sigh
confused
vent :/
last night I realized he was going to have a seizure. I really can tell now.
figured it woud come during the night or this morning. has been 12 days
since last one which is progress but not really enough. this morning the
seizure came. I thought "well, that was pretty mild and it was 12 days so
maybe we are getting somewhere". finally got pup settled enough after the
seizure so i could grab my coffee. just pouring it when I realize he's in
the other room having another seizure. that close together is very bad. the
seizure was much worse too. pup is doing remarkably well given what he went
through. heading to the vet soon so we can add in another med. didn't want
to. don't like the possible side effects but we don't seem to be getting
anywhere. think someone (shay?) inside is freaking.
--
"wolfie" of confused
astri
> I'm sure you're all tired of our posts about the pup. sorry. guess I
> need to vent :/
not tired of them
hope new med helps enough and not too bad side effects :(
-- astri
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confused
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, confused wrote:
>
>> I'm sure you're all tired of our posts about the pup. sorry. guess I
>> need to vent :/
>
> not tired of them
k
>
>> last night I realized he was going to have a seizure. I really can
>> tell now. figured it woud come during the night or this morning. has
>> been 12 days since last one which is progress but not really enough.
>> this morning the seizure came. I thought "well, that was pretty mild
>> and it was 12 days so maybe we are getting somewhere". finally got
>> pup settled enough after the seizure so i could grab my coffee. just
>> pouring it when I realize he's in the other room having another
>> seizure. that close together is very bad. the seizure was much worse
>> too. pup is doing remarkably well given what he went through. heading
>> to the vet soon so we can add in another med. didn't want to. don't
>> like the possible side effects but we don't seem to be getting
>> anywhere. think someone (shay?) inside is freaking.
>> --
>> "wolfie" of confused
>
> hope new med helps enough and not too bad side effects :(
>
thanks
we are back from vet. we like the vet. we took in a list of every seizure
pup has had, how long in between, etc. was a depressing list. vet looked at
it and said "too many seizures!". so she agreed we need to put him on
Phenobarbital. she says she really doesn't like putting dogs pups age on
that med because of side effects. both her and I feel like there is no
choice. she said the volume of seizures he's having now, especially with
clusters is "damaging". <sigh>
so we are starting him on very very low dose. first pill tonight. is lower
then you typically start but since he's on the other med she wanted to start
there and I agreed. she hopes that his seizures are caused by head trauma.
she says that means it should get better over time. she says when things
have been going well for a while she really hopes we can lower the
phenobarb. she says even sooner we may be able to adjust his current med,
since we've added the phenobarb. she says for the next 4 or 5 days it's
going to seem like pup is drunk. confused, wobbly, tired, etc. :( then it
should wear off. is a very sedating med. she says it's going to make him
very hungry and thirsty and we should try not to feed him extra because
weight gain is a problem.
then she got down on floor and played with pup. she really likes him. she
gave him some cuddles and talked about how great he is and laughed as he
tried to lick her face. pup had 2 seizures in a row which is just incredibly
hard on the body and brain. I'm just stunned over how well he is doing :)
vet is impressed too. vet has a lot of hope for him. we need that right now.
other folks in the office check in on him to see how he was doing. everyone
there likes him. they even let me leave without paying. they are going to
let me call with a credit card number once it comes in mail (long story).
big relief.
oh, and he is still growing. he now weighs 84lbs.
k, pup naps. old cat wants cuddles. I go cuddle with old cat and maybe nap
too. later I be here. later i try to send email to t.
--
"wolfie" of confused
confused
pup is sick. don't want pup to be sick. want pup to get better. don't want
pup to d*e. medicine is gonna make pup different. medicine maybe will make
pup die. why can't pup be ok. we want pup to be ok. isn't fair. pup has to
be ok. please please please make pup be ok. old dog d*ed. fat cat d*ed. old
cat is sick and she gonna d*e. maye pup is gonna go away too. everybvody
gonna d*e and leave us and wolfie won't want to be alive anymore and why
can't we make pup not be sick. pup has to be ok :( :( :( :( :( :(
--
Little Girl of confused
astri
hope it works then
> so we are starting him on very very low dose. first pill tonight. is
> lower then you typically start but since he's on the other med she
> wanted to start there and I agreed. she hopes that his seizures are
> caused by head trauma. she says that means it should get better over
> time. she says when things have been going well for a while she
> really hopes we can lower the phenobarb. she says even sooner we may
> be able to adjust his current med, since we've added the phenobarb.
> she says for the next 4 or 5 days it's going to seem like pup is
> drunk. confused, wobbly, tired, etc. :( then it should wear off. is a
> very sedating med. she says it's going to make him very hungry and
> thirsty and we should try not to feed him extra because weight gain
> is a problem.
>
> then she got down on floor and played with pup. she really likes him.
> she gave him some cuddles and talked about how great he is and
> laughed as he tried to lick her face. pup had 2 seizures in a row
> which is just incredibly hard on the body and brain. I'm just stunned
> over how well he is doing :) vet is impressed too. vet has a lot of
> hope for him. we need that right now. other folks in the office check
> in on him to see how he was doing. everyone there likes him. they
> even let me leave without paying. they are going to let me call with
> a credit card number once it comes in mail (long story). big relief.
is nice you have good vet
we've noticed vets tend to be really nice
much nicer in general than people docs
> oh, and he is still growing. he now weighs 84lbs.
>
> k, pup naps. old cat wants cuddles. I go cuddle with old cat and
> maybe nap too. later I be here. later i try to send email to t.
> --
> "wolfie" of confused
ok
we're off to work in a few minutes
(late starting this morning)
-- astri
astri
isn't fair
regrets pup sick
really hope pup gets better
confused
thanks
>
>> so we are starting him on very very low dose. first pill tonight. is
>> lower then you typically start but since he's on the other med she
>> wanted to start there and I agreed. she hopes that his seizures are
>> caused by head trauma. she says that means it should get better over
>> time. she says when things have been going well for a while she
>> really hopes we can lower the phenobarb. she says even sooner we may
>> be able to adjust his current med, since we've added the phenobarb.
>> she says for the next 4 or 5 days it's going to seem like pup is
>> drunk. confused, wobbly, tired, etc. :( then it should wear off. is a
>> very sedating med. she says it's going to make him very hungry and
>> thirsty and we should try not to feed him extra because weight gain
>> is a problem.
>>
>> then she got down on floor and played with pup. she really likes him.
>> she gave him some cuddles and talked about how great he is and
>> laughed as he tried to lick her face. pup had 2 seizures in a row
>> which is just incredibly hard on the body and brain. I'm just stunned
>> over how well he is doing :) vet is impressed too. vet has a lot of
>> hope for him. we need that right now. other folks in the office check
>> in on him to see how he was doing. everyone there likes him. they
>> even let me leave without paying. they are going to let me call with
>> a credit card number once it comes in mail (long story). big relief.
>
> is nice you have good vet
> we've noticed vets tend to be really nice
> much nicer in general than people docs
yeah. lots of nice vets. we do like this vet much more then other vet
>
>> oh, and he is still growing. he now weighs 84lbs.
>>
>> k, pup naps. old cat wants cuddles. I go cuddle with old cat and
>> maybe nap too. later I be here. later i try to send email to t.
>> --
>> "wolfie" of confused
>
> ok
>
> we're off to work in a few minutes
> (late starting this morning)
>
hard morning?
and you have t today
Puddles
Oh no. How is pup today? Is he feeling any better?
--
Puddles
(I rant, therefore I am)
Puddles
I like your vet. Wow 84 pounds???? Big Pup! Pheno is a good drug to
use and it works. Maybe pup will do better with this one. He will prolly
sleep a lot for the first few days until he gets use to it.
What head injury?
confused
> What head injury?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.dissociation/browse_thread/thread
/be3928884941ca6a/d734dafa2f71b7d1?lnk=gst&q=pup+stick+eye#d734dafa2f71b7d1
Puddles
Oh ya. I remember all about that. The vet thinks this is all caused by that?
confused
shay is taking it very hard but pup is doing well. he played quite
energetically with some other dogs. last time he had a cluster of seizures
he took a couple days to recover. we are just delighted and amazed at him
today. he is almost normal.
we gave him his first dose of new meds tonight.
