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inky

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Sep 21, 2002, 6:25:10 PM9/21/02
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People are scum.

Accept it.
Live.
Die.
Then move on.

Denise F. Hayden

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Sep 21, 2002, 6:27:42 PM9/21/02
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Something tells me our ML is not having her best day.......what has got you
down today, sweetie?

Denise


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Indy

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Sep 21, 2002, 6:30:52 PM9/21/02
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Well some are scum, some are just misguided into being scum, and others well I
wouldn't insult the scum by calling them that.. And then there are a select few
who aren't..

Sam (was Mike Easter)

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Sep 21, 2002, 6:38:25 PM9/21/02
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nomo...@nowhere.noplace (inky) wrote in
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I've always felt a little better after reading your advice for me. I
couldn't consider someone that had a good heart like yours scum. So, I'm
afraid in this instance I'm going to have to disagree with you!

*hugs*

Sam

Daisy

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Sep 21, 2002, 7:01:09 PM9/21/02
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Oh (((Inky))) what's wrong honey?

Daisy


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inky

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Sep 21, 2002, 7:10:14 PM9/21/02
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In article <zh6j9.383$Cz2....@news.iquest.net>, "Denise F. Hayden" <dfha...@iquest.net> wrote:
>Something tells me our ML is not having her best day.......what has got you
>down today, sweetie?

Hormones sounds like a good excuse. I just feel ugly and worthless and old
today.

Denise F. Hayden

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Sep 21, 2002, 7:24:16 PM9/21/02
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Hmmmm...........sounds like a monkey limerick needs to be written:

Once there was a monkey named Lou,
Who did the old monkey do.
He was watching a nun
Not having any fun,
And then he decided to fling poo!

Tag you're it...........

Denise

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Roger

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Sep 21, 2002, 7:31:01 PM9/21/02
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"inky" <nomo...@nowhere.noplace> wrote...
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But Shirley, you know that this is not news.

"Grey skies are gonna clear up
Put on a happy face
Brush off the clouds and cheer up
Put on a happy face .... "

Don't shoot me, I'm only the piano player!
--Rog'--

Bill in Colorado

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Sep 21, 2002, 7:31:15 PM9/21/02
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Exactly.

Bill in Colorado

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Sep 21, 2002, 7:47:50 PM9/21/02
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Sam is right on, ML!!!

Robert Grumbine

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Sep 21, 2002, 8:18:10 PM9/21/02
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In article <q%6j9.92059$Pf7.3...@news1.west.cox.net>,

Err .. not to be a bearer of dark news, but it has seemed to me that
all is not well in your corner of the world for more like a week or two.

Probably not too related, but can't hurt: You never did write about
your treadmill question. Post it or email it. I'll see it sooner or
later either way and answer.

While such things are in my mind, one of my running friends had a lot
of fun (as did I) at the Stupid Little 5k I mentioned recently. The
good mood flowed through the rest of her week. A good day running/walking/
whatever can indeed provide a lift. For me it was today's trail run.
My first time on a certain trail in about 6 months. It's an hour long
trail, with a notable set of hills about half to 2/3rds of the way in.
Always a lift to reach the top of Holly Hill. (Part of the lift
is that I'm finally _able_ to run that route again. A few weeks ago
I couldn't have finished it.)

--
Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links.
Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

inky

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Sep 21, 2002, 9:08:15 PM9/21/02
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I'm just feeling very depressed for several reasons, and i'm trying my
damndest not to strike out at anyone for it. Yeah, the treadmill question...
I did ask my son and he gave me an answer, since he's into science and
physics and stuff, but i'm still confused.

If i'm using my treadmill expending X amount of energy, then i set it for an
"incline" even tho the motor and stuff is set the same, why am i getting more
of a workout? Isn't it just a different angle? Now, i know in REAL
walking/running, a hill would mean more gravity resistence. But my body mass
(which feels massive as HELL lately) is in one stationery place, and the set
resistence would be the same. So, why is the incline more of a workout, and
even feel like more???


