OT/ Thoughtful Posts- Time and Energy
Will, T2
For the past few days, I have been pondering a number of things that I
have seen evolve in this group over the years... Most recently, I have
been struck by the departure of Alan S (a temporary departure I hope).
Prior to that, I began reflecting upon the deaths of our friends
Frank, T2 and Chuck Perry.... Come to think of it, I have not seen
Chris Malcolm here lately. And those who have been here for a while
have exchanged ideas with, and known, at least in a cybersense,
countless others who for some reason or another no longer appear here
regularly, if at all....
I guess one of the fundamental laws of the universe is the law of
change... Everything is always changing, and to try to hold on to the
past is a waste of time and energy, and tends to be counter
productive.
Still, I come back to the idea that thoughtful posts in a group such
as this take time and energy. It is very understandable that some of
our more prolific posters occasionally feel a need to step back and
catch some breath.
Some months ago, I realized that much of what I was posting was really
just banter, and not very good banter at that. Then, we got caught up
in various flame wars... which upon refection, I now realize were an
exercise in stupidity. Kurt, again I apologize... I have come to
realize you are a very great guy! In a way, you epitomize the meaning
of support. Wes, you are wonderful, with all of your insights,
especially the technical ones. Quentin, you are marvelous beyond
belief... My hat is always off to you.
I guess I just want to applaud all of you who have hung in all this
time, and taken the time and effort to be good and thoughtful posters.
You know who you are... you are too numerous to name. Over the years,
I have become more and more aware that many of you touch the lives of
all of our members in ways that you do not immediately apprehend.
Will, T2
Kurt
Great post, Will and thanks for taking time to write it. Usenet in
general is declining, mostly due to other share sites like Facebook,
Twitter, blogs, etc. But I think there will always be a need for an
unmoderated forum such as this where strangers who all have something
in common meet and discuss their unfortunate commonality. Because of
the nature of diabetes, and the many approaches, there are bound to be
"disagreements" but there is much to be gained from many different
points of view.
Kurt
BDR529
Dear Will,
I'm a usenetter pretty much since the beginning of it, and the only
advice I can give you is: opinions are just opinions and they are not
necessarily facts. Some people provoke animated discussions, oftentimes
unintended, occasionally on purpose, you'll usually find out yourself.
I'm sorry if my opinions sometimes upset readers in this newsgroup, but
I just gave my opinion and it is often based on what I heard or
understood at that time.
If you have better information, then please just explain and, if you
have real good information, please include the link to the source, but
don't behave like the self-proclaimed expert and try to admit that there
is always a boss over another boss until you end up at the united
nations office. Differences remain sometimes differences of opinions,
and this is simple, often they continue to exist despite the factual
information. The general rule is still, don't expose too much and tell
your filters to ignore someone if you think they are not worth the time
or effort anyway.
Over the years I've seen many declarations like Alan S's story,
including that usenet is about to end because there are alternatives.
Personally I had the impression that Alan S was a bit acting like one of
the self proclaimed. But he was a useful source of information at times.
His departure will not be the end of this newsgroup.
Still there is something called usenet and people actually post to it,
sometimes they even read and understand what was posted. It is not a
fancy thing like facebook, linkedin or hyves, which are social
networking sites. No, usenet is just plain, quick and it gets the job
done. Many times there is no moderation, and as a result there are
raging flame wars I prefer to stay out.
Still alt.support.diabetes is one of the fine newsgroups where the level
of information exchange is sometimes accurate. I've seen other
newsgroups which do a lot worse.
Hope this helps,
Q, T2 also.
Loretta Eisenberg
you for sharing.
Loretta
--
I
Michael
Will,
I too value this newsgroup. I have been on other newsgroups. Both of
those simply came down to flame wars. There are those who find meaning
for their life by creating or responding to angry flames.
This kind of thing does not appeal to me. Here I seem to find
information from different sources. I try to synthesize this information
into a course of treatment for my T2.
It has also been a place where I often post my feelings about this
disease. It has been a safe place to do this. I don't remember anyone
going after me for posting my feelings. Sometimes I think I do this a
little too often, but I don't want to upset my wife by telling her how
angry I sometimes get about not being able to completely control my BG
levels.
I do have a couple of posters on my kill list, so I never see their
posts. This makes what I see here very helpful and non-threatening.
And yes, there are many posters here who have a huge amount of knowledge
under their skull. I thought I knew something about this disease when I
started posting here. I was quickly humbled.
Michael
Ricavito
Hi Will, so nice to see you posting. You are one of the thougtful
posters, of which we have many, and I am grateful for it.
I am so sorry to hear about Grandpa Chuck and Frank T2, I had not
realized why they were no longer posting. Frank saw the birth of his
child?
Chris Malcolm
> Come to think of it, I have not seen
> Chris Malcolm here lately.
Nearly everything electrical in my house has been feeling rather ill
lately. Since I have a very strong financially-based aversion to
buying anything new or calling in technicians who charge more per hour
than their IQ it's been very time consuming.
Most of it has now been fixed or replaced and I'm now working my way
through a large asd backlog :-)
--
Chris Malcolm
Quentin Grady
wrote:
>Hello friends,
Hi Will
Hello true friend of the groups integrity,
It takes all manner of roles to form a successful group. One is
reinforcing what is good that is happening and letting go of what
isn't. Thank you for taking the road less traveled.
>For the past few days, I have been pondering a number of things that I
>have seen evolve in this group over the years... Most recently, I have
>been struck by the departure of Alan S (a temporary departure I hope).
>Prior to that, I began reflecting upon the deaths of our friends
>Frank, T2 and Chuck Perry.... Come to think of it, I have not seen
>Chris Malcolm here lately. And those who have been here for a while
>have exchanged ideas with, and known, at least in a cybersense,
The cyber world encourages reactive responses. Seldom do we get a
reflective response.
