miscellaneous whining
astri
not horribly, but visibly
he called his insurance company
is taking responsibility
but we don't need that to deal with
speaking of car, the egr valve still needs to be fixed
haven't gotten around to calling shop to talk to them about it
don't want to deal with that
after neighbor crunched car
and we talked to his insurance company
we had to go pick up sir lala
we were so discombobulated that we forgot to lock up the house
oh well
sir lala complained of headache on the way home
wanted to lie down and get some cuddles when we got home
no fever
got up to go make him dinner and he came out to say he didn't want
wouldn't take pain reliever
suggested would return in 15 minutes and give to him if he wasn't better
he fell asleep
hope he's not sick
haven't been able to open mail going on a week now
or something like that
get that way periodically
and then just throw it on pile on desk
do cursory check for bills and throw them on different, more visible pile
but then the creeping growth of piles on desk gets overwhelming
well, a week isn't that long a time
did manage to be in hyperfunctional mode all day at work the past 2 days
that's good
but now anxious and overwhelmed
it doesn't go away, really
have another cold again
think it's gonna be one of those years
(and it's not even winter yet)
get one cold after another
or maybe it's allergies/asthma
gets difficult to tell sometimes
just whining
that's all
(yeah, right)
-- astri
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just whining
astri
we'll put it below
and more
we're still not sleeping well
the eeg stuff helps some
but only for part of the week
we fall asleep but can't stay asleep to get enough
guess it's better to have some nights of reasonable sleep
than to have no nights of reasonable sleep
this morning we woke up with reflux
had tried a month's worth of pills for it
that worked ok
but doc had only given a month
ran out a week or so ago
and now it's starting again
so was up at 4:30
sitting straight up
yuck
but c suggests trying otc prilosec
might as well see if that works
and speaking of eeg stuff
we don't really trust eeg tpist
regular tpist asked us whether she'd given us reason not to trust
said no in session
realized later that we were uncomfortable
because eeg tpist had given us a secret about her the first session
and we don't like having a secret
feels icky
not the particular secret
just the fact that we know it's a secret
she didn't tell us it was a secret
but we know it's a secret
we're still whining
that's all
although there's prolly more
astri
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:10:00 -1000, astri <inv...@example.com> wrote:
>
>> and we forgot some stuff to whine about
>> we'll put it below
>>
>> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, astri wrote:
>>
>>> new neighbor crunched our car this afternoon
>>> not horribly, but visibly
>
yeah
woke up at 4 this morning
didn't think would fall asleep again
but did doze off
and had messed up dream about getting car repair estimate
involving the aa being home again
and the whole cast of agency characters working with her
and us walking around topless because of forgetting to get fully dressed
and never actually getting the estimate done
>>> he called his insurance company
>>> is taking responsibility
>>> but we don't need that to deal with
>
> no. it's very good that he's taking responsibility, but even so, it's
> you who will have to take the car to and from the repair place and
> deal with a rental in the meantime.
yes, and we didn't ask if car rental was part of coverage
and we still need to get his name and name of his insurance company
and
>>> speaking of car, the egr valve still needs to be fixed
>>> haven't gotten around to calling shop to talk to them about it
>>> don't want to deal with that
>>>
>>> after neighbor crunched car
>>> and we talked to his insurance company
>>> we had to go pick up sir lala
>>> we were so discombobulated that we forgot to lock up the house
>>> oh well
>
> we've never forgotten to lock the house, but more than once we've left
> the keys in the door overnight.
at least the door's not visible from the street
and the neighbors were home
>>> sir lala complained of headache on the way home
>>> wanted to lie down and get some cuddles when we got home
>>> no fever
>>> got up to go make him dinner and he came out to say he didn't want
>>> wouldn't take pain reliever
>>> suggested would return in 15 minutes and give to him if he wasn't better
>>> he fell asleep
>>> hope he's not sick
>
> i hope not too.
he's fine this morning
slept about 11 hours
>>> haven't been able to open mail going on a week now
>>> or something like that
>>> get that way periodically
>>> and then just throw it on pile on desk
>>> do cursory check for bills and throw them on different, more visible
>>> pile
>>> but then the creeping growth of piles on desk gets overwhelming
>
> we do this too.
