Re: Fat Loss 4 Idiots / Weight Loss and Diet Center
The Master
> Weight Loss Facts:
> Low Fat Foods DON'T WORK.
> Low Calorie Diets DON'T WORK.
> Low Carb Plans DON'T WORK.
> What about Weight Watchers and Jenny Craig Dieting Plans?
According to the size trolls, those things Do work. The chant "diet diet
diet" can be heard echoing from their side of the wall on a daily basis.
Their love for "low fat" and "less calories" is matched only by their
insistance that programs like weight watchers work so well.
In other words, they are full of sh!t.
> Try our New ACCELERATED Fat Burning Diet right here
Oh? You selling a diet? Hmmm, looks like you are too full of it also...
dooberheim
wrote:
Diets work fine. It's the going off the diet that causes the weight
to come back.
Diet and exercise - HARD exercise - does work. It's about the only
thing that does short of WLS.
DK
Don Klipstein
>Here ya go, fatties! Get those scoop shovels ready!
>
>http://fatloss4idiots.com/?hop=roeib&tc=123&ov=1342375941&gg=1058220004&
>
>Weight Loss Facts:
>
>Low Fat Foods DON'T WORK.
>
>popular for more than 15 years, but yet our society is getting more
>overweight as each year passes. This fact alone should tell you that
>eating a purely low fat menu is not the answer to losing weight.
The "low fat fad" rose and fell, and the "low carb fad" rose and mostly
fell, and through all of these times Americans got fatter and fatter.
This is from consuming more calories than before and burning fewer
calories than before.
>Low Calorie Diets DON'T WORK.
>
>You won't lose weight using a Low Calorie Dieting Plan either. In
>fact, eating low calories is the worst thing that you can do to your
>body, since that will only slow down your body's fat burning engine and
>ruin all chances of losing weight (low calorie diets may allow a few
>pounds of weight loss for the first few days, but then after that all
>weight loss comes to a halt --- known as a dieting plateau). You can
>never get slim by starving yourself.
I know 3 people that managed to actually go low calorie and stay on a
low calorie diet. One ate low calorie ever since I first knew him and he
was thin ever since I first knew him. The other two used to eat more
calories and later ate fewer calories, and both used to be overweight
and then lost weight and kept the weight off.
>Low Carb Plans DON'T WORK.
>
>You'll probably find it extremely difficult to get slim using a Low Carb
>Dieting Plan. Low carb diets have recently become popular over the last
>couple years, but the problem with low carb menus is that they are too
>strict and TOO HARD TO FOLLOW for average people. Low carb menus tend
>to rob your body of too much energy (carbohydrates) and make it nearly
>impossible to remain on the program for very long. This is why so many
>dieters find it difficult to follow a strict low carbohydrate menu.
I see low carbers failing by either eating high calorie intake or
falling off their diets - mostly giving up after not losing weight due to
maintaining a caloric intake level that keeps the weight on.
>What about Weight Watchers and Jenny Craig Dieting Plans?
>
>Weight loss programs such as Weight Watchers (and Jenny Craig) usually
>involve slower dieting progress over a longer period of time, since such
>programs generally promise only 2-3 pounds of weight loss per week.
That's about the most that most people can lose per week on any
reasonable weight loss diet. If one eats no calories at all and has a
typical American low-exercise lifestyle, the most that person can do in
terms of weight loss in body fat is about 4 pounds per week!
Body fat is about 3,500 calories per pound, and someone trying to lose
weight without exercising has low prospects of burning much more than
2,000 calories per day. Walking or running 5 miles a day increases that
to about 2,500 calories per day.
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
Jackie Patti
> That's about the most that most people can lose per week on any
> reasonable weight loss diet. If one eats no calories at all and has a
> typical American low-exercise lifestyle, the most that person can do in
> terms of weight loss in body fat is about 4 pounds per week!
Actually, one can die of starvation while still obese; in that case, you
lose a lot of weight after death though.
get pumping
and are aware of the benefit of being active, but still struggle to
achieve their optimum weight or shape.
The Body ID Plan at AmericanVistas.com is therefore ideal for those
people that may have tried various diets but have been unable to
achieve their goals possibly due to a hidden food intolerance holding
them back
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Rod Speed
> The majority of people are aware of what constitutes a healthy diet
No they dont on the VERY basic question of how many calories they
need to shovel into their mouths to achieve a reduction in weight.
> and are aware of the benefit of being active, but still
> struggle to achieve their optimum weight or shape.
Because they cant even manage to work that basic stuff
out like how many calories they need to shovel into their
mouths to achieve a reduction in their current weight.
