somebody talk to wolfie
Oscar of confuzzled
cometz
<nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> talk to her
hi wolfie. what's going on? you wanna talk?
betsy
wolfie of confuzzled
:/
oscar didnt need to post.
we will be fine. we always are
Shiyiya
what're you guys up to?
astri
> talk to her
always willing
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astri
> :/
>
> oscar didnt need to post.
> we will be fine. we always are
but communicating about it frequently helps be more than just fine
wolfie of confuzzled
<sigh>
we wrote a poem
maybe we gonna call t and say we sick and cant come
dunno
Oscar of confuzzled
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>
>> talk to her
>
> always willing
>
not really
she was planning to p*rge
and thinking about how to be d*ad. not just her general "I want to"
it was scary others inside
Shiyiya
sounds like this isn't the greatest day to be sick and want to skip t
Shiyiya
yikes.
Oscar of confuzzled
yeah. she seems calmer maybe but I don't really believe it. I think
she's just waiting until we stop paying attention. And I know me getting
p*ssed off at her won't do any good. haven't any clue what else to do.
cometz
maybe share poem here?
are you feeling sick in body or just overwhelmed sick? both stink.
just wondering.
betsy
cometz
anything particular that is making her so upset? wish she could talk
about it. everybody here understands all this stuff so well, maybe she
wouldn't feel so badly.
betsy
cometz
ask her to talk here. be sure you all go to see t. tell t what's going
on.
betsy
Oscar of confuzzled
> On Dec 31, 5:28 pm, wolfie of confuzzled
> <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Shiyiya wrote:
>>> wolfie of confuzzled wrote:
>>>> cometz wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 31, 3:33 pm, Oscar of confuzzled
>>>>> <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> talk to her
>>>>> hi wolfie. what's going on? you wanna talk?
>>>>> betsy
>>>> :/
>>>> oscar didnt need to post.
>>>> we will be fine. we always are
>>> what're you guys up to?
>> <sigh>
>>
>> we wrote a poem
>>
>> maybe we gonna call t and say we sick and cant come
>> dunno
>
> maybe share poem here?
>
> are you feeling sick in body or just overwhelmed sick? both stink.
> just wondering.
>
well we are sick. we had to go to the doctor yesterday. we got
antibiotics and an inhaler. guess we don't like the stupid inhaler. you
sure that's not something for wimps? or gonna make us a wimp? how do we
know we aren't faking?
they had nightmares. wolfie says she doesn't remember so i don't know
why she'd be so freaked out.
so, maybe a SA trigger? dunno, but here's the poem
She surfaced
From the nightmare
As the twisted
And tangled blankets
Groped and grasped.
Her skin was slick
With the stink
Of sweat and fear.
In darkness
She drown
As memory awoke.
Oscar of confuzzled
I'm not letting her get out of tpy
Shiyiya
Inhalers don't make you a wimp, they make you able to breathe :P I
should think you'd be more of a "wimp" if you couldn't breathe because
the body wouldn't have enough oxygen to function properly. And if you
were faking, the inhaler wouldn't help. the "wimp" thing sounds like an
old tape about sucking it up. Needing medicine (and food, for that
matter) doesn't make you weak, just makes you human. can't avoid the
body being human :P
>
> they had nightmares. wolfie says she doesn't remember so i don't know
> why she'd be so freaked out.
even just remembering that there were nightmares cacn be freaky whether
you know what they were or not. And from the poem sounds like it was
very intense.
Shiyiya
sounds like a good idea.
Jennifer Thomas
>
> Inhalers don't make you a wimp, they make you able to breathe :P I
> should think you'd be more of a "wimp" if you couldn't breathe because
> the body wouldn't have enough oxygen to function properly. And if you
> were faking, the inhaler wouldn't help. the "wimp" thing sounds like an
> old tape about sucking it up. Needing medicine (and food, for that
> matter) doesn't make you weak, just makes you human. can't avoid the
> body being human :P
>
yeah, no matter how hard i try. *grimaces*
good point about bein more of a wimp not able to breathe.
that'd work on some of my more-hard-headed guys. :)
>
>
> > they had nightmares. wolfie says she doesn't remember so i don't know
> > why she'd be so freaked out.
>
> even just remembering that there were nightmares cacn be freaky whether
> you know what they were or not. And from the poem sounds like it was
> very intense.
>
yeah.
i can have a sense from a nightmare or something that can follow me
throughout the day, freak me out, whatever, even if i can't remember
the dream.
just a feeling like something's wrong.
sometimes, on those days, my stuffy comes to work with me for the
kids. otherwise we don't make it in.
hope things get better, confuzzled folk.
blue (jt)
wolfie of confuzzled
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, wolfie of confuzzled wrote:
>
>> :/
>>
>> oscar didnt need to post.
>> we will be fine. we always are
>
> but communicating about it frequently helps be more than just fine
>
Shay of confuzzled
we r sick tho. we had to go to the doctor
and i was gonna talk to t today.
its no fair
cometz
<nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> cometz wrote:
snip
> >> we wrote a poem
>
> >> maybe we gonna call t and say we sick and cant come
> >> dunno
>
> > maybe share poem here?
>
> I'm gonna post it. (below) maybe that will make her talk
>
> > are you feeling sick in body or just overwhelmed sick? both stink.
> > just wondering.
>
> well we are sick. we had to go to the doctor yesterday. we got
> antibiotics and an inhaler. guess we don't like the stupid inhaler. you
> sure that's not something for wimps? or gonna make us a wimp? how do we
> know we aren't faking?
>
well one way to know is that doctors don't hand out inhalers for
nothing. also know that inhalers are especially important for ppl who
have lung diseases like asthma or emphysema. not wimpy. is important
medicine. my brother and a couple good friends use inhalers. keeps
them from having to go to hospital.
we kind of think the word wimpy is a mean word. it implies being weak
when i think it is more appropriate to use the word vulnerable. we
have to take medicines and i don't think we are wimpy.
> they had nightmares. wolfie says she doesn't remember so i don't know
> why she'd be so freaked out.
>
cause sometimes the feelings spread all over even if you don't know
the story. we had bad bad nite last nite also. woke up twisted and not
breathing very well. has taken all day to get body to untwist. i don't
know what the stories were but know it was a bad bad nite. always bad
when wake up with suff*cating feelings.
> so, maybe a SA trigger? dunno, but here's the poem
maybe. if it feels so then that is important.
>
> She surfaced
> From the nightmare
> As the twisted
> And tangled blankets
> Groped and grasped.
> Her skin was slick
> With the stink
> Of sweat and fear.
> In darkness
> She drown
> As memory awoke.
wow. this is good. i mean very very good. i am kind of harsh about
poetry. don't sit well with not good stuff. this is good stuff. and we
know how it feels. just like this.
sorry you know too.
betsy
Oscar of confuzzled
help. because if it's all psychosomatic then we will believe the inhaler
will work
you might be right about being more of a wimp without though. at least
right now. we barely walk at all and we get out of breath. sh*t we laugh
and we been getting out of breath.
can we get dependent on the inhaler?
>> they had nightmares. wolfie says she doesn't remember so i don't know
>> why she'd be so freaked out.
>
> even just remembering that there were nightmares cacn be freaky whether
> you know what they were or not. And from the poem sounds like it was
> very intense.
i guess so
Shiyiya
I know you're sick :/ Sounds like Oscar is going to insist on going to t
anyway. Do you guys have any of those paper masks that cover your mouth
and noise and help prevent other people from getting your sick or your
getting other people's sick?
Shiyiya
doesn't sound like it'd be very 'strong' to not use it then :P out of
breath all the time you can't do much of anything.
>
> can we get dependent on the inhaler?
I think the only way you'd be dependent on it is if your lungs were
generally permanently iffy and always needed help.
Oscar of confuzzled
> On Dec 31, 5:49 pm, Oscar of confuzzled
> <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> cometz wrote:
>
> snip
>
>
>>>> we wrote a poem
>>>> maybe we gonna call t and say we sick and cant come
>>>> dunno
>>> maybe share poem here?
>> I'm gonna post it. (below) maybe that will make her talk
>>
>>> are you feeling sick in body or just overwhelmed sick? both stink.
>>> just wondering.
>> well we are sick. we had to go to the doctor yesterday. we got
>> antibiotics and an inhaler. guess we don't like the stupid inhaler. you
>> sure that's not something for wimps? or gonna make us a wimp? how do we
>> know we aren't faking?
