Hearing Loss and Sound Therapy
HHIssues
Sound Therapy helps in three ways.
1. Exercising the muscles. The middle ear contains two tiny muscles, the tensor
tympani and the stapedius. Good muscle tone and flexibility is essential for
the fine tuning of the middle ear mechanism if it is to accurately conduct
sound to the inner ear. The recording process used to make Sound Therapy tapes
divides the music between two channels, causing the ear muscles to repeatedly
tense and relax. This exercise restores the muscle tone and improves the
functioning of the whole ear mechanism.
2. Stimulating the cilia. On the Sound Therapy tapes the low frequency (low
tone) sounds are progressively removed and the high frequencies are augumented.
Although quiet, the high frequency sounds are raised in pitch until the only
sounds heard are between 8,000 Hz and 16,000 Hz. These high frequency sounds
stimulate the cilia (the fine, hair - like sensory cells in the inner ear).
Where the cilia have been flattened by too much noise the high frequency sound
stimulates them to return to their upright position. This restores the person's
hearing in high frequencies.
3. Psychological opening. Hearing is sometimes closed down to some extent for
psychological reasons. Sound Therapy encourages resolution of psychological
issues by re-introducing high frequency sound and re-creating the pre-birth
experience of sound. As the psychological issues are resolved, the person can
allow themselves to open to the full range of hearing.
Grindo23
>From: hhis...@aol.com (HHIssues)
>Date: 7/7/00 9:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20000707090552...@ng-fg1.aol.com>
HH:
Where do you come up with this shit? It is akin to saying the earth is flat.
Grindo
John Fuller
the > after HH wrote the snipped >>
>>How Does Sound Therapy Help?
>>Sound Therapy helps in three ways.
>>1. Exercising the muscles. The middle ear contains two tiny muscles, the
>>2. Stimulating the cilia. On the Sound Therapy tapes the low frequency (low
>>3. Psychological opening. Hearing is sometimes closed down to some extent for
>HH:
>
>Where do you come up with this shit? It is akin to saying the
earth is flat.
>
>Grindo
>
And Britain has 8 million people! :-)
-John Fuller, HOH
--
"Too bad that all the people who know how to run this
country are busy driving taxis and cutting hair (and fitting hearing
aids)."
--George Burns (with an assist from moi)
Don
This reminds me of an issue that I faced about 15 years ago when I belonged
to a certain religious group. It wasn't a church, but an organization made
up of many different denominations.
Two of the ladies heard that I was hearing impaired and they thought and
believed in the power of healing. They mailed to me about a dozen cassette
tapes and explained how I might be healed if listened to the tapes and
believed in healing powers.
Well, when I got the cassette tapes, I put one in my tape player
enthusiastically and turned it on. What I heard sounded like a country
preacher who was not the least bit articulate and I couldn't understand a
word he said. (And these ladies thought the tapes were wonderful)!!!
Well, anyhow, it reminds me of these Sound Therapy recordings. Maybe if I'd
put those old tapes back in the cassette player and listen again to
something that I can't understand, I would get some kind of benefit or
miracle healing. Well, :( I think not.
I'd love to give the sound therapy a try, but I don't have $265 to spend on
something that I can't hear. My hearing in the lower frequencies is not too
bad. I hear lots and lots of noises which are extremely LOUD with hearing
aids, so much that sometimes I jump out of my seat when someone slams down a
book or drops an object on the floor. I saw an ad once where a company
makes music recordings for people who have high frequency hearing loss. I'd
be interested in buying some of those recordings if I ever see the
advertisement again.
HHIssues <hhis...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> How Does Sound Therapy Help?
>
> Sound Therapy helps in three ways.
>
> 1. Exercising the muscles. The middle ear contains two tiny muscles, the
tensor
> tympani and the stapedius. Good muscle tone and flexibility is essential
for
> the fine tuning of the middle ear mechanism if it is to accurately conduct
> sound to the inner ear. The recording process used to make Sound Therapy
tapes
> divides the music between two channels, causing the ear muscles to
repeatedly
> tense and relax. This exercise restores the muscle tone and improves the
> functioning of the whole ear mechanism.
>
> 2. Stimulating the cilia. On the Sound Therapy tapes the low frequency
(low
> tone) sounds are progressively removed and the high frequencies are
augumented.
> Although quiet, the high frequency sounds are raised in pitch until the
only
> sounds heard are between 8,000 Hz and 16,000 Hz. These high frequency
sounds
> stimulate the cilia (the fine, hair - like sensory cells in the inner
ear).
> Where the cilia have been flattened by too much noise the high frequency
sound
> stimulates them to return to their upright position. This restores the
person's
> hearing in high frequencies.
