Atkins Died Obese, Confirmed By Mayor Bloomberg; Raises Rightful Suspicions About His "Accidental" Death
Largest Mu_n
"Atkins is dead. I don't believe that bullshit that he dropped dead
slipping on a sidewalk, yeah right, joked Bloomberg.
Chowing down on huge plate of pasta, Bloomberg ripped into the man who
told dieters to stay away from carbohydrates.
Atkins died last April when he hit his head after slipping on a patch
of ice in front of his Manhattan office.
I actually went to his house out in South Hampton, said Bloomberg. It
was for a fundraiser about two years ago. It was for Pataki
fundraiser, and I went. The guy was fat -- a big guy but heavy and the
food was inedible. I took one appetizer and spit it out in the napkin.
It was just terrible."
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Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
AmyB
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"Largest Mu_n" <hug...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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DoughBoy
Or you could have left this topic where it was... in the other post that
you're discussing it in.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> http://tinyurl.com/33svn
>
> "Atkins is dead. I don't believe that bullshit that he dropped dead
> slipping on a sidewalk, yeah right, joked Bloomberg.
>
> Chowing down on huge plate of pasta, Bloomberg ripped into the man who
> told dieters to stay away from carbohydrates.
>
> Atkins died last April when he hit his head after slipping on a patch
> of ice in front of his Manhattan office.
>
> I actually went to his house out in South Hampton, said Bloomberg. It
> was for a fundraiser about two years ago. It was for Pataki
> fundraiser, and I went. The guy was fat -- a big guy but heavy and the
> food was inedible. I took one appetizer and spit it out in the napkin.
> It was just terrible."
Interesting interview. A word to the wise.
Humbly,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
Cheri
getting ready for a comeback. One thing is for sure though, people will
still be talking about them long after nobody remembers who Bloomberg
is. ;-)
--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.
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"Ignoramus16608" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.16608.invalid> wrote in message
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> I saw very few photographs of Dr Atkins. The ones I saw, had clothes
> that obscured his body in a manner typical of fat people. It was very
> hard to tell whether Dr Atkins was fat, or whether he just wore bulky
> clothes. Does anyone have a recent picture of Dr Atkins where his body
> type would be clearly discernible?
>
> As for his death, it is also kind of interesting to find out just what
> is it that Atkins died from. The story about falling on ice, may be
> true, but raises enough questions as to merit looking a little bit
> further.
>
> i
> 223/176/180
>
> In article <3rBPb.60024$%i5.3...@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>, AmyB wrote:
> > Bloomberg is an ass.
Mack
wrote:
>Bloomberg is an ass.
please check the groups this was originally crossposted to and you
will see that it was intended as a troll bait and shill post for the
known troll and lunatic mu/chung who is always changing his posting
name in a week attempt to avoid kill filters.
it's best not to reply to posts, but if you do choose to do so, at
least remove the sci med cardiology group from the header and help to
kill the trolling.
Mack
Type 1 since 1975
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
In tribute to the United States of America and the State
of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
terrorism.
JC Der Koenig
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> Largest Mu_n wrote:
>
> > http://tinyurl.com/33svn
> >
> > "Atkins is dead. I don't believe that bullshit that he dropped dead
> > slipping on a sidewalk, yeah right, joked Bloomberg.
> >
> > Chowing down on huge plate of pasta, Bloomberg ripped into the man who
> > told dieters to stay away from carbohydrates.
> >
> > Atkins died last April when he hit his head after slipping on a patch
> > of ice in front of his Manhattan office.
> >
> > I actually went to his house out in South Hampton, said Bloomberg. It
> > was for a fundraiser about two years ago. It was for Pataki
> > fundraiser, and I went. The guy was fat -- a big guy but heavy and the
> > food was inedible. I took one appetizer and spit it out in the napkin.
> > It was just terrible."
>
> Interesting interview. A word to the wise.
>
>
You're an idiot and a quack. There's no way you should be giving any type of
medical advice. That's why you don't have access to a hospital, and why you
were fired in Florida. This is also why you troll usenet for unsuspecting
"patients". You bought your credentials on the internet. Shame on you.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:400EE785...@heartmdphd.com...
> > Largest Mu_n wrote:
> >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/33svn
> > >
> > > "Atkins is dead. I don't believe that bullshit that he dropped dead
> > > slipping on a sidewalk, yeah right, joked Bloomberg.
> > >
> > > Chowing down on huge plate of pasta, Bloomberg ripped into the man who
> > > told dieters to stay away from carbohydrates.
> > >
> > > Atkins died last April when he hit his head after slipping on a patch
> > > of ice in front of his Manhattan office.
> > >
> > > I actually went to his house out in South Hampton, said Bloomberg. It
> > > was for a fundraiser about two years ago. It was for Pataki
> > > fundraiser, and I went. The guy was fat -- a big guy but heavy and the
> > > food was inedible. I took one appetizer and spit it out in the napkin.
> > > It was just terrible."
> >
> > Interesting interview. A word to the wise.
> >
> >
>
> <hissing snipped>
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
request that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are
upset about reading this message, a few suggestions:
(1) Yell at JC Der Koenig
(2) Report JC Der Koenig to his ISP (ab...@prodigy.net) for violating their TOS
with his libel and defamation.
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.
This discussion(s) is related to the 2 pound diet approach (2PD) which is
described completely at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
Though Dr. Chung invented this approach, he did not initiate this Usenet
discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has been voluntary and
has been conducted in the spirit of community service. His motivation has been
entirely altruistic and has arisen from his religious beliefs as a Christian.
Jesus freely gave of Himself to better the health of folks He touched:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp
From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are vehemently
opposed to the 2 pound diet approach. They have debated Dr. Chung on every
perceived weakness of the 2 pound diet approach and have lost the argument
soundly at every point:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp
These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this and other
discussion threads.
However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the argument(s),
certain parties have redirected their hatred of the 2 pound diet approach toward
its author. The rationale appears to be "if you can not discredit the message
then try to discredit the messenger."
Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll" is
someone who posts under the cloak of anonymity messages with no redeeming
discussion value and with the sole purpose of starting "flame" wars.
These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the following
observations were made:
(1) Dr. Chung has not been posting anonymously.
(2) The 2PD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting the
discussion(s).
(a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the 2PD to
achieve near-ideal weight.
(b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when their weight
becomes near-ideal.
(c) For (b) see: http://tinyurl.com/levc
(3) Dr. Chung did not start the discussion(s).
(4) The 2 pound diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
(5) Dr. Chung's credentials are real and easily verified on-line (including
jpegs of the actual diplomas).
Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have tried to
attack Dr. Chung's credentials knowing full well that they were attempting to
libel him. One notable example is Mr. Pastorio:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp
When the full light was cast on Mr. Pastorio's libelous statements, the hateful
folks hiding in the darkness of anonymity only hissed louder in support of their
fallen hero.
Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either actively or
as lurkers can easily dismiss the hisses, for what they are, using the on-line
third-party resources at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp
where Dr. Chung's credentials can be verified many times over and libelous
claims that credentials were bought are easily and summarily debunked.
Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning the anon
posters who continue to hiss (ie JC Der Koenig and Mack):
(1) They are anonymous and thus they expect to have no credibility (or
accountability).
(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory characters.
(3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to deliver
one-sided insults.
(4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Dr. Chung by cross-posting.
(5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the 2PD or its
author.
and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.
It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to speed.
It will remain my pleasure to participate here on Usenet above the din of
hissing from the peanut gallery.
Humbly,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com
JC Der Koenig
You're an idiot and a quack. There's no way you should be giving any type of
JC Der Koenig
medical advice. That's why you don't have access to a hospital, and why you
were fired in Florida. This is also why you troll usenet for unsuspecting
"patients". You bought your credentials on the internet. Shame on you.
--
JC
Eat less, exercise more.
--
"JC Der Koenig" <jcder...@ibm.com> wrote in message
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Steve
(in message <77a8d10507c3f98b...@news.teranews.com>):
> JC Der Koenig wrote:
>
>> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>> news:400EE785...@heartmdphd.com...
>>> Largest Mu_n wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/33svn
>>>>
>>>> "Atkins is dead. I don't believe that bullshit that he dropped dead
>>>> slipping on a sidewalk, yeah right, joked Bloomberg.
>>>>
>>>> Chowing down on huge plate of pasta, Bloomberg ripped into the man who
>>>> told dieters to stay away from carbohydrates.
>>>>
>>>> Atkins died last April when he hit his head after slipping on a patch
>>>> of ice in front of his Manhattan office.
>>>>
>>>> I actually went to his house out in South Hampton, said Bloomberg. It
>>>> was for a fundraiser about two years ago. It was for Pataki
>>>> fundraiser, and I went. The guy was fat -- a big guy but heavy and the
>>>> food was inedible. I took one appetizer and spit it out in the napkin.
>>>> It was just terrible."
>>>
>>> Interesting interview. A word to the wise.
>>>
>>>
>> You're an idiot and a quack. There's no way you should be giving any type of
>> medical advice. That's why you don't have access to a hospital, and why you
>> were fired in Florida. This is also why you troll usenet for unsuspecting
>> "patients". You bought your credentials on the internet. Shame on you
<Chungspeak snipped>
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
request that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are
upset about reading this message, a few suggestions:
(1) Yell at Chung
(2) Report Chung to his ISP
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.
This discussion(s) is related to the Two Foot Diet approach (2FD) which
I developed as a replacement for Dr. Chung's Amazing Logic Defying Two
Pound Diet to avoid having to carry a scale around.
In 2003, my wife and I watched an IMAX film about climbing the Bavarian
Alps and learned that despite their exhausting regimen, the climbers
consumed only 10 packages of wieners per week. That's less than 2 feet
of wieners per day! Since none of the climbers died from starvation, I
think it is safe to assume that 2 feet of food per day should be more
than adequate for us non-climbing folks.
So I started a little experiment with the agreeable obese friends in my
neighborhood. I gave them ordinary 6 inch rulers with instructions to
measure the length of everything substantial that passed into their
mouths. The only things exempted were water and sugar-free drinks. What
I learned was that my obese friends were consuming between 8 to 12 feet
of food per day! At the time, I was about 10 lbs. over my ideal body
weight so I decided to find out how much I was eating per day... 3
feet. I cut back to less than 2 feet and was at my proper weight in one
month.
My friends have responded similarly except they have taken longer
because of having to lose more weight. Admittedly, some of my obese
friends were especially slow to respond. They also happen to be the
ones with an unfortunate propensity for accidentally loosing their 6
inch rulers and taking weeks to buy replacements.
So here's the deal: measure all the food you eat, using it's longest
dimension, and keep the total length to less than two feet per day.
That's all there is. No scales, no counting calories or carbohydrates.
Heck, if you loose your ruler, you can even use the first joint of your
thumb to measure.
I am making this diet available as a public service and without
compensation.
If you have any questions, just see Dr. Chung's helpful FAQ and
substitute "Two Feet" for "Two Pounds" everywhere... what could be
simpler?
Though Steve invented this approach, he did not initiate this Usenet
discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has been
voluntary and has been conducted in the spirit of community service.
His motivation has been entirely altruistic and has arisen from his
religious beliefs as a Christian. Jesus freely gave of Himself to
better the health of folks He touched:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/hypocrite.asp
From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are
vehemently opposed to the 2 foot diet approach. They have debated
Steve on every perceived weakness of the 2 foot diet approach and have
lost the argument soundly at every point:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp ... just substitute "Foot" for
"Pound" everywhere.
These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this and
other discussion threads.
However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the
argument(s), certain parties have redirected their hatred of the 2 foot
diet approach toward its author. The rationale appears to be "if you
can not discredit the message then try to discredit the messenger."
Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll"
is someone who posts under the cloak of anonymity messages with no
redeeming discussion value and with the sole purpose of starting
"flame" wars.
These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the
following observations were made:
(1) Steve has not been posting anonymously.
(2) The 2FD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting
the discussion(s).
(a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the 2FD
to achieve near-ideal weight.
(b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when their
weight becomes near-ideal.
(c) For (b) see: http://tinyurl.com/moreChungbullshit
(3) Steve did not start the discussion(s).
(4) The 2 foot diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have
tried to attack Steve's credentials knowing full well that they were
attempting to libel him. One notable example is Dr. Chung who is
jealous that Steve has improved on his diet.
When the full light was cast on Dr. Chung's libelous statements, the
hateful folks hiding in the darkness of anonymity, most notably Mu,
only hissed louder in support of their fallen hero.
Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either
actively or as lurkers can easily dismiss the hisses, for what they
are, using the on-line third-party resources at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/sign_up_to_be_a_patient.asp
Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning
the anon posters who continue to hiss, most notably Mu:
(1) They are anonymous and thus expect to have no credibility (or
accountability).
(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory
characters.
(3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to deliver
one-sided insults.