hate doing this
it's relatively new since meltdown
at least we don't remember doing this to this extent before
>>> well, a week isn't that long a time
>>>
>>> did manage to be in hyperfunctional mode all day at work the past 2 days
>>> that's good
>>> but now anxious and overwhelmed
>>> it doesn't go away, really
>
> :-(
oh well
>>> have another cold again
>>> think it's gonna be one of those years
>>> (and it's not even winter yet)
>>> get one cold after another
>>> or maybe it's allergies/asthma
>>> gets difficult to tell sometimes
>
> and it probably doesn't really matter in terms of how you feel. sick
> is sick :-(.
eh
take zinc
helps symptoms
comes back within day or two of stopping zinc
>>> just whining
>>> that's all
>>>
>>> (yeah, right)
>>
>> and more
>>
>> we're still not sleeping well
>> the eeg stuff helps some
>> but only for part of the week
>> we fall asleep but can't stay asleep to get enough
>> guess it's better to have some nights of reasonable sleep
>> than to have no nights of reasonable sleep
>
> i don't know how to fix sleep problems. we've always had them too. we
> take trazodone at night for depression and sleep aid. without it we
> probably wouldn't get more than a few fitful hours of sleep every
> night.
ack
>> this morning we woke up with reflux
>> had tried a month's worth of pills for it
>> that worked ok
>> but doc had only given a month
>> ran out a week or so ago
>> and now it's starting again
>> so was up at 4:30
>> sitting straight up
>> yuck
>> but c suggests trying otc prilosec
>> might as well see if that works
>
> reflux, ick. hope prilosec works. do you sleep slightly tilted from
> head to foot?
can't sleep tilted
wouldn't work
>> and speaking of eeg stuff
>> we don't really trust eeg tpist
>> regular tpist asked us whether she'd given us reason not to trust
>> said no in session
>> realized later that we were uncomfortable
>> because eeg tpist had given us a secret about her the first session
>> and we don't like having a secret
>> feels icky
>> not the particular secret
>> just the fact that we know it's a secret
>> she didn't tell us it was a secret
>> but we know it's a secret
>
> i'll trust your judgment on this. sometimes, though, things that seem
> like secrets to us aren't to other people.
is very definitely secret
>> we're still whining
>>
>> that's all
>>
>> although there's prolly more
>
> post away.
did
cometz
sorry for all of it. not whining. is all stuff to make stress. wish it
were better. not fake words to you just not many to say. we take
goldenseal in capsule for when the body starts getting sick. is herb.
works good.
it is thursday. one more day to weekend. maybe you can have an easy
weekend.
betsy, sort of
Emerging Butterfly
sorry is hard for you
wish could help
sounds like such an ongoing hard
from all directions
and yet you still give strength to others (like me)
impressive
when is so hard for you
anything we can say or do to help?
astri
> were better. not fake words to you just not many to say. we take
> goldenseal in capsule for when the body starts getting sick. is herb.
> works good.
thank you for wishes
> it is thursday. one more day to weekend. maybe you can have an easy
> weekend.
>
> betsy, sort of
prolly have to work on report on weekend
can't seem to get any work done today
astri
>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, the valerians wrote:
>>> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:10:00 -1000, astri <inv...@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> and we forgot some stuff to whine about
>>>> we'll put it below
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, astri wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> new neighbor crunched our car this afternoon
>>>>> not horribly, but visibly
>>>
>>> oh no. not another car problem.
>>
>> yeah
>> woke up at 4 this morning
>> didn't think would fall asleep again
>> but did doze off
>> and had messed up dream about getting car repair estimate
>> involving the aa being home again
>> and the whole cast of agency characters working with her
>> and us walking around topless because of forgetting to get fully dressed
>> and never actually getting the estimate done
>
heh
>>>>> he called his insurance company
>>>>> is taking responsibility
>>>>> but we don't need that to deal with
>>>
>>> no. it's very good that he's taking responsibility, but even so, it's
>>> you who will have to take the car to and from the repair place and
>>> deal with a rental in the meantime.
