the weekend argument
Oscar of confuzzled
wolfie wants to sit wrapped in blankiets nd read asd and maybe nap and
do nothing
charlie says we promised the brother we'd come visit. we did say we'd go
visit. we also sent him an email on wednesday asking if saturday or
sundy would be better. we got no reply. we called last night and have
gotten no reply. charlie wants to try to call again. I think if they
can't bother to call then too bad on them. that is going to take most of
dy. charlie would also like to wrap presents and do some holiday shopping
I think we have chores we need to do. the kitchen sink drain pipe leaks.
we need to take care of that. there is dirty dishes and trash in the
sink. apparently they are too lazy to take the extra step to throw the
trash in the garbage. we need to do laundry, vacuum, empty the litter
box and shop for groceries and dog food
someone is whining we don't feel good. that happens every weekend. we
are not sick every weekend.
(pets)
and of course we will walk the mutt today and tomorrow. we haven't gone
snow shoeing or skiing or a good hike. someone says we haven't done
anything fun in a while but that's not true
this whole thing pisses me off
astri
> it varies a bit from weekend to weekend but it's much the sme
>
> wolfie wants to sit wrapped in blankiets nd read asd and maybe nap
> and do nothing
>
> charlie says we promised the brother we'd come visit. we did say we'd
> go visit. we also sent him an email on wednesday asking if saturday
> or sundy would be better. we got no reply. we called last night and
> have gotten no reply. charlie wants to try to call again. I think if
> they can't bother to call then too bad on them. that is going to take
think you're right on that
> most of dy. charlie would also like to wrap presents and do some
> holiday shopping
>
> I think we have chores we need to do. the kitchen sink drain pipe
> leaks. we need to take care of that. there is dirty dishes and trash
> in the sink. apparently they are too lazy to take the extra step to
> throw the trash in the garbage. we need to do laundry, vacuum, empty
> the litter box and shop for groceries and dog food
as always, gotta prioritize
> someone is whining we don't feel good. that happens every weekend. we
> are not sick every weekend.
but prolly stressed and overload from work week every weekend
> (pets)
>
> and of course we will walk the mutt today and tomorrow. we haven't
> gone snow shoeing or skiing or a good hike. someone says we haven't
> done anything fun in a while but that's not true
>
> this whole thing pisses me off
always does
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cometz
am all in same problem only cause of only one day working spend every
day cramped into these things.
sorry you have it. it is destroying us i think.
think you don't need to see brother. you replied. repeatedly. if they
don't reply then you carry on with your own life.
maybe just do one thing of the list that is most bothering and then
see how it goes. sometimes when we can't get chores done just doing
one, usually dishes, gets the energy going to finish more.
sorry for hard times. we sleep lots these days to be away from own
thinking. hate going out. hate being. hiding from everything. also
from us.
ne
Shiyiya
> it varies a bit from weekend to weekend but it's much the sme
>
> wolfie wants to sit wrapped in blankiets nd read asd and maybe nap and
> do nothing
>
> charlie says we promised the brother we'd come visit. we did say we'd go
> visit. we also sent him an email on wednesday asking if saturday or
> sundy would be better. we got no reply. we called last night and have
> gotten no reply. charlie wants to try to call again. I think if they
> can't bother to call then too bad on them.
Sounds pretty reasonable to me - if they wanted you to visit so much
they could tell you when would be best. Good reason not to go.
> that is going to take most of
> dy. charlie would also like to wrap presents and do some holiday shopping
>
> I think we have chores we need to do. the kitchen sink drain pipe leaks.
> we need to take care of that. there is dirty dishes and trash in the
> sink. apparently they are too lazy to take the extra step to throw the
> trash in the garbage. we need to do laundry, vacuum, empty the litter
> box and shop for groceries and dog food
>
> someone is whining we don't feel good. that happens every weekend. we
> are not sick every weekend.
It seems like the body never feels very good, which is probably
attributable to it not getting sufficient fuel and care.
>
> (pets)
>
> and of course we will walk the mutt today and tomorrow. we haven't gone
> snow shoeing or skiing or a good hike. someone says we haven't done
> anything fun in a while but that's not true
>
> this whole thing pisses me off
I think most people want to relax on their days off from work.
Do you think you guys could compromise and agree to do chores one day
and relax the other, or chores in the morning and relax in the afternoon
or something?
