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Bob

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Nov 11, 2004, 1:08:40 PM11/11/04
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My wife has decided to leave me today and plans on having everything packed
(that is hers) by the end of the day today or tomorrow and plans on driving
back to Nebraska with my minivan. I intend on sending a friend to recover
the minivan as soon as they arrive in Nebraska. I legally own the van, this
is my right.

My wife and our three children (one is mutually ours) moved from Nebraska to
Florida in January of 2004. This move was due to a terminal illness with my
father. Initially, the move went well and we moved into a rental. A short
time later, I found a nice property and purchased it in my name. She is on
the title as my wife, but not with the creditors. All of our vehicles are in
my name as far as credit. As far as insurance, her name is on everything.
All utilities are in my name. Everything is in my name.

I have been under an enormous amount of stress due to the illness (ALS) with
my father, trying to keep my mother comforted, that I have apparently
forgotten about my own family. This is all according to my wife. She is a
stay at home mom and for the past few months... has let everything go.
Dishes stack up. Laundry isn't done etc. I am the bread-winner. I help out
when I can which is very little. I provide for fun get always, Disney etc. I
give stress relief to her when I can, but not as often as I should according
to her.

I am currently working for one of the largest financial institutions in the
world. I am able to telecommute from home so, I am home 90% of the time. I
give everything to my family when I am not working, but apparently it is not
enough. Someone has told her that she can get 50% of my income if she
leaves. She is very naive, but that is her basis for leaving. She feels she
can move back home with her parents and sit back and collect a check. Well,
if that was the case, I would sell everything, hop on a plane and head to
Singapore where I would not be contacted ever again.

Since I will live in Florida and she will live in Nebraska, what kind of
problems will I see through the divorce. Should I file or should I let her?
She doesn't have any money. Also, I know that I want 100% custody of our
mutual child. I know that I can keep her in the state of Florida today, but
I also know it is not worth keeping my wife around through the process. We
have tried "working it out" in the past and it doesn't work.

I would rather fight the battle remote. So, I am looking for some guidance
in regards to what I should or should not do over the next few days. I am
keeping a cool head, saying very little to my wife and just hoping that this
situation is over before anything else happens.

-Bob-


Rambler

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Nov 11, 2004, 2:17:12 PM11/11/04
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Bob wrote:

> My wife has decided to leave me today and plans on having everything packed

Sorry to hear that.

<snip>

> I am currently working for one of the largest financial institutions in the
> world. I am able to telecommute from home so, I am home 90% of the time. I
> give everything to my family when I am not working, but apparently it is not
> enough. Someone has told her that she can get 50% of my income if she
> leaves. She is very naive,

Don't bet on that last part, otherwise you might be looking up the
definition of naive in the dictionary as it applies to yourself.

> but that is her basis for leaving. She feels she
> can move back home with her parents and sit back and collect a check. Well,
> if that was the case, I would sell everything, hop on a plane and head to
> Singapore where I would not be contacted ever again.

Save for Singapore has an extradition treaty with the US, and their
courts enforce reciprocal judgements. Also, be advised that Singapore
still uses caning for punishment of some crimes.

> Since I will live in Florida and she will live in Nebraska, what kind of
> problems will I see through the divorce.

Depends on whether you all do it amicably or not, and whether it happens
in Florida or not.

> Should I file or should I let her?

You should probably file, but you need to figure out where, Florida or
nebraska. Since you are not a resident of Nebraska, that might be
tough, but it might be better, save that you want to keep your mutual child.

> She doesn't have any money.

Sure she does. It's called a marital asset, and it doesn't matter whose
name is where.

>Also, I know that I want 100% custody of our mutual child.

Why's that? She's been the stay at home Mom, and you will be denying
your child access to his/her mother. Not very good parenting, if you
ask me. As far as the kid goes, this needs to go first, not in the
middle of some "cool-headed" list, you and your stbx need to get on the
same page, and it would help matters enormously if you all stay in the
same vicinity as each other. Your "cool-headedness" is clouding your
vision.

>I know that I can keep her in the state of Florida today, but
> I also know it is not worth keeping my wife around through the process. We
> have tried "working it out" in the past and it doesn't work.
>
> I would rather fight the battle remote.

Bad idea.

Rambler

Bob

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Nov 11, 2004, 2:28:11 PM11/11/04
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Thank you for your input.

The van was packed a few minutes ago and she is on the road... We have
agreed to look at this as a seperation, but I don't know for how long. I may
file and just be through with it all.

I would rather live in silence than live the hell I have been living. I am
sure she feels the same.

-Bob

Roger B.

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Nov 11, 2004, 3:50:13 PM11/11/04
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"Bob" <b...@nospam.com> wrote...

You need to file in Florida. Florida is the proper venue, since
that's where you last lived as husband and wife, where the marital
assets are located and where legal residency requirements have
been met. She may try to finesse whatever residency requirements
Nebraska has, so you need to assert Florida's jurisdiction ASAP.
Child custody and long-arm service of process can be complex,
so I urge you to consult an attorney. [R]


Casey

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Nov 11, 2004, 3:51:16 PM11/11/04
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Bob said

> My wife and our three children (one is mutually ours) moved from Nebraska to
> Florida in January of 2004. This move was due to a terminal illness with my
> father. Initially, the move went well and we moved into a rental. A short
> time later, I found a nice property and purchased it in my name. She is on
> the title as my wife, but not with the creditors. All of our vehicles are in
> my name as far as credit. As far as insurance, her name is on everything.
> All utilities are in my name. Everything is in my name.

Anything earned or acquired during the marriage is marital property,
regardless of whose name is on anything. As far as only you being
responsible for the credit, that just means you're the one they'll come
after if payments are missed.

Things you came into the marriage already owning are considered to be
non-marital assets. Any funds you had that were mingled with marital
funds are "contaminated" and not legally non-marital assets anymore.

You purchased the house together - she's a joint owner.

> Since I will live in Florida and she will live in Nebraska, what kind of
> problems will I see through the divorce. Should I file or should I let her?
> She doesn't have any money. Also, I know that I want 100% custody of our
> mutual child. I know that I can keep her in the state of Florida today, but
> I also know it is not worth keeping my wife around through the process. We
> have tried "working it out" in the past and it doesn't work.
>
> I would rather fight the battle remote.

If you are inclined to proceed with a divorce ... if it were me, I'd
file in Florida and take the initiative.

Doesn't look like you can file in Nebraska anyway:

www.divorcesource.com/info/divorcelaws/nebraska.shtml

"RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS AND WHERE TO FILE: (1) One of the spouses must
have been a resident of Ne-braska for at least 1 year or (2) the
marriage was performed in Nebraska and 1 of the spouses has lived in
Nebraska for the entire marriage. The dissolution of marriage may be
filed for in a county where either spouse resides. There is a 60-day
waiting period after service of the petition for dissolution of
marriage on the respondent before the case can be decided in court.
[Revised Statutes of Nebraska; Chapter 42, Sections 342 and 349]."


