A View of Gurumayi's Birthday celebration.
Bongo Zulu
evenings celebrating and honoring the lives of India's women saints. Each
program was beautifully constructed to not only tell the life story of the
saint
but to also offer a deep and sweet experience of the saint through the use
of storytellers and instrumental music. Over four nights we heard the life
story of four different female saints: Akkhamadevi, Lalleshwari, Mirabai,
and finally Anandamayi Ma.
Each evening would begin with the lights dim in Guru Chowk as the
monsoon rains fell out in the courtyard. It felt like a family all gathered
together
to hear a sumptuous story surrounded by the blanket of a thick night. The
MC would announce the saint for the evening and then the magic began.
The music department had put together a beautiful instrumental interlude to
introduce each story. The interlude each night was based on a chant, and
this chant was linked to the saint's life in some way. For example, on the
night
of Mirabai's life story, we heard a moving and angelic choral arrangement of
Sri Krishna Govinda in honor of her love for Krishna.
Then the storyteller would begin. As a special addition, interwoven
throughout
the story, would be excerpts of the saint's poetry read by a female voice with
musical accompaniment underneath. Then, right after the story was finished,
we were gently led into the full chant. To sit and to become so deeply
steeped
in the amazing stories of these saints and to hear their words in such a
beautiful
way truly gave rise to a deeper understanding of their attainment. Many
commented throughout the four days that these programs were not 'programs'
but rather "experiences." Their hearts were so moved by the saints' sadhana
that they felt Gurumayi, her devotion and her love for God, resembled in each
story. Indeed, it was a celebration of our own living saint as well!
Then we had a three day saptah of Om Namah Shivaya. So beautiful to have
it chanted all the time with the rain and then Gurumayi formally announced
that
there would be only silent darshan from now on. But darshan became so
still, deep and just incredible. Being with her only, no other competing
conversations, just you and her. I felt as though the air was so thick and
charged with shakti, she seemed translucent, other worldly - very still.
Then in the morning of her birthday we had a simple program with the
visiting brahmin boys and a bhajan from the Indian teens and then she spoke.
It was a maha talk. She hadn't spoken since Baba's birthday and that talk
was mainly thanks and about the importance of understanding bhav. But this
talk was very different.
She started right away by talking about darshan, how people just don't get
it basically. That GSP had become a tourist spot full of noise and people
were coming up in darshan just talking about their family problems, that
people simply didn't get what she was about and what darshan was. And that
is why it is now silent darshan. She said, "Why should I touch your head,
it is full of lice! Why do you want to touch my feet, it is rainy season,
you do not know where they have been." It was so direct and powerful. She
said this kind of darshan is a tradition but what is the point of it when we
don't contemplate what it is. She said why should she give darshan when
people aren't even listening to her? She talked about children and parents
and how parent should never hit children or speak badly of them, that you
must teach with love and gentleness. She said some people might be upset
that she hasn't been here for 5 years and now she is in silence but she said
nothing will change the sadhana of this ashram, you can say what you want,
you can think what you want but this is my sadhana. It was a very direct,
frank and "no bull" type of talk.
That night felt totally different. There was a chant in Guru Chowk that
basically only the gurukula students came to. It was so sweet. We chanted
ONB and she began by taking the mike without any accompaniment and singing
it by herself in these long long drawn out phrases full of so much longing
and yearning. I had never ever seen her this way, singing a chant all by
herself totally immersed in the words, croning to Baba. She sang Ommmm,
OOmmmm, OOOOOmmmmmmm in all these different pitches and ways and
then moved onto Namo and did the same etc. Her love heart song lasted over
5 minutes. All of us were just stunned and enraptured by her love and longing
.
Then we chanted and she was so ecstatic, very very happy, it was the
happiest that any of us had seen her here to date. She was jumping in her
seat and clapping and just so joyful. It was raining and it just felt so
much like a family, a community, like her dear children all gathered around
her after the adults had gone away and we just played together. We all were
transported by that chant with her.
She has continued to give darshan silently and just yesterday it was announced
that it will no longer be every day but only on Thurs, Sat and Sun. I was so
sad.
My darshan experiences have been subtle but so important to me. I recently
took the Pratyabjniahrdyam course and each day as I would leave and go for
darshan my heart and soul were swimming in the large ocean of the Absolute,
so my darshans were really sweet, she would seem to smile and to nod.
She has been walking around a bit too. Just a few days ago she was walking
alone past Siddheshwar (building) and saw a friend of mine on the porch and
said
to him, "What's up?" as she walked past. She is so cool. Last night I walked
past
her on the path and she was talking to two swamis and she had her glasses on
and a cool big purple raincoat -- she looked radiant in the rain, so intensely
beautiful. Ahhh. It is so easy here to take it for granted, but I pray not
to.
So...life here is sublime. I am very happy. I give this whole ashram and
all of its blessings to you.... the dark beauty of monsoon and its silence.
Many many wishes from GSP to you!
S235one08
> Many
> commented throughout the four days that these programs were not 'programs'
>
> but rather "experiences." Their hearts were so moved by the saints' sadhana
>
> that they felt Gurumayi, her devotion and her love for God, resembled in
>each
> story. Indeed, it was a celebration of our own living saint as well!
Don't you just love this crap! "Many commented..."
Really, "many commented?"
How convenient! How wonderful! What a coincidence! How auspicious!
"Many commented." To whom? When? Who?
"Indeed, it was a celebration of our own living saint as well."
"Indeed," my ass! That was the point, Bamboozle! Holiness by
association...just swallow this sweet tasting stuff...yeah, got you!
*******************S2351(ONE)O8******************
“When dealing with others who are less certain, simply having
certainty gives dominance.” (p.80) GURU PAPERS
S235one08
>She said, "Why should I touch your head,
> it is full of lice!
"No, Gurumayi. Your head is full of lice!"
> it just felt so
> much like a family, a community, like her dear children all gathered around
> her after the adults had gone away and we just played together.
Yes, you want to be treated like a child!
Yes, you ARE being treated like a child!
Yes, you want to be a part of a family!
Yes, you want to be part of a community!
Yes, the adults HAVE gone away!
> just yesterday it was announced
> that it will no longer be every day but only on Thurs, Sat and Sun. I
>was so
>sad.
"Poor baby! Don't be sad! Your googoo mama's gonna give you more candy soon.
Just go do the goowoo geeta and you'll feel better. That's a good girl!"
> Many many wishes from GSP to you!
Many many wishes that you come to the realization that there's a big, beautiful
world out here, and you don't have to give
anybody credit for it...except God (if you want to.)
Narada 1
>>Many commented throughout the four days that these programs were not
'programs' but rather "experiences." Their hearts were so moved by the saints'
sadhana that they felt Gurumayi, her devotion and her love for God, resembled
in each story. Indeed, it was a celebration of our own living saint as well!<<
S writes,
>>Don't you just love this crap! "Many commented..."
Really, "many commented?"
How convenient! How wonderful! What a coincidence! How auspicious!
"Many commented." To whom? When? Who?
"Indeed, it was a celebration of our own living saint as well."<<
Narada writes,
Like usual S had no "hard facts" to contribute, only the stench of tossing
dung.
Narada
Bongo Zulu
It is ironic that your signature contains the statement: "When dealing with
others who are less certain, simply having certainty gives dominance." You
definitely displayed a lot of certainty, I'll give you that. I pray that some
day you will get over the extreme anger that you also spewed out towards me, a
stranger, and come to a place of peace within your apparently troubled life.
You can call me all the names you want, the worse the better, it might cleanse
you of your anger; but it only shows your own nature. What have I done to
disturb you? If you don't like what I write, leave it alone instead of getting
an ulcer.
Do you have a family? If so, please don't treat them the way you treated me.
Bongo
Philippe_L_Balmanno
drove to the retreat in Palm Springs but I haven't been able to be around
Gurumayi and it is nice to hear of your experience.
Bongo Zulu wrote in message
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S235one08
>What have I done to
>disturb you? If you don't like what I write, leave it alone instead of
>getting an ulcer.
Dear Bongozulu;
Thank you for your concern but because I express myself I lessen the liklihood
that I will get "an ulcer." Ulcers are often caused by certain bacteria as
well. Please be careful what you eat there in Maharashtra.
I can ask you the same question, can't I? "What have I done to disturb you? If
you don't like what I write, leave it alone instead of getting an ulcer."
Your post is to me like a sugar-coated addictive drug. I am not eating it and I
want to warn others not to eat it either. It reminds me of years of DARSHAN
magazine 'tour supplements,' in which nothing but sweet words were written
while at the same time devious and underhanded deeds were done at the direction
of and in the interests of Gurumayi. (Ask her about her
"troubled life" and her relationship with HER family.)
How I choose to live my "apparently troubled life" is my business, isn't it?
Your apparently untroubled life is due for some serious questions on your part
in relation to posting your propaganda here. Are you looking for trouble? Do
you know in whose company you are having satsang? Since you chose this venue, a
newsgroup entitled, "alt.support.ex-cult.siddha-yoga" to spew your pro-siddha
yoga baby-talk, you shouldn't be surprised if you get burned
by words which reflect others' uncensored real thoughts and feelings.
>Do you have a family? If so, please don't treat them the way you treated
>me.
You (to me) very clearly wrote that you want to be treated like a child with
Gurumayi as your parent. Perhaps if you were part of my family I would try to
find a way to explain my thoughts and feelings (and my personal experiences) to
you without hurting your feelings. Since you chose to affront me with your
'news bulletin' from the scene of the crime, as it were - I felt quite free to
say what I felt, since I have left Siddha Yoga
and its censorious ways. (Yes, I dare to express my "negativities.") Are you
one of my family? Do you want to be treated like one of my family? You could be
and you are welcome to be but you must show some respect for my Siddha Yoga
experience first.
Thank you for your respect.
Sincerely,
S
*******************S2351(ONE)O8******************
“When dealing with others who are less certain, simply having
certainty gives dominance.” (p.80) GURU PAPERS
Bongo Zulu
You can access Siddha Yoga sites at:
http://www.onelist.com/
and go to either "sgmkj" or "Blupearl" in order to have venom-free discussions.
If you have difficulty, send me an email.
