Psychiatric Disorders and its symptoms that Dyslexia can be mistaken for
Raymond
I feel that mental health professionals can misdiagnose people at
times, and they certainly misdiagnosed me! I want to show you the
characteristics of some psychiatric disorders that Dyslexic symptoms
can be mistaken for. I believe that many mental health professionals
label Dyslexics without getting to know them. They just go by
appearances, but as you know, appearances can be deceiving. Dyslexics
are a true paradox. Only a very understanding,perceptive,and
broadminded mental health professional can distinguish a Dyslexic from
a mentally ill person. I do believe that Dyslexics can have mental
illnesses, but some of the mental illnesses and their symptoms can
actually be symptoms and experiences of Dyslexia that include low self
esteem, anxiety,depression, insecurity,feelings of worthlessness,
left/right confusion, slowed reaction time, deficits in the perception
and processing of external stimuli,
phobias,irritability,impulsiveness, problems with concentration or
mind going blank,distractibility, fear of being
evaluated,hypersensitivity to criticism,very sensitive to
environmental circumstances,easily moved to tears,often loses
temper,is often touchy or easily annoyed by others, views self as
socially inept, and other things. I know about these things personally
because I am a Dyslexic who has been unfairly and prematurely labeled
by others for having the previously mentioned symptoms.
I was formerly diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder, and now I am diagnosed
with Mixed Anxiety Depressive Disorder which is being treated with St
John's Wort and Valerian Root. I feel that the latter diagnosis was
the correct one because I didn't feel that I fit the former diagnosis.
I thank God with all my soul that I finally found a mental health
professional who listened to me when I told her, "mental health
professionals seeing my anxiety as mania is like the normal kids
seeing my learning disability as mental retardation when I was a kid
in special ed....they didn't take time to know me....they just judged
me by the outside". I thanked her for being sensitive enough to
listen to me and give me some consideration. Because of her, I don't
feel so ashamed nor do I feel that I am a freak. Nonetheless, I
strongly believe that my Mixed Anxiety Depressive Disorder resulted
from my experiences as a misunderstood highly sensitive multiethnic
Dyslexic who has strong feelings of failure,inadequacy,being
misunderstood,insecurity,and most of all - being stupid. Instead of
feeling sorry for myself and being a victim, I want to help other
Dyslexics to be understood. We, Dyslexics, don't have to be failures
for we have the potential to be very successful and can make a
positive difference in the world. We shouldn't let others put us down.
I don't believe that we have to take their crap, and so we should
stand our ground and fight back by proving them that they are wrong.
Most of all, we should not be ashamed of ourselves. Let us hold our
heads up high in pride.
Please understand that Dyslexia is not just a severe reading disorder
characterized by reversals. It is a syndrome of many and varied
reading and non-reading symptoms that have to do with
reading,writing,spelling,math,grammar,speech,direction,time,concentration,activity,behavior,temper,
impulses,memory,balance,coordination,psychomatics,self-esteem,phobias,responses
to external stimuli,sensory information, mood,and obsessions. A lot
of these fit under Developtmental Coordination
Disorder,Dyspraxia(coordination and perceptual problems),
ADHD/ADD(attention and hyperactivity problems),Asperger's
Syndrome(some say high functioning autism,pervasive developmental
disorder,emotional blindness), and Sensory Integration Dysfunction
Disorder(inability to correctly process information brought in by the
senses,difficulty responding to certain sensory information) which are
very often are in comorbidity with Dyslexia, and so they are highly
suspected to be part of the Dyslexic Syndrome. My own symptoms fall
under Developmental Coordination Disorder,Dyspraxia,ADD/ADHD,Sensory
Integration Dysfunction Disorder,and Dyslexia.
These are the basic abilities that all Dyslexics share:
they can utilize the brain's ability to alter and create perceptions
they are highly aware of the environment
they are more curious than average
they think mainly in pictures instead of words
they are highly intuitive and insightful
they think and perceive multi-dimensionally(using all the senses)
they can experience thought as reality, and they have vivid
imaginations.
I find Ronald D Davis' definitions of Dyslexia ,Disorientation,
Confusion, and Conceptualization are very interesting. All these have
always been my issues too.
Dyslexia: a type of disorientation caused by a natural cognitive
ability which can replace normal sensory perceptions with
conceptualizations; reading, writing, speaking, or directional
difficulties which stem from disorientations triggered by confusions
regarding symbols. Dyslexia stems from a perceptual talent.
Disorientation: the loss of one's position or direction in relation to
other things; a state of mind in which mental perceptions do not agree
with the true facts and conditions in the environment; in some people,
this is an automatic response to confusion. During a disorientation,
the perceptions are altered.
Orientation: putting oneself in the proper position in relation to the
true facts and conditions; a state of mind in which mental perceptions
agree with the true facts and conditions
Confusion: an overwhelming feeling of blankness. Confusion causes
disorientation in dyslexics.
Conceptualization: an image, idea, thought or concept that is created
in the mind; the act of mentally creating something. Conceptualization
occurs in the mind.
Here are a couple of poems that I wrote to express my feelings of
being a Dyslexic:
YOU PUT ME DOWN
I see you ridiculing me
because you think I am a freak.
I say that all this is wrong,
but you continue to put me down.
You call me horrible names
and they hurt me so deeply
that tears trickle down my face,
but you just laugh with no remorse.
It is all a fun game to you
for you enjoy hurting others,
and so you attack those
that are vulnerable.
You are like a ravaging lion
going after its desired prey
and once you get it,
you tear it apart.
You tear me up with your words
which are those of hate and abuse,
and you cut me with no mercy
that my heart aches with shame.
You act like you did nothing wrong
like you never gave anybody trouble
and people refuse to see you
for what you really are.
You are cruel and ruthless.
That is how I see you.
That is what I believe.
Please don't pretend that you aren't.
You have done all that you can
to wound me with your words,
but I am still alive and kicking
even though you still put me down.
POWER TO SUCCEED
I thought things were going to be bad
Then an angel came into my life.
She gave me a vision that I never had.
It had to do with hope and no strife.
I was empowered by this light
that my heart was filled with peace.
I know that my future is bright,
and so now all my sorrows will cease.
I will enjoy life very much
as I chase my never impossible goal
of feeling Success' touch
that will bring peace to my soul.
I can do this with no sweat
because I feel all this power in me
which is something I can't forget
because it was always inside of me
for I had this inner power for so long,
but it was hidden by doubt.
Now I tapped into this energy so strong
that all failure--I cast out.