>countless others who for some reason or another no longer appear here
>regularly, if at all....
>
>I guess one of the fundamental laws of the universe is the law of
>change... Everything is always changing, and to try to hold on to the
>past is a waste of time and energy, and tends to be counter
>productive.
>
>Still, I come back to the idea that thoughtful posts in a group such
>as this take time and energy. It is very understandable that some of
>our more prolific posters occasionally feel a need to step back and
>catch some breath.
>
>Some months ago, I realized that much of what I was posting was really
>just banter, and not very good banter at that. Then, we got caught up
>in various flame wars... which upon refection, I now realize were an
>exercise in stupidity. Kurt, again I apologize... I have come to
>realize you are a very great guy! In a way, you epitomize the meaning
>of support. Wes, you are wonderful, with all of your insights,
>especially the technical ones. Quentin, you are marvelous beyond
>belief... My hat is always off to you.
Thank you. It takes courage to decide to ignore reactive temptations
and to stay focused on what is good for the consumer, the hypothetical
newly diagnosed and those who want to know more. In this I am often
helped by others, Susan, Michelle, Kate, Nicky, Nick, Robert Miles,
Alan, Julie and Loretta for instance. Only with their encouragement
could I keep going. Some of them help me through the day. An unseen
aspect of asd. and of course there are people like you who encourage
me to keep going. If I have missed some names it is only a matter of
forgetfulness.
>I guess I just want to applaud all of you who have hung in all this
>time, and taken the time and effort to be good and thoughtful posters.
>You know who you are... you are too numerous to name. Over the years,
>I have become more and more aware that many of you touch the lives of
>all of our members in ways that you do not immediately apprehend.
>
>Will, T2
In a few weeks I am off to Palmers ton North to have radiation therapy
and will have very limited access to the internet. Someone will have
to take over my role while I'm away. Read the book and get the facts.
<grin>
Thanks Will for the opportunity to declare oneself.
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."
Quentin Grady
Hi Loretta
Thank you for reminding us that feeling are always free to have though
sometime expensive in their outcomes.
Wonderful typo.
Quentin Grady
wrote:
>I do have a couple of posters on my kill list, so I never see their
>posts. This makes what I see here very helpful and non-threatening.
hi Michael,
I find this an absolute necessity in order to remain focused on my
central purpose of helping others.
Quentin Grady
>Dear Will,
>
>I'm a usenetter pretty much since the beginning of it, and the only
>advice I can give you is: opinions are just opinions and they are not
>necessarily facts. Some people provoke animated discussions, oftentimes
>unintended, occasionally on purpose, you'll usually find out yourself.
>I'm sorry if my opinions sometimes upset readers in this newsgroup, but
>I just gave my opinion and it is often based on what I heard or
>understood at that time.
Hi Q,
One has to remind oneself of this fact time and time again. When I
write IMHO it is a message to myself to keep that perspective.
>If you have better information, then please just explain and, if you
>have real good information, please include the link to the source, but
>don't behave like the self-proclaimed expert and try to admit that there
>is always a boss over another boss until you end up at the united
>nations office. Differences remain sometimes differences of opinions,
>and this is simple, often they continue to exist despite the factual
>information. The general rule is still, don't expose too much and tell
>your filters to ignore someone if you think they are not worth the time
>or effort anyway.
Too true. It is a matter of personal health to do so.
>Over the years I've seen many declarations like Alan S's story,
>including that usenet is about to end because there are alternatives.
>Personally I had the impression that Alan S was a bit acting like one of
>the self proclaimed. But he was a useful source of information at times.
>His departure will not be the end of this newsgroup.
>
>Still there is something called usenet and people actually post to it,
>sometimes they even read and understand what was posted. It is not a
>fancy thing like facebook, linkedin or hyves, which are social
>networking sites. No, usenet is just plain, quick and it gets the job
>done. Many times there is no moderation, and as a result there are
>raging flame wars I prefer to stay out.
>
>Still alt.support.diabetes is one of the fine newsgroups where the level
>of information exchange is sometimes accurate. I've seen other
>newsgroups which do a lot worse.
>
>Hope this helps,
It does a lot. Thank you for some important reminders.
>
>Q, T2 also.
Nicky
<newsgro...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>On Nov 3, 5:14�pm, "Will, T2" <wmmc...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Hello friends,
>
>Hi Will, so nice to see you posting. You are one of the thougtful
>posters, of which we have many, and I am grateful for it.
Yes indeed, Will - always nice to see you around! And I enjoyed your
"banter" - especially when you posted about music; I learnt a lot from
you. Right now, I'm using music a lot as a meditation aid, and enjoyed
thinking about you and your son whilst looking for a new piece.
>
>I am so sorry to hear about Grandpa Chuck and Frank T2, I had not
>realized why they were no longer posting. Frank saw the birth of his
>child?
Yes, he did, Rica - he was enormously proud of her, and tried really
hard for her sake. I have some lovely pictures he sent me of the two
of them together - and Mama, of course. I'm not sure how old she was
when he died, but I think they had a little more than a year together?
Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 150ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.2% BMI 26
Quentin Grady
wrote:
>Will, T2 <wmm...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Come to think of it, I have not seen
>> Chris Malcolm here lately.
>
>Nearly everything electrical in my house has been feeling rather ill
>lately. Since I have a very strong financially-based aversion to
>buying anything new or calling in technicians who charge more per hour
>than their IQ it's been very time consuming.
Cruel.
>Most of it has now been fixed or replaced and I'm now working my way
>through a large asd backlog :-)
--
Ricavito
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:01:15 -0800 (PST), Ricavito
>
I am so glad to hear that Nicky, thanks.