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Poettttt

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I am just real curious, to see who is a leftie, and who is a rightie....
plus I thought this could be fun, a fun thread, and as so many of us are
struggling so hard.... no better remedy, imho, than *fun*.

I am left-handed. I never was called nor called myself a "southpaw", I
always thought of it as "being a leftie".

I went to a Catholic school for kindergarten, and I do remember the nuns
trying to switch my handedness from left to right. They'd take the pencil or
crayon out of my left hand, and put it into my right. Of which, then I'd put it
back into my left hand, and proceed on with work or coloring in a coloring
book.

They tried to change my handedness, but I was never punished for my
left-handedness.

Who's next? Even if ambidextrous, spill your beans here! lol.

love to you all,

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unfold?
Because the lovely little flower is free
Down to its root, and in that freedom
bold."

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Emily

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Sarah

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Ambidextrious. Sarah

Justice - When you get what you deserve
Mercy - When you don't get what you deserve
Grace - When you get what you don't deserve

"Hunger hurts but starving works when it costs
too much to love........"

ClixPix

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Predominantly right-handed, but actually can and do use my left hand for
some things as well, so I veer on the edge of ambidexterity.

--Connie

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--Kandis Elliot


:O) Stephie ;-)

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Rightie here! :-)
Stephie
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Adagio

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I am right-handed but I use both hands well for playing piano, typing,
knitting and crocheting.

aimee...@my-deja.com

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Yuppers...I am pretty versatile and an artist myself.
I Can write with both. When I broke my right arm I got real
good at writing with my left. But the onset of my writing skills would
be "Right handed".

AIM :)

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Lesleymo

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Right - definitely - even when i'm playing the piano, my left hand is just
spazzy!
-Mo

Allison

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I'm left ahnded and they they tried to get me to switch to. Someone once told
me that it is because of some medieval superstition that being left-handed is a
sign of the devil or summut. Huh?
Dance like there's no tomorrow
Dance when the music's ended
Dance at midnight with the blinds closed, lights off, music up, and no-one
watching
Most of all, dance

kal

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> Who's next? Even if ambidextrous, spill your beans here! lol.
>
> love to you all,

Emily, What a fun post. I needed some fun today.

I am left handed, though I can do many things better with my right, like
throwing a ball, batting, catching, etc. I was the only leftie in my
family, so I had righties teaching me to do things their way. Also, I am
dyslexic, so I tend to do things basacwards anyway. Maps are totally
confusing. uhggg. Whos next? Take care. Love Kal


Jessica MacMullin

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I am a righty, but have noticed I am becoming more of an ambi each day.
Maybe it has something to do with being a waiter for years, or maybe because
in my art therapy journal I do a lot of left handed writing and
drawing????????

Artemis

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Poettttt wrote:
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> I am just real curious, to see who is a leftie, and who is a rightie....

Mildly right-handed. I do a lot of things left-handedly, and my mom
and both my sisters are left-handed (I was a minority!).

> I am left-handed. I never was called nor called myself a "southpaw", I
> always thought of it as "being a leftie".

Cool :-) I have a big soft spot for "lefties," and always notice them,
in real life, TV, movies, and even cartoons! (Unfortunately you can't
count on cartoons for consistency.)

Hey, you know, there are left-handed smilies --

:-) this is right-handed
(-: this is left-handed

So we can even tell your handedness on usenet if you want us to!

Artemis -- who grew up using left-handed scissors
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Umber

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Righty Here.
But always wanted to be a lefty, felt like it was soo unique/special. So I
practiced for a long time how to write with my left hand, never really got
great at it, and so ofcourse quit. :)

Umber

I want to make sure that I havn't drifted off into some solitary paranoid
fantasy system of my own unfounded and idiosyncratic invention...I'm just
trying to maintain a viable relationship with reality.

Poettttt

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you guys are *great*, you have me laughing out loud here in the middle of
the night! Umber practicing leftiness and then giving it up, (you are **too**
dear, Umber, I swear you make my heart hurt sometimes, too good stuff, you
are....) and Mo, sweet Mo, left-hand spazzy, I laughed so hard, that word
itself, "spazzy", is so comical to me, always has been; made me also remember
eigth grade when it was *the word*.

And the rest of many of you, are ambi! I always thought *that* was way too
cool.