>
> 3. Psychological opening. Hearing is sometimes closed down to some extent
for
> psychological reasons. Sound Therapy encourages resolution of
psychological
> issues by re-introducing high frequency sound and re-creating the
pre-birth
> experience of sound. As the psychological issues are resolved, the person
can
> allow themselves to open to the full range of hearing.
>
> http://www.intouchmag.com/soundtherapy1.html
>
>
Grindo23
>From: "Don" DO...@prodigy.net
>Date: 7/8/00 12:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <8k6bfl$26o6$1...@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com>
>This reminds me of an issue that I faced about 15 years ago when I belonged
>to a certain religious group. It wasn't a church, but an organization made
>up of many different denominations.
>Two of the ladies heard that I was hearing impaired and they thought and
>believed in the power of healing. They mailed to me about a dozen cassette
>tapes and explained how I might be healed if listened to the tapes and
>believed in healing powers
>Well, when I got the cassette tapes, I put one in my tape player
>enthusiastically and turned it on. What I heard sounded like a country
>preacher who was not the least bit articulate and I couldn't understand a
>word he said. (And these ladies thought the tapes were wonderful)!!!
>
Sure, good trick. Listen to a damned mush mouth, then everyone else sounds
more intelligible.
>I'd love to give the sound therapy a try,
NO, YOU WOULD NOT!!! It is pure and utter bullshit from the finest black Angus
cattle.
> but I don't have $265 to spend on
>something that I can't hear
Aha, I figured there was a catch. $265 for that garbage?! Save your money up
and buy some good, digital hearing aids.
> My hearing in the lower frequencies is not too
>bad. I hear lots and lots of noises which are extremely LOUD with hearing
>aids, so much that sometimes I jump
Yeah, you have recruitment of loudness and also the hearing aids you have are
probably linearly amplifying sounds and maybe too much low frequency sound to
boot.
>I saw an ad once where a company
>makes music recordings for people who have high frequency hearing loss. I'd
>be interested in buying some of those recordings if I ever see the
>advertisement again.
I have a better idea. Turn up the treble and turn down the bass on your stereo
system. Get yourself a graphic level equilizer and set your music the way you
want it. No, you do not want to waste money on these stupid recordings either.
Grindo
Don
Thanks Grindo, I appreciated your comments.
> Yeah, you have recruitment of loudness and also the hearing aids you have
are
> probably linearly amplifying sounds and maybe too much low frequency sound
to
> boot.
Yes, I'm sure these old analog's need to be replaced. I've had them 7 years
(Rexton BTE's) At the time I bought these the 3M Company had a digital. I
tried them. But my audiologist had never seen a computer before and I doubt
if he knew how to adjust them properly. I've learned recently that I have
the right to demand a company representative to come make the the
adjustments and I'll do that if I ever decided to buy new aids. Anyhow,
good thing I didn't buy those 3M aids because I think they became obsolete
the next year.
But I also remember back at that time that the channels were overlapping and
when he made the mid-range louder, it also made the low frequencies louder.
When he adjusted the high frequencies, it again increased the volume in the
low and mid-range frequencies. I don't know if the new digitals have
improved or not.
Don
Gary G
feedback suppression only...By the way I felt it was a lousy aid...GG
Grindo23 wrote:
>
> >Subject: Re: Hearing Loss and Sound Therapy
> >From: "Don" DO...@prodigy.net
> >Date: 7/8/00 2:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <8k7sgh$2ov0$1...@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com>
> >
>
> >Yes, I'm sure these old analog's need to be replaced. I've had them 7 years
> >(Rexton BTE's) At the time I bought these the 3M Company had a digital. I
> >tried them. But my audiologist had never seen a computer before and I doubt
> if he knew how to adjust them properly.
>
> Well, that was seven years ago. Software has come a long way. The 3M digital
> was a failure, but it was a first marketable attempt at a digital that could be
> programmed with a computer. BTW, the first digital hearing aid that made it
> was not programmed with a computer. It was the Danavox DFS Genius. It was not
> totally digital, however, but it was a great hearing aid for severe to profound
> losses. Unfortunately, Danavox, sorry GNResound, no longer makes the aid. Too
> bad.
>
> > I've learned recently that I have
> >the right to demand a company representative to come make the the
> >adjustments and I'll do that if I ever decided to buy new aids.
>
> Yes, this is something I mentioned the other day. If you get digital hearing
> aids and you are not satisfied with the way they have been programmed after a
> few adjustments, simply ask if the rep could come out and adjust them. Most of
> the time this is not necessary, but the option is there should you or anyone
> else request it.