--
"wolfie" of confused
confused
yes... I'm not convinced. don't think he got hit hard enough. the only way
to know for sure it to go to neurologist and get tests and it would be very
expensive. still maybe wouldn't know for sure. wouldn't change treatment at
all so doesn't seem worth it.
--
"wolfie" of confused
astri
so you changed recently?
>> we're off to work in a few minutes
>> (late starting this morning)
>>
> hard morning?
kind of
> and you have t today
yeah :/
Baba Yaga
alt.support.dissociation:
[...]
>pup is sick. don't want pup to be sick. want pup to get better. don't want
>pup to d*e. medicine is gonna make pup different. medicine maybe will make
>pup die. why can't pup be ok. we want pup to be ok. isn't fair. pup has to
>be ok. please please please make pup be ok. old dog d*ed. fat cat d*ed. old
>cat is sick and she gonna d*e. maye pup is gonna go away too. everybvody
>gonna d*e and leave us and wolfie won't want to be alive anymore and why
>can't we make pup not be sick. pup has to be ok :( :( :( :( :( :(
we hope pup gets better, too.
it isn't fair.
Baba Yaga
--
If it's my lot to spend my life swimming upstream in treacle then
goddamn it I'll be the best treacle swimmer there is, and learn to
find things about it to enjoy!
- The Autiste formerly known as Genyin
confused
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, confused wrote:
>
>> pup is sick. don't want pup to be sick. want pup to get better. don't
>> want pup to d*e. medicine is gonna make pup different. medicine maybe
>> will make pup die. why can't pup be ok. we want pup to be ok. isn't
>> fair. pup has to be ok. please please please make pup be ok. old dog
>> d*ed. fat cat d*ed. old cat is sick and she gonna d*e. maye pup is
>> gonna go away too. everybvody gonna d*e and leave us and wolfie won't
>> want to be alive anymore and why can't we make pup not be sick. pup
>> has to be ok :( :( :( :( :( :(
>> --
>> Little Girl of confused
>
> isn't fair
>
> regrets pup sick
> really hope pup gets better
>
confused
> "confused" <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote, in
> alt.support.dissociation:
>
> [...]
>> pup is sick. don't want pup to be sick. want pup to get better.
>> don't want pup to d*e. medicine is gonna make pup different.
>> medicine maybe will make pup die. why can't pup be ok. we want pup
>> to be ok. isn't fair. pup has to be ok. please please please make
>> pup be ok. old dog d*ed. fat cat d*ed. old cat is sick and she gonna
>> d*e. maye pup is gonna go away too. everybvody gonna d*e and leave
>> us and wolfie won't want to be alive anymore and why can't we make
>> pup not be sick. pup has to be ok :( :( :( :( :( :(
>
> we hope pup gets better, too.
>
anymore. maybe pup wont wanna play anymore.
> it isn't fair.
>
pup is a good pup and he's little and he never hurt anybody. how come he's
sick. how come we can't make him better.
confused
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, confused wrote:
>> astri wrote:
>>>
>>> is nice you have good vet
>>> we've noticed vets tend to be really nice
>>> much nicer in general than people docs
>>
>> yeah. lots of nice vets. we do like this vet much more then other vet
>
> so you changed recently?
umm... sometime this summer
>
>>> we're off to work in a few minutes
>>> (late starting this morning)
>>>
>> hard morning?
>
> kind of
>
<sigh>
>> and you have t today
>
> yeah :/
>
hard session?
--
"wolfie" of confused
astri
yes
hope the new medicine helps the way it's supposed to and doesn't do bad
things
astri
>> "confused" <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote, in
>> alt.support.dissociation:
>>
>> [...]
>>> pup is sick. don't want pup to be sick. want pup to get better.
>>> don't want pup to d*e. medicine is gonna make pup different.
>>> medicine maybe will make pup die. why can't pup be ok. we want pup
>>> to be ok. isn't fair. pup has to be ok. please please please make
>>> pup be ok. old dog d*ed. fat cat d*ed. old cat is sick and she
>>> gonna d*e. maye pup is gonna go away too. everybvody gonna d*e and
>>> leave us and wolfie won't want to be alive anymore and why can't we
>>> make pup not be sick. pup has to be ok :( :( :( :( :( :(
>>
>> we hope pup gets better, too.
>>
> pup took all his medicne. maybe pup iwll be different and he won't
> like us anymore. maybe pup wont wanna play anymore.
we think he'll still like you
>> it isn't fair.
>>
> pup is a good pup and he's little and he never hurt anybody. how come
> he's sick. how come we can't make him better.
>
> :(
> --
> Little Girl of confused
you're trying to make him better with the medicine. sometimes people
and animals just get sick and there is no reason. :(
astri
> astri wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, confused wrote:
>>> astri wrote:
>>>>
>>>> is nice you have good vet
>>>> we've noticed vets tend to be really nice
>>>> much nicer in general than people docs
>>>
>>> yeah. lots of nice vets. we do like this vet much more then other
>>> vet
>>
>> so you changed recently?
>
> umm... sometime this summer
ok
just remember you talking about it
>>>> we're off to work in a few minutes
>>>> (late starting this morning)
>>>>
>>> hard morning?
>>
>> kind of
>>
> <sigh>
happens
>>> and you have t today
>>
>> yeah :/
>>
> hard session?
> --
> "wolfie" of confused
dunno if hard is right term
think we posted about switching with little one?
gathring
> I'm sure you're all tired of our posts about the pup. sorry. guess I need to
> vent :/
is ok to vent here, really
is good you are being able to tell. regrets that he had two. regrets
that this is so hard on yous and pup
--
“There are two major products that came out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX.
We don't believe this to be a coincidence.” -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Puddles
how is pup reacting to meds?
Puddles
Do you have any hx on pup? About his parents, was he ok when he was
born? Could anything have happened to him before you blessed his life?
Puddles
maybe pup thinks the same about yous when yous are sick.
confused
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, confused wrote:
>> astri wrote:
>>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, confused wrote:
>>>> astri wrote:
>>>>>
>
>>>>> we're off to work in a few minutes
>>>>> (late starting this morning)
>>>>>
>>>> hard morning?
>>>
>>> kind of
>>>
>> <sigh>
>
> happens
>
umhmm
is ok to accknowledge that it's hard
>>>> and you have t today
>>>
>>> yeah :/
>>>
>> hard session?
>> --
>> "wolfie" of confused
>
> dunno if hard is right term
> think we posted about switching with little one?
>
yes. you haven't said as much about the dislocation lately.
--
"wolfie" of confused
confused
> confused wrote:
>> I'm sure you're all tired of our posts about the pup. sorry. guess I
>> need to vent :/
>
> is ok to vent here, really
I vent too much?
>
>> last night I realized he was going to have a seizure. I really can
>> tell now. figured it woud come during the night or this morning. has
>> been 12 days since last one which is progress but not really enough.
>> this morning the seizure came. I thought "well, that was pretty mild
>> and it was 12 days so maybe we are getting somewhere". finally got
>> pup settled enough after the seizure so i could grab my coffee. just
>> pouring it when I realize he's in the other room having another
>> seizure. that close together is very bad. the seizure was much worse
>> too. pup is doing remarkably well given what he went through.
>> heading to the vet soon so we can add in another med. didn't want
>> to. don't like the possible side effects but we don't seem to be
>> getting anywhere. think someone (shay?) inside is freaking. --
>> "wolfie" of confused
>
> is good you are being able to tell. regrets that he had two. regrets
> that this is so hard on yous and pup
thank you. we will get through. is like what we were talking about in
another post, wish things were better *now*.
--
"wolfie" of confused
confused
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, confused wrote:
>> astri wrote:
>>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, confused wrote:
>>>
>>>> pup is sick. don't want pup to be sick. want pup to get better.
>>>> don't want pup to d*e. medicine is gonna make pup different.