Florida and Nebraska are both no-fault, equitable distribution states.

You might escape permanent alimony if you've been married less than 10
years and file in Florida.

You really need a lawyer, ASAP.


Casey

YooperBoyka

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Nov 11, 2004, 5:15:34 PM11/11/04
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"Rambler" <iamramble...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Bob wrote:
>>
>> I would rather fight the battle remote.
>
> Bad idea.
>

This guy KNOWS from whence he speaks, Bob.
Listen close.


John Riggs

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Nov 11, 2004, 6:16:57 PM11/11/04
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Nebraska? NOW you have my attention. Where in Nebraska?

42-342
Residence; prima facie evidence.

Proof that a person obtaining a divorce from
the bonds of matrimony in another jurisdiction was (1) domiciled
in this state within twelve months prior to the commencement of
the proceeding therefore, and resumed residence in this state
within eighteen months after the date of his departure therefrom,
or (2) at all times after his departure from this state, and
until his return maintained a place of residence within this
state, shall be prima facie evidence that the person was
domiciled in this state when the divorce proceeding was
commenced.
Now, I certainly wouldn't wait to argue teh point. File in Florida NOW,
you can always stop the divorce later, if you wish, but if she begins one
here while you guys are "separated", then you are screwed. Do what you
can NOW to keep the ball in your court, so to speak. Do not lose the home
court advantage. ( How many court puns coudl I fit in a single statement?
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John Riggs

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Nov 11, 2004, 6:18:34 PM11/11/04
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Try here for a quick FAQ on Nebraska divorce.
http://www.uslegalforms.com/divorce/nebraska-divorce-faq.htm

I've divorced twice here. I give up on dating or marrying Nebraska
women.


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Bob

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Nov 11, 2004, 10:27:25 PM11/11/04
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LOL. Thank you my friend.

I have consulted with an attorney this afternoon and I will be filing
tomorrow.

She will have the papers waiting for her when she gets there.

Bob

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Bob

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Nov 11, 2004, 10:28:42 PM11/11/04
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Thanks for the feedback.

-Bob

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Bob

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Nov 11, 2004, 10:30:09 PM11/11/04
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As a follow up... we married in Nebraska, lived in Nebraska for 3 years.
Moved to Florida in January and became residents legally around February
12th.

I have an attorney, but we haven't discussed everything until tomorrow.

I will file in Florida and take it from there.

I'll keep you all posted.


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John Riggs

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Nov 11, 2004, 10:33:25 PM11/11/04
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Make sure you do, because if I read it right, she can come here and file
and there isn't anything you can do....if you read the statute I posted you
will understand why.. The only way to head her off is to file in Florida.

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Casey

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Nov 11, 2004, 11:26:48 PM11/11/04
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Bob said

> As a follow up... we married in Nebraska, lived in Nebraska for 3 years.
> Moved to Florida in January and became residents legally around February
> 12th.
>
> I have an attorney, but we haven't discussed everything until tomorrow.
>
> I will file in Florida and take it from there.
>
> I'll keep you all posted.

Okay ... until then, good luck with everything.

Casey

Joe St. Lucas

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Nov 11, 2004, 11:32:45 PM11/11/04
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>Since I will live in Florida and she will live in Nebraska, what kind of
>problems will I see through the divorce. Should I file or should I let her?
>She doesn't have any money. Also, I know that I want 100% custody of our
>mutual child.

I'd be more worried that since she has physical possession of your "joint"
child, and you allowed her to move out of state, it'd take a lot to get your
child back to florida.

LoriMc

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Nov 11, 2004, 11:32:04 PM11/11/04
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Janie wrote:

>
> (That same mentor also told me to never again put myself in a position
> of depending 100% on a man for my living arrangements -- advice I
> followed forever after without fail :-)

This is something I figured out and have strictly followed from the time I
was 22 years old.
Mines slightly altered to be, Never allow yourself to be in a position where
you are dependant totally on any other person then yourself for your
finances, living arrangements etc...

Lori Mc

Bill in Co.

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Nov 12, 2004, 12:08:36 AM11/12/04
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I'll go one step further. Never allow yourself to be dependent on anyone,
cause sure as anything, they'll let ya down someday. (Gandhi, Mother
Teresa, and Fred Rogers excepted).


John Riggs

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Nov 12, 2004, 12:09:32 AM11/12/04
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I wonder if anyone ever takes the perspective that "The kid gets it all"
and the court determines which parent they get custody of. From that
perspective, how do you suppose people would look at things?


"Janie" <puff...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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| Rambler <iamramble...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<2vhs64F...@uni-berlin.de>...

| > Bob wrote:
| >
| > > My wife has decided to leave me today and plans on having everything
packed
| >
| > Sorry to hear that.
|

| Bob didn't sound particularly broken up about it. I have to say, I'm
| surprised someone found ASD the very same day their spouse was walking
| out - we must be getting better hits on Google these days!


|
| > > but that is her basis for leaving. She feels she
| > > can move back home with her parents and sit back and collect a check.
Well,
| > > if that was the case, I would sell everything, hop on a plane and head
to
| > > Singapore where I would not be contacted ever again.
|

| This is the father who wants 100% custody of his child? Willing to
| skip the country when confronted with the reality of community
| property laws? Or were you planning on kidnapping your child as you
| flee the country?


|
| > Save for Singapore has an extradition treaty with the US, and their
| > courts enforce reciprocal judgements. Also, be advised that Singapore
| > still uses caning for punishment of some crimes.
|

| > > She doesn't have any money.
| >
| > Sure she does. It's called a marital asset, and it doesn't matter whose
| > name is where.
|

| Ooops. Guess "my name is on everything" doesn't count for as much as
| some folks think it does.