>
> > Anyhow,
> >good thing I didn't buy those 3M aids because I think they became obsolete
> >the next year.
> >
>
> Oh, well. You can be sure that the major players now in digital instruments
> will be there next year. Of course, some of them may be owned by different
> companies.
>
> >But I also remember back at that time that the channels were overlapping and
> >when he made the mid-range louder, it also made the low frequencies louder.
> >When he adjusted the high frequencies, it again increased the volume in the
> >low and mid-range frequencies.
> > I don't know if the new digitals have
> >improved or not.
>
> Oh, yes! They are ALL much improved since the 3M. So, if you have the money,
> get thee back to your audiologist and try a pair!
>
> Grindo
Grindo23
Grindo23
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>Which digital aid did 3M have?...And wasn't the DFS Genius using digital
>feedback suppression only...By the way I felt it was a lousy aid...GG
>
Well, as I recall, it was just known as the 3M digital. I never had anything
to do with it. As for the DFS, yes, it did use digital feedback suppression
plus a few other things done digitally. Actually, it was an excellent aid. If
you ever visited any of the schools for the deaf a few years ago, you would
find that many of the kids had the DFS. I can also tell you that I have had
several long time users select the DFS over power digitals the past few years.
In the years I dispensed the DFS, only ONE person ever returned it. And I am
talking some big numbers. No, it was a very clear sounding, powerful
instrument. A very good instrument. But, Danavox is a totally different
animal now. The old days under Marti Ormsby are history.
Grindo
Grindo23
>Message-id: <3967C344...@netwiz.net>
>3M never had a digital...And as they no longer exist it would not be
>wise to buy any of their products...GG
>
Gary,
Eat crow for supper tonight and it shows you are either young or ignorant. 3M
indeed was the first company to sell a programmable digital hearing aid. If I
am wrong, I will eat my pc.
Grindo
Gary G
consider myself young...I may be wrong I just don't remember...Although
I remember an aid being pulled before it became available in the
US...Resound did that with their first digital but not sure about
3M...We fit many profoundly deaf user's and although we have a few DFS's
out there we found the aid to be more trouble than it was worth...I
often find it interesting when someone tells me they have great luck
with an aid and we see the other side...It's the nature of any
art...Subjective in many ways and guided in a large part by our
belief's...We can't fool people much past our doors but our belief's can
instill a lot...GG
Grindo23
>Message-id: <3968897E...@netwiz.net>
>I'm willing to eat crow if I must...I'm not ignorant and at 49 I do
>consider myself young...I may be wrong I just don't remember...Although
>I remember an aid being pulled before it became available in the
>US...Resound did that with their first digital but not sure about
>3M..
Well, Gary, let me assure you that 3M had the first true programmable digital
aid. I am sure there are others on here who can testify to that.
.We fit many profoundly deaf
>user's and although we have a few DFS's
>out there we found the aid to be more trouble than it was worth.
You fit a FEW. I fit over 150 of them. Also, I never had any problems witht
the aid. I mean, I cannot remember having to send one in YET for repair. A
superb product. Rated highly by the VA and also by most schools for the deaf.
I doubt very much that you fit "mainly profoundly deaf users" if you only fit a
few of these hearing aids. The DFS Genius along with the Oticon E38 and 39P,
the US80 by Unitron, several Phonaks, these were the staple head knocker
hearing aids for severe to profound losses.
Grindo
Gary G
fit...Your arrogant and way too cocky...In fact I've often thought that
your and Michael are the same person...I'm not sure about the 3M but
will continue to look...As to your other crap I won't bother...Gary G
kerri
> And Britain has 8 million people! :-)
Jeez...ya leave out one little five... :-)
--k
Grindo23
>Message-id: <3968F6EF...@netwiz.net>
>
>You know you often speak without knowing...How do you know how many I
>fit...
You said you fit "a few" and a few ain't too many. It certainly is not 150
.>Your arrogant and way too cocky...In fact I've often thought that
>your and Michael are the same person..
I am not arrogant. I am simply pointing out that you have not fit enough of
the DFS to make judgment on them. Also, I find it hard to believe that you fit
many severe to profoung hearing losses and would not have used the DFS more and
would not know about the 3M digital.
I am not the sarcastic, arrogant, pompous, snide, slick, unrepenting,
merciless, and downright cruel, mean-spirited individual that Michael is. He
is a Hoo, a Cavalier and that is the way they are. They think they are better
than everyone else just because Thomas Jefferson designed their campus. Stuff
like that. No, please do not put me in his camp. I could never live that down.