In article <amj282$neu$1...@news1.radix.net>, bo...@radix.net (Robert Grumbine)
wrote:

phenix

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Sep 21, 2002, 9:07:41 PM9/21/02
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Agreed. The trick though is to learn how to live well after you accept this.
A challenge worthy of the best minds and hearts of our time.

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Denise F. Hayden

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Sep 21, 2002, 9:11:20 PM9/21/02
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I think it has something to do with resistance..........but I am not sure if
it was the French resistance .........

Denise

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Joe

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Sep 21, 2002, 9:15:15 PM9/21/02
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>I think it has something to do with resistance

Resistance is futile...

>> I did ask my son and he gave me an answer, since he's into science and
>> physics and stuff, but i'm still confused.

Maybe because you're at an "angle" compared to normal walking and so your
muscles are hitting the treadmill at different points in their range of
stretchiness, and so it "feels" like you're walking harder. And raising your
legs ever so slightly to counter the pull of gravity might add a tweek to it.

inky

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Sep 21, 2002, 9:24:21 PM9/21/02
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In article <cH8j9.392$Cz2....@news.iquest.net>, "Denise F. Hayden" <dfha...@iquest.net> wrote:
>I think it has something to do with resistance..........but I am not sure if
>it was the French resistance .........

Well, my kid said that if the machine were turned off, and i stood still and
it were free-rolling, i would roll backwards on the incline, but not so on the
flat. So i would be working against at least a little gravity. Then he said
if i were climbing a rope that kept on giving down more rope, it would be
easier than climbing a stationery rope and having to move body mass upwards.
Gravity... Still hard to comprehend for a dumb blonde.

Denise F. Hayden

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Sep 21, 2002, 9:25:29 PM9/21/02
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HUH? Yes, I am a blonde too.......

Denise


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inky

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Sep 21, 2002, 9:26:23 PM9/21/02
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In article <vU8j9.393$Cz2....@news.iquest.net>, "Denise F. Hayden" <dfha...@iquest.net> wrote:
>HUH? Yes, I am a blonde too.......

Good, then you understand...

Denise F. Hayden

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Sep 21, 2002, 9:33:14 PM9/21/02
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Understand what?

Denise


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inky

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Sep 21, 2002, 9:45:37 PM9/21/02
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In article <N%8j9.394$Cz2....@news.iquest.net>, "Denise F. Hayden" <dfha...@iquest.net> wrote:
>Understand what?

Oh, then you DO understand...

Well, i have three Buds under my belt (referring to beer, for the
dirt-minded). Being a lightweight, i don't understand much of anything at
this point, except that i gotta pee.

drlith

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"inky" <nomo...@nowhere.noplace> wrote in message
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Well, I don't have a treadmill, so I don't know for sure, but I'm gonna
assume that "incline" actually physically inclines the angle of the track,
right? So, you lift up your back foot from a lower point and plant it down
at a point 2 or 3 inches higher (forget forward for now), and in the
process, you have to lift your ENTIRE BODY MASS (and it is massive, isn't
it?) 2 or 3 inches. That may not seem like a big deal (stepping up a little
3 inch curb doesn't take much out of you), except your doing it
probably--what--100 times a minute or more? That's 25 feet UP per minute.
Imagine scaling a 25 ft ladder in a minute (that's about 2 stories). That
requires a good amount of effort. So, that's the amount of energy you're
expending *in addition to* the amount of energy you would expend simply
running on the flat. That little 2 or 3 inches may not seem like hardly
anything, but at a running pace they add up quickly.


Donna

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Sep 21, 2002, 10:35:06 PM9/21/02
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uh-oh

The "scum" avengers are here to help - Just tell us who and why and we
are here for you!