>>
>> yes, and we didn't ask if car rental was part of coverage
>> and we still need to get his name and name of his insurance company
>> and
>
> yuk. phone calls. we don't like them.
nope
don't
but we did find out that can get car rental
take to appraiser next week
they'll look at it and then cut us a check
then we go do what we want with it.
can call insurance agent to get rental for when we get car fixed
took to one place this morning
have an appointment to go to another tomorrow
and a third monday
is stressful
figured we'd stop at 3
>>>>> speaking of car, the egr valve still needs to be fixed
>>>>> haven't gotten around to calling shop to talk to them about it
>>>>> don't want to deal with that
>>>>>
>>>>> after neighbor crunched car
>>>>> and we talked to his insurance company
>>>>> we had to go pick up sir lala
>>>>> we were so discombobulated that we forgot to lock up the house
>>>>> oh well
>>>
>>> we've never forgotten to lock the house, but more than once we've left
>>> the keys in the door overnight.
>>
>> at least the door's not visible from the street
>> and the neighbors were home
>
> do you live in a high-risk area?
not particularly
>>>>> sir lala complained of headache on the way home
>>>>> wanted to lie down and get some cuddles when we got home
>>>>> no fever
>>>>> got up to go make him dinner and he came out to say he didn't want
>>>>> wouldn't take pain reliever
>>>>> suggested would return in 15 minutes and give to him if he wasn't
>>>>> better
>>>>> he fell asleep
>>>>> hope he's not sick
>>>
>>> i hope not too.
>>
>> he's fine this morning
>
> oh, good.
>
>> slept about 11 hours
>
> sometimes i can do that. i feel so refreshed afterward.
sometimes it's refreshing
sometimes sleeping too much just makes us exhausted and ucky
not that we've been able to do it recently
> why not?
have wedge
slide down
sleep on side and hips hurt
or neck/shoulders hurt
hate it
>> wouldn't work
>
> why not?
cuz can't sleep well with it
>>>> and speaking of eeg stuff
>>>> we don't really trust eeg tpist
>>>> regular tpist asked us whether she'd given us reason not to trust
>>>> said no in session
>>>> realized later that we were uncomfortable
>>>> because eeg tpist had given us a secret about her the first session
>>>> and we don't like having a secret
>>>> feels icky
>>>> not the particular secret
>>>> just the fact that we know it's a secret
>>>> she didn't tell us it was a secret
>>>> but we know it's a secret
>>>
>>> i'll trust your judgment on this. sometimes, though, things that seem
>>> like secrets to us aren't to other people.
>>
>> is very definitely secret
>
> ok. then she was way out of line telling you.
we don't like having secret
we have to discuss with regular tpist
got to be too much to have secret
wrote tpist and told her there's a secret
she said we can talk about it
we see her tomorrow
is just the fact of having secret
not the particular secret
we had to tell eeg tpist we're multiple
weren't planning to but things were getting wierd the first time
so we told her
and she immediately said she is too
but then what she asked us after told us she doesn't have different people
but we know this is a secret for her
because telling could affect her professional life
and we know she doesn't regularly tell people
but we don't like having secret
feels icky to have secret
got too many of our own secrets
>>>> we're still whining
>>>>
>>>> that's all
>>>>
>>>> although there's prolly more
>>>
>>> post away.
>>
>> did
>
> good.
we're having a panicky day today
astri
ty
> wish could help
this does
> sounds like such an ongoing hard
> from all directions
> and yet you still give strength to others (like me)
> impressive
> when is so hard for you
> anything we can say or do to help?
just answering and hearing is good
not looking for miracle fixes
wouldn't believe one if it happened
just needing attention
get it here in not scary way
(sometimes attention is scary)
astri
> you're doing very well.