>>>> medicine maybe will make pup die. why can't pup be ok. we want pup
>>>> to be ok. isn't fair. pup has to be ok. please please please make
>>>> pup be ok. old dog d*ed. fat cat d*ed. old cat is sick and she
>>>> gonna d*e. maye pup is gonna go away too. everybvody gonna d*e and
>>>> leave us and wolfie won't want to be alive anymore and why can't we
>>>> make pup not be sick. pup has to be ok :( :( :( :( :( :(
>>>> --
>>>> Little Girl of confused
>>>
>>> isn't fair
>>>
>>> regrets pup sick
>>> really hope pup gets better
>>>
>> pup is getting new medicine now. I'm scared astri. :(
>> --
>> Little Girl of confused
>
> yes
>
> hope the new medicine helps the way it's supposed to and doesn't do
> bad things
>
--
Im Shay nd i can tipe bi mislf
Little Girl of confused
confused
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, confused wrote:
>> Baba Yaga wrote:
>>> "confused" <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote, in
>>> alt.support.dissociation:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>> pup is sick. don't want pup to be sick. want pup to get better.
>>>> don't want pup to d*e. medicine is gonna make pup different.
>>>> medicine maybe will make pup die. why can't pup be ok. we want pup
>>>> to be ok. isn't fair. pup has to be ok. please please please make
>>>> pup be ok. old dog d*ed. fat cat d*ed. old cat is sick and she
>>>> gonna d*e. maye pup is gonna go away too. everybvody gonna d*e and
>>>> leave us and wolfie won't want to be alive anymore and why can't we
>>>> make pup not be sick. pup has to be ok :( :( :( :( :( :(
>>>
>>> we hope pup gets better, too.
>>>
>> pup took all his medicne. maybe pup iwll be different and he won't
>> like us anymore. maybe pup wont wanna play anymore.
>
> we think he'll still like you
k
>
>>> it isn't fair.
>>>
>> pup is a good pup and he's little and he never hurt anybody. how come
>> he's sick. how come we can't make him better.
>>
>> :(
>> --
>> Little Girl of confused
>
> you're trying to make him better with the medicine. sometimes people
> and animals just get sick and there is no reason. :(
>
k :(
astri
> astri wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, confused wrote:
>>> astri wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, confused wrote:
>>>>> astri wrote:
>>>>>>
>
>>
>>>>>> we're off to work in a few minutes
>>>>>> (late starting this morning)
>>>>>>
>>>>> hard morning?
>>>>
>>>> kind of
>>>>
>>> <sigh>
>>
>> happens
>>
> umhmm
> is ok to accknowledge that it's hard
:P
>>>>> and you have t today
>>>>
>>>> yeah :/
>>>>
>>> hard session?
>>> --
>>> "wolfie" of confused
>>
>> dunno if hard is right term
>> think we posted about switching with little one?
>>
> yes. you haven't said as much about the dislocation lately.
> --
> "wolfie" of confused
ok
astri
> I vent too much?
> --
> "wolfie" of confused
no
astri
ok
confused
ok. in my handbook on the wonder pup it says "meds that typically make dogs
lethargic will make pup restless and anxious". seems the handbook is true.
he's doing better then I expected but has been a bit whiney and out of
sorts. not bad though.
--
"wolfie" of confused
astri
> ok. in my handbook on the wonder pup it says "meds that typically
> make dogs lethargic will make pup restless and anxious". seems the
> handbook is true. he's doing better then I expected but has been a
> bit whiney and out of sorts. not bad though.
is maybe a good sign?
confused
> confused wrote:
>> Puddles wrote:
>>>> Puddles wrote:
>>>>> I like your vet. Wow 84 pounds???? Big Pup! Pheno is a good drug
>>>>> to use and it works. Maybe pup will do better with this one. He
>>>>> will prolly sleep a lot for the first few days until he gets use
>>>>> to it.
>>>>>
>>>> k
>>>>
>>>>> What head injury?
>>>>
>>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.dissociation/browse_thread/thread
>>
/be3928884941ca6a/d734dafa2f71b7d1?lnk=gst&q=pup+stick+eye#d734dafa2f71b7d1
>>>>
>>> Oh ya. I remember all about that. The vet thinks this is all caused
>>> by that?
>>
>> yes... I'm not convinced. don't think he got hit hard enough. the
>> only way to know for sure it to go to neurologist and get tests and
>> it would be very expensive. still maybe wouldn't know for sure.
>> wouldn't change treatment at all so doesn't seem worth it.
>> --
>> "wolfie" of confused
>>
>>
>
> Do you have any hx on pup? About his parents, was he ok when he was
> born? Could anything have happened to him before you blessed his life?
pup's history: mamma was abandonned in an orchard in the rural part of our
state while heavily pregnant. she was a big, black fuzzy dog and was taken
in by rescue group. pups were born healthy on 7/11. pups and mom got moved
to a rescue group that deals with pups. given their shots and think they
were well cared for. then I took pup home :) pup got all his shots and
neutered and such
pup got whopped by the stick when he was about 9 1/2 months. was scary and I
was worried about his eye, but he showed no signs of concussion. at about 10
1/2 months he had a hot spot (skin infection that requires anti-b). poor pup
wasn't long off meds for eye injury and he went on meds for the hot spot. he
also got a steroid shot. he had his first seizure while on the anti-b. the
vet said the anti-b shouldn't have caused the seizure. she said *maybe* the
anti-b, plus the steroid shot triggered it but there had to be underlying
cause. she said his age was about right for epilepsy to develope (hmm...
should ask the new vet about this) he was tested and nothing was found so
she said "idiopathic epilepsy". that means no known cause. she didn't seem
interested in the earlier injury or all that concerned about the seizure.
then 23 days later his next seizure came and then another seizure 6 days
later and the roller coster began. I emailed the rescue group and told them
about pup. said I was happy with pup and would take care of him, but though
she should know in case any other dogs in the litter had problems. she never
replied. that was disappointing
heh, are you sorry you asked now :P
--
"wolfie" of confused
confused
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, confused wrote:
>
>> I vent too much?
>> --
>> "wolfie" of confused
>
> no
>
confused
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, wolfie of confused wrote:
>
>> ok. in my handbook on the wonder pup it says "meds that typically
>> make dogs lethargic will make pup restless and anxious". seems the
>> handbook is true. he's doing better then I expected but has been a
>> bit whiney and out of sorts. not bad though.
>
> is maybe a good sign?
>
--
"wolfie" of confused
astri
> astri wrote:
>>
>>> I vent too much?
>>
>>
> :P
:/
astri
good
gathring
> gathring wrote:
>> confused wrote:
>>> I'm sure you're all tired of our posts about the pup. sorry. guess I
>>> need to vent :/
>> is ok to vent here, really
>
> I vent too much?
nope nu unm no way
>>> last night I realized he was going to have a seizure. I really can
>>> tell now. figured it woud come during the night or this morning. has
>>> been 12 days since last one which is progress but not really enough.
>>> this morning the seizure came. I thought "well, that was pretty mild
>>> and it was 12 days so maybe we are getting somewhere". finally got
>>> pup settled enough after the seizure so i could grab my coffee. just
>>> pouring it when I realize he's in the other room having another
>>> seizure. that close together is very bad. the seizure was much worse
>>> too. pup is doing remarkably well given what he went through.
>>> heading to the vet soon so we can add in another med. didn't want
>>> to. don't like the possible side effects but we don't seem to be
>>> getting anywhere. think someone (shay?) inside is freaking. --
>>> "wolfie" of confused
>> is good you are being able to tell. regrets that he had two. regrets
>> that this is so hard on yous and pup
>
> thank you. we will get through. is like what we were talking about in
> another post, wish things were better *now*.
> --
> "wolfie" of confused
us too!
jill
Hi Shay! Yes, you can type by yourself. You are good at it!
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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we are becoming white light.
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jill
confused <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>gathring wrote:
>> confused wrote:
>>> I'm sure you're all tired of our posts about the pup. sorry. guess I
>>> need to vent :/
>>
>> is ok to vent here, really
>
>I vent too much?
Define too much? More than 100 posts a day? More than 90% of daily
posts are vents? And, hey, who the heck said there was an RDA on
vents anyway? I think that was on page 471 and my guinea pigs ate
that page.
Rainbow Colors (Jill, no longer not studying for the test cause I
already did study! :)
>>> last night I realized he was going to have a seizure. I really can
>>> tell now. figured it woud come during the night or this morning. has
>>> been 12 days since last one which is progress but not really enough.
