Tks...
The only time it was suggested we wear a cup was when we wrestled a blind
school. They tend to use there blindness to take cheap shots. Coach warned us
and it was a good suggestion
Derek
depends on coach...our old coach made us wear em for matches and weigh
ins...our new coach doesnt care...i've had a couple refs who see boxers under
singlet and make em take em off. then they are freeballin in a
singlet...college coach made us
most wrestlers do boxers and dont even own a jockstrap...I still wear mine...ya
only get one set so ya gotta protect em
NJ Hockey Player
PLAY ROUGH OR GET OFF THE FIELD!!!!! ANTHONY P. #22
TITAN VARSITY SQUAD ,CAPTAIN AND ALL STATE DEFENSIVE TACKLE 2000
This surprises me. I've never team wrestled, but it seems awfully
easy for a knee or even a hand to accidently slip and go flying and hit the
wrong place. I would think the protection of a jock would give the
wrestlers more confidence in safety.
Some wrestler friends of mine tell me that wrestlers don't wear cups
becuase they can be used against an opponent. Wrestlers respect each
others' groins, too ... they know that if they rack an opponent, they
will get hurt, either by the opponent or others on his team.
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I don't know if you guys ever wore a jock. From this statement it makes me
wonder. Go put on a jock and take a bat, stick, tennis raquet and hit yourself
in the groin. A jock does nothing to stop a impact. NOTHING.
A jock is designed to keep the testicles up close to the body and out of the
way. Not for any kind of impact what so ever. So if anyone tells you this
isn't true. Tell them to log onto the bike web page and read what a jock was
designed for. I have a pamphlet from bike that a sporting good store was
handing out and it outlines the reason to wear a jock. The reason a jock is
better than regular skivvies and other things. I will send it to them.
Thanks for your time.
Derek
Every once and a while this question pops-up and the usual responses
rise to the occasion.
Please remember the difference between what people should do and what
they actually do.
The practical reason for wearing a Jockstrap for any physical activity
is to protect the tiny muscles, tendons, ligaments and connective
tissues in and around the genitals.
ANY repeated physical activity causes the testicles to 'jump'. They
draw-up towards the body. This is an autonomic response and cannot be
prevented. Its like trying to hold your eyes open during a sneeze. By
holding your balls up close to your body, a jockstrap helps prevent
fatigue and injury.
Most sports require the use of a jockstrap!
Even something like Golf. Now, if you're only going to play 9 holes on
a small course, 3 times during the Summer then you might be able to
argue against the use of a jockstrap. However, if you're going out
every weekend and warming-up on the driving range before playing 18
holes and you're not wearing a jockstrap then you're headed for
problems. Even a golf swing will cause the nuts to pull-up.
During Junior High, High School and College, I played many different
sports but Wrestling was my favorite and I did it all 10 years!
When I first started out we were required to wear Jockstraps and the
Coach would line us up for Uniform inspection. He would walk down the
line stopping in front of each one of us [years later, I realized that
he must have been in the military]. Checking to see if we had our mouth
guards in. If our Halo [headgear that protects the ears and prevent a
condition called Cauliflower Ear] was adjusted correctly. There was one
guy who was blind as a bat [no offence to all you bats out there] and he
had special prescription goggles that had to be checked. Lastly, we had
to turn around and hook our thumbs on the leg straps and pull them down
out of the Singlet legs so the coach could see that we were wearing our
jockstrap. The punishments are not appropriate to this post.
Later, a special stretchy brief was approved for use under Wrestling
Singlets. This was for modesty purposes only. The briefs were sold by
the same companies that manufactured the singlets and could be ordered
in matching colors so they didn't show through. Many guys, that needed
to wear the briefs, would wear their jockstraps under it.
Warning: Stepping-up on Soap Box.
Now today, we have kids participating in sports that are not wearing
jockstraps. What's wrong with these Coaches? What's wrong with these
kids?
The Coach needs to be a Role Model and provide discipline. Its his
responsibility to provide a safe environment for the enjoyment of
playing sports and the protection from injury.
Are the kids stupid because of peer-pressure? 'We don't want to undress
in front of the other guys because he may be gay or have a bigger dick
then me. We don't want to take a shower because we might get a hard-on.