>>
>
> well one way to know is that doctors don't hand out inhalers for
> nothing. also know that inhalers are especially important for ppl who
> have lung diseases like asthma or emphysema. not wimpy. is important
> medicine. my brother and a couple good friends use inhalers. keeps
> them from having to go to hospital.
>
inhalers?
> we kind of think the word wimpy is a mean word. it implies being weak
> when i think it is more appropriate to use the word vulnerable. we
> have to take medicines and i don't think we are wimpy.
>
hmm... alright. will try not to use the word wimp. that may take some
practice. I guess it's a word we use a lot.
I don't much like the word vulnerable. that sounds like weak to me too
>> they had nightmares. wolfie says she doesn't remember so i don't know
>> why she'd be so freaked out.
>>
>
> cause sometimes the feelings spread all over even if you don't know
> the story. we had bad bad nite last nite also. woke up twisted and not
> breathing very well. has taken all day to get body to untwist. i don't
> know what the stories were but know it was a bad bad nite. always bad
> when wake up with suff*cating feelings.
ok
regrets the bad night
>
>> so, maybe a SA trigger? dunno, but here's the poem
>
> maybe. if it feels so then that is important.
>
>> She surfaced
>> From the nightmare
>> As the twisted
>> And tangled blankets
>> Groped and grasped.
>> Her skin was slick
>> With the stink
>> Of sweat and fear.
>> In darkness
>> She drown
>> As memory awoke.
>
> wow. this is good. i mean very very good. i am kind of harsh about
> poetry. don't sit well with not good stuff. this is good stuff. and we
> know how it feels. just like this.
>
heh, well I don't do the writing but the others will probably see this.
I know someone was upset because there's a couple typos or something
> sorry you know too.
>
yeah. thanks
Shay of confuzzled
masks are icky!!!!
we dont got one of those
gess weel stay home if we gotta ware 1 of those :(
Shay of confuzzled
lets us bring stuffees anyware. she sez we groan up. :(
> hope things get better, confuzzled folk.
>
> blue (jt)
hi. im only 6.
cometz
oh. yeah, nitemares are mean and ugly. glad you are going to get to
tpy. understand her not wanting to go. i sometimes don't either. is
never a good idea tho.
betsy
Juniper
No-one asked me, but I don't know that anyone is ever too grown up for
stuffies. I have a stuffed bunny who goes with me when I travel. I
sleep with him when I'm in hotels and stuff.
I hope you get to take your new monkee to see the T.
Juniper
Shiyiya
> cometz wrote:
>> On Dec 31, 5:49 pm, Oscar of confuzzled
>> <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> cometz wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>
>>
>>>>> we wrote a poem
>>>>> maybe we gonna call t and say we sick and cant come
>>>>> dunno
>>>> maybe share poem here?
>>> I'm gonna post it. (below) maybe that will make her talk
>>>
>>>> are you feeling sick in body or just overwhelmed sick? both stink.
>>>> just wondering.
>>> well we are sick. we had to go to the doctor yesterday. we got
>>> antibiotics and an inhaler. guess we don't like the stupid inhaler. you
>>> sure that's not something for wimps? or gonna make us a wimp? how do we
>>> know we aren't faking?
>>>
>>
>> well one way to know is that doctors don't hand out inhalers for
>> nothing. also know that inhalers are especially important for ppl who
>> have lung diseases like asthma or emphysema. not wimpy. is important
>> medicine. my brother and a couple good friends use inhalers. keeps
>> them from having to go to hospital.
>>
> well, ok. so maybe I learned wrong. can people like athletes need/use
> inhalers?
pretty sure so
Shiyiya
I didn't mean you have to, was just an idea. Why don't you like them?
Shiyiya
Grownups can ahve stuffed animals too. And if she's worried about people
seeing it, she could put it in a bag until you were at t for you to show
her.
cometz
i'm sorry you are sick. no fun. maybe you can talk to the t next time
you go? i bet it would be fine. just let oscar know and maybe he can
help make sure.
betsy
wolfie of confuzzled
> wolfie of confuzzled wrote:
>> Shiyiya wrote:
>>> wolfie of confuzzled wrote:
>>>> cometz wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 31, 3:33 pm, Oscar of confuzzled
>>>>> <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> talk to her
>>>>>
>>>>> hi wolfie. what's going on? you wanna talk?
>>>>>
>>>>> betsy
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> :/
>>>>
>>>> oscar didnt need to post.
>>>> we will be fine. we always are
>>>
>>> what're you guys up to?
>>
>> <sigh>
>>
>> we wrote a poem
>>
>> maybe we gonna call t and say we sick and cant come
>> dunno
>
> sounds like this isn't the greatest day to be sick and want to skip t
guess we are going :/
wolfie of confuzzled
> On Dec 31, 5:55 pm, Shiyiya <shiyiya.as...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Inhalers don't make you a wimp, they make you able to breathe :P I
>> should think you'd be more of a "wimp" if you couldn't breathe because
>> the body wouldn't have enough oxygen to function properly. And if you
>> were faking, the inhaler wouldn't help. the "wimp" thing sounds like an
>> old tape about sucking it up. Needing medicine (and food, for that
>> matter) doesn't make you weak, just makes you human. can't avoid the
>> body being human :P
>>
>
> yeah, no matter how hard i try. *grimaces*
ja
> good point about bein more of a wimp not able to breathe.
> that'd work on some of my more-hard-headed guys. :)
>
you got hard headed guys? we just got oscar... well, and I guess I
pretty hard headed
>>
>>> they had nightmares. wolfie says she doesn't remember so i don't know
>>> why she'd be so freaked out.
>> even just remembering that there were nightmares cacn be freaky whether
>> you know what they were or not. And from the poem sounds like it was
>> very intense.
>>
>
> yeah.
>
> i can have a sense from a nightmare or something that can follow me
> throughout the day, freak me out, whatever, even if i can't remember
> the dream.
yeah. normally we have a dream like that, we don't eat all day. we used
to self-h*rm after them
>
> just a feeling like something's wrong.
>
is a feeling we wrong
> sometimes, on those days, my stuffy comes to work with me for the
> kids. otherwise we don't make it in.
>
> hope things get better, confuzzled folk.
>
> blue (jt)
thank you
wolfie of confuzzled
is like suff*cating. can't breath.
can't have stuff over the nose/mouth.
wolfie of confuzzled
:/
cometz
i don't think they work that way. when you can't breathe you use it.
when you can breathe ok then you don't need to. don't think body
craves it or anything. pavlovian response might kick in to use it when
breathing is bad but that is kind of a survival mechanism, not a
dependency or addiction. never heard of dependency. isn't that kind of
drug. know they are sposed to be used only when needed cause medicine
is strong.
if it is asthma or allergies (often intertwined) there are things you
can do at home to lessen the problems. brother got the pillow and
mattress protectors. got air purifier for bedroom. kept bedroom as
clean as possible. his asthma attacks got fewer by doing these things.
if pets get on bed try getting cover for the top to lessen their hair
and dander from getting on pillows. know that son's allergist told us
to wash pillows before putting the allergy covers on them. also if
allergies you can talk to doctor about allergy sh*ts. workmate many
years ago had severe allergies and she did them and said they were
helping.
Shiyiya
Ah. Can see how that would be not nice.
cometz
<nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> cometz wrote:
> > On Dec 31, 5:49 pm, Oscar of confuzzled
> > <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> cometz wrote:
>
> > snip
>
> >>>> we wrote a poem
> >>>> maybe we gonna call t and say we sick and cant come
> >>>> dunno
> >>> maybe share poem here?
> >> I'm gonna post it. (below) maybe that will make her talk
>
> >>> are you feeling sick in body or just overwhelmed sick? both stink.
> >>> just wondering.
> >> well we are sick. we had to go to the doctor yesterday. we got
> >> antibiotics and an inhaler. guess we don't like the stupid inhaler. you
> >> sure that's not something for wimps? or gonna make us a wimp? how do we
> >> know we aren't faking?
>
> > well one way to know is that doctors don't hand out inhalers for
> > nothing. also know that inhalers are especially important for ppl who
> > have lung diseases like asthma or emphysema. not wimpy. is important
> > medicine. my brother and a couple good friends use inhalers. keeps
> > them from having to go to hospital.
>
> well, ok. so maybe I learned wrong. can people like athletes need/use
> inhalers?