*have* to do it right, even if hard
>>>>>>> speaking of car, the egr valve still needs to be fixed
>>>>>>> haven't gotten around to calling shop to talk to them about it
>>>>>>> don't want to deal with that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> after neighbor crunched car
>>>>>>> and we talked to his insurance company
>>>>>>> we had to go pick up sir lala
>>>>>>> we were so discombobulated that we forgot to lock up the house
>>>>>>> oh well
>>>>>
>>>>> we've never forgotten to lock the house, but more than once we've left
>>>>> the keys in the door overnight.
>>>>
>>>> at least the door's not visible from the street
>>>> and the neighbors were home
>>>
>>> do you live in a high-risk area?
>>
>> not particularly
>
> that's good. it's still anxiety-provoking to leave the house open
> though. years ago we lived in a calm suburban neighborhood. our
> next-door neighbor's house was broken into in broad daylight. the door
> was busted off the frame with a crowbar.
ack
>>>>>>> sir lala complained of headache on the way home
>>>>>>> wanted to lie down and get some cuddles when we got home
>>>>>>> no fever
>>>>>>> got up to go make him dinner and he came out to say he didn't want
>>>>>>> wouldn't take pain reliever
>>>>>>> suggested would return in 15 minutes and give to him if he wasn't
>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>> he fell asleep
>>>>>>> hope he's not sick
>>>>>
>>>>> i hope not too.
>>>>
>>>> he's fine this morning
>>>
>>> oh, good.
>>>
>>>> slept about 11 hours
>>>
>>> sometimes i can do that. i feel so refreshed afterward.
>>
>> sometimes it's refreshing
>> sometimes sleeping too much just makes us exhausted and ucky
>
> it can have that effect on me, but usually a long sleep like that
> comes after night upon night of poor sleep. it takes a long time to
> fully wake up, but when i do i feel better.
that's nice
>> not that we've been able to do it recently
>
> :-(
oh well
>>>>>>> haven't been able to open mail going on a week now
>>>>>>> or something like that
>>>>>>> get that way periodically
>>>>>>> and then just throw it on pile on desk
>>>>>>> do cursory check for bills and throw them on different, more visible
>>>>>>> pile
>>>>>>> but then the creeping growth of piles on desk gets overwhelming
did pile
paid bills
put in for reimbursement
cleared pile as much as possible
all in the service of avoiding what we actually need to do
:/
> i have small sections of 1x4s under the two legs at the head of my bed
> to give just a bit of a tilt. not for reflux problems but for sinus,
> but it helps for that. might something like that work for you?
would impact c too then
his feet already stick over bottom edge
and don't have kind of bed it would work on
have drawers under bed
have lots of excuses, huh?
>>>> wouldn't work
>>>
>>> why not?
>>
>> cuz can't sleep well with it
>
> yeah. kind of defeats the purpose of having it.
yeah
have to use it when have really bad cough and just *can't* lie flat
>>>>>> and speaking of eeg stuff
>>>>>> we don't really trust eeg tpist
>>>>>> regular tpist asked us whether she'd given us reason not to trust
>>>>>> said no in session
>>>>>> realized later that we were uncomfortable
>>>>>> because eeg tpist had given us a secret about her the first session
>>>>>> and we don't like having a secret
>>>>>> feels icky
>>>>>> not the particular secret
>>>>>> just the fact that we know it's a secret
>>>>>> she didn't tell us it was a secret
>>>>>> but we know it's a secret
>>>>>
>>>>> i'll trust your judgment on this. sometimes, though, things that seem
>>>>> like secrets to us aren't to other people.
>>>>
>>>> is very definitely secret
>>>
>>> ok. then she was way out of line telling you.
>>
>> we don't like having secret
>> we have to discuss with regular tpist
>> got to be too much to have secret
>> wrote tpist and told her there's a secret
>> she said we can talk about it
>> we see her tomorrow
>
> good.
we think we'll end up telling her the secret
we hope that doesn't hurt the eeg tpist
>> is just the fact of having secret
>> not the particular secret
>
> yes, i understand.
>
>> we had to tell eeg tpist we're multiple
>> weren't planning to but things were getting wierd the first time
>> so we told her
>> and she immediately said she is too
>
> ew. i definitely wouldn't want to hear that. it's inappropriate in all
> kinds of ways.
why do you think?