There have been studies done, on handedness, and so far they have no
definite data, only theories, as to why a person is left or right handed. And
with these scientific studies, it has been found that many people have skills
that are both leftie and rightie. Some of you have mentioned some, like
throwing a ball or batting, typing, knitting/crocheting, playing piano, an
instrument, even a person's eyes and legs are rightie or leftie.... one prone
to be used more than the other, like your eyes, or like your legs, say, if a
kickball came flying at you, the leg that would come into motion to kick it
back, without pre-thought, could be the left or the right, regardless of ones
handedness.

As for eyes, one way to tell is if like me, your need corrective help. I
wear contacts, and I'm left-eyed, too-- the prescription in my left eye is
worse than the one for my right. I use mt left eye more.
Another way to figure it out: lol. without thinking, RIGHT NOW, "wink" at me!

Which eye do you use to do that, without prethought?

(Hey Bella, I can't snap my fingers with **either hand**, there *I* am a spaz!)

What I remember most about being leftie as a child, is that a neighbor
trying so hard how to teach me to crochet, couldn't. She kept saying that she
had to do each step she did, as a rightie, backwards in order to show me, a
leftie.

**** And ouch big ouch! What I remember most is rightie scissors, and that
big deep red indentation they'd make across the skin at the root of ones thumb!
Youch!

I too am the only leftie in my "family".... if you've read my posts
before, and in that, having some idea of my f**ked up family, that's what I
remember the most: being relieved that I was leftie, and all of them
weren't.... like some sort of sign, like a "thank you God! I'm not like them!"
sort of thing.

Allison, yes, going back in time, left handedness was supposed to be a
sign of the devil, evil.

And Jess, why is that a technique, to draw with your other hand, from the
one you usually use? I remember when I was inpatient, they had us write or
draw, in art therapy, with the opposite hand.... supposed to unlock the child
inside, through the effort and the clumsiness. But I'm real curious, about what
you wrote.


This *is* fun fun fun! More more more, who's next? More!

xoxo,

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Jessica MacMullin

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poet...@aol.com wrote on 12/10/00 7:34 PM:


>
> And Jess, why is that a technique, to draw with your other hand, from the
> one you usually use? I remember when I was inpatient, they had us write or
> draw, in art therapy, with the opposite hand.... supposed to unlock the child
> inside, through the effort and the clumsiness. But I'm real curious, about
> what
> you wrote.
>
>

Hey Emily,

I am so glad to hear you are having some fun with this and other threads.
I agree that we all have needed a bit of a laugh, so I am working on some
new material to try out on you all - Jessica the pitiful comic!!!!!!!!!

Anyway -
In regard to the art therapy journal.

I have found it to be amazing!!!!!
I make sure I am at a really peaceful part of the day (or at least the most
peaceful I get), and then choose a work page to work from.

I have a beautiful black hard cover journal made up of acid-free art paper,
in which I write the date and the name of the exercise on a fresh page each
time.

The exercise asks you to mediate on a specific topic for about 5 minutes,
and see how your body, soul, self, etc. feels about the topic.
Then I take out my coloured pens and pencils of all thicknesses, and just
see what comes out.

After I feel I have finished, I then read the questions in the work book,
and try and understand what I have drawn, or written.
I try to write about how I feel in response to what has come out of my
subconscious - sometimes it's scary, sometimes it's very exciting, sometimes
I find I am angry without being consciously aware, sometimes I feel sad
because the drawings reveal pain I am not aware of.

In regard to the left handed thing - or non-dominant hand, many of the work
book pages require a certain exercise to be done with one hand, and then
with the other, or with both hands at the same time.
I have found that much of my left handed drawing and writing reveals the
subconscious side of my persona - the feelings I am not aware of, and often
the voice of a very young girl.

I am often shocked to read back what I have written with my non-dominant
hand, It feels very odd.

I wonder if anyone else has any experience with non-dominant hand writing,
drawing, or any understanding of how it works??????

Anyone????

Wishes of a Sweet Day to you, and all,
I am almost off to bed - an early night for me I hope!!!!!
Love, Peace and Light,
Jessica.


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Im basically right handed but as a kid i had an aunt that taught me to
crochet and she taught me left handed so i crochet left handed. ive
tried to make my self do it right handed and i cant :-) Habbit i
suppose.
Jackie


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Allison
smile, my sister in law is left handed, she tells me that left handed
people are the only ones in their right mind :-) ::giggle::
Jackie


Tia

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predominantly right handed/right sided physically but i play pool lefty
style-heck if i know....i shoot left handed?"7 ball in the corner
pocket"-:)tia

"I'm in the front row-
the front row,with popcorn-
I get to see you-
see you,close up."Alanis Morissette


Poettttt

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{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Jackie}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Long time since I've been able to give you big bear hugs!