(I spelled chores wrong TWICE. Argh. I mish my fingers would hit the
keys I tell them to instead of getting their own ideas. Hmph.)
jill
Oscar of confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>it varies a bit from weekend to weekend but it's much the sme
>
>wolfie wants to sit wrapped in blankiets nd read asd and maybe nap and
>do nothing
>
>charlie says we promised the brother we'd come visit. we did say we'd go
>visit. we also sent him an email on wednesday asking if saturday or
>sundy would be better. we got no reply. we called last night and have
>gotten no reply. charlie wants to try to call again. I think if they
>can't bother to call then too bad on them. that is going to take most of
> dy. charlie would also like to wrap presents and do some holiday shopping
>
>I think we have chores we need to do. the kitchen sink drain pipe leaks.
>we need to take care of that. there is dirty dishes and trash in the
>sink. apparently they are too lazy to take the extra step to throw the
>trash in the garbage. we need to do laundry, vacuum, empty the litter
>box and shop for groceries and dog food
>
>someone is whining we don't feel good. that happens every weekend. we
>are not sick every weekend.
While I agree you are most likely not sick every weekend, have you
considered there might be something in your house that you are
reacting too? For example, if you have a build of carbon monoxide you
would be headachy all the time. If you have mold around you would feel
all stuffed up. If/when you force yourself to leave the building for
several hours do the symptoms go away? Just something to consider.
It's amazing what a person will consider as 'nothing' when there is a
physical link to it in some way.
Rainbow Colors (Jill)
>(pets)
>
>and of course we will walk the mutt today and tomorrow. we haven't gone
>snow shoeing or skiing or a good hike. someone says we haven't done
>anything fun in a while but that's not true
>
>this whole thing pisses me off
--
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The colors blend, the edges soften. Swirling and mixing
we are becoming white light.
ji...@tuells.org
wolfie of confuzzled
> it varies a bit from weekend to weekend but it's much the sme
>
> wolfie wants to sit wrapped in blankiets nd read asd and maybe nap and
> do nothing
>
> charlie says we promised the brother we'd come visit. we did say we'd go
> visit. we also sent him an email on wednesday asking if saturday or
> sundy would be better. we got no reply. we called last night and have
> gotten no reply. charlie wants to try to call again. I think if they
> can't bother to call then too bad on them. that is going to take most of
> dy. charlie would also like to wrap presents and do some holiday shopping
>
> I think we have chores we need to do. the kitchen sink drain pipe leaks.
> we need to take care of that. there is dirty dishes and trash in the
> sink. apparently they are too lazy to take the extra step to throw the
> trash in the garbage. we need to do laundry, vacuum, empty the litter
> box and shop for groceries and dog food
>
> someone is whining we don't feel good. that happens every weekend. we
> are not sick every weekend.
>
> (pets)
>
> and of course we will walk the mutt today and tomorrow. we haven't gone
> snow shoeing or skiing or a good hike. someone says we haven't done
> anything fun in a while but that's not true
>
> this whole thing pisses me off
you always mad
we tried really really hard today
give us a break now
we made a list
we crossing things off as they get done so people can see we doing
stuff. people can see we doing their stuff
we did too much though. everyone wants their stuff.
and the stupid sink still leaks a bit
and none of this matters anyway
Shiyiya
wolfie, did the rest of you see my reply to Oscar? think was maybe aimed
to everyone as well.
wolfie of confuzzled
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>
>> it varies a bit from weekend to weekend but it's much the sme
>>
>> wolfie wants to sit wrapped in blankiets nd read asd and maybe nap
>> and do nothing
>>
>> charlie says we promised the brother we'd come visit. we did say we'd
>> go visit. we also sent him an email on wednesday asking if saturday
>> or sundy would be better. we got no reply. we called last night and
>> have gotten no reply. charlie wants to try to call again. I think if
>> they can't bother to call then too bad on them. that is going to take
>
> think you're right on that
>
he's not in the h*spital or anything. 2 phone messages and 1 email. no
reply. think charlie is sad. trying to be more understanding about that
>> most of dy. charlie would also like to wrap presents and do some
>> holiday shopping
>>
>> I think we have chores we need to do. the kitchen sink drain pipe
>> leaks. we need to take care of that. there is dirty dishes and trash
>> in the sink. apparently they are too lazy to take the extra step to
>> throw the trash in the garbage. we need to do laundry, vacuum, empty
>> the litter box and shop for groceries and dog food
>
> as always, gotta prioritize
>
we made a list. we put all sorts of things on it. even "fun" things
oscar didn't really think should be on it. then we crossed things off as
they got done. that way everyone could see we were getting things done.
And could see we were doing things they thought should be on the list.
think that helped.
we said it was a list for more then just the weekend but think that part
didn't work so well.
wolfie of confuzzled
> think you don't need to see brother. you replied. repeatedly. if they
> don't reply then you carry on with your own life.