>> but then what she asked us after told us she doesn't have different
>> people
>
> ?
asked us if we were all the way split, or something
and then when we said yes she responded with some sort of sympathy
!!!
or something like that
>> but we know this is a secret for her
>> because telling could affect her professional life
>
> definitely
>
>> and we know she doesn't regularly tell people
>
> as she shouldn't have told you.
right after she told us she asked us if that made us uncomfortable
of course we had no clue how it made us feel
of course we had to tell her no not uncomfortable
>> but we don't like having secret
>> feels icky to have secret
>> got too many of our own secrets
>
> :-(
well
>>>>>> we're still whining
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that's all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> although there's prolly more
>>>>>
>>>>> post away.
>>>>
>>>> did
>>>
>>> good.
>>
>> we're having a panicky day today
>
> i'm sorry :-(. glad we can be here for you though.
thank you for that
put on our favorite music
hope it helps
Catkejan
> new neighbor crunched our car this afternoon
> not horribly, but visibly
> he called his insurance company
> is taking responsibility
> but we don't need that to deal with
>
> speaking of car, the egr valve still needs to be fixed
> haven't gotten around to calling shop to talk to them about it
> don't want to deal with that
>
> after neighbor crunched car
> and we talked to his insurance company
> we had to go pick up sir lala
> we were so discombobulated that we forgot to lock up the house
> oh well
I don't know when the last time we actually forgot to lock up was,
although I know of more than one time we have turned around and gone
back to check knowing intellectually that it was locked but not being
able to remember *for sure*.
We do leave keys in the door, though. We didn't for a few years, but
started again this year.
(Replying a little in the context of some things said downthread).
> sir lala complained of headache on the way home
> wanted to lie down and get some cuddles when we got home
> no fever
> got up to go make him dinner and he came out to say he didn't want
> wouldn't take pain reliever
> suggested would return in 15 minutes and give to him if he wasn't better
> he fell asleep
> hope he's not sick
>
> haven't been able to open mail going on a week now
> or something like that
> get that way periodically
> and then just throw it on pile on desk
> do cursory check for bills and throw them on different, more visible pile
> but then the creeping growth of piles on desk gets overwhelming
> well, a week isn't that long a time
>
> did manage to be in hyperfunctional mode all day at work the past 2 days
> that's good
> but now anxious and overwhelmed
> it doesn't go away, really
Sorry. I know what that's like.
> have another cold again
> think it's gonna be one of those years
> (and it's not even winter yet)
> get one cold after another
> or maybe it's allergies/asthma
> gets difficult to tell sometimes
>
> just whining
> that's all
>
> (yeah, right)
>
> -- astri
Can I have your cold? The b*dy has an on-going problem that is made
less p*inful by colds, so we would like to relieve you of it if it's
not too much bother.
jp
P.S. Sorry if this sounds too light-hearted.
astri
> astri <inv...@example.com> writes:
>
>> new neighbor crunched our car this afternoon
>> not horribly, but visibly
>> he called his insurance company
>> is taking responsibility
>> but we don't need that to deal with
>>
>> speaking of car, the egr valve still needs to be fixed
>> haven't gotten around to calling shop to talk to them about it
>> don't want to deal with that
>>
>> after neighbor crunched car
>> and we talked to his insurance company
>> we had to go pick up sir lala
>> we were so discombobulated that we forgot to lock up the house
>> oh well
>
> I don't know when the last time we actually forgot to lock up was,
> although I know of more than one time we have turned around and gone
> back to check knowing intellectually that it was locked but not being
> able to remember *for sure*.
we're usually pretty obsessive about it
> We do leave keys in the door, though. We didn't for a few years, but
> started again this year.