Psychiatric Disorders and some of their features(From the
DSM-IV....Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Disorders) that
Dyslexic Syndrome and its features can be mistaken for
Mixed Anxiety Depressive Disorder - difficulty concentrating or mind
going blank,fatigue or low energy,irritability,worry,being easily
moved to tears,hypervigilance,anticipating the worst,hopelessness,low
self esteem, feelings of worthlessness
Anxiety Disorder - irritability, restlessness, easily fatigued,
difficulty concentrating or mind going blank, muscle tension, sleep
disturbance
Social Anxiety Disorder - a marked and persistent fear of one or more
social performance situations in which the person is exposed to
unfamiliar or to possible scrutiny by others, the avoidance or
anxious anticipation, or distress in the feared social or performance
situations interferes significantly with person's normal routine,
occupational functioning, social activities or relationships, or there
is marked distress about having the phobia, fear of evaluation,
hypersensitivity to criticism, low self esteem or feelings of
inferiority,
Major Depressive Disorder - feelings of worthlessness,diminished
ability to think or concentrate,or indecisiveness, irritability
Dysthymic Disorder - low energy or fatigue,low self esteem,poor
concentration or difficulty making decisions,feelings of
hopelessness,social withdrawal,subjective feelings of irritability or
excessive anger, difficulty in thinking, reflected by poor
concentration, poor memory,or indecisiveness
Avoidant Personality Disorder - preoccupied with being criticized or
rejected in social situations, views self as socially inept,personally
unappealing,or inferior to others, shows restraint within intimate
relationships because of fear of being shamed and ridiculed, avoid
occupational activities that involve significant interpersonal
contact, fears of criticism,disapproval,rejection
Bipolar Disorder(also known as Manic Depressive Disorder) -
distractibility, more talkative than usual, moodiness, irritability
Schizophrenia - disorganized speech,anxiety,phobias, left/right
confusion, poor coordination, sometimes physically awkward, deficits
in the perception and processing of sensory stimuli, slowed reaction
time
Borderline Personality Disorder - very sensitive to environmental
circumstances,irritability,impulsivity,unstable self image,a pervasive
pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships,self image and
affects
Schizotypal Personality Disorder - odd thinking and speech,pervasive
pattern of social and interpersonal deficits marked by acute
discomfort with and reduced capacity for close relationships, don't
socialize because of not feeling that he/she doesn't fit in
Dependent Personality Disorder - has difficulty initiating projects or
doing things on his or her own because of lack of self confidence in
judgment or abilities rather than a lack of motivation or energy
Oppositional Defiant Disorder - often loses temper,is often touchy or
easily annoyed by others,is often spiteful or vindictive,is often
angry and resentful
Intermittent Explosive Disorder - several discrete episodes of failure
to resist aggressive impulses that result in serious assaultive acts
or destruction of property, the degree of aggressiveness expressed
during the episodes is grossly out of proportion of any precipitating
stressors
Schizoid Personality Disorder - almost always chooses solitary
activities, has little, if any interest in having sexual experiences
with another person, lacks close friends or confidants other than
first degree relatives
Paranoid Personality Disorder - persistently bears grudges, perceive
attacks on his or her character or reputation that are not apparent to
others and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack, is reluctant
to confide in others because of unwarranted fears that the information
will be used maliciously against him or her, is preoccupied with
unjustified doubts about the loyalty or trustworthiness of friends or
associates, has recurrent suspicions without justification,regarding
fidelity of spouse or sexual partner
Obsessive Compulsive Disorder Personality Disorder - recurrent and
persistent thoughts,impulses,or images that are experienced, at some
time during the disturbance,as intrusive and inappropriate and that
cause marked anxiety and distress, preoccupation with
orderliness,perfectionism,and mental and interpersonal control,at the
expense of flexibility,openness,and efficiency
Raymond N. Andrews
Ted Rosenberg
Sorry Raymond
BUT, I think you better go back to your psychiatrist
DYSLEXIA IS SIMPLY A READING DISORDER
AND
has nothing to do with reversals - that is an old wives tale. Dyslexics
are ales simply likely to recognize reversals, so we don't correct them.
AND, despite the tripe that the Davis people come up with, we are NO
more of anything than non-dyslexics - Just only very verbal and
intelligent dyslexias are likely to be diagnosed properly
Raymond
A matter of fact, Dyslexia can cause problems with
speech,listening,and writing. International Dyslexia Organization said
that. I also did have speech problems as a child, and I was in special
ed for them. I also had problems with fine motor skills as a child
too, and a therapist helped me with my coordination. I was also found
to have a high IQ too.
I don't appreciate your telling me to go back to the psychiatrist. I
find that rather rude. Also, Dr Levinson said that Dyslexia is not
just a reading disorder. It wasn't just Davis. The truth is that a lot
of experts disagree about what Dyslexia really is. Nobody has the
complete truth and facts about Dyslexia, and that definitely means YOU
too. Dyslexia has a lot of overlap with ADHD,Dyspraxia,and Sensory
Integration Disorder.
Ray
Ted Rosenberg <tedros...@iname.com> wrote in message news:<3FAAF7F5...@iname.com>...
NatureloverChris
>
>Sorry. I don't agree. Dyslexia is not just simply a reading disorder.
>A matter of fact, Dyslexia can cause problems with
>speech,listening,and writing. International Dyslexia Organization said
>that. I also did have speech problems as a child, and I was in special
>ed for them. I also had problems with fine motor skills as a child
>too, and a therapist helped me with my coordination. I was also found
>to have a high IQ too.
>
I suspect most people here agree that dyslexia is more than just a reading
disorder. I had a variety of coordination problems, and I am mildly autistic
too.
>I don't appreciate your telling me to go back to the psychiatrist.
Most people in this group are nice, give us a chance. Ted is... a bit fixated.
Unfortunately he is very rude and alienates a lot of people. Occaisionally he
has good advice too.
Chris
Leslie Smith
A lot of the things in your list, I also have.People with Dyslexia
many other things going on with them besides the reading and writing
thing. Just like many people "ordinary" people have different things
that defines them up as a person as a whole.
Regards
Leslie...UK:-)
Ted Rosenberg
Dyslexia Society says nothing of a sort
Raymond wrote:
> Sorry. I don't agree. Dyslexia is not just simply a reading disorder.
> A matter of fact, Dyslexia can cause problems with
> speech,listening,and writing. International Dyslexia Organization said
> that. I also did have speech problems as a child, and I was in special
> ed for them. I also had problems with fine motor skills as a child
> too, and a therapist helped me with my coordination. I was also found
> to have a high IQ too.
>
>
> I don't appreciate your telling me to go back to the psychiatrist. I
> find that rather rude. Also, Dr Levinson said that Dyslexia is not
> just a reading disorder. It wasn't just Davis. The truth is that a lot
> of experts disagree about what Dyslexia really is. Nobody has the
> complete truth and facts about Dyslexia, and that definitely means YOU
> too. Dyslexia has a lot of overlap with ADHD,Dyspraxia,and Sensory
> Integration Disorder.
Levinson is an absolute fraud and a quack
AND, you insist on lumping all your problems into dyslexia - when most
of them have NOTHING to do with dyslexia
The truth is that the experts know exactly what dyslexia is, only the
quacks disagree
The truth is the truth, and scammers like Irlen, Levinson, and Davis get
rich off of gullible twits like you
Ted Rosenberg
Dyslexia is a neurological condition affecting reading. That is ALL it
is - no matter WHAT you think.
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"Dyslexia is a specific learning disability that is neurological in
origin. It is characterized by difficulties with accurate and / or
fluent word recognition and by poor spelling and decoding abilities.
These difficulties typically result from a deficit in the phonological
component of language that is often unexpected in relation to other
cognitive abilities and the provision of effective classroom
instruction. Secondary consequences may include problems in reading
comprehension and reduced reading experience that can impede growth of
vocabulary and background knowledge."
Adopted by the IDA Board of Dyslexia, Nov. 12, 2002. This Defination is
also used by the National Institute of Child Health and Human
Development (NICHD).
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To somewhat simplify it, we don't really "read" like noon-dyslexics do.
We look at the symbols, figure out what they sound like, and
interperate the sounds. That takes time, and, unless we have been
taught properly, is VERY difficult.
You have some autism Chris - ever meet a hyperlexic? It is considered
to be a form of autism,, and is the exact reverse of dyslexia - they
READ fine, they have problems converting it to speech. I have a friend
with a hyperlexic son. at 3 1/2 he wasn't speaking yet and they were
worried that he might be retarded. I realized that he was doing a
directory search on his computer for the name of a game he wanted to
play, and, when he got it, he typed the command line in. After that, we
had an idea of the problem and he was properly diagnosed and treated.