(4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Steve by cross-
posting.
(5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the
2FD or its author.
and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.
Unfortunately, they keep Mu_Tating so that it is impossible to killfile
them.
It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to
speed.
It will remain my pleasure to participate here on Usenet above the din
of hissing from the peanut gallery.
Sincerely,
God's Other Humble Servant
Steve
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> <desperately libelous hissing snipped>
>
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp
Humbly,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com
Tom
> medical advice. That's why you don't have access to a hospital, and why you
> were fired in Florida. This is also why you troll usenet for unsuspecting
> "patients". You bought your credentials on the internet. Shame on you.
I heard Chung OD'd a couple patients...one went into a coma and the
other one died! that's why they took away his licsence!
Myway
Amazing..Chung and Mu from the same area..hmmmmmmmm
Myway
Josie Martuff
You just look like Microsoft telling the people "Linux is baaad, be aware!"
Ok, speak the truth, are you part of the FDA, or the American Diabetes
Association, or probably one of those huge companies making profit of human
diabetes?
Probably you are so happy when you knew the FreeStyle Strips for my little
cousin cost 10% more since december...
looks like you enjoy to mislead people so they cant feel better...
--
Josie.
Diabetes Type 2 since 2002
"Largest Mu_n" <hug...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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JC Der Koenig
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Absolutely!
n k bakker
Put me down for the 8 or 9 inch diet :) could be heaven!
nancyy
tcomeau
>
> "Atkins is dead. I don't believe that bullshit that he dropped dead
> slipping on a sidewalk, yeah right, joked Bloomberg.
>
> Chowing down on huge plate of pasta, Bloomberg ripped into the man who
> told dieters to stay away from carbohydrates.
>
> Atkins died last April when he hit his head after slipping on a patch
> of ice in front of his Manhattan office.
>
> I actually went to his house out in South Hampton, said Bloomberg. It
> was for a fundraiser about two years ago. It was for Pataki
> fundraiser, and I went. The guy was fat -- a big guy but heavy and the
> food was inedible. I took one appetizer and spit it out in the napkin.
> It was just terrible."
>
Why would Bloomberg attack Atkins? Here is some insight.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/CarolASThompson/Bloomber.htm
"Media magnate and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg owns Johns
Hopkins University School of Public Health
Bloomberg is "the largest donor in the 125-year history of the Johns
Hopkins Institutions, with gifts including $100 million to the Johns
Hopkins Initiative." (Hopkins Names Public Health School for Michael
Bloomberg. Headlines@Hopkins news release, April 20, 2001.) Its School
of Public Health, which has been renamed for him, is the lair of those
corrupt epidemiologists, Leon Gordis and Jonathan Samet."
I haven't found anything yet on Gordis and Samet.
This is the new name of the school: Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of
Public Health
Some of the people at this University:
Lawrence J. Cheskin, M.D., Div. of Gastroenterology, Dept. of
Medicine, Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. Consultant to Procter &
Gamble on olestra (1997). Spoke on behalf of Procter and Gamble at FDA
advisory committee meeting on olestra (6-16-98). Co- author of an
olestra postmarketing surveillance study funded by P&G. (J. Am. Diet.
Asso. 1998;98:1290-6). Co-author of P&G study on olestra and
carotenoids. (J. Nutr. 1999;129:855-64) Co-author of P&G study on
early adopters of olestra. (J. Am. Diet. Asso. 2000;100:198-204)
Co-author of study on olestra and health/nutrition that was funded by
P&G. (Arch. Intern. Med. 2000;160:2600-4) Co-author of a study on
olestra's effects and carotenoids and vitamins funded by P&G. (J.
Nutr. 2000;130:1711-18)
Lynn Goldman, Visiting Scholar at Johns Hopkins University; former
assistant administrator of U.S. EPA, office of prevention, pesticides,
and toxic substances. Member of the Monsanto Biotechnology Advisory
Council( Source: Monsanto press release
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/010531/cgth023.html accessed
6/5/01)Member, Dow Environmental Advisory Council. (Dow, Public
Report, 1989, http://www.dow.com/environment/99rep/8.html; accessed
July 28, 2000).
Benjamin Caballero, M.D., Ph.D., Center for Human Nutrition, The Johns
Hopkins School of Public Health, Baltimore, MD
This fellow is a member of the Panel on Dietary Reference Intakes for
Macronutrients:
***********
Report Offers New Eating and Physical Activity Targets
To Reduce Chronic Disease Risk
WASHINGTON -- To meet the body's daily energy and nutritional needs
while minimizing risk for chronic disease, adults should get 45
percent to 65 percent of their calories from carbohydrates, 20 percent
to 35 percent from fat, and 10 percent to 35 percent from protein,
says the newest report on recommendations for healthy eating from the
National Academies' Institute of Medicine.
************
http://www4.nationalacademies.org/news.nsf/isbn/0309085373?OpenDocument
Panel on Dietary Reference Intakes for Macronutrients
Benjamin Caballero, M.D., Ph.D.
Professor and Director, Center for Human Nutrition
Bloomberg School of Public Health
Johns Hopkins University
Baltimore
Some other members of this Panel:
Joanne Lupton, Associate professor, human nutrition, Texas A&M
University. In-depth review expert for FDA Food Advisory Committee's
1995 review of olestra. VP, Ruder and Finn, NY (1970-74);
communications consultant to corporations (1974-80); ILSI (1992-94);
Health Valley Foods; Miller Brewing Co. Co-authored an "Expert Panel
Report" on olestra (August 1999) for Procter & Gamble. (P&G petition
to FDA, 12/1/99) (Resumé)
Jean-Pierre Flatt, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus, Department of
Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, University of Massachusetts
Medical Center, Amherst, MA. "Serves on the Nestlé Foundation for the
Study of Nutritional Problems in the World and has consulted for
Nestec, Inc., Nestlé Research Center."
(http://www4.nas.edu/webcr.nsf/CommitteeDisplay/FNBX-H-99-04-A?OpenDocument;
accessed 1/6/03)
Susan K. Fried, Ph.D., Department of Nutritional Sciences, Rutgers
University, New Brunswick, NJ. "Has on occasion consulted for a
variety of food and pharmaceutical manufacturers."
(http://www4.nas.edu/webcr.nsf/CommitteeDisplay/FNBX-H-99-04-A?OpenDocument;
accessed 1/6/03)
Scott M. Grundy, M.D., Ph.D.,, Department of Internal Medicine,
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas. Veterans
Administration Medical Center, U.C. San Diego (1986); U. Of Texas
Health Science Center, Dallas, TX (1986). Research grant from Procter
& Gamble on olestra (1986). (Co-authors included Jack Anastasia
(Procter & Gamble), Antero Kesaniemi, Jeffrey Abrams) Member,
Institute of Medicine's Food and Nutrition Board (1997). (4/9/99
Business Wire) Am. J. Clin. Nutr. study on health benefits of beer
(Bill Barrett, Chairman of Willow Distributors, Inc., the Dallas
Coors, specialty, and imported beer distributor: "With ... the recent
reports that reveal drinking 1 to 2 beers a day, can lower your chance
of coronary heart disease by 30-40%, I decided to partially fund this
review." According to a 1999 law suit against USDA/HHS filed by
Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, served from
1973-present on the American Egg Board grant review committee. (PCRM
web site (http://www.pcrm.org, October 12, 2000) and Civ. No.:
99-3107-JR, U.S. District Court for D.C. (information therein obtained
from USDA))Study to develop a method for determining the masses of
various abdominal adipose tissue compartments supported by Merck and
Bristol- Myers-Squibb. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1997;65:403-8) Research on
oxidizability of low- density lipoprotein in patients with diabetes
mellitus partially supported by the Henkel Corporation. (Am. J. Clin.
Nutr. 1996;63:753-9)
Sheila Innis, University of British Columbia; member of FASEB
committee under contract to FDA to report on infant formula; has "done
considerable work with Ross [Laboratories]." (Wash Post, 6/1/99, p.1)
David J.A. Jenkins, M.D., Ph.D., Department of Nutritional Sciences,
University of Toronto. Evaluated potential health benefits of oil
seeds, such as soy and flaxseed, partially funded by the
University-Industry Partnership Program of the Natural Sciences and
Engineering Research Council of Canada and Omega Nutrition Canada.
(Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:395-402)
Rachel Johnson, Department of Nutrition and Food Science, College of
Agriculture and Life Sciences, University of Vermont, Burlington, VT.
Member of USDA/HHS 1999 Dietary Guidelines Review Committee. According
to a 1999 law suit against USDA/HHS filed by Physicians Committee for
Responsible Medicine, she received a $42,000 research grant from Dairy
Management, Inc. and in 1988 and 1990 she received fellowships from
Kraft General Foods. (PCRM web site (http://www.pcrm.org, October 12,
2000) and law suit against USDA, Civ. No.: 99-3107-JR, U.S. District
Court for D.C. (information therein obtained from USDA)) Research on
the nutritional consequences of flavored-milk consumption by
school-aged children and adolescents in the U.S. was sponsored by the
National Dairy Council, the nutrition marketing arm of the Dairy
Management, Inc. (J. Am. Diet. Assoc. 2002;102:853)
Penny Kris-Etherton, Ph.D., R.D., Department of Nutrition,
Pennsylvania State University. Consultant to Campbell Soup on
Intelligent Cuisine line (10/96, CSPI conversation with Campbell).
Studies on chocolates (stearic acid) and cholesterol levels were
supported by the American Cocoa Research Institute (an arm of the
Chocolate Manufacturers Association). (Am. J. Clin. Nutr.
1994;60(Suppl):1029S-36S;1037S-42S) Using PRNewswire (6/23/99), IFIC,
the industry-sponsored International Food Information Council,
suggested that journalists interested in trans fat call Kris-
Etherton. On Nutrition Advisory Panel of the American Egg Board
(1998). (http://web.archive.org/web/19991103230056/http://aeb.org/aeb/aeb-sources/science.html,
1999) Study on monounsaturated fats was supported by the Peanut
Institute. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;70:1009-15) Research on lipid and
lipoprotein responses to different diets partially supported by Abbott
Laboratories. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 2000;70:839-46) Research on the
effects of folate and vitamins B-12 and B-6 on serum total
homocysteine (tHcy) supported by Campbell Soup Company. (Am. J. Clin.
Nutr. 2000;70:881-7) Study that compared meal plans and self-selected
diet in relation to cardiovascular risk reduction supported by
Campbell Soup Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1997;66:373-85) Study on
the benefits of a prepared diet in relation to cardiovascular disease
supported by Campbell Soup Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr.
1996;64:935-43) "Serves as a member of advisory committees to a number
of food and pharmaceutical groups and has research support from the
food industry." (http://www4.nas.edu/webcr.nsf/CommitteeDisplay/FNBX-H-01-05-A?OpenDocument;
accessed 1/6/03)
Paul B. Pencharz, Ph.D., Departments of Pediatrics and Surgery,
University of Toronto. Research on the prevalence of vitamin K
deficiency in cystic fibrosis partially supported by Janssen
Pharmaceutica. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr.1999;70:378-82)
F. Xavier Pi-Sunyer, , M.D., St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center,
Columbia University. Advisory boards of American Home Products'
Wyeth-Ayerst labs and Knoll Pharmaceuticals; consultant to Lilly
Pharmaceuticals, Genentech, Hoffman-LaRoche, Knoll, Weight-Watchers
International, and Neurogen; on Knoll Pharmaceutical's Weight Risk
Investigation Study Council (provides research grants). (Newark
Star-Ledger, 2/17/97) Accepted grants or fees from Warner-Lambert on
Rezulin, a diabetes drug. (Los Angeles Times, p. A22,
10/29/99)Research on the effects of folate and vitamins B-12 and B-6
on serum total homocysteine (tHcy) supported by Campbell Soup Company.
(Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 2000;70:881-7) Study that compared meal plans and
self-selected diet in relation to cardiovascular risk reduction
supported by Campbell Soup Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr.
1997;66:373-85) Study on the benefits of a prepared diet in relation
to cardiovascular disease supported by Campbell Soup Company. (Am. J.
Clin. Nutr. 1996;64:935-43)
Peter J. Reeds, Ph.D., Department of Pediatrics, Baylor College of
Medicine, Houston, TX. "Has consulted for food-related companies and
dietary product manufacturers."
(http://www4.nas.edu/webcr.nsf/CommitteeDisplay/FNBX-H-99-04-A?OpenDocument;
accessed 1/7/03)
Susan B. Roberts, Ph.D., Energy Metabolism Lab, Jean Mayer U.S.D.A.
Human Nutrition Research Center on Aging at Tufts University, Boston,
MA. Research on cereal fiber and diet supported in part by the Quaker
Oats Company. (J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 2001;1:50-7)Research exploring
potential parallels between nutritionally stunted children and obesity
partially funded by the Nestlé Foundation. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr.