>>> this morning the seizure came. I thought "well, that was pretty mild
>>> and it was 12 days so maybe we are getting somewhere". finally got
>>> pup settled enough after the seizure so i could grab my coffee. just
>>> pouring it when I realize he's in the other room having another
>>> seizure. that close together is very bad. the seizure was much worse
>>> too. pup is doing remarkably well given what he went through.
>>> heading to the vet soon so we can add in another med. didn't want
>>> to. don't like the possible side effects but we don't seem to be
>>> getting anywhere. think someone (shay?) inside is freaking. --
>>> "wolfie" of confused
>>
>> is good you are being able to tell. regrets that he had two. regrets
>> that this is so hard on yous and pup
>
>thank you. we will get through. is like what we were talking about in
>another post, wish things were better *now*.
>--
>"wolfie" of confused
>
>
Wolfie of Confused
> confused wrote:
>> gathring wrote:
>>> confused wrote:
>>>> I'm sure you're all tired of our posts about the pup. sorry. guess I
>>>> need to vent :/
>>> is ok to vent here, really
>>
>> I vent too much?
>
> nope nu unm no way
>
>>>> last night I realized he was going to have a seizure. I really can
>>>> tell now. figured it woud come during the night or this morning. has
>>>> been 12 days since last one which is progress but not really enough.
>>>> this morning the seizure came. I thought "well, that was pretty mild
>>>> and it was 12 days so maybe we are getting somewhere". finally got
>>>> pup settled enough after the seizure so i could grab my coffee. just
>>>> pouring it when I realize he's in the other room having another
>>>> seizure. that close together is very bad. the seizure was much worse
>>>> too. pup is doing remarkably well given what he went through.
>>>> heading to the vet soon so we can add in another med. didn't want
>>>> to. don't like the possible side effects but we don't seem to be
>>>> getting anywhere. think someone (shay?) inside is freaking. --
>>>> "wolfie" of confused
>>> is good you are being able to tell. regrets that he had two. regrets
>>> that this is so hard on yous and pup
>>
>> thank you. we will get through. is like what we were talking about in
>> another post, wish things were better *now*.
>> --
>> "wolfie" of confused
>
> us too!
>
<sigh>
he's having a harder time today. he's really whiney and restless. And I
have no energy to be of much help. poor guy
astri
[about pup]
> <sigh>
>
> he's having a harder time today. he's really whiney and restless. And
> I have no energy to be of much help. poor guy
:(
confused
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Wolfie of Confused wrote:
>
> [about pup]
>> <sigh>
>>
>> he's having a harder time today. he's really whiney and restless. And
>> I have no energy to be of much help. poor guy
>
> :(
>
would find another dog to play with.
<tangent>
they finally put up signs and rules for the dog park part
rule #1 "Dogs only". We thought that was fun
</tangent>
umm... no dogs in dog part. is hard because is lots of trails and rural
areas here, so not many people feel need to bring dog to dog park and
it's new so not many people know.
so we walked to the river. we heard an elk bugle. don't worry, wasn't in
the dog park part. dogs only! pup swam. pup played and was happy. when
we got back to dog park there was a couple with 3 dogs. pup made friends
with one of the dogs and they played and played. pup is wobbly on his
feet but was very happy and could run and play so that was good
pup just finished a session of intense whining. he jumped into our lap
(well the upper part of him), even though we were in a chair and he's
not allowed. didn't get mad, we just held him and talked to him for a
minute. don't really know what he wants. don't think he knows either.
think the meds make him anxious. am hoping that the trip will keep him
distracted and that he'll get lots of play time on the beach.
now he's sleeping
astri
> we scrounged up the energy and drove to the park. we were hoping pup
> would find another dog to play with.
>
> <tangent>
> they finally put up signs and rules for the dog park part
> rule #1 "Dogs only". We thought that was fun
> </tangent>
heh
> umm... no dogs in dog part. is hard because is lots of trails and
> rural areas here, so not many people feel need to bring dog to dog
> park and it's new so not many people know.
:P
> so we walked to the river. we heard an elk bugle. don't worry, wasn't
> in the dog park part. dogs only! pup swam. pup played and was happy.
> when we got back to dog park there was a couple with 3 dogs. pup made
> friends with one of the dogs and they played and played. pup is
> wobbly on his feet but was very happy and could run and play so that
> was good
good
> pup just finished a session of intense whining. he jumped into our
> lap (well the upper part of him), even though we were in a chair and
> he's not allowed. didn't get mad, we just held him and talked to him
> for a minute. don't really know what he wants. don't think he knows
like a little kid
> either. think the meds make him anxious. am hoping that the trip will
> keep him distracted and that he'll get lots of play time on the
> beach.
hope so
> now he's sleeping
k
gathring
> gathring wrote:
>> confused wrote:
>>> gathring wrote:
>>>> confused wrote:
>>>>> I'm sure you're all tired of our posts about the pup. sorry. guess I
>>>>> need to vent :/
>>>> is ok to vent here, really
>>>
>>> I vent too much?
>>
>> nope nu unm no way
>>
> hey, that's my line!
nope, can't have it, its mine.
>>>>> last night I realized he was going to have a seizure. I really can
>>>>> tell now. figured it woud come during the night or this morning. has
>>>>> been 12 days since last one which is progress but not really enough.
>>>>> this morning the seizure came. I thought "well, that was pretty mild
>>>>> and it was 12 days so maybe we are getting somewhere". finally got
>>>>> pup settled enough after the seizure so i could grab my coffee. just
>>>>> pouring it when I realize he's in the other room having another
>>>>> seizure. that close together is very bad. the seizure was much worse
>>>>> too. pup is doing remarkably well given what he went through.
>>>>> heading to the vet soon so we can add in another med. didn't want
>>>>> to. don't like the possible side effects but we don't seem to be
>>>>> getting anywhere. think someone (shay?) inside is freaking. --
>>>>> "wolfie" of confused
>>>> is good you are being able to tell. regrets that he had two. regrets
>>>> that this is so hard on yous and pup
>>>
>>> thank you. we will get through. is like what we were talking about in
>>> another post, wish things were better *now*.
>>> --
>>> "wolfie" of confused
>>
>> us too!
>>
> <sigh>
>
> he's having a harder time today. he's really whiney and restless. And I
> have no energy to be of much help. poor guy
its tough to be trying to take care of someone else when you don't feel
well yourself. sigh. wish you both felt better.
Juniper
"confused" <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm sure you're all tired of our posts about the pup. sorry. guess I need to
> vent :/
>
> last night I realized he was going to have a seizure. I really can tell now.
> figured it woud come during the night or this morning. has been 12 days
> since last one which is progress but not really enough. this morning the
> seizure came. I thought "well, that was pretty mild and it was 12 days so
> maybe we are getting somewhere". finally got pup settled enough after the
> seizure so i could grab my coffee. just pouring it when I realize he's in
> the other room having another seizure. that close together is very bad. the
> seizure was much worse too. pup is doing remarkably well given what he went
> through. heading to the vet soon so we can add in another med. didn't want
> to. don't like the possible side effects but we don't seem to be getting
> anywhere. think someone (shay?) inside is freaking.
> --
> "wolfie" of confused
Poor pup! You're doing such a good job of taking care of him. When you
write about his playing with you I can tell how much he feels your love
and is responding to that. I suspect life would be so hard for him if
you weren't there giving him love and letting him have pure pup times
when he isn't seizing.
Juniper
Juniper
> > is ok to vent here, really
>
> I vent too much?
I don't think so.
Juniper
Juniper
"confused" <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I emailed the rescue group and told them
> about pup. said I was happy with pup and would take care of him, but though
> she should know in case any other dogs in the litter had problems. she never
> replied. that was disappointing
I wonder if you tried again to contact her and make sure she knows
you're just looking for information, that knowing what the status of his
litter mates is might help in his treatment, might help. Pull on her
"help the dog" strings and alleviate her "they're gonna get us in
trouble" fears?
Juniper
confused
> Wolfie of Confused wrote:
>> gathring wrote:
>>> confused wrote:
>>>> gathring wrote:
>>>>> confused wrote:
>>>>>> I'm sure you're all tired of our posts about the pup. sorry. guess I
>>>>>> need to vent :/
>>>>> is ok to vent here, really
>>>>
>>>> I vent too much?
