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Confuzzled

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May 18, 2012, 2:02:39 AM5/18/12
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http://discussingdissociation.wordpress.com/

dunno

disambiguation

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May 18, 2012, 10:06:51 PM5/18/12
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On Friday, May 18, 2012 2:02:39 AM UTC-4, Confuzzled wrote:
> http://discussingdissociation.wordpress.com/
>
> dunno

yeah, i read some bits of that a long time ago.

astri

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May 19, 2012, 10:03:19 PM5/19/12
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On Thu, 17 May 2012, Confuzzled wrote:

> http://discussingdissociation.wordpress.com/
>
> dunno

me neither
not sure we'd trust her

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Confuzzled

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May 19, 2012, 11:47:02 PM5/19/12
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k

we read some too

Confuzzled

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May 20, 2012, 12:12:00 AM5/20/12
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On 5/19/2012 7:03 PM, astri wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2012, Confuzzled wrote:
>
>> http://discussingdissociation.wordpress.com/
>>
>> dunno
>
> me neither
> not sure we'd trust her
>
so maybe our gut getting better?
something about it unsettled us. not sure what or why

thought it was neat at first but then... dunno

astri

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May 20, 2012, 1:54:21 AM5/20/12
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yeah
we read a few entries
no, thank you

Ravensong

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May 21, 2012, 11:11:30 PM5/21/12
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On 5/20/2012 1:54 AM, astri wrote:
> On Sat, 19 May 2012, Confuzzled wrote:
>> On 5/19/2012 7:03 PM, astri wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012, Confuzzled wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://discussingdissociation.wordpress.com/
>>>>
>>>> dunno
>>>
>>> me neither
>>> not sure we'd trust her
>>>
>> so maybe our gut getting better?
>> something about it unsettled us. not sure what or why
>>
>> thought it was neat at first but then... dunno
>
> yeah
> we read a few entries
> no, thank you
>
> -- astri
>
hm...haven't read enough of it to make a judgement yet, but we like
to hear what ideas others have about dissociation. my general thoughts
about therapists and theories in DID treatment are that everybody is
unique and not one single treatment (or even two or three) can work
for everybody. i think everybody probably has something to contribute
to our learning about how people function and live with DID.

Ravensong


Confuzzled

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May 21, 2012, 11:44:10 PM5/21/12
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On 5/19/2012 10:54 PM, astri wrote:
> On Sat, 19 May 2012, Confuzzled wrote:
>> On 5/19/2012 7:03 PM, astri wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012, Confuzzled wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://discussingdissociation.wordpress.com/
>>>>
>>>> dunno
>>>
>>> me neither
>>> not sure we'd trust her
>>>
>> so maybe our gut getting better?
>> something about it unsettled us. not sure what or why
>>
>> thought it was neat at first but then... dunno
>
> yeah
> we read a few entries
> no, thank you
>
what you read?

we had maybe a mild twinge but was ok until we got the int*gration stuff

astri

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May 22, 2012, 12:15:28 AM5/22/12
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that's what we read to

she's too strongly opinionated

stella nona

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May 22, 2012, 11:25:59 PM5/22/12
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she is way too opinionated. I hope her clients get
respected.

Michaela

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May 26, 2012, 12:03:37 AM5/26/12
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On May 19, 9:12 pm, Confuzzled <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com>
wrote:
hmm. i'd like to hear more about that, from you and from astri.
i read her first few posts on the blog, and they looked okay to me. am
i missing something?

Michaela

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May 26, 2012, 12:04:47 AM5/26/12
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On May 21, 8:44 pm, Confuzzled <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com>
wrote:
ah. okay.
we didn't really like her "solution" for the cow in the kite story. we
thought that was a bit preachy and a bit too "neatly" packaged.

astri

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May 26, 2012, 1:04:17 AM5/26/12
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she's way too opinionated
and she seems to think she knows what we're feeling or thinking
and she seems to have some set idea of how multiples are set up
and she's wrong

Michaela

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May 26, 2012, 1:39:49 AM5/26/12
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ah.
can you give an example?

astri

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May 26, 2012, 1:42:30 AM5/26/12
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On Fri, 25 May 2012, Michaela wrote:
> On May 25, 10:04 pm, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 May 2012, Michaela wrote:
>>> On May 19, 9:12 pm, Confuzzled <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 5/19/2012 7:03 PM, astri wrote:> On Thu, 17 May 2012, Confuzzled
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> http://discussingdissociation.wordpress.com/
>>
>>>>>> dunno
>>
>>>>> me neither
>>>>> not sure we'd trust her
>>
>>>> so maybe our gut getting better?
>>>> something about it unsettled us. not sure what or why
>>
>>>> thought it was neat at first but then... dunno
>>
>>> hmm. i'd like to hear more about that, from you and from astri.
>>> i read her first few posts on the blog, and they looked okay to me. am
>>> i missing something?
>>
>> she's way too opinionated
>> and she seems to think she knows what we're feeling or thinking
>> and she seems to have some set idea of how multiples are set up
>> and she's wrong
>
> ah.
> can you give an example?

her thing on int*gration

Michaela

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May 26, 2012, 1:40:59 AM5/26/12
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On May 25, 10:04 pm, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
(i found myself fairly triggered by the blog after reading it, but
couldn't quite put my finger on why. i think it was largely the post
on integration. also how she would say things that sounded kinda
caring or understanding, but there seemed to be this undertone of.....
"I understand and, since i get it so well, you must trust that i know
what's best for you." or something like that?