Besides, he is balding. I have a nice head of hair. We are not the same guy,
believe me. Frankly, I wish he was around to help me out as I seem to be about
the only audiologist on here of late and I am tired of trying to answer
questions for people. Actually, maybe he is not so bad after all. Maybe he
just gets beat up here too much.
>.I'm not sure about the 3M but
>will continue to look..
Uh, it really is not too hard. Try throwing "3M digital hearing aid" into a
search engine or pick up the phone and call the 3M 800 number. Or call another
dispenser
.>As to your other crap I won't bother...Gary G
>
What other crap, Gary? Whimping out are you?
Grindo
Thomas Bunetta
then Resound bought them, then GNDanavox in turn.
During the Sonar period, they had a digital programmable,
but no DSP.
The Nicolet Phoenix was the first attempt to market a true
digital aid, and the Oticon Digifocus was the first
successful DSP aid to come down the road.
--
Tom,
Maker of Fine Sawdust and thin Shavings
Ea...@ewol.com
"Grindo23" <grin...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Hearing Loss and Sound Therapy
> >From: Gary G Hig...@netwiz.net
Gary G
net and also asked some friends...I couldn't find any reference to a
digital...I don't mind being wrong but couldn't insist on something I
was not 100% sure of after I was challenged...Funny how personal this
stuff can become...I will speak with Rocky at 3M today...GG
Grindo23
University of Virginia which is one of the best universities in America. I
still have no idea what a "hoo" is. And I have no idea why they are the Hoos
and also the Cavaliers. Perhaps Michael or someone else can enlighten me.
Grindo
(I have never even met Michael R.)
Gary G
product...Now would you like salt or pepper on your PC...You see even though I'm
not an "Audiologist" I enjoy helping when I can...I don't jump on others or call
them ignorant to make a point...You think you have all the answers and to be
quite honest I've often found you very informative...Anyway...We all need to work
together and stop trying to be the top of the heap because in the end we will all
lose if we don't work together as a team...GG
Grindo23
>product...Now would you like salt or pepper on your PC..
I hate to tell you, Gary but 3M developed and produced the FIRST digital
hearing aid. Would somebody else jump in here and support me?
I will still eat my pc if 3M did not make a digital aid. And I will eat yours
also. Only goes to show that you do not know what you are talking about.
I do not josh about shit like this.
Grindo
William DeMarzo
was produced by Audiotone in 1983, before Nicolet started the Phoenix project. To
check about the 3M aid call Resound( they purchased 3M and renamed it sonar then
just swallowed them whole) and ask them.
Gary G
can't resolve this Grindo...If I'm wrong I'd admit it...You on the other hand just
can't seem to face the inevitable...You might be wrong...It's OK to be
wrong...Really...GG
Grindo23
Yeah, well I got Vito to break his knees if he gets out of line. ROCKY? What
kind of name is that for a spokesman for a company? "Yeah, Rocky'll be right
witcha as soon as he puts a hit on Bill Austin." I ain't calling anyone named
Rocky or even Bullwinkle. I want someone who has been with 3M in hearing aid
research for 20 years to come on here and set this straight. Did they or did
they not develope a digital aid in the 1980's which flopped. And hurry up
because I am really hungry to eat Gary's computer covered with salsa. I figure
even if I am wrong, I get to eat the whole enchilada and he will lose all his
data. I will then run out to the little house with a half moon over the door
and hope I can recycle everything.
Yes, some of the best men in history have been wrong. And if I am wrong now,
it will mark only the third or fourth time this millenium. Not bad. Even
Einstein was wrong more than that. And certainly PeeWee Herman made some
naughty mistakes along with our own president who was wrong to buy that Walt
Whitman book for his little chicky Monica. Even Hillary read through the
little lie that the book was intended for a gay staff member. He did not learn
from his mistakes, but I look forward to learning from mine, if indeed I am
wrong.
Grindo
Innocent until proven guilty
Grindo23
there was no publicity. As I said, less than one percent is on the Internet.
There is nothing on there about me being one of the first skateboard champions
over 35 years ago. There is absolutely nothing on the Net about my playing
days with the Lafayette Columbians. There is nothing on their about the six
pound small mouth my Dad caught on Lake Galilee in Mellin, Wisconsin in 1957.
There is nothing on there about the annual Lake Michigan surfing championships
at Grand Haven.
These are more important to many people than a failed digital hearing aid.
Grindo
(Surf's up and stocks are, too)
Gary G
in '88'(Memory Mate BTE) they gad something digital on their research
program which was digital but never came out?...Well I guess that is
possible...But are you not stretching a bit?...Your quite a piece of
work...It's funny how you go from arrogant bastard to comedian...You are
interesting...GG...Although I may have once been BG but my first name
flopped early on in my Mom's womb...GG