>>>
>>> nope nu unm no way
>>>
>> hey, that's my line!
>
> nope, can't have it, its mine.
:O but but...
nu unh!
and don't forget, I'm fierce
ja. we are now also taking care of the neighbor pets.
confused
struggling. He was really anxious for several days. That's settled down
but now he has ataxia. he's really uncoordinated and weak in his back
legs. he falls over sometime. :(
confused
Baba Yaga
alt.support.dissociation:
[....]
>pup took all his medicne. maybe pup iwll be different and he won't like us
>anymore. maybe pup wont wanna play anymore.
He'll still like you. For absolutely certain.
And he'll prolly still want to play.
>> it isn't fair.
>>
>pup is a good pup and he's little and he never hurt anybody. how come he's
>sick. how come we can't make him better.
Sometimes people (human people and animal people) just get sick, and
no-one really knows why. Bodies are very complicated, so sometimes
they go wrong a bit. Can't always make people better. 8-(
> :(
Is sad.
Baba Yaga
--
can't find geysers if you spend all your time wallowing in mudpits, ya
know?
- gathring
gathring
> gathring wrote:
>> Wolfie of Confused wrote:
>>> gathring wrote:
>>>> confused wrote:
>>>>> gathring wrote:
>>>>>> confused wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm sure you're all tired of our posts about the pup. sorry. guess I
>>>>>>> need to vent :/
>>>>>> is ok to vent here, really
>>>>>
>>>>> I vent too much?
>>>>
>>>> nope nu unm no way
>>>>
>>> hey, that's my line!
>>
>> nope, can't have it, its mine.
>
> :O but but...
>
> nu unh!
>
> and don't forget, I'm fierce
well i'm purple!
confused
> confused wrote:
>> gathring wrote:
>>> Wolfie of Confused wrote:
>>>> gathring wrote:
>>>>> confused wrote:
>>>>>> gathring wrote:
>>>>>>> confused wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm sure you're all tired of our posts about the pup. sorry.
>>>>>>>> guess I
>>>>>>>> need to vent :/
>>>>>>> is ok to vent here, really
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I vent too much?
>>>>>
>>>>> nope nu unm no way
>>>>>
>>>> hey, that's my line!
>>>
>>> nope, can't have it, its mine.
>>
>> :O but but...
>>
>> nu unh!
>>
>> and don't forget, I'm fierce
>
> well i'm purple!
>
Shay of Confused
:)
i wanna b smrt!
astri
> i wanna b smrt!
you *are* smart!
confused
> "confused" <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote, in
> alt.support.dissociation:
>
> [....]
>> pup took all his medicne. maybe pup iwll be different and he won't like us
>> anymore. maybe pup wont wanna play anymore.
>
> He'll still like you. For absolutely certain.
> And he'll prolly still want to play.
>
he still plaes but he gets tierd an fls dn. :( he klumsee liek me.
klmsee bad. peepl get mad. don want peepl get mad at pup
>>> it isn't fair.
>>>
>> pup is a good pup and he's little and he never hurt anybody. how come he's
>> sick. how come we can't make him better.
>
> Sometimes people (human people and animal people) just get sick, and
> no-one really knows why. Bodies are very complicated, so sometimes
> they go wrong a bit. Can't always make people better. 8-(
>
>> :(
>
> Is sad.
>
:( i don want pup 2 die. :(
Shay of Confused
me! this frum shay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shay of Confused
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Shay of Confused wrote:
>
>> i wanna b smrt!
>
> you *are* smart!
>
astri, we shood ete brekfist, rite?
confused
shay, stop emailing our friend. that is NOT ok.
Shay of Confused
i wanna eet brekfist
we plaed wth beeg gie be4. hees nise. i wanna plae wth him. i dont wanna
hied frum hm!!!!! i wanna eet!!!!! i tel on u!
astri
> astri wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Shay of Confused wrote:
>>
>>> i wanna b smrt!
>>
>> you *are* smart!
>>
> lotsa stuf i cant doo
cuz you're 6
not cuz you're not smart
sir lala is 6
lots of stuff he can't do either
and he's *very* smart
> astri, we shood ete brekfist, rite?
definitely
we just ate breakfast
now we have to go to work
we'll talk to you later for other stuff
astri
> Baba Yaga wrote:
>> "confused" <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote, in
>> alt.support.dissociation:
>>
>> [....]
>>> pup took all his medicne. maybe pup iwll be different and he won't
>>> like us anymore. maybe pup wont wanna play anymore.
>>
>> He'll still like you. For absolutely certain.
>> And he'll prolly still want to play.
>>
> he still likes me
> he still plaes but he gets tierd an fls dn. :( he klumsee liek me.
> klmsee bad. peepl get mad. don want peepl get mad at pup
clumsy isn't bad.
clumsy is just clumsy.
is too bad people got mad at you.
you weren't trying to be bad.
people shouldn't get mad at pup.
you won't get made at pup.
>>>> it isn't fair.
>>>>
>>> pup is a good pup and he's little and he never hurt anybody. how
>>> come he's sick. how come we can't make him better.
>>
>> Sometimes people (human people and animal people) just get sick, and
>> no-one really knows why. Bodies are very complicated, so sometimes
>> they go wrong a bit. Can't always make people better. 8-(
>>
>>> :(
>>
>> Is sad.
>>
> :( i don want pup 2 die. :(
:(
we hope he doesn't.
astri
> confused wrote:
>> Shay of Confused wrote:
>>> astri wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Shay of Confused wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i wanna b smrt!
>>>>
>>>> you *are* smart!
>>>>
>>> lotsa stuf i cant doo
>>>
>>> astri, we shood ete brekfist, rite?
>>
>> shay, stop emailing our friend. that is NOT ok.
>
> i wanna eet brekfist
>
> we plaed wth beeg gie be4. hees nise. i wanna plae wth him. i dont
> wanna hied frum hm!!!!! i wanna eet!!!!! i tel on u!
did you get to eat breakfast?
Wolfie of Confused
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Shay of Confused wrote:
>> confused wrote:
>>> Shay of Confused wrote:
>>>> astri wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Shay of Confused wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> i wanna b smrt!
>>>>>
>>>>> you *are* smart!
>>>>>
>>>> lotsa stuf i cant doo
>>>>
>>>> astri, we shood ete brekfist, rite?
>>>
>>> shay, stop emailing our friend. that is NOT ok.
>>
>> i wanna eet brekfist
>>
>> we plaed wth beeg gie be4. hees nise. i wanna plae wth him. i dont
>> wanna hied frum hm!!!!! i wanna eet!!!!! i tel on u!
>
> did you get to eat breakfast?
>
> -- astri
>
we didn't eat breakfast. we ate lunch. we even managed to eat some
dinner. was very hard
astri
> astri wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Shay of Confused wrote:
>>> confused wrote:
>>>> Shay of Confused wrote:
>>>>> astri wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Shay of Confused wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i wanna b smrt!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you *are* smart!
>>>>>>
>>>>> lotsa stuf i cant doo
>>>>>
>>>>> astri, we shood ete brekfist, rite?
>>>>
>>>> shay, stop emailing our friend. that is NOT ok.
>>>
>>> i wanna eet brekfist
>>>
>>> we plaed wth beeg gie be4. hees nise. i wanna plae wth him. i dont
>>> wanna hied frum hm!!!!! i wanna eet!!!!! i tel on u!
>>
>> did you get to eat breakfast?
>>
>
> we didn't eat breakfast. we ate lunch. we even managed to eat some
> dinner. was very hard
:(
even before pup got sick?
(we ate lunch at 4:45 :/ )
Wolfie of Confused
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Wolfie of Confused wrote:
>> astri wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Shay of Confused wrote:
>>>> confused wrote:
>>>>> Shay of Confused wrote:
>>>>>> astri wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Shay of Confused wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i wanna b smrt!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you *are* smart!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> lotsa stuf i cant doo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> astri, we shood ete brekfist, rite?
>>>>>
>>>>> shay, stop emailing our friend. that is NOT ok.