>
k
> maybe just do one thing of the list that is most bothering and then
> see how it goes. sometimes when we can't get chores done just doing
> one, usually dishes, gets the energy going to finish more.
>
is how we work too. did lots. was too much for me but oscar let me have
today as a quieter day so guess it's ok. maybe better then it has been?
> sorry for hard times. we sleep lots these days to be away from own
> thinking. hate going out. hate being. hiding from everything. also
> from us.
>
> ne
understand this. except sleep doesn't seem much of an escape
Charlie of Confuzzled
> Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>> it varies a bit from weekend to weekend but it's much the sme
>>
>> wolfie wants to sit wrapped in blankiets nd read asd and maybe nap and
>> do nothing
>>
>> charlie says we promised the brother we'd come visit. we did say we'd
>> go visit. we also sent him an email on wednesday asking if saturday or
>> sundy would be better. we got no reply. we called last night and have
>> gotten no reply. charlie wants to try to call again. I think if they
>> can't bother to call then too bad on them.
>
> Sounds pretty reasonable to me - if they wanted you to visit so much
> they could tell you when would be best. Good reason not to go.
They are probably just having a hard time. And I guess maybe they are
mad because we didn't go to the b*rthday. Or they are just fed up with
me. I think that happens a lot. People just get tired of us. It's not
really their fault. We are just overwhelming.
I really tried hard at Th*nksgiving. I helped. And when I talked to my
br*ther about the b*rthday party I thought he understood. We must have
done something wrong. I wish they'd tell me what. Then I could fix it
astri
> astri wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>>
>>> it varies a bit from weekend to weekend but it's much the sme
>>>
>>> wolfie wants to sit wrapped in blankiets nd read asd and maybe nap
>>> and do nothing
>>>
>>> charlie says we promised the brother we'd come visit. we did say
>>> we'd go visit. we also sent him an email on wednesday asking if
>>> saturday or sundy would be better. we got no reply. we called last
>>> night and have gotten no reply. charlie wants to try to call again.
>>> I think if they can't bother to call then too bad on them. that is
>>> going to take
>>
>> think you're right on that
>>
> charlie did call him again. he didn't answer. talked to p*rents so
> know he's not in the h*spital or anything. 2 phone messages and 1
> email. no reply. think charlie is sad. trying to be more
> understanding about that
well, it *is* sad
she's trying to reach out and help and he's apparently just ignoring
>>> most of dy. charlie would also like to wrap presents and do some
>>> holiday shopping
>>>
>>> I think we have chores we need to do. the kitchen sink drain pipe
>>> leaks. we need to take care of that. there is dirty dishes and
>>> trash in the sink. apparently they are too lazy to take the extra
>>> step to throw the trash in the garbage. we need to do laundry,
>>> vacuum, empty the litter box and shop for groceries and dog food
>>
>> as always, gotta prioritize
>>
> we made a list. we put all sorts of things on it. even "fun" things
> oscar didn't really think should be on it. then we crossed things off
> as they got done. that way everyone could see we were getting things
> done. And could see we were doing things they thought should be on
> the list. think that helped.
good
> we said it was a list for more then just the weekend but think that
> part didn't work so well.
oops
astri
> They are probably just having a hard time. And I guess maybe they are
> mad because we didn't go to the b*rthday. Or they are just fed up
> with me. I think that happens a lot. People just get tired of us.
> It's not really their fault. We are just overwhelming.
do you think it's always your fault?
> I really tried hard at Th*nksgiving. I helped. And when I talked to
> my br*ther about the b*rthday party I thought he understood. We must
> have done something wrong. I wish they'd tell me what. Then I could
> fix it
or at least you'd try to fix it
Echo
It isn't your job to make them happy, Charlie. It was their job to take
care of you when your body was a kid - which it sounds like they didn't
do an amazing job at - and you have no duty to them now. It isn't your
job to put their needs first. That's their job.
And I certainly haven't seen any evidence of you (plural) doing anything
wrong. Just crap from them that seems to be old patterns.
You don't have to be the dutiful daughter Charlie. You can be yourself,
and decide what that means and what you want.
astri
> It isn't your job to make them happy, Charlie. It was their job to
> take care of you when your body was a kid - which it sounds like they
> didn't do an amazing job at - and you have no duty to them now. It
> isn't your job to put their needs first. That's their job.
only partially agree
agree that it is each adult's job to put their own needs at top
(is *hard* *hard* *hard* for us to do!)
agree it is the rent's job to take care of kids
and put kid's needs higher than rent's needs in many instances
seems you are putting the issue of duty to fambly and making fambly
happy in black/white terms.
isn't any offspring's *job* to *make* fambly happy. but is part of
being fambly that there is sense of goodness in contributing to
happiness.
and don't think duty is black/white either. think that in some cases it
is necessary and healthy to totally sever relationship with foo. think
those are extreme cases. don't think is necessary and healthy in all
cases that foo contains damaged people and rents made more mistakes
than many rents make, even mistakes that were hurtful.
think is always individual decision regarding whether the extreme
decison to sever needs to be made (and taking a break or having some
greater separation for a while in order to figure out how to have
healthier relationship is not severing).
do think that there is duty to fambly that persists throughout life
when relationships have not been totally severed.