I assume you are familiar with http://www.syda.org/ where they now respond to
questions from all over the world.
Best wishes,
Bongo
xs10sual
BTW: Mz.Bong...everyone on this alt.support.EX-CULT-SIDDHA-YOGA site would
definitely appreciate it if you would STICK TO YOUR OWN SITES where you
might be actually *welcome* - the shit you spew is sickening - go AWAY! We
heard enough of it when we were gooroo shit-lickers like yourself. WE have
grown up - maybe someday you will too (but i doubt it).
Bongo Zulu wrote in message
<19990718173546...@ng-ff1.aol.com>...
>Dear Philippe,
>
>You can access Siddha Yoga sites at:
>http://www.onelist.com/
>
>and go to either "sgmkj" or "Blupearl" in order to have venom-free
discussions.
>
NOW GET LOST SIDDHA YOGA IDIOTS!!!!
Guruve
Please don't take this character called S serious. This is the way he treats
everyone. When I first came on here he treated me this way too. After a long
rant he finally said, "Now I feel better." And I responded by saying how much
better is the feeling of love then hate. And how each path has it's own karmic
reward. It seems to me only a sadist would feel good about hurting others. If
S wants to be a sadist, that is his choice. If that is what he needs to feel
good, I can't help but feel sorry for him. It is difficult to see God in such
people but to try is a spiritual exercise in itself. I can only pray that one
day he to will experience the love of God for himself and for others. In the
meantime I understand he is still deluded and not in his right senses so I
never take anything he says personal.
With Endless Love and Joy,
Guruve
xs10sual
>Dear Bongbuddy (edit by xs):
>
>Please don't take this character called S serious, yadda, yadda, yadda....
>(ETC., fill in this part with misc. deludid ravings and such)
>In the meantime - blah, blah, blah, ......so I
>never take anything he says personal.
>
>With Endless Love and Joy,
xs says to da G-guy:
You gotta be kidding, right? You're actually an intelligent person, just
pretending to be completely SAPPY and STUPID, right? You MUST be just
trying to sucker-in all the goo-roo my-E worshippers....you CAN'T be this
dumb, not really....(please, oh, please tell me i'm right? restore my faith
in humanity...)
Wrong? oh, no....
YOU actually think you know something, don't you? YOU are SO above it all.
Does Mz.Muggle help you do this? Did SHE help you achieve your superiority
complex?
If you only realized WHERE you were! I will give you one (just 1!) clue:
If you are smart (ho hum) you will take it: You are at the doorstep of your
future. Just look around you. What you see is YOURSELF - however many
years down the road it takes you to realize what SY is doing to you.
This place is beyond all your simplistic imaginings....all around you are
hundreds and thousands of people who have been ripped off by that
SCAM-ARTIST who calls herself a 'Guru' - even (and i choke saying this) A
SAINT!!!! Shit! The world IS going to hell - and it's cause of people like
YOU - not S235(1) - who happens to be a very fine REAL person, who is trying
her/his hardest to warn you - and you turn a deaf ear. So sad...so sad.
We here at the alt.support.EX-CULT-SIDDHA-YOGA have come together to release
ourselves from the *spell* within which they were at one time just as caught
as you ARE NOW. If you could only *see*...now, THAT would be GRACE.
WE will pray for YOU, gooroovay. In the meantime, get a clue.
Andy Comanda
news:7n08tb$18h6$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com...
>
> We here at the alt.support.EX-CULT-SIDDHA-YOGA have come together to
release
> ourselves from the *spell* within which they were at one time just as
caught
> as you ARE NOW. If you could only *see*...now, THAT would be GRACE.
That's what I'm talking about!!!
Damn Betcha!!!
Haulaloooooyaaaaaaa!!!!
A-fucking-men!!!!!!!
S235one08
> evenings celebrating and honoring the lives of India's women saints.
I like that..celebrating the lives of saints...nothing wrong with that.
> Indeed, it was a celebration of our own living saint as well!
Aha! Here's the switch! All of a sudden
Gurumayi is a saint too..on a par, I presume with the first four. This seems
like a 'bait and switch' ploy. You came for the Indian saints and all of a
sudden they're calling Gurumayi one too. Perhaps someone can explain where the
"hard facts" come into play here? When did Gurumayi become a "saint?" O.K.,
Just show me some "hard facts" here, that's all.
> It was raining and it just felt so
> much like a family, a community, like her dear children all gathered around
> her after the adults had gone away and we just played together.
Good! This is an honest admission of where this person is at. It's a sweet
thought.
And, again...the adults HAVE gone away. The adults are leaving this cozy
personality cult.
This is not a "sadistic" thing to say. The writer is telling her truth and I am
telling mine. This is how it is; it's not to be judged
as good or bad...it's not bad to be a child or to be child-like. It's just that
sometimes, some people (as they become middle-aged?)
realize that they've been playing Peter Pan's lost children for too long.
They've refused to grow up; they've denied their emotions and their feelings;
they've been trying to squash their common sense, their instincts, their
rational minds....(their sexuality?); they've refused to take responsibility
for their own lives; and for what? For "bliss?"
Ah, yes! Bliss! Love! Unbounded love! It IS possible! I feel it, (sometimes.)
Imagine how much more satisfying to not have to give credit to someone like
Gurumayi for experiencing one's God-given, human right.
Imagine how empowering that must be, to be connected to God without some
authority figure (all dolled-up in fine silks and cosmetic surgery ) standing
in front of you, (telling you that you have head lice) encouraging you to
support her with dakshina, asking you to help her do "her work," (as if there
were something wrong with YOUR work) telling you why she can only let you have
a little of what you want...what the whole shebang has been teasing you
with....more darshan!
Siddha Yoga is like an addiction to me. I am here to report that it can be
overcome. I am here to tell you that your life will not necessarily fall apart
if you leave Siddha Yoga. If you study the teachings of Siddha Yoga and Swami
Muktananda you will see that you don't need Siddha Yoga. It is ironic that they
won't let you go, they want to milk you for more and more, yet their teaching
is that "God dwells within you as you."
You have to leave Siddha Yoga to find out that it's true. You have to leave
Siddha Yoga!
Look closely. Is what I have said really full of "venom?" Strong emotion maybe
but "venom?" I don't think so.
Philippe_L_Balmanno
make my self clear on where I stand. I'm not a devout Siddha in that I
wasn't around in the "Muktananda days" and that I haven't been close enough
to get to know anything about the organization itself. I just learned about
the philosophy of spiritual awakening in '93 which is what I was drawn to.
And, I was not aware of any of the secrets or going ons that I've been
reading about. I appreciate S235one08's direction and I did read the
cyberpath.net/truth page as I've now read about the alleged extra curricular
activities. Mind you, I say alleged because I don't know the stories nor
have I met anyone in the organization that has mentioned this from direct
experience etc. And, xs and anyone else who wonders, I do know what
"ex-cult" means. Try not to bludgeon anyone up front, they may not be
wholly knowing about SYDA (the foundation) either. And, anyone that does
seek to know the truth about it; I would think, would checkout what others
think about it. In short I haven't been brainwashed yet (I believe would be
your vernacular) but your attack seems to be good enough for me to say that
you can't present a reasonable argument for your position not to mention
aggression. Since I haven't been "in the organization" I do entertain
reasonable discussions/arguments on the cons of this organization. So that
you understand where I come from religiously, I have pictures of; Christ,
(1961) Nityananda, Sai Baba, Saitha Sai Baba, Yogananda, (most died before I
was born) I have studied the Dhamapada, KJV, Torah and the Qabalah. You
might say I seek (not fanatically) but I am not attached to any organization
either. I don't like to be restricted to a set way of thinking. Hopefully,
I've not brusied too many people here as I will be sticking around to find
out more about the "foundation" before I get involved or if I get involved.
xs10sual wrote in message <7n034h$344a$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...
>Phil-leap - please take mzBong's advise and GO AWAY!
>
>BTW: Mz.Bong...everyone on this alt.support.EX-CULT-SIDDHA-YOGA site would
>definitely appreciate it if you would STICK TO YOUR OWN SITES where you
>might be actually *welcome* - the shit you spew is sickening - go AWAY!
We
>heard enough of it when we were gooroo shit-lickers like yourself. WE have
>grown up - maybe someday you will too (but i doubt it).
>
>Bongo Zulu wrote in message
Andy Comanda
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]
>...So that you understand where I come from religiously, I have pictures
of; Christ,
> (1961) Nityananda, Sai Baba, Saitha Sai Baba, Yogananda, (most died before
I
Since you keep pictures of Sathya Sai Baba, you may want to also read some
information on him at this address:
http://www.mtsac.edu/~dlane/point4.html#"
Scroll down to The Guru Depository and read the different articles on Sathya
Sai Baba.
It appears that this one is also a pedophile, but prefers boys to girls.
http://www.mtsac.edu/~dlane/saidjun3.html
xs10sual
>Besides my nasty gram to xs10sual about giving me attitude up front, I'll
>make my self clear on where I stand.
...Boy, did he ever tell 'ol xs off :*(
(hanging head & tears 'n all dat really *sad* stuff - not2mention: boo hoo)
Now that i'm over that, i only have one thing to say about it:
BITE ME!!!!
You may consider this your daily dose of Grace from your GooRoo 'XS'
(you'll find out that's all you're worth if ya hang out around 'Siddha's'
long enuf)
>I'm not a devout Siddha in that I
>wasn't around in the "Muktananda days"
HEY! Nobody told me that by merely 'hangin' around 'ol Mukty, that it would
make ME a 'Siddha' - WOW!!!!!!
(everybody better watch out! Now that i'm a full-fledged 'Siddha', i'm
really gonna get all swell-headed).
> and that I haven't been close enough
>to get to know anything about the organization itself. I just learned
about
>the philosophy of spiritual awakening in '93 which is what I was drawn to.
In other words, you are a neophite, a newbie to that *spirituality thang* -
hmmm
Now that i understand a bit more where you're at, let me welcome you in the
traditional Siddha manner:
"With Great Respect and LOVE, i welcome you, with all my heart"...barf,
barf.
