Prophacy in the Bible, for Bob.
Carol T
Bible prophecy and truths reveal themselves in many ways, in this you
must trust.
Do you think a man intent on saving your life will take cover and run
if other's around him beat him as he lies on the ground? It's
doubtful, he is more likely to get up even if it means being beaten
again and again and again and again, even to the point of His death.
This is who our saviour is to us. He who picks himself up and takes
the second, third, forth, fifth beating and so on until even all His
attackers each come to realise the lengths He is going to save your
life because He loves you. Then finally there is you and He together,
that moment when you can accept His saving grace and there is 'no-one'
else there to beat Him except you, and only you can be seen by His
Father who sent Him to you. When you recive His Holy Spirit you will
be proud in Him.
This is how it is for all men who battle with their own demons before
God's feet.
Your Saviour is not Andrew, I or anyone else here, but our Lord Jesus
Christ.
Jesus loves you Bob, His love for you surpasses all understanding and
His forgiveness is complete.
In Christ's love
Carol T
Vicki Beausoleil
Stop crossposting your trash to alt.support.diabetes.
Vicki
Budd Cochran
Budd
(with apologies for the cross post)
"Vicki Beausoleil" <VBeau...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:41AEFDD7...@netscape.net...
MU
> That would be "Prophecy in the Bible, for Bob."
>
> I read the book. What makes you think your interpretations are any
> better than anyone else's?
>
> Bob
Do you often spend time reading books about Gods you don't believe in, Bob?
Why is that, Bob?
Why is it that you would spend hundreds upon hundreds of hours reading
about a non existent God, Bob? Does the word "psychotically obsessive" mean
anything to you, Bob?
All that energy wasted for what? To "win" a religious argument, Bob? Satan
has got his arms wrapped around you tight, Bob. He's so far into your sick
little head you don't even recognize it, do you, Bob?
Btw, I don't actually believe you have read the "book", Bob. I believe
you're a liar.
Either compulsive liar or psychotic obsessive, you're screwed blue and
tattooed, Bob.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> One person's trash just might be another's hope.
>
> Budd
> (with apologies for the cross post)
When someone complains about a cross post, they are actually
complaining about the content of the post because in truth, the real
difference between a "cross-post" and a regular post are the few extra
characters in the header which one only "notices" when bothered by the
content of the post.
Truth is simple.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
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<mr-...@citlinkSPAM.net> Screamed something into the void that
sounded like:
>One person's trash just might be another's hope.
>
>Budd
>(with apologies for the cross post)
why is the nut cases are always turning people away from their own
religions with their behavior that contradicts what their religious
texts teach?
Carol is a nutter who worships chung.
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Bob (this one)
<Usual drivel hosed>
"Prophacy in the Bible, for Bob."
Bob (this one)
> Does the word "psychotically obsessive" mean
> anything to you, Bob?
Actually, it's two words and, yes, it does. It perfectly describes
Chung and you with your religious fundamentalist crankery.
HTH
Bob
MU
> why is the nut cases are always turning people away from their own
> religions with their behavior that contradicts what their religious
> texts teach?
>
> Carol is a nutter who worships chung.
And here you are, a drunk, responding to the thread. You define stupidity.
menu boy
"Budd Cochran" <mr-...@citlinkSPAM.net> wrote in message news:uGFrd.5932$171....@news01.roc.ny...
OT xposting is not proper etiquette and thus the offending
material should not be put up here. This inconsiderate
piece of scurf, who has no regard for other people's bandwidth,
should have sent a private email. Now, kindly go fuck yourself and
stop wasting bandwidth...Buuuuuuuuuuuddy.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Carol T wrote in article
> <9bff2a56.04120...@posting.google.com>:
>
> >Dearest Bob,
>
> >Bible prophecy and truths reveal themselves in many ways, in this you
> >must trust.
>
> was exposition of one type of opinion about theology, and certainly not
> the theology held by the majority of Christians over the past 2,000
> years. Actually it's contemporary sermonizing of a rather mundane sort.
>
Carol paraphrased what Lord Jesus Christ teaches through John 3:
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For
God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to
save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned,
but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not
believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19This is the verdict:
Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light
because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light,
and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be
exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that
it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."
It is written in Ephesians 2:
10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with the
Creator of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time because
there will be an infinite amount of it. Walking about aimlessly
thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your* labor,
*your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is tantamount to
self-worship.
For Christ lights up the way through John 14:
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes
to the Father except through me..."
This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree for
the untruthful folks such as yourself, Don, who have chosen to walk in
the "dark":
(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.
(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.
Benefits: Nothing.
Again, one has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, Steve, Bob, Zee,
Frank, Hawki, Rolando et al) who would reject Christ have not thought
out their decision *logically*.
Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example of
untruthfully eloquent self-worship (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers out
of Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring him
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29A236C9 and more recently
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V25D312E9). All this power belongs to God
who has judged Bob Pastorio with His Word
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)
You will be in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Christ's holy name.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.
Please do consider the following as your logic should dictate before it
is too late:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His
presence known here on Usenet :-)
MU
> MU wrote:
>
>> Does the word "psychotically obsessive" mean
>> anything to you, Bob?
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:32:14 -0500, Bob (this one) wrote:
> It perfectly describes
> Chung and you with your religious fundamentalist crankery.
Well, Bob, where do you get the idea that I am a fundamentalist and exactly
how would you fo about defining one? See, I am feeding your obessession and
you're note even gracious enough to say Thank You, Mu.
MU
...with thanks for privacy to: wrote:
> On 3-Dec-2004, MU <muno...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>> do you deny the Crucifixion Of Christ? Historians don't.
>
> Hello MU,
>
> I think he was probably crucified, it was a usual punishment for lawbreakers
> back then. It just doesn't mean much to me other than as a historical
> story. He was a bit of a rebel and disliked the organised religion of his
> time. Or do you believe he was more than a man?
Much more. Christ is God' Son.
> Get a grip guy, we're all
> just people. We all came from stardust and one day will return to it.
> Isn't that great enough? Why do you need to invent gods?
I don't. He simply exists.
MU
Usenet act (you're all over the place Nescio, TROLLING like a
kindergartner) and we might have a discussion about the difference between
making moral judgments, of which I am not only not interested I did not do,
and truthful observation, of which I plead "guilty."
Mu
-----------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:50:01 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio wrote:
> You're a judgmental little fuck, MU. Maybe Andrew should fill you in about
> the Sin of placing judgements on others.
>
> "MU" <muno...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:sp7pb4m54v7q$.bc0ndb3s90zk$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 09:40:07 -0500, Bob (this one) wrote:
>>
>>> That would be "Prophecy in the Bible, for Bob."
>>>
>>> I read the book. What makes you think your interpretations are any
>>> better than anyone else's?
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>> Do you often spend time reading books about Gods you don't believe in, Bob?
>> Why is that, Bob?
>>
>> Why is it that you would spend hundreds upon hundreds of hours reading
>> about a non existent God, Bob? Does the word "psychotically obsessive" mean
>> anything to you, Bob?
>>
menu boy
"MU" <muno...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:1dfmmkzu3i6iw.1qcljzrih77r1$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On 2 Dec 2004 11:36:54 -0800, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> > When someone complains about a cross post, they are actually
> > complaining about the content of the post because in truth, the real
> > difference between a "cross-post" and a regular post are the few extra
> > characters in the header which one only "notices" when bothered by the
> > content of the post.
>
> estate, control unmoderated forums and shut out anyone who dares to offer
> discussion that challenges their points of view.
If everyone would just killfile Dr. Long Duck Dong, no one would be
complaining.
MU
> When someone complains about a cross post, they are actually
> complaining about the content of the post because in truth, the real
> difference between a "cross-post" and a regular post are the few extra
> characters in the header which one only "notices" when bothered by the
> content of the post.
Let's not forget Useneters who want to "own" their little piece of notreal
Bob (this one)
> "Bob (this one)" <B...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<10quacs...@corp.supernews.com>...
>
>>Carol T wrote:
>>
>><Usual drivel hosed>
>
> You would really have had nothing to write about if you did not snip
> the content of her post because she spelled prophecy correctly within
> the body of her post.
Oh, look. It's Chung slamming in to rescue the bible-babbler supreme.
Carol has nothing to write as long as she peddles that sanctimonious
crap for what seems like endless paragraphs of psychotic rattling and
self-glorifying twaddle.
It was playtime, Andrew, something you seem incapable of
comprehending. You and the rest of your fundie coterie are the most
humorless, joyless, inhibited, debilitated cranks it has been my
distinct pleasure to observe.
>>"Prophacy in the Bible, for Bob."
>>
>>That would be "Prophecy in the Bible, for Bob."
>
> It seems you have chosen to use Carol's imperfection(s) as an excuse
> for the path you have taken.
I guess so. The path was to mock her for her persistent posting of
incomprehensible, formulaic poppycock.
>>I read the book. What makes you think your interpretations are any
>>better than anyone else's?
>
> I am in a position to vouch for Carol's ability to discern the truth.
> This would be one of many good works that God planned for me to do
> today :-)
<LOLOLOL> Chung the liar, charlatan, quack, fraud is "vouching" for
Carol's "ability to discern the truth." That translates to, "Carol
agrees with me."