> And I certainly haven't seen any evidence of you (plural) doing
> anything wrong. Just crap from them that seems to be old patterns.
haven't seen evidence of confuzzled doing anything wrong either.
> You don't have to be the dutiful daughter Charlie. You can be
> yourself, and decide what that means and what you want.
what if what charlie wants is to be dutiful daughter?
Echo
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, Echo wrote:
>
>> It isn't your job to make them happy, Charlie. It was their job to
>> take care of you when your body was a kid - which it sounds like they
>> didn't do an amazing job at - and you have no duty to them now. It
>> isn't your job to put their needs first. That's their job.
>
> only partially agree
> agree that it is each adult's job to put their own needs at top
> (is *hard* *hard* *hard* for us to do!)
>
> agree it is the rent's job to take care of kids
> and put kid's needs higher than rent's needs in many instances
>
> seems you are putting the issue of duty to fambly and making fambly
> happy in black/white terms.
>
> isn't any offspring's *job* to *make* fambly happy. but is part of
> being fambly that there is sense of goodness in contributing to
> happiness.
But should be a choice, not an obligation. From here it looks like
Charlie feels obligation.
>
> and don't think duty is black/white either. think that in some cases it
> is necessary and healthy to totally sever relationship with foo. think
> those are extreme cases. don't think is necessary and healthy in all
> cases that foo contains damaged people and rents made more mistakes
> than many rents make, even mistakes that were hurtful.
We may be biased since we'd love to fully cut ties for not even ab*se.
(Rys) Shut up Shi you are not going off diving while Echo's in the
middle of posting stop being an idiot
(sorry)
>
> think is always individual decision regarding whether the extreme
> decison to sever needs to be made (and taking a break or having some
> greater separation for a while in order to figure out how to have
> healthier relationship is not severing).
>
> do think that there is duty to fambly that persists throughout life
> when relationships have not been totally severed.
Doesn't seem to us that one owes anything at all to people who have h*rt
you.
(Shi) But maybe we just want to d*e alone.
(Rys) Oh shut up already this thread isn't about you go be maudlin in
your own thread
>
>> And I certainly haven't seen any evidence of you (plural) doing
>> anything wrong. Just crap from them that seems to be old patterns.
>
> haven't seen evidence of confuzzled doing anything wrong either.
That was what I meant. >_<
>
>> You don't have to be the dutiful daughter Charlie. You can be
>> yourself, and decide what that means and what you want.
>
> what if what charlie wants is to be dutiful daughter?
>
Think my point was that it doesn't seem to make her happy and she could
find something that does. Didn't get enough sleep. Not quite as coherent
as we'd like.
jill
Charlie of Confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.con> wrote:
>Shiyiya wrote:
>> Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>>> it varies a bit from weekend to weekend but it's much the sme
>>>
>>> wolfie wants to sit wrapped in blankiets nd read asd and maybe nap and
>>> do nothing
>>>
>>> charlie says we promised the brother we'd come visit. we did say we'd
>>> go visit. we also sent him an email on wednesday asking if saturday or
>>> sundy would be better. we got no reply. we called last night and have
>>> gotten no reply. charlie wants to try to call again. I think if they
>>> can't bother to call then too bad on them.
>>
>> Sounds pretty reasonable to me - if they wanted you to visit so much
>> they could tell you when would be best. Good reason not to go.
>
>They are probably just having a hard time. And I guess maybe they are
>mad because we didn't go to the b*rthday. Or they are just fed up with
>me. I think that happens a lot. People just get tired of us. It's not
>really their fault. We are just overwhelming.
Because human beings are naturally relatively self centered, I have
taken to comparing lots of stuff against how _I_ would do/feel/believe
in that situation. In this situation _I_ would not have gotten tired
of you. In reality I am not tired of you. I don't find you to be
overwhelming. Based on my 'I' centered barometer, it is _they_ who
have the problem.