>
oh yeah. vaguely remember some olympic athlete, maybe a runner or
swimmer, who is asthmatic. probably could find them if you googled.
not breathing is just the body not working correctly. it has no
connection to who a person is.
> > we kind of think the word wimpy is a mean word. it implies being weak
> > when i think it is more appropriate to use the word vulnerable. we
> > have to take medicines and i don't think we are wimpy.
>
> hmm... alright. will try not to use the word wimp. that may take some
> practice. I guess it's a word we use a lot.
>
didn't notice you did till this post. sounds like something one gets
called by bullies. are lots of ugly words like that. that's really all
they are used for too, to be ugly. our word is stupid. understand how
they stick. doesn't make them correct or useful.
> I don't much like the word vulnerable. that sounds like weak to me too
>
vulnerable can be weak. babies are vulnerable. they are weak if
something big and strong hurt them. but then again so would a grown
body if something like a hurricane happened. but it doesn't mean it is
implicitly bad. just is a state of being in certain circumstances.
also being vulnerable at appropriate times with trustworthy ppl can
mean having close and caring relationships. if there is no ability to
be vulnerable sometimes i think it would be very hard to really share
self with anyone. and vise versa. ppl who can't allow emotions to be
vulnerable are usually not very happy ppl. sometimes the feelings
squeeze out as anger, sometimes they just stay stuck and hard like
wood. was married to one who stayed stuck and angry. was sad. he needs
so much to have someone with whom he can be vulnerable but he can't
allow it to happen.
but vulnerable can be scary. is very scary. for us it is also the only
way we begin to feel real. and being vulnerable doesn't mean you
aren't strong. it doesn't mean you don't have boundaries. can be the
ability to safely choose who you can trust with important things of
self. we have been able to sometimes be vulnerable in tpy. often run
away to not be so. is hard.
> >> they had nightmares. wolfie says she doesn't remember so i don't know
> >> why she'd be so freaked out.
>
> > cause sometimes the feelings spread all over even if you don't know
> > the story. we had bad bad nite last nite also. woke up twisted and not
> > breathing very well. has taken all day to get body to untwist. i don't
> > know what the stories were but know it was a bad bad nite. always bad
> > when wake up with suff*cating feelings.
>
> ok
> regrets the bad night
>
>
thanks. hate when it takes the whole day to get over it. oh well.
astri
> we wrote a poem
want to share it?
> maybe we gonna call t and say we sick and cant come
> dunno
that be good idea?
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> astri wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>>
>>> talk to her
>>
>> always willing
>>
> seems like she's not going to talk
> not really
>
> she was planning to p*rge
> and thinking about how to be d*ad. not just her general "I want to"
> it was scary others inside
thank you for posting then
prolly be a good idea to get the body to t then too
astri
> Shiyiya wrote:
>> Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>>> astri wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> talk to her
>>>>
>>>> always willing
>>>>
>>> seems like she's not going to talk
>>> not really
>>>
>>> she was planning to p*rge
>>> and thinking about how to be d*ad. not just her general "I want to"
>>> it was scary others inside
>>
>
> yeah. she seems calmer maybe but I don't really believe it. I think
> she's just waiting until we stop paying attention. And I know me
> getting p*ssed off at her won't do any good. haven't any clue what
> else to do.
take her to t and someone tell t
astri
>> On Dec 31, 5:28 pm, wolfie of confuzzled
>>> Shiyiya wrote:
>>>> wolfie of confuzzled wrote:
>>>>> cometz wrote:
>>>>>> <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> talk to her
>>>>>> hi wolfie. what's going on? you wanna talk?
>>>>>> betsy
>>>>> :/
>>>>> oscar didnt need to post.
>>>>> we will be fine. we always are
>>>> what're you guys up to?
>>> <sigh>
>>>
>>> we wrote a poem
>>>
>>> dunno
>>
>>
> I'm gonna post it. (below) maybe that will make her talk
>
>> are you feeling sick in body or just overwhelmed sick? both stink.
>> just wondering.
>>
> well we are sick. we had to go to the doctor yesterday. we got
> antibiotics and an inhaler. guess we don't like the stupid inhaler.
> you sure that's not something for wimps? or gonna make us a wimp? how
> do we know we aren't faking?
doc wouldn't have said what she said if you were faking
inhaler not for wimps
inhaler for lungs
is wimpy not to take prescribed meds
> they had nightmares. wolfie says she doesn't remember so i don't know
> why she'd be so freaked out.
maybe just the aftermath of the nightmare is freaky enough
> so, maybe a SA trigger? dunno, but here's the poem
>
>
> She surfaced
> From the nightmare
> As the twisted
> And tangled blankets
> Groped and grasped.
> Her skin was slick
> With the stink
> Of sweat and fear.
> In darkness
> She drown
> As memory awoke.
powerful
astri
> astri wrote:
>>
>>> :/
>>>
>>> oscar didnt need to post.
>>> we will be fine. we always are
>>
>>
> just cant
k
we here
astri
> we r sick tho. we had to go to the doctor
> and i was gonna talk to t today.
> its no fair
oscar said you going to t
so you can talk to her
astri
> well, I'm not sure its true that if we were faking the inhaler
> wouldn't help. because if it's all psychosomatic then we will
> believe the inhaler will work
but the doc wouldn't have noticed the physical signs that caused her to
prescribe the inhaler
and the antibiotics
> you might be right about being more of a wimp without though. at
> least right now. we barely walk at all and we get out of breath. sh*t
> we laugh and we been getting out of breath.
that's not good
> can we get dependent on the inhaler?
you're dependent on oxygen
astri
> well, ok. so maybe I learned wrong. can people like athletes need/use
> inhalers?
definitely
astri
> masks are icky!!!!
> we dont got one of those
> gess weel stay home if we gotta ware 1 of those :(
don't like those either
don't think you should say home
astri
> i don't think they work that way. when you can't breathe you use it.
> when you can breathe ok then you don't need to. don't think body
> craves it or anything. pavlovian response might kick in to use it
> when breathing is bad but that is kind of a survival mechanism, not a
> dependency or addiction. never heard of dependency. isn't that kind
> of drug. know they are sposed to be used only when needed cause
> medicine is strong.
depends on the inhaler
rescue inhaler (like albuterol) you use as needed
steroid inhalers you use as prescribed daily
jill
cometz <come...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 31, 6:15=A0pm, Oscar of confuzzled
><nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> cometz wrote:
>> > On Dec 31, 5:49 pm, Oscar of confuzzled
>> > <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> cometz wrote:
>>
>> > snip
>>
>> >>>> we wrote a poem
>> >>>> maybe we gonna call t and say we sick and cant come
>> >>>> dunno
>> >>> maybe share poem here?
>> >> I'm gonna post it. (below) maybe that will make her talk
>>
>> >>> just wondering.
>> >> well we are sick. we had to go to the doctor yesterday. we got
>u
>> >> sure that's not something for wimps? or gonna make us a wimp? how do w=
>e
>> >> know we aren't faking?
>>
>> > well one way to know is that doctors don't hand out inhalers for
>> > nothing. also know that inhalers are especially important for ppl who
>> > have lung diseases like asthma or emphysema. not wimpy. is important
>> > medicine. my brother and a couple good friends use inhalers. keeps
>> > them from having to go to hospital.
>>
>> well, ok. so maybe I learned wrong. can people like athletes need/use
>> inhalers?
>>
>
>oh yeah. vaguely remember some olympic athlete, maybe a runner or
>swimmer, who is asthmatic. probably could find them if you googled.
>not breathing is just the body not working correctly. it has no
>connection to who a person is.
Here's some science I learned about this stuff in school. Some people
get what is called 'exercise enduced asthma'. Basically, if you
demand that your lungs work really hard very quickly various bits of
them can shut down, get inflamed, freak out, whatever. Then you use
an inhaler to dilate the bits that spasmed. Or, if you know this is
going to happen, in advance you use the inhaler to prevent the
problem. It's very common in CO because of the dry air that is very
thin. Even people who have no breathing problems elsewhere can have
problems here. Lots of athletes here use them.
In your case it sounds like it is a temporary problem that came on
from being sick. It might be a long term problem the body has that is
worse right now or an illness that you will fight off and it will
go away. In any case the safest, smartest, most appropriate response
is to use the meds as directed by the dr and to go back to the dr if
things don't get better of if they get worse. Not breathing is
something you have to take seriously!
