Tracy - got a question
Victor - www.3DMan.com
similar herb reference? The closest i found was the Chinese herb called
Hu Tao Ren which is a variety of walnut. But we use the semen and not
the shell. In my notes, walnuts are used for disolving kidney stones.
And to a lessor extent for dermatitis and eczema (in paste form). Since
it affects the lung, kidney and large intestine meridians I wonder how
exactly it helps in Herpes cases. Indirectly, I would think.
What say you?
Victor
p.s. I am still around folks.
David Jester
The part of the English Black Walnut, (Juglans Nigra), used is the hull
of the nut, not the shell itself. Also the inner bark of the root. It is
described in the United States Dispensory. I learned about it from a
naturopath, and I know that it works from personal use. If you wish I will
try to post the information from The Dispensory about it for you. I have
found reference to Juglans Regia (Hu-t'ao)(Hei-t'ao) (Ch'iang-t'ao), in a
book called Chinese Medicina Herbs, published by Georgetown Press, SF.
page 223. It is stated to be used as increasing blackness of the hair,
strengthing and lubricating the muscles. It is considered to be diruetic,
antilithic, and a stimulant to the kidneys and lungs. It is recommended in
heartburn, colic, dysentery, and intestinal intoxications. It states that
the oil of walnut seeds is used as an
anthelmintic and as an application to several types of skin diseases,
including eczema, chancre, and favus, and is applied to the hair as a
pomade. The pericarp seems to furnish an oily juice, which is used as a
hair and whisker dye. The bark of the tree and root, as well as the hard
shell of the nuts, are used as astringent remedies.
It is referenced in the 23rd Edition of The Dispensatory Of The United
States Of America, (c.1943 J.B. Lippincott Company), on page 1411, as
Juglans. It is to much information to retype, so I will attempt to scan
it and post it here as a separate entry.
May this knowledge be used to heal those who are in denial of this God
given herb, and give life, health
and prosperity to those who believe.
Your friend,
David Jester
Victor - www.3DMan.com
doctor or TCM doctor?. So, from a TCM POV what do you feel it does to help with
Herpes? I think it is interesting that it does warm the lungs (decending wet
aspects) and helps the Kidneys to use Qi efficiently.
I have easy access to Hu Tao Ren (Northern China), but wonder if it contains
the same properties. Do you know? I'd like to experiement with the Chinese
variety.
I think more people need to become educated in alternative remedies to chronic
diseases and this is a good discussion.
Victor
Landotlc
Hey Victor-
David has much more info on this than I have. The book I mentioned before,
Prescription for Nutritional Healing, says black walnut is good for herpes. It
says to apply the extract to the affected area. I haven't tried it myself. I
don't know how this relates to the chinese herb, though. Have you heard of the
company, Health Concerns? They have a couple of formulas that they recommend
for herpes. One for when you first have the idea you might be having an ob,
and another for when you actually have one. I prefer this company because I
wonder about the pesticides and extra ingredients that might be in the chinese
brands. I don't know tons about herbs, however.
What happened with your not-herpes diagnosis? Did it pan out? I hope so, but
it is good to have you here again, herpezoid or not.
Take Care,
Tracy
David Jester
Thank you for your compliment about my knowledgeability. I am not a doctor,
however alternative medicines and therapys, as well as how the body functions,
have been a major interest of mine for 30 years. I have several doctors in my
family and have had the good fortune to be able to build a large reference library
of over 2,000 books. I have studied the release of knowedge to the general public,
starting from the mid 1800's, and encompassing all of the sciences. I am educated
as an electrical engineer, but have only had practical experience in broadcast
engineering for television. I own a production company that I started over 20
years ago, and part of the main focus of my productions has been on alternative
healing programs, which has brought me a great awareness of many diverse herbs,
food supplements, devices, and therapies. This includes the bioelectrical fields
of the body. I am currently working on a 13 part series that covers the main
dis-eases that are afflicting the common man, and the natural cures for each of
them. I feel it is my lifes mission to bring education to every person who has an
interest in how to heal themselves. I have set my own broken bones, filed down my
own chipped teeth, (pulled a bad one), and basically been responsible for keeping
myself in good health. I do not believe that the AMA and their synthetic drugs are
not the answer to most of the dis-ease that riddles our society. If they healed
everybody, they would be out of business. There is too much money in relieving
symptoms, instead of curing the root cause of the dis-eases. I believe that for
every malady, there is to be found a "cure" within nature, and that our body's have
the power to heal ourselves, if we just give them the chance. But as you can tell
from the response from this group, most people would prefer to live with their
dis-ease, than change their lifestyle that weakened their body enough for the
disease to take a hold. I fully intend to live to be over 100 years old, and still
be able to go surfing, skiing, make love, and dance. etc...