>I really tried hard at Th*nksgiving. I helped. And when I talked to my
>br*ther about the b*rthday party I thought he understood. We must have
>done something wrong. I wish they'd tell me what. Then I could fix it
Well, in their version of reality I'm sure you did do 'something
wrong'. I have a feeling that what this is is completely unrealistic
and not at all something that is good for you :P Families like this
are so wrapped up in keeping one person in a scapegoat (or some other)
position, they end up being unhealthy. Think of what we as a group
have read of ubiquity's foo. What they do to them is NOT ok, and I"m
sure you can see that as well. Now think of how similar it is what
your foo is doing to you.
Based on external, objective reality, you did NOTHING wrong. It is
your foo that has the problem.
Rainbow Colors (Jill)
astri
> astri wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, Echo wrote:
>>
>>> It isn't your job to make them happy, Charlie. It was their job to
>>> take care of you when your body was a kid - which it sounds like
>>> they didn't do an amazing job at - and you have no duty to them
>>> now. It isn't your job to put their needs first. That's their job.
>>
>> only partially agree
>> agree that it is each adult's job to put their own needs at top
>> (is *hard* *hard* *hard* for us to do!)
>>
>> agree it is the rent's job to take care of kids
>> and put kid's needs higher than rent's needs in many instances
>>
>> seems you are putting the issue of duty to fambly and making fambly
>> happy in black/white terms.
>>
>> isn't any offspring's *job* to *make* fambly happy. but is part of
>> being fambly that there is sense of goodness in contributing to
>> happiness.
>
> But should be a choice, not an obligation. From here it looks like
> Charlie feels obligation.
think the choice is to be part of the fambly. think there is *some*
obligation involved. but shouldn't be desperation. and shouldn't be all
one-sided, definitely.
>> and don't think duty is black/white either. think that in some cases
>> it is necessary and healthy to totally sever relationship with foo.
>> think those are extreme cases. don't think is necessary and healthy
>> in all cases that foo contains damaged people and rents made more
>> mistakes than many rents make, even mistakes that were hurtful.
>
> We may be biased since we'd love to fully cut ties for not even
> ab*se.
k
> (Rys) Shut up Shi you are not going off diving while Echo's in the
> middle of posting stop being an idiot
shi having hard time
> (sorry)
>>
>> think is always individual decision regarding whether the extreme
>> decison to sever needs to be made (and taking a break or having some
>> greater separation for a while in order to figure out how to have
>> healthier relationship is not severing).
>>
>> do think that there is duty to fambly that persists throughout life
>> when relationships have not been totally severed.
>
> Doesn't seem to us that one owes anything at all to people who have
> h*rt you.
think there's an it depends there
> (Shi) But maybe we just want to d*e alone.
> (Rys) Oh shut up already this thread isn't about you go be maudlin in
> your own thread
shi, seems you're maybe depressed? wish there was some way you could
get reasonable help for that.
maybe the rage is cuz of the depression, too? maybe that's rys'
reaction to depression?
>>> And I certainly haven't seen any evidence of you (plural) doing
>>> anything wrong. Just crap from them that seems to be old patterns.
>>
>> haven't seen evidence of confuzzled doing anything wrong either.
>
> That was what I meant. >_<
k
>>> You don't have to be the dutiful daughter Charlie. You can be
>>> yourself, and decide what that means and what you want.
>>
>> what if what charlie wants is to be dutiful daughter?
>
> Think my point was that it doesn't seem to make her happy and she
> could find something that does. Didn't get enough sleep. Not quite as
> coherent as we'd like.
k
Shiyiya
(Rys) Isn't she always.
>
>> (sorry)
>>>
>>> think is always individual decision regarding whether the extreme
>>> decison to sever needs to be made (and taking a break or having some
>>> greater separation for a while in order to figure out how to have
>>> healthier relationship is not severing).
>>>
>>> do think that there is duty to fambly that persists throughout life
>>> when relationships have not been totally severed.
>>
>> Doesn't seem to us that one owes anything at all to people who have
>> h*rt you.
>
> think there's an it depends there
>
>> (Shi) But maybe we just want to d*e alone.
>
>> (Rys) Oh shut up already this thread isn't about you go be maudlin in
>> your own thread
>
> shi, seems you're maybe depressed? wish there was some way you could
> get reasonable help for that.
>
> maybe the rage is cuz of the depression, too? maybe that's rys'
> reaction to depression?
have had diagnosis of depression for years. haven't taken anything for
it for a couple years. since stopped taking all the psych meds because
just was stack of side effects anf more meds to deal with the side
effects of the first meds.
cometz
have you tried lexapro? i think it's like the rolls royce of antid's.
know number of ppl who take it and no side effects. understand that is
very individual but it has been one of the big selling points of lex,
that the side effects are low to zero.
not pushing, just passing on info.
betsy
astri
> astri wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Echo wrote:
>>> astri wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, Echo wrote:
>>>>
>>
>>> (Rys) Shut up Shi you are not going off diving while Echo's in the
>>> middle of posting stop being an idiot
>>
>> shi having hard time
>
> (Rys) Isn't she always.
dunno
>> shi, seems you're maybe depressed? wish there was some way you could
>> get reasonable help for that.
