> But the nice thing about olive oil is that it quells my
> incessant hunger and does not spike my bg-at least not that
> I have been able to detect.

Did it spike your triglycerides ? If you eat fat instead of carbs it seems
more logical to be worried about the fat in your blood than about the sugar
in your blood, Imo

> I have slept perfectly well
> with that amount usually taken 1-2 hours prior to bed.
> THe biggest problem is sopping it up since the bread does
> not seem to take it up very easily.

Here is a bold idea : how about olives ?

They contain very, very, vergin olive oil, not adulterated or oxidated in a
food-like processing plant. They contain a bit of fiber, so you can leave
out the bread. They contain a bit of protein as well. No sopping up problems
by design.

Besides olive oil they contain a lot of anti oxidants, Polyphenols,
Flavonoids, a lot of things I have forgotten and a lot of things science has
yet to discover.

Gys

[outsider]

On 4/24/2012 10:45 PM, GysdeJongh wrote:

[...]

> a lot of things science
> has yet to discover.
>
> Gys

Science has discovered everything, it is only we humans that
remain unaware. :-)

[Pendrag0n]

In the space of one hundred and seventy-six years the Lower
Mississippi has shortened itself two hundred and forty-two miles. That
is an average of a trifle over one mile and a third per year.
Therefore, any calm person, who is not blind or idiotic, can see that
in the Old Oolitic Silurian Period, just a million years ago next
November, the Lower Mississippi River was upwards of one million three
hundred thousand miles long, and stuck out over the Gulf of Mexico
like a fishing-rod. And by the same token any person can see that
seven hundred and forty-two years from now the Lower Mississippi will
be only a mile and three-quarters long, and Cairo and New Orleans will
have joined their streets together, and be plodding comfortably along
under a single mayor and a mutual board of aldermen. There is
something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns
of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

Mark Twain - Life on the Mississippi

Ha

[Bob]

On 4/25/2012 1:48 PM, Justaguy wrote:
> "GysdeJongh"<JonghSevenHundredElevenAtPlanet.nl> wrote in
> news:4f97734c$0$19433$8a7a...@news4.usenet4u.nl:

> Yes, of course, thanks for the reminder-always best to avoid things touched
> by man's hand. Only problem is that olives are not available here in
> natural state but in packed sodium enhanced cans and bottles-VERY high
> sodium, too high for me to consume.

So get a hot house or move to Italy and grow your own, or build a
desodiumizer.
Sheeeesh..........

Bob

[W. Baker]

In alt.support.diabetes Bob <anothas...@aol.com> wrote:
: >>
: >> Here is a bold idea : how about olives ?

: >>
: >> They contain very, very, vergin olive oil, not adulterated or oxidated
: >> in a food-like processing plant. They contain a bit of fiber, so you
: >> can leave out the bread. They contain a bit of protein as well. No
: >> sopping up problems by design.
: >>
: >> Besides olive oil they contain a lot of anti oxidants, Polyphenols,
: >> Flavonoids, a lot of things I have forgotten and a lot of things
: >> science has yet to discover.
: >>
: >> Gys
: >>
: >
: > Yes, of course, thanks for the reminder-always best to avoid things touched
: > by man's hand. Only problem is that olives are not available here in
: > natural state but in packed sodium enhanced cans and bottles-VERY high
: > sodium, too high for me to consume.

: So get a hot house or move to Italy and grow your own, or build a
: desodiumizer.
: Sheeeesh..........

: Bob

Have you ever tasted a ripe olive right off the tree? inedible until
processed in some way.

Wendy

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Op 28-4-2012, heeft W. Baker verondersteld :

I did out of curiosity: _one_ "fresh" olive from a tree. Oi gewalt.
The taste didnt go away for a whole day.
M.

[anothas...@aol.com]

Yes.
Once.

[Pendrag0n]

The more bitter the taste apparently the better quality. I usually buy
the cheap virgin oil and take a sip every morning to aid digestion and
it tastes OK. Last week I thought I might try a better quality one
(the darker the oil the better it is) and yuk it tastes horrid. So I
guess the moral of the story is the closer you get to a good quality
olive the worse it tastes :)

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Pendrag0n stelde de volgende uitleg voor :

The taste of the olive-oil has nothing to do with the quality of the
olives.
M.

[Devils Advocaat]

Unless your running a marathon every day ... lol