>
> (Replying a little in the context of some things said downthread).
uh huh
>> sir lala complained of headache on the way home
>> wanted to lie down and get some cuddles when we got home
>> no fever
>> got up to go make him dinner and he came out to say he didn't want
>> wouldn't take pain reliever
>> suggested would return in 15 minutes and give to him if he wasn't better
>> he fell asleep
>> hope he's not sick
>>
>> haven't been able to open mail going on a week now
>> or something like that
>> get that way periodically
>> and then just throw it on pile on desk
>> do cursory check for bills and throw them on different, more visible pile
>> but then the creeping growth of piles on desk gets overwhelming
>> well, a week isn't that long a time
>>
>> did manage to be in hyperfunctional mode all day at work the past 2 days
>> that's good
>> but now anxious and overwhelmed
>> it doesn't go away, really
>
> Sorry. I know what that's like.
it's blech
>> have another cold again
>> think it's gonna be one of those years
>> (and it's not even winter yet)
>> get one cold after another
>> or maybe it's allergies/asthma
>> gets difficult to tell sometimes
>>
>> just whining
>> that's all
>>
>> (yeah, right)
>>
>> -- astri
>
> Can I have your cold? The b*dy has an on-going problem that is made
> less p*inful by colds, so we would like to relieve you of it if it's
> not too much bother.
we'd love to give it away
if only we could
> jp
>
> P.S. Sorry if this sounds too light-hearted.
it's fine
light-hearted usually goes down well here
astri
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:31:04 -1000, astri <inv...@example.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, the valerians wrote:
>
>> have lots of excuses, huh?
>
> reasons :-).
heh
ok
> it shouldn't. stuff you tell your tpist is confidential, of course,
> and that's not the kind of thing she would be ethically bound to
> report to anyone. if your tpist refers people to her and your telling
> the secret would make her have second thoughts about that, it's up to
> her to separate the eeg tpist's professional abilities from her
> personal issues and decide whether she thinks she should stop
> referring people.
ok
> you get to tell your tpist. you don't have to take care of the eeg
> tpist.
of course we feel like we do
>>>> is just the fact of having secret
>>>> not the particular secret
>>>
>>> yes, i understand.
>>>
>>>> we had to tell eeg tpist we're multiple
>>>> weren't planning to but things were getting wierd the first time
>>>> so we told her
>>>> and she immediately said she is too
>>>
>>> ew. i definitely wouldn't want to hear that. it's inappropriate in all
>>> kinds of ways.
>>
>> why do you think?
>
> one, you're her client. your sessions are about you, not her.
>
> two, even if you weren't her client, it's too much information for a
> first meeting (or second or third).
>
> three, it implies a need on her part for a confidant or a buddy, or
> just for recognition as multiple, which places an unfair burden on
> you.
>
> four, it suggests an attempt to form a bond with you which you may not
> (and obviously don't) want or be ready for. see items 1, 2, and 3.
>
> five, it's a careless response to sensitive information you gave her.
> you *had* to tell her for a specific reason that had to do with your
> status as her client and what was happening in the session. ideally,
> she would have respected that by, say, offering reassurance or asking
> what would be the best way to proceed.
these are good reasons
>>>> but then what she asked us after told us she doesn't have different
>>>> people
>>>
>>> ?
>>
>> asked us if we were all the way split, or something
>> and then when we said yes she responded with some sort of sympathy
>> !!!
>> or something like that
>
> grr. >:-(
uh huh
>>>> but we know this is a secret for her
>>>> because telling could affect her professional life
>>>
>>> definitely
>>>
>>>> and we know she doesn't regularly tell people
>>>
>>> as she shouldn't have told you.
>>
>> right after she told us she asked us if that made us uncomfortable
>
> six. if she thought there was even a possibility that it would make
> you uncomfortable, she shouldn't have told you.
we think she told us impulsively
it was so quick
>> of course we had no clue how it made us feel
>
> of course not
>
>> of course we had to tell her no not uncomfortable
>
> of course
>
>>>> but we don't like having secret
>>>> feels icky to have secret
>>>> got too many of our own secrets
>>>
>>> :-(
>>
>> well
>>
>>>>>>>> we're still whining
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that's all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> although there's prolly more
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> post away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> did
>>>>>
>>>>> good.
>>>>
>>>> we're having a panicky day today
>>>
>>> i'm sorry :-(. glad we can be here for you though.