D.

inky

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Sep 21, 2002, 11:35:09 PM9/21/02
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Well, that makes sense. even tho i'm not really going anywhere.

oh, and everybody isn't scum... just SOME people..

dvm

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Sep 22, 2002, 12:06:02 AM9/22/02
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ROFLMAO


Robert Grumbine

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Sep 22, 2002, 7:59:47 AM9/22/02
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In article <3K8j9.92288$Pf7.3...@news1.west.cox.net>,
inky <nomo...@nowhere.noplace> wrote:

>If i'm using my treadmill expending X amount of energy, then i set it for an
>"incline" even tho the motor and stuff is set the same, why am i getting more
>of a workout? Isn't it just a different angle? Now, i know in REAL
>walking/running, a hill would mean more gravity resistence. But my body mass
>(which feels massive as HELL lately) is in one stationery place, and the set
>resistence would be the same. So, why is the incline more of a workout, and
>even feel like more???

Dr. Kathy has the right of it. On the incline you have to raise your
body more to make that next footfall, and it takes energy to do that.

Different note: Running/walking on a treadmill is not intrinsically
different (in terms of energy and mechanics) than doing the same outdoors.
As long as you don't do things like hold on to the rails or let the
tread carry your feet back, both of which are bad ideas anyhow, it's
the same basic exercise. Set it for 1.5-2% incline (to make up for
wind resistance and the like) and the treadmill is much the same as
the road.

I use the treadmill as a mental image for myself and for the
beginning runners group. When you're running along in good form
outdoors, the pavement starts to feel like a treadmill -- the ground
is nicely unrolling underneath you as you comfortably* go through your
nice efficient stride. (This one, unfortunately, applies only to
running. In my experience, walking doesn't have quite the same
fluidity. Maybe I don't have as good form in walking.)

*The beginners balked a lot at my use of words like 'comfort' as
applied to running when they started. By the end of the program,
they agreed. It does take a few weeks, but, really, running is
a natural thing. It should, ultimately, be comfortable.

inky

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Sep 22, 2002, 3:23:02 PM9/22/02
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In article <amkbbj$d72$1...@news1.radix.net>, bo...@radix.net (Robert Grumbine) wrote:
> Set it for 1.5-2% incline (to make up for
>wind resistance and the like) and the treadmill is much the same as
>the road.

Yeah, wind resistance... That's something i kinda miss when i'm indoors, becuz
it dries up the sweat. I sweat like a pig on the treadmill, more so than
walking/jogging outside.

Xenos

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Sep 22, 2002, 3:48:46 PM9/22/02
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You give me some ideas.
I think I must burn some of my negative energy thru physical exercise.

inky

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Sep 22, 2002, 3:54:11 PM9/22/02
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In article <3D8E1E9E...@SPAMyahoo.com>, Xenos <dimit...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>You give me some ideas.
>I think I must burn some of my negative energy thru physical exercise.

yes, definitely!! Sometimes (like yesterday) i find myself full of this weird
feeling, it's like an "anger" with no object. I don't want to CREATE an
object of it, becuz i think it goes back to some childhood stuff i can't do
anything about (get even!) anyway. So it's just burning inside. I even get
self-destructive feelings at times. Some really vigorous exercise and loud
driving-music seems to work some of it out (that and crying). A good
side-effect is a nice flat stomach and (hopefully, eventually) a firm behind!
Not to mention a really strong heart and lungs.

Robert Grumbine

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>
>
>inky wrote:
>
>> In article <amkbbj$d72$1...@news1.radix.net>, bo...@radix.net (Robert
>Grumbine) wrote:
>> > Set it for 1.5-2% incline (to make up for
>> >wind resistance and the like) and the treadmill is much the same as
>> >the road.
>>
>> Yeah, wind resistance... That's something i kinda miss when i'm indoors, becuz
>> it dries up the sweat. I sweat like a pig on the treadmill, more so than
>> walking/jogging outside.

A small fan propped on the control board (maybe duct-tape, whatever)
helps a lot I'm told.


In article <3D8E1E9E...@SPAMyahoo.com>,
Xenos <dimit...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>You give me some ideas.
>I think I must burn some of my negative energy thru physical exercise.