I have been self employed since I was 19. If you wish to check out my website, it
is http://www.pro-video.net/main.htm I have intended to release the knowledge of
the ability of Black Walnut to put herpes into remission for over a year, but I
have not had the time until this week. I am surprised that no one else on the web
seems to be aware of it, but I guess it is a little known fact that I was fortunate
enough to learn about in 1978. I am thankful to have lived a symptom free life for
the last 20 years. I hope that this knowledge helps at least some of the people
here to be able to have the same results.
If anyone is curious about my personal information, I am 6', 190 lbs, a full
head of blondish brown hair, with a touch of gray in my sideburns, bright blue
eyes, 50 years old, 100% honest, and totally happy with my life. My business is an
overgrown hobby, and I do exactly what I want to do, and have for my entire life.
98% stress free. I have been gifted with many dear friends who share the same
common bond of Love for our fellow man. We have plans to build small communitys
based around a common organic garden, where we can live in harmony. We have
designed dome homes built by inflating a hemispherical balloon about 50' in
diameter, and spraying it with foam, and ferro cement. It is then possible to
deflate the balloon, move it, blow it up, and repeat the process. We are currently
working with different materials, to determine the maximum strength. We have
developed 12 volt systems that are solar/wind powered, and currently are able to
produce 40 watts with a 7 mph wind.
Also I am a songwriter/poet, and I play the keyboards. I will include a sample
of my poetry.
Life is a Painting
Each soul is given a canvas,
The picture we paint, is up to us,
We all begin with empty blank space,
We start to sketch, form in place,
Dreams are what will build the image,
Creative freedom is our privilege,
Friends who care, and treat you kind,
Become reflections, from your mind
Emotions come in all the colors,
Bad ones make the image duller,
Soft brushstrokes touching lightly,
Good feelings glowing brightly,
Watercolor tears, yield subtle smears,
Blend all the edges and disappears.
Each new love will add some flair,
More wild & vibrant, the more you care
Intelligence draws in character lines,
Some bold, strong, some delicate, fine
Time goes by, changing points of view,
The colors of light are changing hue,
Can you see, these words are true?
This beautiful painting, is of YOU !
c.1998 David Jack Jester
This has turned out to be much longer and more detailed than I had intended to
get. Perhaps there may be some people in here who are possible teammates of our
common goal, to heal the planet, one person at a time, in their mind, body, and
spirit. In this way, perhaps we can save the planet from inevitable self
destruction.
Yours in brotherly love,
David
Dayzee911
>every malady, there is to be found a "cure" within nature, and that our
>body's have
>the power to heal ourselves, if we just give them the chance. But as you can
>tell
>from the response from this group, most people would prefer to live with
>their
>dis-ease, than change their lifestyle that weakened their body enough for the
>disease to take a hold.
David,
I found your posts interesting until you started pounding people who don't
believe exactly as you do. Lighten up please. If people chose to change their
lifestyles it will be of their own will and their own choice, not from you
shoving the need down their throats.
Please try to limit your posts to information. Let the readers decide,
judgement-free, what they want to do with that information.
Mindy in Colorado
David Jester
I am not pounding on people in here who don't believe as I do. You can pick me
apart if you want to, and flame me to your hearts content. I am stating the facts
as I see them. I am sorry if you are sensitive about this, and feel that I am being
overbearing. I am not trying to be negative, judgemental, or condescending in any
way. It is true that most people do not want to change anything about the way they
live their lives, and I am not here to criticize anybody for their lifestyle. It
is like the Valtrex commercials on TV. They are advertising this product based on
the fact that it is easier to take a couple of pills a couple of times, rather than
the other treatments which require more attention to schedule, and more pills.