>And, I was not aware of any of the secrets or going ons that I've been
>reading about. I appreciate S235one08's direction and I did read the
>cyberpath.net/truth page as I've now read about the alleged extra
curricular
>activities.
yeah, S(1)'s a really cool dude/dudette!
>Mind you, I say alleged because I don't know the stories nor
>have I met anyone in the organization that has mentioned this from direct
>experience etc.
You have now, Phil.
"hello. how r ya? nice ta meet ya. hope ya get a clue faster than i did.
gud luk".
>And, xs and anyone else who wonders, I do know what
>"ex-cult" means. Try not to bludgeon anyone up front, they may not be
>wholly knowing about SYDA (the foundation) either.
hey - I'd say i'm sorry, but that would ruin my 'rep' ;)
><snip, snop>Phil goes on here....blah, blah, blah and lots more blah.
>some stuff about where I come from >religiously, blah, blah, pictures of;
Christ,
>(1961) Nityananda, Sai Baba, Saitha Sai Baba, Yogananda,
>(some stuff about a bunch of dead guys) I have studied the blah, blah,
blab. You
>might say I seek, (blah, blah, etc.)
Well, THANK GOD we know where 'ol Phil-leap comes from 'religiously' ! Just
knowing you have all those pretty pictures makes me, for one, think alot
better about you! If you ARE smart, you will avoid EVER getting attached to
any organization. (clue #1).
>Hopefully,
>I've not brusied too many people here as I will be sticking around to find
>out more about the "foundation" before I get involved or if I get involved.
Understand this, Phil-Leap, NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY nothing you could possibly
do here online could even approach the 'bruising' we here have been
through - so go ahead, MAKE MY DAY....just try to bruise me. HA!
>>NOW GET LOST SIDDHA YOGA IDIOTS!!!! and BITE ME!
with Great Love and Respect,
(and AFTER depositing all your money in the darshan basket)
your new guru 'xs' gives you permission to crawl away...on your hands and
knees!!!! That's better....good....keep going.....
Philippe_L_Balmanno
want to either. Speaking of threats, the only thing I've done is give you
your own attitude back. Can't take it? Yeah I wasn't around in the
Muktananda days. Apparently that's a big plus in SYDA. I guess you were
there. A swelled head? What's a matter didn't you get enough then? Yeah,
I'm a neophyte. You wrote in the other retort "now you've met one" what a
victim of the Guru. It takes two to dance at least I'm smart enough to
check it out before I wind up like you. Boo hooo.
xs10sual wrote in message <7n56me$2v9k$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>...
vaughn croteau
Interesting post in light of your comments to me on 6/11/99 on this ng. You
might be kicking someone's crutches out from under them! I sure learned my
lesson, felt bad for days after! I did take heart when Mr. Burton recovered his
ability to write a sentence of over 4 words once he posted to the SY (tm) site,
so any damage he incurred at my hands was quickly cured by the guru!
Vaughn
xs10sual wrote:
> Phil-leap - please take mzBong's advise and GO AWAY!
>
> BTW: Mz.Bong...everyone on this alt.support.EX-CULT-SIDDHA-YOGA site would
> definitely appreciate it if you would STICK TO YOUR OWN SITES where you
> might be actually *welcome* - the shit you spew is sickening - go AWAY! We
> heard enough of it when we were gooroo shit-lickers like yourself. WE have
> grown up - maybe someday you will too (but i doubt it).
>
> Bongo Zulu wrote in message
> <19990718173546...@ng-ff1.aol.com>...
> >Dear Philippe,
> >
> >You can access Siddha Yoga sites at:
> >http://www.onelist.com/
> >
> >and go to either "sgmkj" or "Blupearl" in order to have venom-free
> discussions.
> >
xs10sual
Philippe_L_Balmanno wrote in message ...
>Xs you and I both know there ain't nothing there to bite. Not that I would
>want to either. Speaking of threats, the only thing I've done is give you
>your own attitude back. Can't take it? Yeah I wasn't around in the
>Muktananda days. Apparently that's a big plus in SYDA.
Phil,
You'll find that i am one of the only ones around here (on the NG) [except
for perhaps a few of the PRO Sy-ers], that happens to remember Muktananda
with somewhat mixed, but mostly POSITIVE, emotions. I immensely enjoyed
being around Muktananda. And most of my contacts with him were good ones.
I do feel a bit sorry for those people currently in SY who didn't have a
chance to meet him (before he went off the deep end). He was a King
(definetly not the 'Saint' everyone set him up to be - but a good King). It
was an experience that changed my life - for the better.
The current gooroo (malti shetty or goo-roo-my-E) is anything BUT that.
She's just a puppet of the SYDA organization, and not even a good puppet at
that. I'd say NOT knowing Muktananda is a plus (now) because then there's
nothing to hang around Siddha Yoga ashrams for anymore. Nothin' to BITE (as
you said). Siddha Yoga just SUCKS now....and in a big way - so it's better
to have not known Muktananda so that you can just go on your way....and
leave Ms.Shetty's excuse for dharma FAR behind.
I sincerely wish you luck...seeking is not an easy job. You say you are
familiar with Yogananda. Then you will recall what he said about *seekers*:
"He's the cleverest!...who finds God. He's the cleverest!...who gives time
to find God. And he's the cleverest!...who finds that supreme happiness
within!"
He's the cleverest....who finds God.
Within that statement is everything you will ever need to know.
>I guess you were
>there. A swelled head? What's a matter didn't you get enough then? Yeah,
>I'm a neophyte. You wrote in the other retort "now you've met one" what a
>victim of the Guru. It takes two to dance at least I'm smart enough to
>check it out before I wind up like you. Boo hooo.
Yes, you ARE smart to check it out. I'll give you that...but, don't take
this
bit of Grace too lightly, boy. You, too, could wind up entangled in some
'spiritual' net of someone's, somewhere! So...heads up! and ....if all else
fails (and as Stu Resnick will tell you): there's always ZEN (buddhism)
;)
Yoganandaji also said: "He who can stand unshaken amidst the crash of
breaking world's...he who's peace, the riches of peace cannot be taken away
by all the robbers of circumstances and trials."
I thank God and Divine Mother, but mostly my very own Self, for
finding....God.
Thanks to That, I stand unshaken. May Peace and God's Love Guide You,
OM, xs
xs10sual
vaughn croteau wrote:
>XS,
>Interesting post in light of your comments to me on 6/11/99 on this ng.
Yes, V! Our previous tete-a-tete came to mind after I posted to phil to
take a 'leap'. (Just so's ya know that i'm thinking about you!)
However, as phil had previously asked for information about other sites,
(and, if my memory serves me right - he wasn't all that pleased with what
was happening in our NG) - i felt it was my duty to give him an extra push
toward the sites Ms.Bong mentioned in her post.
I also seem to remember Phil posting something about how thrilled he was to
hear how things were going at the B'day celebration in GSP (guess that
unnerved me a tad!).
>You
>might be kicking someone's crutches out from under them! I sure learned my
>lesson, felt bad for days after!
Sorry to hear that vaughn!!! (I may have been a bit too hard on YOU,
however).
>I did take heart when Mr. Burton recovered his
>ability to write a sentence of over 4 words once he posted to the SY (tm)
site,
>so any damage he incurred at my hands was quickly cured by the guru!
>Vaughn
>
Yeah! Funny how that happened! I noticed it as well (about mr.
burton/alias mojo?). This time I got a bit caught up in the 'Alias' feeding
frenzy' - too many alter-ego's wandering around lately!!! Got my paranoia
goin'!
Seriously, Vaughn, thanks for the reminder, It's a good thing to keep in
mind - that many people who come here don't have a clue what's going on.
All in good fun, xs
Philippe_L_Balmanno
level of communication. You wrote "She's just a puppet of the SYDA
organization" I've had this feeling from staying at the ashram once and the
other times I went to the summer retreat. Call me judgmental based on just
a few incidences (and others will). It was my feeling that the entourage
felt like a wall restricting access and it made me uncomfortable. I had
always thought that people of that kind of position should be accessible;
apparently not. My experience maybe somewhat like what you were talking
about. I've had conversation with family friends still in SYDA (who
introduced me to SYDA) and, whenever I brought up Swami Nityananda in
Pinebush (her brother) I'd get the "we don't talk about him here." I was
even told some rumors about Afif. When I asked a little more, I was told to
watch what I say or ask about while I was in the ashram. I found that older
members/sevites? who were around Muktananda had a one one-upmanship
attitude and constantly reminded others around them of their status/grace.
And this is what I was referring to about the Muktananda days. Out of
respect for Bhagawan Nityananda, I've respected the lineage but had enough
suspicion about being around and apart of the ashram atmosphere based on my
first impressions. S235 & Andy gave me some good sights to check and I was
reading these two carefully.
http://www.cyberpass.net/truth/Open_Letter.htm
http://www.cyberpass.net/truth/essay.htm
It appears to me, that to some extent my experiences on secrecy etc go along
with what has been said in the open letter. Though this is the first time
I've been able to even attempt discussing what I've experienced to validate
it or not.
xs10sual wrote in message <7n80lq$329k$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>...
>familiar with Yogananda. Then you will recall what he said about
Philippe_L_Balmanno
Andy Comanda wrote in message <7n4hs2$1s$1...@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>...
>Philippe_L_Balmanno <Philippe_...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
>news:exBcbVy0#GA.76@cpmsnbbsa05...
>]
>>...So that you understand where I come from religiously, I have pictures
>of; Christ,
Andy Comanda
news:7n8gca$ak8$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > It appears that this one is also a pedophile, but prefers boys to
> girls.
regarding satya sai baba
>
> Appears??? dont put words in mouth who never meant it or wrote
> anything to say it.
Here is the address again:
http://www.mtsac.edu/~dlane/saidjun3.html
Go read it for yourself.
I'll include a quote. Maybe you can tell me what his words mean.
Begin quoted material:
I would like everyone to see what I have based my based my opinion of =
Raju - aka Sai Baba, his last name - so that they can choose if they are =
facts or assumptions as Bon claims. They are the following:
1. I have seen three movies with some very clear, close shots of Baba =
cheating on "materializations" of "holy" ash, a necklace, and either =
another necklace or a rings, I don't remember which one.
2. I have had Raju touch my testicle some five or six times. He has =
hugged me while touching me. He has breathed hard and made sexual =
noises. So, I have concluded that he was touching me in a sexual way.
3. Raju has directed me to touch his testicle by taking my hand and =
rubbing it against his testicle. Further, he made loud sexual noises. =
So, I have come to the conclusion that he was sexually aroused and =
enjoying it.
End of quoted material.
By the way - your email states your organization as the: "Iranian Armyknife:
spoon". What's that?
Said
deja.com, using alias Ann the Commander <com...@usa.net> teased:
> It appears that this one is also a pedophile, but prefers boys to
girls.
Appears??? dont put words in mouth who never meant it or wrote
anything to say it. So, instead of telling who should read better and
not take things out of context, why dont you do it first. You totally
ignore the part which is the subject of the discussion then you make a
big deal just to prove your point, you call that good reading?
http://www.self-realization.com/satyasaibaba.htm
--
"We've heard that a million monkeys at a million
keyboards could produce the Complete Works of
Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know
this is not true." -Robert Wilensky
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Said
teased:
> I would like everyone to see what I have based my based my opinion of
AT INTERNET SO MUST BE SO??? LOL!!! MOVIES???
> 2. I have had Raju touch my testicle some five or six times.
ONCE??? TWICE?? HAD TOUCH FIVE OR SIX TIMES!!!! ROFL!!!
Andy Comanda
>
> > 2. I have had Raju touch my testicle some five or six times.
>
> ONCE??? TWICE?? HAD TOUCH FIVE OR SIX TIMES!!!! ROFL!!!
I guess if it happened to you, you would believe it. But if it happened to
you there would also be thousands of blind cult followers in denial that
would be rolling on the floor laughing their asses off because they wouldn't
believe it. It wouldn't have been their experience.
Right? Isn't that what your cult leader tells you? Trust your own
experience? I guess it is only ok to trust your own experience if you have
not been abused in some way. And then if you have been abused, there is
some divine purpose for that abuse which really isn't abuse after all but
some divine blessing.
Yeah, that works! Abuse me because it is really only a blessing from God.
la_q...@my-deja.com
Said <khorram...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <7n4hs2$1s$1...@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>, la_quake@my-
> deja.com, using alias Ann the Commander <com...@usa.net> teased:
>
> > It appears that this one is also a pedophile, but prefers boys to
> girls.
>
> Appears??? dont put words in mouth who never meant it or wrote
> anything to say it. So, instead of telling who should read better and
> not take things out of context, why dont you do it first. You
totally
> ignore the part which is the subject of the discussion then you make
a
> big deal just to prove your point, you call that good reading?
What the hell? You posted the exact same paragraph in response to my
post in another newsgroup. Are you a vegetable? Can't you respond to
people?
Anyone who is ineterested in Sai Baba, should read the following
site. Its a must read for anyone interested in Sai Baba in any way.
http://psg.com/~ted/bcskeptics/sbmir/db-book.html
And here is an example of what you will find in that site. What kind of
God makes mistakes like this?
44 - Sai Baba's First Statement About the Meaning of the Star of
Bethlehem:
Christ was born. A huge aura of splendour filled the sky with
light. This was a sign that He had overcome the darkness of evil and
ignorance. The light of Love had come into the world. it was the dawn of
the era of Divine Guidance.
Sai Baba, quoted in Eastern View, p. 6.
45 - Sai Baba's Second Statement About the Meaning of the Star of
Bethlehem:
The bright star that appeared on His Birthday was the same bright
star which appears once every 800 years. The bright star appeared
because of its own natural pattern, not because of Jesus. Emotional
people say this star appeared for Jesus. There is no rule that bright
stars must appear when divine energies or Divine Incarnations descend to
earth. In their emotion about God devotees spread sentimental stories.
Eastern View, p. 156.
la_q...@my-deja.com
la_q...@my-deja.com
for anyone interested in Sai Baba in any way.
http://psg.com/~ted/bcskeptics/sbmir/db-book.html
44 - Sai Baba's First Statement About the Meaning of the Star of
Bethlehem:
Christ was born. A huge aura of splendour filled the sky with
light. This was a sign that He had overcome the darkness of evil and
ignorance. The light of Love had come into the world. it was the dawn of
the era of Divine Guidance.
Sai Baba, quoted in Eastern View, p. 6.
45 - Sai Baba's Second Statement About the Meaning of the Star of
Bethlehem:
The bright star that appeared on His Birthday was the same bright
star which appears once every 800 years. The bright star appeared
because of its own natural pattern, not because of Jesus. Emotional
people say this star appeared for Jesus. There is no rule that bright
stars must appear when divine energies or Divine Incarnations descend to
earth. In their emotion about God devotees spread sentimental stories.
Eastern View, p. 156.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
la_q...@my-deja.com
Said <khorram...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <7n8kks$nub$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>, Ann The Comander
> teased:
>
> > I would like everyone to see what I have based my based my opinion
of
>
> AT INTERNET SO MUST BE SO??? LOL!!! MOVIES???
HUH? LOL, VEGETABLE LANGUAGE IS FUNNY. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A
CONVERSATION WITH YOU, BUT AS IT SEEMS, YOU ARE PROBABLY
SCHEZOPHRENIC(SP?) AND CAN'T TALK VERY WELL PREMA2.
>
> > 2. I have had Raju touch my testicle some five or six times.
>
> ONCE??? TWICE?? HAD TOUCH FIVE OR SIX TIMES!!!! ROFL!!!
WOOOHOOO, AREN'T YOU SARCASTIC. WANNA TALK? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> --
> "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million
> keyboards could produce the Complete Works of
> Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know
> this is not true." -Robert Wilensky
>
la_q...@my-deja.com
"Andy Comanda" <com...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> Said <khorram...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:7n9krv$khj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> >
> >
> > ONCE??? TWICE?? HAD TOUCH FIVE OR SIX TIMES!!!! ROFL!!!
>
happened to
> you there would also be thousands of blind cult followers in denial
that
> would be rolling on the floor laughing their asses off because they
wouldn't
> believe it. It wouldn't have been their experience.
>
> Right? Isn't that what your cult leader tells you? Trust your own
> experience? I guess it is only ok to trust your own experience if you
have
> not been abused in some way. And then if you have been abused, there
is
> some divine purpose for that abuse which really isn't abuse after all
but
> some divine blessing.
>
> Yeah, that works! Abuse me because it is really only a blessing from
God.
Andy, hi. I am the person who confessed that Sai Baba touched my
testicle 5-6 times. I never even thought about this molestation until
1-2 years later when I had left Sai Baba and came to my senses. Mind
control in Sai Baba's organization is very powerfull. His followers
always say look at Sai Baba's teachings and see how good they are...How
can a person with such teachings be doing such horrible things. But it
is those very same teachings that put people into mind control. Anyhow,
I am glad that its over with.
Also, this Stupid fellow who is posting under the name Said
Khorramshahgol is using my name. My name is Said Khorramshahgol. He is
posting links to my experience online, and trying to make fun of my
writings, but as you see, he is very hard to understand. I am going
through the right channels to track him down and take him to court for
using my identity and pretending to be me. His posting privilages along
with his ISP account should be cancelled soon. So, don't worry about
this guy.
la_q...@my-deja.com
"Andy Comanda" <com...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> By the way - your email states your organization as the: "Iranian
Armyknife:
> spoon". What's that?
He is just trying to make fun of me. I am Iranian and he is trying to
make fun of this. Anyhow, he won't be making such comments in court.
He will probably say something right along the lines of "I is no very
ok, happy now, say or later." It seems like he is really good in
vegetable talk.
xs10sual
>Wow, so we finally get to chat on a calmer note. And I appreciate this
>level of communication. You wrote "She's just a puppet of the SYDA
>organization" I've had this feeling from staying at the ashram once and the
>other times I went to the summer retreat. Call me judgmental based on just
>a few incidences (and others will). It was my feeling that the entourage
>felt like a wall restricting access and it made me uncomfortable. I had
>always thought that people of that kind of position should be accessible;
>apparently not.
Unfortunately (for us) they (most all spiritual leaders) are just like all
other 'famous'
people - one has to really want to make contact with them or it ain't gonna
happen!
And then one has to MAKE it happen - somehow. When i first met Muktananda,
I wanted very badly to reap all the benefits I could from my contact with
him. I needed to find out for myself if he was everything everyone was
saying he was; so i learned to make definite deliberate attempts to be near
him. (But, Muktananda actually WAS more accessible than gm. I hear she
doesn't even give darshan anymore! [probably a bit paranoid about all that
'bad' karma comin' back at her!])
I was very fortunate to have had the opportunity to be around Muktananda.
By watching him, I began to understand what it was i was seeking....my Self.
He made me realize that it was me - ME - who was doing it! I am the one
who did all the work, and I am the one receiving the benefits of that hard
work. I really believe that he was sincere in wanting us all to 'get' this
teaching. Whether or not anyone DID 'get it' - well, that's up to them. I
DID, and I'm very very thankful for his help in that realization.
When I was with Baba, I achieved what I (still) consider to be one of the
'milestones' of spirituality....the experience of 'Samadhi' . I can
honestly say that Muktananda helped me reach my goal. He was an inspiration
for me; he encouraged me on a personal level to progress spiritually, and
urged me onward towards my goal. He was a great teacher, (no matter what
happened towards the end of his life and no matter what anyone says about
him), I will always consider him to be at least that.
IMHO Muktananda did alot of GOOD things....got alot of people interested in
meditation as well as familiar with Hinduism (which is not a bad thing in
itself). He had a very magnetic personality - and an incredible intensity
in his eyes....that I will never forget. I felt a lot of love for him and
from him. The end of his life was a sad, very sad affair. I have great
compassion for everyone who suffered.
.> My experience maybe somewhat like what you were talking
>about. I've had conversation with family friends still in SYDA (who
>introduced me to SYDA) and, whenever I brought up Swami Nityananda in
>Pinebush (her brother) I'd get the "we don't talk about him here."
Isn't it sickening? And these people call themselves 'spiritual'???!!!!
>I was even told some rumors about Afif. When I asked a little more, I was
told
>to watch what I say or ask about while I was in the ashram. I found that
>older members/sevites? who were around Muktananda had a one
>one-upmanship attitude and constantly reminded others around them
>of their status/grace.
This all sounds like the typical shit that happens around any organization,
the 'spiritual' ones seem to be the worst!
>And this is what I was referring to about the Muktananda days. Out of
>respect for Bhagawan Nityananda, I've respected the lineage but had enough
>suspicion about being around and apart of the ashram atmosphere based on my
>first impressions. S235 & Andy gave me some good sights to check and I was
>reading these two carefully.
>http://www.cyberpass.net/truth/Open_Letter.htm
>http://www.cyberpass.net/truth/essay.htm
>It appears to me, that to some extent my experiences on secrecy etc go
along
>with what has been said in the open letter. Though this is the first time
>I've been able to even attempt discussing what I've experienced to validate
>it or not.
I, too, felt a lot of respect for Sri Nityananda (baba's guru); most of the
time I
seriously considered myself to be a devotee of Bhagawan Nityananda more than
of Muktananda. His (Muktananda's) fascination with himself was one of the
first signs to me that 'all was not well' with him. Towards the end of his
life he began obsessively taking photographs of himself; in different
outfits, hats, shades, etc. It all looked rather silly to me - so I tended
to lean inwards towards Nityananda, which helped me reach deeper inside
myself.
However, when stories began floating around about Muktananda molesting
little girls!.....well, i don't think anyone was prepared for that! It was
such a shock! My boyfriend at the time completely dropped the whole SYDA
thing and went completely whacko!! He was SO angry and upset at me!!! (for
not outright abandoning SY the way he did). However, I had a particularly
unique perspective of the situation, as my dear grandfather who was the same
age, was going through a very similar kind of degenerative process (of mind
and body); and he too started acting out in sexually inappropriate (socially
immoral/amoral) ways.
Watching and being with my grandfather helped me to understand what
Muktananda must have been going through. My grandfather wasn't "Bad" just
because he degenerated into a childlike state sexually ! - it was the result
of his illness. I could not HATE him for being sick! My grandfather and I
were very close, and i believe that going through everything I did (with
him) helped me finally accept what happened to Baba. Baba was sick. Very,
very sick. And I have compassion for the sick, and I forgive him. .
I'm certain that everyone who was involved with SYDA at that time went
through some incredible trauma or another!
Well, enough blab for now. I, too, am glad to be communing with you on a
calmer note. Perhaps we may even learn something from one another! Who
knows?
Your friend, Om, shanti, xs
.
xs10sual
whoa boy....where-oh-where-didthisjerk comefrom? and how manyof them are
there?
la_q...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7napjn$ei$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
xs10sual
><snip>
>"I is no very
>ok, happy now, say or later." It seems like he is really good in
>vegetable talk.
veggie-talk? that's funny!! seems like you are too.....(good at
veggie-talk)
Andy Comanda
> Andy, hi. I am the person who confessed that Sai Baba touched my
> testicle 5-6 times. I never even thought about this molestation until
> 1-2 years later when I had left Sai Baba and came to my senses. Mind
> control in Sai Baba's organization is very powerfull. His followers
> always say look at Sai Baba's teachings and see how good they are...How
> can a person with such teachings be doing such horrible things. But it
> is those very same teachings that put people into mind control. Anyhow,
> I am glad that its over with.
>
> Also, this Stupid fellow who is posting under the name Said
> Khorramshahgol is using my name. My name is Said Khorramshahgol. He is
> posting links to my experience online, and trying to make fun of my
> writings...
I am sorry that you were abused by this ass hole others call saint. I am
also sorry that that you continue to be harassed by this moron who has
chosen to post using your identity to ridicule you.
I guess that those still in the cult are so threatened they will go to any
lengths to keep their house of cards from falling down. They fear exposure
so much they will go to any lengths to try and deny others' experiences.
I find it quite the paradox that they claim only their experience is true,
yet are very quick to deny any one else's experience if different from
theirs. I guess the bottom line is, they can only acknolowedge one
experience - the one their cult leader has told them is the right experience
to have. They have been rendered incapable of recognizing any experience
other than the cult party line experience.
Said
la_q...@my-deja.com teased:
>
> 44 - Sai Baba's First Statement About the Meaning of the Star of
> Bethlehem:
>
> Bethlehem:
THINKING YOU???
Jesus First Statement about command:
Whosoever therefore shall break one of the least these commandments and
shall teach men so he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
heaven;
Jesus Second Statmeent about commandments:
For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day
--
"We've heard that a million monkeys at a million
keyboards could produce the Complete Works of
Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know
this is not true." -Robert Wilensky
la_q...@my-deja.com
"xs10sual" <xs10...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> ...and you guys thought *I* was weird!!!
> whoa boy....where-oh-where-didthisjerk comefrom? and how manyof them
are
> there?
It smells like a devotee of Sai Baba got their ass burnt. An ass burnt
jerky. :o)
>
> la_q...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7napjn$ei$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>
>
Said
la_q...@my-deja.com teased:
>My name is Said Khorramshahgol.
WHAT YOUR REAL NAME??? YOU ARE THE akho...@us.oracle.com WRITING???
YOU WRITE LA QUAKE??? ORACLE COMPANY DIRECTOR KNOWING YOU USE COMPANY
HOURS WRITE ALL SICK LETTERS ME THRU ORACLE COMPANY ACCOUNT NOT SAYING
YOU SAID!!! LOOK ALL MANY NEWS GROUP la_q...@my-deja.com WRITE!!! SEE
HOUR USE COMPANY!!!
---
"We've heard that a million monkeys at a million
keyboards could produce the Complete Works of
Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know
this is not true." -Robert Wilensky
la_q...@my-deja.com
heheheee I smell a burnt ass again. hehehehe. I wonder why you are
trying to support this guy. Does it bother you that I am coming down on
him? Why? Are you two brothers? Are you friends? Why are you taking
his side? Or is it that you don't like me to say anything bad about Sai
Baba? Oh, and does it bother you that he is using my name? hehehe I
smell more burnt ass.
Said
Commander <com...@usa.net> teased:
> 2. I have had Raju touch my testicle some five or six times.
ONCE??? TWICE?? HAD TOUCH FIVE OR SIX TIMES!!!! ROFL!!!
THINK!!! ONCE IS MOLEST MAY BE!! TWO MOLEST OR LIKING??? FIVE OR SIX???
LIKING!!! You are saying PEDOPHILE!!! WHERE THE CHILD??? FIVE OR SIX
TIMES IS ADULT LIKING!!! WHERE PEDOPHILE??? THINK!!! WHSY YOU READ
BELIEVE?? THINK!!!
--
"We've heard that a million monkeys at a million
keyboards could produce the Complete Works of
Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know
this is not true." -Robert Wilensky
Said
talking. "Ann The Comander" <com...@usa.net> teased her other hand:
> I guess that those still in the cult are so threatened they will go
to any
> lengths to keep their house of cards from falling down.
??? WHO CULT??? I AM SHOWING ADDRESS!!! YOU TALKING ONLY HANDPUPPETS!!
> They fear exposure
> so much they will go to any lengths to try and deny others'
experiences.
WHO THIS THEY??? I SHOWING FACT!!! YOU SHOWING BLAHBLAHBLAH!!!
> I find it quite the paradox that they claim only their experience is
true,
WHO DO THIS???? YOU!!! You certainly act like you fear exposure
handpuppets talking each other one person!! IF FEAR EXPOSURE a big deal
to you, why do you keep arguing that you are real two people??? You one
person!!! sick? can we help? etc. No one say only their expeirnce
reall!! You want realize blahblahblah!!!
Said
> Hey bastard, you don't know any web sites that have>the kind of info
> that he is talking about?>You are a liar and you are telling us that
> Sai Baba is God? Hey bastard, here is what you posted in another
> newsgroup. The link is my account of sexual molestation, etc. at the>
hands of Sai Baba, so how can you tell you don't know of such sites?
> Fucking liar.
WHERE SAYING SAI BABA GOD??? LIAR??? YOU BASTARD ME??? ALL SEE YOUR
LETTERS OFFICE NOT SAID KHORRAMSHAHGOL!!! YOU LA-QUAKE HUNDREDS NEWS
GROUP ORACLE CORPORATION THIEF TIME STEAL??? WHO LIAR BASTARD!!???
Message-Id: <3795G411...@us.oracle.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:23:45 -0700
From: Afshin Khorramshahgol
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Gentlemen, someone has been using my full name to post messages to the
newsgroups. I have asked him to stop and he has not only stopped, but
has tried to humiliate me on all the newsgroups in which
I have been active. I need to know who this person is and any contact
information that you may have in your database. Also, please
deactivate his account(s), whatever they may be. Below is a post
of what the Telecommunications Act of 1984 states to advise you that
this person is committing a "criminal offence" and I am planning to
pursue this all the way to the courts. My e-mail address is
akho...@us.oracle.com I thank you in advance for your time and help.
The Telecommunications Act 1984
The Telecommunications Act 1984 makes is a criminal offence to use any
telecommunications system with intent to cause annoyance or distress.
Failure to heed this Act can lead to fines, imprisonment and loss
of telephone service.
--- Copy of offending material follows ---
> From: Said <khorram...@my-deja.com>> Subject: Re: INNF on the move
> Date: 21 Jul 1999 00:00:00 GMT> Message-ID:
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> In article <7misce$rjn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,> la_q...@my-deja.com
teased:>
> > Major sales deal. Check out their news.>
> on http://www.mtsac.edu/~dlane/saideb3.html
> ======================== end =================================
WHAT OFFENDING??? OFFENDING BASTARD LIAR KHARKOSSE WHO???
xs10sual
veggie-talk i not good at...tekgal best lolololololololl
la_q...@my-deja.com wrote:
>heheheee I smell a burnt ass again. hehehehe. I wonder why you are
>trying to support this guy. Does it bother you that I am coming down on
>him? Why? Are you two brothers? Are you friends? Why are you taking
>his side? Or is it that you don't like me to say anything bad about Sai
>Baba? Oh, and does it bother you that he is using my name? hehehe I
>smell more burnt ass.
Whats-his-face not my 'thing' oh strange1. Guess u r just smellin' yer
own butt burn!
Andy Comanda
> Anyone who is ineterested in Sai Baba, should read the following
> site. Its a must read for anyone interested in Sai Baba in any way.
>
> http://psg.com/~ted/bcskeptics/sbmir/db-book.html
>
A very interesting site indeed. Thanks!
Andy Comanda
> THINK!!! ONCE IS MOLEST MAY BE!! TWO MOLEST OR LIKING??? FIVE OR SIX???
> LIKING!!! You are saying PEDOPHILE!!! WHERE THE CHILD??? FIVE OR SIX
> TIMES IS ADULT LIKING!!! WHERE PEDOPHILE??? THINK!!! WHSY YOU READ
> BELIEVE?? THINK!!!
>...??? I SHOWING FACT!!! YOU SHOWING BLAHBLAHBLAH!!!
You are insane, right? At what mental institute do you reside? Or are you
actually on the loose?
xs10sual
>You are insane, right? At what mental institute do you reside? Or are you
>actually on the loose?
>
>
Said
la_q...@my-deja.com teased:
>"I is no very
>ok, happy now, say or later." It seems like he is really good in
>vegetable talk.
Hello fellow anti-spam internet user. (I was asked to translate. Other
than that I want nothing to do with this.)
To the reader and the employer of la_quake, mr_mammal,
sai_detective, afshin, etc.:
please check with the "known spammers" list located
at:
http://pages.whowhere.com/internet/nospammers. If the
offending spam
address is listed, then this spammer has already been
deleted and added
to netwide spam filters.
Only complaints with valid return addresses will be
answered.
Afshin Khorramshahgol is complaining to my ISP that
Said and Afshin are
the same name. I have no right to speak?
There is no need to reply to the clear absurdity of
that complaint.
Earlier, however, Afshin openly said he has utilized
multiple aliases.
This addresses only those at deja.com, among which is
Subject: Re: Spiritual Revolution (article)
Date: 1999/03/03
Author: la_quake <la_q...@my-dejanews.com>
In article <7bhi4g$e7g$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
1...@netlane.com wrote:
> Spiritual Revolution is now on
<snipped>
----- Above is from Sri
> Sathya Sai Baba (a great teacher) & was printed in
Share International
> magazine <www.shareintl.org>
>
This Sai Baba that you are talking about has been
caught in 4 movies
cheating on what he calls "miracles". He is a liar and
not God as he
claims he is. Another faulty charactristic of this Sai
Baba liar is his
habitual sexual molestation of young boys. And Share
International and
Creme believe in this guy? Thats says a lot about
Creme and his
organization.
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion
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==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss,
or Start Your Own
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:23:45 -0700
From: Afshin
Khorramshahgol
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Subject: Abuse of my
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The Telecommunications Act 1984
> --
> "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million
> keyboards could produce the Complete Works of
> Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know
> this is not true." -Robert Wilensky
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
There is no offense in quoting and my name is NOT Afshin!
Earlier, however, Afshin openly says he has utilized multiple aliases.
This addresses only those at deja.com, among which is
mr_mamal...@my-deja.com
Name: Afshin Khorramshahgol
Here is a partial list of the hundreds of articles
Afshin spammend
under ONE account.
Posting History: mr_mamal...@my-deja.com Help |
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There are 920 unique messages by
mr_mamal...@my-deja.com
Number of Messages Forum
90 soc.culture.iranian
85 talk.religion.newage
19 alt.religion.christian
16 alt.consciousness.mysticism
15 alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
15 soc.culture.indian
15 soc.culture.malaysia
13 alt.alien.visitors
13 alt.christnet.bible
11 alt.religion.islam
11 alt.religion.mormon
11 talk.religion.course-miracle
10 fr.soc.religion
10 soc.culture.pakistan
10 talk.religion.misc
9 alt.alien.research
9 alt.bible
9 alt.bible.prophecy
9 alt.fan.art-bell
9 alt.meditation
9 alt.paranet.ufo
9 alt.religion.jehovahs-witn
9 alt.religion.scientology
9 alt.ufo.reports
9 alt.yoga
9 comp.databases.olap
9 de.alt.ufo
9 it.discussioni.ufo
9 no.prat.ufo
9 soc.culture.jewish
9 uk.environment
9 uk.games.roleplay
9 uk.games.video.playstation
9 uk.legal
9 uk.media.dvd
9 uk.misc
9 uk.people.gothic
9 uk.sport.football
9 uk.telecom
8 alt.consciousness
8 alt.impeach.clinton
7 alt.paranormal.reincarnation
6 alt.abuse.recovery
6 alt.atheism
6 alt.computer.consultants.ads
6 alt.disney.disneyworld
6 alt.healing.reiki
6 alt.magic
6 alt.magic.secrets
6 alt.magick
6 alt.meditation.shabda
6 alt.meditation.transcendental
6 alt.metaphysics.a-a-bailey
6 alt.out-of-body
6 alt.recovery
6 alt.religion.bahai
6 alt.religion.christian.baptist
6 alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox
6 alt.religion.unification
6 alt.religion.vaisnava
6 alt.religion.wicca
6 alt.startrek.creative
6 alt.support.loneliness
6 alt.tv.x-files
6 alt.yogananda
6 alt.zen
6 aus.politics
6 de.alt.astrologie
6 it.arti.fotografia
6 it.economia.borsa
6 rec.martial-arts
6 sci.astro.amateur
6 soc.genealogy.britain
6 soc.retirement
6 talk.origins
6 uk.people.teens
6 uk.rec.ufo
5 comp.databases.oracle.marketplace
5 israel.lists.il-talk
5 talk.religion.buddhism
4 a.bsu.religion
4 comp.databases.oracle.server
4 humanities.language.sanskrit
3 alt.antichristnet
3 alt.babylon5.uk
3 alt.christnet
3 alt.christnet.prayer
3 alt.christnet.public
3 alt.education
3 alt.education.alternative
3 alt.folklore.urban
3 alt.philosophy
3 alt.religion.christian.biblestudy
3 alt.religion.w-w-church-god
3 alt.revisionism
3 alt.sports.baseball.stl-cardinals
3 alt.tarot
3 aus.religion.christian
3 fa.deos
3 soc.culture.argentina
3 soc.culture.brazil
3 soc.culture.singapore
3 soc.culture.tamil
3 soc.culture.thai
3 soc.penpals
3 uk.finance
3 uk.local.yorkshire
2 alt.slack
2 news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
2 soc.culture.indian.telugu
1 alt.culture.egyptian
1 alt.islam.sufism
1 alt.religion.christian.boston-church
1 alt.religion.islam.arabic
1 alt.religion.islam.shia
1 alt.security.terrorism
1 alt.sports.baseball
1 sci.military.naval
1 soc.culture.afghanistan
1 soc.culture.egyptian
1 uk.religion.islam
If you examine those posts you will find most are
repeats.
When the spam by Afshin Khorramshahgol was revealed,
deja.com cancelled
the account. Within hours Afshin returned with a new
alias. Below is
the article
in which he admits he was mr. mamal, but under his new
incarnation
as
"sai-de...@my.dejanews.com"
Re: Sai Baba: an ex-devotee's experiences
Author:
sai_detective
Email:
sai_detective@my-dejanews.c
om
Date:
1999/01/10
Forums:
alt
.yoga
In article <77a0tj$spn$1...@news.iinet.net.au>,
"Frank Procopio" <pr...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> I myself am not a Sai Baba devotee but I must say
that in
January of 1989 I
> went with some people from my city for a trip to
Puttaparthi India to see
> him. After four days our little group of nine got
called
for an interview
> with several other groups.
> Within the interview room I watched without any
biased
points of view. I was
> not interested in becoming a devotee of anybody. I
only
went to observe with
> a scientific viewpoint. We all sat on the floor and
he sat
in the corner of
> the room on a chair. Some how I managed to get a
sitting
position right in
> the front line. If I reached my arms forward I
would touch
his knees, I was
> that close. In that room I saw him materialise five
items
which he gave to
> people around me. They where created one at a time
and the
first four were
> created in a fully open and un-moving hand. No
quick
movements to pull
> something from his sleeve. Fully open hand sitting
without
movement on his
> lap one instance, an amazing ring appears without
even so
much as breath the
> next. Open your hand and stretch it out in front of
you.
Do you see how
> clearly you can see every feature of your open
palm.
That's how clearly I
> could see these materialisations. What I saw in a
millisecond before the
> materialisation was a little spark of light and I
heard
some sound. The
> items created were earrings, rings, a lingam and a
silver
bracelet. The
> final thing created, the fifth item, was the
bracelet
which he did as his
> hand moved towards the person he was going to give
it to.
> I know what I saw but you reading this can't know
if you
can believe it as
> truth. All I can say is that after what I saw I
cannot
possibly believe he
> could be a normal human being like you and me. Nor
can I
believe the
> bullshit the first guy who started this thread had
to say.
>
>
Before I begin let me say I am the same guy who
posted the
original "bullshit"
that you are refering to.
First of all, I don't believe your story, Baba never,
ever
has created things
like that, let alone 4 of them in one interview. Not
a
single story in the
many books that I have read have suggested that he
materialized things the
way you are telling me he did. But lets say he did
create
things the way you
are describing them. Then what would you say if I
showed
you a movie that
has 4 clear shots of him cheating? Maybe he lost his
powers
since you saw
him :o) Watch "God lives in India", this movie is
watched by
his devotees.
Just watch his hands at all time, there will come a
time
when the right hand
will move under the right hand and the transfer of
material
happens. One
shot is so clear and interesting that your story
becomes
somewhat of a
fiction if you see this. I have seen Baba cheat in
three
movies and what I
saw in these movies have been the same as the story
that the
orginal post
describes and the original post was written before
these
movies came out.
The last time I went to India, for the first time
Baba's
org. had arranged
for 20 American students to see Baba. These students
got an
interview and
Baba created a ring/necklace for almost all of them
or all
of them, I don't
remember. Half of these students saw Baba take things
and
put things back
from the chair that he was sitting on in the
interview room
-- and others
have reported the same thing including a devotee who
wrote
about this in her
book about Baba, she is still a devotee. They became
very
suspicious of Baba
and one of them was very vocal about what he saw.