It definitely helps. You do need a baseline of exercise to
begin with though. Otherwise you just wind up negative and injured.

still pretty busy but maintaining

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Robert Grumbine <bo...@radix.net> wrote in message
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> In article <3K8j9.92288$Pf7.3...@news1.west.cox.net>,

> *The beginners balked a lot at my use of words like 'comfort' as
> applied to running when they started. By the end of the program,
> they agreed. It does take a few weeks, but, really, running is
> a natural thing. It should, ultimately, be comfortable.
>

Does that mean that eventually it will stop bothering me in the knees and
back?

S.B.


Temily

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Sep 22, 2002, 8:43:03 PM9/22/02
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Loud music - dancing - and a good hour of exericise helps.....as does having
a long soothing luxurious bath - Or reading a fabulous escapist book, wine
in one hand....music playing.....are all good ways to 'vent' and have some
self care...

Lovemaking is good too...if you have a good partner to really let off steam
with :)

But the biggy for me.......is doing my drawings and sketches and when I'm
really in a 'mood' painting...with *lots* of bright paint and a huge canvas.
When I really feel like gouging...I do prints and sometimes go down to the
local potters club and buy a slab of clay to pound...

Have you ever thought of putting your hand to paint Inky?

I love my art...love creating....and love admiring it...it's a real release
for me...the other thing is writing (which we all do *sort of* in this NG)
It's a great way of exploring your feelings and discovering yourself...

And who knows...one day it might materialise into a best seller! Ohh la la!

Temily


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inky

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In article <rstj9.8836$6g7....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Temily" <tem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Loud music - dancing - and a good hour of exericise helps.....as does having
>a long soothing luxurious bath - Or reading a fabulous escapist book, wine
>in one hand....music playing.....are all good ways to 'vent' and have some
>self care...
>
>Lovemaking is good too...if you have a good partner to really let off steam
>with :)
>
>But the biggy for me.......is doing my drawings and sketches and when I'm
>really in a 'mood' painting...with *lots* of bright paint and a huge canvas.
>When I really feel like gouging...I do prints and sometimes go down to the
>local potters club and buy a slab of clay to pound...
>
>Have you ever thought of putting your hand to paint Inky?

Yeah, i used to sell my handpainted clothing, even had a business license and
everything.. Also designed art for rubber stamp companies (thus, the nick,
"Inky"). And made stuffed animals for sale. And hauntingly realistic b&w
portraits (pencil, charcoal)...I got offered a job in the children's
department at a JC Penny store, but they wanted me to paint while customers
watched, and i said i just couldn't do that.

Somehow i ran up with a "block" for some reason, about the time of divorce
and cancer, and can't seem to get my creativity back. I still kept all my
supplies.. I hope someday i'll get back my lost passion for art. I'm
interested in computer art (photoshop and stuff) but i just can't get
motivated. I used to make hand-painted Christmas cards every year up until
the divorce. Did the bulletin boards for the schools, designed art for the
church preschool. Even trick-or-treaters were treated to a hand-stamped
bookmark along with their candy.
I don't know why i can't make myself create anymore.
I get this sad feeling like somebody died. I hope that someday i can bring
that part of myself back to life.

Denise F. Hayden

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Sep 22, 2002, 10:47:25 PM9/22/02
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I hope you get that back too, my friend. And I know you
will...........because good things happen to good people.

Denise


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Bill in Colorado

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Sep 22, 2002, 11:41:25 PM9/22/02
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inky wrote:
> and can't seem to get my creativity back....

Sure you do. You display it right here, ML. We see it in your postings.
Don't lose it.

Bill


inky

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thanks.
That means a lot to me....

inky

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Sep 23, 2002, 12:40:33 AM9/23/02
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In article <3bvj9.457$Cz2....@news.iquest.net>, "Denise F. Hayden" <dfha...@iquest.net> wrote:
>I hope you get that back too, my friend. And I know you
>will...........because good things happen to good people.