Twaddle like this next passage is why you'll never be seen as anything
but a mindless rattle in a huge barrel. Illogical, historically
nonsensical, coincidence being pushed out as deliberation and
self-praise rampant. Numerological excrement.
> (Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He
> is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2
> which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments,
> the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger
> sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and
> satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ
> did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-)
I guess that Chock-full-O'-Chung thinks he's Jesus now. Only to be
expected if you trace the path of descent into religious frenzy he's
been following.
Maybe we can get MU_sclehead to help him get to some professional help.
Bob
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> <Usual drivel hosed>
You would really have had nothing to write about if you did not snip
the content of her post because she spelled prophecy correctly within
the body of her post.
> "Prophacy in the Bible, for Bob."
>
> That would be "Prophecy in the Bible, for Bob."
It seems you have chosen to use Carol's imperfection(s) as an excuse
for the path you have taken.
> I read the book. What makes you think your interpretations are any
> better than anyone else's?
I am in a position to vouch for Carol's ability to discern the truth.
This would be one of many good works that God planned for me to do
today :-)
> Bob
It is written in Ephesians 2:
10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with the
Creator of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time
because there will be an infinite amount of it. Walking about
aimlessly thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your*
labor, *your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is
tantamount to self-worship.
For Christ lights up the way through John 14:
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one
comes to the Father except through me..."
This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree
for the untruthful folks such as yourself, Bob, who have chosen to
walk in the "dark":
(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable
riches in God's eternal kingdom.
(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.
Benefits: Nothing.
Again, one has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, Steve, Zee,
Frank, Hawki, Rolando, Sarah, Kate, Don et al) who would reject Christ
have not thought out their decision *logically*.
You will be in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Christ's holy
name.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so
that you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after
you die.
Please do consider the following as your logic should dictate before
it is too late:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He
is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2
which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments,
the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger
sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and
satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ
did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-)
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Don Kirkman
<9bff2a56.04120...@posting.google.com>:
>Dearest Bob,
>Bible prophecy and truths reveal themselves in many ways, in this you
>must trust.
I read through looking for the ProphEcy from the Bible, but all I saw
was exposition of one type of opinion about theology, and certainly not
the theology held by the majority of Christians over the past 2,000
years. Actually it's contemporary sermonizing of a rather mundane sort.
[...]
>Your Saviour is not Andrew, I or anyone else here, but our Lord Jesus
>Christ.
>Jesus loves you Bob, His love for you surpasses all understanding and
>His forgiveness is complete.
--
Don
don...@covad.net
MU
> You forget the one simple but very important fact.
>
> The bible is a collection of fairy stories, fantasy and hearsay loosely
> based on passed down folk tales then poorly translated into our language and
> manipulated over the years to fit current religious ideas.
Maybe yours is. Mine isn't.
MOF, there are many well verified historically reported occurrences in the
Bible.
Carol T
>>>>>>>>>> One person's trash just might be another's hope.
>
> Budd<<<<<<<<<<<
Very much so. Thank you.
Phildo
"Carol T" <cteas...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9bff2a56.04120...@posting.google.com...
> Dearest Bob,
>
> Bible prophecy and truths reveal themselves in many ways, in this you
> must trust.
>
The bible is a collection of fairy stories, fantasy and hearsay loosely
based on passed down folk tales then poorly translated into our language and
manipulated over the years to fit current religious ideas.
It should be filed under "fiction" in the library and Terry Pratchett is a
much better read than this "God" person who should never have gotten a
publishing deal in the first place.
Phildo
Gary Woods
>why is the nut cases are always turning people away from their own
>religions
Why do some people always quote the nutjob post in its entirety before
adding a one-line reply?
The answer is the same: There's no rationale for the people act, and the
only thing to do is what you would in meatspace. Ignore and move on.
Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G
menu boy
Great, another ignorant Bush fan. *Plonk*.
Phildo
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:47:00 -0000, Phildo wrote:
>
>> You forget the one simple but very important fact.
>>
>> The bible is a collection of fairy stories, fantasy and hearsay loosely
>> based on passed down folk tales then poorly translated into our language
>> and
>> manipulated over the years to fit current religious ideas.
>
> Maybe yours is. Mine isn't.
All bibles are.
> MOF, there are many well verified historically reported occurrences in the
> Bible.
>
> do you deny the Crucifixion Of Christ? Historians don't.
Jesus was nothing more than a political activist of his day (a member of the
essene tribe) whose name was hijacked after his "death" (he lived for many
years after the crucifixion in Kashmir in India and eventually died in the
south of France having had several children and grandchildren) to start a
religion to give hope to the oppressed jews by fulfilling their "saviour"
prophecy.
Phildo
GaryG
A classic description of Chung...thanks for posting.
GG
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
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> Something he plugs into a wall outlet to cool off those hot Texas summers?
>
> Budd
>
> "Carol T" <cteas...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9bff2a56.04120...@posting.google.com...
> > "menu boy" <ilSTOP...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<ilQrd.10186
> >
> > > Great, another ignorant Bush fan. *Plonk*.
> >
> > What is a Bush fan?
Carol T
> Great, another ignorant Bush fan. *Plonk*.
What is a Bush fan?
In Christ's love
Carol T
Budd Cochran
Budd
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URAQT2
> "menu boy" <ilSTOP...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<ilQrd.10186
>
>
>>Great, another ignorant Bush fan. *Plonk*.
>
>
> What is a Bush fan?
Someone who refuses to see the truth of this antiChrist and voted for him?
--
Chuck
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Of course, the United States was not
originally intended to be a Christian nation.
Jefferson, Washington, Franklin and most of
the founding fathers were skeptics or Deists;
they specifically intended a secular
government with an "unbreachable wall" between
church and state; they even wrote into the
treaty with the Moslem nation of Tripoli
a clear statement that, unlike European
countries, the "United States is not, in any
sense, a Christian nation."
(So clearly understood was the principle of
separation of church and state in those days
that the treaty passed Congress without any
debate on that clause, and President John Adams
signed it at once, without any fear that it
might jeopardize his political future.)
-Robert A. Wilson (Sex and Drugs, 1973)
Don Kirkman
in article <1102048484.CYpP5kp0zg3B8sHSufSChw@teranews>:
>Don Kirkman wrote:
>> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Carol T wrote in article
>> <9bff2a56.04120...@posting.google.com>:
>> >Bible prophecy and truths reveal themselves in many ways, in this you
>> >must trust.
>> I read through looking for the ProphEcy from the Bible, but all I saw
>> was exposition of one type of opinion about theology, and certainly not
>> the theology held by the majority of Christians over the past 2,000
>> years. Actually it's contemporary sermonizing of a rather mundane sort.
>Carol paraphrased what Lord Jesus Christ teaches through John 3:
>16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that
>whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For
>God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to
>save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned,
>but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not
>believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19This is the verdict:
>Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light
>because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light,
>and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be
>exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that
>it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."
Sorry, but Carol's message is in no way a paraphrase of what you quote
here. Her message is a pastiche of catch-phrases popular among the
literalistic preachers of the 20th and 21st centuries.
John (who actually was teaching through the above, not Jesus) was
interpreting the central point in Christian theology. Carol wrote about
picking oneself up, dusting oneself off, and starting all over again,
battling with demons. John knew it wasn't that simple.
BTW, even what John wrote is not prophecy but exposition of a belief,
and Carol was even farther from the spirit and content of prophecy.
>It is written in Ephesians 2:
>10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
>works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
The real problem is the human tendency to equate one's own actions with
the good works God desires. Just what *are* those good works? Running
roughshod over those with whom one disagrees? Ignoring an existing
agreement about the appropriateness of messages for the stated purpose
of a newsgroup? Judging the beliefs and religiosity of people one has
never met and will never meet?
>All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with the
>Creator of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time because
>there will be an infinite amount of it. Walking about aimlessly
>thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your* labor,
>*your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is tantamount to
>self-worship.
Well, there's the little problem that "time" and "eternity" are two very
different phenomena. Passing eternity is not just watching the
millennia roll by; if eternity exists in the Christian sense it's a
changed spiritual quality, not simply an infinite continuation of the
passing of time. Your theology, your understanding of God, your
interpretation of scripture, are too limited. You're a bright man; go
back to school and learn these things if you really want to teach others
about them.
>This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree for
>the untruthful folks such as yourself, Don, who have chosen to walk in
>the "dark":
It's still not a decision tree, but I know you'll never concede that.
It's a takeoff on the old "bet" used in philosophy and religion classes.
It fails any time a person doesn't accept the basic premise that there
are only two options and that the benefits and risks are accurately
portrayed.
>(1) Accept Christ.
>Risk: Nothing.
>Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
>in God's eternal kingdom.
>(2) Reject Christ.
>Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
>satan.
>Benefits: Nothing.
>Again, one has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, Steve, Bob, Zee,
>Frank, Hawki, Rolando et al) who would reject Christ have not thought
>out their decision *logically*.
I repeat, rejecting your truncated Christianity and your boorish
behavior is in no way the same as rejecting Jesus or God. You are not
either one of them.
>Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example of
>untruthfully eloquent self-worship
Would suggest you stop judging others in this group; it's unholy how
much you feed your ego by doing so.