This is an advertising ploy intended to attract the lazier people out their who
want the easier method of suppression. Who knows which is really the better
product? But that is not the "point of sale" that they are offering. Only who is
the laziest. I am not , (nor have I) put down any other treatments that people
give advice to take in here. That is not my place to do so, in spite of the fact
that I believe that the body's own natural defenses are the best way to defeat this
plauge. That is only my opinion, and you may have respect for it , or flame me for
it. I am just trying to do my best to communicate with the folks in here, and
allow them to consider my advice or not. It is their choice. I have not critiqued
any advice that you have given anyone. or any statements you have made. And after
all, I believe that this is America, and there is something in the Constitution
about "free speech". Besides, who is really trying to limit the information as to
what is said in here? Really, me? or you? You are telling me what to say or not
say. I have not asked you to curb your remarks to me? have I, even though I think
you are the one who is pounding on me.
I do realize that I got a little long winded about my response to Victor's
question about my education, and perhaps that much info about me should have been
placed in the "personals" ng, since it is not related to specific information
regarding the "support" of being infected with HSV. Actually, I thought I would
get flamed for that. rather than have someone get sensitive, because I said most
people do not want to change their ways. Maybe that flame is yet to come, but I
didn't realize I had got so carried away with describing myself until after I had
sent that message. So in advance, I will apologize to anyone in here who thinks
that much bio should be for the "personals" only. I can tell when I'm not wanted,
so perhaps I should take my advice elsewhere. Would you all like to take a vote, to
ask me to abandon this ng? I will disappear very easily. I have tried to be your
friend, honest.
David
Dayzee911 wrote:
> >. I believe that for
> >every malady, there is to be found a "cure" within nature, and that our
> >body's have
> >the power to heal ourselves, if we just give them the chance. But as you can
> >tell
> >from the response from this group, most people would prefer to live with
> >their
> >dis-ease, than change their lifestyle that weakened their body enough for the
> >disease to take a hold.
>
april r deFord
antagonizing people, and then denying having done so, and then portraying
yourself as the victim? Whatever it is, it's getting old.
April
> > >. I believe that for
> > >every malady, there is to be found a "cure" within nature, and that our
> > >body's have
> > >the power to heal ourselves, if we just give them the chance. But as you can
> > >tell
> > >from the response from this group, most people would prefer to live with
> > >their
> > >dis-ease, than change their lifestyle that weakened their body enough for the
> > >disease to take a hold.
> >
GUYonphone
In article <36A00A38...@spiritone.com>, David Jester
<prov...@spiritone.com> writes:
<snip>
>It
>is like the Valtrex commercials on TV. They are advertising this product
>based on
>the fact that it is easier to take a couple of pills a couple of times,
>rather than
>the other treatments which require more attention to schedule, and more
>pills.
>This is an advertising ploy intended to attract the lazier people out their
>who
>want the easier method of suppression. Who knows which is really the better
>product? But that is not the "point of sale" that they are offering. Only
>who is
>the laziest. I am not , (nor have I) put down any other treatments that
people
>give advice to take in here.
<snip>
I simply MUST step in here. The Valtrex commercials are directed at the
millions of people out there that have uncomfortable outbreaks and seek
relief... people with a hope that they can lead fairly normal lives...which, in
some instances, may even include making mad, passionate love to someone who may
not be infected with the virus and can remain uninfected due to the suppression
of known and asymptomatic shedding...something that NO "black walnut" treatment
plan can claim. Lazy? LAZY??? What a pompus, egotistical remark THAT is!!!
Many people, and I'm one, feel the antiviral meds that the pharmacist can now
provide are gifts from God also--after all, he is The Maker Of All Things, yes
or yes? People, having tried many of the "home remedies" that have existed
almost as long as the virus itself, are STILL seeking relief. Don't forget,
that until 15-20 years ago, that's all there was--the "natural" methods!