>>
>> maybe the rage is cuz of the depression, too? maybe that's rys'
>> reaction to depression?
>
> have had diagnosis of depression for years. haven't taken anything
> for it for a couple years. since stopped taking all the psych meds
> because just was stack of side effects anf more meds to deal with the
> side effects of the first meds.
k
meds isn't only way to go
but understand you don't like tpists
confuzzled
she got the hard time.
>>> (sorry)
>>>>
>>>> think is always individual decision regarding whether the extreme
>>>> decison to sever needs to be made (and taking a break or having some
>>>> greater separation for a while in order to figure out how to have
>>>> healthier relationship is not severing).
>>>>
>>>> do think that there is duty to fambly that persists throughout life
>>>> when relationships have not been totally severed.
>>>
>>> Doesn't seem to us that one owes anything at all to people who have
>>> h*rt you.
>>
>> think there's an it depends there
>>
>>> (Shi) But maybe we just want to d*e alone.
>>
>>> (Rys) Oh shut up already this thread isn't about you go be maudlin in
>>> your own thread
>>
>> shi, seems you're maybe depressed? wish there was some way you could
>> get reasonable help for that.
>>
>> maybe the rage is cuz of the depression, too? maybe that's rys'
>> reaction to depression?
>
> have had diagnosis of depression for years. haven't taken anything for
> it for a couple years. since stopped taking all the psych meds because
> just was stack of side effects anf more meds to deal with the side
> effects of the first meds.
>>
regrets
Shiyiya
Was on lexapro low dose for a while that was supposed to stabilise the
PMDD because m*m thought we were too bitchy. It didn't help. Haven't had
it prescribed actually for depression. Was on lexapro and concerta
(which gave me insomnia) and trazadone (which was to fix the insomnia
and just made me a zombie) before stopped everything. Kind of want to
wait until have gotten out of here before messing with meds or tpy? cos
bet that'll lessen it lots
Shiyiya
*blinks*
Thank you. Hadn't really realised that.
confuzzled
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, wolfie of confuzzled wrote:
>> astri wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think we have chores we need to do. the kitchen sink drain pipe
>>>> leaks. we need to take care of that. there is dirty dishes and
>>>> trash in the sink. apparently they are too lazy to take the extra
>>>> step to throw the trash in the garbage. we need to do laundry,
>>>> vacuum, empty the litter box and shop for groceries and dog food
>>>
>>> as always, gotta prioritize
>>>
>> we made a list. we put all sorts of things on it. even "fun" things
>> oscar didn't really think should be on it. then we crossed things off
>> as they got done. that way everyone could see we were getting things
>> done. And could see we were doing things they thought should be on
>> the list. think that helped.
>
> good
>
>> we said it was a list for more then just the weekend but think that
>> part didn't work so well.
>
> oops
>
<sigh>
think we just run out of energy
but is lots stuff we gotta do. we gonna get movng now. got to!!!
think maybe if it's ok, we check in some on this post. give little updates.
dunno. maybe that more me me me stuff
just.. guess maybe we afraid of fights. today gonna be full of stuff we
can all fight over and we tired and maybe if people checking in here,
they be more reasonable?
sorry
astri
> weekend more the 1/2 over and not much crossed off. is big list.
sigh
> think we just run out of energy
>
> but is lots stuff we gotta do. we gonna get movng now. got to!!!
understand
> think maybe if it's ok, we check in some on this post. give little
> updates.
is a good idea
good way to use asd
> dunno. maybe that more me me me stuff
is good to do
give others opportunity
> just.. guess maybe we afraid of fights. today gonna be full of stuff
> we can all fight over and we tired and maybe if people checking in
> here, they be more reasonable?
maye
> sorry
accept
don't really need
wolfie of confuzzled
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009, confuzzled wrote:
>
>> weekend more the 1/2 over and not much crossed off. is big list.
>
> sigh
>
>> think we just run out of energy
>>
>> but is lots stuff we gotta do. we gonna get movng now. got to!!!
>
> understand
<sigh>
wanna be done now
>
>> think maybe if it's ok, we check in some on this post. give little
>> updates.