Thanks, Denise...
I know i'm keeping all the supplies for some reason.. Funny, i still have the
"pictures" in my head... the characters, the scenery, all the colors... just
can't get them out of my head onto "paper" (or canvas or fabric or photoshop
document or whatever).. one of these days.....

Bill in Colorado

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Sep 23, 2002, 12:45:31 AM9/23/02
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In your own unique way, ML, I'd consider you one of the anchors (of sanity)
in this newsgroup. Lord knows we need some! (I won't go into the details
as to why). :-)

inky

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In article <L%wj9.9109$XE1.8...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Bill in Colorado" <wbhu...@no.spam.earthlink.net> wrote:
>In your own unique way, ML, I'd consider you one of the anchors (of sanity)
>in this newsgroup. Lord knows we need some! (I won't go into the details
>as to why). :-)

Yes, i am monkey, hear me roar.
Sanity, i am.
Banana yum yum.

Oh, Lordy, help this newsgroup
if sanity is this.

We all "need some"... heh..

Bill in Colorado

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Well, ok, on second thought, maybe I wasn't the most reliable source in
here to define sanity. :-)

Night!

Xenos

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inky wrote:

> In article <rstj9.8836$6g7....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Temily" <tem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Loud music - dancing - and a good hour of exericise helps.....as does having
> >a long soothing luxurious bath - Or reading a fabulous escapist book, wine
> >in one hand....music playing.....are all good ways to 'vent' and have some
> >self care...
> >
> >Lovemaking is good too...if you have a good partner to really let off steam
> >with :)
> >
> >But the biggy for me.......is doing my drawings and sketches and when I'm
> >really in a 'mood' painting...with *lots* of bright paint and a huge canvas.
> >When I really feel like gouging...I do prints and sometimes go down to the
> >local potters club and buy a slab of clay to pound...
> >
> >Have you ever thought of putting your hand to paint Inky?
>
> Yeah, i used to sell my handpainted clothing, even had a business license and
> everything.. Also designed art for rubber stamp companies (thus, the nick,
> "Inky"). And made stuffed animals for sale. And hauntingly realistic b&w
> portraits (pencil, charcoal)...I got offered a job in the children's
> department at a JC Penny store, but they wanted me to paint while customers
> watched, and i said i just couldn't do that.
>
> Somehow i ran up with a "block" for some reason, about the time of divorce
> and cancer, and can't seem to get my creativity back. I still kept all my
> supplies.. I hope someday i'll get back my lost passion for art. I'm
> interested in computer art (photoshop and stuff) but i just can't get
> motivated.

My son wants to become an artist. He is drawing with a computer pencil and is using photoshop. He has
some of he's pictures on the internet. I will send the links today.

> I used to make hand-painted Christmas cards every year up until
> the divorce. Did the bulletin boards for the schools, designed art for the
> church preschool. Even trick-or-treaters were treated to a hand-stamped
> bookmark along with their candy.
> I don't know why i can't make myself create anymore.
> I get this sad feeling like somebody died. I hope that someday i can bring
> that part of myself back to life.

You must draw the thing that died and draw your hopes as well. Pictures are so much more powerful then
words.
Can you scan some of your pictures and have them on the internet?
I would like you send some to my e-mail but not more then 1 mb per day.
The 6 mb yahoo is giving me is almost full.


Temily

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Inky..that's really weird - I felt the same when I separated 4 years ago and
then divorced 2 years ago. I lost my creativity...and my passion for art -
but i just assumed it was because, for a while, I lost the passion for life
also. I realise I had the passion for my art because I didn't have it in my
marriage..it was like an escape - something outside my situation to focus
on...

Now it's back..........and i'm in a totally different space now...my art is
different..my thoughts are different - and I'm somehow more at peace with
myself.

By the way...............I had my *date* last night :) It was really
gorgeous.....he was coming here for dinner and I made veal parmesan....with
backed pumpkin in spices, potato bake and steamed broccoli....and also made
a salad with various lettuces, tomato, fetta cheese and calamata
olives.....he brought a beautiful Amberley Chenin blanc and we sat across
from each other and ate...drank....and talked.....