The practical definition of dyslexia, used by the courts, is that if
your reading/writing skills, as per standard tests, are at least two
standard deviations less than your verbal skills, and you do not have
any pertinate physical disability (hearing, vision, etc.) then you are
dyslexic - if not, you probably aren't
Alternativly, a PET scan is better proof, but EXPENSIVE !!@!
Incidentally, this means that dyslexics APPEAR to be more intelligent
on balance than non dyslexics. If you are NOT at or above normal in
intelligence, the tests probably won't recognize your dyslexia. Take 2
standard deviations off of someone who's verbal is already 2 standard
deviations below population median, and you get into unmeasurable areas.
NatureloverChris
<Thanks Ted for no e-mailing me too, I much prefer to just get responses in the
group>
>
>Yes, most people here WOULD agree, but that does not make it so.
>
I know, that's why I mentioned it.
>Dyslexia is a neurological condition affecting reading. That is ALL it
>is - no matter WHAT you think.
>
And I disagree, but I'll let more knowledgable people here argue with you if
they want.
>------------------------------------
>You have some autism Chris - ever meet a hyperlexic? It is considered
>to be a form of autism,, and is the exact reverse of dyslexia - they
>READ fine, they have problems converting it to speech. I have a friend
>with a hyperlexic son. at 3 1/2 he wasn't speaking yet and they were
>worried that he might be retarded. I realized that he was doing a
>directory search on his computer for the name of a game he wanted to
>play, and, when he got it, he typed the command line in. After that, we
>had an idea of the problem and he was properly diagnosed and treated.
never met a hyperplexic in real life, only on line. There are some interestinng
similarities and differences.
Natureloverchris
Raymond
Just like Dyslexia is not a mental illness, Dyspraxia,Sensory
Integration Disorder,Asperger's Syndrome are not mental illnesses.
Therefore psychiatrists don't treat Dyspraxia,Asperger's Syndrome, and
Sensory Integration Disorder. I respect all people who have any
learning disability - not just Dyslexia in the narrow sense.
SENSORY INTEGRATION DISORDER
Sensory Integration disorder or dysfunction is a neurological disorder
that results from the brain's ability to integrate certain information
received from the body's five basic sensory systems. These sensory
systems are responsible for detecting
sights,sounds,smell,tastes,temperatures,pain,and the position and
movements of the body. The brain then forms a combined picture of this
information in order for the body to make sense of its surroundings
and react to them appropriately. The ongoing relationship between
behavior and brain functioning is called sensory integration, a theory
that was first pioneered by A. Jean Ayres, Ph.D. , OTR in the 1960s.
According to Sensory Integration International, a non-profit
corporation concerned with the impact of sensory integrative problems
on people's lives, the following are some signs of sensory integration
disorder (SID):
oversensitivity to touch,movement,sights,or sounds
underreactivity to touch,movement,sights,or sounds
tendency to be easily distracted
social and/or emotional problems
activity level that is unusually high or unusually low
physical clumsiness or apparent carelessness
impulsive,lacking in self control
difficulty in making transitions from one situation to another
inability to unwind or calm self
poor self concept
delays in speech,language,or motor skills
delays in academic achievement
While research indicates that sensory integrative problems are found
in up to 70 percent of children who are considered learning disabled
by schools, the problems of sensory integration are not confined to
children with learning disabilities. SID transfers through all age
groups, as well as intellectual levels and socioeconomic groups.
Factors that contribute to SID include: premature birth; autism and
other developmental disorders; learning disabilities; delinquency and
substance abuse due to learning disabilities;stress-related disorders;
and brain injury. Two of the biggest contributing conditions are
autism and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.
Numerous psychogical,psychiatric and neurological disorders appear the
same as sensory integrative dysfunction. These can include
schizophrenia,conduct disorder,depression,attention
deficit/hyperactivity(ADHD),attention deficit disorder(ADD),autism,
(or disorders on the autistic spectrum), pervasive development
disorder (PDD), and Tourette Syndrome.
Many symptoms of sensory integration dysfunction look like symptoms of
common disabilities making it difficult to differentiate one
difficulty from another. Unfortunately, symptoms of SI Dysfunction are
often misinterpreted as psychological problems.
DYSPRAXIA
Dyspraxia is an immaturity of the brain resulting in messages not
being properly transmitted to the body. It affects at least 2 percent
of the population in varying degrees and 70 percent of those affected
are male. Dyspraxia is a disability but those affected do not look
disabled. This is both an advantage and a disadvantage.
These are some of the problems caused by Dyspraxia
Clumsiness
Poor Posture
Walk Awkwardly
Confused which hand to use
Difficulties throwing or catching a ball
Sensitive to touch
Find some clothes uncomfortable
Poor short term memory, they often forget tasks learned the previous
day
Poor body awareness
Reading and writing difficulties
Cannot hold a pen or pencil properly
Poor sense of direction
Cannot hop,skip, or ride a bike
Slow to learn to dress or feed themselves
Cannot answer simple questions even though they know the answers
Speech problems, slow to learn to speak or speech may be incoherent
Phobias or obsessive behavior
Impatience
Intolerance to having hair or teeth brushed, or nails and hair cut
Plasters are too uncomfortable to wear
Not all these will apply to every dyspraxic, and many of these
problems can be overcome in time, but also could be met by more
problems
Older children are usually verbally adept and converse well with
adults. They may be ostracised by their own peer group because they do
not fit in. They may cleverly avoid doing those tasks that are
difficult or even impossible for them.
Dyspraxics can be average to above average intelligence but are often
behaviorally immature. They try hard to fit in to the socially
accepted behavior when at school but often throw temper tantrums when
at home. They may find it difficult to understand logic and reason.
Many parents of normal children will say their children have some of
these problems but if your child is dyspraxic, either diagnosed or
not, you will know the difference between a normal child with any of
these problems and a dyspraxic.
There is no cure for dyspraxia but the earlier a child is treated then
the greater the chance of improvement. Occupational
therapists,physiotherapists,and extra help at school can all help a
dyspraxic child to cope or overcome many difficulties. Sadly, a lot of
the skills that we take for granted will never become automatic to a
dyspraxic and they will have to be taught these skills.
The Dyspraxia Foundation wishes to help all dyspraxics and their
families. We believe that promoting awareness will help diagnosed
dyspraxics to be understood, which will in turn build up their self
esteem. We also know that there are a lot of dyspraxic children and
adults who have gone unnoticed and we desperately want to let them
know that there is a physical reason for their problems, and that they
can get help or just meet and talk with other dyspraxics.
DIFFICULTIES OF DYSPRAXIA:
Planning and movement ( Gross motor skills)
Clumsy gait and movement, difficulty changing direction, stopping and
starting. Poor quality and control of movement
Poor posture,poor muscle tone and strength(especially pelvis and
shoulders - generally floppy) reduced stamina
Overflow and exaggerated accessory movements.
Lack of awareness of body positioning in space.
Late at reaching milestones e.g. sitting,crawling,standing and
walking(might not have crawled at all).
Tendency to fall,trip over and bump into things.
Poor coordination, difficulty riding a bike and driving a car.
Poor balance and body control,difficulty holding a position.
Difficulty with sport,especially bat and ball games,working in teams.
Lack of rhythm e.g. with dancing,aerobics and playing musical
instruments.
Difficulties walking up and down hills.