>
> is a good idea
> good way to use asd
>
k
house is cleaned up
not good enough maybe but is clean. we did dishes, laundry, vacuumed and
swept, emptied litter box and stuff like that
and we wrapped presents and figured out what we still need to be done
that's a lot. think we get to be done now
>> dunno. maybe that more me me me stuff
>
> is good to do
> give others opportunity
>
:/
>> just.. guess maybe we afraid of fights. today gonna be full of stuff
>> we can all fight over and we tired and maybe if people checking in
>> here, they be more reasonable?
>
> maye
>
dunno
we gonna go walk and then *maybe* stop by store. is enough!!!!
charlie wants stuff we don't want. oscar looks around and sees there is
other sttuf we can do
oscar is maybe a lot like the d*d. we were talking to t and that's
really what it seems. but we say that and oscar gets mad. t says it was
so oscar could protect us from the dad.
>> sorry
>
> accept
> don't really need
>
k
astri
> astri wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009, confuzzled wrote:
>>
>>> weekend more the 1/2 over and not much crossed off. is big list.
>>
>> sigh
>>
> k. we been busy
us too
>>> think we just run out of energy
>>>
>>> but is lots stuff we gotta do. we gonna get movng now. got to!!!
>>
>> understand
>
> <sigh>
> wanna be done now
yeah
been cleaning all week, it seems
>>> think maybe if it's ok, we check in some on this post. give little
>>> updates.
>>
>> is a good idea
>> good way to use asd
>>
> k
> house is cleaned up
> not good enough maybe but is clean. we did dishes, laundry, vacuumed
> and swept, emptied litter box and stuff like that
k
> and we wrapped presents and figured out what we still need to be done
> that's a lot. think we get to be done now
k
>>> dunno. maybe that more me me me stuff
>>
>> is good to do
>> give others opportunity
>>
> :/
>
>
>>> just.. guess maybe we afraid of fights. today gonna be full of stuff
>>> we can all fight over and we tired and maybe if people checking in
>>> here, they be more reasonable?
>>
>> maye
>>
> dunno
> we gonna go walk and then *maybe* stop by store. is enough!!!!
k
> charlie wants stuff we don't want. oscar looks around and sees there
> is other sttuf we can do
:/
> oscar is maybe a lot like the d*d. we were talking to t and that's
> really what it seems. but we say that and oscar gets mad. t says it
> was so oscar could protect us from the dad.
so if oscar doesn't like being like the dad, he can work on changing
himself. think he already has, some, actually.
>>> sorry
>>
>> accept
>> don't really need
>>
> k
k
confuzzled
> Oscar of confuzzled wrote:
>> it varies a bit from weekend to weekend but it's much the sme
>>
>> wolfie wants to sit wrapped in blankiets nd read asd and maybe nap and
>> do nothing
>>
<...>
>> that is going to take most of dy. charlie would also like to wrap
>> presents and do some holiday shopping
>>
>> I think we have chores we need to do. the kitchen sink drain pipe
>> leaks. we need to take care of that. there is dirty dishes and trash
>> in the sink. apparently they are too lazy to take the extra step to
>> throw the trash in the garbage. we need to do laundry, vacuum, empty
>> the litter box and shop for groceries and dog food
>>
>> someone is whining we don't feel good. that happens every weekend. we
>> are not sick every weekend.
>
> It seems like the body never feels very good, which is probably
> attributable to it not getting sufficient fuel and care.
>>
>> (pets)
>>
>> and of course we will walk the mutt today and tomorrow. we haven't
>> gone snow shoeing or skiing or a good hike. someone says we haven't
>> done anything fun in a while but that's not true
>>
>> this whole thing pisses me off
>
> I think most people want to relax on their days off from work.
>
> Do you think you guys could compromise and agree to do chores one day
> and relax the other, or chores in the morning and relax in the afternoon
> or something?
>
guess we working at compromise
and we talked to t twice
> (I spelled chores wrong TWICE. Argh. I mish my fingers would hit the
> keys I tell them to instead of getting their own ideas. Hmph.)
heh, you made us laugh. hope you don't think we picking on you, because
is the sort of thing we'd do...your fingers being uncooperative even
when you mishing they hit the keys you tell them :P
confuzzled
ja, we have actually thought of that. have started running air filter
again. not carbon monoxide. we way sensitive to molds so that a
possibility but we don't know of any here.
haven't been able to keep track to say well if the symptoms go way when
we gone from house for hours
confuzzled
confuzzled
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009, wolfie of confuzzled wrote:
>> astri wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009, confuzzled wrote:
>>>
>>>> weekend more the 1/2 over and not much crossed off. is big list.
>>>
>>> sigh
>>>
>> k. we been busy
>
> us too
ja
>
>>>> think we just run out of energy
>>>>
>>>> but is lots stuff we gotta do. we gonna get movng now. got to!!!