|
| > >Also, I know that I want 100% custody of our mutual child.
| >
| > Why's that? She's been the stay at home Mom, and you will be denying
| > your child access to his/her mother. Not very good parenting, if you
| > ask me. As far as the kid goes, this needs to go first, not in the
| > middle of some "cool-headed" list, you and your stbx need to get on the
| > same page, and it would help matters enormously if you all stay in the
| > same vicinity as each other. Your "cool-headedness" is clouding your
| > vision.
|

| I can see where you came up with the "cool-headed" phrase in response
| to what Bob initially posted here, Rambler. But it seems to me to be
| a very very thin cover for some very deep seated anger. All I caught
| throughout his post was nearly-explosive anger and contempt for his
| wife and children.
|
| Along with the victim status you are claiming for yourself, Bob, this
| anger and contempt are emotions and attitudes that just aren't going
| to serve you well through this ordeal. Believe me, BTDT.
|
| You'd probably find that you can get a better grasp on what's going on
| in your life, as well as get some great feedback, empathy, and care
| from most of the folks here, if you were more direct about what you're
| feeling right now. Even the anger is an honest and understandable
| emotion. But covering it up with "cool headed" contempt doesn't serve
| anyone. Least of all you.
|
| It totally sucks when someone we care about starts in on all of our
| flaws, everything we're doing wrong, every way we've let them down -
| especially when other family members are taking so much from you with
| their health and comfort needs due to your Dad's illness. That's a
| time when it would be totally cool to have someone supportive, loving,
| complimenting you on how well you're handling such a tough situation.
| Picking up your slack (instead of creating more problems) out of love
| and understanding for what you are going through. I don't know why
| your wife wasn't able to be that kind of spouse for you. If this
| coolness and contempt you displayed in your posts is how you interact
| with her, I might be able to guess why. But not being there, even my
| best guess could be totally wrong.


|
| > >I know that I can keep her in the state of Florida today, but
| > > I also know it is not worth keeping my wife around through the
process. We
| > > have tried "working it out" in the past and it doesn't work.
| > >
| > > I would rather fight the battle remote.
| >
| > Bad idea.
|

| "Remote" seems to be what you're trying to do to your feelings *and*
| your life, Bob. Keep everyone and every feeling at arm's length.
| Don't let your wife get to you. Don't show your needs to her. Don't
| give her any slack for what she might have been going through, moving
| to a new area with 3 kids. Don't admit to yourself (or those of us
| you are supposedly coming to for feedback) your real feelings, like
| the anger that seems to be seething through your keyboard. Keep it
| all remote. Noting gets past the outer walls.
|
| Is that really working for you, Bob?
|
| Janie
|
| --
| The reason why rivers and seas receive the homage of a hundred
| mountain streams is that they keep below them. -- Lao Tse


John Riggs

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Need to add Jack Dappen to that list


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John Riggs

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Nov 12, 2004, 12:30:14 AM11/12/04
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At least 19 hours of driving time from Nebraska to Florida, so figure a
couple of days and 4 tanks of fuel anyway.


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Bob

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Nov 12, 2004, 12:52:43 AM11/12/04
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?

LOL

I have to laugh. Everything will be fine on my end. I am filing for divorce
tomorrow under my terms. This is the benefit of having money. I will post my
final results when they come through.

With my career, I don't want 100% custody, but I know that my daughter would
be 1000% better under my roof than my in-laws in Nebraska.

Should I seek custody, I will win. My wife was Baker Acted less than 90 days
ago because she mixed alcohol and prescription drugs.

Having her Baker Acted... sealed the deal. A little bit of money and my
daughter is mine... should I choose to seek that custody. I will seek that
custody, but I will do it out of spite and in the end... let my wife keep my
daughter because I can. It will only cost her more in the long run. I might
have to sell a toy or two to fund this "breakup" but it will be worth it all
the way and I will do it with a smile on my face.

BTW, you can call me Brian.

"Janie" <puff...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> Rambler <iamramble...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<2vhs64F...@uni-berlin.de>...

>> Bob wrote:
>>
>> > My wife has decided to leave me today and plans on having everything
>> > packed
>>
>> Sorry to hear that.
>

> Bob didn't sound particularly broken up about it. I have to say, I'm
> surprised someone found ASD the very same day their spouse was walking
> out - we must be getting better hits on Google these days!
>

>> > but that is her basis for leaving. She feels she
>> > can move back home with her parents and sit back and collect a check.
>> > Well,
>> > if that was the case, I would sell everything, hop on a plane and head
>> > to
>> > Singapore where I would not be contacted ever again.
>

> This is the father who wants 100% custody of his child? Willing to
> skip the country when confronted with the reality of community
> property laws? Or were you planning on kidnapping your child as you
> flee the country?
>

>> Save for Singapore has an extradition treaty with the US, and their
>> courts enforce reciprocal judgements. Also, be advised that Singapore
>> still uses caning for punishment of some crimes.
>

>> > She doesn't have any money.
>>
>> Sure she does. It's called a marital asset, and it doesn't matter whose
>> name is where.
>

> Ooops. Guess "my name is on everything" doesn't count for as much as
> some folks think it does.
>

>> >Also, I know that I want 100% custody of our mutual child.
>>
>> Why's that? She's been the stay at home Mom, and you will be denying
>> your child access to his/her mother. Not very good parenting, if you
>> ask me. As far as the kid goes, this needs to go first, not in the
>> middle of some "cool-headed" list, you and your stbx need to get on the
>> same page, and it would help matters enormously if you all stay in the
>> same vicinity as each other. Your "cool-headedness" is clouding your
>> vision.
>

>> >I know that I can keep her in the state of Florida today, but
>> > I also know it is not worth keeping my wife around through the process.
>> > We
>> > have tried "working it out" in the past and it doesn't work.
>> >
>> > I would rather fight the battle remote.
>>
>> Bad idea.
>

Bob

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Nov 12, 2004, 12:56:51 AM11/12/04
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And I will tomorrow. The sheriff will be waiting on her parent's doorstep
when she arrives.

I can always cancel the divorce, but at least I will be prepared to win on
my turf and not her turf.

She says absence will make the heart grow fonder. Just another example of
her not understanding life.

I will come off as a total prick by the time this is all over.

No one ever said wars were nice at least in this war... there will be no
actual casualties. I made that decision.

It's sad other people can't be that level headed.

May Laci rest in piece and I pray Scott walks. Geragos is my hero. If he
pulls this off.... it proves my point and that is... money is the key to
success. Without it... you have nothing.


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Bob

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Nov 12, 2004, 1:05:04 AM11/12/04
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Just a little money and medical records will suffice.

I could have filed today and kept her around, but that would cause all of my
money to go into another attorney's pocket like Mark Geragos due to cleaning
up the mess...

It's best I let her leave with all three children. I can get the one that
means the most to me with a little time and money.

Thanks again for all of your feedback.


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John Riggs

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Let me forewarn you. Even if she makes it here with the kid, you will
play Hell getting that child back to Florida from here. The assistance she
can get here to turn it all around on you can bite you in the ass. This
state has all kinds of assistance for mothers here, and I can assure you,
once the kid is here, it WILL be a fight you did not anticipate. DO NOT get
cocky about it. I've had to fight this system here. Florida is a piece of
cake in comparison.
Now, take my advice if you want or not, but remember, I live here.


