Transfer factor- Herpes Treatment?
Devericson
Has anyone heard of or tried Transfer Factor? A friend of mine is going to use
it to treat M.E. and she says its also used to treat HSV1 and HSV2, It sounds
expensive, but if it works!
Dev.
GUYonphone
(Devericson) writes:
Hey Dev
Well, the only people I can recall who've posted that TF really works are
people who sell the stuff. Seems suspicious to me. If it worked so well, why
wouldn't they (the sellers of the concoctions) get all their satisfied clients
to post the good word, you know? From what I've read, TF should help some, but
whether it ever helps anyone beyond the placebo effect, I can't tell you. And
30% of people, when informed they're taking a brand new, efficient drug will
tell the researchers that it definitely helped them--even when it's only a
sugar pill really (placebo). So, these things should be getting better than
this 30% improvement in order to be something worthwhile. And, they (the
manufacturers and sellers) should be quoting from all their independant, double
blind scientific testing that's been done to prove their statements. Usually,
it's just "testimonials" from Mr. J.G of California and Ms. A. P of Chicago
Ill, etc. Ever wonder who they are?
Not to discourage YOU from trying these things you're reading about. Heck, if
you've got extra cash laying around, and the stuff can't hurt you (and, how
will this be determined????), then try it. Let us know how it does for you.
Everyone who says they're gonna try stuff is urged to report back with the
results. I've always thought it odd that over the almost 5 years I've been
reading this NG, very rarely do we hear good reports back from people. I mean,
I KNOW people have tried this kinda stuff--they've posted here about wanting to
try it. So, where are they saying all the good things about the products?
Hang in there
-G
TBethEve
Save your money because that stuff does not work. It's one of those snake oil
type deals. Don't go there.
Beth :-)
Remember, only you hold the keys to your happiness. :-)
Devericson
and understood.
It is a pity there are so many "sales sites" taking advantage of people
desperate for a cure. I wont be trying Transfer Factor.
Thanks,
Dev.
John
Dear Dev,
I read your post about Transfer Factor and the consequent response
threads.
I seems to me that the responders dismissed the product without
personal experience,and did not express any information about the
product or how it works.
I think for balance you should hear from atleast ONE person who has
used the product.
I am amazed that more people aren't aware of Transfer Factor.(My guess
is because it is not a drug, and is considered a health food
supplement,and therefore not promoted by the Medical/Pharmaceutical
industry.) There have been thousands of medical studies done on it
since 1949 resulting in over
three thousand scientific papers documenting it's benefits.
Transfer Factors are a form of cytokines consisting of amino acid
residues called peptides that occur naturally in the body. They are
hormones produced
by immune system cells to communicate with other cells. Their function
is to enhance the interaction between the body's immune defenses and
antigens(viruses, bacteria,cancer cells etc). When the immune system
breaks down or is not functioning adequately, virus or bacteria, and
even cancer may develop. This is
when transfer factors can:
* Boost the killing power of immune system cells, such as T cells,
NK(Natural Killer) cells, and Macrophages(white blood cells);
* Make malignant and infected cells more recognizable , and
therefore more susceptible to destruction by the immune system;
* Enhance the body's ability to repair or replace damaged normal
cells,and produce red blood cells;
* Moderate or suppress an overactive immune system(stop immune system
from attacking the body [same-self cells]),
* Prevent malignant or infected cells from spreading to other parts
of the body.
In response to your inquiry about Transfer Factor. I have found it to
be most efficacious, with no noticeable side effects. I have used it
for about three years. During this period I have had only ONE
outbreak, which lasted only two days.(I even question this flare-up
because it may have been just a pimple, but it was in the groin area.)
This is a miracle compared to the two week outbreak every three months
or so I experienced before! I know that there is no cure for HSV, but
FEEL like I am herpes free!
I have read good reports about the successful use of Transfer Factor
in the treatment of Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, also known as Chronic
Fatique Immune Dysfunction Syndrome(CFIDS/ME). Don't let your friend
be discouraged. A natural product that will reestablish their
immunoregulatory system can only benefit him or her. I would be
interested in hearing about their progress.
I order my Transfer Factor from 4Life Research. It is not expensive.
