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E Rabbit

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Jul 10, 2009, 3:59:46 PM7/10/09
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On Jul 10, 12:38 pm, j...@tuells.org (jill) wrote:

> >> scared.  lonely.  those are words.
>
> >those are powerful words. those are painful words. regrets
>
> Those are stuck words. Means you have to take a risk and try something
> outside of the same old same old to change them.

Oy. That's the rub, isn't it....

Thanks.

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fuzzy

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Jul 12, 2009, 10:41:22 PM7/12/09
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jill wrote:

>>>>>
>>>> oooo, cool we want a stuffed dragon
>>> I have a spare one but I'm not sure it would mail well *grin* It
>>> is about the size of a 4 year old and is bright yellow and blue. I
>>> am trying to picture dragging it into the UPS office and asking them
>>> if they could box it up...
>>>
>> :)
>>
>> that's a big dragon
>
> Yep. Fritz went through a very intense period of NEEDING stuffed
> animals. He still needs them for the most part, but it is much more
> subtle. He found the stuffed dragon at a science fiction convention
> during that phase and then dragged it around with us for the rest of
> the weekend. Slept on it, sat on it, hugged it, wrestled with it.
>
> It was needed.
>
is ok to need things like that?

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jill

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Jul 13, 2009, 11:07:43 PM7/13/09
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In article <7bvl6eF...@mid.individual.net>,

Yes, fritz is an amazing fantastic wonderful kid and if he needs
a stuffed animal... then that is exactly what he needs and it is not
a problem. Especially cause he himself has wised up and knows that
dragging a 3 foot neon yellow/blue dragon around is a tad bit
inconvenient and he now settles on small stuff that can be stuffed
into a back pack :)

When we go on vacation he has three stuffed animals we lock in the
fire safe or take with us. They are _that_ important. This is also
very ok.

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wolfie of confuzzled

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Jul 13, 2009, 11:40:23 PM7/13/09
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k

seems like maybe needing things is a problem
or being needy is a problem
is that different?

jill

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Jul 14, 2009, 9:05:30 PM7/14/09
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In article <7c2d12F2...@mid.individual.net>,

Only when the body was young. Not any more. Now, being needy and
needing things is ok. How you go about _getting_ those things
might be a problem, or might not be a problem. Had fritz decided to
continue needing to drag that dragon around we might have had a
problem, for example.

However, if you are anything like us, when the body was little any
sort of need or neediness was immediately pounced on as a weakness
and attacked to be exploited. In that case showing neediness would
have resulted in something bad happening. Now is not then.

fuzzy

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Jul 14, 2009, 11:58:52 PM7/14/09
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don't want to have needs
want to make them just go away
know we aren't being reasonable
isn't ok. can't believe it's ok
sorry

EB

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Jul 15, 2009, 1:37:04 AM7/15/09
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On Jul 14, 7:05 pm, j...@tuells.org (jill) wrote:
> In article <7c2d12F24t84c...@mid.individual.net>,

> wolfie of confuzzled  <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >jill wrote:
> >> In article <7bvl6eF24862...@mid.individual.net>,
>                         j...@tuells.org

for me it was the opposite -- shows of independence got me in trouble
and they were forever forcing me to stay in that needy pathetic state.
to try to hide emotions was sui. - it meant i "didn't love her" (mom)
-- they made me act vulnerable. they made me share. silence wasn't
allowed.

astri

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Jul 15, 2009, 1:18:11 PM7/15/09
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On Tue, 14 Jul 2009, fuzzy wrote:

> don't want to have needs
> want to make them just go away
> know we aren't being reasonable
> isn't ok. can't believe it's ok
> sorry

understand
recently got t shirt
says: do not want!
puts it outside
adds humor
dunno how much it helps tho

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astri

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Jul 15, 2009, 1:40:15 PM7/15/09
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On Tue, 14 Jul 2009, EB wrote:

> for me it was the opposite -- shows of independence got me in trouble
> and they were forever forcing me to stay in that needy pathetic
> state. to try to hide emotions was sui. - it meant i "didn't love
> her" (mom) -- they made me act vulnerable. they made me share.
> silence wasn't allowed.

we were guilted for silence but did it anyway. no words. words too
shameful. nothing nothing nothing much safer.

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