>>
>> thank you for that
>>
>> put on our favorite music
>> hope it helps
>
> we hope it does/did. what's your favorite music?
these are the things we've rated 5 stars on our ipod (to date). there'll be
more that end up there because we haven't gotten through listening to
everything we have yet and we're rating as we listen. (sorted by album)
R.E.M. Automatic for the People
Try Not To Breathe
R.E.M. Beat The Retreat (Songs by Richard Thompson)
Wall Of Death
Martyn Joseph Being There
Please Sir
Arlo Guthrie The Best Of Arlo Guthrie
Darkest Hour
Boingo Boingo
Insanity
The Carpenters
Sing
Gin Blossoms Congratulations I'm Sorry
Day Job
Highwire
Follow You Down
Not Only Numb
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astri
told tpist secret today
took half the session
she said having the secret seemed worse than the secret itself
(before we told her)
yes
we talked around it for a while
we said could affect eeg tpist's practice
she asked like if folks at work knew about us?
yes
she said she knows about several professionals with mh problems
like a psychiatrist with bipolar
we asked how she knew
she said because she treats some or some partners of folks
she said she doesn't do anything with the information
except if it seems like she might need to get consultation
because of a safety or competence issue
but usually she doesn't do anything with it
by the time we told her, she had already practically guessed it
or at least that it would be something similar
felt better telling her
she said we could leave the secret in her office if we wanted
bit of relief
but now things are getting all crazy at work
gah
never stops
astri
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:22:35 -1000, astri <inv...@example.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007, the valerians wrote:
>>
>>> you get to tell your tpist. you don't have to take care of the eeg
>>> tpist.
>>
>> of course we feel like we do
>
> theoretical solutions that are isolated from any real-world social or
> psychological context. put me out there in the middle of that context
> and you'll hear something very different from me. :-p
heh
understand
did tell tpist
don't have to obsess about having secret any more
didn't like having secret couldn't tell tpist
>>>> put on our favorite music
>>>> hope it helps
>>>
>>> we hope it does/did. what's your favorite music?
>>
>> these are the things we've rated 5 stars on our ipod (to date). there'll
>> be more that end up there because we haven't gotten through listening to
>> everything we have yet and we're rating as we listen. (sorted by album)
we're listening to the collection randomly
and there's *lots* of it
and c keeps adding more
(this is *not* a whine)
so that's why we're sure we'll be adding to this list
> ooh, ok, we're going to have to come back to this. probably do a list
> of our own. i like this.
>
> tess
oh, good
would be fun
astri
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:09:20 -1000, astri <inv...@example.com> wrote:
>>
>> told tpist secret today
>
> good
>
>> took half the session
>>
>> she said having the secret seemed worse than the secret itself
>> (before we told her)
>> yes
>>
>> we talked around it for a while
>> we said could affect eeg tpist's practice
>> she asked like if folks at work knew about us?
>> yes
>> she said she knows about several professionals with mh problems
>> like a psychiatrist with bipolar
>> we asked how she knew
>> she said because she treats some or some partners of folks
>> she said she doesn't do anything with the information
>
yes
>> except if it seems like she might need to get consultation
>> because of a safety or competence issue
>
> so is that
yes
>> but usually she doesn't do anything with it
>>
>> by the time we told her, she had already practically guessed it
>> or at least that it would be something similar
>
> i tell some things to tpist that way too. work my way all around the
> edges to the middle. is much easier that way. sort of an unintentional
> 20 questions.
makes it easier to say when it gets to it
>> felt better telling her
>
> whew
>
>> she said we could leave the secret in her office if we wanted
>> bit of relief
>>
>> but now things are getting all crazy at work
>> gah
>
> ack. anything you can or want to talk about?
people not following through on what they're supposed to do
so now we have sudden urgencies to deal with
blech
and so now we have to finish a report this weekend
so we can deal with the other stuff next week
>> never stops
>
> sorry :-(
>
> tess
oh, well
astri
>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007, the valerians wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:09:20 -1000, astri <inv...@example.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> but now things are getting all crazy at work
>>>> gah
>>>
>>> ack. anything you can or want to talk about?