2000;72:702-7)
Johns Hopkins researchers have contributed to establishing the idea
that 60% of our diet should be carbs. They ought to be irked by the
success of Atkins diet and now they are expressing their
dissatifaction at the highest level, the owner of Johns Hopkins is
doing the criticising. I wonder if it is in his capacity as owner or
Johns Hopkins or in his capacity as Mayor of New York?
TC
Steve
(in message <fafb4920.0401...@posting.google.com>):
> WOW!! diet by length?
>
> Put me down for the 8 or 9 inch diet :) could be heaven!
>
> nancyy
I'll have to add that as one of my "Testesmonials" :-)
--
Steve
Weeding the Lord's Vineyards Since 2003
Largest Mu_n
<jo...@x-limit.com> wrote:
>You are so funny,
>
>You just look like Microsoft telling the people "Linux is baaad, be aware!"
I run Linux.
>Ok, speak the truth, are you part of the FDA, or the American Diabetes
>Association, or probably one of those huge companies making profit of human
>diabetes?
No.
>Probably you are so happy when you knew the FreeStyle Strips for my little
>cousin cost 10% more since december...
That's sick and I don't mean diabetes.
>looks like you enjoy to mislead people so they cant feel better...
Looks like you need a trip to the psychiatrist.
Largest Mu_n
>Amazing..Chung and Mu from the same area..hmmmmmmmm
>
>Myway
Yes, we are and I have $10,000 in escrow that you can have if you come
to Atlanta and see we are the same person.
Of course, you have to out up $10,000 too.
When will you be arriving?
Largest Mu_n
wrote:
>I heard Chung OD'd a couple patients...one went into a coma and the
>other one died! that's why they took away his licsence!
He can spell.
Next...........
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> <libelous statements snipped>
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message. Because the
author of the message to which I am responding did not request that the header be
trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are upset about reading this message, a
few suggestions:
(1) Yell at Tom
(2) Report Tom to his ISP for violating their TOS with his libelous and defamatory
statements.
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.
This discussion(s) is related to the 2 pound diet approach (2PD) which is
described completely at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
Though Dr. Chung invented this approach, he did not initiate the Usenet
discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has been voluntary and has
been conducted in the spirit of community service. His motivation has been
entirely altruistic and has arisen from his religious beliefs as a Christian.
Jesus freely gave of Himself to better the health of folks He touched:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp
From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are vehemently opposed
to the 2 pound diet approach. They have debated Dr. Chung on every perceived
weakness of the 2 pound diet approach and have lost the argument soundly at every
point:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp
These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this discussion
thread(s).
http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp
It will remain my pleasure to continue the discussion(s) about the 2PD above the
din of hissing from the peanut gallery.
God's humble bond-servant,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> JC Der Koenig wrote:
> >
> > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > news:400EE785...@heartmdphd.com...
> > > Largest Mu_n wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/33svn
> > > >
> > > > "Atkins is dead. I don't believe that bullshit that he dropped dead
> > > > slipping on a sidewalk, yeah right, joked Bloomberg.
> > > >
> > > > Chowing down on huge plate of pasta, Bloomberg ripped into the man who
> > > > told dieters to stay away from carbohydrates.
> > > >
> > > > Atkins died last April when he hit his head after slipping on a patch
> > > > of ice in front of his Manhattan office.
> > > >
> > > > I actually went to his house out in South Hampton, said Bloomberg. It
> > > > was for a fundraiser about two years ago. It was for Pataki
> > > > fundraiser, and I went. The guy was fat -- a big guy but heavy and the
> > > > food was inedible. I took one appetizer and spit it out in the napkin.
> > > > It was just terrible."
> > >
> > > Interesting interview. A word to the wise.
> > >
> > >
> >
> <hissing snipped>
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message. Because the
author of the message to which I am responding did not request that the header be
trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are upset about reading this message, a
few suggestions:
(1) Yell at Myway
(2) Report Myway to his ISP
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp
God's humble bond-servant,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> <libelous statements snipped>
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message. Because
the author of the message to which I am responding did not request that the
header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are upset about reading this
message, a few suggestions:
(1) Yell at JC da Konegg
(2) Report JC da Konegg to his ISP
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp
God's humble bond-servant,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com
Steve
(in message <401008C5...@heartmdphd.com>):
> Tom wrote:
>
>> <libelous statements snipped>
>
> FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
> Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
> request that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it.
Oh, Chung?...Chung?... when you respond to this with your macro, please
trim the headers.
Thanks.
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
request that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are
upset about reading this message, a few suggestions:
(1) Yell at Chung
(2) Report Chung to his ISP
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.
This discussion(s) is related to the Two Foot Diet approach (2FD) which
Though Steve invented this approach, he did not initiate this Usenet
discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has been
voluntary and has been conducted in the spirit of community service.
His motivation has been entirely altruistic and has arisen from his
religious beliefs as a Christian. Jesus freely gave of Himself to
better the health of folks He touched:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/hypocrite.asp
From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are
vehemently opposed to the 2 foot diet approach. They have debated
Steve on every perceived weakness of the 2 foot diet approach and have
lost the argument soundly at every point:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp ... just substitute "Foot" for
"Pound" everywhere.
These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this and
other discussion threads.
However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the
argument(s), certain parties have redirected their hatred of the 2 foot
diet approach toward its author. The rationale appears to be "if you
can not discredit the message then try to discredit the messenger."
Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll"
is someone who posts under the cloak of anonymity messages with no
redeeming discussion value and with the sole purpose of starting
"flame" wars.
These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the
following observations were made:
(1) Steve has not been posting anonymously.
(2) The 2FD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting
the discussion(s).
(a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the 2FD
to achieve near-ideal weight.
(b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when their
weight becomes near-ideal.
(c) For (b) see: http://tinyurl.com/moreChungbullshit
(3) Steve did not start the discussion(s).
(4) The 2 foot diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have
tried to attack Steve's credentials knowing full well that they were
attempting to libel him. One notable example is Dr. Chung who is
jealous that Steve has improved on his diet.
When the full light was cast on Dr. Chung's libelous statements, the
hateful folks hiding in the darkness of anonymity, most notably Mu,
only hissed louder in support of their fallen hero.
Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either
actively or as lurkers can easily dismiss the hisses, for what they
are, using the on-line third-party resources at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/sign_up_to_be_a_patient.asp
Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning
the anon posters who continue to hiss, most notably Mu:
(1) They are anonymous and thus expect to have no credibility (or
accountability).
(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory
characters.
(3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to deliver
one-sided insults.
(4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Steve by cross-
posting.
(5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the
2FD or its author.
and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.
Unfortunately, they keep Mu_Tating so that it is impossible to killfile
them.
It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to
speed.
It will remain my pleasure to participate here on Usenet above the din
of hissing from the peanut gallery.
Sincerely,
Steve
(in message <40100A1B...@heartmdphd.com>):
> JC Der Koenig wrote:
>
>> <libelous statements snipped>
>
> FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message. Because
> the author of the message to which I am responding did not request that the
> header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it.
Oh, Chung?...Chung?... when you respond to this with your macro, please
trim the headers.
Thanks.
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
request that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are
upset about reading this message, a few suggestions:
(1) Yell at Chung
(2) Report Chung to his ISP
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.
This discussion(s) is related to the Two Foot Diet approach (2FD) which
Though Steve invented this approach, he did not initiate this Usenet
discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has been
voluntary and has been conducted in the spirit of community service.
His motivation has been entirely altruistic and has arisen from his
religious beliefs as a Christian. Jesus freely gave of Himself to
better the health of folks He touched:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/hypocrite.asp
From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are
vehemently opposed to the 2 foot diet approach. They have debated
Steve on every perceived weakness of the 2 foot diet approach and have
lost the argument soundly at every point:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp ... just substitute "Foot" for
"Pound" everywhere.
These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this and
other discussion threads.
However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the
argument(s), certain parties have redirected their hatred of the 2 foot
diet approach toward its author. The rationale appears to be "if you
can not discredit the message then try to discredit the messenger."
Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll"
is someone who posts under the cloak of anonymity messages with no
redeeming discussion value and with the sole purpose of starting
"flame" wars.
These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the
following observations were made:
(1) Steve has not been posting anonymously.
(2) The 2FD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting
the discussion(s).
(a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the 2FD
to achieve near-ideal weight.
(b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when their
weight becomes near-ideal.
(c) For (b) see: http://tinyurl.com/moreChungbullshit
(3) Steve did not start the discussion(s).
(4) The 2 foot diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have
tried to attack Steve's credentials knowing full well that they were
attempting to libel him. One notable example is Dr. Chung who is
jealous that Steve has improved on his diet.
When the full light was cast on Dr. Chung's libelous statements, the
hateful folks hiding in the darkness of anonymity, most notably Mu,
only hissed louder in support of their fallen hero.
Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either
actively or as lurkers can easily dismiss the hisses, for what they
are, using the on-line third-party resources at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/sign_up_to_be_a_patient.asp
Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning
the anon posters who continue to hiss, most notably Mu:
(1) They are anonymous and thus expect to have no credibility (or
accountability).
(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory
characters.
(3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to deliver
one-sided insults.
(4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Steve by cross-
posting.
(5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the
2FD or its author.
and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.
Unfortunately, they keep Mu_Tating so that it is impossible to killfile
them.
It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to
speed.
It will remain my pleasure to participate here on Usenet above the din
of hissing from the peanut gallery.
Sincerely,
Steve
(in message <401009AC...@heartmdphd.com>):
> Myway wrote:
>
>> JC Der Koenig wrote:
>>>
>>> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>>> news:400EE785...@heartmdphd.com...
>>>> Largest Mu_n wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/33svn
>>>>>
>>>>> "Atkins is dead. I don't believe that bullshit that he dropped dead
>>>>> slipping on a sidewalk, yeah right, joked Bloomberg.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chowing down on huge plate of pasta, Bloomberg ripped into the man who
>>>>> told dieters to stay away from carbohydrates.
>>>>>
>>>>> Atkins died last April when he hit his head after slipping on a patch
>>>>> of ice in front of his Manhattan office.
>>>>>
>>>>> I actually went to his house out in South Hampton, said Bloomberg. It
>>>>> was for a fundraiser about two years ago. It was for Pataki
>>>>> fundraiser, and I went. The guy was fat -- a big guy but heavy and the
>>>>> food was inedible. I took one appetizer and spit it out in the napkin.
>>>>> It was just terrible."
>>>>
>>>> Interesting interview. A word to the wise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> <hissing snipped>
>
> FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
> Because the
> author of the message to which I am responding did not request that the
> header be
> trimmed, I have not trimmed it.
YooHoo, Chung?...Chung?... when you respond to this with your macro,
please trim the headers.
Thanks.
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
request that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are
upset about reading this message, a few suggestions:
(1) Yell at Chung
(2) Report Chung to his ISP
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.
This discussion(s) is related to the Two Foot Diet approach (2FD) which
Though Steve invented this approach, he did not initiate this Usenet
discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has been
voluntary and has been conducted in the spirit of community service.
His motivation has been entirely altruistic and has arisen from his
religious beliefs as a Christian. Jesus freely gave of Himself to
better the health of folks He touched:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/hypocrite.asp
From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are
vehemently opposed to the 2 foot diet approach. They have debated
Steve on every perceived weakness of the 2 foot diet approach and have
lost the argument soundly at every point:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp ... just substitute "Foot" for
"Pound" everywhere.
These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this and
other discussion threads.
However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the
argument(s), certain parties have redirected their hatred of the 2 foot
diet approach toward its author. The rationale appears to be "if you
can not discredit the message then try to discredit the messenger."
Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll"
is someone who posts under the cloak of anonymity messages with no
redeeming discussion value and with the sole purpose of starting
"flame" wars.
These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the
following observations were made:
(1) Steve has not been posting anonymously.
(2) The 2FD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting
the discussion(s).
(a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the 2FD
to achieve near-ideal weight.
(b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when their
weight becomes near-ideal.
(c) For (b) see: http://tinyurl.com/moreChungbullshit
(3) Steve did not start the discussion(s).
(4) The 2 foot diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have
tried to attack Steve's credentials knowing full well that they were
attempting to libel him. One notable example is Dr. Chung who is
jealous that Steve has improved on his diet.
When the full light was cast on Dr. Chung's libelous statements, the
hateful folks hiding in the darkness of anonymity, most notably Mu,
only hissed louder in support of their fallen hero.
Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either
actively or as lurkers can easily dismiss the hisses, for what they
are, using the on-line third-party resources at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/sign_up_to_be_a_patient.asp
Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning
the anon posters who continue to hiss, most notably Mu:
(1) They are anonymous and thus expect to have no credibility (or
accountability).
(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory
characters.
(3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to deliver
one-sided insults.
(4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Steve by cross-
posting.
(5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the
2FD or its author.
and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.