At least the prescription meds have been tested through scientifically
measurable testing methods and have *proven* positive results throughout a wide
range of the general puplic...not just one dude whose outbreaks have gotten
fewer and further between as the years go by and then credits it to some
technique of dyeing the infected cells so the immune system can 'see' them and
attack them. It's kinda like my lady, who's never had a known outbreak, saying
it must be because she always has a glass of wine with dinner--and the funny
thing is, those people who are part of the 2/3rds of the people with herpes who
aren't having outbreaks and who also have a glass of wine with dinner can even
agree with her. I mean, they aren't having outbreaks either, so it must be the
wine, right?
Jeeezzzzz. You say you don't "put down" other people's treatment plan but then
you call everyone who'd consider using Valtrex in order to treat their virus
"the laziest"????
You've insulted all the people here that feel they need prescripion antiviral
suppression to live a normal life. I've never seen "the finger" given over a
NG before, but here...
Sit on this, champ! -!--
-G
april r deFord
posts are so long and repetitive that I tend to tune them out after
acertain point (you really love to hear yourself talk, don't you?)- but
since Guy pointed it out, I got just as mad as he did.
On 16 Jan 1999, David Jester wrote:
> Hi Mindy,
> I am not pounding on people in here who don't believe as I do. You can pick me
> overbearing. I am not trying to be negative, judgemental, or condescending in any
> way.
Could've fooled me. Seems to me you've been doing that from day one- and
at the greatest possible length.
It is true that most people do not want to change anything about the way they
> live their lives,
You don't recognize that as the height of condescention? People at this ng
exert heroic effort every day to change thier lives on a scale
unimaginable to you. Maybe you need to *listen* for awhile instead of
mercilessly droning on.
and I am not here to criticize anybody for their lifestyle.
It
> is like the Valtrex commercials on TV. They are advertising this product based on
> the fact that it is easier to take a couple of pills a couple of times, rather than
> the other treatments which require more attention to schedule, and more pills.
> This is an advertising ploy intended to attract the lazier people out their who
> want the easier method of suppression.
And here is where I totally agree with everything Guy said, and will add
this: I switched from zovirax to Valtrex, not because of "laziness" (you
miserable cretin!!!!) but because I heard it might be more effective for
me. I knew that it might not, but my decision to try it was not based in
any way on being, like, you know, duh, too dumb to remember, like, taking
aaaallll those pills! In fact, I was taking Zovirax with the same
frequency as Valtrex. It's true that the commercail touts this as a
strong-point, and so do drs- because (you ninny!!!) it's *stronger* and
therefore doesn't have to be taken as often!!! And btw, it *did* work a
*lot* better for me than Zovirax. What do you think people with herpes
are, a bunch of sniveling dillitantes who want to try the latest fad???
Some phw are really sick from it, and are seeking relief- and some of us
prefer to find relief that has been clinically tested and has a
track-reccord! Furthermore, if you had actually read this ng at all, you
would be aware that many of us, me included, are happy to recommend
supplementary medicine (you obviously missed the many times I touted
accupcunture- or maybe you wanted to miss it, since accupuncture certainly
is not for the lazy, and knowing I use it would interfere with your image
of me as "lazy"). You've obviously missed all the vitamin suppliments and
extracts I harp on, not to mention the thread about ginko- yeah, we're a
real lazy bunch.
Who knows which is really the better
> product?
Well, there's empirical evidence. Ever heard of that? I mean, I'm all for
anecdotal evidence; it's the mainstay of my approach to my herpes- but
when a drug works so well for so many people, it's pretty hard to miss.
But that is not the "point of sale" that they are offering. Only who is
> the laziest.
People in this ng know me well enough to forgive me for falling back on my
favorite respomse to such twaddle: bite me! Hey, you know what? Famvir is
even more effective, and I switched to that two months ago. Guess that
makes me *terminally* lazy. Meanwhile, I've never been so symptom-free in
the 20 years I've had the H bomb.
I am not , (nor have I) put down any other treatments that people
> give advice to take in here.
*Excuse me*??? Weren't we all lazy, a minute ago, for foolishly relying on
Valtrex?
That is not my place to do so, in spite of the fact
> that I believe that the body's own natural defenses are the best way to defeat this
> plauge.
Yeah, there's a lot of truth to that. But even my homeopath advocates
antibiotics for a strep throat. Next time you have one, thank God for
tetracycline.