4life sells their product exclusively thru distributors. The company
has established a policy which allows only those who use the product
to become distributors(this is so that the distributor will have
personal experience, and knowledge about the product, and guarantees
that those who endured an unfortunate health condition can share in
the profit of treating it- not only the company, or the trillion
dollar pharmaceutical corporations), nevertheless anyone who uses
Transfer Factor can be a distributor for free.
Yes, I became a distributor, however the purpose of this post is not
to sell Transfer Factor.(You seem to have made up your mind already
anyway.) I posted this
article for balance. I want to give some insight as to the truth about
what the product is, how it works, and my experience with it.
There is so much more to share but I will not post my URL here.(There
was some controversy about that before.)
If you want info about the thousands of medical studies done on
Transfer Factor
you can E mail me at:
Media...@Netscape.net
God Bless,
John
Tim Fitzmaurice
> I read your post about Transfer Factor and the consequent response
> threads.
> I seems to me that the responders dismissed the product without
> personal experience,and did not express any information about the
> product or how it works.
There has been discussion in the past about it. The dismissals were
possibly a bit to fast, but from those who have been round the story line
more than once. People talking about TF in the past here have often not
really known their subject particularly well, and most often have
presented the concept either as a miracle cure, a single homogenous system
rather than a spread of compounds or have been on an anti establishment
rant of some kind (and you did slide in that general direction, though
were relatively restrained on the issue)....
> I am amazed that more people aren't aware of Transfer Factor.(My guess
> is because it is not a drug, and is considered a health food
> supplement,and therefore not promoted by the Medical/Pharmaceutical
> industry.) There have been thousands of medical studies done on it
> since 1949 resulting in over
> three thousand scientific papers documenting it's benefits.
OK a number of points here.....first its not high profile because its
efficacy has been variable. Second despite the long listing of time you
mention the field its placed within has been through so many vast
upheavals in understanding its very very difficult to see how a pre T/B
cells model is going to be all that much use. Quoting lots of scientific
papers doesnt accurately describe the compounds since you do not discuss
the data...waving lots of papers dont help...people have been looking at
equine rhinotraceitis/abortion virus since before '49....they didnt even
get around to realising their cultures contained more than one virus till
they developed serological tests and they still dont have an effecive
vaccine despite any number of papers in any number of journals documenting
benefits from certain vaccine tests.....
Its not got any formal licensing because no one has put in for it. If its
actively messing around with your system the for heaven sake do it under
decent supervision (ie your doc having an idea what your up to)...thats
true even for simple food exclusion stuff for lactose intolerance where
there's no drugs of any kind involved....
Everything I read indicate its a source of interesting work, but still a
lot of work to do......
The jab at the medical industry rather belies the fact you say there's
lots of papers...and I always shudder when I see the dreaded health food
supplement line as I always wonder why someone wants to avoid regulators,
but thats my personal prejudices. If its good it'll get
promoted to a decent extent...dont try and tell me its not patentable
because it is...recombinant tech allows you to make a new TF for a
specific cause and bingo, one patent. I have to say looking through the
papers on the concept I can readily find medical people looking at the
stuff.
> Transfer Factors are a form of cytokines consisting of amino acid
> residues called peptides that occur naturally in the body. They are
> hormones produced
Major point.....TFs are generated to specific things, you never mention
that.
Side points amino acids residues make up peptides...which are a chain of
AAs of any length, you seem to have swapped the relationship in the way I
read your point. Hormone is rather pushing it as a description from the
technical view......
The line from MArtindale's is, and I quote 'Transfer Factor can passively
trasnfer cell mediated immunity fron a sensitised donor to a non
sensitised recipient'. Now thats hardly a text which isnt part of the
medical/pharm industry...might I therefore suggest that the reason not
many people have heard of it is actualyl due tot he fact that people are
a) still exploring the stuff, b) it doesnt always do what you want..ie
limitations of the compounds themselves.
> I have read good reports about the successful use of Transfer Factor
> in the treatment of Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, also known as Chronic
> Fatique Immune Dysfunction Syndrome(CFIDS/ME). Don't let your friend
> be discouraged. A natural product that will reestablish their
> immunoregulatory system can only benefit him or her. I would be
> interested in hearing about their progress.
Why only a natural product....TF doesnt have to be natural, you can bang
out TFs from recombinant tech these days. Natural sources are just a good
place to go identify them. Surely any product that re-establishs the
system should be considered beneficial.