Rainbow Colors (Jill)
>> >> =A0From the nightmare
>> >> As the twisted
>> >> And tangled blankets
>> >> Groped and grasped.
>> >> Her skin was slick
>> >> With the stink
>> >> Of sweat and fear.
>> >> In darkness
>> >> She drown
>> >> As memory awoke.
>>
>> > wow. this is good. i mean very very good. i am kind of harsh about
>> > poetry. don't sit well with not good stuff. this is good stuff. and we
>> > know how it feels. just like this.
>>
>> heh, well I don't do the writing but the others will probably see this.
>> I know someone was upset because there's a couple typos or something
>>
>> > sorry you know too.
>>
>> yeah. thanks
>
--
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The colors blend, the edges soften. Swirling and mixing
we are becoming white light.
ji...@tuells.org
Shiyiya
oh, that made us think of another point. if you *don't* use the inhaler
and take the meds the dctr gave now so you can get better, it's likely
to take a lot longer to get better and th ehealing might be incomplete.
like how the finger took longer to heal when the dctr's instructions
weren't followed.
qqq eee
<nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jennifer Thomas wrote:
> > On Dec 31, 5:55 pm, Shiyiya <shiyiya.as...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> should think you'd be more of a "wimp" if you couldn't breathe because
> >> the body wouldn't have enough oxygen to function properly. And if you
> >> were faking, the inhaler wouldn't help. the "wimp" thing sounds like an
> >> old tape about sucking it up. Needing medicine (and food, for that
> >> matter) doesn't make you weak, just makes you human. can't avoid the
> >> body being human :P
>
> > good point about bein more of a wimp not able to breathe.
> > that'd work on some of my more-hard-headed guys. :)
>
> >>> why she'd be so freaked out.
> >> you know what they were or not. And from the poem sounds like it was
> >> very intense.
>
>
> > i can have a sense from a nightmare or something that can follow me
> > throughout the day, freak me out, whatever, even if i can't remember
> > the dream.
>
> > just a feeling like something's wrong.
>
> > sometimes, on those days, my stuffy comes to work with me for the
> > kids. otherwise we don't make it in.
>
> i wanted to bring my new monkee to see t today. wolfie sed no. she never
> lets us bring stuffees anyware. she sez we groan up. :(
>
>
> > blue (jt)
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
i have loads of stuffies and i don't think it's for kids. i took all
my important stuffies when i moved to another country, i had a
suitcase full of stuffies. :) they're so important to me. i think it's
brave to take one with you, and not care what others think. or you can
hide it in your bag like someone said if you don't want it to be seen.
i would carry one around everywhere if i wasn't scared of what people
think. :/
Jennifer Thomas
>
> > sometimes, on those days, my stuffy comes to work with me for the
> > kids. otherwise we don't make it in.
>
> i wanted to bring my new monkee to see t today. wolfie sed no. she never
> lets us bring stuffees anyware. she sez we groan up. :(
>
> > hope things get better, confuzzled folk.
>
> > blue (jt)
>
> hi. im only 6
hi, shay. :)
i'm a little older than 6, maybe like 9, but i *feel* like i'm
supposed to be a grown-up. makes it tough. but i'm a big brother, n
it's my job ta take care of the lil kids in my head.
n if they need a stuffy with them when we go out somewhere, then it's
my job ta figure out how ta do it so *i* don't feel embarrassed
carryin around a stuffy. cuz the thing is, the body's grown up, ya
know? but the kids aren't. n it's ok for kids to need stuffies. so
its the grown up's job ta make sure the kids're ok. n so i do things
like put the stuffy in a bag so no one can see it, or hide it in my
coat sleeve, or if we can take a small stuffy, i can put it in my
pocket.
or i can pretend its for someone else.
sometimes, cuz i'm a guy, i'll just carry it with me, n anyone has a
problem with it can deal with *me*, ya know? n i can act all pretend-
threatenin n stuff. the older guys here do that better than i do.
n if we can pretend it's ok for an adult to carry a stuffy, then we
just carry it like it's ok, n ppl don't question us.
i have a bunch of stuffys set up on a table at my job in my office, n
my emergency stuffy in my desk, n it's ok that i have stuffys at
work. lots of ladies do that. or at least will understand. n guys
will just think it's a girl thing.
gotta be harder for a guy-person to have a stuffy around, but i'm sure
there're ways around it.
plus, the other thing is, people who know how to "read" other people
usually know that we're kinda sorta not-as-ok as some people anyway?
but the people who can tell that can tell cuz they're nice people,
usually, n underneath they're hopin we're ok, u know? n so if we have
a stuffy, maybe they'll think "oh, jen's havin a rough day today.
maybe i'll try to be nicer to her" or maybe they'll think "oh, jen's
got her stuffy with her today. how cute...i hope it makes her feel
better. how great that she can take care of herself like that!"
cuz it's really really really *really* easy for me to think of the
*bad* things that people might think about me...but the truth is that
people are a whole lot nicer than i think they are, most of the time.
made me cry a little bit, thinkin bout it.
n that's another thing. it's ok for guys to cry sometimes. we've
grown a *lot*.
i hope this was ok for you, shay, n didn't make things worse, ok? i
just want to help if i can, cuz i got little sisters i take care of, n
yer kinda like them, k?
jj (fer jt)
Jennifer Thomas
<nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jennifer Thomas wrote:
> > On Dec 31, 5:55 pm, Shiyiya <shiyiya.as...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Inhalers don't make you a wimp, they make you able to breathe :P I
> >> should think you'd be more of a "wimp" if you couldn't breathe because
> >> the body wouldn't have enough oxygen to function properly. And if you
> >> were faking, the inhaler wouldn't help. the "wimp" thing sounds like an
> >> old tape about sucking it up. Needing medicine (and food, for that
> >> matter) doesn't make you weak, just makes you human. can't avoid the
> >> body being human :P
>
> > yeah, no matter how hard i try. *grimaces*
>
> ja
>
> > good point about bein more of a wimp not able to breathe.
> > that'd work on some of my more-hard-headed guys. :)
>
> you got hard headed guys? we just got oscar... well, and I guess I
> pretty hard headed
>
yeah, we got plenty of hard headed guys. sometimes my t says somethin
smart to one of em, n then they can be hard headed in ways that help
the rest of Jennifer, n that's good.
like he woulda said the bit bout the inhaler, ya know? n he told me
one time that it's harder for a guy to carry a stuffy around than just
to forbid it. so did i wanna just be a coward n forbid it, or did i
wanna do the thing that's harder, but better for all of us n would
keep the kids from gettin in my hair, u know?
he's crafty smart like that sometimes. 's nice ta be understood, n
like he'll talk right to me like i'm not f'd up crazy, thinkin i'm
some tuff guy in a big adult girl body, but like i'm me n it's ok for
me to be the way i am, just not if i'm thinkin wrong bout somethin. n
he doesn't even say like it's wrong, but more "have you considered
this?" 's good. like he talks to me guy-ta-guy.
>
>
> >>> they had nightmares. wolfie says she doesn't remember so i don't know
> >>> why she'd be so freaked out.
> >> even just remembering that there were nightmares cacn be freaky whether
> >> you know what they were or not. And from the poem sounds like it was
> >> very intense.
>
> > yeah.
>
> > i can have a sense from a nightmare or something that can follow me
> > throughout the day, freak me out, whatever, even if i can't remember
> > the dream.
>
> yeah. normally we have a dream like that, we don't eat all day. we used
> to self-h*rm after them
>
> > just a feeling like something's wrong.
>
> is a feeling we wrong
yeah. usta feel like that. some of us still do.
like now it's like, we know "it's not our fault", but we got hurt, u
know? so now we can't do stuff that non-hurt ppl would be expected to
do, so when we fail at somethin its cuz we got hurt, n that's not my
fault, but i think like i'm still a failure cuz i'm broke. n it
doesn't matter why. somethin i still struggle with.
*you* are not wrong. *i* don't think so, anyway, not the way i think
u mean. yer just a person, like anyone else. just, bad stuff
happened n yer head's a mess. like mine. right? 's ok. happens to
people sometimes. doesn't make *you* wrong. hope this is ok ta say.
lemme know if i step on yer toes too hard somehow. not used to
writing here anymore.