I know what you mean about crocheting leftie.... when I learned to, since
the rightie neighbor showing me kept finding it confusing, I ended up just
watching her do it rightie, and then I backwards, so to speak, the moves and
kept trying until I had gotten it down leftie.

I am as close as a person could get, I'm sure, in being overwhelmingly
leftie for *everything*, and actually I never really thought about the fact
that many people do this or that rightie or leftie, regardless of their
specific handedness for writing.

It amazes me, reading these replies. I *never* use my right hand, always
left for anything, from catching to throwing to writing to drawing, left eye is
dominant, left leg, etc. So much so, that to borrow Mo's word that cracks me
up, *I* am a *spaz* with my right hand for *anything*. I mean *anything*.

Not like I'm walking around with a monkey arm or anything, meaning, not
noticeable in general to people but my left arm is bigger than my right,
musculature and the size of my fingers, from using the left hand/arm so much. A
ring that fits on any finger of my right hand, won't fit on the same finger of
my left hand.

sending you love and big "hello, I back!"s

Poettttt

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Hey you all, left or right, {{{{both armed hugs}}}} ased sweeties!

There are theories, all different ones. That left handers are right
brained, that left handedness is a consequence of trauma in the womb, and such
"trauma" resulting in a raise of testosterone levels, and causing a "deviance"
from "normal" handedness (right-handedness--some consider the human being
pre-wired for right-handedness, naturally....)

Some studies show lefties live shorter lives than righties, this
scientifically unproven belief based upon being a leftie in a rightie world,
and esp. when one is left-handed and male, because, stereotypically, the male
being "more likely" to be using "tools", mostly rightie tools, the theory is
that they are more likely to chop off a limb, etc. etc. die or maim
themselves.... yada yada yada.

Who's next? I'm lovin this thread, I like knowing these sorts of things
about people, esp. being my friends! I mean, how can I not know something so
basic and real as what hand you use, you know? lol.

love to all,

Nikki

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The left sideof my body is weaker than the right, but I can use both hands for
things, even writing, although I do most things with my right hand. However, I
was born with an eye defect and am legally blind in my left eye...the stronger
right eye does all of the work. My right leg is also stronger, I remember doing
side splits, and I could do them with my right leg in front, but not my left
leg. The left leg always was in back. In ballet, I favored my right leg. When I
played softball, or stickball (a common neighbrohood game when I was a child),
I played as a leftie.

Nikki
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awake in the night... the barrier and blockades that keep me safe and in
control while I pretend that I am okay... "
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Kevin K

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On 11 Oct 2000 20:08:25 GMT, poet...@aol.com (Poettttt) wrote:

>
>
> I am just real curious, to see who is a leftie, and who is a rightie....

>plus I thought this could be fun, a fun thread, and as so many of us are
>struggling so hard.... no better remedy, imho, than *fun*.

I hold the fork with my right hand, except when I'm cutting food --
then I hold it with my left hand, and the knife with my right hand (I
find it *handy* that way).

When I'm done cutting, I put the knife down with my right hand and
transfer the fork from my left hand to my right hand (but first I eat
the last thing I was cutting using my the fork in my left hand). This
is, of course, unless I need my right hand for a spoon and I'm in a
big hurry in which case I keep the fork in my left hand, but only if I
had previously been cutting food with it. Otherwise my left hand
would remain empty. (dooon't get me started on salad forks and dinner
forks!... trust me).

When I'm eating Chinese food at home I use chopsticks with my right
hand, and scoop the rice from the rice bowl into my mouth
Chinese-style (but only if the rice is sticky or if I want to impress
someone with my chopstick dexterity). If I'm eating Chinese in public
at a restaurant that would be too messy so I hold the chopsticks in my
left hand and push the rice into the spoon in my right hand (unless
I'm in Hong Kong, then I follow tradition).

I guess that means I'm ambidextrous, at least when I'm eating.

Kevin
keeping things simple.....


Lea15

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half of me is right-handed and the other half left. i'm a righty but got equal
number of parts that think the right hand is their spare one. i can't use my
left for anything other than typing and playing the piano.