On the ME point there is a paper from 1991 quoted in MArtindale which is
supposed to go into some details on the issue. The reference is
McBride and McCluskey, Treatment of chronic fatigue syndrome. In British
Medical Bulletin (1991) Volume 47, pages 895-907
On to other specific issues that i can pull up....again Martindale's list
a number of reviews....most relatively old but MArtindale's does tend to
keep up...
Gibson J et al, Clinical Use of Transfer Factor: 25 years on. In: Clinical
Immunology and Allergy (1983) volume 3 p331-357
Attallah et al, Biolgical response modifiers and their promise in clinical
medicine. In: Pharmacol. Ther. (1983) volume 19 p 435-54
Too HSV related stuff
A 1996 paper....
Pizza et al, In vitro studies during long term oral administration of
specific transfer factor. In: Biotherapy, Volume 9, p175-185
They looked at patients with recurrent disease here...including
HSV....they found a doubling of responders to their assays in those
treated with specific TF over those with no TF or non-specific TFs.
Sounds good but there's no relating that to biological recurrence beyond a
suggestion.
The BIotherapy jounral seems to be a popular place to publish this sort of
thing by the way....with a number of papers showing some basic clinical
studies of efficacy...again we are talking basic work here...
I can dig out a 1998 paper where they cmpared it with Acyclovir...though
they were looking at Varicella not HSV which might be worth checking out.
A 1985 paper by Viza et al really confirms this as a prophylactic not
immediate treatment...mentioning that bovine derived TFs take up to 3
months to get working....this is immunotherapy not antiviral drug
therapy.That theme really runs through most work of this kind so you
really want to line it up with vaccination as the most viable
alternative..and you can get the same with one vacc course of some of the
experimentals I have to say....
I cant really find much on toxicity/adverse effects and none fo the
studies Ive looked into really mention it....suggesting its not really
been looked at....though with vaccination the similar therapy its
difficult to decide what is bad and what is good to look at there.
Overall this seems to be an idea with some leg room to run in. But its
basically a passive vaccination with allthe problems and success stories
and failures of the whole experimental vaccine for HSV route....and long
term thinking....its seemingly passive immunotherapy...not active.
If you want to go digging in the scientific literature then go to pubmed
Its a citation database abd plug a few keyowrds to see what is going on in
the field for yourself.
> There is so much more to share but I will not post my URL here.(There
> was some controversy about that before.)
Well this post was a lot better than you previous one as it wnet into some
sensible details, and was open about your affiliation.
Tim
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shiny sneakers
If you are interested in natural therapies I'd go see N.D.
(Naturopathic Doctor) if I were you. They have 4 years (or more) of
University level training. I don't know where you are located but in
Canada N.D.'s are covered 100% by my health plan at work for up to
$350 per year (some health plans cover more than this, some less or
none). When you go take the web sites, product names, and product
ingredients of any alternative treatment you are interested in. They
can let you know whether or not they have heard of the product, their
knowledge of it, if the ingredients in the product are indeed
beneficial for your symptoms, if there are any clashes with the
ingredients in the product, etc. An N.D. usually spends a minimum of
1.5 hours with you at your first appointment getting your health
history, your specific concerns, and finding out a lot of useful
information about you to help them come up with a natural treatment
plan for you. At first they will usually address diet, and basic
vitamin deficiencies, etc. and suggest natural therapies for you. They
could probably help you decide if the product mentioned in this thread
will be beneficial to you (everyone is different), and whether or not
it is *snake oil*. Oh, if you have had any blood work done by your
M.D. for things like ferratin stores, B-12, thyroid, etc. take a copy
of these along to your N.D., this can help them. This way you don't
keep trying random products to find something that works. If you
decide to go, please post back with the results you have.
<disclaimer>
I am in no way affiliated with any of the N.D.'s in the world, nor am
I an N.D.. I have no financial ties to any of the N.D.'s in the world
and do not run a web site about N.D.'s.
</disclaimer> :-D
windy
some researcher is looking at this thread.
One possible use for TF would be to treat women who contract herpes during
pregnancy. This would provide passive immunity to both mother and child,
and the effect would start immediately upon treatment, unlike a vaccination.
OK, I'm done.