Hand - eye co-ordination (Fine motor skills)
Lack of manual dexterity e.g. unscrewing things,sewing,locks and
keys,art and craft work,keyboard work,mechanical things,domestic
chores(untidy) and DIY.
Handwriting (poor pen grip, may not finish off words, keep on the line
and/or may press too hard).
Poor personal appearance, difficulties with make-up and doing hair,
shabby clothes, tendency to look messy
Co-ordination problems with eating and drinking
Perception
Poor Perception of messages and difficulty in relating these messages
into actions.
Difficulty following instructions. NOT instinctive: has to be taught
everything step by step.
Little sense of time,direction,speed or weight, poor map reading
Poor laterality and crossing the mid-line - discriminating right from
left.
Overly or unduly sensitive to noise,touch,taste,temperature or light.
Tracking problems - lose place easily when reading.
Language
Late learning to talk, continuous talking, repetition, clumsy immature
speech, uncontrolled pitch and volume
Thought and memory
People with dyspraxia may have difficulty planning and organising
their thoughts. They might find it hard to discriminate. They can be
messy and cluttered, unfocused and erratic.
They can have accuracy problems and find it hard to copy and
proof-read. They often have poor memory (especially short-term) and
may keep forgetting and losing things.
They may find it hard to concentrate, only being able to do one thing
at a time. Slow to finish a task if they do at all.
Dyspraxia has links with ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) and
hyperactivity. Dyspraxic people may daydream and wander about
aimlessly.
Many will have dyslexia as well and have problems with
reading,spelling,notetaking,essay writing,and doing maths and
sequencing.
Social and emotional problems
Tendency to be easily frustrated, have emotional outbursts and to be
impulsive. Difficulties with listening, especially in a large group.
May find it difficult to pick up non-verbal signals and judge the tone
or pitch of voice in themselves and others. Can take things too
literally, be tactless, and interrupt, wanting immediate satisfaction.
Can play the clown. Can be slow to adapt to new situations and to
learn new skills.
Can have problems with team work and have a tendency to take evasive
action when they face a difficult situation.
May be insomniac, stressed, depressed, anxious, and indecisive. May
have phobias, fears, and obsessions.
This may lead to a lack of self-esteem and difficulties being
assertive. Can also be individualistic and original.
ASPERGER'S SYNDROME
Main clinical features of Asperger's Syndrome
lack of empathy
naive, inappropriate, one sided interaction
little or no ability to form friendships
pedantic, repetitive speech
poor non-verbal communication
intense absorption in certain subjects
clumsy and ill-coordinated movements and odd postures
Asperger's Syndrome is a variant of autism and a Pervasive
Developmental Disorder. That is, the condition affects the development
of a wide range of abilities. It is not considered as a subgroup
within the autistic spectrum and has as its own diagnostic criteria.
There is also evidence to suggest it is far more common than classic
autism and may be diagnosed in children who have never previously been
considered autistic.
Social behavior social impairment
a. inability to interact with peers
b. lack of desire to interact with peers
c.lack of appreciation of social cues
d. socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior.
non-verbal communication
a. limited use of gestures
b. clumsy/gauche body language
c. limited facial expression
d. inappropriate expression
e. peculiar, stiff gaze
detached from or having difficulty sensing the feelings of others; not
looking at others; the inability to give messages with their eyes; and
coming too close to others. The young child is less aware of the
concept of personal space, and when this is encroached, the degree of
discomfort.
child may lack social and emotional reciprocity
PLAY WITH OTHER CHILDREN
The child does not join in with others and may even panic if forced to
participate in a group. The young child with Asperger's Syndrome does
not seem to motivated or know how to play with other children of their
age so that they are in tune with the social activity. They seem quite
content with their own company.
They are more self-centred than selfish. Some may be observers on the
periphery of social play or prefer to be with much younger or older
children. When involved in joint play, there can be a tendency to
impose or dictate the activity. Social contact is tolerated as long as
the other children play their game according to their rules. Sometimes
social interaction is avoided not simply because of a lack of social
play skills, but because of a desire to have complete control over the
activity.
To include other children is to risk an alternative script,
interpretation or conclusion - that is, you have to share and cope
with different ideas. The child is not interested in doing the
activities other children want to do and is not inclined to explain
whay they are doing. The child appears to play in a bubble and can
resent other children intruding into their activity. When the child
intends to play on their own and other children are inquisitive or
want to be sociable, they can be quite abrupt or even aggressivee in
ensuring their solitude. They often prefer to be left alone to
continue their activity uninterrupted.
There is a strong preference to interact with adults who are far more
interesting, knowledgeable and more tolerant and accomodating of their
lack of social awareness. The child does not see themselves as a
member of a particular group and follows their own interest rather
than that of the other children in the playground or class. They are
not often not interested in competitive sports or team games. The
child can be indifferent to peer pressure for the latest toys or
clothes, is rarely invited to parties and has few genuine friends.
CODES OF CONDUCT
The child with Aspergers' Syndrome does not seem to be aware of the
unwritten rules of social conduct and will inadvertently say or do
things that may offend or annoy other people. Gradually the child
with Asperger's Syndrome learns the codes of social conduct, more by
intellectual analysis and instruction than by natural intuition, They
have to think hard what to do.
EYE CONTACT
Child fails to use eye contact to punctuate key parts of the
conversation. for example when starting their utterance, to
acknowledge praise or interest, seek clarification, to read body
language or to signify the end of the utterance. There is a lack of
eye gaze when the other person is talking. Eye gaze and looking at
people's faces can be extremely difficult for the person with
Asperger's Syndrome.
EMOTIONS
They can be confused by the emotions of others or have difficulty
expressing their own feelings. Although the child with Asperger's
Syndrome usually has a natural symmetry of facial features, during
conversation or when playing with the young child one notices an
almost wooden quality. The child does not display the anticipated
range and depth of facial expression. This can also occur with body
language. Hands may be moved to describe graphically what to do with
objects or express anger or frustration, but gestures or body language
based on an appreciation of another person's thoughts and feelings are
conspicuously diminished or absent. As interaction continues, one is
aware that the child is not recognizing or responding to changes in
the other person's facial expression or body language. Subtle cues
may not be recognized by the child with Asperger's Syndrome. Parents
report that they have to be overly dramatic in their body language,
tone of voice, and facial expression before the child recognizes the
other's person's feelings. Not only are the problems with the
understanding of the emotional expression of others, but the child's
own expressions of emotions are unusual, and tend to lack subtlety and
precision. Older children with Asperger's Syndrome can express simple
feelings but have a particular difficulty with defining and expressing
more complex emotions such as embarrassment and pride.
Raymond
please feel free to email if you want to talk more about alternative
views of Dyslexia or all the learning disabilities are parts of the
Dyslexia Syndrome. Thank You
naturelo...@aol.com (NatureloverChris) wrote in message news:<20031109133255...@mb-m13.aol.com>...
Raymond
I don't appreciate your condescending attitude. I read about it at
another site. They changed the definition. I must have been referring
to definition earlier than 2002. Other sites talk about Dyslexia is
more than just a reading disorder including Singapore Dyslexia
Association. It seems that a lot seem to disagree about what Dyslexia
really is. I also watched something on television about Dyslexia can
be corrected and it can be caught early at the age of 6 yrs old. I
read that Dyslexia can be prevented and that the brains of Dyslexics
can be rewired. I also believe that experts shouldn't isolate the
learning disorders because they often are in comorbididity that the
definitions seem rather redudant. It is like some people list the same
symptoms for ADHD and Dyspraxia. Same with Dyslexia and Dyspraxia.