's a scene in a movie, the last samurai or whatever, n is just one
line n i wish they'd talked more about it, but then somehow just sayin
one line about it n movin on made it more important by makin it less
important...but the samurai dude says to the tom cruise dude bout him
havin nightmares n flashbacks n writin stuff in his journal or
whatever, n the samurai says somethin like "It happens, sometimes, to
those of us who have seen too much war." and then he just moves on.
n talks bout something else.
like...
it happens.
people get hurt. our heads get messed up. sometimes pretty bad.
but it happens. n it doesn't mean there's something *WRONG* with us
because it happens. it's just *what happens* when y've seen too much
hurt.
n that's it.
doesn't mean yer bad, doesn't make ya wrong. just makes ya one of the
people who got hurt enough that this is the result.
yer with me. n the rest of the people here who got hurt that much.
there's no wrongness about ya. ya just got hurt. it's what happens.
doesn't make it not suhk. but it doesn't make ya wrong.
see? now i'm talkin too much about it, making it more than it has to
be. ;) but that's me. helps me feel like *i'm* ok if i can say
somethin helpful to someone else, so i try too hard sometimes. 's
what happens ta people like *me*.
jj/blue (of jt)
Shay of confuzzled
> In article <7q4q2o...@mid.individual.net>,
> Shay of confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jennifer Thomas wrote:
>>> On Dec 31, 5:55 pm, Shiyiya <shiyiya.as...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Inhalers don't make you a wimp, they make you able to breathe :P I
>>>> should think you'd be more of a "wimp" if you couldn't breathe because
>>>> the body wouldn't have enough oxygen to function properly. And if you
>>>> were faking, the inhaler wouldn't help. the "wimp" thing sounds like an
>>>> old tape about sucking it up. Needing medicine (and food, for that
>>>> matter) doesn't make you weak, just makes you human. can't avoid the
>>>> body being human :P
>>>>
>>> yeah, no matter how hard i try. *grimaces*
>>> that'd work on some of my more-hard-headed guys. :)
>>>
>>>>> why she'd be so freaked out.
>>>> even just remembering that there were nightmares cacn be freaky whether
>>>> you know what they were or not. And from the poem sounds like it was
>>>> very intense.
>>>>
>>> yeah.
>>>
>>> i can have a sense from a nightmare or something that can follow me
>>> throughout the day, freak me out, whatever, even if i can't remember
>>> the dream.
>>>
>>>
>>> kids. otherwise we don't make it in.
>>>
>> lets us bring stuffees anyware. she sez we groan up. :(
>>
>>
>>>
>>> blue (jt)
>
> No-one asked me, but I don't know that anyone is ever too grown up for
> stuffies. I have a stuffed bunny who goes with me when I travel. I
> sleep with him when I'm in hotels and stuff.
>
> I hope you get to take your new monkee to see the T.
>
> Juniper
t sed its ok with her if i bring my monkee
and hes got a name now. hes puddles pete. puddles sez its ok
duz your bunny have a name?
Shay of confuzzled
i got to tock. i dunno if he helpd. everbodee waz fiting and wolfie
woodnt talk and then wolfie went inside and it waz me owt :)
but t sed i had to go back when we wur dun cuz i cant drive and herman
woodnt come help so fuzzy did
Shay of confuzzled
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Shay of confuzzled wrote:
>
>> we r sick tho. we had to go to the doctor
>> and i was gonna talk to t today.
>> its no fair
>
> oscar said you going to t
> so you can talk to her
>
:(
i glad t was rilly rilly thair today
she sez she dusnt think it will hapn agin.
Shay of confuzzled
> On Dec 31 2009, 6:23 pm, Shay of confuzzled
> <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jennifer Thomas wrote:
> ...
>>> sometimes, on those days, my stuffy comes to work with me for the
>>> kids. otherwise we don't make it in.
>> i wanted to bring my new monkee to see t today. wolfie sed no. she never
>> lets us bring stuffees anyware. she sez we groan up. :(
>>
>>> hope things get better, confuzzled folk.
>>> blue (jt)
>> hi. im only 6
>
> hi, shay. :)
hi
> i'm a little older than 6, maybe like 9, but i *feel* like i'm
> supposed to be a grown-up. makes it tough. but i'm a big brother, n
> it's my job ta take care of the lil kids in my head.
>
k
do u evr hit them?
> n if they need a stuffy with them when we go out somewhere, then it's
> my job ta figure out how ta do it so *i* don't feel embarrassed
> carryin around a stuffy. cuz the thing is, the body's grown up, ya
> know? but the kids aren't. n it's ok for kids to need stuffies. so
> its the grown up's job ta make sure the kids're ok. n so i do things
> like put the stuffy in a bag so no one can see it, or hide it in my
> coat sleeve, or if we can take a small stuffy, i can put it in my
> pocket.
>
maybe oscar shood reed this
> or i can pretend its for someone else.
>
but thats lie ing?
> sometimes, cuz i'm a guy, i'll just carry it with me, n anyone has a
> problem with it can deal with *me*, ya know? n i can act all pretend-
> threatenin n stuff. the older guys here do that better than i do.
>
:)
> n if we can pretend it's ok for an adult to carry a stuffy, then we
> just carry it like it's ok, n ppl don't question us.
>
k
> i have a bunch of stuffys set up on a table at my job in my office, n
> my emergency stuffy in my desk, n it's ok that i have stuffys at
> work. lots of ladies do that. or at least will understand. n guys
> will just think it's a girl thing.
>
du u got any monkeys? i got lotsa monkeys and i got a manatee
we dont got any at work
> gotta be harder for a guy-person to have a stuffy around, but i'm sure
> there're ways around it.
>
r owtside body is gurl
> plus, the other thing is, people who know how to "read" other people
> usually know that we're kinda sorta not-as-ok as some people anyway?
> but the people who can tell that can tell cuz they're nice people,
> usually, n underneath they're hopin we're ok, u know? n so if we have
> a stuffy, maybe they'll think "oh, jen's havin a rough day today.
> maybe i'll try to be nicer to her" or maybe they'll think "oh, jen's
> got her stuffy with her today. how cute...i hope it makes her feel
> better. how great that she can take care of herself like that!"
>
> cuz it's really really really *really* easy for me to think of the
> *bad* things that people might think about me...but the truth is that
> people are a whole lot nicer than i think they are, most of the time.
> made me cry a little bit, thinkin bout it.
>
k
> n that's another thing. it's ok for guys to cry sometimes. we've
> grown a *lot*.
>
wow. i dont think oscar will evr cry
> i hope this was ok for you, shay, n didn't make things worse, ok? i
> just want to help if i can, cuz i got little sisters i take care of, n
> yer kinda like them, k?
>
> jj (fer jt)
yer nise :)
astri
> but t sed i had to go back when we wur dun cuz i cant drive and
> herman woodnt come help so fuzzy did
our t always wants someone who can drive to be there at the end
astri
certainly hope it doesn't
Jennifer Thomas
<nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jennifer Thomas wrote:
> > On Dec 31 2009, 6:23 pm, Shay of confuzzled
> > <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Jennifer Thomas wrote:
> > ...
> >>> sometimes, on those days, my stuffy comes to work with me for the
> >>> kids. otherwise we don't make it in.
> >> i wanted to bring my new monkee to see t today. wolfie sed no. she never
> >> lets us bring stuffees anyware. she sez we groan up. :(
>
> >>> hope things get better, confuzzled folk.
> >>> blue (jt)
> >> hi. im only 6
>
> > hi, shay. :)
>
> hi
>
> > i'm a little older than 6, maybe like 9, but i *feel* like i'm
> > supposed to be a grown-up. makes it tough. but i'm a big brother, n
> > it's my job ta take care of the lil kids in my head.
>
> k
> do u evr hit them?
nuh uh. never.
sometimes one of the guys here will forget that it's "now" and not
"back then", n will get scared or confused or something, n will yell
at the kids, but then usually someone else yells at the guy fer yellin
at the kids, n that goes on til someone remembers we're not sposta be
yellin at each other no more. ;)
n usually as soon as the guy that was yellin at the kids remembers
it's "now" n it's safe now, he pologizes to the kid, n he's *sposta*
give the kid a hug n stuff, but it's been kinda bad round here last
few months n we've been fergettin some of the important stuff like
that.
>
> > n if they need a stuffy with them when we go out somewhere, then it's
> > my job ta figure out how ta do it so *i* don't feel embarrassed
> > carryin around a stuffy. cuz the thing is, the body's grown up, ya
> > know? but the kids aren't. n it's ok for kids to need stuffies. so
> > its the grown up's job ta make sure the kids're ok. n so i do things
> > like put the stuffy in a bag so no one can see it, or hide it in my
> > coat sleeve, or if we can take a small stuffy, i can put it in my
> > pocket.