Whine, whine, whine...' Or is it that: 'I'm 15 years and INVINCIBLE!',
'I have Balls of Steel!' mentality?
Well, they have a choice: if they don't wear their Jockstraps now then
they'll be wearing special Straps later called: Trusses and
Suspensories. When they're 40 years old and can't lift a bag of
groceries because of testicle pain or they can't perform sexually. Is
anyone telling these kids this? It should scare the hell of of them!
Putting Soap Box away now.
In addition, there are many other reasons for wearing Jockstraps. They
feel good. The stiff strap encircling your waist. The way the leg
straps give the cheeks a little caress. The snug pouch encasing you
balls. The struggling of your cock to break free of its imprisonment.
The way a Jock feels when you rub your nose against the webbing. Gently
licking the area where the pouch joins the legstraps. Teasing a man's
exposed hole with your wet tongue while his rock-hard cock is straining
inside the pouch. Hooking your fingers over the waistband and slowing
pulling it down. Springing to freedom, his huge tool bounces in front
of you. A small drop glistens on the tip. You lean forward and...
Whoops! Was that off-topic?
Ahem,
Coaches: Make your athletes wear their Jockstraps!
Athletes: Wear you Jockstraps!
Coaches can no longer do the uniform checks, (checking for jockstraps) because
most are fearful for their jobs. All it takes nowadays in our paranoid culture
is one false accusation against a teacher and the teacher is immediately
suspended.In fact most "new teacher/coaches" are instructed by their principles
to avoid such checks because of the way our society and these parents are
nowadays. An innocent jock check could easily be interpreted as sexual abuse or
the teacher is a pervert and gets his kicks out of seeing young boys and men in
their jockstrap.
This paranoid atmospherehas even transcended down upon the atheletes
themselves. Not wanting to expose any part of their genitals to any one else.
That way they do not take the chance of being called gay or being "raped" their
in front of everybody. Also modesty plays a big part since our society has made
the penis such an "awful" subject the athletes (Jr High and High School age
primarily) feel they would feel dirty exposing themselves.
Many coaches still today preach on the use of protective gear, maybe not jock
by name but generally all protective gear, they avoid this name so they do not
appear to be "perverted" what it probably will take is the same type campaign
that is used for drug use, or prenancy, show those 40 years in pain when they
lift a bag and the such.
Interesting how all the other posters said jocks were not required
for wrestling. I had inquired if they wouldn't be helpful in case
someone was trying to grab your knee but missed and hand slid up
(on the nylon uniform) up the crotch (like I said, I've never done
it on a team so I don't know the holds/moves). People responded
that wrestlers concentrate and make sure that doesn't happen.
> Now today, we have kids participating in sports that are not wearing
> jockstraps. What's wrong with these Coaches? What's wrong with these
> kids?
> Are the kids stupid because of peer-pressure? 'We don't want to undress
> in front of the other guys because he may be gay or have a bigger dick
> then me. We don't want to take a shower because we might get a hard-on.
> Whine, whine, whine...' Or is it that: 'I'm 15 years and INVINCIBLE!',
> 'I have Balls of Steel!' mentality?
This is an interesting question. What are your thoughts on this
(please post publicly). A newspaper had an article on this a while
back which was posted in entirety here. What I gathered from it in
essence was (1) people think compression shorts offer an acceptable
alternative and (2) there's more of a sense of modesty among kids
and a line that coaches can't cross any more. (This also applies
to no more showering after gym).
As to #2, back in the late 1960s we had to shower after gym in jr high.
The teachers would be standing there while we all paraded around naked.
Back then, while we didn't like it and felt uncomfortable, society
saw nothing wrong with it, indeed, it was felt it was somehow good
for us to break down our modesty. Today, the social feelings are
the opposite. I don't know if that's good or bad, but that's how
things have changed.
An additional factor, that is a very sensitive issue, is the fear
of molestation by kids and their parents. Years ago, this was
something that was not discussed publicly and thus not widely known as
a problem. Also, I don't think they realized years ago how devastating
being molested was to a child and what an extremely serious crime it was.
Years ago, I think almost all parents would insist their kids take showers
wtih the others, today I think most parents would object or at least be
concerned. (Any long time gym teachers out there care to comment
publicly?)
And the fear of gays is an issue nowadays too, and it wasn't years ago.
In my area, it was discovered that a man left a video camera hidden
in a boys' locker room. He was arrested and porn was found in his home.
Think about how that incident would concern parents and kids.
Anyway, the bottom line is that today there is a much greater sense
of privacy among kids and adults today. For a school to tell a
kid to wear a jock today is seen as violating personal privacy.
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Thats right! Most guys on the team shower in swimtrunks or shorts! Who is
gonna tell em to strip?
<< Many coaches still today preach on the use of protective gear, maybe not
jock
by name but generally all protective gear, they avoid this name so they do not
appear to be "perverted" >>
We can tell them, and recommend, but not require. If we do, we have to provide
for those who say they can't afford a jock, or whatever. There isn't enough
money to go around. Jockstraps are never on the budget.
Singlets every 4 years is about all we get. Not even shoes, gear bags, or
other equipment.
I heard schools used to have barrels of jockstraps for guys to use and return.
Wow...those days are gone.
An interesting discussion. I have two points to offer here, based on my own
experience as a kid going through public junior high and high school in the
latter 1960's:
1. Starting in 7th grade, when I was 12, our gym coaches made it quite
clear that if we didn't completely suit up, we didn't participate in class.
Period - no excuses. Our grade was based on our participation in class.
"Suiting up" included wearing the required jockstrap under our mandatory
school-issue gym clothes. The coaches and the school said they weren't
going to assume liability if we got hurt by not being properly dressed for
class. This rule continued until I was out of high school.
2. If we DID participate in class, no matter how minimal that may have
been, we were REQUIRED to shower after class. I recall we had a locker room
"monitor" whose job it was to report to the coach any students who didn't
shower. One day I twisted my ankle right at the start of class, and sat out
the rest of the period. Since I hadn't done anything to warrant taking a
shower, I had just changed back into my street clothes at the end of things.
Next thing I knew, I was being hauled into the coach's office to explain
myself to him. I can still picture his angry red face as he yelled at me,
demanding to know why I wasn't following the rules. I never failed to
shower after class again, no matter what.
I'm curious to know how you other guys (of all ages) feel about being naked
in front of other men in a locker room setting. I'm not talking about
anything sexual, just in a typical locker room or changing area. Would you
strip in front of other guys who are there for the same purposes? Would you
shower (naked) in front of those same men? Or are you shy about showing
your body in such circumstances? Why?
I am a very private person normally, but find I am not shy at all about
stripping, changing clothes, or showering in front of others in a locker
room. I also always wear a jock as part of my workout. I can't help but
feel this attitude is because of my coaches back in junior high and high
school demanding we change, suit up properly, and shower in front of our
classmates after gym class.
Anyone care to comment? (If you write to me privately, remove the obvious
spam trap from my return address.)
--Dave
> I'm curious to know how you other guys (of all ages) feel about being
> naked in front of other men in a locker room setting. I'm not
> talking about anything sexual, just in a typical locker room or
> changing area. Would you strip in front of other guys who are there
> for the same purposes? Would you shower (naked) in front of those
> same men? Or are you shy about showing your body in such
> circumstances? Why?
I play amateur adult hockey. Before and after games we change in locker
rooms, either with just our teammates for league games or with whatever
other players show up for pick-up games. I do strip before and after
games; after games I generally take a shower (depending on whether there
is a shower head in that room). It's often a mixed crowd, with one woman
for every six or eight men. Not many people seem to care ... we're here
to play hockey, not to pick up dates.
> I am a very private person normally, but find I am not shy at all
> about stripping, changing clothes, or showering in front of others in
> a locker room. I also always wear a jock as part of my workout. I
> can't help but feel this attitude is because of my coaches back in
> junior high and high school demanding we change, suit up properly,
> and shower in front of our classmates after gym class.
> Anyone care to comment?
Not everyone is as open as I am. Many men wear baggy shorts under
everything else and never strip past that. The women have all managed to
find ways to keep covered ... one waits until everyone but her best
friends has gone before taking her shower. The younger men seem to be
more shy, though one older man was openly upset that women are present.
I don't understand what his beef is ... we're all adults.
In my school years, we were told a jockstrap was required, but was
never checked. Even then I don't think that would've been appreciated
by students or parents. I don't know the practice in other places, some
people said there were actual checks.
Now I wonder about coaching kids in contact sports like tackle football
or ice hockey. I recall reading an ice hockey book which suggested
that youth coaches be in the locker room with the kids monitoring how
they dress so they put on the various paddings and gear correctly,
and that included an absolute mandatory cup supporter. My guess
is today that coaches hand out an equipment list, the kid gets dressed
at home.
I was very uncomfortable showering in jr high. Perhaps the intent
was to make us less self conscious, but I didn't care for it at all.
Judging by how fast kids ran through the shower and back to their
lockers, I don't think anyone else liked it either.
I remember in college a new dorm opened with private showers instead
of open gang showers, and was greatly welcomed.
A lot of coaches do not require kids to wear jocks because they themselves
didn't like to wear them. Some never saw the need for them so they do not
require their students to wear them. Had all coaches had a jock fetish like
most of us in here this would not be a problem.
There is no doubt that a jock is a good thing for certain sports. And a cup is
a must for others. But we also need to understand that ever the guys that wear
them because they know it's smart or because they have to, do not necessarily
like them.
I know, how can someone not like the feeling of a good jock up around your
scrotum holding things all nice and tight. It bewilders me too. But the fact
remains there are guys out there trhat don't even like to wear briefs. They
are to confining for them. I understand that boxers are the in thing and many
guys use that excuse for not making kids wear a jock or at least a set of
compression shorts.
Modesty has taken over. But if given the choice I know a lot of kids that
would have never dressed for class. In our days it was expected, you didn't
question it. Those days are gone and are never coming back. Income is one
reason. A friend of mine coaches basketball and cannot require the kids to
wear a jock because some can't afford it. (I don't understand this because they
have $150.00 shoes on their feet) but that is the reason that is given. I know
many of you like me would pay for the kids that can't afford it just to see
them in a jock. I know I would.
As far as changing with others. When we play hockey at Berkeley Iceland some
of the guys go into the locker room and dtrip down. Some go into the stands
and strip down. Their girlfriends right there when the drop off the cup, towel
off and get changed. Some shower some don't. Trust me on this, no oine there
worries about it nearly as much as we seem to in this news group. We are there
to play and then go home. That's it. Nothing else is said to those that come
dressed, only undress part of the way or strip down and take showers. It isn't
given that much thought.
Whew ! ! !
That was a long one. Anyone want to chat about this feel free to give me a
jingle. Happy to discuss difference of opinion.
'
Take care,
Derek
In my opinion, this is the way it should be handled with any contact sport.
Once they are of legal age, they are on their own and can do what they want,
but with minors, the leagues, and the coaches can be held liable. Particular
in todays, into court, sue them mentality.
FTM2 wrote in message <20001130010529...@ng-md1.aol.com>...
John wrote in message ...
>I have to go along with you on this one. I help coach a jr. league team for
>a couple of years. We had one kid who wouldn't get a cup and jock. Said he
>could afford it. But he was wearing $100 plus shoes, had an aluminum bat
>that cost about $80 and a glove that was near $100. We(the teams coaches)
>offered to buy him the cup and jock, but he said he would wear them(the
real
>reason, not the money) Rather than risk a potential problem because he got
>injured(league rules required a cup for all players regardless of
position);
>we just cut him from the team.
>
>In my opinion, this is the way it should be handled with any contact sport.
>Once they are of legal age, they are on their own and can do what they
want,
>but with minors, the leagues, and the coaches can be held liable.
Particular
>in todays, into court, sue them mentality.
>
>
>
>FTM2 wrote in message <20001130010529...@ng-md1.aol.com>...
>
> As far as changing with others. When we play hockey at Berkeley
> Iceland some of the guys go into the locker room and dtrip down.
Hey, Derek ... Do you ever play hockey at the Oakland Ice Center?
Never played at the ice center. I have been in there I think once. Seemed
like a nice place. Didn't like the way a few of the guys outside were casing
the parking lot. I guess there is no big problems. Haven't heard of any.
Do you play there often???
Take care
Derek
> > I'm curious to know how you other guys (of all ages) feel about being naked
> > in front of other men in a locker room setting. I'm not talking about
> > anything sexual, just in a typical locker room or changing area. Would you
> > strip in front of other guys who are there for the same purposes? Would you
> > shower (naked) in front of those same men? Or are you shy about showing
> > your body in such circumstances? Why?
>
> I was very uncomfortable showering in jr high. Perhaps the intent
> was to make us less self conscious, but I didn't care for it at all.
> Judging by how fast kids ran through the shower and back to their
> lockers, I don't think anyone else liked it either.
When I was in Jr. High, it all depended on who was taking a shower. That's the
age
when "things" change.or not. I remember boys that looked like they were 8 and
boys
that looked like they were 18. The ones that looked 18 were very proud of their
new,
larger, hairier equiptment. The actually seemed to go out of their way to be
seen.
Markas
About twice a week. It's a nice place, but the management needs to learn
to care about its customers. But that's the same at any ice rink.
When I played junior league football in the early 80s, while we were doing the
leg stretches on our backs where we lifted and spread our legs, the coahes
would case up and down throwing footballs at our crotches, checking to make
sure we were wearing a cup. They'd always yell "cup check!" first, just in
case you weren't, but it was pretty effective in getting everyone to wear one.
Also, when I was older, I found guys were talk about technqiues in
self-pleasure, or would mention they did so, in my day that was never
ever discussed at all. I read that years ago group "circle jerks" were
a common thing, to my surprise.
Comments welcome, public posts please.
I'd wager that the vast majority of men and boys who <dislike> and <refuse
to wear> a jock do so simply because they really Do NOT need one!
My highly UNscientific observation (based on many thousands of FFN pix
posted on the 'Net & which I've tallied) the size, weight, and <hang> of
testicles is decreasing while the size of penises is INcreasing in the
general population. Any <real> scientists out there who might care to
offer support (err...PTP!) or rebuttal?????
Aloha!
CuppedBear!
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In article <904ilo$1...@netaxs.com>, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com (neither Lisa nor
And by the way, has ANYone ever seen one of those <STAINLESS STEEL> cups
that Esquire mag. wrote about as NFL-exclusive or something when they
profiled the <dangers> of being a PRO football player way back I think in
the early 70s?!?!??!?!
Aloha!
CuppedBear!
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In article <20001201205401...@ng-cl1.aol.com>,
PLAY ROUGH OR GET OFF THE FIELD!!!!! ANTHONY P. #22
TITAN VARSITY SQUAD ,CAPTAIN AND ALL STATE DEFENSIVE TACKLE 2000
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In article <20001204013041...@ng-bj1.aol.com>,
From your self-description sounds as thought you'd have a problem (as a not
insignificant number of men DO) comfortably fitting all that <treasure> into
any commercially available CUP. If you've been involved with this NG for
any period of time you'd have seen my posts about SIZED CUPS. Rem. men's
<packages> vary almost as much as women's tits but heyyy... THEY have 100 or
more <sizes> for brassičres.... why not at least 4 or 5 SIZES of cups???
As far as <displaying> what you've got..... well... I'd be the FIRST to
OGLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The only people who seem to object to
displays of <bulging manhood> are NFL game cameramen who can jerk a camera
off a bulging crotch faster than a roach when the light's turned on! ;-)))
I'm heavily into huge dicks but those <<very, very low balls>> sound like
déja vu from my favourite wet dreams! Slurrrrrrrrrppp!!!
;-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
How about favouring us with
a pic or three of your <pouch stretchers>?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Swing Low..... & Aloha!
CuppedBear!
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In article <18223-3A...@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
I'm N-O-T heavily.....
Onr MIGHT get away with calling me a <queen> but a <SIZE-queen>... NEVAH!
;-)))))
CuppedBear!
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In article <yT0X5.47440$nh5.3...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
Then I would not have showered(except in HS when required for swimming). I was
shy and we didn't have time only a very few scant minutes.
Now, 31, I don't care who sees me when I am at the gym. Naked and I shower.
Those younger seem to be shy about it and a lot don't even shower.