>>>>
>>>> i wanna eet brekfist
>>>>
>>>> we plaed wth beeg gie be4. hees nise. i wanna plae wth him. i dont
>>>> wanna hied frum hm!!!!! i wanna eet!!!!! i tel on u!
>>>
>>> did you get to eat breakfast?
>>>
>> :/
>>
>> we didn't eat breakfast. we ate lunch. we even managed to eat some
>> dinner. was very hard
>
> :(
>
> even before pup got sick?
>
somebody kept saying we had to be strong for pup. we had to be able to
think and answer questions if vet called. so we ate but are stomach was
really upset.
> (we ate lunch at 4:45 :/ )
>
oops
how come?
(we ate breakfast at 2:15 and that was with skipping breakfast and doing
lots of house work.)
astri
understandable
still necessary :/
>> (we ate lunch at 4:45 :/ )
>>
> oops
> how come?
couldn't do it before
only did it right before walked into t
cuz didn't want to have to tell her hadn't eaten lunch
didn't know what she'd do
> (we ate breakfast at 2:15 and that was with skipping breakfast and
> doing lots of house work.)
sigh
Wolfie of Confused
always amazes me how quickly it slips back in. we really were doing ok.
now we aren't. seems like if we aren't careful it could take over. some
of us don't want that (and it doesn't really work, right?)
>>> (we ate lunch at 4:45 :/ )
>>>
>> oops
>> how come?
>
> couldn't do it before
> only did it right before walked into t
> cuz didn't want to have to tell her hadn't eaten lunch
know how that goes :/
> didn't know what she'd do
>
is good that you have t. did she ask about eating?
>> (we ate breakfast at 2:15 and that was with skipping breakfast and
>> doing lots of house work.)
>
> sigh
>
ja
astri
> astri wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Wolfie of Confused wrote:
>>> astri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> we didn't eat breakfast. we ate lunch. we even managed to eat
>>>>> some dinner. was very hard
>>>>
>>>> :(
>>>>
>>>> even before pup got sick?
>>>>
>>> dinner was after pup got sick. we'd mucked around too much though
>>> and somebody kept saying we had to be strong for pup. we had to be
>>> able to think and answer questions if vet called. so we ate but are
>>> stomach was really upset.
>>
>> understandable
>> still necessary :/
>>
> <sigh>
yes
> always amazes me how quickly it slips back in. we really were doing
> ok. now we aren't. seems like if we aren't careful it could take
> over. some of us don't want that (and it doesn't really work, right?)
yes it is quick
yes, it doesn't really work
yes, it's really powerful
>>>> (we ate lunch at 4:45 :/ )
>>>>
>>> oops
>>> how come?
>>
>> couldn't do it before
>> only did it right before walked into t
>> cuz didn't want to have to tell her hadn't eaten lunch
>
> know how that goes :/
sigh
>> didn't know what she'd do
>>
> is good that you have t. did she ask about eating?
yes
at least enough to establish that we had eaten
she's trying not to have all the focus turn to that
>>> (we ate breakfast at 2:15 and that was with skipping breakfast and
>>> doing lots of house work.)
>>
>> sigh
>>
> ja
:/
Juniper
Wolfie of Confused <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> dinner was after pup got sick. we'd mucked around too much though and
> somebody kept saying we had to be strong for pup. we had to be able to
> think and answer questions if vet called. so we ate but are stomach was
> really upset.
It's good you ate. You need to keep your strength up and your mind as
clear as it can be under the circumstances.
Juniper
Wolfie of Confused
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Wolfie of Confused wrote:
>> astri wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Wolfie of Confused wrote:
>>>> astri wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Wolfie of Confused wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we didn't eat breakfast. we ate lunch. we even managed to eat
>>>>>> some dinner. was very hard
>>>>>
>>>>> :(
>>>>>
>>>>> even before pup got sick?
>>>>>
>>>> dinner was after pup got sick. we'd mucked around too much though
>>>> and somebody kept saying we had to be strong for pup. we had to be
>>>> able to think and answer questions if vet called. so we ate but are
>>>> stomach was really upset.
>>>
>>> understandable
>>> still necessary :/
>>>
>> <sigh>
>
> yes
>
>> always amazes me how quickly it slips back in. we really were doing
>> ok. now we aren't. seems like if we aren't careful it could take
>> over. some of us don't want that (and it doesn't really work, right?)
>
> yes it is quick
> yes, it doesn't really work
> yes, it's really powerful
<sigh>
sometimes it feels like peering off the cliff and wondering what would
happen if you just stepped off.
>
>>>>> (we ate lunch at 4:45 :/ )
>>>>>
>>>> oops
>>>> how come?
>>>
>>> couldn't do it before
>>> only did it right before walked into t
>>> cuz didn't want to have to tell her hadn't eaten lunch
>>
>> know how that goes :/
>
> sigh
>
regrets
>>> didn't know what she'd do
>>>
>> is good that you have t. did she ask about eating?
>
> yes
> at least enough to establish that we had eaten
> she's trying not to have all the focus turn to that
>
our t seems to think that's important too. is that working ok for you?
seems like sometimes in trying not to make it be all the focus it can be
easy to avoid (not the word I want!)it
(did I mention I'm catching up on a back log of posts. have I provided
sufficient distraction yet?)
astri
and then wondering why you're wondering because you know you'll just
fall straight down.
>>>>>> (we ate lunch at 4:45 :/ )
>>>>>>
>>>>> oops
>>>>> how come?
>>>>
>>>> couldn't do it before
>>>> only did it right before walked into t
>>>> cuz didn't want to have to tell her hadn't eaten lunch
>>>
>>> know how that goes :/
>>
>> sigh
>>
> regrets
oh well
>>>> didn't know what she'd do
>>>>
>>> is good that you have t. did she ask about eating?
>>
>> yes
>> at least enough to establish that we had eaten
>> she's trying not to have all the focus turn to that
>>
> our t seems to think that's important too. is that working ok for
> you? seems like sometimes in trying not to make it be all the focus
> it can be easy to avoid (not the word I want!)it
think if we made it the focus with her, we'd end up not really doing
any work and it would get bigger.
> (did I mention I'm catching up on a back log of posts. have I
> provided sufficient distraction yet?)
heh
Wolfie of Confused
astri
good to remember
gathring
> gathring wrote:
>> confused wrote:
>>> gathring wrote:
>>>> Wolfie of Confused wrote:
>>>>> gathring wrote:
>>>>>> confused wrote:
>>>>>>> gathring wrote:
>>>>>>>> confused wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure you're all tired of our posts about the pup. sorry.
>>>>>>>>> guess I
>>>>>>>>> need to vent :/
>>>>>>>> is ok to vent here, really
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I vent too much?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> nope nu unm no way
>>>>>>
>>>>> hey, that's my line!
>>>>
>>>> nope, can't have it, its mine.
>>>
>>> :O but but...
>>>
>>> nu unh!
>>>
>>> and don't forget, I'm fierce
>>
>> well i'm purple!
>>
> alfie?
yup!
--
�There are two major products that came out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX.
We don't believe this to be a coincidence.� -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Wolfie of Confused
yes.
and yesterday I was thinking that would be ok. :/
>>>>>>> (we ate lunch at 4:45 :/ )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> oops
>>>>>> how come?
>>>>>
>>>>> couldn't do it before
>>>>> only did it right before walked into t
>>>>> cuz didn't want to have to tell her hadn't eaten lunch
>>>>
>>>> know how that goes :/
>>>
>>> sigh
>>>
>> regrets
>
> oh well
hmmm...
>
>>>>> didn't know what she'd do
>>>>>
>>>> is good that you have t. did she ask about eating?
>>>
>>> yes
>>> at least enough to establish that we had eaten
>>> she's trying not to have all the focus turn to that
>>>
>> our t seems to think that's important too. is that working ok for
>> you? seems like sometimes in trying not to make it be all the focus
>> it can be easy to avoid (not the word I want!)it
>
> think if we made it the focus with her, we'd end up not really doing
> any work and it would get bigger.
understand
>
>> (did I mention I'm catching up on a back log of posts. have I
>> provided sufficient distraction yet?)