We then went to the lounge and we had coffee and chocolates....and talked
some more....we were supposed to be going to an Irish club to dance but we
ended up just talking - about everything - until midnight! It went really
quickly. He told me about his wife - who died at 31 from cancer - and his
subsequent divorce from a marriage (she was his neighbour and that
relationship started 4 months after his wife died) that was very much a
rebound from his wife, whom he loved very passionately.. He was 20 and she
was 18 - when they married and they had two children who are now 21 and 17.
He now also has a daughter from the second marriage, which ended two years
ago, who is five. She is so gorgeous :)

When he left he gave me a warm embrace and kissed me on the lips....briefly,
before I pulled away...........and then we said goodnight..

This morning he sent me a beautiful email saying how much he loved the
evening..and the conversation and wanted to take me out to dinner this
weekend :)

It was a perfect *first date* and not confronting......but was flirtateous a
nd anticipating.....we both know......there *could* be more.........

But I need to take it slowly and he's appreciating that. So..we'll see what
transpires as we go on :)

Just thought i'd tell you how it went! :)

Temily


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Temily

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Do monkey's 'roar'? :)))))

Temily


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Temily

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Isn't there a fine line between sanity and insanity Bill?

Temily


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Temily

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Wow! That's great Barb! Inspires me to go to the gym TOMORROW! :)

I walk the dogs..and now that my daughter is on camp - i walk two dogs
separately and I'm feeling myself getting fitter just doing that!

I also love yoga.....very good for the abs!

Temily


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> I defer to Dr. G. as the greater expert (he's MY unofficial running
> coach!).
>
> I know there are some people who simply can't withstand the pounding
> you get from cement, and can only run on more forgiving surfaces
> (tracks, grass).
>
> For me, though, the answer to your question is yes. After I broke my
> foot in July '01, I wasn't able to run again until early October. At
> my age (47 then), it was just like starting all over. I couldn't
> believe how deep the aches even short runs created.
>
> In the early weeks, I walked as much as I ran -- just did a short
> distance running to get back into the feel of it, and as soon as an
> ache started (for some reason, mine were centered in my hips and
> calves), I'd stop and walk.
>
> To compensate for the lack of running, I joined a small gym within
> walking distance of my home. That's turned out to be a wonderful
> complement to running -- building up muscles in ways the running
> doesn't. And even strengthening your abdominal muscles can help with
> back pain.
>
> It's taken awhile, but I'm back in form and proud as hell that, at 48,
> I can run 4 miles at a pop, 4-5 times a week. It's a great way to
> start my morning, a great way to stay in shape, and a great way to
> kill the blues.
>
> Barb (taking a break this AM)

Cheryl Wogahn

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Sep 23, 2002, 7:48:36 AM9/23/02
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Temily, your date sounds wonderful. Here's to many, many more evenings
just like that. Life is about the simple stuff, ain't it. ;)

Cheryl

Robert Grumbine

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In article <Q5tj9.265538$2L.10...@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com>,

still pretty busy but maintaining <slight...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

In general, yes (with qualifications). For you specifically, I can't
say and it would be a good thing to discuss it with a doctor.
(A doctor who believes in exercise, which surprisingly many of
them don't.)

The major qualification (beyond doctor discussion) is, as always,
whether you're running in good form. A couple of the beginners had
pre-existing back problems, but ones which their doctors said was ok
to try running with. While it is a generally important and good thing
to do, it is imperative for folks with back problems to run in good
upright posture. One mental visual is that there's a hook in your
head attached to a rope overhead. It pulls you up slightly -- rather
than permitting you to curl forward. (Most people, the longer they
run, the more they curl forward.) Another help is to work on looking
more than 10 feet down the path.