> (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers out
>of Christian love)
Bwahahahah. But you might want to quit advertising your constant
prayers; Jesus strongly advised against that sort of thing.
>You will be in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Christ's holy name.
I'll take my love straight from the source, thank you.
Now, in parting let me ask why you felt the need to jump in and address
me directly when I was addressing Carol. I thought you had said you
never do that sort of thing.
>May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
>you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.
I have already escaped these horrors. I hope the same for you.
>Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Is that the same humble one who said "The law and the tradition says . .
. , but I say . . . ." And who threw the moneychangers out of the
temple? And who preached in his hometown synagogue and made his
townspeople wonder how this homegrown young man, with no learning, was
able to explain the scripture so well? And who asked the Roman official
"What IS truth?" and "Are you saying these things about me from your
own concern or has someone else told them to you?"
--
Don
don...@covad.net
Don Kirkman
<yvuep8yy0gkn.z...@40tude.net>:
>On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:47:00 -0000, Phildo wrote:
>> You forget the one simple but very important fact.
>> The bible is a collection of fairy stories, fantasy and hearsay loosely
>> based on passed down folk tales then poorly translated into our language and
>> manipulated over the years to fit current religious ideas.
>Maybe yours is. Mine isn't.
>MOF, there are many well verified historically reported occurrences in the
>Bible.
And there are many well questioned or disproven historically reported
occurrences as well. The trick is to use your God-given intelligence to
learn the facts and ascertain the difference.
>do you deny the Crucifixion Of Christ? Historians don't.
No, they don't. But a lot of them neither affirm the religious
significance Christians attach to it nor accept the traditions and
interpretations that are drawn from it.
--
Don
don...@covad.net
Don Kirkman
I assume you're referring to the ones who keep trying to turn these
cardiology and diabetes groups into a revival meeting?
--
Don
don...@covad.net
Don Kirkman
in article <815c94d6.04120...@posting.google.com>:
>"Budd Cochran" <mr-...@citlinkSPAM.net> wrote in message news:<uGFrd.5932$171....@news01.roc.ny>...
>> One person's trash just might be another's hope.
>When someone complains about a cross post, they are actually
>complaining about the content of the post because in truth, the real
>difference between a "cross-post" and a regular post are the few extra
>characters in the header which one only "notices" when bothered by the
>content of the post.
>Truth is simple.
Yes, sometimes, but first you have to know the truth, which doesn't show
up in your explanation. A cross post sends a single message across the
internet, and at each participating server it is cross-indexed so it can
be downloaded and read from each newsgroup to which it is addressed.
This minimizes the resources needed to transmit and store the message.
Posting a number of identical messages to individual newsgroups requires
transmission and storage of a separate message for each newsgroup to
which it is addressed.
Multiplied by the millions of messages passing through the internet, the
savings can be significant for large trunk lines and server
installations.
OTOH, cross posts are wasteful of the time and resources of individuals
when they are posted into newsgroups for which the content is of no
interest or is not within the purview of the goals for which the
newsgroup was formed such as, for instance, cardiology and diabetes in
these two groups.
The truth is out there. Seek and ye may find it.
--
Don
don...@covad.net
MU
> Jesus was nothing more than a political activist of his day (a member of the
> essene tribe) whose name was hijacked after his "death" (he lived for many
> years after the crucifixion in Kashmir in India and eventually died in the
> south of France having had several children and grandchildren) to start a
> religion to give hope to the oppressed jews by fulfilling their "saviour"
> prophecy.
>
> Phildo
Interesting. In an inane, sorta nutzoid way. Care to reveal your sources on
this extrapolation of HisStory?
MU
> Great, another ignorant Bush fan. *Plonk*.
Plonk this, a Kerry fan.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
There is nothing you can write that will change the truth that has been
described. If you were able to discern the truth, you would have known
not to bother with your attempt.
You remain in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Christ's holy name.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
So your choice is to continue to love the darkness.
> Her message is a pastiche of catch-phrases popular among the
> literalistic preachers of the 20th and 21st centuries.
Your judgment.
> John (who actually was teaching through the above, not Jesus) was
> interpreting the central point in Christian theology.
It seems you have not read the Holy Bible for comprehension. It is clear
that John is a vessel for Christ here. The quotes are a helpful clue.
You remain in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Christ's precious
name.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Phildo
Lots of research on my part from various sources. Only one I can think of
off the top of my head was a book by Dolores Cannon called "In the Steps of
the Real Jesus"
Phildo
MU
>>Let's not forget Useneters who want to "own" their little piece of notreal
>>estate, control unmoderated forums and shut out anyone who dares to offer
>>discussion that challenges their points of view.
>
> I assume you're referring to the ones who keep trying to turn these
> cardiology and diabetes groups into a revival meeting?
You assume incorrectly.
MU
> cross posts are wasteful of the time and resources of individuals
> when they are posted into newsgroups for which the content is of no
> interest or is not within the purview of the goals for which the
> newsgroup was formed such as, for instance, cardiology and diabetes in
> these two groups.
Lay down your cystal ball, Don. You can speak for no one but yourself.
MU
>>MOF, there are many well verified historically reported occurrences in the
>>Bible.
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 16:42:25 -0800, Don Kirkman wrote:
> And there are many well questioned or disproven historically reported
> occurrences as well. The trick is to use your God-given intelligence to
> learn the facts and ascertain the difference.
There is not trick and if there was, it certainly would not have to do with
human capabilities of interpretation. I look to the Inspiration (Original
Author) for The Word. Do you call on Nietzhcke to interpret Leis Carroll?
>>do you deny the Crucifixion Of Christ? Historians don't.
>
> No, they don't. But a lot of them neither affirm the religious
> significance Christians attach to it nor accept the traditions and
> interpretations that are drawn from it.
Nice comment but not part of the direction of this piece of this thread
which concerns the historical accuracy of the Bible.
Bob (this one)
> I look to the Inspiration (Original Author) for The Word.
And I bet in the original languages, too. Or do you believe that if
English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for you?
> Do you call on Nietzhcke to interpret Leis Carroll?
Noe. I call Johfn Greashum.
Illiterate, hilarious fool.
Bob
Bob (this one)
So you are trying to turn them into revival meetings? Or is it just
trying to eliminate the smart people who see through your fakery and
bluster?
Take your time...
Bob
Bob (this one)
> Nice comment but not part of the direction of this piece of this thread
> which concerns the historical accuracy of the Bible.
Start with the flood, MU_sclehead. Prove it happened with geological
evidence. That piece of "history" was, shall we say, a tad overstated
from it's original sources in Gilgamesh.
The talk about how Noah built the largest wooden craft ever
constructed with hand tools and only a few workers, none of whom had
ever built a ship before.
Then tell me where that dove found an olive branch after the earth was
submerged for months. Dead trees would have been the legacy.
Then tell me what all those thousands of animals ate and where it was
stored.
The bible is not an absolutely literal record of historical events.
Lots of them, yes. All, no.
Next case.
Bob
MU
Ever read the OT/NT in its entirety, several times, using different
interpretations? Don't lie, Jesus is listening.
MU
> Start with the flood, MU_sclehead. Prove it happened with geological
> evidence.
For a God you defame, defile and abuse, a God you do not believe in, why is
it, Bob, that you waste so much of what little time you have left on earth
hating him publicly?
There is only one answer. You have truly crossed over into psychosis.
I would wish that you seek help but, honestly, you are so far down my list
of priorities, I could care less if you do or if you don't.
Phildo
> Ever read the OT/NT in its entirety, several times, using different
> interpretations? Don't lie, Jesus is listening.
Nope, I have no desire to do so. If I want fairy stories I get a much better
read from Terry Pratchett.
Phildo
MU
> "MU" <muno...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> Ever read the OT/NT in its entirety, several times, using different
>> interpretations? Don't lie, Jesus is listening.
On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 18:40:42 -0000, Phildo wrote:
> Nope, I have no desire to do so. If I want fairy stories I get a much better
> read from Terry Pratchett.
>
> Phildo
Then I would suggest before you comment on whether Jesus if fictional or
not, that you do so.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It seems that Bob has this irrational fear of floods. Maybe he has a basement
that floods all the time :-)
Phildo
>>> Ever read the OT/NT in its entirety, several times, using different
>>> interpretations? Don't lie, Jesus is listening.
>>
>> better
>> read from Terry Pratchett.
>>
>
> not, that you do so.
Nah, no need. I already know where the bible came from, how it has been
mistranslated, rewritten to suit current religious dogma and distorted
throughout history. It is hardly an accurate reference volume. Luckily the
people who did the research I used to draw my conclusions from have read the
bible in the way you say. The difference is they are also aware of its
history.
Jesus certainly wasn't a fictional character. He existed and that existence
was recorded. He was not the son of god, most of what he did and said has
been attributed to him but mostly came from other people or was fabricated
and he was nothing more than a political activist of his day whose name was
hijacked to start a religion.
Oh, and he's not listening. He died a very long time ago.
One thing to think about though, you loony bible bashers keep saying he's
coming back. Do you really want that to happen? Presuming he is what you
mistakenly believe he was, when he sees how you've twisted his words,
corrupted his teachings, f*cked up the world his father created and used his
existence as an excuse to commit the worst atrocities this planet has seen,
don't you think he will be a little bit pissed? If JC was to come back
tomorrow verily would he smite the US down to the pit of hell in an instant.