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John Riggs

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Nov 12, 2004, 1:17:17 AM11/12/04
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You know, the more you post, the less you sound like a nice guy.
You do realize that ALL THREE children matter, right?

Money is not everything. Money has a way of disappearing if you get too
cocky.
Someone will inherently liberate your assets, and line someone else's or
they own pockets, and divorces have a nasty way of having that happen.


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Rambler

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Nov 12, 2004, 7:12:21 AM11/12/04
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Bob wrote:

> ?
>
> LOL
>
> I have to laugh. Everything will be fine on my end. I am filing for divorce
> tomorrow under my terms. This is the benefit of having money. I will post my
> final results when they come through.
>
> With my career, I don't want 100% custody, but I know that my daughter would
> be 1000% better under my roof than my in-laws in Nebraska.
>
> Should I seek custody, I will win. My wife was Baker Acted less than 90 days
> ago because she mixed alcohol and prescription drugs.
>
> Having her Baker Acted... sealed the deal. A little bit of money and my
> daughter is mine... should I choose to seek that custody. I will seek that
> custody, but I will do it out of spite and in the end... let my wife keep my
> daughter because I can. It will only cost her more in the long run. I might
> have to sell a toy or two to fund this "breakup" but it will be worth it all
> the way and I will do it with a smile on my face.
>
> BTW, you can call me Brian.

I have no clue who Brian is, but it is obviously important enough to you
(or you think you are important enough that other people should know).

But I will ahve to say that your "LOL" comment made me laugh out loud.
Please do post the results ... humility would be good for you.

And the fact that you would put your kid through hell because you want
to do it out of spite for your ex is, well, a real character statement.

Not knowing about the Werecritter, I think I should become informed,
because if it walks like and duck and talks like a duck, it might be a
pig in sheeps clothing.

Rambler

Bob

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Nov 12, 2004, 7:17:08 AM11/12/04
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This is what makes divorces what they are... nasty.

I'll do what I want to do and I will win. Having a judge on my side in my
state is the cat in the bag.

I'll keep you all informed.

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YooperBoyka

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"John Riggs" <johnr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> I wonder if anyone ever takes the perspective that "The kid gets it
> all"
> and the court determines which parent they get custody of. From that
> perspective, how do you suppose people would look at things?


<wry smile>
Not bad John,...not bad.


YooperBoyka

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"Bob" <b...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> This is what makes divorces what they are... nasty.
>
> I'll do what I want to do and I will win.

The above statement is an obvious clue to why
divorces are "what they are... nasty"
It says all we need to know.


John Riggs

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....and so the judge sniffs the air and detects the unmistakable stench
of zealousness contempt.....and rules against you.
Really, try to understand how this CAN go against you, particularly if you
come off this snippy in court.
Attitude has a habit of coming around and biting you in the ass. A least
let the judge believe he is in control, eh?

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John Riggs

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I'm having my moments.....but you seem to approve of the concept.


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Casey

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Bob said

> She says absence will make the heart grow fonder. Just another example of
> her not understanding life.
>
> I will come off as a total prick by the time this is all over.

Doesn't seem to bother you a whole lot.

Casey

Rambler

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John Riggs wrote:

> I wonder if anyone ever takes the perspective that "The kid gets it all"
> and the court determines which parent they get custody of. From that
> perspective, how do you suppose people would look at things?

Really good way to look at things.

Rambler

Rambler

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Nov 12, 2004, 11:18:16 AM11/12/04
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Bob wrote:

> This is what makes divorces what they are... nasty.
>
> I'll do what I want to do and I will win. Having a judge on my side in my
> state is the cat in the bag.
>
> I'll keep you all informed.

You do that Bob/Brian. The power of positive thinking. Don't feel bad
if people laugh when it doesn't turn out the way you are expecting it to.

Rambler

Rambler

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Casey wrote:

And seems to have happened a heck of a lot earlier then by the time the
whole thing is over.

Rambler

Roger B.

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"Casey" <cclremov...@cox.net> wrote...
> Bob said

>> I will come off as a total prick by the time this is all over.

> Doesn't seem to bother you a whole lot.

Guys, he's a newcomer, and his wife didn't walk thru the
door, he did. So, I suggest that we lighten up, pull up some
folding chairs and watch this train wreck without getting in
the way.
If my ex had loaded up the kids and high-tailed it to Nebraska,
I might cop an indignant attitude and sound a tad self-righteous.
Divorces have a way of teaching us all a little humility, and if it
don't do the trick for this dude, nothing that we say will. [R]


YooperBoyka

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"John Riggs" <johnr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> I'm having my moments.....but you seem to approve of the concept.
>

I approve of people trying to see beyond their
own narrow perspective, for sure.
Your question certainly seemed indicative of thinking
"outside the box".


YooperBoyka

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Sorry,...I don't laugh at tragedy.


John Riggs

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The hazards of life on the prairie, lot of "outside the box" things to
consider....like big-horned sheep, grouse, deer, antelope, bison, pheasant,
duck, goose........

The outdoors is good for the soul, and an 8 mile horizon is even better.


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YooperBoyka

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"John Riggs" <johnr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> The hazards of life on the prairie, lot of "outside the box" things to
> consider....like big-horned sheep, grouse, deer, antelope, bison,
> pheasant,
> duck, goose........
>
> The outdoors is good for the soul, and an 8 mile horizon is even
> better.

I agree with the first part,...but I prefer the comfort of a thick forest
or swamp.
An eight mile horizon on the lake means the fog is rollin' in.
;^)


Joe St. Lucas

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>> I'll do what I want to do and I will win. Having a judge on my side in my
>> state is the cat in the bag.
>>
>> I'll keep you all informed.

Actually, then, it sounds like you don't need this group at all since you
have all the bases covered and your wife is hosed.

Joy

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"John Riggs" <johnr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> I wonder if anyone ever takes the perspective that "The kid gets it
all"
> and the court determines which parent they get custody of. From that
> perspective, how do you suppose people would look at things?

Might get complex if you have multiple adult children.

Bob

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My soon to be ex-wife and I have agreed to settle this divorce mutually.

We will be divorced and I will pay her $500 a month until our mutual child
is 18. This will not start until her minivan is paid off which won't be for
another... well, however long I decide to refinance the van. Maybe 10 years
or longer once I pad the loan officer's pocket at the credit union who
happens to be a client.

I paid $300 to my attorney to draft the contract. She is to sign when she
arrives in Nebraska and it will be witnessed by a friend that is a notary
public.

This is without a judge deciding anything people. This is simply by two
people... working it out.

$500 a month is a piss in the wind and worth it all the way once the van is
paid off.

So, in the end, I win.

Posted for Google future reference for the next sorry bastard.

