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Dona

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May 28, 2004, 8:25:22 PM5/28/04
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This is the eve a big family get-together involving my ex and the small
troll he lives with. And no, I'm not bitter.

I have decided to color and streak my hair this evening. As I write I smell
horrendously and am getting vibes that I am probably going to end up
seriously regretting this.

I remember once as a young teen dying my light brown hair blond-blond and
ending up this fluorescent orange (this was long before it was considered
cool).

Anybody else here hair disasters? I'm hoping I can find a way to blame this
on epilepsy.


Julie

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May 28, 2004, 11:03:01 PM5/28/04
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Dona, my roots are crying out for some of the red. I have to be careful or I
get too red. I'm too cheap to have it done professionally. I guess if you
didn't hear the timer go off because you went into a seizure, or your short
term memory made you forget that you had goop on your head and a towel draped
over your shoulders - then you could blame the disaster you call hair on your E
;-)

How'd it come out?

Julie

CyberCafe

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May 28, 2004, 11:07:05 PM5/28/04
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Good one, Dona! Can't blame this one on epilepsy (too bad, right?).

Barb


M

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May 29, 2004, 5:14:27 PM5/29/04
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CyberCafe <promo...@badger.tds.net> wrote

Blame it on Tegretol, Dona (even if you don't take it). It has so many
horrid side-effects that another one can be added without anyone
noticing.
--
Malcolm (coming up to his first 24 hours without any pills at all!)

Dona

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May 29, 2004, 6:16:19 PM5/29/04
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Malcolm, how come you're not taking any pills? I've been considering it.

Before anyone jumps my case I have simple partials that feel like crap, but
it's gotten the point I can't even remember how to open the car door because
of the pills.


Dona

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May 29, 2004, 6:30:00 PM5/29/04
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I'm on the verge of a serious spase-out here. I'm actually wearing a dress,
makeup, jewlery and am two minutes away from washing my face, putting on my
bluejeans and pulling my hair back in a ponytail. I look so much better
dressed as a slob.

I used to love dressing up. What happened to me? I feel like I look like
Elvira, my face feels like it's about to crack off. I have way to much hair,
which by the way looks great, thank you very much. I wish there was some way
I could just send my hair and have my fat behind stay home.

I can do this. I have a wonderful career, a great house, superlative kids
and special friends, and will be able to spend an evening with my ex and his
family and his ugly skinny girlfriend with ease. Right?

Well me and Xanax will.


M

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May 29, 2004, 6:46:25 PM5/29/04
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Dona <mont...@hotmail.com> wrote

For exactly the same reason as you. Funny you should mention car doors
because last week I tried to open the laboratory up using my car's
remote zapper. I want my memory back.

I'm doing fine and I've got 2 hours to go. But if you try it, you will
try it sensibly, won't you? Coming off crack looks like a doddle
compared to coming off epilepsy meds.

BTW: I have a theory that Tegretol causes water retention because
without it I have solved the UK water shortage in just 24 hours.
--
Malcolm

gaross

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May 29, 2004, 7:47:42 PM5/29/04
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"M" <webm...@need.to.remain.anon> wrote in message
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> CyberCafe <> wrote
I'd notice. I was told in 1993 (based on MRIs and CT scans) to *Hope For
2-3 Complex Partial Seizures per month as a Target. With a 2nd medication
(Clobazam = Frisium) and Tegretol CR, the **Last 2 seizures I had were Dec.
97 and June 1998. For those who can use it and if used properly (No
Alcohol, No Yucky Grapefruit, Don't miss doses), it provides stable
reliable control. G./


M

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May 29, 2004, 8:02:01 PM5/29/04
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gaross <gar...@rogers.com> wrote

>
>"M" <webm...@need.to.remain.anon> wrote in message
>>
>> Blame it on Tegretol, Dona (even if you don't take it). It has so many
>> horrid side-effects that another one can be added without anyone
>> noticing.
>> --
>> Malcolm (coming up to his first 24 hours without any pills at all!)
>>
> I'd notice. I was told in 1993 (based on MRIs and CT scans) to *Hope For
>2-3 Complex Partial Seizures per month as a Target. With a 2nd medication
>(Clobazam = Frisium) and Tegretol CR, the **Last 2 seizures I had were Dec.
>97 and June 1998. For those who can use it and if used properly (No
>Alcohol, No Yucky Grapefruit, Don't miss doses), it provides stable
>reliable control. G./

Oh, I don't deny that the Tegretol / benzo combination works. But do you
like the side effects? Quality of life and I'm prepared to take the
chance.

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Malcolm

turbinado

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May 29, 2004, 8:08:44 PM5/29/04
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Good luck Malcolm! I have been yearning to get off Tegretol for quite
awhile, but I don't dare... I figure I should wait until I've been at least
a month seizure-free - I thought I was getting there, but I had a CP this
morning. :(

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Dona

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May 30, 2004, 12:08:10 AM5/30/04
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I talked to my neurologist. He's not real enthusiastic about the idea, but
he does admit that the tonic-clonic was 99% surely a reaction to the Paxil.

He gave me a big prescription to Xanax for taking if a set of the simple
partials hit. If I do get one and take a couple of doses of Xanax it seems
to stop the cluster in its tracks.

The memory problems on the Zonegran are getting pretty bad, I mean things
like does the red light mean go or stop, which is the quarter and which is
the dime, where am I going, and dear God where do I live.

If I can get reassurence that the partials will stay where they've been for
the past 13 years, I think I'm better off just dealing with them.

Of course, I will do this along with my neurologist.


Marco

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May 30, 2004, 1:05:36 AM5/30/04
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It looks like the boys have taken over this thread about hair dressing
again. I wonder when they are going to start a thread about sports, cars,
etc.

Sorry I cannot be of any more help.

--
Take care.

Bye,
Marco


M

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May 30, 2004, 4:20:35 AM5/30/04
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Marco <marcomels@h_tmail.com> wrote

>It looks like the boys have taken over this thread about hair dressing
>again. I wonder when they are going to start a thread about sports, cars,
>etc.

No sports. Pastimes maybe, such as climbing, sailing, gardening,
swimming and programming, but you'll notice they're all solitary
pastimes. Team games don't seem to be my strong point, and cup final day
is an excuse to go shopping whilst the streets are empty.

Cars are for getting from A to B. For me they have no other function.

And I can't really pass judgement on hair colour as Valproate made most
of mine fall out long ago. It would be nice to have some hair to colour.