For the knees, a second major thing is to be absolutely sure that you're
landing with your foot squarely under your center of mass. Try standing
on one foot with your knee slightly bent and your free heel lifted up
at least several inches (as it would be in running -- back behind your
standing leg, rather than lifting your free knee primarily). This
is how you want to be landing. One thing to do outside of your runs
is to adopt this position and see how long you can hold it. When I
first tried, it was only a couple of seconds -- which is a pretty good
sign that I probably wasn't landing stably in the right position while
running. Legs were happier as I got past holding the position for
10 seconds.

Unfortunately, the hills around you don't help with working on
form. (It's hard enough to do on the level, but the hills make it
mentally difficult to keep the focus on your form.) If you can find
a track or treadmill to work on running form routinely if not always,
that will help a lot. It can be done on the hills too (our route was
hilly), so don't despair.

Of course it's a lot easier to talk about running form if someone
can see you run. There will be running clubs near you, and I'm sure
they'll be glad to work with you on running form.

Bill in Colorado

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Sep 23, 2002, 9:25:56 AM9/23/02
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I don't know. You're probably asking the wrong person. I've heard that
before, though. Wonder where that saying comes from, and what it really
means. It seems to me I've seen some cases where the line isn't so fine -
it's more like a continental divide. So how do you explain that paradox?

Temily

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Sep 23, 2002, 11:15:10 AM9/23/02
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Yup Cheryl! It is about the simple stuff :)

Temily


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inky

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In article <qWCj9.10342$6g7....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Temily" <tem...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>By the way...............I had my *date* last night :) It was really
>gorgeous....

It sounds great! I'm glad it went well. :-)

Xenos

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Temily wrote:

> Inky..that's really weird - I felt the same when I separated 4 years ago and
> then divorced 2 years ago. I lost my creativity...and my passion for art -
> but i just assumed it was because, for a while, I lost the passion for life
> also. I realise I had the passion for my art because I didn't have it in my
> marriage..it was like an escape - something outside my situation to focus
> on...
>
> Now it's back..........and i'm in a totally different space now...my art is
> different..my thoughts are different - and I'm somehow more at peace with
> myself.
>
> By the way...............I had my *date* last night :) It was really
> gorgeous.....he was coming here for dinner and I made veal parmesan....with
> backed pumpkin in spices, potato bake and steamed broccoli....and also made
> a salad with various lettuces, tomato, fetta cheese and calamata

Is he a Greek? I had calamata olives this morning.

>
> olives.....he brought a beautiful Amberley Chenin blanc and we sat across
> from each other and ate...drank....and talked.....
>
> We then went to the lounge and we had coffee and chocolates....and talked
> some more....we were supposed to be going to an Irish club to dance but we
> ended up just talking - about everything - until midnight! It went really
> quickly. He told me about his wife - who died at 31 from cancer - and his
> subsequent divorce from a marriage (she was his neighbour and that
> relationship started 4 months after his wife died) that was very much a
> rebound from his wife, whom he loved very passionately.. He was 20 and she
> was 18 - when they married and they had two children who are now 21 and 17.
> He now also has a daughter from the second marriage, which ended two years
> ago, who is five. She is so gorgeous :)
>
> When he left he gave me a warm embrace and kissed me on the lips....briefly,
> before I pulled away...........and then we said goodnight..
>
> This morning he sent me a beautiful email saying how much he loved the
> evening..and the conversation and wanted to take me out to dinner this
> weekend :)
>
> It was a perfect *first date* and not confronting......but was flirtateous a
> nd anticipating.....we both know......there *could* be more.........
>
> But I need to take it slowly

Yes, take it slowly if you don't want to crash. I had something in the beginning
of the summer. Everything went to quick and then it was over when it just began.

Good luck.

inky

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Sep 23, 2002, 10:12:10 PM9/23/02
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In article <3D8EC720...@SPAMyahoo.com>, Xenos <dimit...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>Can you scan some of your pictures and have them on the internet?

i do have a few photoshop things, and a whole lot of photos of stuff that's
not scanned. One day i'll try to organize it all and put something together.