Unfortunately, they keep Mu_Tating so that it is impossible to killfile
them.
It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to
speed.
It will remain my pleasure to participate here on Usenet above the din
of hissing from the peanut gallery.
Sincerely,
Lance-A-Lot
news:fafb4920.0401...@posting.google.com...
> WOW!! diet by length?
>
> Put me down for the 8 or 9 inch diet :) could be heaven!
>
> nancyy
Yeah, since I haven't learned portion "control" yet, put me down for a couple
of YARDS. HAH!
--
Steve, T2 since 9/29/03
Eat much, eat more, eat fast, die quick...
Linda Harms
nos...@nospam.com says...
--
************************************
Linda Harms
New York, NY
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5
Steve
(in message <MPG.1a79ffcab...@News.CIS.DFN.DE>):
<snip>
> LOL. Anyone have an LC recipe for FRUITCAKE???????
Steve's LC FruitCake:
8 Atkins FrankenFruit Bars
3 cups Almond Flour
1 cup heavy cream
8 Tbs Splenda
Grind up FrankenFruit Bars into a paste. Blend in Almond Flour.
Chill. Add Cream and Splenda. Mix well. Pour into cake pan and let
sit until it hardens or turns rancid.
n k bakker
Largest Mu_n
your post anywhere within one Page Down scroll, I suppose it isn't
worth reading. So I didn't.
=============================================================
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:42:44 -0500, Linda Harms <onpe...@aol.com>
wrote:
Mack
<cardio...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
the mu sock puppet trolls the group then the cardiologist that got
fired and chased out of florida posts his fad diet crap.
please ignore these posts and do not continue cross posting them.
the mu/chung only does this when people give it the attention it
craves.
Mack
Type 1 since 1975
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
In tribute to the United States of America and the State
of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
terrorism.
Largest Mu_n
wrote:
>the mu sock puppet trolls the group then the cardiologist that got
>fired and chased out of florida posts his fad diet crap.
Then Mack comes along and plays TROLL to SMC even when his home ng
begs him not to.
>please ignore these posts and do not continue cross posting them.
Too late. Click "Send Now".
Evelyn Ruut
"Ignoramus16608" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.16608.invalid> wrote in message
news:bumoj1$9sc$0...@pita.alt.net...
> I saw very few photographs of Dr Atkins. The ones I saw, had clothes
> that obscured his body in a manner typical of fat people. It was very
> hard to tell whether Dr Atkins was fat, or whether he just wore bulky
> clothes. Does anyone have a recent picture of Dr Atkins where his body
> type would be clearly discernible?
>
> As for his death, it is also kind of interesting to find out just what
> is it that Atkins died from. The story about falling on ice, may be
> true, but raises enough questions as to merit looking a little bit
> further.
>
> i
> 223/176/180
I saw him live on Larry King's show not long before he died, and he was NOT
a fat guy by any means.
I also once fell on ice and hit my head so hard on the pavement that I had
dizzy spells for months, under the care of a neurologist for all that time,
MRI's and all kinds of expense hassle and misery. Yeah, you can
definitely die from falling on ice.
--
Evelyn
(To reply to me personally, remove sox)
Doug Freyburger
>
> http://tinyurl.com/33svn
>
> "Atkins is dead. I don't believe that bullshit that he dropped dead
> slipping on a sidewalk, yeah right, joked Bloomberg.
>
> Chowing down on huge plate of pasta, Bloomberg ripped into the man who
> told dieters to stay away from carbohydrates.
>
> Atkins died last April when he hit his head after slipping on a patch
> of ice in front of his Manhattan office.
In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny: "What a maroon." Oh right, Bloomberg
too.
Sleepyman
>LOL. Anyone have an LC recipe for FRUITCAKE???????
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Sleepyman
>did Elvis tell you about this when you were on the UFO with him?
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SM
Sleepyman
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.31635.invalid> wrote:
>Thanks Evelyn
>
>i
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tcomeau
> did Elvis tell you about this when you were on the UFO with him?
What can I say? The guy OWNS a owns Johns Hopkins University School of
Public Health. Johns Hopkins has been against Atkins since its
inception. They routinely create "science" for profit. Now Bloomberg
is getting personal and downright mean about it. Are you saying that
it is completly unrelated?
TC
That T Woman
"Ignoramus31635" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.31635.invalid> wrote in message
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>
Whoa, I guess I did the right thing by using my hand to break my fall when I
slipped on ice back in '94, better a broken wrist than dead.
Tonia
Evelyn Ruut
"That T Woman" <Th...@notyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1011186...@corp.supernews.com...
Bet your wrist healed faster than my head injury. Truth is that you never
ever really get over a head injury. Trust me, I know. The ice fall was
only one. I also landed on my head years ago in a motorcycle accident.
Fortunately the helmet prevented the worst damage - The ice fall was far
worse.
Evelyn Ruut
"Sleepyman" <e...@moms.com> wrote in message
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SM,
Isn't this whole thread X posted? Sorry bout that.
--
Evelyn
(To reply to me personally, remove sox)
>
That T Woman
"> > Whoa, I guess I did the right thing by using my hand to break my fall
when
> I
> > slipped on ice back in '94, better a broken wrist than dead.
> >
> > Tonia
>
>
> Bet your wrist healed faster than my head injury. Truth is that you
never
> ever really get over a head injury. Trust me, I know. The ice fall was
> only one. I also landed on my head years ago in a motorcycle accident.
> Fortunately the helmet prevented the worst damage - The ice fall was far
> worse.
> --
> Evelyn
>
> (To reply to me personally, remove sox)
>
Undoubtedly, it did. IIRC, it took about 10 weeks in a cast and then a
while longer for the stiffness to completelly go away.
Tonia
Sleepyman
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Pretty much. Maybe I think that the regs, and semi regs in this group are a
little better than than those who inhabit those "other" groups. Geeze,
*that* is a scary thought!
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BJ in Texas
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 0:02:18 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung,
Steve is it okay, when eating peas, to measure only one pea and
multiply by the number of peas, or do we have to line them up?
:-) BJ
Steve
(in message <6r9Qb.10799$Ek7....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>):
BJ, thanks for your question and this opportunity to witness. I find
that when applying the Two Foot Diet, one must apply "an inch of common
sense". Although one can multiply, I would point out that when doing
so, any errors in measurement will be compounded. Also, the variance
in pea diameter is not negligible. That is why I always recommend
lining them up and measuring the result.
A second reason is that what we are trying to achieve through this diet
is portion control through simplicity. Many people are challenged by
multiplication and give up.
Please notice that I am providing the 2FD free of charge and am
donating all the non-proceeds to "Hypocrites Without Borders". You
will be encouraged to know that I have experienced a 100% success rate
with the 2FD. Of course, I can't release any data, but I'm sure you
will trust me on this... because, if you don't, that would be evidence
of your hatred of me, of the TFD, and of Christianity.
Humbly,
Sprgtime
<lbu...@pobox.com> wrote in message news:8yjyaf...@pobox.com...
> You may be interested in a new product I'm marketing. It's a wooden
> board with a 2' groove down the center. It makes dieting a snap! Just
> scoop peas onto the board, gently nudge them into the groove, and when
> the entire groove is full, stop.
>
> The Two-Foot Groove Board(tm) is also great for portioning celery,
> carrots, nuts, and other similar food items.
>
> Watch for the Two-Foot Groove Dish(tm), for measuring pudding and mashed
> potatoes!
Wow! This product sounds even better than the egg peeler! Where can I buy
it? How much is it? Will I get a discount if I show them all the other As
Seen on TV gadgets I've already had the pleasure of purchasing? :)
Hee hee hee.
--
Spring
LC since 1/1/04
250/239/170
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
That would be Steve (nos...@nospam.com) :-)
Humbly,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
Steve
(in message <8yjyaf...@pobox.com>):
> Steve <st...@nochung.org> writes:
>>
>> BJ, thanks for your question and this opportunity to witness. I
>> find that when applying the Two Foot Diet, one must apply "an inch
>> of common sense". Although one can multiply, I would point out that
>> when doing so, any errors in measurement will be compounded. Also,
>> the variance in pea diameter is not negligible. That is why I always
>> recommend lining them up and measuring the result.
>
> You may be interested in a new product I'm marketing.
<hissing snipped>
I can see into your heart, Satan! You just want to sabotage the Two
Foot Diet by mocking it! For it is written Matthew 5:
11"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and
falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and
be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way
they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
The Untruthful often design new products.
You have my pity. I will add you to my prayer list.
By the way, I have designed an easy to use data base program for
maintaining enemy and prayer lists. I will be making it available on
my web site as a completely altruistic gesture shortly.
Humbler than you,
Linda Harms
st...@nochung.org says...
Steve, my local healh food store has started selling food that is
labelled as "Low-Length." I looked at one product, which was called
"Low-Length Shortbread." The nutritional information on the package
states that the length of a serving of cookies is 8 inches, but that the
"net" length is 2 inches because you can subtract the spaces between the
flour, butter, and sugar molecules.
Is that true?
tcomeau
> > LOL. Anyone have an LC recipe for FRUITCAKE???????
>
> That would be Steve (nos...@nospam.com) :-)
>
> Humbly,
>
> Andrew
FOAD.
No-one is interested in anything you say. You board certified quack.
TC
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Then why are you responding?
> You board certified quack.
>
Is the above wise?
Look at what Pastorio has been reduced to:
http://www.heartmphd.com/libel.asp
Humbly,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
n k bakker
in heaven...2 feet would be rather painful.
nancyy
Tony Lew
How about salami? I have this uncut roll of salami that is about 1 ft
long. Can I eat two rolls, or do I have to slice it first eat only
two feet worth of slices measured across the diameter?
kvs
Thanks for the info about the Johns Hopkins and Bloomberg link.
It shows a clear conflict of interest. Ignore the little worm
with a brainless one liner.
Myway
Why is this cross-posted so much?
Dawn Taylor
I'm having trouble getting an accurate measure on hard-boiled eggs,
being as they're ovoids. Do I line them up side-by-side, or
end-to-end?
Dawn
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Discussing the Atkin's diet (and reactions to this discussion) is on-topic for the groups to which this thread is being
cross-posted.
Steve
(in message <40118F2E...@yahoo.com>):
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
<snip>
> Why is this cross-posted so much?
Read this:
"A. B. Chung FAQ" <chun...@faqbot.net> wrote in message
news:chungfaq-DBFB6D...@library.airnews.net...
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> | The Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD FAQ |
> | Version 1.0, January, 2004 |
> ---------------------------------
>
> Introduction
> ------------
> New people arriving in sci.med.cardiology (s.m.c.) are often puzzled
> and troubled by the controversy surrounding the poster who posts as Dr.
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Dr. Chung) and want to know what the
> controversy is about. This FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) attempts
> to provide an answer.
>
> The FAQ is arranged in typical FAQ form, i.e. a series of questions and
> answers. For those who don¹t wish to read the whole FAQ, the following
> summary is provided.
>
> Summary
> -------
> Dr. Chung represents himself to be a licensed physician specializing in
> cardiology. In this capacity he responds to medical questions on
> s.m.c.. If that were all he did, there would probably be no
> controversy.
>
> The controversy arises from Dr. Chung¹s other behaviors on s.m.c., in
> particular:
>
> o He uses s.m.c. to not only proselytize his particular interpretation
> of Christianity, but also to disparage and attack anyone with a
> different interpretation or different religion.
>
> o He uses s.m.c. to promote his unscientific Two Pound Diet (2PD) and,
> in fact, cross posts this information to other groups in order to
> gain more exposure.
>
> o When challenged on the above issues, or one of his medical opinions,
> he attacks his challengers as "obsessive anti-Christians",
> "libelers", "homosexuals", "people who can¹t understand English",
> etc.
>
> o When challenged he performs Internet searches on his challengers in
> order to "get the dirt" on them and smear their reputations.
>
> o When challenged, he answers with evasions, non sequiturs,
> dissembling, rhetorical questions, quotes from the bible, religious
> mantras, thinly veiled death threats, ad hominem arguments, and other
> such disreputable, unethical, and unprofessional tactics.
>
> o He is insufferably full of himself, claiming to have "the gift of
> Truth Discernment" and to be "Humble" while behaving anything but
> humbly.
>
> o He uses a foil who posts under variations of the name "Mu" to avoid
> killfiles. Mu¹s job is to troll other newsgroups and, when he gets
> a reaction, to cross post the reaction to s.m.c. so that Dr. Chung
> can disingenuously claim to be "only responding" to a cross post.
> Whereas Dr. Chung has to be somewhat careful what he says and so
> attacks primarily through insinuation and innuendo, Mu¹s tactics
> are blunt and direct like those of a playground bully.
>
> The above lists only the highlights of Dr. Chung¹s egregious behavior
> on s.m.c.. If anything, it understates it. Everything can be verified
> in the Google archives.