> The Body ID Plan at AmericanVistas.com is therefore
> ideal for those people that may have tried various diets
> but have been unable to achieve their goals possibly
> due to a hidden food intolerance holding them back
Bare faced lie.
> Body ID Plan >>> Food scan Test
> Food intolerance testing kit
> Laboratory analysis to identify food intolerance
Food intolerance has absolutely NOTHING to do with
why most cant achieve their optimum weight or shape.
> Personalised healthy eating plan incorporating
> the laboratory analysis of your sample
Mindlessly silly when food intolerance has absolutely NOTHING
to do with why most cant achieve their optimum weight or shape.
> Comprehensive support pack to provide guidance and assist you in
> altering your diet while ensuring you maintain a healthy eating plan
Mindlessly silly when food intolerance has absolutely NOTHING
to do with why most cant achieve their optimum weight or shape.
> Dietary advice written by a leading nutritionist
Who is so stupid that it hasnt even managed to grasp that food intolerance has
absolutely NOTHING to do with why most cant achieve their optimum weight or shape.
> spam flushed where it belongs.
> For weight challenges only this plan is best Weight and
> shape normalisation through a balanced and healthy diet plan
Another bare faced lie.
Cubit
"Jackie Patti" <jpa...@ccil.org> wrote in message
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I suppose it "can" happen, but I would bet that it is rare.
Charmander
>> Actually, one can die of starvation while still obese; in that case, you
>> lose a lot of weight after death though.
>>
>> --
>> http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/
>
> I suppose it "can" happen, but I would bet that it is rare.
Everyone loses weight after death. It's called decomposing.
The Master
> Diets work fine. It's the going off the diet that causes the weight
> to come back.
Exactly... The moment you stop counting calories, and try to "live", the
weight starts to come back. You have to stay on the "diet" for the rest
of your life. There is no relaxation, it's constant. That's not LIFE,
that's SURVIVAL.
> Diet and exercise - HARD exercise - does work. It's about the only
> thing that does short of WLS.
Same thing. You have to keep working out... It requires a full and total
lifestyle change, that is totally foreign to me, and I am totally
uninterested in doing.
The Master
>>> Diet and exercise - HARD exercise - does work. It's about the only
>>> thing that does short of WLS.
>>
>> Same thing. You have to keep working out... It requires a full and
>> total lifestyle change, that is totally foreign to me, and I am
>> totally uninterested in doing.
>
> If you wish to live longer with fewer health issues it is the only choice
> you have.
And there you hit the nail on the head. You see, I post out of the
s.s.f-a group. I am not reading from one of the diet forums.
I do not want to lose weight, the size nazis want me to lose weight.
My point, however, is that the size nazis spew the same garbage about how
"easy" it is to lose weight. Keeping the weight off requires a total
life style change, forever... I don't care about losing weight, let alone
altering my way of life, just to satisfy some internet @$$holes that think
size discrimination is a good idea.
Hollywood
wrote:
> I do not want to lose weight, the size nazis want me to lose weight.
I would guess that the size nazis are happy to allow you to be fat and
pass early.
I think it would be a shame if you were to pass 10 or 20 years early,
but you're
gonna do what you're gonna do, right?
em
"Charmander" <tar...@personals-scripts.com> wrote in message
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What about Betovhen?
Charmander
--
What's popular isn't always right. What's right isn't always popular.
"em" <i...@dun.no> wrote in message news:vyf6j.117$yV5...@newsfe15.phx...
I guess Beethoven and Tupac might be the exceptions. :P
Charmander
--
What's popular isn't always right. What's right isn't always popular.
"Charmander" <tar...@personals-scripts.com> wrote in message
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> I guess Beethoven and Tupac Shakur might be the exceptions. :P
>
Lady Veteran
There is existing and then there is living. His decision has nothing
to do with you. Don't give me any stupidity about raised health
premiums or more carts at the supermarket. Surely we can get down to
the real reason you are sticking your nose in his business.
Admit it-you do it becuase you can keep your distance and try to make
others miserable-that is why you and every idiot in Usenet has had
their nose swatted by a rolled up newspaper at least once.
LV
"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."
---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
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"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."
---Winston Churchill
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in...@doublevisionpt.com
> In article <Xns99FAE9AA5E769GBBFA@localhost>, Ernest L Sevvell, IV wrote:
>
> >Here ya go, fatties! Get those scoop shovels ready!
>
> >http://fatloss4idiots.com/?hop=roeib&tc=123&ov=1342375941&gg=1058220004&
>
> >WeightLossFacts:
>
> >Low Fat Foods DON'T WORK.