It's such a mish-mash right now, being that i dabbled in so many different
things, but i did try to photograph a lot of it before it sold. I'll let you
know if i ever get something put together.

Most of the stuff, except what i did during my dark-depression times, was
child-oriented art - like cutesy animals and balloons... and even monkeys... I
used to get a lot of requests for my chimp in blue overalls. :-)

inky

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In article <3D8EC720...@SPAMyahoo.com>, Xenos <dimit...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>You must draw the thing that died and draw your hopes as well. Pictures are so
> much more powerful then
>words.

You know what's really eerie about that? When i was really ill and had
anorexia, i made a "picture" of the illness. It was all very dark colors,
with a hint of a body in the center, sitting on the floor with arms folded on
knees and head down in arms, cradled in a huge dark evil-looking hand. I
recently came across a site for eating disorders where people submitted
artwork, and someone else had done nearly the exact same body position, same
dark colors, only instead of one big hand there were all these little dark
hands reaching inward towards the body. Really strange to have 2 people
interpret the same illness with almost identical artwork.

Temily

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Sep 23, 2002, 11:51:21 PM9/23/02
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What age did your annorexia onset Inky?

Temily


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Temily

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No Xenos...he's not Greek..but my ex was Italian...so of course I learned
off his Mama to cook all things foreign.....Italian...Greek....Persian....

My kids, one who looks like a greek god..and one who is blue eyed blonde,
still love it..and I still cook it!

Temily


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inky

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Sep 24, 2002, 1:07:47 AM9/24/02
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In article <ZiRj9.13195$6g7....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Temily" <tem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>What age did your annorexia onset Inky?

40, but it came with hysterectomy and resulting digestive disorders and
depression. I wasn't trying to be skeleton-skinny, i just couldn't eat, and
if i did it went right thru.

My mom is severly anorexic in here 70's, becuz she can't get any nourishment
from food. It's scary when it happens.


Xenos

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Sep 24, 2002, 3:12:39 PM9/24/02
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Thanks fore the picture. Nice rainbow colors in the hair of the horse.

inky wrote:

I am afraid of drawing how I feel but I guess I must one of those days.


inky

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In article <3D90B927...@SPAMyahoo.com>, Xenos <dimit...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>Thanks fore the picture. Nice rainbow colors in the hair of the horse.

I'm glad you liked it. I just love vivid colors. They're very important to
me. :-)

Temily

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Sep 24, 2002, 11:35:04 PM9/24/02
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I hope you didn't mind me asking Inky.....i was annorexic at 18 through
until 21 when i had my son....and the onset was because I guess i felt i
didn't have any decision over my life - I accepted marriage at 17 to a man 8
years older...and well, I guess it all spiralled from there.....

Temily


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innnnnnky

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Sep 25, 2002, 1:36:29 AM9/25/02
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In article <I9ak9.16628$6g7....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Temily" <tem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I hope you didn't mind me asking Inky.....i was annorexic at 18 through
>until 21 when i had my son....and the onset was because I guess i felt i
>didn't have any decision over my life - I accepted marriage at 17 to a man 8
>years older...and well, I guess it all spiralled from there.....

No, that's ok. It often has to do with needing some
control over one's life. Sometimes life is so OUT of control that
the only thing we CAN control is what we eat.

Oh, and my ex was 8 years (almost 9?) older than i was. It was like a whole
generation, though, at times.

Temily

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Sep 25, 2002, 2:02:49 AM9/25/02
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Yeah it is...especially when you meet them at 15 like I did...

It was a bit like the Elvis/Pricilla thing...

Temily

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inky

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Sep 25, 2002, 2:09:13 AM9/25/02
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In article <dkck9.16827$6g7....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Temily" <tem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Yeah it is...especially when you meet them at 15 like I did...
>
>It was a bit like the Elvis/Pricilla thing...

Yeah, age differences don't matter much at certain points... but at others,
they make a big difference...

Xenos

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Why don't you make fractals?
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