>
> The issue then arises: so what? As long as Dr. Chung provides free
> medical advice on s.m.c., who cares what else he does?
>
> Many people provide free medical advice on the internet. How does one
> know whether it is good advice or bad advice? If the person giving the
> advice is, or represents himself to be, a doctor shouldn¹t that be
> enough? Unfortunately, no.
>
> Medical education alone is not enough to guarantee good advice.
> Knowledge must be tempered with judgment, impartiality, integrity,
> ethics, and professionalism. If someone consistently demonstrates by
> their behavior that they lack these qualities, how much credence should
> be given to their medical advice?
>
> People arrive in this group looking for help. For their own
> protection, they deserve to know the quality of the person purporting
> to dispense that help and not be lulled into a false sense of security
> simply because someone displays an MD after their name. It is the
> intention of this FAQ to provide people with enough information to
> allow them to make an informed decision.
>
> List of Questions Answered
> --------------------------
> 1. Who is Dr. Andrew B Chung, MD/PhD?
> 2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.?
> 3. Aren¹t Religious Discussions Covered by the Charter?
> 4. So Dr. Chung is Religious... What¹s the Problem With That?
> 5. But it¹s Just a Little "Tag Line" in His Signature.
> 6. But I¹m a Christian Too!
> 7. Well, Why Not Just Ignore His Religious Rants?
> 8. But Isn¹t It Wonderful That Dr. Chung Offers This Free
> Medical Advice Out of the Goodness of His Heart?
> 9. How Does a Practicing Physician Find so Much Time to Spend on
> Usenet?
> 10. Won¹t Challenging Dr. Chung Drive People Away?
> 11. Doesn't the "Fault" for all Those Posts Lay With Those Who
> Challenge Dr. Chung?
> 12. Why Do I see So Many "Ad Hominem" Attacks?
> 13. I'm Sick of Seeing All This!
> 14. What is the Two Pound Diet?
> 15. Is Discussion of the Two Pound Diet "On Topic"?
> 16. Who is Mu?
> 17. What is Mu¹s Role?
>
>
> 1. Who is Dr. Andrew B Chung, MD/PhD?
> --------------------------------------
> The poster who posts as Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD claims to be a
> licensed physician, practicing internal medicine in Atlanta, Georgia,
> USA and specializing in cardiology. His signature contains a link to a
> website which is consistent with his posts.
>
> It should be noted that anyone can claim to be anyone on Usenet and so
> caution is always advised. Indeed there are those who claim that the
> poster in question is not Dr. Andrew B. Chung, or is not the Dr. Andrew
> B. Chung listed in the Atlanta telephone directory, and/or has lost his
> license and/or hospital privileges for misconduct. This FAQ does not
> attempt to address those claims one way or the other. The reader with
> an interest in these matters can easily find the relevant discussions
> archived in Google Groups.
>
> This FAQ deals with the poster who posts as Dr. Chung and restricts
> itself to issues demonstrated by those posts. No position is taken on
> his "true" identity.
>
> 2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.?
> ----------------------------------
> The purpose of this newsgroup is to establish electronic media for
> communication between health care providers, scientists and other
> individuals with interest in the cardiovascular field. Such
> communications will provide quick and efficacious means to exchange
> information and knowledge, and offer problems to solutions.
>
> The sci.med.cardiology newsgroup will welcome participants who are
> health care providers, trainees, researchers, students or recipients
> with interest in the field of cardiovascular problems."
>
> (ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/sci/sci.med.cardiology)
>
>
> 3. Aren¹t Religious Discussions Covered by the Charter?
> --------------------------------------------------------
> What do you think?
>
> 4. So Dr. Chung is Religious... What¹s the Problem With That?
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> There is no problem with that. Most of the people who participate in
> s.m.c. are probably religious. However no one but Dr. Chung feels
> compelled to characterize themselves as the "Humble Servant of God" in
> their signatures, continually thank God for the opportunity to
> "witness", question others about their religious beliefs, claim the
> "Gift of Truth Discernment", etc.
>
> When one person insists on introducing his personal religious
> interpretations into the discussions, it naturally generates responses
> from others who feel just as strongly that their viewpoints are
> correct. The resulting debate easily swirls out of control, especially
> given Dr. Chung¹s intolerant and dismissive attitude towards beliefs
> which differ from his. The situation is further exacerbated by Mu¹s
> rabble raising from the sidelines.
>
> There are over 160 Usenet groups dedicated to the discussion of
> religion. Dr. Chung should take his beliefs to one of these and stick
> to cardiology in s.m.c. It is a simple matter of respect for others.
>
> 5. But it¹s Just a Little "Tag Line" in His Signature.
> -------------------------------------------------------
> No, it is not. He has even gone so far as to "investigate" someone
> asking for advice about stents and accuse her of being anti-Christian.
>
> 6. But I¹m a Christian Too!
> ----------------------------
> Lots of people are Christians. There is a time and a place for
> everything. s.m.c. isn¹t the place to "witness" or recruit. In
> addition, lots of other people are Jews, Moslems, Buddhists,
> Taoists, Hindus, etc. Would s.m.c. be better or worse if they
> all emulated Dr. Chung in their proselytizing and recruiting?
>
> Furthermore, if you are a Christian, you should be appalled by Dr.
> Chung¹s pharisaical, cynical, and manipulative use of Christianity. He
> is truly a "whitened sepulcher", loudly proclaiming his adherence to
> Christian values while overtly lying, carrying on smear campaigns
> against others, making false accusations, dissembling, and marketing
> his web site under the guise of altruism. He is "bearing false
> witness" and true Christians should be concerned.
>
> As an example, when John Ritter recently died unexpectedly, Dr. Chung
> rushed to use this unfortunate event to market his web site. He showed
> a total lack of Christian compassion for Mr. Ritter and his family,
> even when challenged to do so.
>
> As another example, he recently choreographed a smear campaign against
> a poster who had criticized him. Dr. Chung found a homosexual author
> with the same first name and then insinuated that the poster and anyone
> who agreed with him were engaged in a homosexual relationship. Ask
> yourself if this the brand of Christianity you identify with.
>
> 7. Well, Why Not Just Ignore His Religious Rants?
> --------------------------------------------------
> Why should one individual be given carte blanche to violate the rights
> of everyone else? Usenet is a community. It is up to the community to
> sanction its members. There is nothing "ad hominem" about challenging
> inappropriate and antisocial behavior.
>
> 8. But Isn¹t It Wonderful That Dr. Chung Offers This Free
> Medical Advice Out of the Goodness of His Heart?
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> First, it is only of value if it is good advice. Medical education
> alone is not enough to guarantee good advice. Knowledge must be
> tempered with judgment, impartiality, integrity, ethics, and
> professionalism. If someone consistently demonstrates by their
> behavior that they lack these qualities, how much credence should be
> given to their medical advice?
>
> Secondly, despite his protestations to the contrary, Dr. Chung is not
> simply motivated by altruism. Every post of Dr. Chung's contains a
> link to a website with the following quote:
>
> "If you are looking for a cardiologist and reside in Georgia,
> please consider me your best option for a personal heart advocate.
> Check out my credentials and my background. Additional information
> is available in the protected sections of this web site. Email me at
> cardio...@heartmdphd.com to me of your interest and I may send
> you a temporary username and password to allow a preview. The more
> information you email, the more likely my decision to send you a
> temporary username and password. If you like what you see and learn
> from this website and wish to confer with me about your heart, you
> or your doctor should email me privately or call my voicemail at
> 404-699-2780 to schedule an appointment to see me at my *real*
> office."
> (http://www.heartmdphd.com/office.asp)
>
> Thirdly, Dr. Chung has repeatedly stated that one of his key
> motivations for participating is s.m.c. is to "witness" and win
> converts to his religious beliefs.
>
> 9. How Does a Practicing Physician Find so Much Time to Spend on
> Usenet?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> An interesting question.
>
> 10. Won¹t Challenging Dr. Chung Drive People Away?
> --------------------------------------------------
> Perhaps. But not challenging him will drive others away.
>
> s.m.c. is historically a "low traffic" group. Therefore, when Dr. Chung
> misbehaves, he generates an apparently large response. This is
> compounded by Dr. Chung¹s need to "get in the last word" and Mu¹s
> provocations. In spite of this, if someone has a question it will
> usually be answered.
>
> Dr. Chung is not the only participant who offers advice in s.m.c. He
> is not even the only doctor who participates in s.m.c. However, the
> controversy he generates and sustains often makes it appear that he is
> the "only game in town".
>
> Finally, Dr. Chung himself drives others away including other
> physicians who leave in disgust after being verbally assaulted by him,
> and other knowledgeable posters who point out where Dr. Chung¹s medical
> opinion might be in error or at least not the only one generally held.
> Anyone disagreeing with Dr. Chung on any subject can expect a series of
> increasingly vitriolic attacks, including threats of libel suits.
>
> 11. Doesn't the "Fault" for all Those Posts Lay With Those Who
> Challenge Dr. Chung?
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> An interesting perspective: blame the victim. No other poster
> (with the exception of Mu, of course) introduces religion or
> the Two Pound Diet. How can it be acceptable for Dr. Chung
> to introduce these topics, but not acceptable for others to
> respond?
>
> In any thread, someone must, of necessity "get the last word".
> Dr. Chung has amply demonstrated that he will not be outdone
> in this respect.
>
> 12. Why Do I see So Many "Ad Hominem" Attacks?
> ----------------------------------------------
> You are probably referring to an "Ad Hominem" _argument_, which
> attempts to disprove an adversary's fact by personal attack on
> the adversary. An example would be "You are opposed to the
> Two Pound Diet because you are anti-Christian".
>
> When someone misbehaves, for example lies or distorts what
> someone else is saying, it is not an "ad hominem attack" to
> call them on it. It is a legitimate social sanction.
>
> There are also, unfortunately too often, simple personal
> attacks and insults on both sides. While we can all wish
> it weren't so, it is simply human nature when an argument
> becomes heated or the other person is obviously not arguing
> in good faith. If you are distressed by this, see the next
> question.
>
> 13. I'm Sick of Seeing All This!
> --------------------------------
> There is no reason why you have to see it. Just as you can
> change the TV channel if you don't like a show, you can killfile
> a poster or thread you don't want to see. See the manual
> that came with your Usenet reader for directions on how to do it.
>
> Before you do this, however, you may wish to consider if a truer
> picture of the world is not gained by seeing all that goes on -
> both the good and the bad.
>
> 14. What is the Two Pound Diet?
> -------------------------------
> The Two pound Diet is a diet which Dr. Chung "invented". It¹s only
> rule is to restrict yourself to two pounds of food per day. That¹s it.
> Doesn¹t matter if you are a 16 year old girl or an 80 year old man; a
> 5¹ 2" woman or a 7¹ man; a weight lifter or a mattress tester. Two
> pounds. That¹s it. No more, less if you want. One size fits all.
>
> Oh, and the food? Whatever you want: two pounds of lettuce, two pounds
> of ice cream, two pounds of celery, two pounds of bacon, two pounds of
> chocolate, two pounds of peanuts... doesn¹t matter. Mix and match.
> Just keep it under two pounds.
>
> Dr. Chung¹s claim is that this magical weight of food, this universal
> gustatory constant will cause everyone to arrive at and maintain their
> ideal weight. His scientific basis for this claim: none. The proof he
> offers: none. Studies supporting this claim: none. Nutritional
> explanation: none. Metabolic explanation: none.
>
> And this from a doctor who expects people to take him seriously on
> other issues.
>
> 15. Is Discussion of the Two Pound Diet "On Topic"?
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Dr. Chung says it is because being overweight is a risk factor for
> heart problems and therefore discussion of the Two Pound Diet is On
> Topic. However criticism of the Two Pound Diet is Off Topic as is
> discussion of any other diet.
>
> As with religion, Dr. Chung takes every opportunity to introduce the
> Two Pound Diet (2PD) into any other thread. In addition Mu trolls
> other newsgroups, particularly the diet groups looking for
> opportunities to introduce the 2PD in these groups and then cross post
> the resulting discussion back to s.m.c so that Dr. Chung can
> disingenuously claim to be "only responding" to a cross post.
>
> Since Dr. Chung and Mu have been laughed off of these other groups and
> have been asked repeatedly not to bring up the 2PD in them,
> participants of these groups are understandably angered when it happens
> yet againS and, because of Mu¹s cross-posting, all their anger spills
> back into s.m.c.
>
> Another reason for ongoing 2PD discussions is Dr. Chung¹s habit of
> researching anyone who criticizes the 2PD and then cross-posting his
> responses back to other groups which the critic has been found to
> frequent. He disingenuously claims that he does this as a
> "convenience" to the critic, but his true reasons are transparent.
> Once again, the cross-post generates a firestorm in s.m.c.