Sunshell92

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hi jess and emily
i do left hand journaling and drawing. oddly i started a few years back as an
accident. th enight before going inpatient at river oaks, i was packing and
fell down the stairs with the suitcase in my left arm. my right arm shot out
and broke in four places. so i went inpatient only able to use my left
the theory is, that using the left hand taps a different part of the brain
which stores memory and also creativity.

shell

Sunshell92

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this is kind of an extra little trivia fact
me, i am a rightie
did gymnastics as a rightie
however, if you watch olympic gymnasts they are almost always left
so i did an experiment in my gym. took two preschool classes to develop into
team members. ahd them over a five year period each wtih me being the only
coach, so no outside influences in their coachign
one group i trained as lefties , all of them
one group i trained their natural style, left or right
same age, same training'
the lefties excelled

Brigid73

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I'm right handed only, now.

I used to be able to do some stuff pretty well with my left hand, but then I
severed a tendon and some nerves in my left thumb, and pretty much lost the
edge that an opposable thumb gives you.

So now I'm just a righty.

brigid

Artemis

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Poettttt wrote:

> Some studies show lefties live shorter lives than righties, this
> scientifically unproven belief based upon being a leftie in a rightie world,
> and esp. when one is left-handed and male, because, stereotypically, the male
> being "more likely" to be using "tools", mostly rightie tools, the theory is
> that they are more likely to chop off a limb, etc. etc. die or maim
> themselves.... yada yada yada.

I found this at http://www.left-handed.com/faq.htm

> Q13. Do Lefties die younger than right-handers?

> Stanley Coren, who is the author of "The Lefthander Syndrome" found
> statistical evidence of this, and didn't believe it for the longest
> time. However, he remains unable to disprove it. He was able to
> demonstrate a possible reason for this might be that a left hand
> startle reflex would be much more dangerous when driving a car on
> US or Canadian road since the car would end up pointing against
> traffic while a right hand startle reflex would simply cause the
> car to drive of the road.
>
> As a double check, Coren did find a statistical difference in left
> handed traffic fatalities in countries where they drive on the left,
> such as Great Britain or Australia.

Artemis -- who knits left-handedly and crochets right-handedly

fke

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righty...

except that, for some unknown reason,
i can only chop wood, use a chainsaw, and play hockey left-handed;
and bat ambidextrous.


fke

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On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:47:15 -0500, Kevin K <trustp...@aol.com>
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>I hold the fork with my right hand, except when I'm cutting food --
>then I hold it with my left hand, and the knife with my right hand (I
>find it *handy* that way).
>
>When I'm done cutting, I put the knife down with my right hand and
>transfer the fork from my left hand to my right hand

kevin
this reminded me..
once, long ago, i used my left hand to eat even though im
right-handed...
it used to slow my intake and make me more aware of what it was i was
doing.
frequently, there's dissociation when i eat...as if eating is a
necessary evil.


Kevin K

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On 13 Oct 2000 08:25:06 GMT, msjake@thisplace (fke) wrote:

>frequently, there's dissociation when i eat...as if eating is a
>necessary evil.

Good insight. I dissociate a lot I think. Well, off to work, don't
want to be late (esp. on the day my trimester review is!!).

Kevin

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right handed!!! :)

though my left hand has some training from playing the violin for 20
years.


my mom's a leftie, as is my father-in-law!

- dolphin

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poet...@aol.com (Poettttt) wrote:
>
>
> I am just real curious, to see who is a leftie, and who is a
rightie....
> plus I thought this could be fun, a fun thread, and as so many of us
are
> struggling so hard.... no better remedy, imho, than *fun*.
>

> I am left-handed. I never was called nor called myself a
"southpaw", I
> always thought of it as "being a leftie".
>

> I went to a Catholic school for kindergarten, and I do remember
the nuns
> trying to switch my handedness from left to right. They'd take the
pencil or
> crayon out of my left hand, and put it into my right. Of which, then
I'd put it
> back into my left hand, and proceed on with work or coloring in a
coloring
> book.
>
> They tried to change my handedness, but I was never punished for
my
> left-handedness.


>
> Who's next? Even if ambidextrous, spill your beans here! lol.
>

> love to you all,


>
> "How does the meadow-flower its bloom
> unfold?
> Because the lovely little flower is free
> Down to its root, and in that freedom
> bold."
>
> Wordsworth
> A Poet! He Hath Put His Heart To School.
>
> Emily
>


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Kevin wrote:

>I hold the fork with my right hand, except when I'm cutting food --
>then I hold it with my left hand, and the knife with my right hand (I
>find it *handy* that way).
>
>When I'm done cutting, I put the knife down with my right hand and

>transfer the fork from my left hand to my right hand (but first I eat
>the last thing I was cutting using my the fork in my left hand).