That is only my opinion, and you may have respect for it , or flame me for
> it. I am just trying to do my best to communicate with the folks in here, and
> allow them to consider my advice or not.
If this is your best, it needs work.
It is their choice. I have not critiqued
> any advice that you have given anyone. or any statements you have made. And after
> all, I believe that this is America, and there is something in the Constitution
> about "free speech".
Yeah there is. I really like that. But if you're genuinely trying to make
a point, you're not doing too well.
Besides, who is really trying to limit the information as to
> what is said in here? Really, me? or you? You are telling me what to say or not
> say. I have not asked you to curb your remarks to me? have I, even though I think
> you are the one who is pounding on me.
> I do realize that I got a little long winded about my response to Victor's
> question about my education, and perhaps that much info about me should have been
> placed in the "personals" ng, since it is not related to specific information
> regarding the "support" of being infected with HSV. Actually, I thought I would
> get flamed for that.
If you really thought that, why did you post it?
rather than have someone get sensitive, because I said most
> people do not want to change their ways.
I'd call Mindy astute rather than sensitive, at least in the pajoritive
way you mean it. And the truth is, most people don't want to embrace
*your* ways- but are perfectly willing to change for the better.
Maybe that flame is yet to come, but I
> didn't realize I had got so carried away with describing myself until after I had
> sent that message. So in advance, I will apologize to anyone in here who thinks
> that much bio should be for the "personals" only. I can tell when I'm not wanted,
> so perhaps I should take my advice elsewhere. Would you all like to take a vote, to
> ask me to abandon this ng? I will disappear very easily. I have tried to be your
> friend, honest.
Ah, here's the whiney routine. As I said before, the attack-deny-whine
game you play is really tiresome. First you insult people, forcing them to
express anger towards you, and then you do the old "I know when I'm not
wanted" guilt trip. Speaking strictly for myself, David, I can't be flloed
by this dance; you see, I'm Jewish, and I've had my shots. Guilt doesn't
work on me if it's manufactured. I don't think you should leave, but I do
think you should read more and say less. Not say *nothing* but find out
what others are saying here. We're not lazy or entrenched or mindlessly
mean. You need to learn that- in fact, you obviously have a *lot* to
learn.
April
> David
>
>
> Dayzee911 wrote:
>
> > >. I believe that for
> > >every malady, there is to be found a "cure" within nature, and that our
> > >body's have
> > >the power to heal ourselves, if we just give them the chance. But as you can
> > >tell
> > >from the response from this group, most people would prefer to live with
> > >their
> > >dis-ease, than change their lifestyle that weakened their body enough for the
> > >disease to take a hold.
> >
Dayzee911
>question about my education, and perhaps that much info about me should have
>been
>placed in the "personals" ng, since it is not related to specific information
>regarding the "support" of being infected with HSV.
David,
Personally, I'd rather read your credentials than be called lazy, or force-fed
the need to change my lifestyle to "cure" the herpes in me.
I'm not asking that you leave this NG, David. In fact, I believe you do have
some valuable information. However, I resolve to not read your posts if I have
to trudge through the sermon to get to the info.
> I have tried to be your
>friend, honest.
David, I'm not asking for your friendship, and don't patronize me and call me
lazy in the same post, please. I'm simply asking that you remain on the giving
end of information and ideas, not guilt-trips and name-calling.
Sincerely,
Mindy in Colorado
an...@ix.netcom.com
> It is referenced in the 23rd Edition of The Dispensatory Of The United
> States Of America, (c.1943 J.B. Lippincott Company), on page 1411, as
> Juglans. It is to much information to retype, so I will attempt to scan
> it and post it here as a separate entry.
> May this knowledge be used to heal those who are in denial of this God
> given herb, and give life, health
> and prosperity to those who believe.
> Your friend,
> David Jester
Yes, David, it would be helpful to get the text from the reference,
because the information from your post didn't really mention any
anti-viral or immune enhancing effects.
angele
an...@ix.netcom.com
> I think more people need to become educated in alternative remedies to chronic
> diseases and this is a good discussion.
Actually, alternative medicine is a hot topic in 'establishment
medicine' circles, too. The traditional Physician's Desk Reference
(PDR), a long standing source for drug information, has recently come
out with an herbal edition.