Same goes for any of the gods. Allah would go nuts if he saw how his words
were used to kill thousands on 11/9. Do you really want to believe they
exist?
Phildo
MU
>
>> On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 11:11:40 -0500, Bob (this one) wrote:
>>
>>> Start with the flood, MU_sclehead. Prove it happened with geological
>>> evidence.
> MU wrote:
>> For a God you defame, defile and abuse, a God you do not believe in, why is
>> it, Bob, that you waste so much of what little time you have left on earth
>> hating him publicly?
>>
>> There is only one answer. You have truly crossed over into psychosis.
>>
>> I would wish that you seek help but, honestly, you are so far down my list
>> of priorities, I could care less if you do or if you don't.
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:37:06 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> It seems that Bob has this irrational fear of floods. Maybe he has a basement
> that floods all the time :-)
>
> Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
>
> Andrew
Irrationality drives him to the heights of kookines he has ascribed to,
that is for certain. I don't get to come around much anymore but nothing
changes with thsis Satan filled nutcase.
Which brings a question to mind. There are no lost causes that Christ
cannot fix but I in terms of realistic expectations, Cheffie has to be a
bottom feeder. It's not enough that he has no remorse for his vilifications
of Christ, or thanks for God saving his pitiful life, even as he walks on
the edge of death with his cardiac disease(s). he has to go waaaaay out of
his way, denying time from friend and family, to do so. It's actually
suicidal wen you look at it.
I have met hardcore Sunni Muslim "insurgents" who, at least, ignored
Christianity. Bob Pastorio slides farther down the list for potential
salvation than they do. At least they respect, to a degree, Christians and
their committments to religious servitude.
But not Cheffie. He has nothing, no servitude whatsoever other than to his
own ego and to fuel his host of hatreds. He's not lost, he's in another
universe of darkness I rarely have seen before, war time or not.
The question then becomes one of priorities. There is only so much time and
so much space in a Christian's heart and Bob hasn't a chance of getting any
place in there. Seriously, the closest I came to getting popped was on
Haifu Street and the Marines took "offense" at being shot at. They dragged
this Iraqi into the streets to assassinate him right there and then. For
some reason, they didn't and I later ran across him in detention. Where he
promptly tossed his urine in the face of one of the Majors. He was crying
out to Allah, as best as I could tell, and I thought to myself "Will Christ
save this man from damnation?"
Now I look and see Cheffie carrying on his endless war of self-destruction
and I swear, Andrew, that poor slob of a Muslim has a better chance, and a
higher priority, than Bob Pastorio of finding Christ.
Which brings me to the end of this "rant". I got my final release coming 12
Dec and I'm home, stateside, unless I choose to vacation :), for good.
Will call.
Mu
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Excellent. I believe Ed Mathes has written that he will be visiting Atlanta at that
time. Perhaps others like Carey Gregory would also like to visit (bringing his
$10,000.00 of course) and we can settle a few things :-)
May God continue to protect you with His armor, in Christ's holy name.
May all non-christians consider the following as their logic should dictate before
it is too late:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the
great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a
number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the
cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace
[who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it
not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet
:-)
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Bob (this one)
>>>On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 11:11:40 -0500, Bob (this one) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Start with the flood, MU_sclehead. Prove it happened with geological
>>>>evidence.
>
>>MU wrote:
>
>>>For a God you defame, defile and abuse, a God you do not believe in, why is
>>>it, Bob, that you waste so much of what little time you have left on earth
>>>hating him publicly?
<LOL> Right. MU_ffler can't answer the question, so I hate God. And
you think Aristotle was good with logic.
How stupid can you be? You asked for a challenge and here it is. Prove
that there was a global flood and take your head out of your ass.
Probably too many tasks all at once.
>>>There is only one answer. You have truly crossed over into psychosis.
Still practicing psychiatry, huh? You aren't any better at than than
writing a simple, coherent sentence.
>>>I would wish that you seek help but, honestly, you are so far down my list
>>>of priorities, I could care less if you do or if you don't.
So, no proof, huh...?
> On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:37:06 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
>>It seems that Bob has this irrational fear of floods. Maybe he has a basement
>>that floods all the time :-)
Still no proof despite Chung's asserting that there's geological
evidence for it. Not one citation that would support his position,
though. Two guys, zero proofs. About par for them.
> Irrationality drives him to the heights of kookines he has ascribed to,
<LOL> MU_stard doesn't know what "ascribed" means.
> that is for certain. I don't get to come around much anymore but nothing
> changes with thsis Satan filled nutcase.
So, still no evidence for a global flood, huh...? Nothing but the
usual vituperation instead of content. Shocked, I tell you.
> Which brings a question to mind. There are no lost causes that Christ
> cannot fix but I in terms of realistic expectations, Cheffie has to be a
> bottom feeder. It's not enough that he has no remorse for his vilifications
> of Christ, or thanks for God saving his pitiful life, even as he walks on
> the edge of death with his cardiac disease(s). he has to go waaaaay out of
> his way, denying time from friend and family, to do so. It's actually
> suicidal wen you look at it.
<LOL> Utterly zany. So there's a pronouncement form MU_dpack that the
bible is absolutely historically accurate. But when queried about it,
what does he do? The same old, same old aspersions, diversions and
dissembling...
Ranting and raving. Denigrating. Nothing any more substantial with
that then with his other inflated claims to have done so many things
and been so many things and - funny thing - not one... NOT ONE shred
of substantiation for any of it. Looks like a very serious self-esteem
problem, Sonny.
> Which brings me to the end of this "rant". I got my final release coming 12
> Dec and I'm home, stateside, unless I choose to vacation :), for good.
Right. Rant indeed. Then you can take Mrs. MU_x and the kids in your
RV and camp out in Dollywood again. Tell you what. Take a remedial
reading tape with you. It could only help. Maybe a geology book.
Bob
Phildo
"Bob (this one)" <B...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:10r4bmi...@corp.supernews.com...
> Still no proof despite Chung's asserting that there's geological evidence
> for it. Not one citation that would support his position, though. Two
> guys, zero proofs. About par for them.
>
religions have a flood myth of some kind. It's a pretty sure fire bet it did
happen, just not the way they tell it in the bible.
Phildo
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Bob (this one)" <B...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:10r4bmi...@corp.supernews.com...
> > Still no proof despite Chung's asserting that there's geological evidence
> > for it. Not one citation that would support his position, though. Two
> > guys, zero proofs. About par for them.
> >
> Actually there is a lot of geological evidence for a major flood.
Ssshhhhh! You will frighten Bob. Now, he won't be able to sleep tonight.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Bob (this one)
> Phildo wrote:
>
>>"Bob (this one)" <B...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:10r4bmi...@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>>Still no proof despite Chung's asserting that there's geological evidence
>>>for it. Not one citation that would support his position, though. Two
>>>guys, zero proofs. About par for them.
>>>
>>Actually there is a lot of geological evidence for a major flood.
>
> Ssshhhhh! You will frighten Bob. Now, he won't be able to sleep tonight.
<LOL> Right. But I notice neither of you proponents have anything to
back it up. Evidence? Post it. And the words are "global flood" - a
flood that encompasses the entire world. That's what Chung says there
was. Not just a "major flood." The whole world.
There are many flood legends around the world. They all have variant
conclusions and differing causes. But they don't tie together
chronologically, geologically or culturally.
<http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html>
Maybe go read a bit and get back to me when you have some good
explanation for your assertion of a world-encompassing flood that was
15 cubits deep over all the land. That would make it more than 29,000
feet deep to cover Everest (where the climbers eat as much as they can
get down before and during their climbs. Like they've said many times
online and in books).
Brief excerpts from that web site...
In fact, is there any reason at all why the Flood story should be
taken literally? Jesus used parables; why wouldn't God do so, too?
The bible mentions that the earth is flat:
Daniel 4
10 These are the visions I saw while lying in my bed: I looked, and
there before me stood a tree in the middle of the land. Its height was
enormous. 11 The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the
sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth.
Matthew 4
8Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all
the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.
Does a global flood make the whole Bible less credible? Davis Young,
an Evangelical and geologist, wrote [p. 163]:
"The maintenance of modern creationism and Flood geology not only
is useless apologetically with unbelieving scientists, it is harmful.
Although many who have no scientific training have been swayed by
creationist arguments, the unbelieving scientist will reason that a
Christianity that believes in such nonsense must be a religion not
worthy of his interest. . . . Modern creationism in this sense is
apologetically and evangelistically ineffective. It could even be a
hindrance to the gospel.
"Another possible danger is that in presenting the gospel to the
lost and in defending God's truth we ourselves will seem to be false.
It is time for Christian people to recognize that the defense of this
modern, young-Earth, Flood-geology creationism is simply not truthful.
It is simply not in accord with the facts that God has given.
Creationism must be abandoned by Christians before harm is done..."
Bob
Bob (this one)
> "Bob (this one)" <B...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:10r4bmi...@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>Still no proof despite Chung's asserting that there's geological evidence
>>for it. Not one citation that would support his position, though. Two
>>guys, zero proofs. About par for them.
>>
>
> Actually there is a lot of geological evidence for a major flood.