Same with ADHD and Dyslexia. Same with Sensory Integration Disorder
and all those other symptoms. No wonder people don't agree who are
Dyslexics and who aren't Dyslexics.
Dyslexia is defined by the International Dyslexia Association (2000)
as a "language-based disability in which a person has trouble
understanding words, sentences or paragraphs; both oral and written
language are affected." An earlier definition, formulated by a
dyslexia research committee with the National Institutes of Health
added that the disorder was "characterized by difficulties in single
word decoding, usually reflecting insufficient phonological processing
abilities" that are "often unexpected in relation to age and other
cognitive and academic abilities" (Shaywitz, Fletcher & Shaywitz,
1994).
HERE IS THE URL: http://www.ncapd.org/NEWs/apd_and_dyslexia.htm
They should really make up their mind what Dyslexia is.
The overlapping nature of Dyslexia, Dyspraxia and Attention Deficit
Hyperactivity Disorder is something that has long been recognised.
Recent medical research on causation of the syndromes has shed light
on biological mechanisms, which may account for the overlapping
symptomatology.
http://www.bdainternationalconference.org/presentations/fri_s1_c_6.htm
http://www.durhamdyspraxia.org.uk/dyslexiaetal.html
http://www.gre.ac.uk/students/services/disability/information_dyslexia.html
http://www.dyslexiamylife.org/wb_yahoo_dy.htm
http://www.dyslexiamylife.org/wb_yahoo_dy.htm
Raymond
here some sites on Dyslexia
http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/dyslexia.html
http://www.dys-add.com/symptoms.html
http://www.devdis.com/dyslexia.html
http://www.aowm73.dsl.pipex.com/dyslexics/is_my_child.htm
http://www.dyslexic.org.uk/sensory_factsheet.html
http://wi.essortment.com/dyslexiasymptom_rcie.htm
http://www.nlta.nf.ca/HTML_Files/html_pages/publications/bulletins/may2000/may00dys.html
http://www.partnershipforlearning.org/printarticle.asp?ArticleID=165
http://www.interdys.org/servlet/compose?section_id=5&page_id=58
http://www.channel4.com/life/microsites/D/dyslexia/children.html
Ted Rosenberg <tedros...@iname.com> wrote in message news:<bolkof$1eurjt$1...@ID-144226.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Ted Rosenberg
dealing with this for 60 years
and I have seen quack after quack scam parents of dyslexics
As to the Singapore Dylsexia society - for I all know, they define
dyslexia as people who walk on their hands
Dyslexia is a WRITTEN LANGUAGE disorder that is ALL ir is - it is
NOTHING else.
Dyslexics may have problems because of their inability to read, or
because of their frustration about their inability to read, but that is
secondary.
It is caused by KNOWN neurological patterns, which are usually genetic
in nature, but casn be traumatic. They are NOT psycological.
ADHD, speech disorder, bi-polar, and mopery with intent to gwak, all CAN
be had by a dyslexic, but so can drowning, flu, and ingrown toenail.
NMO treatment works except phonemic awarenes. NO fonts, NO lenses, NO
colors, NO repatterning, NO "supplements", NO scientology training, NO
drugs, NO psychoanalysis......
Just phonics!
You may not be the shill that you sounfd like, and just a patsy who has
read a snake oil salesman's pitch and bought it - BUT, you are WRONG,
and it is NOT a matter of opinion
Ann
> Yes, most people here WOULD agree, but that does not make it so.
Ted
Please see
http://www.bda-dyslexia.org.uk/main/information/parents/p01signs.asp
Signs of dyslexia
Ann
Ann
> Yes, most people here WOULD agree, but that does not make it so.
Also see from the Dyslexia Institute:
Dyslexia causes difficulties in learning to read, write and spell.
Short-term memory, mathematics, concentration, personal organisation and
sequencing may also be affected.
Dyslexia usually arises from a weakness in the processing of language-based
information. Biological in origin, it tends to run in families, but
environmental factors also contribute.
Dyslexia can occur at any level of intellectual ability. It is not the
result of poor motivation, emotional disturbance, sensory impairment or lack
of opportunities, but it may occur alongside any of these.
The effects of dyslexia can be largely overcome by skilled specialist
teaching and the use of compensatory strategies.
The Dyslexia Institute 2002
Ann
Ted Rosenberg
medical standards - YOU can believe it if you wish
BUT the list you are posting is a bunch of discredited old wives tales
and misconceptions about dyslexia
Ann
> Since the "brutish Dyslexia Society' disagrees with international and
> medical standards - YOU can believe it if you wish
>
> BUT the list you are posting is a bunch of discredited old wives tales
> and misconceptions about dyslexia
Bravo Ted!!!! I am sure they will be pleased to hear that.
Ann
Raymond
The things that I posted aren't old wive's tales. Dyspraxia, Sensory
Integration Disorder, and Asperger's Syndrome actually exist and they
are recognized. They can overlap with Dyslexia. Experts have said
that. I believe that Dyslexics and other people with learning
disabilities can have emotional problems if they are
misunderstood,ridiculed,labeled,abused,and misdiagnosed. If you have
other factors like experiencing prejudice,ignorance,and
misunderstanding as an illegitimate highly sensitive, soft-spoken
mulatto(born of a white parent and a black parent) like me, then the
experiences of being different can be very sad and stressful. The
things that I went through have made me a very compassionate and
sympathetic person who wants to help people who have problems. That's
why I intend to be a holistic practitioner. I know how to see the big
picture. I see the forest...not just the trees. I wish that everybody
did. Then there wouldn't be so much hate,ignorance,racism,and
prejudice. One of the main problems is that people judge each other
without knowing each other, and that's not right. It happens in
Religion,School,Work,Education, and other places.
I wouldn't have been able to read if I wasn't in special education for
3 years. I didn't start to read until I was 7 yrs old. I didn't talk
in complete sentences until between the ages of 7 and 8. Shrinks told
my mother that I wouldn't be able to be mainstreamed until 7th grade,
but I was mainstreamed in 3rd grade. They even told my mother that I
wouldn't be able to do things like other kids. They were proven wrong.
I even ran track in high school and have quick reflexes in spite of
being a late walker and problems with coordination in my early years.
I am even a very good dancer including dancing to techno,house,and
other dance music. I was an excellent swimmer since the age of 3 yrs
old. I did a recent basic skills test for Veteran Administration
vocational rehabiliation, and I was found to have superior reading
skills and very superior writing skills. My math skills are average
though. I always had problems with Algebra that discouraged me from
going to college.
Any ways, I am a compensated Dyslexic whether you believe me or not. I
really don't care. I know that I am, and my mother knows that I am. My
family knows what I went through. She knows me better than any shrink
and teacher. I still have problems with short term memory, and I don't
easily remember things that I read, and so I have to read it over
again. I tend to scan what I read and I often have lost my place. I
even read words as different words. I do get dizzy and confused at
times when I read. I can automatically see things in my mind's eye
when I read, and that has helped me comprehend what I read. I just
have a highly imaginative mind that helped to me to be a very good
story writer and poet, and my English teachers definitely recognized
that. I still make mistakes at times when I talk despite speaking
very fluently. I tend to speak awkwardly when I talk in front of a lot
of people because I immediately go back to my special ed days when I
was called retarded a lot for not being able to talk like "normal"
kids. I still have some clumsiness, but I don't have the coordination
problems that I had that got called me retard as a kid. I still have
some directional difficulties. My long term is very good.
Ray
"Ann" <a...@nospam.clara.co.uk> wrote in message news:<106846295...@doris.uk.clara.net>...
Ted Rosenberg
Raymond wrote:
> Ted,
>
> The things that I posted aren't old wive's tales. Dyspraxia, Sensory
> Integration Disorder, and Asperger's Syndrome actually exist and they
> are recognized. They can overlap with Dyslexia.
So can broken toes, common cold, and poison Ivy
SO WHAT - they are unrelated
Experts have said
> that. I believe that Dyslexics and other people with learning
> disabilities can have emotional problems if they are
> misunderstood,ridiculed,labeled,abused,and misdiagnosed. If you have
> other factors like experiencing prejudice,ignorance,and
> misunderstanding as an illegitimate highly sensitive, soft-spoken
> mulatto(born of a white parent and a black parent) like me, then the
> experiences of being different can be very sad and stressful. The
> things that I went through have made me a very compassionate and
> sympathetic person who wants to help people who have problems. That's
> why I intend to be a holistic practitioner.
We DO agree that people who have been ridiculed for their dyslexia may
have been . Again, so can people of mixed racial background, people
with cleft pallet, mixed eye color, or prematurely gray hair
It is NOT related to dyslexia
I know how to see the big
> picture. I see the forest...not just the trees. I wish that everybody
> did. Then there wouldn't be so much hate,ignorance,racism,and
> prejudice. One of the main problems is that people judge each other
> without knowing each other, and that's not right. It happens in
> Religion,School,Work,Education, and other places.
>
OK, can't disagree with you on that
> I wouldn't have been able to read if I wasn't in special education for
> 3 years. I didn't start to read until I was 7 yrs old. I didn't talk
> in complete sentences until between the ages of 7 and 8.
Yes, a common problem, most of us dyslexics have faced it. - I actually
was put in gifted classes, and had a HELL of a time pretending to be
able to read.
Shrinks told
> my mother that I wouldn't be able to be mainstreamed until 7th grade,
> but I was mainstreamed in 3rd grade. They even told my mother that I
> wouldn't be able to do things like other kids. They were proven wrong.
> I even ran track in high school and have quick reflexes in spite of
> being a late walker and problems with coordination in my early years.
> I am even a very good dancer including dancing to techno,house,and
> other dance music. I was an excellent swimmer since the age of 3 yrs
> old. I did a recent basic skills test for Veteran Administration
> vocational rehabiliation, and I was found to have superior reading
> skills and very superior writing skills. My math skills are average
> though. I always had problems with Algebra that discouraged me from
> going to college.
>
Not knowing algebra is not the same as being unable to comprehend math.
I can only do trig with a manual at hand, but I can visualize n
dimensional vectors, and am able to resolve time series in my head.
> Any ways, I am a compensated Dyslexic whether you believe me or not. I
> really don't care. I know that I am, and my mother knows that I am. My
> family knows what I went through. She knows me better than any shrink
> and teacher. I still have problems with short term memory, and I don't
> easily remember things that I read, and so I have to read it over
> again. I tend to scan what I read and I often have lost my place. I
> even read words as different words. I do get dizzy and confused at
> times when I read. I can automatically see things in my mind's eye
> when I read, and that has helped me comprehend what I read. I just
> have a highly imaginative mind that helped to me to be a very good
> story writer and poet, and my English teachers definitely recognized
> that. I still make mistakes at times when I talk despite speaking
> very fluently. I tend to speak awkwardly when I talk in front of a lot
> of people because I immediately go back to my special ed days when I
> was called retarded a lot for not being able to talk like "normal"
> kids. I still have some clumsiness, but I don't have the coordination
> problems that I had that got called me retard as a kid. I still have
> some directional difficulties. My long term is very good.
>
I am glad that you, as many of us, learned how to compensate - It would
have been a lot better if you had had proper instruction.
When, after 3rd grade, my father figured out that I couldn't read, he
taught me - He was also dyslexic, and had either learned to compensate
on his own, or someone in his family taught him.
Raymond
processing including audio-sequencing. I used to hear things
incorrectly, and so I was being rewired to hear things correctly.
People spoke too fast for me. I suck at audio-sequential learning. I
am clearly a visual-spatial learner. I am very rightbrained in my
thought processes.
Ray
Gla...@hotmail.com (Raymond) wrote in message news:<42653b7f.03111...@posting.google.com>...
Peter Gregson
I was told that I was also probably dyslexic as the two condictions
are related.
I was assesed by a properly qualifified pscychogist using standard
test who said I was indeed dyspraxia and dyslexic. She said that
dyspraxia was linked to short term memory problems and also poor
concertration. I have a poor short term memory but good long term
memory. Also I can't really concentrate for long periods although at
other time I can be totalled focused to the exclusion of all else.
I was under the impression that all these condidtion are linked. ALso
as I understand it there are certain things people with dyslexia can
do better than people who arn't dyslexic.
Also, some would say, dyslexia is not really a condiction at all just
different from the majority.
Ted Rosenberg <tedros...@iname.com> wrote in message news:<bomp61$1g35o3$1...@ID-144226.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Ted Rosenberg
there is a tendency, particularly in the UK, where dyslexic treatment is
very rudimentary. to label EVERYTHING as being related to dyslexia
It just isn't so
dyslexia is a WRITTEN LANGUAGE problem, nothing more
If you have trouble reading because of ADD (attention span) or bi-polar,
or speech problems, or hearing problems
it is NOT dyslexia.
Inger Morris
"If you have trouble reading because of ADD (attention span) or bi-polar,
or speech problems, or hearing problems
it is NOT dyslexia."
This was my argument when my son was placed in special units with deaf,
spastic, Mongol and other children with different special needs - when he
was only dyslexic. It was brought to my attention by a local authority nurse
who told me that my son was the only child in the unit with no medical file.
This is why we are now seeking redress for the way he was treated, thanks
for mentioning it.
Inger (UK)
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Raymond
You're right. Ted is very rude. He talks to people like they are very
stupid. He acts like he knows everything. All I am trying to do is to
make some alternative viewpoints. I grew up as a learning disabled
person, and I know what I am talking about. I had problems with
reading as a kid too, and I had extensive phonics. I didn't read until
2nd grade. I know that emotional problems can be a result of coping as
a multiethnic(Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,Puerto
Rican,Native American) learning disabled person.
I am not going to respond to nor read any of Ted's posts again.
Raymond
naturelo...@aol.com (NatureloverChris) wrote in message news:<20031108234222...@mb-m16.aol.com>...
Raymond
I am so sorry that happened to you. I hope that everything will be
fine for your son. I wasn't diagnosed with any mental illness until
after I joined the navy. The doctors told my mother that I was having
problems with speech because of auditory processing problems. I also
had coordination problems. I had sensory integration problems too. I
was always too sensitive - not just emotionally but also physically. I
spent 3 yrs in special ed, and I am very thankful that I had wonderful
teachers who knew that I was very bright and capable and not retarded
like the "normal kids thought. Sometimes, I wonder how things are with
my special ed 2nd grade teacher.
It is always good to get a second and even third opinion before
settling on a diagnosis. A lot of people get misdiagnosed. People with
auditory processing disorders have been misdiagnosed ADD.
Ray
Inger Morris" <inger....@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<bpbltl$68h$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>...
Raymond
Dyslexia and Dyspraxia are related to each other. Even Dr Levinson
and Ronald D Davis agree on that. That's why there is a big overlap
between them and ADHD. I have the same problems that you have. I was
late in most of the milestones, but I was an excellent swimmer since
the age of 3 years old. I even ran track in high school, and I am a
very good dancer. I still have some clumsiness. I am not good at
judging fast moving objects. You wouldn't see me being a wide receiver
because I am lousy at catching. Defensive back would have been the
best position for me.
I have 2 books on Dyspraxia. When I was reading those books, I felt
that I was reading my life story. I even cried.
Ray
pgreg...@yahoo.co.uk (Peter Gregson) wrote in message news:<c02a7f7f.03111...@posting.google.com>...
Ted Rosenberg
You see Raymond
I am rude, because twits like you do great damage to dyslexics
every time someone believes an "alternative" quack, or some of the
incredible crap that you posts, they do damage to real dyslexics
Look stupid
"Dyspraxia" has NOTHING to do with dyslexia
If you have dyslexia, you can NOT have dyspraxia or asphasia.
Go take some herbs, buy a scam book, stick your head back up your ass,
and stop posting your bullshit
I don't know what you are selling, but being dyslaeic ALSO has nopthing
to do with AD(H)D or Bi-polar. NOTHING!!! although, unlike dyspraxia,
it is possibl\e to have both.
Leslie Smith
opinion.
If something is not right, then just say so in a nice manner, then we
all can learn.
Coming across as you just gets people back up, and if you then have a
valid point
to make we will not want to hear it, and it could be of use to someone
who is
coming to the group for the first time.
Regards
Leslie UK:-)
Ted Rosenberg
misinformation
It is necessary to be hostile
Raymond should take his excuses for his worthlessness, and stop blaming
it on dyslexia
The number of frauds with web sites and with scam books
"90% of dyslexia have short term memory problems"
PURE FALSEHOOD - show me a citation to a current qualified peer-reviewed
journal article which shows anything of a sort
"Dyslexias can have dyspraxia (Aphasia in most of the world) "
GEE, I guess only BRIT dyslexics can - because dyslexics the world round
CAN'T it is IMPOSSIBLE, not even unlikely.
"Dyslexia and AD(H)D are related'
Well they are both usually diagnosed in children - that is the ONLY
connection - many dyslexics are improperly diagnosed as AD(H)D because
of idiots who push this. Dyslexics CAN have AD(H)D - and about 7% of
them do - just like non-dyslexics
When you look at people who still believe in the letter reversal idiocy-
you expect them to trot out the eye of newt next.
Leslie Smith wrote:
> Ted there is no need to be so hostile to anyone that dose not share your
> opinion.
> If something is not right, then just say so in a nice manner, then we
> all can learn.
> Coming across as you just gets people back up, and if you then have a
> valid point
> to make we will not want to hear it, and it could be of use to someone
> who is
> coming to the group for the first time.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Leslie?UK:-)
NatureloverChris
<< Well, when it comes to twits like Raymond, and others who promote
misinformation
It is necessary to be hostile>>
hostility begets hostility, reason begets reason
chris
Raymond
I agree. I feel that it is wrong that he referred to me as a twit and
stupid too. That right there indicates his rudeness. I don't feel that
people have to be put down for sharing their own viewpoints. All the
stuff that I talked about is stuff that people wrote in books on
Dyspraxia and Dyslexia. These weren't just my words. I can relate to
all what they wrote too. A lot of other people can too. There is so
much talk about the comorbidity of learning disabilities including
Dyslexia in books and websites that Ted's views of a condescending
manner are not going to dissuade me from my belief that Dyslexics can
have Dyspraxia and ADHD and vice versa. There is new research that
came out this November that Dyslexia is a multisensory disorder. Also
that Dyslexics have an auditory deficit. In some research back in
1999, they were found to have problems with rapid series of sounds. I
had problems with rapid sounds. There is a view that Dyslexia can be
both auditory, visual, or both. Another is that inner ear problems
could cause Dyslexia because Dyslexics are thought to some auditory
processing problems and some coordination problems. Dyspraxics have
coordination problems and they have problems with speech. A dyslexic
can have speech problems if he has auditory processing problems and is
not able to read. In order to read out loud, you have to sound out the
words. If Dyslexics have a problem with phonemes, they are going to
have problems with reading. If you cannot process auditorily, you
often will have problems with speech and balance for the ear is the
organ for both hearing and equilibrium. I learned that in Anatomy
class too. Delay of speech in the preschool years is listed as one of
the warning signs of Dyslexia. Maybe severe Dyslexics have speech
problems when they get past preschool age.
Ray
The book, Understanding Developmental Dyspraxia by Madeleine Portwood
talks about Dyspraxics can have Dyslexia and ADD/ADHD. Ted should be
calling her and other people who wrote books on learning disabilities
stupid twit. Not me. Actually, he shouldn't be calling anybody a
stupid twit for not sharing his beliefs. He is like a fundamentalist
Christian who believes that people are into cults or devilworshipers
because they aren't Christians and believe in the Bible. I am not a
Christian either. I am a pantheistic Universalist who believes that no
religion has all the truth and that many spiritual paths lead to
spiritual attainment. I feel that Ted lacks consideration for not just
other people who aren't isolated reading disordered Dyslexics but also
people who don't share his views.
Leslie Smith <ccx...@coventry.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<3FBF3FD1...@coventry.ac.uk>...
> Ted there is no need to be so hostile to anyone that dose not share your
> opinion.
> If something is not right, then just say so in a nice manner, then we
> all can learn.
> Coming across as you just gets people back up, and if you then have a
> valid point
> to make we will not want to hear it, and it could be of use to someone
> who is
> coming to the group for the first time.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Leslie?UK:-)
Ted Rosenberg
YES Raymond, go back and beleive some bullshit which you "read in a book"
Have you discovered L Ron Hubbard yet?
Raymond
I didn't promote misinformation. I just didn't promote the
information that is current with how Ted views things. The information
that I typed was from what I have read in books and sites about
Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,Asperger's Syndrome, and Sensory Integration
Disorder. There is a lot of information about how Dyslexia has
comorbidity other learning disabilities and ADHD/ADD. Peter even said
that he has Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. I can totally relate to both the
Dyslexia and Dyspraxia myself. My problems were mostly corrected when
I was in special education class for 3 years. I don't need anybody
accusing me of posting misinformation because his way of viewing
things is the only way. I don't go for that. I believe that everybody
here has the right to share their own viewpoints. I don't see this as
Ted Rosenberg's Dyslexia Support. As long as there are books that tell
about the comormidity of Dyslexia with other learning disabilities and
ADHD/ADD, I am going to believe in the possibilities that Dyslexia can
overlap with other learning disabilities. They can overlap with mental
disorders too, and I believe that a lot of people with learning
disabilities are misdiagnosed with mental illnesses too. I don't blame
them for being depressed and anxious. I know that I had Dyslexia with
comorbidity with Dyspraxia. I lived with the condition. Ted didn't,
and so he doesn't have a clue about what I went through. He thinks
that other learning disabilities need to see shrinks. He told me that
I need to go back to a psychiatrist after I talked about the symptoms
that most Dyspraxics have and a lot of Dyslexics have. I was very
offended by that, and I could tell that he was a rude person. When he
called me a stupid twit, he pretty much confirmed. Hell...he doesn't
even know me to call me stupid twit. He's just calling me that because
of what I say doesn't concur with how he sees things, and not
everybody sees things like he does. Thank God for individuality.
Instead of us attacking each other, we should consider other's
viewpoints. All Dyslexics should be able to express their
views,opinions,thoughts,and feelings about what it is like to be
Dyslexic and how to deal with that. They shouldn't have to deal with
another Dyslexic putting each other down. A matter of fact, nobody
should be putting each other down.
naturelo...@aol.com (NatureloverChris) wrote in message news:<20031123143236...@mb-m02.aol.com>...
NatureloverChris
<< Chris,
I didn't promote misinformation. I just didn't promote the
information that is current with how Ted views things. >>
I understand this. I never said you did promote misinformation.
<snip>
<< All Dyslexics should be able to express their
views,opinions,thoughts,and feelings about what it is like to be
Dyslexic and how to deal with that. They shouldn't have to deal with
another Dyslexic putting each other down. A matter of fact, nobody
should be putting each other down.>>
I agree with this. I've been on this group for a couple years now and Ted was
here when I got here. I don't think he is ever going to change. I know that
isn't right or fair, but neither is life. You can killfile him or report him.
<snip again>
<< naturelo...@aol.com (NatureloverChris) wrote in message
news:<20031123143236...@mb-m02.aol.com>...
> Ted wrote:
>
> << Well, when it comes to twits like Raymond, and others who promote
> misinformation
> It is necessary to be hostile>>
>
> hostility begets hostility, reason begets reason>>
my comments were directed at Ted.
chris
Leslie Smith
program on the BBC, I when to be tested. This group should be a place
where other Dyslexic people can share, and be open with each other.
A place where we can feel safe and not be ridiculed.
Someone have us have had a hard life trying to survive in the "normal"
world. Knowing that we think and act different to everyone else around
us and not knowing why. Find it hard to fit in with others of your
pears, forming relationships.
Leslie...UK:-)
Larry
otherwise Ted believes only in the world according to Ted and that probably
has not changed in a great many years.
If he were alive in 1493 he would still believe the world only consisted of
the European world.
Things can only exist if Ted allows them too, he is the ultimate law it
seems, a bit like me really :)
--
Larry
"We are all of one mind, one equal mind, and if each of us persists in being
the centre of our own existence we are all doomed to suffer at each others
hands. I cannot exist on my own without you, neither can you be without me,
what is the world wide web about after all?. We are interdependent whether
we are aware of the fact or not"
"NatureloverChris" <naturelo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Ray wrote:
>
> I suspect most people here agree that dyslexia is more than just a reading
> disorder. I had a variety of coordination problems, and I am mildly
autistic
> too.
>
> >I don't appreciate your telling me to go back to the psychiatrist.
>
Larry
running counter to other peoples know truths :)
You can't prove the veracity of your favorite authorities either, because if
they have been discredited you will blame it all on fraud and refuse to
believe it anyway.
--
Larry
"We are all of one mind, one equal mind, and if each of us persists in being
the centre of our own existence we are all doomed to suffer at each others
hands. I cannot exist on my own without you, neither can you be without me,
what is the world wide web about after all?. We are interdependent whether
we are aware of the fact or not"
"Ted Rosenberg" <tedros...@iname.com> wrote in message
news:bprefk$1r2cdv$2...@ID-144226.news.uni-berlin.de...
Larry
--
Larry
"We are all of one mind, one equal mind, and if each of us persists in being
the centre of our own existence we are all doomed to suffer at each others
hands. I cannot exist on my own without you, neither can you be without me,
what is the world wide web about after all?. We are interdependent whether
we are aware of the fact or not"
"Ted Rosenberg" <tedros...@iname.com> wrote in message
news:bp0rb6$1ib6ko$1...@ID-144226.news.uni-berlin.de...
Larry
acknowlege it.
All human knowledge did not reach completion 60 years ago and just because
Ted was tired of lerning anything new, it does not mean that whatever he and
his antediluvian order read in a book written 60 years ago is still so.
To agree with Ted would be like trying to fix the latest car with a manual
written for model T fords, he does not realise that our understanding of the
brain has moved on and continues to do so.
He is as dogmatic as Levinson and the others and inspite of his rightful
dislike of them he inhabits the same world of believing only his way is
right.
--
Larry
"We are all of one mind, one equal mind, and if each of us persists in being
the centre of our own existence we are all doomed to suffer at each others
hands. I cannot exist on my own without you, neither can you be without me,
what is the world wide web about after all?. We are interdependent whether
we are aware of the fact or not"
"Ted Rosenberg" <tedros...@iname.com> wrote in message
news:bomp61$1g35o3$1...@ID-144226.news.uni-berlin.de...
Larry
go ?
--
Larry
"We are all of one mind, one equal mind, and if each of us persists in being
the centre of our own existence we are all doomed to suffer at each others
hands. I cannot exist on my own without you, neither can you be without me,
what is the world wide web about after all?. We are interdependent whether
we are aware of the fact or not"
"NatureloverChris" <naturelo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031124203427...@mb-m04.aol.com...
NatureloverChris
<< Ah but if you killfile him, where will all the pleasure of arguing with him
go ? >>
I'm thinking we have a different idea of pleasure. To me, arguing with Ted
seems like beating your head against the wall.
chris
NatureloverChris
<< Things can only exist if Ted allows them too, he is the ultimate law it
seems, a bit like me really :) >>
But then we are all figments of your imagination, right? so, it's not
surprising, some of us end up being like you.
chris
Larry
Levinsons gospel, is the world turning upside down ???
Of course Raymond could be "Marsh gas" in disguise :)
--
Larry
"We are all of one mind, one equal mind, and if each of us persists in being
the centre of our own existence we are all doomed to suffer at each others
hands. I cannot exist on my own without you, neither can you be without me,
what is the world wide web about after all?. We are interdependent whether
we are aware of the fact or not"
"NatureloverChris" <naturelo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031203001259...@mb-m03.aol.com...
Raymond
writes makes sense. The problems that I have had are in his book. It
was like he wrote the book for me even though he wrote the book for
every Dyslexic.
Ray
"Larry" <N...@larry-arnold.com> wrote in message news:<bqocus$20v2nd$1...@ID-129032.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Rob
> Well, when it comes to twits like Raymond, and others who promote
> misinformation
> It is necessary to be hostile
>
> Raymond should take his excuses for his worthlessness, and stop blaming
> it on dyslexia
>
> The number of frauds with web sites and with scam books
>
> "90% of dyslexia have short term memory problems"
> PURE FALSEHOOD - show me a citation to a current qualified peer-reviewed
> journal article which shows anything of a sort
Hmm, I used to have okay short term memory, nothing exceptional. Then
I was a teenager. I don't remember much of what I did then, due to black
outs caused by altered states of conciousness, but what I do remember was
awesome. Afterwards though I seemed to have really bad short term memory.
Not that I really need it.
Maybe so many of us have short term memory problems because of drug
abuse brought on by states of mania and depression caused by dyslexia? :)
> "Dyslexia and AD(H)D are related'
> Well they are both usually diagnosed in children - that is the ONLY
> connection - many dyslexics are improperly diagnosed as AD(H)D because
> of idiots who push this. Dyslexics CAN have AD(H)D - and about 7% of
> them do - just like non-dyslexics
I saw a number somewhere around 7%. I thought that was rather high and
proved some correlation. But is that also the number for the general
population? If so I'm seriously doubting the accuracy of AD(H)D diagnosis
now. That just seems way too high. That's somewhere in the nieghborhood of
one out of every fifteen people.
> When you look at people who still believe in the letter reversal idiocy-
> you expect them to trot out the eye of newt next.
Whose your eye of newt supplier? I went to GNC, and they didn't even
know what I was talking about. Apparently shark cartilage cures everything
though. But I don't like sea food.