I'm not an expert on alternative medicine, but it would seem logical
that within it's own practice there are standards on which efficacy of
any given therapy is based. I'd imagine that even an herb would have to
pass some test of being effective in 5 out of 6, or 80 out of 100, or 2
out of 3, or some other measure before it would be accepted into
herblore. After all, the rules of scientific investigation are based on
logic. What would be the herbal counterpart to the traditional medical
journals?
angele
an...@ix.netcom.com
>
>
> You've insulted all the people here that feel they need prescripion antiviral
> suppression to live a normal life. I've never seen "the finger" given over a
> NG before, but here...
>
> Sit on this, champ! -!--
> -G
Guy.. I don't think I've ever seen this side of you, before, but I can't
think of a better time to show it!
As always, your support and insight is appreciated.
angele
Angel
Just wanted to let you know that I read and appreciated the poem you have
written. You are very talented...Really enjoyed it..
Yvonne
David Jester wrote in message <369EFB99...@spiritone.com>...
d'kiten
~* GUYonphone
~* Sit on this, champ! -!--
~* -G
Thank you guy, for setting the 'lazy' record straight.
But *really* thank you for the finger. I needed a good
giggle tonight.
^,,^
...who would give Jester the paw o0o...
David Jester
Since I am still getting the finger in here, I must make something
more clear. I did not call anyone lazy just because they take
supressants. I stated that the advertising agency producing the ads
were using that characteristric trait to sell their product Valtrex. I
in no way meant to imply that all users of the supressants were just
lazy because this was the easiest way to curb the symptoms. Indeed if
you read the following post, you will realize that I tried to point it
out that you had misunderstood me. As a producer of television
commercials I was making a comment related to marketing technique. So
Please do not take my statement so personally. It was not intended to
call you lazy. My apologys for not being more clear about this. As we
all know, we must do whatever we feel will help to surpress the OB's.
Good luck to you all in your chosen method of surpression. I wish you
all the best, and I hope your methods work well for you. Godspeed in
your recovery of your health and happiness,
I am a friend to this ng. Love your fellow man, it's healthier for
you.
David
d'kiten
~* Hello all regulars in here,
~* Since I am still getting the finger in here,
::tee-hee:: your still making my night guy.
~* I did not call anyone lazy just because they take suppressants.
~* I stated that the advertising agency producing the ads
~* were using that characteristic trait to sell their product Valtrex.
You said,
"This is an advertising ploy intended to attract the lazier people out
their who
" want the easier method of suppression. "
Which means if you take the easier method of suppression (as you put it)
and you heard about this on TV, or through other similar ads (I assume)
You have taken the lazy way out. If this isn't calling someone lazy,
well...
~* As a producer of television commercials I was making a comment
~* related to marketing technique.
That would be alt.bs.marketing.tech you must have posted to the wrong ng
We aren't talking commercials here. We are here to help one another. From
all the times I have seen your name plastered under my from list you cause
only
controversy. And I can't killfile your ass no matter how hard I try. You
keep popping
up like a wedding night outbreak.
~* Good luck to you all in your chosen method of suppression. I wish you
~* all the best, and I hope your methods work well for you. Godspeed in
~* your recovery of your health and happiness, I am a friend to this ng
Then prove this, welcome positive feed back and don't shove things
down peoples throats. And on the off beat, quit writing such long
responses.
I have other shit to do.
^,,^ meow meow
d'kiten
...and please don't start with the off beat thing...
David Jester
David Jester
I only came into the ng to tell people about what has really worked for me,
in the hopes that it may work for other people too. You want to hate me for
that? I'm not a jerk. I may not have used much tact in my statement, and I
wish I could take it back. OK? I was wrong to even say anything, that could
be misconstrued to suggest anyone was lazy for taking Valtrex or other
suppressants. I know we are all doing the best we can. Will you forgive me for
my foopaw? I will try to be more considerate when speaking of the meds that
work for you, Guy, April, and the others.
I truly believe that Black Walnut may help a lot of people in the ng.
Including you.
About being long-winded, I guess that is just my style because I care a lot
about the people in here who are suffering with HSV.
David Jester