>
> heh
>
it looks like others are busy posting today too :)
astri
:(
(we weren't all that good today)
(didn't get lunch)
(sigh)
>>>>>>>> (we ate lunch at 4:45 :/ )
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> oops
>>>>>>> how come?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> couldn't do it before
>>>>>> only did it right before walked into t
>>>>>> cuz didn't want to have to tell her hadn't eaten lunch
>>>>>
>>>>> know how that goes :/
>>>>
>>>> sigh
>>>>
>>> regrets
>>
>> oh well
>
> hmmm...
>>
>>>>>> didn't know what she'd do
>>>>>>
>>>>> is good that you have t. did she ask about eating?
>>>>
>>>> yes
>>>> at least enough to establish that we had eaten
>>>> she's trying not to have all the focus turn to that
>>>>
>>> our t seems to think that's important too. is that working ok for
>>> you? seems like sometimes in trying not to make it be all the focus
>>> it can be easy to avoid (not the word I want!)it
>>
>> think if we made it the focus with her, we'd end up not really doing
>> any work and it would get bigger.
>
> understand
but we do need to mention to her about having hard time
sigh
>>> (did I mention I'm catching up on a back log of posts. have I
>>> provided sufficient distraction yet?)
>>
>> heh
>>
> it looks like others are busy posting today too :)
yes
138 posts when got here this evening
might not get through all of them today
had to deal with small boy having meltdowns and needing mama
Puddles
aaawww. and she is a very very good mama.
astri
> astri wrote:
>>
>> 138 posts when got here this evening
>> might not get through all of them today
>> had to deal with small boy having meltdowns and needing mama
>
did good mama stuff.
he was crying because he wasn't allowed to eat sweet snack before
dinner, especially because he hadn't finished his lunch. was just
having an off day. so he needed cuddles. he was getting cuddles and
crying. we asked him about the research he was doing at school. he
had done a research about red algae and brought that home. he had said
he had done another research too. we asked him what his other research
had been. then he stopped crying and talked about his research about
trilobytes and how they curled up and burrowed into the dirt. then we
had a discussion about other creatures that curl up for protection (by
now, he's forgotten he's upset and crying) and he talked about how his
next research is going to be about dinosaurs. we had to guess which
one. of course, it was tyrannosaur. so we had to be a mama
tyrannosaur and he giggled and ran away, completely over being upset.
then at dinner, he was whining about having to eat his pasta before
getting smoothie. whined that the didn't like the pasta (he's eaten it
multiple times -- that wasn't the issue). could see same difficulty
happening again. so we picked up his fork and started to feed him to
show him that he did like it. he ate it happily (think he needed to be
taken care of deeply because he was having an iffy day -- everyone
knows he's perfectly capable of feeding himself). then he got his
smoothie. and then he got his cookies.
and then he chose not to do homework, promising to do double homework
tonight. he gets his whole week's worth of homework at once and hands
it in at the end of the week. c made sure he really wanted to make
that choice, and then he was allowed to do whatever he wanted until
bedtime.
Puddles
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Puddles wrote:
>> astri wrote:
>>>
>>> 138 posts when got here this evening
>>> might not get through all of them today
>>> had to deal with small boy having meltdowns and needing mama
>>
>> aaawww. and she is a very very good mama.
>
> did good mama stuff.
>
> he was crying because he wasn't allowed to eat sweet snack before
> dinner, especially because he hadn't finished his lunch.
we have had these types of fights many times.
was just
> having an off day. so he needed cuddles. he was getting cuddles and
> crying.
you know his needs.
we asked him about the research he was doing at school. he
> had done a research about red algae and brought that home. he had said
> he had done another research too. we asked him what his other research
> had been. then he stopped crying and talked about his research about
> trilobytes and how they curled up and burrowed into the dirt.
eeew. really? they are curly in the dirt?
then we
> had a discussion about other creatures that curl up for protection (by
> now, he's forgotten he's upset and crying)
like rolly polly's?
and he talked about how his
> next research is going to be about dinosaurs.
hey!
we had to guess which
> one. of course, it was tyrannosaur.
because you know him best.
so we had to be a mama
> tyrannosaur and he giggled and ran away, completely over being upset.
because you know how to take his hurts an ick day away.
>
> then at dinner, he was whining about having to eat his pasta before
> getting smoothie. whined that the didn't like the pasta (he's eaten it
> multiple times -- that wasn't the issue). could see same difficulty
> happening again. so we picked up his fork and started to feed him to
> show him that he did like it.
you are a good mom. a lot of moms might have yelled or sent him to his
room. you knew his needs and helped him through it.
he ate it happily (think he needed to be
> taken care of deeply because he was having an iffy day -- everyone
> knows he's perfectly capable of feeding himself). then he got his
> smoothie. and then he got his cookies.
:) what kind of cookie??
>
> and then he chose not to do homework, promising to do double homework
> tonight. he gets his whole week's worth of homework at once and hands
> it in at the end of the week. c made sure he really wanted to make
> that choice, and then he was allowed to do whatever he wanted until
> bedtime.
>
> -- astri
>
uh oh. interested to see how double homework works out tonight.
that was very nice thing to share. makes me feel good things about yous.
confused
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Puddles wrote:
>> astri wrote:
>>>
>>> 138 posts when got here this evening
>>> might not get through all of them today
>>> had to deal with small boy having meltdowns and needing mama
>>
>> aaawww. and she is a very very good mama.
>
> did good mama stuff.
>
> he was crying because he wasn't allowed to eat sweet snack before
> dinner, especially because he hadn't finished his lunch. was just
> having an off day. so he needed cuddles. he was getting cuddles and
> crying. we asked him about the research he was doing at school. he
> had done a research about red algae and brought that home. he had said
> he had done another research too. we asked him what his other research
> had been. then he stopped crying and talked about his research about
> trilobytes and how they curled up and burrowed into the dirt. then we
> had a discussion about other creatures that curl up for protection (by
> now, he's forgotten he's upset and crying) and he talked about how his
> next research is going to be about dinosaurs. we had to guess which
> one. of course, it was tyrannosaur. so we had to be a mama
> tyrannosaur and he giggled and ran away, completely over being upset.
>
> then at dinner, he was whining about having to eat his pasta before
> getting smoothie. whined that the didn't like the pasta (he's eaten it
> multiple times -- that wasn't the issue). could see same difficulty
> happening again. so we picked up his fork and started to feed him to
> show him that he did like it. he ate it happily (think he needed to be
> taken care of deeply because he was having an iffy day -- everyone
> knows he's perfectly capable of feeding himself). then he got his
> smoothie. and then he got his cookies.
is good he could work through iffy day.
>
> and then he chose not to do homework, promising to do double homework
> tonight. he gets his whole week's worth of homework at once and hands
> it in at the end of the week. c made sure he really wanted to make
> that choice, and then he was allowed to do whatever he wanted until
> bedtime.
>
so is he doing double today?
confused
:/
what about today?
>
>>>>>>>>> (we ate lunch at 4:45 :/ )
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> oops
>>>>>>>> how come?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> couldn't do it before
>>>>>>> only did it right before walked into t
>>>>>>> cuz didn't want to have to tell her hadn't eaten lunch
>>>>>>
>>>>>> know how that goes :/
>>>>>
>>>>> sigh
>>>>>
>>>> regrets
>>>
>>> oh well
>>
>> hmmm...
>>>
>>>>>>> didn't know what she'd do
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> is good that you have t. did she ask about eating?
>>>>>
>>>>> yes
>>>>> at least enough to establish that we had eaten
>>>>> she's trying not to have all the focus turn to that
>>>>>
>>>> our t seems to think that's important too. is that working ok for
>>>> you? seems like sometimes in trying not to make it be all the focus
>>>> it can be easy to avoid (not the word I want!)it
>>>
>>> think if we made it the focus with her, we'd end up not really doing
>>> any work and it would get bigger.
>>
>> understand
>
> but we do need to mention to her about having hard time
yes. you email her?
> sigh
>
understand
>>>> (did I mention I'm catching up on a back log of posts. have I
>>>> provided sufficient distraction yet?)
>>>
>>> heh
>>>
>> it looks like others are busy posting today too :)
>
> yes
>
> 138 posts when got here this evening
> might not get through all of them today
you'll catch up eventually
> had to deal with small boy having meltdowns and needing mama
>
poo
any particular reason he melting down?