>
> maybe oscar shood reed this
might not be a bad idea. *waves hi to oscar if oscar reads this*
>
> > or i can pretend its for someone else.
>
> but thats lie ing?
yeah, kinda, but the guys get grey like that sometimes. like, not
black or white, but they're in the grey area where sometimes lying's
ok n sometimes not. n if it doesn't hurt anybody, including me fer
lying, and if it helps the kids, then sometimes we'll say or do
something that's not quite the truth, but we hafta be careful with
it.
>
> > sometimes, cuz i'm a guy, i'll just carry it with me, n anyone has a
> > problem with it can deal with *me*, ya know? n i can act all pretend-
> > threatenin n stuff. the older guys here do that better than i do.
>
> :)
>
> > n if we can pretend it's ok for an adult to carry a stuffy, then we
> > just carry it like it's ok, n ppl don't question us.
>
> k
>
> > i have a bunch of stuffys set up on a table at my job in my office, n
> > my emergency stuffy in my desk, n it's ok that i have stuffys at
> > work. lots of ladies do that. or at least will understand. n guys
> > will just think it's a girl thing.
>
> du u got any monkeys? i got lotsa monkeys and i got a manatee
> we dont got any at work
>
i don't have any monkeys or manatees, but i have a seal puppy that's
kinda like a manatee. we have a lot of puppies n bears, n some of the
bears think they're puppies. :)
> > gotta be harder for a guy-person to have a stuffy around, but i'm sure
> > there're ways around it.
>
> r owtside body is gurl
>
didn't know for sure, but i thought so. but i know there're guy-
bodies that read here too, n it occured to me when i was writin that
it must be tougher for guy-bodies.
> > plus, the other thing is, people who know how to "read" other people
> > usually know that we're kinda sorta not-as-ok as some people anyway?
> > but the people who can tell that can tell cuz they're nice people,
> > usually, n underneath they're hopin we're ok, u know? n so if we have
> > a stuffy, maybe they'll think "oh, jen's havin a rough day today.
> > maybe i'll try to be nicer to her" or maybe they'll think "oh, jen's
> > got her stuffy with her today. how cute...i hope it makes her feel
> > better. how great that she can take care of herself like that!"
>
> > cuz it's really really really *really* easy for me to think of the
> > *bad* things that people might think about me...but the truth is that
> > people are a whole lot nicer than i think they are, most of the time.
> > made me cry a little bit, thinkin bout it.
>
> k
>
> > n that's another thing. it's ok for guys to cry sometimes. we've
> > grown a *lot*.
>
> wow. i dont think oscar will evr cry
>
yeah, it's still really *really* hard for our guys to cry, but it's
really worth it when they do. n sometimes what happens is one of the
kids can cry for the guy, cuz my T says that all the tears come from
the same pool inside, n it doesn't matter which one of us is draining
from the pool, as long as *somebody* is when we need to.
n it's easier for the kids to cry. 's one of their jobs, sometimes.
like bryan was being angry and stuff, hatin one of the kids fer bein
weak when she was just doin her job, n we told bryan maybe he should
give the kid a hug, and he did, and as soon as he did, the kid
switched in instead of bryan, and she cried for him n we-all felt
better. bryan was pretty stunned that she'd cry for him so he could
feel better, specially when he'd been mad at her. but it was pretty
nice of bry to be willing to give the kid a hug, too, so it worked out
fair. we had to learn all this stuff - we usta not interact a lot
inside, hardly at all.
> > i hope this was ok for you, shay, n didn't make things worse, ok? i
> > just want to help if i can, cuz i got little sisters i take care of, n
> > yer kinda like them, k?
>
> > jj (fer jt)
>
> yer nise :)
heh. thanks. ;)
yer nice too, kiddo. *ruffles yer hair, if that's ok*
jj (fer jt)
Jennifer Thomas
yeah, ours too, n he keeps tryin ta say the guys can't drive safe. 's
really annoying! :)
jt
jill
astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 1 Jan 2010, Shay of confuzzled wrote:
>
>> but t sed i had to go back when we wur dun cuz i cant drive and
>> herman woodnt come help so fuzzy did
>
>our t always wants someone who can drive to be there at the end
>
>-- astri
Yep, letting inside kids to drive home is a really bad idea!
We ended up making a deal. If whomever was out at the end let me
take over then I would make sure I stopped on the way home and let
them do what they wanted to do for a bit. Some of us wanted to get
a mocha, some of us wanted to go to a forest preserve and be in
nature. The only time I got to say 'no' was if it was unsafe (like
the time someone wanted me to drive 100s of miles away) or way
too expensive (never happened but I could easily imagine someone
saying 'let's go get a new car' or something:P). Other than that,
whatever that insider wanted to do I had to let them do for a bit.
Rainbow Colors (Jill)
fuzzy
<sigh>
k
fuzzy
> In article <Pine.BSI.4.64.10...@malasada.lava.net>,
> astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010, Shay of confuzzled wrote:
>>
>>> but t sed i had to go back when we wur dun cuz i cant drive and
>>> herman woodnt come help so fuzzy did
>> our t always wants someone who can drive to be there at the end
>>
>> -- astri
>
> Yep, letting inside kids to drive home is a really bad idea!
> We ended up making a deal. If whomever was out at the end let me
> take over then I would make sure I stopped on the way home and let
> them do what they wanted to do for a bit. Some of us wanted to get
> a mocha, some of us wanted to go to a forest preserve and be in
> nature. The only time I got to say 'no' was if it was unsafe (like
> the time someone wanted me to drive 100s of miles away) or way
> too expensive (never happened but I could easily imagine someone
> saying 'let's go get a new car' or something:P). Other than that,
> whatever that insider wanted to do I had to let them do for a bit.
>
> Rainbow Colors (Jill)
well, it's late and we really tired by the time we leave t but we can
maybe work on this a bit. shay would always want something fattening
though :P
Shiyiya
I very sincerely doubt that something "fattening" once a week would ahve
any ill effect on you at all.
fuzzy
we've had treats more days then not just lately :P
the idea is that we don't skip meals and shay gets her treats. we trying :P
jill
Well, it wouldn't always be shay's choice and something fattening in
small amounts is ok. One kid's size scoop of ice cream, for example,
has more than enough protein and calcium to balance out the fat and
calories. But most importantly, shay wouldn't be the only one getting
to choose and others might choose stuff that isn't related to food at
all.
Shay of confuzzled
what kinda stuffies u got?
Shay of confuzzled
> n usually as soon as the guy that was yellin at the kids remembers
> it's "now" n it's safe now, he pologizes to the kid, n he's *sposta*
> give the kid a hug n stuff, but it's been kinda bad round here last
> few months n we've been fergettin some of the important stuff like
> that.
>
:O thay give the kids hugs. oscar wood never ever give me a hug
>>> n if they need a stuffy with them when we go out somewhere, then it's
>>> my job ta figure out how ta do it so *i* don't feel embarrassed
>>> carryin around a stuffy. cuz the thing is, the body's grown up, ya
>>> know? but the kids aren't. n it's ok for kids to need stuffies. so
>>> its the grown up's job ta make sure the kids're ok. n so i do things
>>> like put the stuffy in a bag so no one can see it, or hide it in my
>>> coat sleeve, or if we can take a small stuffy, i can put it in my
>>> pocket.
>> maybe oscar shood reed this
>
> might not be a bad idea. *waves hi to oscar if oscar reads this*
>
i dunno if hes gonna reed this. maybe
i dont wanna make him mad
>>> or i can pretend its for someone else.
>> but thats lie ing?
>
> yeah, kinda, but the guys get grey like that sometimes. like, not
> black or white, but they're in the grey area where sometimes lying's
> ok n sometimes not. n if it doesn't hurt anybody, including me fer
> lying, and if it helps the kids, then sometimes we'll say or do
> something that's not quite the truth, but we hafta be careful with
> it.
k
>
>>> sometimes, cuz i'm a guy, i'll just carry it with me, n anyone has a
>>> problem with it can deal with *me*, ya know? n i can act all pretend-
>>> threatenin n stuff. the older guys here do that better than i do.
>> :)
>>
>>> n if we can pretend it's ok for an adult to carry a stuffy, then we
>>> just carry it like it's ok, n ppl don't question us.