>>>
>>> understand
>>
>> <sigh>
>> wanna be done now
>
> yeah
> been cleaning all week, it seems
ja
we worry you pushing self too hard
<...>
>>>> dunno. maybe that more me me me stuff
>>>
>>> is good to do
>>> give others opportunity
>>>
>> :/
>>
>>
>>>> just.. guess maybe we afraid of fights. today gonna be full of stuff
>>>> we can all fight over and we tired and maybe if people checking in
>>>> here, they be more reasonable?
>>>
>>> maye
>>>
>> dunno
>> we gonna go walk and then *maybe* stop by store. is enough!!!!
>
> k
>
>> charlie wants stuff we don't want. oscar looks around and sees there
>> is other sttuf we can do
>
> :/
>
guess things been calmer this evening? not sure anyone satisfied, but we
been able to sit and get caught up on asd
>> oscar is maybe a lot like the d*d. we were talking to t and that's
>> really what it seems. but we say that and oscar gets mad. t says it
>> was so oscar could protect us from the dad.
>
> so if oscar doesn't like being like the dad, he can work on changing
> himself. think he already has, some, actually.
>
k
>
astri
> astri wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009, wolfie of confuzzled wrote:
>>> astri wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009, confuzzled wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> weekend more the 1/2 over and not much crossed off. is big list.
>>>>
>>>> sigh
>>>>
>>> k. we been busy
>>
>> us too
>
> ja
>>
>>>>> think we just run out of energy
>>>>>
>>>>> but is lots stuff we gotta do. we gonna get movng now. got to!!!
>>>>
>>>> understand
>>>
>>> <sigh>
>>> wanna be done now
>>
>> yeah
>> been cleaning all week, it seems
>
> ja
> we worry you pushing self too hard
stuff needs to get done
we need to do do do
is match
> <...>
>
>>> charlie wants stuff we don't want. oscar looks around and sees
>>> there is other sttuf we can do
>>
>> :/
>>
> guess things been calmer this evening? not sure anyone satisfied, but
> we been able to sit and get caught up on asd
yay
Shiyiya
*giggles* I didn't even notice I typed that wrong! How on EARTH did I
type mish, anyway?!?! m is nowhere near w! *gigglefit*
confuzzled
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009, confuzzled wrote:
>> astri wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009, wolfie of confuzzled wrote:
>>>> astri wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009, confuzzled wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> weekend more the 1/2 over and not much crossed off. is big list.
>>>>>
>>>>> sigh
>>>>>
>>>> k. we been busy
>>>
>>> us too
>>
>> ja
>>>
>>>>>> think we just run out of energy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but is lots stuff we gotta do. we gonna get movng now. got to!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> understand
>>>>
>>>> <sigh>
>>>> wanna be done now
>>>
>>> yeah
>>> been cleaning all week, it seems
>>
>> ja
>> we worry you pushing self too hard
>
> stuff needs to get done
> we need to do do do
> is match
>
an exhausting match
astri
kind of
confuzzled
astri wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, Charlie of Confuzzled wrote:
>
>> They are probably just having a hard time. And I guess maybe they are
>> mad because we didn't go to the b*rthday. Or they are just fed up
>> with me. I think that happens a lot. People just get tired of us.
>> It's not really their fault. We are just overwhelming.
>
> do you think it's always your fault?
>
Well, maybe "fault" isn't the best word but there's always room for
improvement. There's always things I can do or learn to do better in the
future
>> I really tried hard at Th*nksgiving. I helped. And when I talked to
>> my br*ther about the b*rthday party I thought he understood. We must
>> have done something wrong. I wish they'd tell me what. Then I could
>> fix it
>
> or at least you'd try to fix it
>
You're saying some things can't be fixed?
Charlie of Confuzzled
astri
> <another way late reply>
>
> astri wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, Charlie of Confuzzled wrote:
>>
>>> They are probably just having a hard time. And I guess maybe they
>>> are mad because we didn't go to the b*rthday. Or they are just fed
>>> up with me. I think that happens a lot. People just get tired of
>>> us. It's not really their fault. We are just overwhelming.
>>
>> do you think it's always your fault?
>>
> Well, maybe "fault" isn't the best word but there's always room for
> improvement. There's always things I can do or learn to do better in
> the future
of course
>>> I really tried hard at Th*nksgiving. I helped. And when I talked to
>>> my br*ther about the b*rthday party I thought he understood. We
>>> must have done something wrong. I wish they'd tell me what. Then I
>>> could fix it
>>
>> or at least you'd try to fix it
>>
> You're saying some things can't be fixed?
saying some things can't be fixed by an individual alone.
astri
figured that