Juniper
astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 138 posts when got here this evening
> might not get through all of them today
> had to deal with small boy having meltdowns and needing mama
Awww...
Juniper
Juniper
Puddles <allthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Reassured me that there are good mamas in the world.
Juniper
gathring
> 138 posts when got here this evening
> might not get through all of them today
> had to deal with small boy having meltdowns and needing mama
>
regrets.
--
“There are two major products that came out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX.
We don't believe this to be a coincidence.” -- Jeremy S. Anderson
gathring
is nice to see such good parenting.
astri
> astri wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Puddles wrote:
>>> astri wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 138 posts when got here this evening
>>>> might not get through all of them today
>>>> had to deal with small boy having meltdowns and needing mama
>>>
>>> aaawww. and she is a very very good mama.
>>
>> did good mama stuff.
>>
>> he was crying because he wasn't allowed to eat sweet snack before
>> dinner, especially because he hadn't finished his lunch.
>
> we have had these types of fights many times.
we don't let it be a fight
just acknowledge that he is upset about rule
and maintain rule
and allow him to be upset
and try to help him not be upset
>> was just having an off day. so he needed cuddles. he was getting
>> cuddles and crying.
>
> you know his needs.
think so
is easy to know his needs
>> we asked him about the research he was doing at school. he had done
>> a research about red algae and brought that home. he had said he
>> had done another research too. we asked him what his other research
>> had been. then he stopped crying and talked about his research
>> about trilobytes and how they curled up and burrowed into the dirt.
>
> eeew. really? they are curly in the dirt?
they did
they're extinct now
>> then we had a discussion about other creatures that curl up for
>> protection (by now, he's forgotten he's upset and crying)
>
> like rolly polly's?
yup
>> and he talked about how his next research is going to be about
>> dinosaurs.
>
> hey!
>
>> we had to guess which one. of course, it was tyrannosaur.
>
> because you know him best.
what little boy won't choose tyrannosaur?
>> so we had to be a mama tyrannosaur and he giggled and ran away,
>> completely over being upset.
>
> because you know how to take his hurts an ick day away.
we like to think that
>> then at dinner, he was whining about having to eat his pasta before
>> getting smoothie. whined that the didn't like the pasta (he's eaten
>> it multiple times -- that wasn't the issue). could see same
>> difficulty happening again. so we picked up his fork and started to
>> feed him to show him that he did like it.
>
> you are a good mom. a lot of moms might have yelled or sent him to
> his room. you knew his needs and helped him through it.
we don't believe in arguing
if it's a choice, we give him choice
if it's not a choice, we don't
if he's having difficulty because he's being overly emotional, we take
care of his emotions
>> he ate it happily (think he needed to be taken care of deeply
>> because he was having an iffy day -- everyone knows he's perfectly
>> capable of feeding himself). then he got his smoothie. and then he
>> got his cookies.
>
> :) what kind of cookie??
think vanilla with sugar sprinkles
halloween shapes
>> and then he chose not to do homework, promising to do double
>> homework tonight. he gets his whole week's worth of homework at
>> once and hands it in at the end of the week. c made sure he really
>> wanted to make that choice, and then he was allowed to do whatever
>> he wanted until bedtime.
>
> uh oh. interested to see how double homework works out tonight.
that was night we were in emergency
he actually did double homework
and then the next night visited us and didn't have time for homework
was supposed to do double homework last night
didn't want to do homework
so he'll get his consequence at school
(if he had finished at least one day's homework, c was prepared to
write excuse note for the homework he missed visiting us. since he
slacked off before finishing much of anything, no note. we're tough
parents.)
> that was very nice thing to share. makes me feel good things about
> yous.
:)
astri
needed help to do it
>> and then he chose not to do homework, promising to do double
>> homework tonight. he gets his whole week's worth of homework at
>> once and hands it in at the end of the week. c made sure he really
>> wanted to make that choice, and then he was allowed to do whatever
>> he wanted until bedtime.
>>
> so is he doing double today?
he actually did
and then he missed another night because of visiting us
but last night he didn't even finish one day's homework
so he'll take his consequences at school today
(c would have written him an excuse note if he had finished one day's
homework)
teacher had suggested not fighting with him about homework
just letting him make choices
so he learns responsibility
so that's what we're doing
astri
suppose you already heard about tuesday :/
ate today
>>>> think if we made it the focus with her, we'd end up not really
>>>> doing any work and it would get bigger.
>>>
>>> understand
>>
>> but we do need to mention to her about having hard time
>
> yes. you email her?
>
>> sigh
>>
> understand
did email her, btw.
she called us last night after learning we had cancelled today's
appointment. think she must have been worried. she hadn't known yet
about tuesday. she asked us if we were eating. told her we had just
been told could start again.
>>>>> (did I mention I'm catching up on a back log of posts. have I
>>>>> provided sufficient distraction yet?)
>>>>
>>>> heh
>>>>
>>> it looks like others are busy posting today too :)
>>
>> yes
>>
>> 138 posts when got here this evening
>> might not get through all of them today
>
> you'll catch up eventually
eventually
whole lot bigger backlog today
but think will prolly clear it
>> had to deal with small boy having meltdowns and needing mama
>>
> poo
> any particular reason he melting down?
dunno
maybe hungry from not having eating lunch
astri
> In article <6m7c2cF...@mid.individual.net>,
> Puddles <allthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> astri wrote:
>>>
>> that was very nice thing to share. makes me feel good things about yous.
>
> Reassured me that there are good mamas in the world.
ty
astri
:)
ty
Wolfie of Confused
wow
> and then he missed another night because of visiting us
understandable. wondered how he was coping with you being sick
> but last night he didn't even finish one day's homework
> so he'll take his consequences at school today
oops
> (c would have written him an excuse note if he had finished one day's
> homework)
seems fair
> teacher had suggested not fighting with him about homework
> just letting him make choices
> so he learns responsibility
> so that's what we're doing
>
:) agrees with everyone else. you are a good mom
n fought kiddo for a long time about homework. n finally learned to do
what you are doing. works better for them
Wolfie of Confused
>>>>>> (did I mention I'm catching up on a back log of posts. have I
>>>>>> provided sufficient distraction yet?)
>>>>>
>>>>> heh
>>>>>
>>>> it looks like others are busy posting today too :)
>>>
>>> yes
>>>
>>> 138 posts when got here this evening
>>> might not get through all of them today
>>
>> you'll catch up eventually
>
> eventually
>
> whole lot bigger backlog today
> but think will prolly clear it
>
think you are almost there. except we keep posting. heh, you made lots
of posts today :)
>>> had to deal with small boy having meltdowns and needing mama
>>>
>> poo
>> any particular reason he melting down?
>
> dunno
> maybe hungry from not having eating lunch
>
yes, eating is important :P
Juniper
astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Juniper wrote:
> > In article <6m7c2cF...@mid.individual.net>,
> > Puddles <allthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> astri wrote:
> >>> did good mama stuff.
> >>>
> >> that was very nice thing to share. makes me feel good things about yous.
> >
> > Reassured me that there are good mamas in the world.
>
> ty
I don't suppose you'd care to adopt me retroactively? ;-)
I am frequently reminded of a friend who once in an AA meeting said, "I
want my mother! No, I want someone ELSE's mother!"
Juniper
astri
yup
>> and then he missed another night because of visiting us
>
> understandable. wondered how he was coping with you being sick
c said he was actually not that worried
he's been very affectionate, tho
>> but last night he didn't even finish one day's homework
>> so he'll take his consequences at school today
>
> oops
yes
and he didn't finish it at recess friday
so he brought it home
is supposed to bring it back monday
friday evening he decided he wanted to do all his homework
started on new homework rather than what is actually due monday
didn't want to do make up homework
we took away new homework to make it easier for him
he's off with auntie today
will need to work on homework tomorrow
>> (c would have written him an excuse note if he had finished one
>> day's homework)
>
> seems fair
yes
>> teacher had suggested not fighting with him about homework
>> just letting him make choices
>> so he learns responsibility
>> so that's what we're doing
>>
> :) agrees with everyone else. you are a good mom
ty :)
> n fought kiddo for a long time about homework. n finally learned to
> do what you are doing. works better for them
think so