>> k
>>
>>> i have a bunch of stuffys set up on a table at my job in my office, n
>>> my emergency stuffy in my desk, n it's ok that i have stuffys at
>>> work. lots of ladies do that. or at least will understand. n guys
>>> will just think it's a girl thing.
>> du u got any monkeys? i got lotsa monkeys and i got a manatee
>> we dont got any at work
>>
>
> i don't have any monkeys or manatees, but i have a seal puppy that's
> kinda like a manatee. we have a lot of puppies n bears, n some of the
> bears think they're puppies. :)
>
:) i used to have a seal stuffie. i got a frog stuffie to and it crokes.
>>> gotta be harder for a guy-person to have a stuffy around, but i'm sure
>>> there're ways around it.
>> r owtside body is gurl
>>
>
> didn't know for sure, but i thought so. but i know there're guy-
> bodies that read here too, n it occured to me when i was writin that
> it must be tougher for guy-bodies.
>
ya. cuz guys gotta be brave n stuff. thay rnt allowd to cry
>>> plus, the other thing is, people who know how to "read" other people
>>> usually know that we're kinda sorta not-as-ok as some people anyway?
>>> but the people who can tell that can tell cuz they're nice people,
>>> usually, n underneath they're hopin we're ok, u know? n so if we have
>>> a stuffy, maybe they'll think "oh, jen's havin a rough day today.
>>> maybe i'll try to be nicer to her" or maybe they'll think "oh, jen's
>>> got her stuffy with her today. how cute...i hope it makes her feel
>>> better. how great that she can take care of herself like that!"
>>> cuz it's really really really *really* easy for me to think of the
>>> *bad* things that people might think about me...but the truth is that
>>> people are a whole lot nicer than i think they are, most of the time.
>>> made me cry a little bit, thinkin bout it.
>> k
>>
>>> n that's another thing. it's ok for guys to cry sometimes. we've
>>> grown a *lot*.
>> wow. i dont think oscar will evr cry
>>
>
> yeah, it's still really *really* hard for our guys to cry, but it's
> really worth it when they do. n sometimes what happens is one of the
> kids can cry for the guy, cuz my T says that all the tears come from
> the same pool inside, n it doesn't matter which one of us is draining
> from the pool, as long as *somebody* is when we need to.
>
i bin crying but only on the inside and thay bin gitting mad even over
that :(
> n it's easier for the kids to cry. 's one of their jobs, sometimes.
> like bryan was being angry and stuff, hatin one of the kids fer bein
> weak when she was just doin her job, n we told bryan maybe he should
> give the kid a hug, and he did, and as soon as he did, the kid
> switched in instead of bryan, and she cried for him n we-all felt
> better. bryan was pretty stunned that she'd cry for him so he could
> feel better, specially when he'd been mad at her. but it was pretty
> nice of bry to be willing to give the kid a hug, too, so it worked out
> fair. we had to learn all this stuff - we usta not interact a lot
> inside, hardly at all.
>
i wish sumbody wood hug me but evreebudy is just mad. that was nise that
she cried for him
>>> i hope this was ok for you, shay, n didn't make things worse, ok? i
>>> just want to help if i can, cuz i got little sisters i take care of, n
>>> yer kinda like them, k?
>>> jj (fer jt)
>> yer nise :)
>
> heh. thanks. ;)
> yer nice too, kiddo. *ruffles yer hair, if that's ok*
>
:)
Juniper
Yup. It's pronounced, "Chumly" but it's spelled "Cholmondeley." It's
one of those British pronunciation things, like "St. John" being
pronounced "Sinjin" or "Ralph" being pronounced "Rafe."
His name was said first (he's my chum, so he's Chumly) before I thought
to spell it. :-)
Juniper
Shiyiya
I think everybody's allowed to cry. Just some people think it's a "weak"
thing to do so they refuse to. But sometimes is a very strong thing.
You can have an internet hug from me if you want Shay.
Shay of confuzzled
> In article <7q7v0h...@mid.individual.net>,
> Shay of confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> No-one asked me, but I don't know that anyone is ever too grown up for
>>> stuffies. I have a stuffed bunny who goes with me when I travel. I
>>> sleep with him when I'm in hotels and stuff.
>>>
>>> I hope you get to take your new monkee to see the T.
>>>
>>> Juniper
>> t sed its ok with her if i bring my monkee
>> and hes got a name now. hes puddles pete. puddles sez its ok
>>
>> duz your bunny have a name?
>
> Yup. It's pronounced, "Chumly" but it's spelled "Cholmondeley." It's
> one of those British pronunciation things, like "St. John" being
> pronounced "Sinjin" or "Ralph" being pronounced "Rafe."
>
> His name was said first (he's my chum, so he's Chumly) before I thought
> to spell it. :-)
>
:)
Shay of confuzzled
:)
thats nise
:)
k we gonna go bed now and im not even gonna complane
:)
Shiyiya
:) Goodnight Shay.
Oscar of confuzzled
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>> astri wrote:
>>>
>>>> talk to her
>>>
>>> always willing
>>>
>> seems like she's not going to talk
>> not really
>>
>> she was planning to p*rge
>> and thinking about how to be d*ad. not just her general "I want to"
>> it was scary others inside
>
> thank you for posting then
> prolly be a good idea to get the body to t then too
>
that did a whole lot of f*cking good
Oscar of confuzzled
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>> Shiyiya wrote:
>>> Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>>>> astri wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> talk to her
>>>>>
>>>>> always willing
>>>>>
>>>> seems like she's not going to talk
>>>> not really
>>>>
>>>> she was planning to p*rge
>>>> and thinking about how to be d*ad. not just her general "I want to"
>>>> it was scary others inside
>>>
>>
>> yeah. she seems calmer maybe but I don't really believe it. I think
>> she's just waiting until we stop paying attention. And I know me
>> getting p*ssed off at her won't do any good. haven't any clue what
>> else to do.
>
> take her to t and someone tell t
>
t wasn't there was she?
I can't believe I bought into this crap. we are too dependant on others
already. t is not our savior. we don't need to be depending on anyone
but ourself
Rys
And how well has that been working out for you, exactly?
Oscar of confuzzled
we've got a house and a job
when we are depending on ourself we stay away from creeps
over all I'd say it works pretty damn well
Echo
And interesting how you're going completely on externally dervied
factors of "success" rather than things like "happy" or "not starving"
or "not hating each other/yourselves"
Oscar of confuzzled
we are often happy. it seems like when we get most unhappy is when they
are expecting things out of other people and then get let down. we are
happy when we hike and with the pets and doing photography and writing.
that stuff isn't much contingent on other people
and back to rys's question. we were the little kid that everyone thought
was a r*tard. there's a h*ll of a lot of stuff the foo or the school
didn't bother to teach us or help us with. we got through that and made
it to where we are now. by doing it ourself. so don't tell me it doesn't
work
Echo
And how many things still haven't you learned? Like eating, it seems :P
(And just to make it clear I'm not implying you need a t for that.)
astri
dunno
seemed to help after friday session
how about talking about what you're angry about
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astri
> astri wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>>> Shiyiya wrote:
>>>> Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>>>>> astri wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> talk to her
>>>>>>
>>>>>> always willing
>>>>>>
>>>>> seems like she's not going to talk
>>>>> not really
>>>>>
>>>>> she was planning to p*rge
>>>>> and thinking about how to be d*ad. not just her general "I want to"
>>>>> it was scary others inside
>>>>
>>>> yikes.
>>>
>>> yeah. she seems calmer maybe but I don't really believe it. I think
>>> she's just waiting until we stop paying attention. And I know me
>>> getting p*ssed off at her won't do any good. haven't any clue what
>>> else to do.
>>
>> take her to t and someone tell t
>>
> t wasn't there was she?
she's human
she made a mistake
she apologized and made up for it
she offered you a session the next day (a holiday)
> I can't believe I bought into this crap. we are too dependant on
> others already. t is not our savior. we don't need to be depending on
> anyone but ourself
nope, not your savior
but you need a consultant
and you need someone to help you deal with leaving the past in the past
but that will take some participation and work on the part of all of
you
not just wishful thinking that you can just stuff it away and bluster
through everything
that really hasn't worked except for very short periods
think you've spent years with pdoc t skirting some of these issues
and placing barriers with him against actually dealing with the issues
think you changing t's was a way to try to break that pattern and
actually work with someone with a fresh start
you've made that fresh start
really
but it isn't miracle working and it takes time and effort
seems you are giving up in a snit because she was human and made a
mistake and others got upset
that'll work really well
Oscar of confuzzled
> On Dec 31, 6:15 pm, Oscar of confuzzled
> <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> cometz wrote:
>>> On Dec 31, 5:49 pm, Oscar of confuzzled
>>> <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> cometz wrote:
>>> snip
<...>
>>> we kind of think the word wimpy is a mean word. it implies being weak
>>> when i think it is more appropriate to use the word vulnerable. we
>>> have to take medicines and i don't think we are wimpy.