So no, the boys haven't taken over this thread, and it's completely
available for discussion about hairdressing. I was just chatting to
Dona :)
--
Malcolm

Daz_n_Pat

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May 30, 2004, 8:13:03 AM5/30/04
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"M" <webm...@need.to.remain.anon> wrote in message
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Dunno about water retention Malcolm. I've been on 1600mg for years (just
reduced to 1200) and I can only drink about half a glass of anything and I
have to run to the toilet.
Best of luck with going off the meds. Hope it all goes well for you.

Darryl.


Raistlin

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May 30, 2004, 8:32:54 AM5/30/04
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funny thing - when i was taking tegretol only, i had no side effects at
all. guess this, again, is an example that everybody reacts in a different
way to meds.

keep rockin'
Raist

gaross

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May 30, 2004, 10:54:21 AM5/30/04
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*** I guess I should butt in here, although I don't have anything about
'hair colour' to add... possibly in another ~4 years !! :-<

There are lots of people who can use Tegretol or its Slow Release
versions XR, CR or Retard, without ill effects for seizure control. I've
used Tegretol CR since 1994 alone and With Frisium (Clobazam) at reduced
dose since ~1996 to the present. Last 2 Complex Partial seizures I had
were Dec. 1997, and June 1998.
Latter dates only matter since at onset in 1993 they suggested I
should expect 'success' as being measured at 2-3 seizures per *month,
based on MRIs and Other tests done at onset.

Don't use Tegretol with Grapefruit Juice, Alcohol (preferably), or Upset
stomach remedies. Don't skip doses (miss any) or Double up on them, with
Tegretol. Follow rates the Doctor Prescribed and don't tinker with them
unless you've discussed that with them.
Those probably could be written for *All Anti Ep Medications (except
possibly the Grapefruit only applies to One Family of AEDs). There's an
Acid that is not present in other Citrus Juices that conflicts with the
Operation of the Carbamazepine. Use Food, Milk or other Juices (I use Apple
Apricot or Apple Peach I can get here year round.) G./


gaross

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May 30, 2004, 10:59:36 AM5/30/04
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"Marco" <marcomels@h_tmail.com> wrote in message
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> Marco
>
*** I thought you were doing a post about Dresses! :-< Where did you get
idea from earlier posts about 'boys taking over the thread'. Except for
Malcolm and I, so far as I can see there are no Other, boys on the thread,
and if Malcolm hadn't taken an (incorrect) shot at Tegretol not being a good
Medication, *I wouldn't have posted here.
I didn't realize that 'Marco' was a woman's Id. I'm pretty sure Dona
is, so except for M and I you are still 'gender pure ' if that was your
desire. /G.


gaross

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May 30, 2004, 11:04:03 AM5/30/04
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"M" <> wrote in message news:0tR1sKA5...@mtdomain.demon.co.uk...
> gaross <> wrote
> >"M" <> wrote in message
G. I don't have any side effects. That's why I have to keep Re-Posting
here (I just did a *new Repeat type one Sun.AM having forgotten I had done
2-3 on this thread Sat. night, since they didn't show up while I was
online.)
There are people who get reactions to Many of the Anti Ep Drugs, but the
fact that someone (1) has had a bad experience or reaction to it, is not
sufficient reason to Ban ALL USE of it.
If that were the only Criteria to allow a Medication, we'd be Back at
Dousing or Burning at the Stake for cures. G./


gaross

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May 30, 2004, 11:21:17 AM5/30/04
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"Dona" <mont...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I talked to my neurologist. He's not real enthusiastic about the idea, but
> he does admit that the tonic-clonic was 99% surely a reaction to the
Paxil.
>
> He gave me a big prescription to Xanax for taking if a set of the simple
> partials hit. If I do get one and take a couple of doses of Xanax it seems
> to stop the cluster in its tracks.

**G* That's good to have. I had finally got Ativan (Lorazepam) sublingual
after a couple of severe Complex Partial seizures (affect Temporal Lobes in
my case).
Having it with me gave me less Fear of a Surprise Seizure and more
Control when the few I had, moving toward full control, still produced
Auras that warned me one might be on the way.
Without it (Lorazapam), at the time, I was afraid to go out far,
without fear that a Surprise Seizure might hit and I'd wake up in Emerg.,
instead of on a bus, on the way home...
It helped me get the last 10% of control, as we fine-tuned the
Medications levels. G./


>
> The memory problems on the Zonegran are getting pretty bad, I mean things
> like does the red light mean go or stop, which is the quarter and which is
> the dime, where am I going, and dear God where do I live.

**G* ARE Above Memory Symptoms from the Zonegran (do you think? I don't
know). MY Memory problems were from Damage to my Right Temporal Lobe-- if
Either of those (Temporal Lobes) are damaged and the Source of where the
seizures start from, *that would affect Memory learning and functions,
without it being the *medication.
(I've seen Tonic Clonic included sometimes within Complex Partial type
szrs. and other times in Grand Mal, but if you're getting more Complex
Partial type auras as you get nearer control, some of the same Memory
Problems during the szr. or between seizures might be related to Temporal
Lobe firings? or mis-firing?)

Maybe there are other places where the Memory thing is as profoundly
affected.
I had been under the impression that a lot of my Memory Things (which
predated my seizures by 14 years), were Not (at first) related to the
Seizures I was having, but because of the older Encephalitis Damage that I
had already adjusted to from 1979 to 1993. G/

Dona

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> **G* ARE Above Memory Symptoms from the Zonegran (do you think? I don't
> know). MY Memory problems were from Damage to my Right Temporal Lobe--
I'm hoping with all my heart that the memory problems are from the Zonegran,
and will go away after I stop.


gaross

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May 30, 2004, 1:09:41 PM5/30/04
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I'll try find some of the 'other' websites I've found over last ~5 years
about Temporal Lobe Seizures. I'll post them Here, unless you want me to cc
them to you too.
The Temporal Lobes are the 'short term memory buffers' of the brain.
New learning, what we just read, and recent stuff goes into those (2) lobes.
Then longer term Learning and Memories get moved off to Longer Term Memory
if they're 'important' (don't touch that hot stove, check for traffic at
street corners, etc.). Less important stuff -- the sky was clear today,
just like yesterday-- I turned the TV on this morning, I sneezed when I
went outdoors, etc... Stuff that happens but that might not be of Long Term
*use get discarded either while we're ''Online" (awake) or as we're Offline
(while we're asleep, and in various of the dream states.
IF the Short term stuff "6x8 is 48" Doesn't get stored to the longer
term 'buffers', we'll have trouble learning e.g. Mathematics. Studying
for School or College can get interfered with because of problems like that.

That's why I wondered from your Earlier notes (and some from others too),
if we might be Blaming a Pill or Treatment for a condition that is Really
Part of the Source of the Seizures, and not (necessarily) the Fault of the
Pills.
(Note *I* haven't used Zonegran -- but maybe someone Else HERE can give
us information on that?)