No. There isn't. There's a lot of crackpot "creationist science" (an
exemplar among oxymorons) that tries very hard to make the story cover
a lot of what the empirical world shows. They fail utterly.
Beyond that, the flood was ostensibly around 2500 BC. There are
records for several global societies that cover that time period with
no interruption. Tree rings going back as far as 10,000 years exist
with nothing like what would be the case if flooded. Ice cores from
glaciers show no such phenomenon - they would have floated up off the
land like huge icebergs. Nope.
> Also, most
> religions have a flood myth of some kind. It's a pretty sure fire bet it did
> happen, just not the way they tell it in the bible.
Actually, *it* didn't happen; *they* probably did happen. *Many* small
local and regional floods that become magnified and amplified in
preliterate societies where all legendary information was passed
orally. Most religions don't have flood legends. Some cultures do.
Read the section in Gilgamesh that covers a flood and see where the
biblical story came from.
Bob
MU
>> not, that you do so.
On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:42:18 -0000, Phildo wrote:
> Nah, no need. I already know where the bible came from, how it has been
> mistranslated, rewritten to suit current religious dogma and distorted
> throughout history. It is hardly an accurate reference volume.
lol
You "know" all this b/c you read someone else who (might have) read the
Bible, is that correct?
And this person "knows" for a fact that Jesus was fictional, correct?
MU
> I believe Ed Mathes has written that he will be visiting Atlanta at that
> time. Perhaps others like Carey Gregory would also like to visit (bringing his
> $10,000.00 of course) and we can settle a few things :-)
I would like to meet with Mathes when he gets here. Gregory isn't going to
come, he's just a bloweasy.
MU
> Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
>> Ssshhhhh! You will frighten Bob. Now, he won't be able to sleep tonight.
>
> <LOL> Right. But I notice..
<snipped unread and lenghty whatever>
Bob, Bob, Bob, which words did you not understand when I said "I am not
wasting my time reading your "see Bob type, see Bob please himself" posts
that are as long winded as you are?
MU
> <LOL> Utterly zany. So there's a pronouncement form MU_dpack that the
> bible is absolutely historically accurate.
Never said that MOF have made several statements to the contrary. Google is
not your friend; it takes your lies and sets them straight.
Phildo
>>> Then I would suggest before you comment on whether Jesus if fictional or
>>> not, that you do so.
>
> On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:42:18 -0000, Phildo wrote:
>
>> Nah, no need. I already know where the bible came from, how it has been
>> mistranslated, rewritten to suit current religious dogma and distorted
>> throughout history. It is hardly an accurate reference volume.
>
> lol
>
> You "know" all this b/c you read someone else who (might have) read the
> Bible, is that correct?
No, it is because I have studied the history of the bible and the evolution
of the xtian faith and am not taken in by the brainwashing.
> And this person "knows" for a fact that Jesus was fictional, correct?
You seem to be confused. There is no "person". I have read several volumes
on the topic by several different authors.
Phildo
Bob (this one)
<LOL> I sympathize. After a blow to my head, I couldn't concentrate on
anything more difficult than, say Sponge Bob. Well, for a while,
anyway. Seems you haven't gotten through that at all. How long's it
been...? Years, it seems.
Bob
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Those who love the darkness choose to take the word of the dead and the
dying over the Word of the living God, Whom I love with all my heart,
soul, mind, and strength :-) This would be an informed choice.
Such is the work I am called to do.
It is written in Ephesians 2:
10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with the
Creator of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time because
there will be an infinite amount of it. Walking about aimlessly
thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your* labor,
*your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is tantamount to
self-worship.
For Christ lights up the way through John 14:
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes
to the Father except through me..."
This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree for
the untruthful folks such as yourself, neighbor, who have chosen to walk
in the "dark":
(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.
(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.
Benefits: Nothing.
Again, one has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, Steve, Bob, Zee,
Frank, Hawki, Rolando, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not
thought out their decision *logically*.
Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example of
untruthfully eloquent self-worship (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers out
of Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring him
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29A236C9 and more recently
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V25D312E9). All this power belongs to God
who has judged Bob Pastorio with His Word
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)
You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Christ's holy
name.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.
Please do consider the following as your logic should dictate before it
is too late:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His
presence known here on Usenet :-)
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
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MU
>> lol
>>
>> You "know" all this b/c you read someone else who (might have) read the
>> Bible, is that correct?
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:40:19 -0000, Phildo wrote:
> No, it is because I have studied the history of the bible and the evolution
> of the xtian faith and am not taken in by the brainwashing.
>
>> And this person "knows" for a fact that Jesus was fictional, correct?
>
> You seem to be confused. There is no "person". I have read several volumes
> on the topic by several different authors.
Amazing. You conclude that Jesus is fictional without reading even the New
Testament.
That will end this discussion with you on this subject.
Phildo
Not at all. If you had actually bothered to read what I said you would have
seen that I said Jesus was not fictional but that he certainly wasn't the
person described in the bible. The bible itself is highly inaccurate and
biased and there are far more reliable books on Jesus out there. You do not
have to have read the bible to know the truth.
> That will end this discussion with you on this subject.
Can't handle the truth eh?
Phildo
Bob (this one)
It just occurred to me how much effort you put forth to not read what
I post. <LOL> Replies to posts not directed to you. Replies to posts
that deal with subjects you know nothing about (most thing). Replies
to posts showing the transparent fraudulence of Chung. Replies to
posts that you have to go looking for...
What a funny guy you are, Dopey. Where are the other dwarves?
Bob
Phildo
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
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> Those who love the darkness choose to take the word of the dead and the
> dying over the Word of the living God,
Sorry, but everyone who wrote the bible from the initial authors to the
religious leaders that followed (who regularly rewrote huge passages of it
to suit their needs at the time) are long dead. God didn't write the bible,
man did. God doesn't exist.
> Whom I love with all my heart,
> soul, mind, and strength :-) This would be an informed choice.
There's one born every minute. You might be dumb enough to fall for the
religion con trick but I am not.
> It is written in Ephesians 2:
"it is written" means nothing because the bible is a work of fiction.
Of course if you still believe it means something then for it is written:
"Chain letters," said the Tyrant. "The Chain Letter to the Ephebians. Forget
Your Gods. Be Subjugated. Learn to Fear. Do not break the chain -- the last
people who did woke up one morning to find fifty thousand armed men on their
lawn.
"It's a god-eat-god world."
"You can't trample infidels when you're a tortoise. I mean, all you could do
is give them a meaningful look."
"His philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -- the Cynics, the
Stoics and the Epicureans -- and summed up all three of them in his famous
phrase, "You can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and
there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink."
History, contrary to popular theories, is kings and dates and battles.
And it came to pass that in time the Great God Om spake unto Brutha, the
Chosen One and verily he said "Psst!"
Brother Preptil, the master of the music, had described Brutha's voice as
putting him in mind of a disappointed vulture arriving too late at the dead
donkey.
"Pets are always a great help in times of stress. And in times of starvation
too, o'course."
Words are the litmus paper of the minds. If you find yourself in the power
of someone who will use the word "commence" in cold blood, go somewhere else
very quickly. But if they say "Enter", don't stop to pack.
Bishops move diagonally. That's why they often turn up where the kings
don't expect them to be.
"Eureka," he said. "Going to have a bath then?"
Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.
REMIND ME AGAIN, he said, HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE.
"Go on, do Deformed Rabbit... it's my favourite."
"Oh, a very useful philosophical animal, your average tortoise. Outrunning
metaphorical arrows, beating hares in races... very handy."
Gravity is a habit that is hard to shake off.
The trouble with being a god is that you've got no one to pray to.
There are hardly any excesses of the most crazed psychopath that cannot
easily be duplicated by a normal kindly family man who just comes in to work
every day and has a job to do.
The people who really run organizations are usually found several levels
down, where it is still possible to get things done.
Guilt was the grease in which the wheels of the authority turned.
Most gods find it hard to walk and think at the same time.
When the least they could do to you was everything, then the most they could
do to you suddenly held no terror.
"What's a philosopher ?" said Brutha. "Someone who's bright enough to find a
job with no heavy lifting," said a voice in his head.
"Slave is an Ephebian word. In Om we have no word for slave," said Vorbis.
"So I understand," said the Tyrant. "I imagine that fish have no word for
water."
"He says gods like to see an atheist around. Gives them something to aim
at."
"You're not one of us." "I don't think I'm one of them, either," said
Brutha. "I'm one of mine."
Simony's eyes gleamed with the gleam of a man who had seen the future and
found it covered with armour plating.
"All holy piety in public, and all peeled grapes and self-indulgence in
private."
When you can flatten entire cities at a whim, a tendency towards quiet
reflection and seeing-things-from-the-other-fellow's-point- of-view is
seldom necessary.
"Take it from me, whenever you see a bunch of buggers puttering around
talking about truth and beauty and the best way of attacking Ethics, you can
bet your sandals it's all because dozens of other poor buggers are doing all
the real work around the place."
"Why do you bother with him? He's had thousands of people killed!" "Yes,
but perhaps he thought that you wanted it."
The figures looked more or less human. And they were engaged in religion.
You could tell by the knives (it's not murder if you do it for a god).
The trouble was that he was talking in philosophy, but they were listening
in gibberish.
"He's muffed it," said Simony. "he could have done anything with them. And
he just told them the facts. You can't inspire people with facts. They need
a cause. They need a symbol."