>
> The bottom line is that if the Two Pound Diet is "On Topic" for
> anyone, it is "On Topic" for everyone... including it's critics.
> If it is "Off Topic", it should not be continually re-introduced
> by Dr. Chung.
>
> 16. Who is Mu?
> --------------
> Mu is a longtime Usenet Troll who has even merited his own FAQ. He
> postures as some kind of personal physical trainer, but who really
> knows? He has allied himself with Dr. Chung and serves as the "Bad Cop"
> in the Chung - Mu "Good Cop - Bad Cop" routine. He specializes in the
> short, nasty one-liner and, because unlike Dr. Chung, he has no
> reputation to protect, he can afford to be much more direct and
> offensive.
>
> Mu parrots an even meaner-spirited version of Dr. Chung¹s
> "Christianity" and does not hesitate to employ anti-Semitism and
> homophobia in his attacks.
>
> Naturally, most people would have long ago killfiled Mu, so he changes
> his handle on an almost daily basis.
>
> 17. What is Mu¹s Role?
> ----------------------
> Mu¹s role is to troll other newsgroups and, when he gets a reaction, to
> cross post the reaction to s.m.c. so that Dr. Chung can disingenuously
> claim to be "only responding" to a cross post.
>
> Mu is also responsible for pitching softballs to Dr. Chung so he can
> hit them out of the park, and for re-introducing religion and the Two
> Pound Diet should the discussion flag.
>
> Finally, Mu¹s role is to tirelessly wear down unsuspecting Dr. Chung
> critics, deflecting the blows that would otherwise be aimed at Dr.
> Chung. He is Dr. Chung¹s Internet equivalent of the "rope-a-dope".
> Insults roll off him like water off a duck as do attempts to reason
> with him or even have a civil discussion.
>
> Most people have learned to ignore him and his comment is usually the
> last one in any thread sub-tree where it appears.
>
> Comments and/or corrections to this FAQ will be taken under advisement.
Steve
(in message <5c7896da.04012...@posting.google.com>):
Tony, I think you should talk to Nancy who appears to be interested in
Salamis:
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:43:28 -0500, n k bakker wrote
> (in message <fafb4920.04012...@posting.google.com>):
>
>> I said it before and I'll say it again... gimme 8 inches a day and I'm
>> in heaven...2 feet would be rather painful.
>>
>> nancyy
Thank you for this opportunity to witless.
I may not be very Humble, but I'm Humbler than you,
Steve
(in message <MPG.1a7b42b3f...@News.CIS.DFN.DE>):
Those who lack the "Gift of Truth Discernment" are often confused by
such marketing Hype. Do not feel bad, for it is written:
2And behold.
You should definitely _not_ subtract the spaces between the molecules.
Although you may think it is empty, we now know that it is filled with
"Black Matter". Black Matter reacts with the muon neutrino cycle in
your body to keep you positively charged. You would have to be a
heartmdphd to understand it, but trust me, you do _not_ want to become
negatively charged.
Sleepyman
And another X-Poster from :alt.support.diabetes:272480
alt.support.diet.low-carb:676142 sci.med.cardiology:58952
alt.support.diet:396210
Sleepyman
Wow, an improvement! Only X_Posted to : alt.support.diabetes:272482
alt.support.diet.low-carb:676167 sci.med.cardiology:58956
alt.support.diet:396214
Ear Rings
"tcomeau" <tund...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b550f406.04012...@posting.google.com...
Steve
(in message <bus5di$jiq$0...@pita.alt.net>):
> Two foot diet... hm...
>
> How about a six inches popsicle diet?
Although some of my clients find that they do not need the whole two
feet, others like Nancy report that they require at least eight inches:
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:43:28 -0500, n k bakker wrote
> (in message <fafb4920.04012...@posting.google.com>):
>
>> I said it before and I'll say it again... gimme 8 inches a day and I'm
>> in heaven...2 feet would be rather painful.
>>
>> nancyy
>
One always has to apply "an inch of common sense" (haw, haw).
Thank you for this opportunity to witless.
Humbly
Steve
(in message <8a4310h5aiv20lq83...@4ax.com>):
Dawn, thank you for your discerning question. If you read my
instructions carefully, you will see that you are to measure the
_greatest dimension_. Hence, unless your eggs are from a mutant
chicken, you should line them up end-to-end.
I just want you to know that I do not receive any compensation for the
Two Foot Diet. If you would like to thank me in some small way, just
send a contribution in my name to the Re-Elect Bush Campaign :-)
Ever so Humbly,
Steve
(in message <fafb4920.04012...@posting.google.com>):
> I said it before and I'll say it again... gimme 8 inches a day and I'm
> in heaven...2 feet would be rather painful.
>
> nancyy
Thank you again for witnessing for the efficacy of the 2FD Nancy. May
I use your endorsement on my Testi-moan-ial page?
The Greatest Humble One of All,
Sleepyman
>Steve <st...@nochung.org> writes:
>>
>> BJ, thanks for your question and this opportunity to witness. I
>> find that when applying the Two Foot Diet, one must apply "an inch
>> of common sense". Although one can multiply, I would point out that
>> when doing so, any errors in measurement will be compounded. Also,
>> the variance in pea diameter is not negligible. That is why I always
>> recommend lining them up and measuring the result.
>
>You may be interested in a new product I'm marketing. It's a wooden
>board with a 2' groove down the center. It makes dieting a snap! Just
>scoop peas onto the board, gently nudge them into the groove, and when
>the entire groove is full, stop.
>
>The Two-Foot Groove Board(tm) is also great for portioning celery,
>carrots, nuts, and other similar food items.
>
>Watch for the Two-Foot Groove Dish(tm), for measuring pudding and mashed
>potatoes!
>
>--Len.
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And another X-Poster to :alt.support.diabetes:272413
Sleepyman
>Linda Harms <onpe...@aol.com> writes:
>>
>> ...the "net" length is 2 inches because you can subtract the spaces
>> between the flour, butter, and sugar molecules. Is that true?
>
>Only if you can prove it. With my new product, the "Two-Foot Groove
>Masher", you insert the shortbreads, then the TFG plunger, then place
>the unit on the floor and jump on the plunger several times. Remove
>the plunger and measure!
>
>--Len.
Tony Lew
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:43:28 -0500, n k bakker wrote
> (in message <fafb4920.04012...@posting.google.com>):
>
> > I said it before and I'll say it again... gimme 8 inches a day and I'm
> > in heaven...2 feet would be rather painful.
> >
> > nancyy
>
> Thank you again for witnessing for the efficacy of the 2FD Nancy. May
> I use your endorsement on my Testi-moan-ial page?
>
>
> The Greatest Humble One of All,
Steve, have you ever been fired from a medical establishment after
less than 3 months employment for failure to provide quality care?
If not, I must demand that you cease posting diet advice, as only
those who have been so fired are qualified to post such advice.
Lance-A-Lot
news:7fc310thpiiu3r5a6...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:08:38 -0500, "Sprgtime" <no....@wanted.here> wrote:
>
> >
> ><lbu...@pobox.com> wrote in message news:8yjyaf...@pobox.com...
> >> You may be interested in a new product I'm marketing. It's a wooden
> >> board with a 2' groove down the center. It makes dieting a snap! Just
> >> scoop peas onto the board, gently nudge them into the groove, and when
> >> the entire groove is full, stop.
> >>
> >> The Two-Foot Groove Board(tm) is also great for portioning celery,
> >> carrots, nuts, and other similar food items.
> >>
> >> Watch for the Two-Foot Groove Dish(tm), for measuring pudding and mashed
> >> potatoes!
> >
> >Wow! This product sounds even better than the egg peeler! Where can I buy
> >it? How much is it? Will I get a discount if I show them all the other As
> >Seen on TV gadgets I've already had the pleasure of purchasing? :)
> >
> >Hee hee hee.
>
>
> Sleepy
I'm wondering if there is a "pocket" version of the board. Say, a 6" long
board with 4 grooves in it. That's 24", or 2 ft. This way it could be easily
carried when going to a restaurant.
--
Steve, T2 - 9/29/03
A1c 5.5 - 1/23/04
Amaryl & Metformin
Steve
(in message <5c7896da.04012...@posting.google.com>):
> Steve <st...@nochung.org> wrote in message
Tony, no I have never been fired from a medical establishment :-(
However, I don't have admission privileges at any hospitals. Does that
count?
If I Was Any Humbler, I'd Be Invisible,
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Steve <st...@nochung.org> wrote in message news:<0001HW.BC371B8E...@library.airnews.net>...
> > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:43:28 -0500, n k bakker wrote
> > (in message <fafb4920.04012...@posting.google.com>):
> >
> > > I said it before and I'll say it again... gimme 8 inches a day and I'm
> > > in heaven...2 feet would be rather painful.
> > >
> > > nancyy
> >
> > Thank you again for witnessing for the efficacy of the 2FD Nancy. May
> > I use your endorsement on my Testi-moan-ial page?
> >
> >
> > The Greatest Humble One of All,
>
> <libelous statements snipped>
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message. Because the author of the message to
which I am responding did not request that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are upset
about reading this message, a few suggestions:
(1) Yell at Tony Lew
(2) Report Tony Lew to his ISP
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.
This discussion(s) is related to the 2 pound diet approach (2PD) which is described completely at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
Though Dr. Chung invented this approach, he did not initiate the Usenet discussion(s). His participation in
this discussion(s) has been voluntary and has been conducted in the spirit of community service. His
motivation has been entirely altruistic and has arisen from his religious beliefs as a Christian. Jesus
freely gave of Himself to better the health of folks He touched:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp
From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are vehemently opposed to the 2 pound diet
approach. They have debated Dr. Chung on every perceived weakness of the 2 pound diet approach and have
lost the argument soundly at every point:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp
These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this discussion thread(s).
However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the argument(s), certain parties have redirected
their hatred of the 2 pound diet approach toward its author. The rationale appears to be "if you can not
discredit the message then try to discredit the messenger."
Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll" is someone who posts under the cloak
of anonymity messages with no redeeming discussion value and with the sole purpose of starting "flame" wars.
These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the following observations were made:
(1) Dr. Chung has not been posting anonymously.
(2) The 2PD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting the discussion(s).
(a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the 2PD to achieve near-ideal weight.
(b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when their weight becomes near-ideal.
(c) For (b) see: http://tinyurl.com/levc
(3) Dr. Chung did not start the discussion(s).
(4) The 2 pound diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
(5) Dr. Chung's credentials are real and easily verified on-line (including jpegs of the actual diplomas).
Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have tried to attack Dr. Chung's
credentials knowing full well that they were attempting to libel him. One notable example is Mr. Pastorio:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp
When the full light was cast on Mr. Pastorio's libelous statements, the hateful folks hiding in the darkness
of anonymity only hissed louder in support of their fallen hero.
Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either actively or as lurkers can easily
dismiss the hisses, for what they are, using the on-line third-party resources at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp
where Dr. Chung's credentials can be verified many times over and libelous claims that credentials were
bought are easily and summarily debunked.
Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning the anon posters who continue to hiss
(ie JC Der Koenig and Mack):
(1) They are anonymous and thus they expect to have no credibility (or accountability).
(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory characters.
(3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to deliver one-sided insults.
(4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Dr. Chung by cross-posting.
(5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the 2PD or its author.
and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.
It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to speed.
It will remain my pleasure to continue the discussion(s) about the 2PD above the din of hissing from the
peanut gallery.
God's humble bond-servant,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com
Steve
(in message <40129EB5...@heartmdphd.com>):
> Tony Lew wrote:
>
>> Steve <st...@nochung.org> wrote in message
>> news:<0001HW.BC371B8E...@library.airnews.net>...
>>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:43:28 -0500, n k bakker wrote
>>> (in message <fafb4920.04012...@posting.google.com>):
>>>
>>>> I said it before and I'll say it again... gimme 8 inches a day and I'm
>>>> in heaven...2 feet would be rather painful.
>>>>
>>>> nancyy
>>>
>>> Thank you again for witnessing for the efficacy of the 2FD Nancy. May
>>> I use your endorsement on my Testi-moan-ial page?
>>>
>>>
>>> The Greatest Humble One of All,
>>
>> <libelous statements snipped>
Libelous Statements???? Tony didn't even mention you... or anyone for
that matter. He simply asked me a question. Maybe you should read
http://heartmdphd.SendThe$$$Here/libel.asp
> FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
> Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
> request that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it.
Oh, and Chung... please trim the headers when responding with your
macro :-)
Thanks ever so much.
Your Humble Neighbor,
Steve
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
request that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are
upset about reading this message, a few suggestions:
(1) Yell at Chung
(2) Report Chung to his ISP
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.
This discussion(s) is related to the Two Foot Diet approach (2FD) which
I developed as a replacement for Dr. Chung's Amazing Logic Defying Two
Pound Diet to avoid having to carry a scale around.