astri

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May 26, 2012, 1:44:28 AM5/26/12
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On Fri, 25 May 2012, Michaela wrote:
> On May 25, 10:04 pm, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 May 2012, Michaela wrote:
>>> On May 19, 9:12 pm, Confuzzled <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 5/19/2012 7:03 PM, astri wrote:> On Thu, 17 May 2012, Confuzzled
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> http://discussingdissociation.wordpress.com/
>>
>>>>>> dunno
>>
>>>>> me neither
>>>>> not sure we'd trust her
>>
>>>> so maybe our gut getting better?
>>>> something about it unsettled us. not sure what or why
>>
>>>> thought it was neat at first but then... dunno
>>
>>> hmm. i'd like to hear more about that, from you and from astri.
>>> i read her first few posts on the blog, and they looked okay to me.
>>> am i missing something?
>>
>> she's way too opinionated
>> and she seems to think she knows what we're feeling or thinking
>> and she seems to have some set idea of how multiples are set up
>> and she's wrong
>
> (i found myself fairly triggered by the blog after reading it, but
> couldn't quite put my finger on why. i think it was largely the post
> on integration. also how she would say things that sounded kinda
> caring or understanding, but there seemed to be this undertone of.....
> "I understand and, since i get it so well, you must trust that i know
> what's best for you." or something like that?

that's a perfect example of what i was talking about

Michaela

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May 26, 2012, 1:48:21 AM5/26/12
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alright.
odd -- i'm finding that my initial reaction to something will often be
positive, but then i'll find myself struggling for reasons i don't
understand until later

astri

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May 26, 2012, 1:53:52 AM5/26/12
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> alright.
> odd -- i'm finding that my initial reaction to something will often be
> positive, but then i'll find myself struggling for reasons i don't
> understand until later

old training to react positively no matter what?

Michaela

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May 26, 2012, 2:08:17 AM5/26/12
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perhaps so.
i think there's something about someone saying a few things that seem
to convey empathy that kinda gets me. i feel like, if they're
expressing compassion, then i can't disagree with other things that
they say?
i guess, in the past, i was so dependent on little bits of
compassion.....

and it made me vulnerable to "experts" who were willing to give little
bits of supposed nurturing but who were also promoting....almost
ideologies.....that were frightening.

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astri

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May 28, 2012, 3:37:52 PM5/28/12
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On Fri, 25 May 2012, Michaela wrote:
> On May 25, 10:53 pm, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 May 2012, Michaela wrote:
>>> On May 25, 10:44 pm, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 25 May 2012, Michaela wrote:
>>
>>>>> (i found myself fairly triggered by the blog after reading it,
>>>>> but couldn't quite put my finger on why. i think it was largely
>>>>> the post on integration. also how she would say things that
>>>>> sounded kinda caring or understanding, but there seemed to be
>>>>> this undertone of..... "I understand and, since i get it so
>>>>> well, you must trust that i know what's best for you." or
>>>>> something like that?
>>
>>>> that's a perfect example of what i was talking about
>>
>>> alright.
>>> odd -- i'm finding that my initial reaction to something will often
>>> be positive, but then i'll find myself struggling for reasons i
>>> don't understand until later
>>
>> old training to react positively no matter what?
>
> perhaps so.
> i think there's something about someone saying a few things that seem
> to convey empathy that kinda gets me. i feel like, if they're
> expressing compassion, then i can't disagree with other things that
> they say?

that's quite disempowering to you.

> i guess, in the past, i was so dependent on little bits of
> compassion.....

is sad

> and it made me vulnerable to "experts" who were willing to give
> little bits of supposed nurturing but who were also
> promoting....almost ideologies.....that were frightening.

yes

i think you aren't quite so vulnerable any longer. and you're learning
to notice your discomfort more quickly, and to trust your discomfort.

Confuzzled

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Jun 2, 2012, 2:39:44 PM6/2/12
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we do that too

Michaela

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Jun 2, 2012, 11:59:02 PM6/2/12
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On Jun 2, 11:39 am, Confuzzled <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com>
wrote:
good to know i'm not the only one

i tihnk one of the big things i'm learning is to maybe not trust my
initial reactions or my reactions as influenced by someone else in the
immediate moment
i don't trust things based on strong fear or happiness in the moment
as much as i used to
but i'm learning that i can trust my feelings and intuitions over time
they stabilize

Michaela

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Jun 2, 2012, 11:57:44 PM6/2/12
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yes
i think that's all true

astri

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Jun 3, 2012, 12:45:51 AM6/3/12
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> yes
> i think that's all true

:)

Starry-Eyed Pragmatist

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Jun 3, 2012, 1:11:55 AM6/3/12
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I didn't like the way every single post is preceded by a tag list
containing a cornucopia of trigger words.

Take care,

Starry

P.S. Sorry about the long absence. It's been beyond busy...

Confuzzled

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Jun 15, 2012, 1:15:34 AM6/15/12
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not at all

> i tihnk one of the big things i'm learning is to maybe not trust my
> initial reactions or my reactions as influenced by someone else in the
> immediate moment
> i don't trust things based on strong fear or happiness in the moment
> as much as i used to
> but i'm learning that i can trust my feelings and intuitions over time
> they stabilize

hmmm

that makes sense
actually that makes a lot of sense :)

Michaela

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Jun 15, 2012, 10:40:09 PM6/15/12
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hearing that i make sense is one of my favoritest things. :)



Starry-Eyed Pragmatist

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Jun 19, 2012, 2:18:59 PM6/19/12
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That makes sense.

Michaela

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Jun 19, 2012, 11:44:41 PM6/19/12
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hee.


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