Two days
after this
incident, in darshan -- when Baba comes out and walks
among
his devotees --,
when Baba reached the American students, he circled
his
hand, he
"materialized" ash, and he threw it on the student's
face --
that one that
was very vocal of what he saw. The student was so
embarassed and mad, poor
guy. When Baba turned around his face was full of
anger. I
saw this with my
own eyes. He is no God, but a black magician, most
probably.
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==----------
When that spam was revealed, Afshin came back under yet
another
deja account: sai_de...@my-deja.com
Number of Messages Forum
32 soc.culture.indian
16 alt.religion.eckankar
13 talk.religion.newage
9 uk.religion.hindu
9 uk.religion.interfaith
8 aus.politics
8 uk.religion.buddhist
8 uk.religion.misc
8 uk.religion.other-faiths
7 alt.religion.vaisnava
6 alt.folklore.ghost-stories
5 soc.culture.singapore
4 alt.fan.art-bell
4 alt.yoga
3 alt.zen
3 soc.culture.indonesia
3 soc.culture.malaysia
3 talk.religion.buddhism
2 alt.consciousness
2 alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan
2 soc.culture.australian
2 soc.culture.tamil
2 uk.misc
1 alt.fan.sailor-moon
1 alt.lifestyle.furry
1 alt.politics.media
1 alt.religion.islam
1 alt.religion.scientology
1 rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
1 rec.travel.asia
1 soc.culture.british
1 soc.culture.irani
When that account was cancelled due spamming, Afshin
reappeared
as
la_q...@my-deja.com, and repeated the same articles
from his earlier
two accounts, also added new ones along the same line.
37 alt.healing.reiki
16 alt.smokers
14 soc.culture.iranian
12 soc.culture.indian
8 alt.paranormal.reincarnation
8 alt.support.ex-cult.siddha-yoga
7 alt.invest.penny-stocks
6 uk.religion.hindu
5 alt.yoga
5 rec.music.gdead
5 soc.culture.argentina
4 alt.atheism
3 fr.soc.religion
2 a.bsu.religion
2 alt.aromatherapy
2 alt.religion.scientology
2 soc.culture.pakistan.religion
1 alt.baldspot
1 alt.org.food-not-bombs
1 alt.paranet.metaphysics
1 alt.peeves
1 alt.religion.islam
1 alt.religion.shamanism
1 talk.religion.course-miracle
1 talk.religion.misc
1 talk.religion.newage
In all of his aliases, the majority of Afshin's
articles are repeats,
spams, and are posted during work hours. His employer
might well wonder
on whose time? Because the articles arise via your
corporate account, I
urge you to examine the thousands
of articles Afshin has posted to determine his use of
your company time
and reputation.
la_q...@my-deja.com
Said <khorram...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Hey bastard, so you are telling me that I am Afshin Khorramshahgol.
Lets see what your ISP has to say. FYI, I am Said Khorramshahgol. My
nickname is Afshin, which is why you see Afshin Khorramshahgol in my
Oracle account. I would love you to send proof of your name being Said
Khorramshahgol to your ISP. I will send mine if they ask me, but you,
you are a bastard with no name. For now, just go ahead and make these
accusations. I wonder what your lawyer will say in courts.
As far as my posts to newsgroups during work hours, good luck with that
too. Since I work from home, I am allowed by my company to spend my
time any way I want to as long as I get the work done and work 8 hours
per day. I could be on the internet all day and work all night and that
is OK with my company. So, you can't get ANYWHERE with this, but I like
the attention that I am getting.
See you in court soon.
la_q...@my-deja.com
Said <khorram...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <7naqcq$k7$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> la_q...@my-deja.com teased:
>
> >My name is Said Khorramshahgol.
>
> WHAT YOUR REAL NAME??? YOU ARE THE akho...@us.oracle.com WRITING???
> YOU WRITE LA QUAKE??? ORACLE COMPANY DIRECTOR KNOWING YOU USE COMPANY
> HOURS WRITE ALL SICK LETTERS ME THRU ORACLE COMPANY ACCOUNT NOT SAYING
> YOU SAID!!! LOOK ALL MANY NEWS GROUP la_q...@my-deja.com WRITE!!! SEE
> HOUR USE COMPANY!!!
Good luck doing anything to me through Oracle. I smell a heavy dose of
burnt ass around you.
>
> ---
> "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million
> keyboards could produce the Complete Works of
> Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know
> this is not true." -Robert Wilensky
>
la_q...@my-deja.com
Said <khorram...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <7nappv$fe$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> la_q...@my-deja.com teased:
> >
> > 44 - Sai Baba's First Statement About the Meaning of the Star of
> > Bethlehem:
> >
> > 45 - Sai Baba's Second Statement About the Meaning of the Star of
> > Bethlehem:
>
> THINKING YOU???
>
> Jesus First Statement about command:
>
> Whosoever therefore shall break one of the least these commandments
and
> shall teach men so he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
> heaven;
>
> Jesus Second Statmeent about commandments:
>
> For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day
How in the world did you understand Jesus' sayings? hehehee
And what was the purpose of your quotes from the Bible? Are his sayings
contradictory like Sai Baba's are? hehehe
la_q...@my-deja.com
Said <khorram...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <7narni$ve$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, la_q...@my-deja.com teased:
>
> > Hey bastard, you don't know any web sites that have>the kind of info
> > that he is talking about?>You are a liar and you are telling us
that
> > Sai Baba is God? Hey bastard, here is what you posted in another
> > newsgroup. The link is my account of sexual molestation, etc. at
the>
> hands of Sai Baba, so how can you tell you don't know of such sites?
> > Fucking liar.
>
> WHERE SAYING SAI BABA GOD??? LIAR??? YOU BASTARD ME??? ALL SEE YOUR
> LETTERS OFFICE NOT SAID KHORRAMSHAHGOL!!! YOU LA-QUAKE HUNDREDS NEWS
> GROUP ORACLE CORPORATION THIEF TIME STEAL??? WHO LIAR BASTARD!!???
>
Truly you belond in a psychiatirc hospital, if you are not there
already.
> Message-Id: <3795G411...@us.oracle.com>
> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:23:45 -0700
> From: Afshin Khorramshahgol
> <akho...@us.oracle.com> Organization: Oracle Corporation
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> postm...@www.deja.com,
> postm...@ibm.mtsac.edu
> Cc:akho...@us.oracle.com
> Subject: Abuseof my name
> > ======================== end =================================
>
> WHAT OFFENDING??? OFFENDING BASTARD LIAR KHARKOSSE WHO???
>
la_q...@my-deja.com
"xs10sual" <xs10...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> BOTH you seem have lots FUNNY fun, smelling butt's....many kinds.
funny,
> veggie-talk i not good at...tekgal best lolololololololl
Let me guess, 16 years old tops, right?
>
> la_q...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >heheheee I smell a burnt ass again. hehehehe. I wonder why you are
> >trying to support this guy. Does it bother you that I am coming down
on
> >him? Why? Are you two brothers? Are you friends? Why are you
taking
> >his side? Or is it that you don't like me to say anything bad about
Sai
> >Baba? Oh, and does it bother you that he is using my name? hehehe
I
> >smell more burnt ass.
>
> Whats-his-face not my 'thing' oh strange1. Guess u r just smellin'
yer
> own butt burn!
>
You are the one who responded to me rudely, I guess your butt is still
burning.
la_q...@my-deja.com
>
> > Andy, hi. I am the person who confessed that Sai Baba touched my
> > testicle 5-6 times. I never even thought about this molestation
until
> > 1-2 years later when I had left Sai Baba and came to my senses.
Mind
> > control in Sai Baba's organization is very powerfull. His followers
> > always say look at Sai Baba's teachings and see how good they
are...How
> > can a person with such teachings be doing such horrible things. But
it
> > is those very same teachings that put people into mind control.
Anyhow,
> > I am glad that its over with.
> >
> > Also, this Stupid fellow who is posting under the name Said
He is
> > posting links to my experience online, and trying to make fun of my
> > writings...
>
> I am sorry that you were abused by this ass hole others call saint. I
am
> also sorry that that you continue to be harassed by this moron who has
> chosen to post using your identity to ridicule you.
>
any
exposure
> so much they will go to any lengths to try and deny others'
experiences.
>
true,
> theirs. I guess the bottom line is, they can only acknolowedge one
> experience - the one their cult leader has told them is the right
experience
> to have. They have been rendered incapable of recognizing any
experience
> other than the cult party line experience.
Andy, I greatly appreciate your support. It means a lot to me.
As far as Sai Baba devotees are concerned, you have to have been brain
washed by Sai Baba to understand what they are going through. When I
was a Sai Baba devotee, just the idea that Sai Baba "might" be a cult
leader gave me A LOT of pain within. I had to push such ideas away very
quickly. Thats why when I saw the first movie that showes Sai Baba
cheating, it took me some 6 months to even consider what I had seen.
During that six months I remained a devotee and pushed away any thought
about that movie. Thats how bad the brain washing is in Sai Baba's
organization. How can any of his followers judge him if they push away
the idea that Sai Baba is a cult leader immediately? It causes them
great pain and thats why if you ever run across a devotee and tell him
about this, he will more than likely start shouting at you. I have seen
it before.
Again, thank you for your support Andy.
Best regards,
Said Khorramshahgol (Afshin)
Andy Comanda
> Andy, I greatly appreciate your support. It means a lot to me.
No problem about the support. It pisses me off to no end when i see this
kind of blind denial.
> As far as Sai Baba devotees are concerned, you have to have been brain
> washed by Sai Baba to understand what they are going through.
I do understand. I think that to be involved with any cult for any length
of time a certain amount of brainwashing has to take place. We have
discussed on this newsgroup the many reason's for why we suspended our own
rational minds to this brainwashing. For some of us, we are still trying to
figure it out so that it can never happen again.
>...if you ever run across a devotee and tell him about this, he will more
than likely start shouting at you. I have >seen it before.
We have seen it here on this newsgroup by devotees of $iddha Yoga. So I
know this reaction well.
I do wish you well in all that you do and in your search for happiness.
sres...@slip.net
> I find it quite the paradox that they claim only their experience is
> true, yet are very quick to deny any one else's experience if
> different from theirs.
So many times we've heard SYDA supporters say that they ignore all the
reports of the gurus' misdeeds because "it's not my experience."
It reminds me of my own attitude towards snoring. Over & over again I've
been told that I snore too loud. But I know it's not really true, cause
*I've* never heard it!
Stuart
sres...@slip.net
http://www.slip.net/~sresnick/mypage.shtml
a_jugg...@hotmail.com
>> "Andy Comanda" <com...@usa.net> wrote:
>> I find it quite the paradox that they claim only their
>> experience is true, yet are very quick to deny any one
>> else's experience if different from theirs.
>>
> So many times we've heard SYDA supporters say that they
> ignore all the reports of the gurus' misdeeds because
> "it's not my experience."
>
> It reminds me of my own attitude towards snoring. Over
> & over again I've been told that I snore too loud. But
> I know it's not really true, cause *I've* never heard it!
>
Andy, thank you for so clearly stating an interesting phenomemon among
blissfully ignorant devotees.
Stuart, great analogy!
Said
> Yes, I spammed, and will continue to do so. Copy this message and
> post it in all of your messages, OK? NO one will care
END SPAMMING NEWSGROUPS!!! la_q...@my-deja.com ADDRESS
http://www.angelfire.com/sk/saibabaexposed/index.html !!!
In article <7o2nh1$k4t$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
la_q...@my-deja.com teased
> And oh, do you think that because I have spammed before makes Sai Baba
> holy? You are so sloooowwww! Hehehehehe
END SPAMMING NEWSGROUPS!!! la_q...@my-deja.com ADDRESS
http://www.angelfire.com/sk/saibabaexposed/index.html !!!
>
> IF ONLY ONE READER YOURS NOW WRITING AB...@DEJA.COM
> AB...@US.ORACLE.COM the spam of la_q...@my-deja.com same parrot
> stopping ALL THIS!!!
>
> > > la_q...@my-deja.com,
> >> d_q...@my-deja.com
> > > sai_de...@my-deja.com,
> > > mr_mamal...@my-deja.com,
> > > sha...@itdc.koreanair.com
> > > sha...@yahoo.com,
> > > maf...@sprintmail.com,
> > > DEEPS...@msn.co
>
> 3000 items in over one hundred news groups!
> In article <7nvaua$eve$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> la_q...@my-deja.com teased:
>
> YEARS AGO YOU SPAM SAME QUESTION!!!
>
> > As if anyone cares that I spam. Hehehehe. You are so
> > sllllooooooowwwww!
>
> Are you la_q...@my-deja.com? d_q...@my-deja.com? sai-detective@my-
> deja.com? ma...@my-deja.com? ALL ONE PARROT SO MANY SPAMMING!!!
>
> It is clear that all spamm is one from you. You are brain washed, so
> I don't expect much more from you. I don't expect much more than you
> are doing right now from you. I want to tell others about this
> spamming charlatan before they fall into his trap and suffer. Happy
> now? Hehehehe.
>
> Anyone care the 3000 spam DEJA NEWS??? ANY SENDING SPAM NOTICE DEJA
> NEWS???
>
> In article <7nvbgk$fau$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> la_q...@my-deja.com teased SAME SPAM HUNDREDS NEWS GROUP 3000
TIME!!!
>
> >
> > And oh, do you think that because I have spammed before makes Sai
Baba
> > holy? You are so sloooowwww! Hehehehehe
>
> NO ONE CARES THE SAI BABA!!! YOU SPAM STOPPING!!
>
> > Yes, I spammed, and will continue to do so. Copy this message and
> post
> > it in all of your messages, OK? NO one will care
>
> ONE READER WRITING DEJA.COM the spam of la_q...@my-deja.com same
> parrot all these one stopping:
>
> > > la_q...@my-deja.com,
> >> d_q...@my-deja.com
> > > sai_de...@my-deja.com,
> > > mr_mamal...@my-deja.com,
> > > sha...@itdc.koreanair.com
> > > sha...@yahoo.com,
> > > maf...@sprintmail.com,
> > > DEEPS...@msn.co
>
> > > 3000 items in over one hundred news groups!
> Seeing SPAM BY ONE PARROT:
> la_q...@my-deja.com,
> d_q...@my-deja.com,
> sai_de...@my-deja.com,
> mr_mamal...@my-deja.com,
> sha...@itdc.koreanair.com
> sha...@yahoo.com,
> maf...@sprintmail.com,
> DEEPS...@msn.com,
> etc.?
>
> There are 198 spam messages by la_q...@my-deja.com:
> Number of Messages * Forum
> 37 alt.healing.reiki
>
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> d&query=%7ea%20(la_q...@my-deja.com%20or%20la_...@my-dejanews.com)%
> 20%26%20%7eg%20(alt.healing.reiki)
> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 21 alt.religion.christian-teen
>
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> d&query=%7ea%20(la_q...@my-deja.com%20or%20la_...@my-dejanews.com)%
> 20%26%20%7eg%20(alt.religion.christian-teen)
> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 16 alt.smokers
>
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> d&query=%7ea%20(la_q...@my-deja.com%20or%20la_...@my-dejanews.com)%
> 20%26%20%7eg%20(alt.smokers)
> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 15 alt.paranormal.reincarnation
>
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> d&query=%7ea%20(la_q...@my-deja.com%20or%20la_...@my-dejanews.com)%
> 20%26%20%7eg%20(alt.paranormal.reincarnation)
> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 15 soc.culture.indian
>
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> d&query=%7ea%20(la_q...@my-deja.com%20or%20la_...@my-dejanews.com)%
> 20%26%20%7eg%20(soc.culture.indian)
> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 14 alt.support.ex-cult.siddha-yoga
>
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> d&query=%7ea%20(la_q...@my-deja.com%20or%20la_...@my-dejanews.com)%
> 20%26%20%7eg%20(alt.support.ex-cult.siddha-yoga)
> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 14 soc.culture.iranian
>
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> d&query=%7ea%20(la_q...@my-deja.com%20or%20la_...@my-dejanews.com)%
> 20%26%20%7eg%20(soc.culture.iranian)
> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 7 alt.invest.penny-stocks
>
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> d&query=%7ea%20(la_q...@my-deja.com%20or%20la_...@my-dejanews.com)%
> 20%26%20%7eg%20(alt.invest.penny-stocks)
> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 7 rec.music.gdead
>
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> d&query=%7ea%20(la_q...@my-deja.com%20or%20la_...@my-dejanews.com)%
> 20%26%20%7eg%20(rec.music.gdead)
> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 6 alt.prophecies.nostradamus
>
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> d&query=%7ea%20(la_q...@my-deja.com%20or%20la_...@my-dejanews.com)%
> 20%26%20%7eg%20(alt.prophecies.nostradamus)
> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 6 uk.religion.hindu
>
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> d&query=%7ea%20(la_q...@my-deja.com%20or%20la_...@my-dejanews.com)%
> 20%26%20%7eg%20(uk.religion.hindu)
> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 5 alt.yoga
>
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> d&query=%7ea%20(la_q...@my-deja.com%20or%20la_...@my-dejanews.com)%
> 20%26%20%7eg%20(alt.yoga)
> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 5 soc.culture.argentina
>
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> d&query=%7ea%20(la_q...@my-deja.com%20or%20la_...@my-dejanews.com)%
> 20%26%20%7eg%20(soc.culture.argentina)
> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 4 alt.atheism
>
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> d&query=%7ea%20(la_q...@my-deja.com%20or%20la_...@my-dejanews.com)%
> 20%26%20%7eg%20(alt.atheism)
> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 3 a.bsu.religion
>
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> d&query=%7ea%20(la_q...@my-deja.com%20or%20la_...@my-dejanews.com)%
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> 3 fr.soc.religion
>
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> d&query=%7ea%20(la_q...@my-deja.com%20or%20la_...@my-dejanews.com)%
> 20%26%20%7eg%20(fr.soc.religion)
> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 3 soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
>
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> 20%26%20%7eg%20(soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans)
> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 2 alt.aromatherapy
>
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> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 2 alt.paranet.metaphysics
>
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> 2 alt.religion.scientology
>
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> 2 soc.culture.pakistan.religion
>
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> d&query=%7ea%20(la_q...@my-deja.com%20or%20la_...@my-dejanews.com)%
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> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 2 talk.religion.newage
>
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> 1 alt.baldspot
>
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> 1 alt.org.food-not-bombs
>
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> &svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=933548003.377094169>
> 1 alt.peeves
>
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> 1 alt.religion.islam
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> 1 alt.religion.shamanism
>
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>
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>
> > > Only for his account mr_mamal...@my-deja.com
> > > (Name on Record: Afshin Khorramshahgol) there are 920 unique
> messages!
> > > Not only under many deja- Afshin spams also under yahoo accounts
> > > (shah...@yahoo.com)-
> > > incluing sai_de...@my-deja.com.
> > > This is Afshin's action under that alias:
> > > Afshin is also la_q...@my-deja.com, repeating the same spam:
> Also see sha...@yahoo.com, sha...@itdc.koreanair.com,
> maf...@sprintmail.com, DEEPS...@msn.com, la_q...@my-deja.com,
> sai_de...@my-deja.com, mr_mamal...@my-deja.com!
> MILLION NAME AFSHIN=MILLION MONKEY!!!
--
"We've heard that a million monkeys at a million
keyboards could produce the Complete Works of
Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know
this is not true." -Robert Wilensky
Said
Said <khorram...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <7naqcq$k7$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> la_q...@my-deja.com teased:
>
> >My name is Said Khorramshahgol.
>
> YOU WRITE LA QUAKE??? ORACLE COMPANY DIRECTOR KNOWING YOU USE COMPANY
> HOURS WRITE ALL SICK LETTERS ME THRU ORACLE COMPANY ACCOUNT NOT SAYING
> YOU SAID!!! LOOK ALL MANY NEWS GROUP la_q...@my-deja.com WRITE!!! SEE
> HOUR USE COMPANY!!!
>