I've used Dilantin for 1-2 years, Tegretol CR from 1994 to Now, and
Frisium (Clobazam) was added with Reduced Tegretol CR about 1995/6 when
Tegretol alone stopped giving me the Full Control I had from 1993-5.
In MY case I think the Frisium was relatively Recent in Canada Approvals,
while Tegretol in various types is about 40? years old. I think they're
even using it now for some Heart and Stroke patients since some of the
things it controls seems to help some of them too.)

But I wondered if the Memory thing *might not be so much from a
particular pill, but from the source of the seizures. There might be
Something on Zonegran under http://efa.org website that has a Medications
Website. Others have posted some other sites that also describe Medicine
Side effects etc. And your Pharmacy might be able to give you the www
address of the Maker of the Zonegran, where any possible side effects, or
things 'to watch for' might be listed. Hope that helps, some. G.R.

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Dave 忽帕

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May 30, 2004, 2:15:29 PM5/30/04
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Howdy Dona!

I dun'no about the rest of the guys out there, but I druel all over the
floor when I see Elvira!

We ARE talking about the same "Elvira" aren't we (Elvira, mistress of the
night -- the lady in black)?

'Course... I've always had a thing for black comedy and downbeat stuff. (I
even prefer the minor keys when it comes to music!)

Sigh... maybe it's just my medications...

--
Dave 忽帕
http://www.howdydave.com


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Unknown

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>The Temporal Lobes are the 'short term memory buffers' of >the brain.
>New learning, what we just read, and recent stuff goes >into those (2)
>lobes.

[...]

>That's why I wondered from your Earlier notes (and some >from others
>too), if we might be Blaming a Pill or Treatment for a >condition that is
Really Part of the Source of the >Seizures, and not (necessarily) the
Fault of the Pills.

so, are temporal lobe seizures the only ones having influence on memory?
blaming a pill maybe often seems the first good explanation - which may
turn out as no *good* explanation at all. i havn't even considered, that
my memory and concentration problems might have something to do with the
seizures or the source of the seizures.

Raist

Dona

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May 30, 2004, 4:49:24 PM5/30/04
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Well, it's over. I got through it. My ex-husband has changed so much from
the man he used to be, it's horrible. I'd much prefer hating him over
feeling sorry for him.

My 8-month pregnany ex-cousin started having contractions, and for a bit
there we thought she might be having the baby in the middle of the luau.

And I swung back and forth from feeling foxy to feeling like a little girl
playing dressup, waiting for Mommy to yell at me for getting into her
makeup.


gaross

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There might be some cases where a particular treatment might affect
memory.

And I don't know much (anything) about whether other Parts of the Brain
can have affects or either Short Term or Longer term memory. I DO know (I
think!) that if the effects are Only on Short Term learning or Memory, that
that's often caused in a different part of our Brain than if the effects are
on Longer Term Memories or Learning that we might have had Before the
seizures started. (E.G. Miss Main was my Grade 3 Teacher, Mr. Evans Grade
6. But if I got a series of words or numbers during some of my 'Psych
Tests' and was asked to either repeat them, or (*worse) Repeat them in
Reverse order, of 5 numbers or words, I'd end at the second one.)
Your earlier posts and a few others? had posted wrt. seizures starting in
the Temporal Lobes. My Seizure Focus is the Right T.Lobe, and that's where
most of the auras etc. described on the http://efa.org and links from Dave
or Julie's sites match what I experienced from 1993-7+
If you can't find much under Temporal Lobe Seizures, try Complex Partial
Seizures. The First name there was the older term that is now often grouped
inside the types of seizures included in the Second one. While some of the
Temporal Lobe Seizures can just start and include an Aura and then pass,
Before they're more fully controlled, most of them progress (generalize) and
can lead to loss of Awareness or Consciousness. Many of mine (1995-7) I
could wander off, potentially into danger, or do strange things (like
boarding a bus I didn't need!!).
I *think some of the other seizure types might include those types of
'strange' behaviours, but Many are specific to one of the Main seizure
types. So by looking at our reactions during a seizure, in front of a
Flashing light, or Sounds at varying frequencies, the Doctors can often tell
where the likely source (focus) is of a particular seizure.
Once a Location of the Seizure Focus is found, different treatments or
medications might be used. One that might work for a Grand Mal type might
or might not work for our Complex Partial or Simple Partial seizure types.

At my worst (even before some of the seizures started, but after
Encephalitis I had in Right Temporal Lobe), I couldn't follow simple
instructions or use the bus I'd used for 4 years, without having written
instructions to follow. After some time (months to years) and once seizures
started and were treated, I was able to recall more and more of the short
term memory types of things I had lost originally. But much of the 1980s
to mid 1990s are lost in the Fog of Forgetfulness, if that's a term. G./


Dave 忽帕

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May 30, 2004, 9:20:23 PM5/30/04
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Howdy Dona!

There's always at least one shoulder here for you to cry on (if you ever
feel so inclined!)

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Marco

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gaross wrote:
> "Marco" <marcomels@h_tmail.com> wrote in message
> *** I thought you were doing a post about Dresses! :-< Where did
> you get idea from earlier posts about 'boys taking over the thread'.
> Except for Malcolm and I, so far as I can see there are no Other,
> boys on the thread, and if Malcolm hadn't taken an (incorrect) shot
> at Tegretol not being a good Medication, *I wouldn't have posted here.
> I didn't realize that 'Marco' was a woman's Id. I'm pretty
> sure Dona is, so except for M and I you are still 'gender pure '
> if that was your desire. /G.

Sorry, I did not read carefully before posting. Just ignore the one I
posted.

Take care.

Bye,
Marco


M

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Dave 忽帕 <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote

>Howdy Dona!
>
>There's always at least one shoulder here for you to cry on (if you ever
>feel so inclined!)

Two. There's one over here.


--
Malcolm 55.25

M

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gaross <gar...@rogers.com> wrote

>> Oh, I don't deny that the Tegretol / benzo combination works. But do you
>> like the side effects? Quality of life and I'm prepared to take the
>> chance.
>> --
>> Malcolm
>>
>G. I don't have any side effects. That's why I have to keep Re-Posting
>here (I just did a *new Repeat type one Sun.AM having forgotten I had done
>2-3 on this thread Sat. night, since they didn't show up while I was
>online.)
>There are people who get reactions to Many of the Anti Ep Drugs, but the
>fact that someone (1) has had a bad experience or reaction to it, is not
>sufficient reason to Ban ALL USE of it.
> If that were the only Criteria to allow a Medication, we'd be Back at
>Dousing or Burning at the Stake for cures. G./

Erm, who said *anything at all* about banning it? Somehow I seem to have
lit your fuse. I wonder why?

I'm not the only person experiencing side effects with Teggies, or there
wouldn't be such a list on the inserts. If my former consultant (now
chairman of the NSE) said the meds contribute to the memory loss /
drowsiness / fatigue, I'm inclined to believe him (for once). But then
we all believe what we want to believe.

All I say is "Why take it if I don't need it anymore?"
--
Malcolm 55.5

Raistlin

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>And I don't know much (anything) about whether other Parts >of the Brain
>can have affects or either Short Term or Longer term >memory.

hmm. you make me think of a theory here ... the focus of my simple
partials is my language center (or some place near it. however, my
language is affected while i am having my simple partials). it *could*
mean, that the linguistic input i get during a seizure is disturbed and,
thus, not properly processed. and stuff that isn't properly processed
can`t be put into memory, right? the tricky thing about my simple partials
is, that i often don't realize them although i'm fully conscious in this
time. ok, this might be a wild and completely wrong theory ;-).

>I *think some of the other seizure types might include >those types of
>'strange' behaviours, but Many are specific to one of the >Main seizure
>types. So by looking at our reactions during a seizure, >in front of a
>Flashing light, or Sounds at varying frequencies, the >Doctors can often
>tell
>where the likely source (focus) is of a particular seizure.

they never did that with me. maybe because they seemed quite sure, that my
focus is in the area, where they did the surgery.

>Temporal Lobe Seizures can just start and include an Aura >and then
pass,
>Before they're more fully controlled, most of them >progress
(generalize)
>and
>can lead to loss of Awareness or Consciousness. Many of >mine (1995-7)
I
>could wander off, potentially into danger, or do strange >things (like
>boarding a bus I didn't need!!).

i have the habit of doing nothing during my partials. then, again, they
are simple, not complex.
does it happen, that there is more than one focus for partials? i have
experienced such, that influence my language and such, that have motoric
effects (shaking of my right arm). i'm fully aware in both cases. each has
a typical pattern. the only similarity of them is, that they tend to
generalize and end up in a tonic-clonic.
on occations, when i show strange behaviour (acting like in trance,
realizing what is going on, but not being able to do anything about it; a
state that i'm usually in for several hours)i blame it on the pills -
sometimes the easiest explanation saves you from thinking too much about
all the stuff ;-).

Raist

gaross

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"Raistlin" <raistli...@mail.com> wrote in message
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> >And I don't know much (anything) about whether other Parts >of the Brain
> >can have affects or either Short Term or Longer term >memory.
>
> hmm. you make me think of a theory here ... the focus of my simple
> partials is my language center (or some place near it. however, my
> language is affected while i am having my simple partials). it *could*
> mean, that the linguistic input i get during a seizure is disturbed and,
> thus, not properly processed. and stuff that isn't properly processed
> can`t be put into memory, right?
**G I don't know which part of the Brain controls Linguistics. Is that one
of the things where some people have more dominance w. language from One
side or the other, like artistic talent, right or left handedness etc.?
(that was thinking out loud -- well in text actually, just Seemed out
loud... :-< )
On some of the stuff I wrote earlier, reason I identified the Temporal
Lobes as some people's potential Seizure Focus, was that some of the posts
seemed to suspect that the Pills were affecting their Memory or Learning,
and since I had the Memory loss and Short Term learning of new things First
(in 1980) long before the Seizures (1993), I had wondered if some of the
'side effects' that seemed to be being blamed as possibly from 'the pills',
might really be from the Area where the Seizures were occurring.
There might be some research or articles within the http://efa.org
site within Simple Partial Seizure articles. My impression was the S.P.
ones were just like an Aura? where the sensation happens -- taste, odour,
disorientation? but the person comes 'back' without *loss of consciousness
(i.e. **lying on the Floor, as opposed to being Temporarily Away -- with an
Absence Seizure) ?
The reason the S.P. ones were scary for me (at the time), was that was
Phase 1 of a 2-3 step process that I didn't have any Control over, and the
Aura (dizzy, start of disorientated feeling, lemon taste or odour, blurred
vision), was followed within 3-5 minutes by my moving into 'The Twilight
Zone' when my Complex Partial Seizure generalized and spread to the rest of
my brain... Only as I got nearer to full control (2-3 years after onset),
was I able to 'come back' by people around me learning how to talk 'quietly
to me' or guide me to somewhere safe as I came back.
Usually when people either panicked (I'd heard) or reacted aggressively
to 'contain me', did I have more severe reactions and become more
belligerent. In None of those latter cases did I recall any of what
happened except for the first ~30 seconds as it started. *Some of that
made it more difficult (for me) to learn how to Manage my own Healthcare and
Learn better long term methods that worked. /G.

the tricky thing about my simple partials
> is, that i often don't realize them although i'm fully conscious in this
> time. ok, this might be a wild and completely wrong theory ;-).

**** If you haven't looked too, at site above or others, sometimes there's
information under Absence Seizures that are really part of Simple Partial
Seizures, but that might apply also.
(I've had lots of those both while uncontrolled but also as I got nearer
full control. I STILL sometimes find notes that I wrote while 'away'
that would make Picasso proud!! The writing and scribbling was Clearly not
controlled or had no purpose -- like documented a Power Overload that was in
progress. Those were disappointing and very scary for me at first, until I
realized what they were but Moreso as I had Less of those as we got closer
to a Medications Balance that worked for me. Last S.P. I had like the
Picasso notes was during some televised stuff from inside Iraq that was on
CNN one afternoon. That was late last year (about October?) /G.


>
> >I *think some of the other seizure types might include those types of
> >'strange' behaviours, but Many are specific to one of the Main seizure
> >types. So by looking at our reactions during a seizure, >in front of a
> >Flashing light, or Sounds at varying frequencies, the Doctors can often
tell
> >where the likely source (focus) is of a particular seizure.
>
> they never did that with me. maybe because they seemed quite sure, that my
> focus is in the area, where they did the surgery.
>
> >Temporal Lobe Seizures can just start and include an Aura and then pass,
> >Before they're more fully controlled, most of them progress (generalize)
and
> >can lead to loss of Awareness or Consciousness. Many of mine (1995-7)
I
> >could wander off, potentially into danger, or do strange >things (like
> >boarding a bus I didn't need!!).
>
> i have the habit of doing nothing during my partials. then, again, they
> are simple, not complex.
> does it happen, that there is more than one focus for partials?

***G* I don't know. Maybe someone else 'here' knows, or there might be
more information on the Ep. Foundation website (above). /

Unknown

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>I don't know which part of the Brain controls >Linguistics. Is that
>one
>of the things where some people have more dominance w. >language from
One
>side or the other, like artistic talent, right or left >handedness etc.?

as many functions, liguitic abilities are laterized. almost all
right-handers (~95%) and over half (~60%) left-handers have their language
represented in the left hemnisphere. it's interesting that ~20% of the
left-handers have their language represented *bilateral*. this rarely (or
never) is the case with right-handers.
i think i recall, that there are three language areas: broca's area in the
frontal lobe, the store for language production. the second is wernicke's
area in the parietal lobe. here is the store for interpreting auditory
speech. the last is the angular gyrus which is some kind of "in between"
of the parietal, temporal an occipital lobes and associates information
from them.
i never thought i could make use of this knowledge after the class ...


>The reason the S.P. ones were scary for me (at the time), >was that was
>Phase 1 of a 2-3 step process that I didn't have any >Control over, and
the
>Aura (dizzy, start of disorientated feeling, lemon taste >or odour,
blurred
>vision), was followed within 3-5 minutes by my moving >into 'The
Twilight
>Zone' when my Complex Partial Seizure generalized and >spread to the
rest
>of my brain...

they are the ones that scare the hell out of me, because i can see what is
happening, but i can't do anything about it.

>My impression was the S.P.

>ones were just like an Aura? where the sensation happens ->- taste,


odour,
>disorientation? but the person comes 'back' without *loss >of
consciousness
>(i.e. **lying on the Floor, as opposed to being >Temporarily Away --
with
>an Absence Seizure) ?

my neuro calls some of my simple partials also "focal-motoric-seizures".
these SP don't feel like an aura at all, though they can generalize (they
rarely do). the other type of SP "only" affect my language, though they
sometimes become an aura. then everything happens quite the way you
discribed it. strange sensation, sliding away - until the lights are
switched off.
however, they are still "deciding" which type/types i actually have, so
don't ask more from me than i can give ;) they *tell* me these are SP -
but who knows, maybe it's high blood pressure next week ;))

Raist


Mary Fisher

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> >
> > Anybody else here hair disasters? I'm hoping I can find a way to blame
this
> > on epilepsy.

A bit late, this, but here's my story.

Firstly, I'm a Yorkshire Tyke - the definition of a Yorkshireman is a Scot
with the generosity squeezed out. That must remembered when - if - the
following is read.

I had a brain scan on a Friday morning. On Saturday evening we were invited
to dinner with my publisher. I dressed appropriately (insofar as I can, I'm
no fashion plate) and coloured my hair using one of the several bottles I'd
bought to store.

On Monday the surgeon rang to invite me for brain surgery on Tuesday. I
went. They said Id have to have my head shaved - well of COURSE I'd need my
head shaved. I was doing some odd things but I could still work that out.

When I came round, with tubes everywhere, only half my head was shaved - the
one with the staples in it, the other half was covered with matted, bloody,
sweaty hair. I protested and asked why. I was told that they didn't think
I'd want all my hair off.

I mean, as if I'd want to walk around with half a head of hair!

So I insisted that the rest was shaved off. The nurse who did it couldn't
understand why I wanted all my lovely dark curls (natural, uncontrollable
curls) off.

I looked at the floor and saw all those lovely curls. My only thought was:
"That cost me £3.99".

The other stored bottles are still in the bathroom cupboard - 3 x £3.99 =
???

MALCOLM!!!

What's 3 x £3.99?

Mary
>


Mary Fisher

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"Dave 忽帕" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
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> Howdy Dona!
>
> I dun'no about the rest of the guys out there, but I druel all over the
> floor when I see Elvira!
>
> We ARE talking about the same "Elvira" aren't we (Elvira, mistress of the
> night -- the lady in black)?

To me Elvira is my next door neighbour, very short and very fat and older
than me.

The only other Elvira I know of is the heroine of Don Giovanni.
>
Mary


Mary Fisher

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"Dave 忽帕" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
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> Howdy Dona!
>
> There's always at least one shoulder here for you to cry on (if you ever
> feel so inclined!)

I don't think she needed that, she sounded extremely self confident, just as
I'd expect!

Mary

Mary Fisher

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> I talked to my neurologist. He's not real enthusiastic about the idea, but
> he does admit that the tonic-clonic was 99% surely a reaction to the
Paxil.
>
> He gave me a big prescription to Xanax for taking if a set of the simple
> partials hit. If I do get one and take a couple of doses of Xanax it seems
> to stop the cluster in its tracks.
>
> The memory problems on the Zonegran are getting pretty bad, I mean things
> like does the red light mean go or stop, which is the quarter and which is
> the dime, where am I going, and dear God where do I live.

That could be just advancing years, dear.

Believe me ... I'm not on any of those things and I get confused ... can
only tell the difference between Dave and Malcolm by their accents. Which is
which I'm not sure ...

Mary
>


Dona

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> To me Elvira is my next door neighbour, very short and very fat

That's probably closer than Dave's vision.


Dona

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What do you write Mary?


Dave 忽帕

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Howdy!

The Elvira I'm thinking of is a US phenominon.

I THINK she started out in California...

Everybody out there in cyberland know "The Addams Family"? Think of
Morticia! (sp?)

Elvira is a sexy, slinky, full-busted, hour-glass figure, seductive female
with long black hair who wears a VERY tight, low cut, full length black
dress.

She was a hostess for horror movies on TV. Elvira gave the phrase "woman of
the night" a whole new meaning!


"Dona" <mont...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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M

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Mary Fisher <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote

>Believe me ... I'm not on any of those things and I get confused ... can
>only tell the difference between Dave and Malcolm by their accents. Which is
>which I'm not sure ...

That's OK.
If you're face blind you can't tell the difference anyway, can we?

If you're ever in any doubt Mary, I'm the one who will gently take you
by the hand and lead you wherever you want to go without question,
judging or patronisation.

Dave's the ugly one.
--
Malcolm

gaross

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"Dave 忽帕" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
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> Howdy!
> The Elvira I'm thinking of is a US phenominon.
>
> I THINK she started out in California...
>
> Everybody out there in cyberland know "The Addams Family"? Think of
> Morticia! (sp?)
>
> Elvira is a sexy, slinky, full-busted, hour-glass figure, seductive female
> with long black hair who wears a VERY tight, low cut, full length black
> dress.
>
> She was a hostess for horror movies on TV. Elvira gave the phrase "woman
of
> the night" a whole new meaning!

**G* "Elvira, Queen of the Night! ** (Woman of the night might not be what
she intended, so much as what you might have dreamt! :-< after the
Program. )

Daz_n_Pat

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>
> "Dave 忽帕" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
> news:9CQvc.1158$9W5...@news01.roc.ny...
> > Howdy!
> > The Elvira I'm thinking of is a US phenominon.
> >
> > I THINK she started out in California...
> >
> > Everybody out there in cyberland know "The Addams Family"? Think of
> > Morticia! (sp?)
> >
> > Elvira is a sexy, slinky, full-busted, hour-glass figure, seductive
female
> > with long black hair who wears a VERY tight, low cut, full length black
> > dress.
> >
> > She was a hostess for horror movies on TV. Elvira gave the phrase "woman
> of
> > the night" a whole new meaning!
>
> **G* "Elvira, Queen of the Night! ** (Woman of the night might not be
what
> she intended, so much as what you might have dreamt! :-< after the
> Program. )
>


Yes, now that you mention dreaming after the show, I remember her. Oooh, she
was yum.


Mary Fisher

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"Dave 忽帕" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
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> Howdy!
>
> The Elvira I'm thinking of is a US phenominon.
>
> I THINK she started out in California...
>
> Everybody out there in cyberland know "The Addams Family"? Think of
> Morticia! (sp?)

Ah! You're talking television!

I HAVE seen the programme but only once. We don't have a television ... live
under a stone/in the real world [depending on how you see things :-) ]


>
> Elvira is a sexy, slinky, full-busted, hour-glass figure, seductive female
> with long black hair who wears a VERY tight, low cut, full length black
> dress.

Oh! That's ME!!!
>
[are you there, Malcolm???]

Mary


Mary Fisher

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"M" <webm...@need.to.remain.anon> wrote in message
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Ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh!


>
> Dave's the ugly one.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooh!!!!

Mary
(remember, I've seen his picture - do you have a website???)


Dave 忽帕

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"M" <webm...@need.to.remain.anon> wrote in message
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Howdy!

Much as I hate to disagree with my 'good buddy' Malcom... I'm the handsome
lad who you will remember long after you've forgotten all about Malcom.

This is basically due to the fact that when I give you a kiss in the
darkness there's a good chance that my handlebar moustache will get hooked
in your nose - thus making romantic encounters with me more memorable.

Dave 忽帕

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"Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Howdy Mary my sweet!

I know that it's you...
Only problem is that you are a bit remote from my shire!

Guess I'll have to let Malcom enjoy the exquisite delicacies and bask in the
resilient sunshine that only the UK has to offer! :(

Dave 忽帕

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> Dave ŠżŠŹ
> http://www.howdydave.com
>
>

I know it sounds kinda' corney, but you don't think that I could have
dreamed something like that up unless it had happened (more than once) do
ya'?

BTW: In addition to all of the symbolism that was later read into it, she
got quite a thrill out of it too!

--
Dave ŠżŠŹ
http://www.howdydave.com

Dona

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You found symbolism in getting your mustache stuck in a girl's nose?

Before this goes any further, I think we should take a newsgroup vote on
rather we want to hear this story or not.

Malcolm, M and Darryl can't vote.


Mary Fisher

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"Dave 忽帕" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
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> "Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> >
> Howdy Mary my sweet!

<comes over all of a doo dah ... >


>
> I know that it's you...

Who else?

> Only problem is that you are a bit remote from my shire!

Oh.

Bugger.


>
> Guess I'll have to let Malcom enjoy the exquisite delicacies and bask in
the
> resilient sunshine that only the UK has to offer! :(

OK, your loss.

The weather here is glorious. I'm glad I had the presence of mind to install
water butts to save the rain so that I can keep the greenhouse saladings
healthy ...

Oh damn! Being sensible again :-(

Mary

Mary Fisher

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"Dave 忽帕" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
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I'm used to face fungus. I'll send you a picture of my Other Malcolm ...

Far better than a scratchy shaved skin ...

Mary

Mary Fisher

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"Dave ©¿©¬" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
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> "Dave ©¿©¬" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
> > Dave ©¿©¬

> > http://www.howdydave.com
> >
> >
>
> I know it sounds kinda' corney, but you don't think that I could have
> dreamed something like that up unless it had happened (more than once) do
> ya'?
>
> BTW: In addition to all of the symbolism that was later read into it, she
> got quite a thrill out of it too!

She???

WHO???

Show me the bitch!!!!!!!!!!!

Mary
>
> --
> Dave ©¿©¬
> http://www.howdydave.com
>
>
>


Mary Fisher

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"Dona" <mont...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<all together?

OH YES WE CAN!
>
>


Dave 忽帕

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Howdy Dona!

Don't worry, that's as far as I intended to take it!

Another GREAT setup that you're just letting pass! :(

Geez... with all of the folks around here who have seizures, I thought that
at least a few would appreciate black and blue humor!

Dona

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> Geez... with all of the folks around here who have seizures, I thought
that
> at least a few would appreciate black and blue humor!

So you had a seizure while your handle bar mustache was stuck up this poor
girl's nose? OH MY GOD! The mind pictures.


Dave 忽帕

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"Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Howdy Mary!

Kinda' slow on the pickup there Mary... I'm not talking about the weather,
I'm talking about YOU!!!!

Then again... maybe that wiley female guile is just trying to get me to come
straight out and say what a wonderful young lady she is. Geez... girls
don't appreciate poetry no more!

WATER BUTTS??? Don't let Lisa hear ya' talkin' like that!

BTW: Lisa hasn't been here in ages! Guess she's out doing summer
performances, eh?

For those of you who don't know Lisa, check out her site:

http://menageriemusic.com/

Dave 忽帕

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"Dona" <mont...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Howdy Dona!

No worries...

Moustache wax is a wonderful thing!

Mary Fisher

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"Dave ŠżŠŹ" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
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> "Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:40c0df0b$0$22311$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net...
> >
> > "Dave ŠżŠŹ" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message

> > news:5x4wc.1220$mZ7...@news01.roc.ny...
> > > "Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > >
> > > Howdy Mary my sweet!
> >
> > <comes over all of a doo dah ... >
> > >
> > > I know that it's you...
> >
> > Who else?
> >
> > > Only problem is that you are a bit remote from my shire!
> >
> > Oh.
> >
> > Bugger.
> > >
> > > Guess I'll have to let Malcom enjoy the exquisite delicacies and bask
in
> > the
> > > resilient sunshine that only the UK has to offer! :(
> >
> > OK, your loss.
> >
> > The weather here is glorious. I'm glad I had the presence of mind to
> install
> > water butts to save the rain so that I can keep the greenhouse saladings
> > healthy ...
> >
> > Oh damn! Being sensible again :-(
> >
> > Mary
> > >
> Howdy Mary!
>
> Kinda' slow on the pickup there Mary... I'm not talking about the weather,
> I'm talking about YOU!!!!

er - but you talked about resilient sunshine - is it a languge problem
again?

<sigh>


>
> Then again... maybe that wiley female guile is just trying to get me to
come
> straight out and say what a wonderful young lady she is. Geez... girls
> don't appreciate poetry no more!

I do.

I do.

See - that thymes!


>
> WATER BUTTS??? Don't let Lisa hear ya' talkin' like that!
>
> BTW: Lisa hasn't been here in ages! Guess she's out doing summer
> performances, eh?
>
> For those of you who don't know Lisa, check out her site:

NO!

I'll not admit any competition.

Hrumph.

Mary
>
> http://menageriemusic.com/

Dave 忽帕

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"Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave ŠżŠŹ" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
> news:JB4wc.1222$xK7....@news01.roc.ny...
> > "Dave ŠżŠŹ" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
> > > Dave ŠżŠŹ

> > > http://www.howdydave.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I know it sounds kinda' corney, but you don't think that I could have
> > dreamed something like that up unless it had happened (more than once)
do
> > ya'?
> >
> > BTW: In addition to all of the symbolism that was later read into it,
she
> > got quite a thrill out of it too!
>
> She???
>
> WHO???
>
> Show me the bitch!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Mary
>

Sorry my dear... but discression is the better part of valor don'cha know!

Besides, I'm not the kind to kiss and tell. (Well... I don't tell too much
anyway!)

Mary Fisher

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"Dave 忽帕" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
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I make it.

:-)

But I don't use it - before anyone suggests such a thing ...!

Mary

Dave 忽帕

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"Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Howdy Mary!

Ya' don't know what you're missin'!

She does some WONDERFUL English folk music!

Mary Fisher

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"Dave ©¿©¬" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
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> "Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:40c0df7b$0$22308$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net...
> >
> > "Dave ©¿©¬" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
> > news:JB4wc.1222$xK7....@news01.roc.ny...
> > > "Dave ©¿©¬" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
> > > > Dave ©¿©¬

> > > > http://www.howdydave.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I know it sounds kinda' corney, but you don't think that I could have
> > > dreamed something like that up unless it had happened (more than once)
> do
> > > ya'?
> > >
> > > BTW: In addition to all of the symbolism that was later read into it,
> she
> > > got quite a thrill out of it too!
> >
> > She???
> >
> > WHO???
> >
> > Show me the bitch!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Mary
> >
>
> Sorry my dear... but discression is the better part of valor don'cha know!
>
> Besides, I'm not the kind to kiss and tell. (Well... I don't tell too much
> anyway!)

Unless it involves moustaches and noses ...

I remember kissing a boy in the park. He wore glasses, I was wearing
sunglasses (well I was a TEENager!) and they locked.

A few years ago I met him again, he's a headmaster. He remembered too ...

Mary Fisher

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"Dave ©¿©¬" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
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> "Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:40c0e46d$0$22310$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net...
> >
> > "Dave ©¿©¬" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message

> > news:oq5wc.1226$Z8....@news01.roc.ny...
> > > "Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:40c0df0b$0$22311$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net...
> > > >
> > > > "Dave ©¿©¬" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message

Oh. Folk music isn't my scene ... but I'm very happy for you!

Mary

Hrumph.
>
> --
> Dave ©¿©¬
> http://www.howdydave.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


Dave 忽帕

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"Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave ŠżŠŹ" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message

> news:0z5wc.1228$OW7...@news01.roc.ny...
> > "Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:40c0df7b$0$22308$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net...
> > >
> > > "Dave ŠżŠŹ" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
> > > news:JB4wc.1222$xK7....@news01.roc.ny...
> > > > "Dave ŠżŠŹ" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
> > > > > Dave ŠżŠŹ
> > Dave ŠżŠŹ
> > http://www.howdydave.com
> >
> >
Howdy Mary!

Glasses, eh?

My orthadontist told me that he had a couple of kids who came into his
office one time...

They were kissing in the park and their braces got stuck together. Now THAT
must have been a sight!

Mary Fisher

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"Dave ŠżŠŹ" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > I remember kissing a boy in the park. He wore glasses, I was wearing
> > sunglasses (well I was a TEENager!) and they locked.
> >
> > A few years ago I met him again, he's a headmaster. He remembered too
...
> >
> > Mary
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dave ŠżŠŹ
> > > http://www.howdydave.com
> > >
> > >
> Howdy Mary!
>
> Glasses, eh?
>
> My orthadontist told me that he had a couple of kids who came into his
> office one time...
>
> They were kissing in the park and their braces got stuck together. Now
THAT
> must have been a sight!

Now, how on Earth could that have happened? I mean, they'd have had to have
their mouths open ...

Mary
off to bed
with Spouse

M

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Mary Fisher <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote

>
>"M" <webm...@need.to.remain.anon> wrote in message
>news:+t23cLAc...@mtdomain.demon.co.uk...

>> Dave's the ugly one.


>
>OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooh!!!!
>
>Mary
>(remember, I've seen his picture - do you have a website???)

Yes thanks.
--
Malcolm

Mary Fisher

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"M" <webm...@need.to.remain.anon> wrote in message
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er?

Didn't I make myself clear?

Do you have a website which includes your picture? It would be nice to know
what you look like too :-)

Mary
> --
> Malcolm
>


M

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Mary Fisher <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote

>er?
>
>Didn't I make myself clear?
>
>Do you have a website which includes your picture? It would be nice to know
>what you look like too :-)
>
>Mary

Yes, but it's come in for a bit of flak because I'm colour-blind and
some people have said it's too vivid and difficult to read. Who cares -
it's my web-site and it's set up for my high res monitor as well.

I was working on it until I got made redundant last year, but since then
I've been too busy moving and decorating and starting a new job that I
haven't got round to doing anything to it, si it's very OOD.

There's a picture of a frog on www.mtdomain.demon.co.uk, so that will
do.

BUT.........

I'VE FINISHED MY REPORTS AND I NEVER WANT TO SEE AN UNFIXED TEXT BOX
EVER AGAIN IN MY LIFE!!!!! The school report template is for MS Word
(not my favorite) and the textboxes seem to work like hyperlinks - hit
the wrong bit of the box and the box shoots off to another part of the
file and takes an hour to navigate it back. I ended up using the report
writing program I made, saving them in ANSI using Textpad and pasting
them in with added comments. PAIN!

So now I'm off to eat a megagiant strawberry from my garden, as I've
kept it as a promised present for just this moment :P

--
Malcolm

Mary Fisher

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"M" <webm...@need.to.remain.anon> wrote in message
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> Mary Fisher <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote
>
> >er?
> >
> >Didn't I make myself clear?
> >
> >Do you have a website which includes your picture? It would be nice to
know
> >what you look like too :-)
> >
> >Mary
>
> Yes, but it's come in for a bit of flak because I'm colour-blind and
> some people have said it's too vivid and difficult to read. Who cares -
> it's my web-site and it's set up for my high res monitor as well.

I'm prepared to give it a try ...


>
> I was working on it until I got made redundant last year, but since then
> I've been too busy moving and decorating and starting a new job that I
> haven't got round to doing anything to it, si it's very OOD.
>
> There's a picture of a frog on www.mtdomain.demon.co.uk, so that will
> do.

No it won't.


>
> BUT.........
>
> I'VE FINISHED MY REPORTS AND I NEVER WANT TO SEE AN UNFIXED TEXT BOX
> EVER AGAIN IN MY LIFE!!!!! The school report template is for MS Word
> (not my favorite) and the textboxes seem to work like hyperlinks - hit
> the wrong bit of the box and the box shoots off to another part of the
> file and takes an hour to navigate it back. I ended up using the report
> writing program I made, saving them in ANSI using Textpad and pasting
> them in with added comments. PAIN!
>
> So now I'm off to eat a megagiant strawberry from my garden, as I've
> kept it as a promised present for just this moment :P

Enjoy!

Truly an even to be celebrated. I think I'll open a bottle of bubbly and
raise a glass to you :-)

Mary
anything for a reason to celebrate!
>
> --
> Malcolm
>


Marco

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Mary Fisher wrote:
>> There's a picture of a frog on www.mtdomain.demon.co.uk, so that will
>> do.
>
> No it won't.

There is a fairy tale about a frog and someone kissing the frog then the
frog became a prince or princess and they lived happily ever :-)
--
Take care.

Bye,
Marco


Mary Fisher

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"Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "M" <webm...@need.to.remain.anon> wrote in message
> news:qE8i2NA3...@mtdomain.demon.co.uk...

> >


> > There's a picture of a frog on www.mtdomain.demon.co.uk, so that will
> > do.
>
> No it won't.

I went to it and found you. The Real You (I hope).

<swoon>

Mary


Marco

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You did kiss the frog picture on your own computer screen, didn't you?? :-)

Mary Fisher

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> Mary Fisher wrote:
> >> There's a picture of a frog on www.mtdomain.demon.co.uk, so that will
> >> do.
> >
> > No it won't.
>
> There is a fairy tale about a frog and someone kissing the frog then the
> frog became a prince or princess and they lived happily ever :-)

NO! Really?

Well I never did :-)

Mary
(the frog was a handsome prince who'd had a spell put on him, the spell was
broken when the princess kissed him - I don't need to kiss Malcolm to make
him handsome, it might turn him toadwise ... )

Mary Fisher

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I've been working with computers since the time you never touched a screen
or it would be damaged. So no, I didn't.

Mary

M

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Marco <marcomels@h_tmail.com> wrote

>Mary Fisher wrote:
>>
>> I went to it and found you. The Real You (I hope).
>>
>> <swoon>
>>
>> Mary
>
>You did kiss the frog picture on your own computer screen, didn't you?? :-)
>
Give her time Marco. She's got to clean the keyboard up first :)

--
Malcolm

Dave 忽帕

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"Marco" <marcomels@h_tmail.com> wrote in message
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Don't forget the other 2 fairy tales:

In one the princess turns into a frog herself!
In the other the princess gets warts on her lips!

Mary Fisher

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"Dave 忽帕" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
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Those were obviously American frogs. Americans don't have princesses - oh
yes they do of course! Honey princesses, peach princesses, Internet
princesses ...

:-)

Mary

Mary Fisher

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"M" <webm...@need.to.remain.anon> wrote in message
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I admit to drooling :-)

Mary
>
> --
> Malcolm
>


Daz_n_Pat

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> This is the eve a big family get-together involving my ex and the small
> troll he lives with. And no, I'm not bitter.
>
> I have decided to color and streak my hair this evening. As I write I
smell
> horrendously and am getting vibes that I am probably going to end up
> seriously regretting this.
>
> I remember once as a young teen dying my light brown hair blond-blond and
> ending up this fluorescent orange (this was long before it was considered
> cool).
>
> Anybody else here hair disasters? I'm hoping I can find a way to blame
this
> on epilepsy.
>
>

Hi Dona,

I'm normally dark brown, almost black haired. Tonight I just had my wife dye
my hair blonde and now she is asking my permission to get some dye to colour
my hair back to it's normal shade. It's VERY blonde.
Don't know why I coloured it....mid life crisis? Blame it on the epilepsy I
think might be a good idea.

Darryl.


Mary Fisher

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I like the idea of it. Trouble is, in UK, you'd possibly get unwelcome
approaches in public lavatories ...

Mary
>
> Darryl.
>
>


Cows Moo

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Orange skunk stripe w/peroxide in early 80's, kinda new wave, kinda punk,
kinda stupid.

Mary Fisher

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"Cows Moo" <cow...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Orange skunk stripe w/peroxide in early 80's, kinda new wave, kinda punk,
> kinda stupid.

Sounds good to me. I like coloured hair.

I particularly like very blonde short hair on black people and pale blue
curls on anyone.

Mary
>


M

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Mary Fisher <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote
>

>I particularly like very blonde short hair on black people and pale blue
>curls on anyone.
>
>Mary
>>

That's a blue rinse, I assume?
--
Malcolm

Mary Fisher

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"M" <webm...@need.to.remain.anon> wrote in message
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No. I haven't seen one of those for very many years.

I mean the sky blue which several young people sport.

Mary
> --
> Malcolm
>


M

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Mary Fisher <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote

>
>"M" <webm...@need.to.remain.anon> wrote in message
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>No. I haven't seen one of those for very many years.


>
>I mean the sky blue which several young people sport.

Oh, the Sky Blue Movies Channel! I don't have Sky, and I'm not into
sport, but I've heard about it.

Can't someone put a parental lock on your TV to stop you watching it?

--
Malcolm

Mary Fisher

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"M" <webm...@need.to.remain.anon> wrote in message
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Malcolm, I don't watch television.

Why?

We don't have a television.

When we did have a television it was a 14" screen, monochrome and we could
get four channels. We had it for about three years before we realised that
we hadn't watched it for months and were paying the licence for nothing.

£28 for nothing for a Tyke is unacceptable!

Mary
>
> --
> Malcolm
>


Mary Fisher

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"Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Malcolm, I don't watch television.
>
We don't read newspapers either.

We live under a stone - it could explain a lot!

Mary


turbinado

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Hey, I had that too! Age 18, 1983.

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