"You can't find a hermit to teach you herming, because of course that
rather spoils the whole thing."
Om began to feel the acute depression that steals over every realist in
the presence of an optimist.
"All the other prophets came back with commandments!" "Where they get
them?" "I ... suppose they made them up." "You get them from the same
place."
Brutha tried to nod, and thought: I'm on everyone's side. It'd be nice if,
just for once, someone was on mine.
Probably the last man who knew how it worked had been tortured to death
years before. Or as soon as it was installed. Killing the creator was a
traditional method of patent protection.
Give anyone a lever long enough and they can change the world. It's
unreliable levers that are the problem.
"Now we've got a truth to die for!" "No. Men should die for lies. But the
truth is too precious to die for."
YOU HAVE PERHAPS HEARD THE PHRASE THAT HELL IS OTHER PEOPLE? "Yes. Yes, of
course." Death nodded. IN TIME, he said, YOU WILL LEARN THAT IT IS WRONG.
"I used to think that I was stupid, and then I met philosophers."
"I like the idea of democracy. You have to have someone everyone
distrusts," said Brutha. "That way, everyone's happy."
"That's why it's always worth having a few philosophers around the place.
One minute it's all Is Truth Beauty and Is Beauty Truth, and Does A Falling
Tree in the Forest Make A Sound if There's No one There to Hear It, and then
just when you think they're going to start dribbling one of 'em says,
Incidentally, putting a thirty-foot parabolic reflector on a high place to
shoot the rays of the sun at an enemy's ships would be a very interesting
demonstration of optical principles."
(Terry Pratchett, Small Gods)
That book is just about as truthful and accurate as the bible so by your
logic everything in there should be true.
Phildo
Cheri
Ignorant twits.
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Cheri
Phildo wrote in message <31dahuF...@individual.net>...
>
>"MU" <muno...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
MU
> BTW "Prophacy", is spelled prophecy.
> Ignorant twits.
Speaking of stupidity, then why didn't you change it?
MU
>> Bob, Bob, Bob, which words did you not understand when I said "I am not
>> wasting my time reading your "see Bob type, see Bob please himself" posts
>> that are as long winded as you are?
On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 12:57:42 -0500, Bob (this one) wrote:
> It just occurred to me how much effort you put forth to not read what
> I post
About one fiftieth of what it takes for you to post it, Bob.
Cheri
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Phildo
"Cheri" <gser...@inreachnogarbage.com> wrote in message
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>I like to leave you trolls twisting in the wind...it makes me feel good.
>
Phildo
Ken Davey
I LIKE the way you think.
Ken.
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It seems he suffers terribly when you ignore him.
This would be a classic symptom of self-worship.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:1102268659.SlR/JBcVB8Ww2IbiV3fm9w@teranews...
> > Those who love the darkness choose to take the word of the dead and the
> > dying over the Word of the living God,
>
> Sorry, but everyone who wrote the bible from the initial authors to the
> religious leaders that followed (who regularly rewrote huge passages of it
> to suit their needs at the time) are long dead.
Newsflash:
The Word of God transcends the written word of men.
Similarly the truth that is God trumps logic which is the crutch of men
who are unable to discern the truth.
You remain informed in your choice.
Such is the work I am called to do.
It is written in Ephesians 2:
10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
Benefits: Nothing.
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)
You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Christ's holy
name.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.
Please do consider the following as your logic should dictate before it
is too late:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His
presence known here on Usenet :-)
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Phildo
> Newsflash:
>
> The Word of God transcends the written word of men.
Says who? Sorry to tell you this but God has never written one single word
because he does not exist.
> Similarly the truth that is God trumps logic which is the crutch of men
> who are unable to discern the truth.
A belief in god is an emotional crutch to fill the emotional void left in an
empty life.
> It is written in Ephesians 2:
<snip>
It is written in the gospel according to Pratchett:
Agnes: "It's all right ... as witches we believe in religious toleration..."
Nanny Ogg: "That's right. But only for the right religions, so you watch
your step!"
It was because he was so very good at old languages that he'd been allowed
to study in the new libraries that were springing up around the Citadel, and
this had been fresh ground for worry, because the seeker after truth had
found truth instead. The Third Journey of the Prophet Cena, for example,
seemed remarkably like a retranslation of the Testament of Sand in the
Laotan Book of the Whole. On one shelf alone he found forty-three remarkably
similar accounts of a great flood, and in every single one of them a man
very much like Bishop Horn had saved the elect of mankind by building a
magical boat. ... Of course these stories in the chronicles of other
religions were mere folktales and myth, while the voyage detailed in the
Book of Cena was holy truth. But nevertheless...
"You say that you people don't burn folk and sacrifice people any more, but
that's what true faith would mean, y'see? Sacrificin' your own life, one day
at a time, to the flame, declarin' the truth of it, workin' for it,
breathin' the soul of it. That's religion. Anything else is just ... is just
bein' nice. And a way of keeping in touch with the neighbors."
The [sermon] singing wasn't very enthusiastic, though, until Oats tossed
aside the noisome songbook and taught them some of the songs he remembered
from his grandmother, full of fire and thunder and death and justice and
tunes you could actually whistle ... Lancre people weren't too concerned
about religion, but they knew what it ought to sound like.
"You said we," he said. "Where's everyone else?" "They got religion.".
Rincewind looked up at the statue of Quezovercoatl. It took no imagination
whatsoever to imagine what kind. The flat top of the truncated pyramid was
in fact quite large, with plenty of room for statues, priests, slabs,
gutters, knife-chipping production lines and all the other things the
Tezumen needed for the bulk disposal of religion.
The prayers of most religions generally praise and thank the gods involved,
either out of general piety or in the hope that he or she will take the hint
and start acting responsibly.
Constable Visit[-The-Infidel-With-Explainatory-Pamphlets] was an Omnian,
whose country's traditional approach to evangelism was to put unbelievers to
torture and the sword. Things had become a lot more civilized these days but
Omnians still had a strenuous and indefatigable approach to spreading the
Word, and had merely changed the nature of the weapons. Constable Visit
spent his days off in company with his co-religionist
Smite-The-Unbeliever-With-Cunning-Arguments, ringing doorbells and causing
people to hide behind the furniture everywhere in the city.
Beef cattle have a religion. They are deeply spiritual animals. They believe
that good and obedient cattle go to a better place when they die, through a
magic door. They don't know what happens next, but they've ehard that it
involves really good eating and, for some reason, horseradish.
Voodoo is a very interesting religion for the whole family, even those
members of it who are dead.
It was then that Marvin got religion. Not the quiet, personal kind, that
involves doing good deed and living a better life; not even the kind that
involves putting on a suit and ringing people's doorbells; but he kind that
involves having your own TV network and getting people to send you money.
A number of religions in Ankh-Morpork still practiced human sacrifice,
except that they didn't really need to practice any more because they had
got so good at it. City law said that only condemned criminals should be
used, but that was all right because in most of the religions refusing to
volunteer for sacrifice was an offence punishable by death.
In the clear air, the stars drilled down out of the sky, reminding any
thoughtful watcher that it is in the deserts and high places that religions
are generated. When men see nothing but bottomless infinity over their heads
they have always had a driving and desperate urge to find someone to put in
the way.
There were temples, their doors wide open, filling the streets with the
sounds of gongs, cymbals, and, in the case of some of the more conservative
fundamentalist religions, the brief screams of the victims.
Dios was maximum high priest to a national religion that had fermented and
accreted and bubbled for more than seven thousand years and never threw a
god away in case it turned out to be useful. He know that a great many
mutually-contradictory things were all true.
The figures looked more or less human. And they were engaged in religion.
You could tell by the knives (it's not murder if you do it for a god).
Om: I Don't Seem To Recall Any Discussion About Other Gods Being Worshipped
Im Omnia?
Brutha: "Ah, but it'll work for you. People will soon see that those other
ones are no good at all, won't they?"
Om: This Is Religion, Boy, Not Comparison Bloody Shopping. You Shall Not
Subject Your God To Market Forces!
"Saitan has a lot of relatives in these parts," said Kin.. "It is a strange
religion. Everyone is evil until proven holy."
Few religions are definite about the size of Heaven, but on the planet Earth
the Book of Revelation (ch. XXI, v.16) gives it as a cube 12,000 furlongs on
a side. This is somewhat less than 500,000,000,000,000,000,000 cubic feet.
Even allowing that the Heavenly Host and other essential services take up at
least two thirds of this space, this leaves about one million cubic feet of
space for each human occupant ... This is such a generous amount of space
that it suggests that room has also been provided for some alien races or --
a happy thought -- that pets are allowed.
In fact Rincewind never spoke to this particular tree again, but from that
brief conversation it spun the basis of the first tree religion which, in
time, swept the forests of the world. Its tenet of faith was this: a tree
that was a good tree, and led a clean, decent and upstanding life, could be
assured of a future life after death. If it was very good indeed it would
eventually be reincarnated as five thousand rolls of lavatory paper.
Rincewind: "...they're going to sacrifice her, if you must know."
Twoflower: "What, kill her?"
Rincewind: "Yes."
Twoflower: "Why?"
Rincewind: "Don't ask me. To make the crops grow or the moon rise or
something. Or maybe they're just keen on killing people. That's religion for
you."