This is the way most Americans eat, especially "righties," and it is the way
they have been taught to use their silverware...it is not related to
ambidexterity. Actually, what this style of handing the silver doing is
transferring the tools so that one can use the stronger, dominant hand to do
the task (ie, cutting with the knife while the fork is held in the other
hand and doesn't need to be as strong). The fork holds the food which is
being cut in position as the knife is manipulated with the stronger right
hand.

True ambidexterity is when someone uses both hands nearly equally as well in
performing tasks such as writing, drawing, painting, or handling tools. It
is usually an inherited trait (I got mine from my grandfather).

--Connie
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Jess
Where can I get an art therapy journal? Is this something that you were
given by your therapist? It sounds cool :-) I've had to do a
few artistic things for my therapist but it is hard for me to just sit
down and create, this sounds
like something that is right up my alley. My therapist likes to read
artistic work (I suppose that you would call it reading) more or less
tells her a little more about me and then she explains what she sees to
me... OHHH MYYY am i making since here? I've had to do a collage <sp>I
dont think she expected such a large one :-) I did it with magazines and
water color and pictures. I was honored when she asked if she could
keep it for a while to use in come classes she speaks to other
therapists about eating disorders.
I got a sketch pad, colored pencils, colored pens, and i LOVE stickers
:-) Ash has a blast in my sticker box :-) My therapist is also a
sticker person she keeps a basket of stickers. I have stickers all over
my journal folder that she has given me and tells me why she chose that
certain sticker for me on that day. It always has something to do with
that days session or something i have worked through (I think that is a
neat idea) :-)
I also like doing crafty things.
Jackie


Becca

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LOL, I took a class from Dr. Stanley Coren a couple of years back. He was
hilarious. He's the one who wrote the book on the intelligence of dogs, and has a
new one out called something like _Dog Speak_ .

And yes he talked about his left-handed studies in class.

becca

Kevin K

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On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:41:10 GMT, "ClixPix" <cli...@cox.rr.com>
wrote:
.....

>True ambidexterity is when someone uses both hands nearly equally as well in
>performing tasks such as writing, drawing, painting, or handling tools. It
>is usually an inherited trait (I got mine from my grandfather).
>
>--Connie

Oh darn, I'm probably not ambidextrous then. I suppose I'm not
amphibious either! :-)

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. I
don't do either lol.

Kevin

Becca

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Kevin,

You crack me up. Just what I need before bed.....a *smile* I sure do appreciate
your humour!

good night,

becca

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Oct 13, 2000, 11:15:10 PM10/13/00
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Hey Poet- Can my furry pooch "Peachie" count in the poll?
She is a leftie. When I ask her to give me five she gives me her left
the majority of the time. :o)

Woof!

Aimee ;o)

Tia

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Oct 14, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/14/00
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but do you waddle like a duck?lol-tia:)

kal

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Oct 14, 2000, 8:44:07 PM10/14/00
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Poettttt <poet...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20001012060436...@ng-ca1.aol.com...
> As for eyes, one way to tell is if like me, your need corrective
help. I
> wear contacts, and I'm left-eyed, too-- the prescription in my left eye is
> worse than the one for my right. I use mt left eye more.
> Another way to figure it out: lol. without thinking, RIGHT NOW, "wink" at
me!
> Which eye do you use to do that, without prethought?
>

Hi Poettt! My left eye, definately.

> **** And ouch big ouch! What I remember most is rightie scissors, and
that
> big deep red indentation they'd make across the skin at the root of ones
thumb!
> Youch!

I became really good at folding and cutting the paper. I rarely use
scizzors to this day. I'd much rather fold and rip! But what about those
manual can openers. Ever notice they are only for right handers?

>
> I too am the only leftie in my "family".... if you've read my posts
> before, and in that, having some idea of my f**ked up family, that's what
I
> remember the most: being relieved that I was leftie, and all of them
> weren't.... like some sort of sign, like a "thank you God! I'm not like
them!"
> sort of thing.


When My brothers would tease me about being adopted or something, I would
think "maybe I am. Wonderful! I'm not one of them and I'm the only leftie
to prove it."

Love Kal

Sunshell92

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Oct 14, 2000, 11:14:35 PM10/14/00
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>>frequently, there's dissociation when i eat...as if eating is a
>>necessary evil.
>

i use b/p as a manner of dissociating. i think its how i can go ten to fifteen
hours b/p wihtout breaking down. it numbs me physically and emotionally

shell

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