>>
>> hmm... alright. will try not to use the word wimp. that may take some
>> practice. I guess it's a word we use a lot.
>>
>
> didn't notice you did till this post. sounds like something one gets
> called by bullies. are lots of ugly words like that. that's really all
> they are used for too, to be ugly. our word is stupid. understand how
> they stick. doesn't make them correct or useful.
>
ok
>> I don't much like the word vulnerable. that sounds like weak to me too
>>
>
> vulnerable can be weak. babies are vulnerable. they are weak if
> something big and strong hurt them. but then again so would a grown
> body if something like a hurricane happened. but it doesn't mean it is
> implicitly bad. just is a state of being in certain circumstances.
>
so, vulnerable can change
> also being vulnerable at appropriate times with trustworthy ppl can
> mean having close and caring relationships. if there is no ability to
> be vulnerable sometimes i think it would be very hard to really share
> self with anyone. and vise versa. ppl who can't allow emotions to be
> vulnerable are usually not very happy ppl. sometimes the feelings
> squeeze out as anger, sometimes they just stay stuck and hard like
> wood. was married to one who stayed stuck and angry. was sad. he needs
> so much to have someone with whom he can be vulnerable but he can't
> allow it to happen.
>
not sure I understand
> but vulnerable can be scary. is very scary. for us it is also the only
> way we begin to feel real. and being vulnerable doesn't mean you
> aren't strong. it doesn't mean you don't have boundaries. can be the
> ability to safely choose who you can trust with important things of
> self. we have been able to sometimes be vulnerable in tpy. often run
> away to not be so. is hard.
>
so, you are saying it can be brave to be vulnerable?
>>>> they had nightmares. wolfie says she doesn't remember so i don't know
>>>> why she'd be so freaked out.
>>>
>>> cause sometimes the feelings spread all over even if you don't know
>>> the story. we had bad bad nite last nite also. woke up twisted and not
>>> breathing very well. has taken all day to get body to untwist. i don't
>>> know what the stories were but know it was a bad bad nite. always bad
>>> when wake up with suff*cating feelings.
>> ok
>>
>> regrets the bad night
>>
>
> thanks. hate when it takes the whole day to get over it. oh well.
>
yeah, that is rotten
Oscar of confuzzled
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>
>> wouldn't help. because if it's all psychosomatic then we will
>> believe the inhaler will work
>
> but the doc wouldn't have noticed the physical signs that caused her to
> prescribe the inhaler
> and the antibiotics
>
>> you might be right about being more of a wimp without though. at
>> least right now. we barely walk at all and we get out of breath. sh*t
>> we laugh and we been getting out of breath.
>
> that's not good
>
>> can we get dependent on the inhaler?
>
> you're dependent on oxygen
>
heh!!!
ok, you got me there
Oscar of confuzzled
> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>> astri wrote:
>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>>>> astri wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> talk to her
>>>>>
>>>>> always willing
>>>>>
>>>> seems like she's not going to talk
>>>> not really
>>>>
>>>> she was planning to p*rge
>>>> and thinking about how to be d*ad. not just her general "I want to"
>>>> it was scary others inside
>>>
>>> thank you for posting then
>>> prolly be a good idea to get the body to t then too
>>>
>> that did a whole lot of f*cking good
>
> dunno
> seemed to help after friday session
>
> how about talking about what you're angry about
>
right now I'm mad at everything
I think I posted some of it
something no one has mentioned is there is another family get together
for the SIL this upcoming saturday. of course they said we'd come. we
are barely coping, have a crazy schedule and they said we'd come. that
makes me angry
Oscar of confuzzled
maybe
Oscar of confuzzled
it's easy to apologize.
> she offered you a session the next day (a holiday)
>
I think she saw other people on the holiday too so it wasn't some super
grand session
>> I can't believe I bought into this crap. we are too dependant on
>> others already. t is not our savior. we don't need to be depending on
>> anyone but ourself
>
> nope, not your savior
>
right
> but you need a consultant
> and you need someone to help you deal with leaving the past in the past
>
why? why can't we use asd and read and figure it out that way? why do we
have to go see a t?
> but that will take some participation and work on the part of all of
> you
>
> not just wishful thinking that you can just stuff it away and bluster
> through everything
>
> that really hasn't worked except for very short periods
>
> think you've spent years with pdoc t skirting some of these issues
> and placing barriers with him against actually dealing with the issues
>
it hasn't been me working with pdoc.
> think you changing t's was a way to try to break that pattern and
> actually work with someone with a fresh start
>
> you've made that fresh start
> really
>
> but it isn't miracle working and it takes time and effort
>
I don't expect miracles. I don't expect much. I think the other's do. I
think that's a huge part of our problem is they ahve totally unrealistic
expectations
> seems you are giving up in a snit because she was human and made a
> mistake and others got upset
>
my point is they got upset totally out of proportion. I get that she's
human.
> that'll work really well
>
I'm not giving up
astri
> astri wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>>> astri wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>>>>> astri wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> talk to her
>>>>>>
>>>>>> always willing
>>>>>>
>>>>> seems like she's not going to talk
>>>>> not really
>>>>>
>>>>> she was planning to p*rge
>>>>> and thinking about how to be d*ad. not just her general "I want to"
>>>>> it was scary others inside
>>>>
>>>> thank you for posting then
>>>> prolly be a good idea to get the body to t then too
>>>>
>>> that did a whole lot of f*cking good
>>
>> dunno
>> seemed to help after friday session
>>
> the one shay went to?
yes
>> how about talking about what you're angry about
>>
> right now I'm mad at everything
> I think I posted some of it
k
> something no one has mentioned is there is another family get
> together for the SIL this upcoming saturday. of course they said we'd
> come. we are barely coping, have a crazy schedule and they said we'd
> come. that makes me angry
oh
sigh
know charlie would want to go
think right now with the coping so difficult it will be really really
hard to go and not deteriorate further
see how that would make you angry
astri
> astri wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>>> astri wrote:
>>>>
>>>> take her to t and someone tell t
>>>>
>>> t wasn't there was she?
>>
>> she's human
>> she made a mistake
>> she apologized and made up for it
>
> it's easy to apologize.
may be
but there are frequent mentions here about t's who don't apologize and
make everything about the person seeing them
>> she offered you a session the next day (a holiday)
>>
> I think she saw other people on the holiday too so it wasn't some
> super grand session
k
>>> I can't believe I bought into this crap. we are too dependant on
>>> others already. t is not our savior. we don't need to be depending
>>> on anyone but ourself
>>
>> nope, not your savior
>>
> right
>
>> but you need a consultant
>> and you need someone to help you deal with leaving the past in the
>> past
>>
> why? why can't we use asd and read and figure it out that way? why do
> we have to go see a t?
maybe you could
seriously doubt wolfie could
think right now some of you actually need to
just what we see
>> but that will take some participation and work on the part of all of
>> you
>>
>> not just wishful thinking that you can just stuff it away and bluster
>> through everything
>>
>> that really hasn't worked except for very short periods
>>
>> think you've spent years with pdoc t skirting some of these issues
>> and placing barriers with him against actually dealing with the issues
>>
> it hasn't been me working with pdoc.
understand that
was using the total you
>> think you changing t's was a way to try to break that pattern and
>> actually work with someone with a fresh start
>>
>> you've made that fresh start
>> really
>>
>> but it isn't miracle working and it takes time and effort
>>
> I don't expect miracles. I don't expect much. I think the other's do.
> I think that's a huge part of our problem is they ahve totally
> unrealistic expectations
t can help learn more realistic expectations
and help break those patterns
cuz they really haven't broken them yet
>> seems you are giving up in a snit because she was human and made a
>> mistake and others got upset
>>
> my point is they got upset totally out of proportion. I get that
> she's human.
ok
>> that'll work really well
>
> I'm not giving up
good