>>
>> people not following through on what they're supposed to do
>
> that the person i report to has, so far, *always* done what she's said
> she was going to. the other ppl hardly ever did.
that's good
unfortunately, we have to rely on numerous (tens? hundreds? prolly
tens) people to do what they're supposed to
and some just won't
>> so now we have sudden urgencies to deal with
>> blech
>> and so now we have to finish a report this weekend
>> so we can deal with the other stuff next week
>
> yuk to all of the above. good luck with it all.
ty
Emerging Butterfly
okay
>
> > sounds like such an ongoing hard
> > from all directions
> > and yet you still give strength to others (like me)
> > impressive
> > when is so hard for you
> > anything we can say or do to help?
>
> just answering and hearing is good
> not looking for miracle fixes
> wouldn't believe one if it happened
ahh...then I'll try not to spring the miracle cure on you, if I find
it. K? :-)
> just needing attention
> get it here in not scary way
> (sometimes attention is scary)
yes.
>
> -- astri
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> >> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, the valerians wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, the valerians wrote:
what the h*ll???
> or something like that
for being multiple, she certainly doesn't seem to have great insight
on how to deal with it. ack!
>
> >> but we know this is a secret for her
> >> because telling could affect her professional life
>
> > definitely
>
> >> and we know she doesn't regularly tell people
>
> > as she shouldn't have told you.
>
> right after she told us she asked us if that made us uncomfortable
> of course we had no clue how it made us feel
> of course we had to tell her no not uncomfortable
Of course. She was asking the question for her, not for you. (I've
been guilty of asking yes/no questions like that too, when it's too
soon for the person to tell. I'm working on it. -- that need for
reassurance thing.)
>
> >> but we don't like having secret
> >> feels icky to have secret
> >> got too many of our own secrets
>
> > :-(
>
> well
>
> >>>>>> we're still whining
>
> >>>>>> that's all
>
> >>>>>> although there's prolly more
>
> >>>>> post away.
>
> >>>> did
>
> >>> good.
>
> >> we're having a panicky day today
>
> > i'm sorry :-(. glad we can be here for you though.
>
> thank you for that
>
> put on our favorite music
> hope it helps
>
> -- astri
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astri
hey! wait!
if you find it you have to share it!
if it's a miracle, it won't matter if we believe it or not.
>> just needing attention
>> get it here in not scary way
>> (sometimes attention is scary)
>
> yes.
:/
astri
>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, the valerians wrote:
>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:56:03 -1000, astri <inva...@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> we had to tell eeg tpist we're multiple
>>>> weren't planning to but things were getting wierd the first time
>>>> so we told her
>>>> and she immediately said she is too
>>
>>> ew. i definitely wouldn't want to hear that. it's inappropriate in
>>> all kinds of ways.
>>
>> why do you think?
>>
>>>> but then what she asked us after told us she doesn't have different
>>>> people
>>
>>> ?
>>
>> asked us if we were all the way split, or something
>> and then when we said yes she responded with some sort of sympathy
>> !!!
>
> what the h*ll???
yeah
>> or something like that
>
> for being multiple, she certainly doesn't seem to have great insight
> on how to deal with it. ack!
yeah
was icky
>>>> but we know this is a secret for her
>>>> because telling could affect her professional life
>>
>>> definitely
>>
>>>> and we know she doesn't regularly tell people
>>
>>> as she shouldn't have told you.
>>
>> right after she told us she asked us if that made us uncomfortable
>> of course we had no clue how it made us feel
>> of course we had to tell her no not uncomfortable
>
> Of course. She was asking the question for her, not for you. (I've
> been guilty of asking yes/no questions like that too, when it's too
> soon for the person to tell. I'm working on it. -- that need for
> reassurance thing.)
wasn't thinking of it as for her
you may be right
certainly we had to take care of her
Emerging Butterfly
Okay. I'll keep that in mind.
>
> >> just needing attention
> >> get it here in not scary way
> >> (sometimes attention is scary)
>
> > yes.
>
> :/
>
> -- astri
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