In 2003, my wife and I watched an IMAX film about climbing the Bavarian
Alps and learned that despite their exhausting regimen, the climbers
consumed only 10 packages of wieners per week. That's less than 2 feet
of wieners per day! Since none of the climbers died from starvation, I
think it is safe to assume that 2 feet of food per day should be more
than adequate for us non-climbing folks.
So I started a little experiment with the agreeable obese friends in my
neighborhood. I gave them ordinary 6 inch rulers with instructions to
measure the length of everything substantial that passed into their
mouths. The only things exempted were water and sugar-free drinks. What
I learned was that my obese friends were consuming between 8 to 12 feet
of food per day! At the time, I was about 10 lbs. over my ideal body
weight so I decided to find out how much I was eating per day... 3
feet. I cut back to less than 2 feet and was at my proper weight in one
month.
My friends have responded similarly except they have taken longer
because of having to lose more weight. Admittedly, some of my obese
friends were especially slow to respond. They also happen to be the
ones with an unfortunate propensity for accidentally loosing their 6
inch rulers and taking weeks to buy replacements.
So here's the deal: measure all the food you eat, using it's longest
dimension, and keep the total length to less than two feet per day.
That's all there is. No scales, no counting calories or carbohydrates.
Heck, if you loose your ruler, you can even use the first joint of your
thumb to measure.
I am making this diet available as a public service and without
compensation.
If you have any questions, just see Dr. Chung's helpful FAQ and
substitute "Two Feet" for "Two Pounds" everywhere... what could be
simpler?
Though Steve invented this approach, he did not initiate this Usenet
discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has been
voluntary and has been conducted in the spirit of community service.
His motivation has been entirely altruistic and has arisen from his
religious beliefs as a Christian. Jesus freely gave of Himself to
better the health of folks He touched:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/hypocrite.asp
From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are
vehemently opposed to the 2 foot diet approach. They have debated
Steve on every perceived weakness of the 2 foot diet approach and have
lost the argument soundly at every point:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp ... just substitute "Foot" for
"Pound" everywhere.
These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this and
other discussion threads.
However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the
argument(s), certain parties have redirected their hatred of the 2 foot
diet approach toward its author. The rationale appears to be "if you
can not discredit the message then try to discredit the messenger."
Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll"
is someone who posts under the cloak of anonymity messages with no
redeeming discussion value and with the sole purpose of starting
"flame" wars.
These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the
following observations were made:
(1) Steve has not been posting anonymously.
(2) The 2FD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting
the discussion(s).
(a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the 2FD
to achieve near-ideal weight.
(b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when their
weight becomes near-ideal.
(c) For (b) see: http://tinyurl.com/moreChungbullshit
(3) Steve did not start the discussion(s).
(4) The 2 foot diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have
tried to attack Steve's credentials knowing full well that they were
attempting to libel him. One notable example is Dr. Chung who is
jealous that Steve has improved on his diet.
When the full light was cast on Dr. Chung's libelous statements, the
hateful folks hiding in the darkness of anonymity, most notably Mu,
only hissed louder in support of their fallen hero.
Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either
actively or as lurkers can easily dismiss the hisses, for what they
are, using the on-line third-party resources at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/sign_up_to_be_a_patient.asp
Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning
the anon posters who continue to hiss, most notably Mu:
(1) They are anonymous and thus expect to have no credibility (or
accountability).
(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory
characters.
(3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to deliver
one-sided insults.
(4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Steve by cross-
posting.
(5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the
2FD or its author.
and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.
Unfortunately, they keep Mu_Tating so that it is impossible to killfile
them.
It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to
speed.
It will remain my pleasure to participate here on Usenet above the din
of hissing from the peanut gallery.
Sincerely,
God's Other Humble Servant
Steve
Alan Rowe
*applauds*
hah
"Steve" <st...@nochung.org> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC380DBA...@library.airnews.net...
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:35:01 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
> (in message <40129EB5...@heartmdphd.com>):
>
<just snipping to keep things tidy>>
>
jpatti
GREAT performance piece! Especially Linda!
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Artfully done.
>
> *applauds*
>
Thanks :-)
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not request
that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are upset about
reading this message, a few suggestions:
(1) Yell at Alan Rowe
(2) Report Alan Rowe to his ISP
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.
This discussion(s) is related to the 2 pound diet approach (2PD) which is
described completely at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
Though Dr. Chung invented this approach, he did not initiate the Usenet
discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has been voluntary
and has been conducted in the spirit of community service. His motivation
has been entirely altruistic and has arisen from his religious beliefs as a
Christian. Jesus freely gave of Himself to better the health of folks He
touched:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp
From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are vehemently
opposed to the 2 pound diet approach. They have debated Dr. Chung on every
perceived weakness of the 2 pound diet approach and have lost the argument
soundly at every point:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp
These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this
discussion thread(s).
However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the argument(s),
certain parties have redirected their hatred of the 2 pound diet approach
toward its author. The rationale appears to be "if you can not discredit
the message then try to discredit the messenger."
Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll" is
someone who posts under the cloak of anonymity messages with no redeeming
discussion value and with the sole purpose of starting "flame" wars.
These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the
following observations were made:
(1) Dr. Chung has not been posting anonymously.
(2) The 2PD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting the
discussion(s).
(a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the 2PD to
achieve near-ideal weight.
(b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when their
weight becomes near-ideal.
(c) For (b) see: http://tinyurl.com/levc
(3) Dr. Chung did not start the discussion(s).
(4) The 2 pound diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
(5) Dr. Chung's credentials are real and easily verified on-line (including
jpegs of the actual diplomas).
Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have
tried to attack Dr. Chung's credentials knowing full well that they were
attempting to libel him. One notable example is Mr. Pastorio:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp
When the full light was cast on Mr. Pastorio's libelous statements, the
hateful folks hiding in the darkness of anonymity only hissed louder in
support of their fallen hero.
Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either
actively or as lurkers can easily dismiss the hisses, for what they are,
using the on-line third-party resources at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp
where Dr. Chung's credentials can be verified many times over and libelous
claims that credentials were bought are easily and summarily debunked.
Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning the
anon posters who continue to hiss (ie JC Der Koenig and Mack):
(1) They are anonymous and thus they expect to have no credibility (or
accountability).
(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory
characters.
(3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to deliver
one-sided insults.
(4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Dr. Chung by
cross-posting.
(5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the 2PD or
its author.
and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.
It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to speed.
It will remain my pleasure to continue the discussion(s) about the 2PD
above the din of hissing from the peanut gallery.
Sincerely,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> *wild applause*
>
> GREAT performance piece!
Thanks :-)
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
request that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are
upset about reading this message, a few suggestions:
(1) Yell at jpatti
(2) Report jpatti to her ISP
Sleepyman
Another X-Poster from alt.support.diabetes:272652
alt.support.diet.low-carb:676556 sci.med.cardiology:59040
alt.support.diet:396365 misc.health.diabetes:228247
Too many to keep posting these type warnings. I think I am just going to
post something like "Another" as a response so those of you want to
killfile the crossposters, so that you don't respond to them unknowingly,
thus only increasing the crossposting, which brings the Chung and Jai
trolls back even more.
Sleepyman
>*wild applause*
>
>GREAT performance piece! Especially Linda!
Another
Steve
(in message <4012D854...@heartmdphd.com>):
> Alan Rowe wrote:
>
>> Artfully done.
>>
>> *applauds*
>>
>
> Thanks :-)
I too would like to applaud Dr. Chung for making his hilarious "Two
Pound Diet" freely available. It is indeed a work of high comedy in
the finest traditions of the "Theatre of the Absurd". I recommend it
to anyone who needs a good chuckle in these stressful times.
Can you imagine the skit on the Comedy Channel? Dr. Chung, dressed in
his best white Lab Coat with stethoscope wrapped around his neck,
somberly viewing the "scientific evidence" at the IMAX theater? Cue
dramatic music as "inspiration" arrives: the climbers ate less then two
pounds of food per day! Eureka!!!! His wife runs from the theatre
into the streets of Atlanta, crying out the discovery to the cheering
crowds.
Cut to shots of obesity clinics, now closed with doors chained, with
crowds of malnourished former patients holding up their 2PD scales,
grinning from gap-toothed faces.
Cut to the Apocalypse with the Third Horseman pausing to pick up a 2PD
scale from Humble Dr. Chung and shaking his hand before riding off and
giving the "thumbs up" sign to the audience.
One can only imagine what the result would have been if the IMAX had
featured a film on Gandhi's starvation protest against the British on
that fateful day :-)
I say again, Bravo Dr. Chung!
> FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
> Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not request
> that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it.
Oh, and Dr. Chung? When you reply to this with your "macro", please
trim the headers. Thanks ever so much.
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
request that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are
upset about reading this message, a few suggestions:
(1) Yell at Chung
(2) Report Chung to his ISP
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.
This discussion(s) is related to the Two Foot Diet approach (2FD) which
Though Steve invented this approach, he did not initiate this Usenet
discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has been
voluntary and has been conducted in the spirit of community service.
His motivation has been entirely altruistic and has arisen from his
religious beliefs as a Christian. Jesus freely gave of Himself to
better the health of folks He touched:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/hypocrite.asp
From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are
vehemently opposed to the 2 foot diet approach. They have debated
Steve on every perceived weakness of the 2 foot diet approach and have
lost the argument soundly at every point:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp ... just substitute "Foot" for
"Pound" everywhere.
These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this and
other discussion threads.
However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the
argument(s), certain parties have redirected their hatred of the 2 foot
diet approach toward its author. The rationale appears to be "if you
can not discredit the message then try to discredit the messenger."
Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll"
is someone who posts under the cloak of anonymity messages with no
redeeming discussion value and with the sole purpose of starting
"flame" wars.
These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the
following observations were made:
(1) Steve has not been posting anonymously.
(2) The 2FD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting
the discussion(s).
(a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the 2FD
to achieve near-ideal weight.
(b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when their
weight becomes near-ideal.
(c) For (b) see: http://tinyurl.com/moreChungbullshit
(3) Steve did not start the discussion(s).
(4) The 2 foot diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have
tried to attack Steve's credentials knowing full well that they were
attempting to libel him. One notable example is Dr. Chung who is
jealous that Steve has improved on his diet.
When the full light was cast on Dr. Chung's libelous statements, the
hateful folks hiding in the darkness of anonymity, most notably Mu,
only hissed louder in support of their fallen hero.
Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either
actively or as lurkers can easily dismiss the hisses, for what they
are, using the on-line third-party resources at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/sign_up_to_be_a_patient.asp
Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning
the anon posters who continue to hiss, most notably Mu:
(1) They are anonymous and thus expect to have no credibility (or
accountability).
(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory
characters.
(3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to deliver
one-sided insults.
(4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Steve by cross-
posting.
(5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the
2FD or its author.
and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.
Unfortunately, they keep Mu_Tating so that it is impossible to killfile
them.
It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to
speed.
It will remain my pleasure to participate here on Usenet above the din
of hissing from the peanut gallery.
Sincerely,
God's Other Humble Servant
Steve
Steve
(in message <4012D903...@heartmdphd.com>):
> jpatti wrote:
>
>> *wild applause*
>>
>> GREAT performance piece!
>
> Thanks :-)
I too would like to applaud Dr. Chung for making his hilarious "Two
Pound Diet" freely available. It is indeed a work of high comedy in
the finest traditions of the "Theatre of the Absurd". I recommend it
to anyone who needs a good chuckle in these stressful times.
Can you imagine the skit on the Comedy Channel? Dr. Chung, dressed in
his best white Lab Coat with stethoscope wrapped around his neck,
somberly viewing the "scientific evidence" at the IMAX theater? Cue
dramatic music as "inspiration" arrives: the climbers ate less then two
pounds of food per day! Eureka!!!! His wife runs from the theatre
into the streets of Atlanta, crying out the discovery to the cheering
crowds.
Cut to shots of obesity clinics, now closed with doors chained, with
crowds of malnourished former patients holding up their 2PD scales,
grinning from gap-toothed faces.
Cut to the Apocalypse with the Third Horseman pausing to pick up a 2PD
scale from Humble Dr. Chung and shaking his hand before riding off and
giving the "thumbs up" sign to the audience.
One can only imagine what the result would have been if the IMAX had
featured a film on Gandhi's starvation protest against the British on
that fateful day :-)
I say again, Bravo Dr. Chung!
> FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
> Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not request
> that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it.
Oh, and Dr. Chung? When you reply to this with your "macro", please
trim the headers. Thanks ever so much.
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
request that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are
upset about reading this message, a few suggestions:
(1) Yell at Chung
(2) Report Chung to his ISP
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.
This discussion(s) is related to the Two Foot Diet approach (2FD) which
Though Steve invented this approach, he did not initiate this Usenet
discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has been
voluntary and has been conducted in the spirit of community service.