I only posted here because I couldn't find any information on Google
regarding Florida law. Period.

Thanks for your support. My last post. RIP
-B


Rambler

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Nov 12, 2004, 10:44:13 PM11/12/04
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Bob wrote:

<Snip drivel>

Feel sorry for that guy's kid. Kid is probably much better off not
having daily contact with that guy.

Amazing how this all happened within 24 hours as she was driving to
Nebraska from Florida ... things that make you go "hmmmm......"

What the poor guy doesn't realize is that she can re-open the
child-support thing at anytime she wants to. Guess my previous prophecy
was true ... ha ha ha ... people laughing at this guy after he "settles"
the situation.

Rambler

rj

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Maybe it's "settled" and maybe not.

One thing is for sure, if she decides to put the screws to him, we'll
likely never hear about it from *him*.

rj


Casey

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Rambler said

> Bob wrote:
>
> <Snip drivel>
>
> Feel sorry for that guy's kid. Kid is probably much better off not
> having daily contact with that guy.
>
> Amazing how this all happened within 24 hours as she was driving to
> Nebraska from Florida ... things that make you go "hmmmm......"

This eerily reminds me of the <none> guy ("Any advice" thread, Nov 7th)
that miraculously presented his wife with a detailed spreadsheet of
settlement terms 6 hours after posting that he'd continue to let her
have an affair in hopes she'd come back and was pondering having an
"open marriage" for a long time.


Casey

Bob

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Probably not because she won't. I will be living overseas by the time she
ever meets a dickhead like you that tries to take more of my money.


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Bob

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Sorry I missed that... although, I would love to meet the slut. Women are
good for one thing... fucking and kicking to the curb. If I only stuck to
those terms with this last cunt, I wouldn't be posting to this group.

Thanks for the eternal membership and don't be sad because my deal worked
out. While I would have loved for her to stay at home and do her job (which
was what she agreed to in the beginning) we wouldn't be here today. She had
the life that women dream of. I told her when and if she decided to leave,
she would lose it all. She decided that family was more important than
money, but in the end... it's money that drives the root of all evil. Funny
how that is.

I think the biggest fuckup most people think is that they HAVE to hire an
attorney and they HAVE to let the judge decide the divorce. That's fucking
bullshit. I did this under my terms, but under the advice of a judge and the
best friend of the judge.

Thanks for your feedback and while I know most of you want to continue to
flame me for having such a quick resolution... to you people... get off the
net. Find another hobby... go fuck yourselves.


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Rambler

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Bob wrote:

> Probably not because she won't. I will be living overseas by the time she
> ever meets a dickhead like you that tries to take more of my money.

This guy is really maximizing his joy out of life. So much for the last
post being his last post.

Lee, is that you, Jaycee, or Bob with two "o"'s?

Rambler

Rambler

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Bob wrote:

> Sorry I missed that... although, I would love to meet the slut. Women are
> good for one thing... fucking and kicking to the curb. If I only stuck to
> those terms with this last cunt, I wouldn't be posting to this group.
>
> Thanks for the eternal membership and don't be sad because my deal worked
> out.

rofl! Sure looks like a winner (whiner?) to me.

> While I would have loved for her to stay at home and do her job (which
> was what she agreed to in the beginning)

And what would that be ... fucking and being kicked to the curb? Great
job description. 'Course I would have a hard time believing a pansy
like yourself would be capable of either ... sure that kid is yours?

> we wouldn't be here today.

no, you probably wouldn't be here if you weren't such a dick. But the
clue phone has been ringing off the hook, and you can't seem to hear it.

> She had
> the life that women dream of.

Save being married to you. But hey, pretty soon she *will* have the
life every woman dreams of.

>I told her when and if she decided to leave,
> she would lose it all. She decided that family was more important than
> money, but in the end... it's money that drives the root of all evil. Funny
> how that is.

And you would know about the root of all evil, I am sure.

> I think the biggest fuckup most people think is that they HAVE to hire an
> attorney and they HAVE to let the judge decide the divorce. That's fucking
> bullshit. I did this under my terms, but under the advice of a judge and the
> best friend of the judge.

Wow, a winner. Guess your judge and judge's friend forgot to point out
a whole bunch of stuff. Come on out to Singapore ... the water's fine.

> Thanks for your feedback and while I know most of you want to continue to
> flame me for having such a quick resolution... to you people... get off the
> net. Find another hobby... go fuck yourselves.

Ah ... a true connoiseur of all things fine. Well again, as I've said
before, ha, ha, ha.

Rambler

Bob

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Wrong. The stipulation of this contract is only renegotiable every 10 years
if SHE chooses to renegotiate. Which she won't. She's passive and knows that
I can take our mutual child away from her, but I chose not to because money
is more important to me than any person. Yes, I am a bastard.


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Casey

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Bob said

> Sorry I missed that... although, I would love to meet the slut. Women are
> good for one thing... fucking and kicking to the curb. If I only stuck to
> those terms with this last cunt, I wouldn't be posting to this group.

That was special.


Casey

Rambler

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Oh, and tying it all to paying off a van?!? How funny is this. I didn't
know they had internet connections in the trailor park these days. Or
is Mom's basement all wired up?

Must be one shag of a van, that's all I can say.

Thanks for the daily amusement.

Rambler

Rambler wrote:

> Bob wrote:
>
>> Wrong. The stipulation of this contract is only renegotiable every 10
>> years if SHE chooses to renegotiate. Which she won't. She's passive
>> and knows that I can take our mutual child away from her, but I chose
>> not to because money is more important to me than any person. Yes, I
>> am a bastard.
>
>

> No, you are a moron.
>
> Under law, dickfuck, they look to the children's best interest. A court
> will void that contract faster than you can wipe your ass.
>
> First of all it was coerced. Second, she is not under legal advice, so
> she can go back on that one as well. Third, any change in circumstances
> allow the court to go back and look at this. You are a clueless
> dumbfuck is what you are, not a bastard. You are too stupid to be a
> bastard. In fact, now that you have drafted that agreement, it is a
> legal document and it too will be admissable in court, which will again
> go nicely *against* you. All it takes is *one* person to speak to your
> wife, and your ass is toast.
>
> Again, ha, ha, ha. This stupidity of "I did it quick and got my way" is
> just too funny. Remember the old adage of "A person who represents
> themselves has a fool for a client?" You, brite-star, are a shining
> example.
>
> Get yourself on a plane and get the hell out of dodge. Don't go to
> Singapore because yes indeed they do have treaties with the US and you
> are screwed there. Pick a banana republic. Obviously, given your umph
> on $500 bucks, you make no money at all, so at least your lack of funds
> will go farther.
>
> <slaps head and walks away from the conversation>
>
> I love clueless people.
>
> Rambler

Bob

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LOL. You played right into my trolling Rambler. Who's the idiot now?

One of the best in a lifetime.


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Denise F. Hayden

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It's amazing that a woman would not want to stay married to this charmer.

Denise

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Rambler

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Denise F. Hayden wrote:
> It's amazing that a woman would not want to stay married to this charmer.

Rofl! Always the attorney. Direct and to the point with words!

Rambler

DrLith

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"Bob" <b...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> LOL. You played right into my trolling Rambler. Who's the idiot now?
>
> One of the best in a lifetime.

If only he had remembered his bubble of serenity.


John Riggs

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Obviously you didn't look very hard for Florida law/
http://www.floridalawonline.net/

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Casey

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Denise F. Hayden said
> "Bob" spewed
> >> Casey said

> >>
> >> This eerily reminds me of the <none> guy ("Any advice" thread, Nov 7th)
> >> that miraculously presented his wife with a detailed spreadsheet of
> >> settlement terms 6 hours after posting that he'd continue to let her
> >> have an affair in hopes she'd come back and was pondering having an
> >> "open marriage" for a long time.
> >
> > Sorry I missed that... although, I would love to meet the slut. Women are
> > good for one thing... fucking and kicking to the curb. If I only stuck to
> > those terms with this last cunt, I wouldn't be posting to this group.
> >
> > <snip>

> >
> > Thanks for your feedback and while I know most of you want to continue to
> > flame me for having such a quick resolution... to you people... get off
> > the net. Find another hobby... go fuck yourselves.
> >
> It's amazing that a woman would not want to stay married to this charmer.

Just boggles the brain, doesn't it?

Casey

Casey

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Bob said

> LOL. You played right into my trolling Rambler. Who's the idiot now?

Look in the mirror and you'll see who.


> One of the best in a lifetime.

Must be sad being you.

You seriously need to get a life.


Casey

John Riggs

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You know you're making it hard to want to help you, don't you?

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John Riggs

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Hey, in case no one has told you such, even if she had a contract with
you, the kid can't be part of that contract.


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Janie

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"Bob" <b...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<8R1ld.19213$8G4....@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>...

> This is what makes divorces what they are... nasty.
>
> I'll do what I want to do and I will win. Having a judge on my side in my
> state is the cat in the bag.
>
> I'll keep you all informed.

Your words sound like the words of an 8 year old who has been roughed
up in the school yard by the class bully and is determined to get
revenge, Brian. Your NNTP host checks out, which doesn't exactly
prove anything, but it does reduce the odds that you are a troll.

Personally, I think I'd rather know a troll than an 8 year old angry
child in a grown man's body. One form of acting out is usually meant
to pull people's "virtual" legs, the latter type - however - seems
bent on doing serious real-time harm through their acting out.

I wonder if your wife knows how truly well off she is now?

Janie

--
The bigger the spur, the bigger the prick. ~Piebald Plato

Janie

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"John Riggs" <johnr...@netzero.net> wrote in message news:<2vk1inF...@uni-berlin.de>...
> ....and so the judge sniffs the air and detects the unmistakable stench
> of zealousness contempt.....and rules against you.
> Really, try to understand how this CAN go against you, particularly if you
> come off this snippy in court.
> Attitude has a habit of coming around and biting you in the ass. A least
> let the judge believe he is in control, eh?

Folks like this usually know when its time to kiss ass, and tend to do
it quite well. I think that's part of what makes them so zealous in
their attacks against those they consider weaker than they are - the
stench they think they have to live with by kissing ass to get where
they want to go in life makes them ugly.

;-)
Janie

(One of those rare times when the person *and* the behaviors seem
equally despicable.)

Janie

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"Roger B." <rcblin...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Guys, he's a newcomer, and his wife didn't walk thru the
> door, he did. So, I suggest that we lighten up, pull up some
> folding chairs and watch this train wreck without getting in
> the way.

Sad and pathetic as it may be, I'm not sure its going to be
entertaining enough for an audience as reality unfolds for him, Rog.
Though clearly this person craves an audience ;-)

Once my initial surprise at such a sad example of a human being wears
off (by the time I'm through with dinner I'm sure), it will just be
one more loser not worth interacting* with. (Like Psychotic Man.)

Janie

*Not to be confused with talking *at* or *about* - which can be a
mildly entertaining diversion while waiting for the surprise to fade -
and which prevents me from feeling any genuine sadness for the guy, an
emotion I don't think he deserves - from me, at least. I know there
are more tender-hearted people than me here, who will in fact feel sad
for the guy - phooey! <g>

Janie

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"Bob" <b...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<F9nld.20076$8G4....@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>...

> LOL. You played right into my trolling Rambler. Who's the idiot now?
>
> One of the best in a lifetime.

When did Psychotic Man move to Tampa?

Janie

--
A horse by any other name would still be a horse. Same goes for a
jackass. ~Piebald Plato

Janie

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"John Riggs" <johnr...@netzero.net> wrote in message news:<2vmr4kF...@uni-berlin.de>...

> Obviously you didn't look very hard for Florida law/
> http://www.floridalawonline.net/

Obviously, everything Bob/Brian has typed here is a lie... the wife,
the kids, the mini-van, the "international finance" job, the money,
the judge friend, etc.

I've only noticed one sentence/claim that is likely to be true:

"I have been under an enormous amount of stress due to [mental]
illness."

<g>
Janie

--
You can lead a fool to talk, but you can't make him think. ~Piebald
Plato

John Riggs

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Yup...posted before he 'fessed to trolling.


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John Riggs

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but an 8 mile horizon the prairie is a beautiful thing, day or night and
in all seasons.

"YooperBoyka" <cj.don'tw...@no.spam> wrote in message
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|
| "John Riggs" <johnr...@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:2vk9giF...@uni-berlin.de...
| > The hazards of life on the prairie, lot of "outside the box" things
to
| > consider....like big-horned sheep, grouse, deer, antelope, bison,
| > pheasant,
| > duck, goose........
| >
| > The outdoors is good for the soul, and an 8 mile horizon is even
| > better.
|
| I agree with the first part,...but I prefer the comfort of a thick forest
| or swamp.
| An eight mile horizon on the lake means the fog is rollin' in.
| ;^)
|
|


Chuck

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Women (and the courts) are , for the most part, the same everywhere.
Get married (or not) have some kids,,,, you then have a meal ticket
for at least 18 years....

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:18:34 -0600, "John Riggs"
<johnr...@netzero.net> wrote:

> Try here for a quick FAQ on Nebraska divorce.
>http://www.uslegalforms.com/divorce/nebraska-divorce-faq.htm
>
> I've divorced twice here. I give up on dating or marrying Nebraska
>women.
>
>
>"Roger B." <rcblin...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:2eQkd.15571$z3.1...@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>| "Bob" <b...@nospam.com> wrote...
>| > Thank you for your input.
>| > The van was packed a few minutes ago and she is on the road...
>| > We have agreed to look at this as a seperation, but I don't know
>| > for how long. I may file and just be through with it all.
>| > I would rather live in silence than live the hell I have been living.
>| > I am sure she feels the same.
>|
>| You need to file in Florida. Florida is the proper venue, since
>| that's where you last lived as husband and wife, where the marital
>| assets are located and where legal residency requirements have
>| been met. She may try to finesse whatever residency requirements
>| Nebraska has, so you need to assert Florida's jurisdiction ASAP.
>| Child custody and long-arm service of process can be complex,
>| so I urge you to consult an attorney. [R]
>|
>|
>

John Riggs

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Well, there are those that refuse to take a thing from you if you aren't
going to stick around.


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Chuck

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I'd just like to meet one who knows what commitment means...

Rambler

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Nov 14, 2004, 9:13:53 AM11/14/04
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Bob wrote:
> LOL. You played right into my trolling Rambler. Who's the idiot now?

Ow, ooh, ouch ... um, you are?

> One of the best in a lifetime.

Best what ... trollers? What a great claim to fame. To bad I could
care less about the trolling game. Otherwise, you would have got me.

Rambler

YooperBoyka

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"John Riggs" <johnr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> but an 8 mile horizon the prairie is a beautiful thing, day or night
> and
> in all seasons.

I do agree that it's beautiful, but the entire time I spent in the plains
I felt "exposed".
I had a feeling of not having a point of reference.
...open in all directions.
I guess it was the "sameness" of the place no matter where I was.
It was an odd feeling.
Kinda like being lost on the lake.


John Riggs

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Nov 14, 2004, 10:50:18 AM11/14/04
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I suppose, but you can't drown on a prairie. What I really like is that
the further west you get from here, the bigger the sky gets. No damnable
trees or tall buildings to obscure your view. It just seems so much less
confining, much more exhilarating. Unlike thousands of miles of open ocean,
it makes you glad to be alive.


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LoriMc

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Nov 14, 2004, 11:52:57 AM11/14/04
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John Riggs wrote:
> I suppose, but you can't drown on a prairie. What I really like is
> that the further west you get from here, the bigger the sky gets. No
> damnable trees or tall buildings to obscure your view. It just seems
> so much less confining, much more exhilarating. Unlike thousands of
> miles of open ocean, it makes you glad to be alive.

I was enjoying the view the otherday on my drive into the city. The corn
has been cut from all the fields and you can see for literally miles at a
glance.

Lori Mc

Roger B.

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Nov 14, 2004, 12:01:08 PM11/14/04
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No. You just get sucked up into the sky by tornadoes,
like Dorothy. [R]

"John Riggs" <johnr...@netzero.net> wrote...


> I suppose, but you can't drown on a prairie.

> "YooperBoyka" <cj.don'tw...@no.spam> wrote...

John Riggs

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Nov 14, 2004, 12:20:00 PM11/14/04
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Ain't it great?

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John Riggs

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Nov 14, 2004, 12:22:10 PM11/14/04
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So far, 3 and 0. 3 direct hits, 3X escape unharmed. Eventually the law
of averages will catch up to me, but for what it's worth, tornadoes are way
cool to watch when they aren't embedded in the rain.

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Bill in Co.

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Nov 14, 2004, 1:33:21 PM11/14/04
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Don't knock trees! I LOVE trees and forests! I'd love to live in the
middle of a forest of 100 or 200 foot pine trees (as in Maine).

John Riggs

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Nov 14, 2004, 1:42:18 PM11/14/04
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Trees are fine...in moderation, but a prairie just doesn't look the same
with a few hundred thousand acres of trees.....it sorta ceases to be a
prairie then. Of course, as you know, Nebraska is the home of Arbor day, and
Arbor Lodge is only 44 miles down the road.


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Bill in Co.

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Nov 14, 2004, 1:48:37 PM11/14/04
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I guess you're not like me then - you don't want to be hidden or buried in a
forest, with nobody around to bother ya. Your companions being...the 200
foot pine trees.

YooperBoyka

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"John Riggs" <johnr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> I suppose, but you can't drown on a prairie. What I really like is that
> the further west you get from here, the bigger the sky gets. No damnable
> trees or tall buildings to obscure your view. It just seems so much less
> confining, much more exhilarating. Unlike thousands of miles of open
> ocean,
> it makes you glad to be alive.

<big grin>
To each his own, I guess.
Maybe I'll learn to appreciate it someday.
I still like trees though.
Lotsa trees.

YooperBoyka

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"Roger B." <rcblin...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> No. You just get sucked up into the sky by tornadoes,
> like Dorothy. [R]

Funny thing is,...we get our share of weird winds in Michigan too.
Google "Beecher tornado" "1953"

John Riggs

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Nov 14, 2004, 2:18:10 PM11/14/04
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My horse enjoys trees 'cause things grow under them. Of course we both
enjoy the shade. My best use is for cover. IR has a hard time with pine
trees for some reason, and it conceals me from my game

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LoriMc

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Nov 14, 2004, 11:44:48 PM11/14/04
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John Riggs wrote:
> Ain't it great?

I think so. The landscape changes with every season here. My favorite
season is usually the one we are in at the moment. I love the sound the
leaves make as I walk through the yard.

Lori Mc

YooperBoyka

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"LoriMc" <LoriMc11@THE_SPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> John Riggs wrote:
>> Ain't it great?
>
> I think so. The landscape changes with every season here. My favorite
> season is usually the one we are in at the moment. I love the sound the
> leaves make as I walk through the yard.


Where do the leaves come from if there ain't no trees?
:^)


LoriMc

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Nov 15, 2004, 8:03:36 AM11/15/04
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I don't actually live in the middle of the corn field!
The street I live on has a boulevard, so I have an entire row of big lovely
trees running right in front of the house. They make a beautiful canopy of
shade in the summer, not to mention a habitat for that herd of squirrels.

Lori Mc


DrLith

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Nov 15, 2004, 3:06:45 PM11/15/04
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"YooperBoyka" <cj.don'tw...@no.spam> wrote in message
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Walt Whitman wrote this really cool book of poetry called "Leaves of Grass."
I think that's what they got out on da Grand Prairie.


YooperBoyka

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Nov 15, 2004, 4:02:32 PM11/15/04
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Yeahbut....
and then....
or,...
...an' she said she had *trees*!!!
<sigh>
Awright.
I'll dig it out again.

(...but only God can make a tree)
;^)


John Riggs

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Nov 15, 2004, 5:39:14 PM11/15/04
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Believe it or not, there is the occasional tree on a prairie, but since
old man Morton ( you know...Morton salt ...that Morton ) got folks hooked on
planting trees, it's hard to find, except much further west, places that are
as they were before being settled.
I found it interesting that Bill Cody and Morton were friends, which
kinda tells you how far back the area was being settled, and there is still
a room in Arbor Lodge where Cody stayed with the Mortons occasionally. The
place is huge, lots of land, lots of trees, orchards, etc. and the mansion
is built with different hardwoods throughout, with inlays on floors. It's a
really nice place. Old man Morton knew how to live, that's for sure. If a
guy is traveling through the area, it's a nice place to take the family on a
day trip.

This state is kinda strange. It goes from lush landscape in the east to
prairie, desert, and dunes in the west. The Oregon trail follows the Platte
river from one end of the state to the other.

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John Riggs

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Nov 15, 2004, 5:41:03 PM11/15/04
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Same here. I think Yoop was getting on me though. I hate living in
town, but, such is life at the moment.


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John Riggs

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Nov 15, 2004, 5:43:32 PM11/15/04
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Pull it together, Yoop. Don't fall apart now.

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Fido

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"DrLith" <drl...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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>
>
>
> Walt Whitman wrote this really cool book of poetry called "Leaves of
> Grass." I think that's what they got out on da Grand Prairie.


mmmm...

Excerpt: "From Pent Up Aching Rivers"

....

(To talk to the perfect girl who understands me,
To waft to her these from my own lips-to effuse them from my own body;)
From privacy-from frequent repinings alone;
From plenty of persons near, and yet the right person not near;
From the soft sliding of hands over me, and thrusting of fingers through
my hair and beard;
From the long sustain’d kiss upon the mouth or bosom;
From the close pressure that makes me or any man drunk, fainting with
excess;
From what the divine husband knows-from the work of fatherhood;
From exultation, victory, and relief-from the bedfellow’s embrace in the
night;
From the act-poems of eyes, hands, hips, and bosoms,
From the cling of the trembling arm,
From the bending curve and the clinch,
From side by side, the pliant coverlid off-throwing,
From the one so unwilling to have me leave-and me just as unwilling to
leave,
(Yet a moment, O tender waiter, and I return;)
-From the hour of shining stars and dropping dews,
From the night, a moment, I, emerging, flitting out,
Celebrate you, act divine-and you, children prepared for,
And you, stalwart loins.

Here the whole thing - with hyperlinks to the individual poems:

http://www.bartleby.com/142/1.html


Best - Fido

As I Ponder’d in Silence

1

AS I ponder’d in silence,
Returning upon my poems, considering, lingering long,
A Phantom arose before me, with distrustful aspect,
Terrible in beauty, age, and power,
The genius of poets of old lands, 5
As to me directing like flame its eyes,
With finger pointing to many immortal songs,
And menacing voice, What singest thou? it said;
Know’st thou not, there is but one theme for ever-enduring bards?
And that is the theme of War, the fortune of battles,
The making of perfect soldiers?

2

Be it so, then I answer’d,
I too, haughty Shade, also sing war-and a longer and greater one than any,
Waged in my book with varying fortune-with flight, advance, and retreat-
Victory deferr’d and wavering,
(Yet, methinks, certain, or as good as certain, at the last,)-The field
the world;
For life and death-for the Body, and for the eternal Soul,
Lo! too am come, chanting the chant of battles,
I, above all, promote brave soldiers.

>
>
>

Roger B.

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"DrLith" <drl...@hotmail.com> wrote...

> Walt Whitman wrote this really cool book of poetry called
> "Leaves of Grass." I think that's what they got out on da
> Grand Prairie.

and Marjory Stoneman Douglas wrote a really cool book called
"River of Grass" about the Florida Everglades... b4 it became
a National Park. It actually has trees -- just thought I'd pile on.
[R]


DrLith

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"Fido" <tomch...@gwi.net> wrote in message
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> "DrLith" <drl...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:2vsgimF...@uni-berlin.de:
> > Walt Whitman wrote this really cool book of poetry called "Leaves of
> > Grass." I think that's what they got out on da Grand Prairie.

> mmmm...
> Excerpt: "From Pent Up Aching Rivers"

<snip>


> From the bending curve and the clinch,
> From side by side, the pliant coverlid off-throwing,

shhhhh....you're gonna blow the cover of us blue-stocking English majors,
all intellectual and whatnot reading our tattered copies of Whitman late at
night.


Bob

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Nov 16, 2004, 6:12:21 PM11/16/04
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Look at the way you attacked me when things started getting twisted in this
post. This newsgroup should be pulled from usenet. The only reason for my
post was for a college term paper in my psych class at University of Tampa.
I succeeded by getting an A and proving my point... the Internet is NOT the
place for this type of counseling. 99% of the regulars in this room should
seek the help of a psychiatrist.

I will be available in one year.

-B

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> Yup...posted before he 'fessed to trolling.
>
>
> "Janie" <puff...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:80620728.04111...@posting.google.com...


> | "John Riggs" <johnr...@netzero.net> wrote in message

> news:<2vmr4kF...@uni-berlin.de>...
> | > Obviously you didn't look very hard for Florida law/
> | > http://www.floridalawonline.net/
> |
> | Obviously, everything Bob/Brian has typed here is a lie... the wife,
> | the kids, the mini-van, the "international finance" job, the money,
> | the judge friend, etc.
> |
> | I've only noticed one sentence/claim that is likely to be true:
> |
> | "I have been under an enormous amount of stress due to [mental]
> | illness."
> |
> | <g>
> | Janie
> |
> | --
> | You can lead a fool to talk, but you can't make him think. ~Piebald
> | Plato
>
>


Fido

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Nov 16, 2004, 6:26:09 PM11/16/04
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"DrLith" <drl...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Hey, you love your coverlid too much to be off-throwing.


Best - Fido

John Riggs

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Go away, troll. Shoo!


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Rambler

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Bob wrote:

> Look at the way you attacked me when things started getting twisted in this
> post. This newsgroup should be pulled from usenet. The only reason for my
> post was for a college term paper in my psych class at University of Tampa.
> I succeeded by getting an A and proving my point... the Internet is NOT the
> place for this type of counseling. 99% of the regulars in this room should
> seek the help of a psychiatrist.
>
> I will be available in one year.

Rofl! Where? In Singapore?

Rambler

Casey

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Nov 16, 2004, 8:42:39 PM11/16/04
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Bob said

> Look at the way you attacked me when things started getting twisted in this
> post.

Actually, you got attacked for acting like an ass.

Casey

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