Take care,
windy
John
Thank you for your rational response to my post. You are right about a
lot of things. For one, there are many questions that I did not
answer, and many questions remaining to be answered about Transfer
factors. I must establish that I do not detest the medical
establishment. Medical technicians have done great things.
I am dissappointed with the medical industry in the U.S. because of
it's past and present tendency towards treatment of symtoms rather
than root causes of disease, it's disregard for nutrition as a
fundamental health factor, and it's corruption by the insurance
corporations motivation for profit- leaving over forty million with no
medical insurance.(my opinion, enough said ) Let's answer some of your
inquires.
In 1949 Dr. H. Sherwood Lawrence discovered that an immune response
could be transferred from a donor to recipient by injecting an extract
of leukocytes. Lawrence called this substance Transfer Factor. It was
later discovered that transfer factors were abundant in colostrum
(mammalian mother's first milk.)
This is nature's way of transferring immunity information from mother
to infant.
These transfer factors are the SAME in all mammals.They are not
species-specific
Transfer factors extracted from cow colostrum can be used for human
consumption.
They do not have to be injected but can be taken orally, as the
colostrum was meant to be ingested.
In 1989 researchers patented a process for extracting and
concentrating tranfer factors from cow colostrum(US Patent 4,816,563).
This is the genesis of the product that I am using now. It can have a
specific or non-specific expression, depending on the pathogenic
exposure and immunity developed by the donor.
Here are examples of results from herpes-specific studies:
A 1996 study showed that "in a group of thirty-seven patients, 62
percent showed marked improvement by either a decrease of frequency of
recurrence and/or a shortening of duration. To put this in
perspective, this group was suffering an average of twelve herpes
relapes per year. After 'herpes-specific' Transfer -factor therapy;
however the number of relapes decreased to[an average of]3.5 per year"
Reference....Effect of anti-herpes specific Transfer Factor. Byston
J., Cech K, Pekarek J., Jikova., Biotherapy 1996, 9(1-3), 73-5.
In another study, twenty-two patients suffering from genital herpes
and twenty-two suffering from labial herpes were orally treated with
bovine transfer factor. Their symptom free time increased from [an
average of]49 days before treatment to 140 days[average]after
treatment.
*Orally administered HVS-specific Transfer Factor(TF) prevents genital
or labial herpes relapses. Pizza G, Viza D, De Vinci C, Palareti A
Cuzzocrea D, Fornarola V, Baricordi R. Biotherapy 1996, 9(1-3),67-72
Personally I got better results from non-specific Transfer Factor
Plus. TF+ contains transfer factors, plus a combination of "health
food supplements"- Thymic Proteins, IP-6, Cordyceps, Maitake and
Shiitake Mushrooms, Beta Glucans and Aloe.(This combo was proven to
increase NK cell activity by 248% above normal immune response)
Thank you for the pubmed URL.
I've only just begun to dig into that bag of cookies!
God Bless,
John
Tim Fitzmaurice
> In 1949 Dr. H. Sherwood Lawrence discovered that an immune response
> could be transferred from a donor to recipient by injecting an extract
> of leukocytes. Lawrence called this substance Transfer Factor. It was
> later discovered that transfer factors were abundant in colostrum
> (mammalian mother's first milk.)
> This is nature's way of transferring immunity information from mother
> to infant.
Yes, but as its a 1949 paper we're looking at a paper looking at immunity
transfer not the substance we know today as transfer factor as
the terminology has been refined like crazy since that simple
crude extract....there are a whole host of other substances in there that
will be invovled in the immune system extracted from
leukocytes...including the interleukin series of molecules....there own
surface antibody etc etc....move to colostrum and you add in maternal
antibody as well (a further passive immunisation).
This sort of thing is IMO a classic reason why you have to be VERY VERY
careful with citing old papers, they may not be talking about the same
thing although obviously certain concepts may be tranferable....
> These transfer factors are the SAME in all mammals.They are not
> species-specific
Hmm, if thats a reply to my use of the word specific then you've
misunderstood...when I said specific I was talking about the target, not
the host species it came from (and given I cited papers using bovine the
cross species). Any given peptide chain can be remarkably specific as to
the response it kicks off.
> Here are examples of results from herpes-specific studies:
Yup they were the ones I quoted IIRC, certainly your first one was...