His motivation has been entirely altruistic and has arisen from his
religious beliefs as a Christian. Jesus freely gave of Himself to
better the health of folks He touched:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/hypocrite.asp
From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are
vehemently opposed to the 2 foot diet approach. They have debated
Steve on every perceived weakness of the 2 foot diet approach and have
lost the argument soundly at every point:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp ... just substitute "Foot" for
"Pound" everywhere.
These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this and
other discussion threads.
However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the
argument(s), certain parties have redirected their hatred of the 2 foot
diet approach toward its author. The rationale appears to be "if you
can not discredit the message then try to discredit the messenger."
Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll"
is someone who posts under the cloak of anonymity messages with no
redeeming discussion value and with the sole purpose of starting
"flame" wars.
These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the
following observations were made:
(1) Steve has not been posting anonymously.
(2) The 2FD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting
the discussion(s).
(a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the 2FD
to achieve near-ideal weight.
(b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when their
weight becomes near-ideal.
(c) For (b) see: http://tinyurl.com/moreChungbullshit
(3) Steve did not start the discussion(s).
(4) The 2 foot diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have
tried to attack Steve's credentials knowing full well that they were
attempting to libel him. One notable example is Dr. Chung who is
jealous that Steve has improved on his diet.
When the full light was cast on Dr. Chung's libelous statements, the
hateful folks hiding in the darkness of anonymity, most notably Mu,
only hissed louder in support of their fallen hero.
Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either
actively or as lurkers can easily dismiss the hisses, for what they
are, using the on-line third-party resources at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/sign_up_to_be_a_patient.asp
Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning
the anon posters who continue to hiss, most notably Mu:
(1) They are anonymous and thus expect to have no credibility (or
accountability).
(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory
characters.
(3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to deliver
one-sided insults.
(4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Steve by cross-
posting.
(5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the
2FD or its author.
and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.
Unfortunately, they keep Mu_Tating so that it is impossible to killfile
them.
It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to
speed.
It will remain my pleasure to participate here on Usenet above the din
of hissing from the peanut gallery.
Sincerely,
God's Other Humble Servant
Steve
Tiger Lily
thanks for keeping the humor in this....... parody that someone has become
"Steve" > wrote in message .airnews.net...
much snipped
Lance-A-Lot
>
> I too would like to applaud Dr. Chung for making his hilarious "Two
> Pound Diet" freely available. It is indeed a work of high comedy in
> the finest traditions of the "Theatre of the Absurd". I recommend it
> to anyone who needs a good chuckle in these stressful times.
>
> Can you imagine the skit on the Comedy Channel? Dr. Chung, dressed in
> his best white Lab Coat with stethoscope wrapped around his neck,
> somberly viewing the "scientific evidence" at the IMAX theater? Cue
> dramatic music as "inspiration" arrives: the climbers ate less then two
> pounds of food per day! Eureka!!!! His wife runs from the theatre
> into the streets of Atlanta, crying out the discovery to the cheering
> crowds.
>
> Cut to shots of obesity clinics, now closed with doors chained, with
> crowds of malnourished former patients holding up their 2PD scales,
> grinning from gap-toothed faces.
<snip>
Steve,
Now THAT was inventive AND funny!
Steve
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:43:47 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
> (in message <4012D903...@heartmdphd.com>):
>
> > jpatti wrote:
> >
> >> *wild applause*
> >>
> >> GREAT performance piece!
> >
> > Thanks :-)
>
>
You poor guy.
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
request that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are
upset about reading this message, a few suggestions:
(1) Yell at Steve
(2) Report Steve to his ISP.
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.
This discussion(s) is related to the 2 pound diet approach (2PD) which
is described completely at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
Though Dr. Chung invented this approach, he did not initiate this
Usenet discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has
been voluntary and has been conducted in the spirit of community
service. His motivation has been entirely altruistic and has arisen
from his religious beliefs as a Christian. Jesus freely gave of
Himself to better the health of folks He touched:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp
From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are
vehemently opposed to the 2 pound diet approach. They have debated
Dr. Chung on every perceived weakness of the 2 pound diet approach and
have lost the argument soundly at every point:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp
These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this and
other discussion threads.
However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the
argument(s), certain parties have redirected their hatred of the 2
pound diet approach toward its author. The rationale appears to be
"if you can not discredit the message then try to discredit the
messenger."
Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll"
is someone who posts under the cloak of anonymity messages with no
redeeming discussion value and with the sole purpose of starting
"flame" wars.
These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the
following observations were made:
(1) Dr. Chung has not been posting anonymously.
(2) The 2PD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting
the discussion(s).
(a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the
2PD to achieve near-ideal weight.
(b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when
their weight becomes near-ideal.
(c) For (b) see: http://tinyurl.com/levc
(3) Dr. Chung did not start the discussion(s).
(4) The 2 pound diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
(5) Dr. Chung's credentials are real and easily verified on-line
(including jpegs of the actual diplomas).
Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have
tried to attack Dr. Chung's credentials knowing full well that they
were attempting to libel him. One notable example is Mr. Pastorio:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp
When the full light was cast on Mr. Pastorio's libelous statements,
the hateful folks hiding in the darkness of anonymity only hissed
louder in support of their fallen hero.
Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either
actively or as lurkers can easily dismiss the hisses, for what they
are, using the on-line third-party resources at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp
where Dr. Chung's credentials can be verified many times over and
libelous claims that credentials were bought are easily and summarily
debunked.
Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning
the anon posters who continue to hiss (ie JC Der Koenig, Steve, and
Mack):
(1) They are anonymous and thus they expect to have no credibility (or
accountability).
(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory
characters.
(3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to
deliver one-sided insults.
(4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Dr. Chung by
cross-posting.
(5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the
2PD or its author.
and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.
It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to
speed.
It will remain my pleasure to participate here on Usenet above the din
of hissing from the peanut gallery.
Sincerely,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:40:53 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
> (in message <4012D854...@heartmdphd.com>):
>
> > Alan Rowe wrote:
> >
> >> Artfully done.
> >>
> >> *applauds*
> >>
> >
> > Thanks :-)
>
You poor guy.
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
request that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are
upset about reading this message, a few suggestions:
(1) Yell at Steve
(2) Report Steve to his ISP.
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.
This discussion(s) is related to the 2 pound diet approach (2PD) which
is described completely at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
Though Dr. Chung invented this approach, he did not initiate this
Usenet discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has
been voluntary and has been conducted in the spirit of community
service. His motivation has been entirely altruistic and has arisen
from his religious beliefs as a Christian. Jesus freely gave of
Himself to better the health of folks He touched:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp
From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are
vehemently opposed to the 2 pound diet approach. They have debated
Dr. Chung on every perceived weakness of the 2 pound diet approach and
have lost the argument soundly at every point:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp
These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this and
other discussion threads.
However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the
argument(s), certain parties have redirected their hatred of the 2
pound diet approach toward its author. The rationale appears to be
"if you can not discredit the message then try to discredit the
messenger."
Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll"
is someone who posts under the cloak of anonymity messages with no
redeeming discussion value and with the sole purpose of starting
"flame" wars.
These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the
following observations were made:
(1) Dr. Chung has not been posting anonymously.
(2) The 2PD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting
the discussion(s).
(a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the
2PD to achieve near-ideal weight.
(b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when
their weight becomes near-ideal.
(c) For (b) see: http://tinyurl.com/levc
(3) Dr. Chung did not start the discussion(s).
(4) The 2 pound diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
(5) Dr. Chung's credentials are real and easily verified on-line
(including jpegs of the actual diplomas).
Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have
tried to attack Dr. Chung's credentials knowing full well that they
were attempting to libel him. One notable example is Mr. Pastorio:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp
When the full light was cast on Mr. Pastorio's libelous statements,
the hateful folks hiding in the darkness of anonymity only hissed
louder in support of their fallen hero.
Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either
actively or as lurkers can easily dismiss the hisses, for what they
are, using the on-line third-party resources at:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp
where Dr. Chung's credentials can be verified many times over and
libelous claims that credentials were bought are easily and summarily
debunked.
Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning
the anon posters who continue to hiss (ie JC Der Koenig, Steve, and
Mack):
(1) They are anonymous and thus they expect to have no credibility (or
accountability).
(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory
characters.
(3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to
deliver one-sided insults.
(4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Dr. Chung by
cross-posting.
(5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the
2PD or its author.
and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.
It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to
speed.
It will remain my pleasure to participate here on Usenet above the din
of hissing from the peanut gallery.
Sincerely,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com
Steve
(in message <a4b1bd78.04012...@posting.google.com>):
> Steve <st...@nochung.org> wrote in message
> news:<0001HW.BC391FE9...@library.airnews.net>...
>> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:43:47 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
>> (in message <4012D903...@heartmdphd.com>):
>>
>>> jpatti wrote:
>>>
>>>> *wild applause*
>>>>
>>>> GREAT performance piece!
>>>
>>> Thanks :-)
>>
>>
>> <hissing snipped>
"hissing" partially reinserted:
> Oh, and Dr. Chung? When you reply to this with your "macro", please trim
> the headers. Thanks ever so much.
>
> You poor guy.
>
> FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
> Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
> request that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it.
Notice the way the Great Truth Discerner snips what he doesn't want to
hear... then lies about not being asked to trim headers. I pass over
the way you disingenuously claimed the "applause" for yourself.
It ain't libel if it's true, Chung. And here it is "forever" in
google.
God's Honest Servant,
Steve
(in message <a4b1bd78.0401...@posting.google.com>):
> Steve <st...@nochung.org> wrote in message
> news:<0001HW.BC391C84...@library.airnews.net>...
>> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:40:53 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
>> (in message <4012D854...@heartmdphd.com>):
>>
>>> Alan Rowe wrote:
>>>
>>>> Artfully done.
>>>>
>>>> *applauds*
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks :-)
>>
>> <hissing snipped>
"hissing" partially reinserted:
> Oh, and Dr. Chung? When you reply to this with your "macro", please trim
> the headers. Thanks ever so much.
>
> You poor guy.
>
> FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
> Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
> request that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it.
Notice the way the Great Truth Discerner snips what he doesn't want to
hear... then lies about not being asked to trim headers. I pass over
the way you disingenuously claimed the "applause" for yourself.
It ain't libel if it's true, Chung. And here it is "forever" in
google.
God's Honest Servant,
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:04:41 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
> (in message <a4b1bd78.0401...@posting.google.com>):
>
> > Steve <st...@nochung.org> wrote in message
> > news:<0001HW.BC391C84...@library.airnews.net>...
> >> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:40:53 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
> >> (in message <4012D854...@heartmdphd.com>):
> >>
> >>> Alan Rowe wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Artfully done.
> >>>>
> >>>> *applauds*
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks :-)
> >>
Poor guy.
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
specify how he wanted the header trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp
Sincerely,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:00:59 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
> (in message <a4b1bd78.04012...@posting.google.com>):
>
> > Steve <st...@nochung.org> wrote in message
> > news:<0001HW.BC391FE9...@library.airnews.net>...
> >> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:43:47 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
> >> (in message <4012D903...@heartmdphd.com>):
> >>
> >>> jpatti wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> *wild applause*
> >>>>
> >>>> GREAT performance piece!
> >>>
> >>> Thanks :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> <hissing snipped>
Poor guy.
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
specify how he wanted the header trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp
Sincerely,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com
Steve
(in message <a4b1bd78.04012...@posting.google.com>):
> Steve <st...@nochung.org> wrote in message
> news:<0001HW.BC39BA9A...@library.airnews.net>...
>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:04:41 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
>> (in message <a4b1bd78.0401...@posting.google.com>):
>>
>>> Steve <st...@nochung.org> wrote in message
>>> news:<0001HW.BC391C84...@library.airnews.net>...
>>>> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:40:53 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
>>>> (in message <4012D854...@heartmdphd.com>):
>>>>
>>>>> Alan Rowe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Artfully done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *applauds*
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks :-)
>>>>
>>>> <desperate hissing snipped>
>
> Poor guy.
>
> FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
> Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
> specify how he wanted the header trimmed, I have not trimmed it.
ROTFL!
What a jackass. Do you really think you are fooling anyone?
Oh, please trim the header to sci.med.cardiology when you respond with
your next wacko macro.
You just don't get it, do you?
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 9:47:11 -0500, lbu...@pobox.com wrote
> (in message <8yjyaf...@pobox.com>):
>
> > Steve <st...@nochung.org> writes:
> >>
> >> BJ, thanks for your question and this opportunity to witness. I
> >> find that when applying the Two Foot Diet, one must apply "an inch
> >> of common sense". Although one can multiply, I would point out that
> >> when doing so, any errors in measurement will be compounded. Also,
> >> the variance in pea diameter is not negligible. That is why I always
> >> recommend lining them up and measuring the result.
> >
>
Poor guy.
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not
request that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp
http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp
Sincerely,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com