Whole religions have been inspired by the sight of a figure emerging,
miraculously, from the sea. It would be hard to guess at what strange cult
might be inspired by the thing now trudging out of the waves, although
avoidance of strong drink and certainly of seafood would probably be high on
its list of "don'ts".
All religions are true, for a given value of "truth."
SCIENCE: A way of finding things out and then making them work. Science
explains what is happening around us the whole time. So does RELIGION, but
science is better because it comes up with more understandable excuses when
it is wrong. There is a lot more Science than you think.
In fact no gods anywhere play chess. They haven't got the imagination. They
prefer simple, vicious games, where you Do Not Achieve Transcendence but Go
Straight to Oblivion; a key to the understanding of all religion is that a
god's idea of amusement is Snakes and Ladders with greased rungs.
Phildo
Don Kirkman
<k42c7vskm0eh.12...@40tude.net>:
>>>MOF, there are many well verified historically reported occurrences in the
>>>Bible.
>On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 16:42:25 -0800, Don Kirkman wrote:
>> And there are many well questioned or disproven historically reported
>> occurrences as well. The trick is to use your God-given intelligence to
>> learn the facts and ascertain the difference.
>There is not trick and if there was, it certainly would not have to do with
>human capabilities of interpretation. I look to the Inspiration (Original
>Author) for The Word. Do you call on Nietzhcke to interpret Leis Carroll?
Ludicrous analogy. I call on historians, archeologists, linguists, and
others who can provide credible evidence on what ideas were in the
cultures within which the scriptures were written, who know how the
words and idioms were used, or who know of parallel sources to **some**
of the biblical themes. You and your ilk treat the Bible like a book of
magic incantations; you just pull a few words out of context and use
them with no relationship to what the original author meant or what
audience he was addressing.
You apparently subscribe to the "kindly old gaffer in the sky dictating
to a bunch of guys who had no idea of the meaning of what they were
writing down but we can discern the meaning for ourselves--we don't need
no stinkin' facts" school of Biblical interpretation
.
The trick is to use your God-given intelligence. I see no evidence that
you or the other "defenders of the faith" here are willing to do that
(and sometimes wonder if you're even capable of it).
>>>do you deny the Crucifixion Of Christ? Historians don't.
>> No, they don't. But a lot of them neither affirm the religious
>> significance Christians attach to it nor accept the traditions and
>> interpretations that are drawn from it.
>Nice comment but not part of the direction of this piece of this thread
>which concerns the historical accuracy of the Bible.
Certainly is, since their learned opinions are relevant evidence of how
trustworthy the "historical accuracy" of the Bible is. The bottom line:
not very. You have two creation stories that can only be reconciled by
imaginative explanation, three different versions of who slew Goliath,
flood stories paralleled in surrounding cultures, bits of "historical
accuracy" based on faulty translations*. You also have love poetry that
was probably slightly unusual for its time, visions, political arguments
and discussions, and religious tracts for the times (Daniel, Revelation,
Esther).
* For simple instance
Joseph's "coat of many colors" should be translated "a coat/cloak with
long sleeves", symbolic of luxury.
"The valley of the shadow of death" is an idiom that means "the deep
dark valley."
--
Don
don...@covad.net
Don Kirkman
in article <1102136301.VKLEYh82pUkfglZoE6zM3Q@teranews>:
>Don Kirkman wrote:
>> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
>> in article <1102048484.CYpP5kp0zg3B8sHSufSChw@teranews>:
[...]
>> >Carol paraphrased what Lord Jesus Christ teaches through John 3:
>> >16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that
>> >whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For
>> >God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to
>> >save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned,
>> >but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not
>> >believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19This is the verdict:
>> >Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light
>> >because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light,
>> >and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be
>> >exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that
>> >it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."
>> Sorry, but Carol's message is in no way a paraphrase of what you quote
>> here.
>So your choice is to continue to love the darkness.
My choice is to expose the reality of the Biblical citation and of
Carol's very different post. YMMV
>> Her message is a pastiche of catch-phrases popular among the
>> literalistic preachers of the 20th and 21st centuries.
>Your judgment.
Supported by many years of observing and even at times consorting with
those who use such catch-phrases.
>> John (who actually was teaching through the above, not Jesus) was
>> interpreting the central point in Christian theology.
>It seems you have not read the Holy Bible for comprehension. It is clear
>that John is a vessel for Christ here. The quotes are a helpful clue.
I have not only read it for comprehension, I have read parts of it in
different languages including the originals to be sure I understood its
intent. I do not trust intuition and discernment unbolstered by facts.
Apparently I missed your explanation of why you jumped in on "Carol's
thread," which of course you never do.
>You remain in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Christ's precious
>name.
Your mantra; wish it were meaningful.
--
Don
don...@covad.net
Don Kirkman
<xmo5qm7wnu6z.13...@40tude.net>:
>On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 16:42:24 -0800, Don Kirkman wrote:
>> cross posts are wasteful of the time and resources of individuals
>> when they are posted into newsgroups for which the content is of no
>> interest or is not within the purview of the goals for which the
>> newsgroup was formed such as, for instance, cardiology and diabetes in
>> these two groups.
>Lay down your cystal ball, Don. You can speak for no one but yourself.
I didn't say I was speaking for anyone else, but you will find a
multitude of references to how the internet works. You could look it
up, but you can't just "discern" it.
--
Don
don...@covad.net
Don Kirkman
>Don Kirkman wrote:
>> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
>> in article <815c94d6.04120...@posting.google.com>:
>> >"Budd Cochran" <mr-...@citlinkSPAM.net> wrote in message news:<uGFrd.5932$171....@news01.roc.ny>...
>> >> One person's trash just might be another's hope.
>> >When someone complains about a cross post, they are actually
>> >complaining about the content of the post because in truth, the real
>> >difference between a "cross-post" and a regular post are the few extra
>> >characters in the header which one only "notices" when bothered by the
>> >content of the post.
>> >Truth is simple.
>> Yes, sometimes, but first you have to know the truth, which doesn't show
>> up in your explanation. A cross post sends a single message across the
>> internet, and at each participating server it is cross-indexed so it can
>> be downloaded and read from each newsgroup to which it is addressed.
>> This minimizes the resources needed to transmit and store the message.
>> Posting a number of identical messages to individual newsgroups requires
>> transmission and storage of a separate message for each newsgroup to
>> which it is addressed.
>> Multiplied by the millions of messages passing through the internet, the
>> savings can be significant for large trunk lines and server
>> installations.
>> OTOH, cross posts are wasteful of the time and resources of individuals
>> when they are posted into newsgroups for which the content is of no
>> interest or is not within the purview of the goals for which the
>> newsgroup was formed such as, for instance, cardiology and diabetes in
>> these two groups.
>> The truth is out there. Seek and ye may find it.
>There is nothing you can write that will change the truth that has been
>described. If you were able to discern the truth, you would have known
>not to bother with your attempt.
You have not refuted a single point I have made, and a simple scan of
Google or other archives for information about how the internet works
will show that I have written the truth--but I research for the truth, I
don't wait for some intuition to let me "discern" it.
>You remain in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Christ's holy name.
Now, I discern, is clearly NOT the truth.
>Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Nor this.
--
Don
don...@covad.net
MU
>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 12:57:42 -0500, Bob (this one) wrote:
>>
>>> It just occurred to me how much effort you put forth to not read what
>>> I post
>>
>> About one fiftieth of what it takes for you to post it, Bob.
On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:47:42 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> It seems he suffers terribly when you ignore him.
>
> This would be a classic symptom of self-worship.
Then he better get ready to suffer horribly b/c when I am through making my
"Bi Monthly Fool Out Of Bob Pastorio", he's going back into the Dumbfile.
MU
>>Lay down your cystal ball, Don. You can speak for no one but yourself.
>
> I didn't say I was speaking for anyone else...
Incorrect, Don, your exact words were: "cross posts are wasteful of the
time and resources of individuals"
Do you have more than one personality?
MU
> I have not only read it for comprehension, I have read parts of it in
> different languages including the originals to be sure I understood its
> intent. I do not trust intuition and discernment unbolstered by facts.
And there is the rub, Don. You trust yourself and I trust God.
Bob (this one)
> MU wrote:
>
>>>>Bob, Bob, Bob, which words did you not understand when I said "I am not
>>>>wasting my time reading your "see Bob type, see Bob please himself" posts
>>>>that are as long winded as you are?
>>
>>On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 12:57:42 -0500, Bob (this one) wrote:
>>
>>>It just occurred to me how much effort you put forth to not read what
>>>I post
>>
>>About one fiftieth of what it takes for you to post it, Bob.
>
> It seems he suffers terribly when you ignore him.
It seems Chung can't read, sludgewit that he is. It was precisely that
MU_dpack *doesn't* ignore my posts while proclaiming that he does that
is the subject here. He says he won't read my posts, just like Chung,
and he replies, just like Chung.
What a pair. One fraud and, well, another fraud.
Bob
Bob (this one)
Then you're off to a wonderful start.
That was hilarious irony.
Translation from MU_ddle to English: "I'll poke at Bob for a while and
when it's clear he's kicked my ass all over usenet, I'll flounce out
and act like I won something." Like always.