>
> >popular for more than 15 years, but yet our society is getting more
> >overweight as each year passes. This fact alone should tell you that
> >eating a purely low fat menu is not the answer to losingweight.
>
> The "low fat fad" rose and fell, and the "low carb fad" rose and mostly
> fell, and through all of these times Americans got fatter and fatter.
> This is from consuming more calories than before and burning fewer
> calories than before.
>
> >Low Calorie Diets DON'T WORK.
>
> >fact, eating low calories is the worst thing that you can do to your
> >body, since that will only slow down your body's fat burning engine and
> >pounds ofweightlossfor the first few days, but then after that all
> >weightlosscomes to a halt --- known as a dieting plateau). You can
> >never get slim by starving yourself.
>
> I know 3 people that managed to actually go low calorie and stay on a
> low calorie diet. One ate low calorie ever since I first knew him and he
> was thin ever since I first knew him. The other two used to eat more
> calories and later ate fewer calories, and both used to be overweight
> and then lostweightand kept theweightoff.
>
> >Low Carb Plans DON'T WORK.
>
> >You'll probably find it extremely difficult to get slim using a Low Carb
> >Dieting Plan. Low carb diets have recently become popular over the last
> >couple years, but the problem with low carb menus is that they are too
> >strict and TOO HARD TO FOLLOW for average people. Low carb menus tend
> >to rob your body of too much energy (carbohydrates) and make it nearly
> >impossible to remain on the program for very long. This is why so many
> >dieters find it difficult to follow a strict low carbohydrate menu.
>
> I see low carbers failing by either eating high calorie intake or
> maintaining a caloric intake level that keeps theweighton.
>
>
> >Weightlossprograms such asWeightWatchers (and Jenny Craig) usually
> >involve slower dieting progress over a longer period of time, since such
>
> That's about the most that most people can lose per week on any
> typical American low-exercise lifestyle, the most that person can do in
>
> Body fat is about 3,500 calories per pound, and someone trying to loseweightwithout exercising has low prospects of burning much more than
> 2,000 calories per day. Walking or running 5 miles a day increases that
> to about 2,500 calories per day.
>
> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
We agree and disagree with some of these comments. There are many
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1) Excersize - Must - strength training without isolating muscles and
cardio...better pick up a sport like squash/ swimming to be fit for
life...
2) No low fat/ low carb - have BALANCED DIET with 40-50% being
protein. An average person needs as much grams of protein as his body
weight in Kgs. So say your weigh 80 Kgs you need atleast 80 gms of
proteins but evenly spread throughout the day. Try having proteins and
fat throughout the day and most carbs in breakfast.
3) Self belief- nothing works better for weight loss.
I have lost around 25 Kgs in the past 6-7 months...
nd
Jim
1920's or 1930's when all of the "Vitamins" were being discovered.
The concern was that since there are "Vitamins", how on earth will we be
sure that we are getting them......
The answer was to "eat a lot of different stuff" as a "Balanced Diet".
So, to me, "Balanced Diet" still means being ignorant of foods, and
eating a lot of different ones to "be safe" that something isn't being
missed.
And it sounds SOOOOOOO gooooooood to say "Balanced Diet" with a bit of a
smug air.
Don Klipstein
burnt...@gmail.com wrote:
>Ok .. from my experience i wud say
>
>1) Excersize - Must - strength training without isolating muscles and
>cardio...better pick up a sport like squash/ swimming to be fit for
>life...
>2) No low fat/ low carb - have BALANCED DIET with 40-50% being
>protein. An average person needs as much grams of protein as his body
>weight in Kgs. So say your weigh 80 Kgs you need atleast 80 gms of
>proteins but evenly spread throughout the day. Try having proteins and
>fat throughout the day and most carbs in breakfast.
If you eat 80 grams of protein per day and have that amount to 40% of
calories, then you are consuming 800 calories per day. I would advise
checking with your doctor before eating that little. I would also advise
discussing with your doctor what exercise you are also doing or planning
to do.
If your doctor gives you a green light and you can actually keep
yourself eating that small a caloric content, then GO FOR IT AND MORE
POWER TO YOU!!!
>3) Self belief- nothing works better for weight loss.
>
>I have lost around 25 Kgs in the past 6-7 months...
If one consumes only 800 calories per day, then that is good for roughly
28 kilograms (about 62 pounds) in 6 months, if the loss is all in fat
tissue. Most people losing weight that aggressively also usually lose
some mass in other tissue with lower calorie density, muscle or otherwise
(usually both) - you will probably lose total body weight even faster.
Faster still if you also get aerobic exercise.
Please discuss with your doctor such a plan to lose weight at such an
aggressive pace.
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)