> Personally I got better results from non-specific Transfer Factor
> Plus. TF+ contains transfer factors, plus a combination of "health
> food supplements"- Thymic Proteins, IP-6, Cordyceps, Maitake and
> Shiitake Mushrooms, Beta Glucans and Aloe.(This combo was proven to
> increase NK cell activity by 248% above normal immune response)
Then I'd be careful about making the claims for the non-specific TF....as
soon as you mix in other compounds and still gain activity from
non-specifics (which have a whole body of evidence for their use as
controls in this field) then I'd say you aint getting TF activity its the
other stuff...thymus extract could contain all sorts, I've seen sme basic
work with aloe too just from memory......I could run a literature search
for cites on the others.
> Thank you for the pubmed URL.
No problem.
Dr. Bob Bonebrake
in passive immunity is on the rise. Thank you both for your
discussion. We seek to understand that which we see with our eyes.
Dr. Bob Bonebrake
http://www.naturally-immune.com
GUYonphone
<doc...@naturally-immune.com> writes:
>Dr. Bob Bonebrake
Interesting name for a chiropractor. Almost as interesting as the tennis
player currently on the pro circuit with the name Anna Smashnova. Heck, yours
is even MORE interesting! ::grin::
Hang in there
-G
M.L.S.
>>Dr. Bob Bonebrake
Heh heh. Well, I just went to my chiropracter today, and he's got a
good name too, if not quite so scary.
Dr S.K. Sidebottom.
He's a heck of a nice guy and always fixes me right up. Snap crackle
pop and the buzz of the stimulating electrodes. $25.
In case you're wondering, I chainsawed a tree down in my back yard two
days ago, and that went swell, but then I did something wrong carrying
the logs to the garage yesterday and my back went kazango! Ouch.
Happens about once a year, usually after a lazy winter. I've gotta
get one of those back-support belts for the heavy lifting.
Bonebrake is a good name, too. A little scary, but not one to be
easily forgotten.
Take care,
Mike
Dr. Bob Bonebrake
Mike,
Sounds like you strained your back carrying that wood. That's what
neighborhood kids are for! You mentioned that you thought my name was
scary. It is scary, but it' just a name. My patients have a great
sense of humor and we all make fun of it. Besides, the harassment I
get these days is nothing compared to the abject horror associated
with the hideous nicknames I endured as a youth!
You'd better go check with Dr. Sidebottom to make sure your bottom is
right side up, and call the kids next time!
Dr. Bob
http://www.drbob4prevention.com
M.L.S.
<doc...@naturally-immune.com> posted:
>Mike,
>Sounds like you strained your back carrying that wood. That's what
>neighborhood kids are for!
But I must keep active. The thing is I tend to do nothing arduous in
the winter, and then when Spring hits, as it most certainly did this
week, I really go at it. I just shouldn't have gone at it two days in
a row the way I did. My back was still tightening up from the day
before and I over-extended. Feeling much better today, though the few
logs are still lying in the yard. They can lie there a few more days.
>You mentioned that you thought my name was
>scary. It is scary, but it' just a name. My patients have a great
>sense of humor and we all make fun of it. Besides, the harassment I
>get these days is nothing compared to the abject horror associated
>with the hideous nicknames I endured as a youth!
I can imagine what school must have been like, but I hope you didn't
think I was piling on. I've long gotten past the notion that a name
equals the object to which it's applied. Except for Guyonphone, of
course.
>You'd better go check with Dr. Sidebottom to make sure your bottom is
>right side up, and call the kids next time!
Kim (Sidebottom) and Alice have been keeping me straight for 16 years
now. I told them yesterday I hope they are there for ever.
I do use others to do all the work that involves climbing on the roof
or using chainsaws up on ladders, but I refuse to concede the
groundwork. I do need to establish a winter-time routine of back
strengthening exercises, though.
Take care,
Mike
M.L.S.
posted:
>But I must keep active. The thing is I tend to do nothing arduous in
>the winter, and then when Spring hits, as it most certainly did this
>week, I really go at it.
ps. While I was convalescing yesterday and today I made a web page of
my fun with the tree. I even plowed through the archives and found a
picture of the Previous tree in the same spot taken by the previous
owner and left in the house for me to find.
http://www.frognet.net/~msoja9/theman/projects/projects.html
Mike
heepn...@gmail.com
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