Bob
Bob (this one)
Here's a shocker for you. It takes longer to write a book than to read
it.
Well, for most people. All bets off with you.
And another shocker. Most of my posts that are in response to what
you've written aren't *to* you, they're *about* you.
Just keep ignoring my posts like you do. Bwah...
Bob
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
May God have mercy on your souls.
You remain in my prayers, dear neighbors whom I love, in Christ's holy
name.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
What is all this about?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48
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http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867
URAQT2 wrote:
>
> Please take your crossposting crap somewhere other than ASD.
> We don't need it.
> We don't want it.
> We don't appreciate it at all.
>
> If you have diabetes then by all means share that with us, but not
> this stuff.
>
> Please?
>
> --
> Chuck
> -ô¿ô-
> ~
>
> -------------------------------
>
> Man is a Religious Animal.
> He is the only Religious Animal.
> He is the only animal that has
> the True Religion - several of them.
> He is the only animal that loves
> his neighbor as himself and cuts
> his throat if his theology isn't straight.-Mark Twain
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The truth is neither about you nor about the points you believe you have
made. Nor is the ability to discern the truth "intuition."
> >You remain in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Christ's holy name.
>
> Now, I discern, is clearly NOT the truth.
Not only do you not have God's gift of truth discernment but you also
lack His gift of clairvoyance.
> >Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
>
> Nor this.
> --
> Don
> don...@covad.net
You remain in the dark. You remain informed about your choice to love
the darkness. Such is the work I am called to do.
It is written in Ephesians 2:
10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with the
Creator of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time because
there will be an infinite amount of it. Walking about aimlessly
thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your* labor,
*your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is tantamount to
self-worship.
For Christ lights up the way through John 14:
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes
to the Father except through me..."
This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree for
the untruthful folks such as yourself, Don, who have chosen to walk in
the "dark":
(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.
(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.
Benefits: Nothing.
Again, one has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, Steve, Bob, Zee,
Frank, Hawki, Rolando et al) who would reject Christ have not thought
out their decision *logically*.
Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example of
untruthfully eloquent self-worship (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers out
of Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring him
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29A236C9 and more recently
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V25D312E9). All this power belongs to God
who has judged Bob Pastorio with His Word
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)
You will be in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Christ's holy name.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.
Please do consider the following as your logic should dictate before it
is too late:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His
presence known here on Usenet :-)
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
> in article <1102136301.VKLEYh82pUkfglZoE6zM3Q@teranews>:
>
> >Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> >> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
> >> in article <1102048484.CYpP5kp0zg3B8sHSufSChw@teranews>:
>
> [...]
>
> >> >Carol paraphrased what Lord Jesus Christ teaches through John 3:
>
> >> >16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that
> >> >whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For
> >> >God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to
> >> >save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned,
> >> >but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not
> >> >believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19This is the verdict:
> >> >Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light
> >> >because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light,
> >> >and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be
> >> >exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that
> >> >it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."
>
> >> Sorry, but Carol's message is in no way a paraphrase of what you quote
> >> here.
>
> >So your choice is to continue to love the darkness.
>
> My choice is to expose the reality of the Biblical citation and of
> Carol's very different post. YMMV
There is no reality when you hide in the dark cowering from the truth.
For example, see Bob Pastorio. For another, see J.C. Koenig. For a
third, see Tiger Lilly. For a fourth, see Steve Harris. For a fifth,
see Phildo. For a sixth, see Carey Gregory.
> >> Her message is a pastiche of catch-phrases popular among the
> >> literalistic preachers of the 20th and 21st centuries.
>
> >Your judgment.
>
> Supported by many years of observing and even at times consorting with
> those who use such catch-phrases.
You mean years of judging others.
> >> John (who actually was teaching through the above, not Jesus) was
> >> interpreting the central point in Christian theology.
>
> >It seems you have not read the Holy Bible for comprehension. It is clear
> >that John is a vessel for Christ here. The quotes are a helpful clue.
>
> I have not only read it for comprehension, I have read parts of it in
> different languages including the originals to be sure I understood its
> intent. I do not trust intuition and discernment unbolstered by facts.
You can not trust that which you do not have.
Truth remains simple.
> Apparently I missed your explanation of why you jumped in on "Carol's
> thread," which of course you never do.
Truth is neither about me nor about what you believe I will never do.
> >You remain in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Christ's precious
> >name.
>
> Your mantra; wish it were meaningful.
It remains the truth...
> --
> Don
> don...@covad.net
... and you remain informed. Such is the work I have been called to do.
It is written in Ephesians 2:
10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with the
Creator of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time because
there will be an infinite amount of it. Walking about aimlessly
thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your* labor,
*your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is tantamount to
self-worship.
For Christ lights up the way through John 14:
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes
to the Father except through me..."
This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree for
the untruthful folks such as yourself, neighbor, who have chosen to walk
in the "dark":
(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.
(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.
Benefits: Nothing.
Again, one has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, Steve, Bob, Zee,
Frank, Hawki, Rolando, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not
thought out their decision *logically*.
Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example of
untruthfully eloquent self-worship (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers out
of Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring him
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29A236C9 and more recently
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V25D312E9). All this power belongs to God
who has judged Bob Pastorio with His Word
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)
You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Christ's holy
name.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.
Please do consider the OP as your logic should dictate before it is too
late:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His
presence known here on Usenet :-)
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
MU
>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:47:42 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>
>>>It seems he suffers terribly when you ignore him.
>>>
>>>This would be a classic symptom of self-worship.
>>
>> Then he better get ready to suffer horribly b/c when I am through making my
>> "Bi Monthly Fool Out Of Bob Pastorio", he's going back into the Dumbfile.
On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 16:47:24 -0500, Bob (this one) wrote:
> Then you're off to a wonderful start.
Take an aspirin. Controls your pain and platelets.
MU
> Translation from MU_ddle to English: "I'll poke at Bob for a while and
> when it's clear I've kicked his ass all over usenet, I'll flounce out
> and act like I won something."
There you go.
Bob (this one)
Take an education. Controls your blunders and ignorance.
Bob
MU
>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 12:57:42 -0500, Bob (this one) wrote:
>>
>>>It just occurred to me how much effort you put forth to not read what
>>>I post
>>
>> About one fiftieth of what it takes for you to post it, Bob.
On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 16:48:50 -0500, Bob (this one) wrote:
> Here's a shocker for you. It takes longer to write a book than to read
> it.
>
> Well, for most people. All bets off with you.
Thank you. Although I am truly more blessed than you (by Christ), I cannot
type as fast as I can read. I do appreciate your recognition of my Christ
instilled powers but, alas, you are wrong again, Cookie Man.
Bob (this one)
See how cute you've rewritten that? You've made it all about you. It's
just like how you deal with the bible.
What a clever guy. That's ironic, too. Especially the flounce part.
Bob
Bob (this one)
>>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 12:57:42 -0500, Bob (this one) wrote:
>>>
>>>> It just occurred to me how much effort you put forth to not
>>>> read what I post
>>>
>>> About one fiftieth of what it takes for you to post it, Bob.
>
> On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 16:48:50 -0500, Bob (this one) wrote:
>
>> Here's a shocker for you. It takes longer to write a book than to
>> read it.
>>
>> Well, for most people. All bets off with you.
>
> Thank you. Although I am truly more blessed than you (by Christ),
<LOL> That statement needs not a bit of comment. The wonderful
Christlike reserve is perfectly evident.
> I cannot type as fast as I can read.
Both of which proceed at light-speed compared to your thinking velocity.
> I do appreciate your recognition of my Christ instilled powers but,
> alas, you are wrong again, Cookie Man.
You are truly funny, Speedo, but you have no idea why. I said you were
thudwitted. You prove it anew with each post.
Your "Christ instilled powers" (whatever they could be. Certainly
nothing visible here.) were not even remotely mentioned. What was
mentioned was your molasses-like mentation and reading skills. Looks
like your "Christ instilled powers" shape up to be dullwittedness and
illogicality coupled with semi-literacy. Wow.
Or have you been hitting the distilled powers instead?
Bob
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:1102275110.fE7bIhRzScaxjUKR+cteZA@teranews...
> > Newsflash:
> >
> > The Word of God transcends the written word of men.
>
> Says who?
Such is the truth. Unknowable to those who are unable to discern it.
> Sorry to tell you this but God has never written one single word
> because he does not exist.
Many things in the universe exist despite either the presence or the
absence of anything written by humunkind about them. Indeed, so much
is written about God that one has to wonder what would compel anyone
to feign the belief that there could be so much controversy about
"nothing."
> > Similarly the truth that is God trumps logic which is the crutch of men
> > who are unable to discern the truth.
>
> A belief in god is an emotional crutch to fill the emotional void left in an
> empty life.
Belief in the truth (God) is not a crutch either emotional or
spiritual.
Belief in a lie (self) is a disability both emotional and spiritual.
The latter results in your not having a leg to stand on.
May all who have eyes, open them and see.
> > It is written in Ephesians 2:
>
> <snip>
... and so you cut short your life as Adam did before you. Your
decision remains an informed one. Such is the work that I have been
called to perform.
It is written in Ephesians 2:
10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
Benefits: Nothing.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
May you someday stop being afraid of the truth which you taunt others
with.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD