Memorial Day

[Nick Cramer]

As you prick your finger to feed your glucometer this Memorial Day, look at
the blood and think of those who lost their lives for us.

--
Nick, KI6VAV. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their
families: https://semperfifund.org https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/
http://www.specialops.org/ http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ ~Semper Fi~
http://www.woundedwarriors.ca/ http://www.legacy.com.au/ ~Semper Fi~

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Nick Cramer wrote:
> As you prick your finger to feed your glucometer this Memorial Day,
> look at the blood and think of those who lost their lives for us.

i'm in canada so no i won't be doing that ,
but if your country stops invading other countries ,
you might not have anyone having to give up their life and ,
that might just be a better memorial moment for you

[StarDust]

Over 50 million people died in WW2, less than 500 thousand American, .3% of total US population.
9 million German and 20 million Russian etc... , 70% of the casualties was in Europe, Eastern front.
But all you here about and the movies show how the US won the war.
How Rambo killed everybody!
Figure!!!!

[Bjørn Steensrud]

IMO, Rosie the Riveter did more to win the war in Europe than GI Joe did. As
Churchill maybe said, "give us the tools, and we will do the job. "
Both sides of the Atlantic did exactly that.

Thanks to American industry, the allies were well equipped to wipe out the
nazis.

OTOH I agree completely with Nick that US veterans and their families
deserve the support and gratitude of their nation - as do ours.
Bjørn, who did service way back when and never was shot at or fired a shot
in anger.

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Na rijp beraad schreef StarDust :

That's Hollywood for ya.
M.

[Cheri]

"Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote in
message news:hqGdne-B9Na5sj_M...@giganews.com...

Hollywood *USA* too. People from other countries should tell their own
stories as well.

Cheri

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Cheri gebruikte zijn klavier om te schrijven :

The Hollywood of the films hunh.
M.

[outsider]

On 5/26/2013 2:30 AM, Bjørn Steensrud wrote:
> StarDust wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:22:42 PM UTC-7, Nick Cramer wrote:
>>> As you prick your finger to feed your glucometer this Memorial Day, look
>>> at
>>>
>>> the blood and think of those who lost their lives for us.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Nick, KI6VAV. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their
>>>
>>> families: https://semperfifund.org https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/
>>>
>>> http://www.specialops.org/ http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ ~Semper Fi~
>>>
>>> http://www.woundedwarriors.ca/ http://www.legacy.com.au/ ~Semper Fi~
>>
>> Over 50 million people died in WW2, less than 500 thousand American, .3%
>> of total US population. 9 million German and 20 million Russian etc... ,
>> 70% of the casualties was in Europe, Eastern front. But all you here about
>> and the movies show how the US won the war. How Rambo killed everybody!
>> Figure!!!!
>
> IMO, Rosie the Riveter did more to win the war in Europe than GI Joe did.

You intentionally diminish the sacrifice of the people who gave up
their lives so that you can live in peace and comfort today.

Shame on you! You're disgusting!

[W. Baker]

Bj?rn Steensrud <bjo...@skogkatt.homelinux.org> wrote:

: Bj?rn, who did service way back when and never was shot at or fired a shot
: in anger.

We, intheUS were fortuanateinWWII that , with the exception of the attack
onPearl Harborand the phillipines, Guams, etc, the war ws not fought onour
soil so ou civillians were spared. In Europe and East Asia civillian
populations were often severly impacted, which accounts for the
disparityin numbers. We sent pretty much all of tehmale populatin between
18 and the 30's and 40's over to fight and too many to die to be part of
the great effort to rid the world of a terrible tyranny. As Bjorn said,
our civiians, many,many of them women of that generation, worked to
produce the mateiel that was needed to fight the war. Even us US kids did
our part, selling war bond stams, collecting rubber bands andtinfoil in
big balls to give to the war effert. We jumped on the tin cans to
flattenthem to turn in and took those cans of fat to the butcher toelp
make munitions. Both Nick and I were kids back in WWII and I am sure,
share many memories.

Let's not be stupid and squabble about who is better than whom like 8 year
olds. Let us all think of those we lost helping us to live , in the US
and elsewhere. this day in teh US dates from eh Civil War as a day to
remember those brave men who fought and died . Now we have to remember
both menand women.

Wendy

[GysdeJongh]

W. Baker wrote:
> Bj?rn Steensrud <bjo...@skogkatt.homelinux.org> wrote:
>> StarDust wrote:

>>>> As you prick your finger to feed your glucometer this Memorial
>>>> Day, look at
>>>> the blood and think of those who lost their lives for us.

>> IMO, Rosie the Riveter did more to win the war in Europe than GI Joe
>> did. As Churchill maybe said, "give us the tools, and we will do the
>> job. "
>> Both sides of the Atlantic did exactly that.
>> Thanks to American industry, the allies were well equipped to wipe
>> out the nazis.
>
>> OTOH I agree completely with Nick that US veterans and their families
>> deserve the support and gratitude of their nation - as do ours.
>> Bj?rn, who did service way back when and never was shot at or fired
>> a shot in anger.

> Let's not be stupid and squabble about who is better than whom like 8
> year olds. Let us all think of those we lost helping us to live , in
> the US and elsewhere. this day in teh US dates from eh Civil War as
> a day to remember those brave men who fought and died . Now we have
> to remember both menand women.

Hi Wendy,

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_the_Riveter>

There was not only Rosie the Riveter, but also Wendy the Welder :

<http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/dynoGallDetail.asp?photoID=1739406>

<http://www.yelp.com/events/photos/nidI5Nji3TjX9jaLCPUmtw?selected=BomihPLehZ6ShCfwarMJUA>

There is also a statue :

<http://columbiariverimages.com/Regions/Places/renaissance_trail_wendy_rose.html>


Gys, who did service way back when and never was shot at or fired a shot in
anger, but who might have had another mother ( and no T2 from genetic
imprinting ) if his father had married Gretgen the grateful virgin on his
his back to Roterdam after the war.

Now, forget this post. Because I promised him not to tell my mother when he
died.
Otoh, my mother never reads the internets.
Gys

[Ozgirl]

"StarDust" wrote in message
news:77c78cdc-71a4-4e57...@googlegroups.com...

---------------------------

So? 1 person being killed at war is worthy of remembering. Who cares how
many people were killed in different countries? It's not a pissing
competition. This is America's special day for remembering their dead.
Just as we in Aus remember far less dead on our Memorial Day.

[W. Baker]

Ozgirl <are_we_t...@maccas.com> wrote:


: "StarDust" wrote in message

Thank you Jan.
Wendy

[mainframetech]

Hmm. I thought Canada supplied fighters for WW1, WW2, the Korean
War, and the Gulf war. They only missed the Vietnam war in recent
years.

Chris

[Opple0påad]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 00:14:54 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <gy...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

You are quite wrong. Memorial Day is for remembering those "Soldiers"
who died in the line of duty. The victims of the wars are remembered
at different times in different ways.

Mocking one group to bring attention to another dishonors them all.

[Budd Cochran]

"mainframetech" <mainfr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c454b75c-8a64-454d...@m18g2000vbo.googlegroups.com...

Don't bother him with facts . . . . like the Canadians were also some of the
best fighters in those actions.

My hat's off to them and to those that served behind the lines and during
non-combative periods for all countries.

Budd

[Budd Cochran]

"W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:knu1jr$sm0$1...@reader1.panix.com...

And we must remember that everyone trained for combat either has, will, or
might be putting their life on that line for others ... even those that spit
on them for doing what they had to do.

I served with a future Vice-President in the National Guard (Indiana) while
a future President ducked the draft in Europe.

And when that President, after getting elected, came on board my son's ship,
he fought down a need to puke when that President shook his hand.

He wasn't the only sailor with the heaves . . .

Which of them cared more about preserving freedom by doing what they might
have to do as in the possibility of being called up to Vietnam?

Budd

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what would happen if they all stayed in their own country

[Opple0p�ad]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:31:15 -0600, "Budd Cochran" <mr_...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Political crap snipped

>Budd
>

In memory of those who gave their lives.

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to go get shot in another country

[Opple0påad]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:31:15 -0600, "Budd Cochran" <mr_...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>And we must remember that everyone trained for combat either has, will, or
>might be putting their life on that line for others ... even those that spit
>on them for doing what they had to do.
>
>I served with a future Vice-President in the National Guard (Indiana) while
>a future President ducked the draft in Europe.
>
>And when that President, after getting elected, came on board my son's ship,
>he fought down a need to puke when that President shook his hand.
>
>He wasn't the only sailor with the heaves . . .
>
>Which of them cared more about preserving freedom by doing what they might
>have to do as in the possibility of being called up to Vietnam?
>
>Budd
>

In the USA we have 2 days that are distinctly different.

Veterans Day is to honor all those who served in the US Armed Forces.

Memorial Day is to honor those who died while serving.

Monday May 27th is not about your service Budd.

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LOL

[Freckles]

"Budd Cochran" wrote in message news:tkBot.8625$ZU7....@newsfe28.iad...

Wow! So you and/or your son will be living in the white house one day?

Freckles

[Henry Mydlarz]

"Bjørn Steensrud" <bjo...@skogkatt.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:jaq87a-...@astilbe.skogkatt.homelinux.org...

On behalf of my mother and father, both survivors of the Nazi death camps, I
thank and salute the brave soldiers, many leaving the safety of their lands,
who fought and died to save them.

Henry

[mainframetech]

On May 27, 12:37 am, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Budd Cochran wrote:
> > "W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message
> >news:knu1jr$sm0$1...@reader1.panix.com...

They'd find reasons to shoot at each other over the borders, and
shoot missiles over too. It's long distance war now.

Chris

[Don Roberto]

Yeah. Whatever happened to the Vikings?
Have you been following the bonfires in Stockholm?

[Don Roberto]

And birds, carrying the killer flu.
And all of that just to get you.
This is not Planet of the Apes:
Here there are no escapes.

It's long distance war now.
>

How long?

[outsider]

Pre-WW2 the war in Spain was probably about ideologies.

In WW2 Germany, The Soviet Union, Italy, and Japan were driven by
expansionism, the growth of economic wealth by increasing territory.

The UK fought to save itself from being taken over.

"Commonwealth" nations, then known as colonies, sent whatever was
demanded because they had no choice in the matter.

The US fought WW2 in order to hold expansionism at bay and to halt
the spread of the sorts of totalitarian socialism preached and
practiced by the Axis powers. The US allied itself with the Soviets
in the belief that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," at least
temporarily. And the nature of that alliance to manifest in its full
glory didn't take very long after the end of the war.

But you'll notice that the two gorillas in the room, while pounding
on furniture and growling loudly at one another, never did take one
another on in a physical confrontation. MAD wasn't invented, it was
observed and then utilized by both sides, to very good effect. In
fact the practice persists through the modern day.

But you'll find that usually little countries are the ones who
start wars. It is, apparently, human nature to want to be "king
of the hill" even when that hill is no larger than a pitcher's
mound. The continuing carry-on by North Korea is a good example.

Despite their large potential influence world-wide, the Islamists
can't get their act together to come to the table to play 1 on 1
with the big guys as the third gorilla in the room. The net effect
is that in their factionalized world, they're all very small
players trying to have a big effect by doing very splashy things,
like the London butchering of Lee Rigby, a soldier, on the street
in the last few days.

Lee Rigby is just as much a casualty of war as are the victims of
the Boston Marathon bombings and the killed and injured resulting
from the military actions in Afghanistan.

Unfortunately altruism doesn't play well to any population, unless
they happen to be attending a religious service at the moment.
Gavrilo Princip and "Michael Adebolajo" both felt perfectly
justified in undertaking their assassinations. I'm confident that
there's nothing that could have been done to change the minds of
those two, and many others like them. "Doing the right thing" for
one's clan seems very human. So long as that sort of ideology
persists, wars will be.

But the single common factor that must persist is to honor those
who have given up life for your benefit. That's such a small price
to pay, really nothing, by comparison.

One of these days perhaps I'll make sense of the "Renaissance fair."

But I doubt it.

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frag wrote:
> "%" <per...@gmail.com> wrote in news:ha6dnT6-
> B6OUNjzMnZ2d...@giganews.com:

>
>> Nick Cramer wrote:
>>> As you prick your finger to feed your glucometer this Memorial Day,
>>> look at the blood and think of those who lost their lives for us.
>>
>>

>> i'm in canada so no i won't be doing that ,
>> but if your country stops invading other countries ,
>> you might not have anyone having to give up their life and ,
>> that might just be a better memorial moment for you
>>
>

> Hello %, you do not have to bother to prick your finger, because you
> are a prick already, Your CA people have also fought and died. You
> owe them.

i never said it was ok for them either did i ,
so prick your ass and let a few pounds of air out

[outsider]

On 5/27/2013 5:30 PM, frag wrote:
> "%" <per...@gmail.com> wrote in news:ha6dnT6-
> B6OUNjzMnZ2d...@giganews.com:
>
>> Nick Cramer wrote:
>>> As you prick your finger to feed your glucometer this Memorial Day,
>>> look at the blood and think of those who lost their lives for us.
>>
>>
>> i'm in canada so no i won't be doing that ,
>> but if your country stops invading other countries ,
>> you might not have anyone having to give up their life and ,
>> that might just be a better memorial moment for you
>>
>
> Hello %, you do not have to bother to prick your finger, because you are a
> prick already, Your CA people have also fought and died. You owe them.

Other than being a "prick" (you're right on there) he's a
run of the mill idiot. Back when I read his postings, there
wasn't a single one that was worth the ascii. He's just like
all the rest of those leading meaningless existence and
attempting to create some meaning by posting inflammatory
crap.

There are so many things one can do to provide some meaning
to their lives. Posting sheiss to usenet isn't one of them.

[%]

but here you are posting it , LOL

[Budd Cochran]

"%" <per...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:YK6dndTeXOLPfz_M...@giganews.com...

Ah, I've got you figured out ....

Liberal, socialist, John Lennonite dreamer.

Ya know, not so many years ago I had the honor of working alongside some
fine people of a ethnic group that too many ignore in this age ... Native
Americans, specifically, Navajos and Utes.

I was comfortable enough among them to ask the difficult questions so I did:

"What would have made the biggest difference in the history of the North
American Continent according to your native histories?

Every one had the same answer: "If the White Man had simply asked to live
among the Native Americans, so much war and death could have been avoided,
but the White-eyes could only take."

Now, do you still think "everyone " would stay in their own countries?

But don't forget the Pol Pots', the Stalin's, the Idi Amin's who did stay at
home . . . .

Budd

[Budd Cochran]

"Opple0påad" <Op...@Ople.com> wrote in message
news:ikp5q8pg5cianv93n...@4ax.com...

Never said it was, just pointing out the fact that I knew, personally, of
two individuals that gave two other persons vastly different reactions while
near them.

As for what this day means, today I went to honor Veterans at a VA nursing
facility near me. Most were 'Nam Vets, some Korea, and three WWII Vets.

We remembered those that were no longer with us, either from war or from old
age. We laughed at funny things that happened to them and we cried over
those that were gone

It was an honor for me to shake the hands of those that gave some while
remembering those that gave all ... either on the battlefeld or from
injuries received there.

And what did you do? Besides try to net nanny me, that is.

Budd

[Budd Cochran]

"Freckles" <donbl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:DYidnedv_42bZT_M...@giganews.com...

No, my house gray and his is brown.

Budd

[Budd Cochran]

"Opple0påad" <Op...@Ople.com> wrote in message

news:ct95q8dlou0hvv1rk...@4ax.com...

And slamming anyone, be they military, police, fire, or medical services
dishonors those that were at least willing to serve others instead of
running away like a damnable coward.

Budd

[%]

the population of my town is 70% north american natives ,
and what you do at home stays at home notice no one else envaded ,
the Pol Pots', the Stalin's,or the Idi Amin's if you guys can't find ,
someone to fight you divide your country in half and fight each other

[Bjørn Steensrud]

Yes, and tryng to figure out why there aren't any in Oslo. One potential
trouble spot has been identified and the people living there are taking
action - positive action to make things better. The local problem is mainly
poverty ...

Oh and outsider - I am absolutely not diminishing anyone, just pointing out
that others deserve more recognition than they got - afterwards. Out of the
factories and back to the kitchen ...

There was recently a TV program about the RAF women pilots who ferried
planes from the factories to the bases. Several lost their lives in this
service.

[Nick Cramer]

=?UTF-8?B?QmrDuHJu?= Steensrud <bjo...@skogkatt.homelinux.org> wrote:
> StarDust wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:22:42 PM UTC-7, Nick Cramer wrote:
> >> As you prick your finger to feed your glucometer this Memorial Day,
> >> look at the blood and think of those who lost their lives for us.

> IMO, Rosie the Riveter did more to win the war in Europe than GI Joe did.

> As Churchill maybe said, "give us the tools, and we will do the job. "
> Both sides of the Atlantic did exactly that.
>
> Thanks to American industry, the allies were well equipped to wipe out
> the nazis.
>
> OTOH I agree completely with Nick that US veterans and their families
> deserve the support and gratitude of their nation - as do ours.
> Bjørn, who did service way back when and never was shot at or fired a
> shot in anger.

Thanks, Bjorn. Both for your service and your observations.

[Nick Cramer]

Maya Zuiderweg <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote:
> Na rijp beraad schreef StarDust :

> > On Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:22:42 PM UTC-7, Nick Cramer wrote:
> >> As you prick your finger to feed your glucometer this Memorial Day,
> >> look at
> >>
> >> the blood and think of those who lost their lives for us.

> > Over 50 million people died in WW2, less than 500 thousand American,
> > .3% of total US population. 9 million German and 20 million Russian
> > etc... , 70% of the casualties was in Europe, Eastern front. But all
> > you here about and the movies show how the US won the war. How Rambo
> > killed everybody! Figure!!!!
>

> That's Hollywood for ya.

. . . . and this from a Dutchie! <sigh>

[Nick Cramer]

"W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote:

> Bj?rn Steensrud <bjo...@skogkatt.homelinux.org> wrote:
> : StarDust wrote:

> : > On Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:22:42 PM UTC-7, Nick Cramer wrote:
> : >> As you prick your finger to feed your glucometer this Memorial Day,
> : >> look at the blood and think of those who lost their lives for us.

> : > Over 50 million people died in WW2, less than 500 thousand American,
> : > .3% of total US population. 9 million German and 20 million Russian
> : > etc... , 70% of the casualties was in Europe, Eastern front. But all
> : > you here about and the movies show how the US won the war. How Rambo
> : > killed everybody! Figure!!!!
>

> : IMO, Rosie the Riveter did more to win the war in Europe than GI Joe

> : did. As Churchill maybe said, "give us the tools, and we will do the
> : job. " Both sides of the Atlantic did exactly that.
>
> : Thanks to American industry, the allies were well equipped to wipe out
> : the nazis.
>
> : OTOH I agree completely with Nick that US veterans and their families
> : deserve the support and gratitude of their nation - as do ours.

> : Bj?rn, who did service way back when and never was shot at or fired a
> : shot in anger.
>
> We, intheUS were fortuanateinWWII that , with the exception of the attack
> onPearl Harborand the phillipines, Guams, etc, the war ws not fought
> onour soil so ou civillians were spared. In Europe and East Asia
> civillian populations were often severly impacted, which accounts for the
> disparityin numbers. We sent pretty much all of tehmale populatin
> between 18 and the 30's and 40's over to fight and too many to die to be
> part of the great effort to rid the world of a terrible tyranny. As
> Bjorn said, our civiians, many,many of them women of that generation,
> worked to produce the mateiel that was needed to fight the war. Even us
> US kids did our part, selling war bond stams, collecting rubber bands
> andtinfoil in big balls to give to the war effert. We jumped on the tin
> cans to flattenthem to turn in and took those cans of fat to the butcher
> toelp make munitions. Both Nick and I were kids back in WWII and I am
> sure, share many memories.
>
> Let's not be stupid and squabble about who is better than whom like 8
> year olds. Let us all think of those we lost helping us to live , in the
> US and elsewhere. this day in teh US dates from eh Civil War as a day to
> remember those brave men who fought and died . Now we have to remember
> both menand women.

I love you, Wendy. ;-)

[Nick Cramer]

"GysdeJongh" <JonghSevenHundredElevenAtPlanet.nl> wrote:

> W. Baker wrote:
> > Bj?rn Steensrud <bjo...@skogkatt.homelinux.org> wrote:
> >> StarDust wrote:
>
> >>>> As you prick your finger to feed your glucometer this Memorial
> >>>> Day, look at
> >>>> the blood and think of those who lost their lives for us.
>

> >> IMO, Rosie the Riveter did more to win the war in Europe than GI Joe
> >> did. As Churchill maybe said, "give us the tools, and we will do the
> >> job. "
> >> Both sides of the Atlantic did exactly that.
> >> Thanks to American industry, the allies were well equipped to wipe
> >> out the nazis.
> >
> >> OTOH I agree completely with Nick that US veterans and their families
> >> deserve the support and gratitude of their nation - as do ours.
> >> Bj?rn, who did service way back when and never was shot at or fired
> >> a shot in anger.
>

> > Let's not be stupid and squabble about who is better than whom like 8
> > year olds. Let us all think of those we lost helping us to live , in
> > the US and elsewhere. this day in teh US dates from eh Civil War as
> > a day to remember those brave men who fought and died . Now we have
> > to remember both menand women.
>

> Hi Wendy,
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_the_Riveter>
>
> There was not only Rosie the Riveter, but also Wendy the Welder :
>
> <http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/dynoGallDetail.asp?photoID=1739406>
>
> <http://www.yelp.com/events/photos/nidI5Nji3TjX9jaLCPUmtw?selected=BomihP
> LehZ6ShCfwarMJUA>
>
> There is also a statue :
>
> <http://columbiariverimages.com/Regions/Places/renaissance_trail_wendy_ro
> se.html>
>
> Gys, who did service way back when and never was shot at or fired a shot
> in anger, but who might have had another mother ( and no T2 from genetic
> imprinting ) if his father had married Gretgen the grateful virgin on his
> his back to Roterdam after the war.
>
> Now, forget this post. Because I promised him not to tell my mother when
> he died.
> Otoh, my mother never reads the internets.

Memorial Day is the most painful day of the year for me. Thank you for
making it a bit more bearable.

[Nick Cramer]

"Ozgirl" <are_we_t...@maccas.com> wrote:
> "StarDust" wrote in message
> news:77c78cdc-71a4-4e57...@googlegroups.com...
>

> On Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:22:42 PM UTC-7, Nick Cramer wrote:
> > As you prick your finger to feed your glucometer this Memorial Day,
> > look at
> >
> > the blood and think of those who lost their lives for us.

> Over 50 million people died in WW2, less than 500 thousand American, .3%
> of total US population.
> 9 million German and 20 million Russian etc... , 70% of the casualties
> was in Europe, Eastern front.
> But all you here about and the movies show how the US won the war.
> How Rambo killed everybody!
> Figure!!!!

> So? 1 person being killed at war is worthy of remembering. Who cares how
> many people were killed in different countries? It's not a pissing
> competition. This is America's special day for remembering their dead.
> Just as we in Aus remember far less dead on our Memorial Day.

. . . and you Ozzies are a tough bunch, too. I honor you on Anzac Day. When
is your Memorial Day?

[Nick Cramer]

mainframetech <mainfr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On May 26, 2:28=A0am, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Nick Cramer wrote:
> > > As you prick your finger to feed your glucometer this Memorial Day,
> > > look at the blood and think of those who lost their lives for us.
> >

> > i'm in canada so no i won't be doing that ,
> > but if your country stops invading other countries ,
> > you might not have anyone having to give up their life and ,
> > that might just be a better memorial moment for you
>

> Hmm. I thought Canada supplied fighters for WW1, WW2, the Korean
> War, and the Gulf war. They only missed the Vietnam war in recent
> years.

Yes, Chris. Australia and New Zealand, as well. There were many from many
countries who put themselves in harms way to fight for freedom. I thank
them all, especially those who gave their all for us.

I never intended for my original post to become a bone of contention. I
think, in particular, of my friend's brother, Pfc Anthony DiLonardo, USMC,
who died in the first wave of Marines to hit the beach on Iwo Jima in WWII.
I keep an upturned shotglass between my computer and the door to my room,
to toast the memory of the fallen. The glass is from Tun Tavern.

[Nick Cramer]

Opple0påad <Op...@Ople.com> wrote:
> "Budd Cochran" <mr_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >And we must remember that everyone trained for combat either has, will,
> >or might be putting their life on that line for others ... even those
> >that spit on them for doing what they had to do.
> >
> >I served with a future Vice-President in the National Guard (Indiana)
> >while a future President ducked the draft in Europe.
> >
> >And when that President, after getting elected, came on board my son's
> >ship, he fought down a need to puke when that President shook his hand.
> >
> >He wasn't the only sailor with the heaves . . .
> >
> >Which of them cared more about preserving freedom by doing what they
> >might have to do as in the possibility of being called up to Vietnam?

> In the USA we have 2 days that are distinctly different.
>
> Veterans Day is to honor all those who served in the US Armed Forces.
>
> Memorial Day is to honor those who died while serving.
>
> Monday May 27th is not about your service Budd.

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

–Lt. Col. John McCrae

[outsider]

"Historically Valborg is derived from the Viking fertility celebrations
that took place around April 30th, where the arrival of spring was
celebrated with bonfires at night. The actual purpose of the fires was
to scare off witches and evil spirits. A practical use for the bonfires
was also to scare off predators such as foxes before the livestock were
let out to graze on May 1st. In the Middle Ages, the pagan Spring
ritual became associated with Saint Walpurga who was declared a saint
during this time of the year."

http://tinyurl.com/oabotvv

> Yes, and tryng to figure out why there aren't any in Oslo.

Really? Let's look at how far astray you go with this one.

> One potential
> trouble spot has been identified and the people living there are taking
> action - positive action to make things better. The local problem is mainly
> poverty ...

It rather looks like the poverty was earlier invited there to resolve
a need for cheap labor issues. After all, people don't migrate into
poverty regions.

"Number of minorities (1st and 2nd generation) in Oslo by country of
origin per 1. January 2012[112]

"Rank Ancestry Number
1 Pakistan 22,034
2 Sweden 13,665
3 Somalia 12,779
4 Poland 12,180
5 Sri Lanka 7,365
6 Iraq 7,336
7 Turkey 6,206
8 Morocco 6,116
9 Vietnam 5,822
10 Iran 5,729
11 Philippines 4,968
12 India 4,064
13 Germany 3,501
14 Denmark 3,477
15 Afghanistan 2,986
16 Bosnia and Herzegovina 2,861
17 Russia 2,809
18 China, People's Republic of 2,658
19 United Kingdom 2,644
20 Kosovo 2,535"

Look at the numbers of 3rd world minorities.

And here's the population growth chart:

"Historical population
Year Pop. ±%
1951 434,365 —
1961 475,663 +9.5%
1971 481,548 +1.2%
1981 452,023 −6.1%
1991 461,644 +2.1%
2001 508,726 +10.2%
2011 599,230 +17.8%"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo

The direct problem isn't "poverty"! In most parts of the world
"guest workers" are sent home if the economy turns sour. The
problem in Oslo appears to be that the guest workers weren't
sent home as soon as they should have been.

> Oh and outsider - I am absolutely not diminishing anyone,

Bullocks!

> just pointing out
> that others deserve more recognition than they got - afterwards.
> Out of the factories and back to the kitchen ...

Precisely the same economic situation as Oslo has today. A positive
bump in the economy is just that, and any government that doesn't
recognize, and tell the population that up front, is promoting
future troubles for itself.

> There was recently a TV program about the RAF women pilots who ferried
> planes from the factories to the bases. Several lost their lives in this
> service.

What a load of crap.

Next you'll be telling me that deep tunnel miners who died during
two world wars were somehow different from deep tunnel miners through
all of history. Here's a clue for you, they weren't.

Similarly the women who ferried planes during WW2, both for the
UK as well as the USA, were not taking any risks that were uncommon
to the economic situation they placed themselves in, just like the
deep tunnel miners mentioned above.

The soldier, engaged in military actions, was an altogether different
critter. Land mines, snipers, being shelled, being bombed, are not
risks one undertook in exchange for economic advantage as do miners
and the women ferrying airplanes. I knew one of those American women
(she died a few years ago) and she did it because she received free
flight training and the job paid much better than anything else
available.

True to your socialist ideology, you conflate a bunch of stuff that
is unrelated.

Detroit's economic problems of today grew out of the WW2 dearth of
men. The uneducated and untrained southern Negro migrated off the
sharecropper farms during WW2 and went to work in the regional auto
industry. Too many stayed behind at the end of the war. Now there
for several generations, while multiplying, and they have no place
to go. Do you think the third world countries want their expats (as
in Oslo,) who have been spoiled by European living standards, back
now?

Why do you think Stalin sent so many "troublemakers" to Siberia
during and after WW2? The stories of the relatively wonderful living
conditions in Europe, compared to peasant/worker life in the SU,
were a politically and economically upsetting force once the
Soviet soldier returned home.

IKEA, founded in Sweden but now a Dutch company, at least leaves
3rd world workers in their home environment. OTOH there appears to
be child labor involved in some places. But because the workers are
in their home environment, we have to leave that alone. In many cases
if the children were fired the products would not be economically
competitive in the world marketplace, and the families of those
third world children would starve.

Moral of the situation? Leave third world workers in situ and take
the labor to them. It is far better to transport product than it
is to import 3rd world labor.

Here in the US, automobile assembly plants are now geographically
divested, many to southern states where cheap labor, and "right to
work" laws (labor union representation for labor not legally required)
have existed for generations. In an attempt to catch up, Michigan,
which has lost its hold on the auto assembly market, has finally
enacted "right to work" laws. In the meantime the state of Michigan
has taken control of the Detroit municipal government in an attempt
to stave off complete economic collapse of that local government.

It is clear to me that your worldview is skewed. I urge you, and
other socialists, to engage in a serious study of realpolitik
while recognizing that humanization aspects are essential, but
should *not* be *the sole* guiding principle.

There's and ancient Chinese proverb along the lines of, "He who
rides the tiger's back can never let go." Think about that in
the context of the above.

Although I was born in Europe and came to the US as a child soon
after WW2, if another European war breaks out in my lifetime I'll
urge the US to stay out of it and offer no Marshall plan afterwards.
I'm tired of Europeans rejecting America's contributions to making
Europe as good as it is today. Try compiling a list of the
countries that paid their entire WW2 debt to the US. Lotsa luck.

[Nick Cramer]

"Henry Mydlarz" <myd...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "Bjørn Steensrud" <bjo...@skogkatt.homelinux.org> wrote in message

> > StarDust wrote:
> >
> >> On Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:22:42 PM UTC-7, Nick Cramer wrote:
> >>> As you prick your finger to feed your glucometer this Memorial Day,
> >>> look at the blood and think of those who lost their lives for us.

> >> Over 50 million people died in WW2, less than 500 thousand American,
> >> .3% of total US population. 9 million German and 20 million Russian
> >> etc... , 70% of the casualties was in Europe, Eastern front. But all
> >> you here about
> >> and the movies show how the US won the war. How Rambo killed
> >> everybody! Figure!!!!
> >
> > IMO, Rosie the Riveter did more to win the war in Europe than GI Joe
> > did. As
> > Churchill maybe said, "give us the tools, and we will do the job. "
> > Both sides of the Atlantic did exactly that.
> >
> > Thanks to American industry, the allies were well equipped to wipe out
> > the nazis.
> >
> > OTOH I agree completely with Nick that US veterans and their families
> > deserve the support and gratitude of their nation - as do ours.
> > Bjørn, who did service way back when and never was shot at or fired a
> > shot in anger.

> On behalf of my mother and father, both survivors of the Nazi death
> camps, I thank and salute the brave soldiers, many leaving the safety of
> their lands, who fought and died to save them.

You are a mensh, Henry. I.m glad your parents survived the Holocaust and
sad that so many millions did not.

[Ozgirl]

"Nick Cramer" wrote in message
news:20130528051317.433$Z...@newsreader.com...

"Ozgirl" <are_we_t...@maccas.com> wrote:
> "StarDust" wrote in message
> news:77c78cdc-71a4-4e57...@googlegroups.com...
>
> On Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:22:42 PM UTC-7, Nick Cramer wrote:
> > As you prick your finger to feed your glucometer this Memorial Day,
> > look at
> >
> > the blood and think of those who lost their lives for us.

> Over 50 million people died in WW2, less than 500 thousand American,
> .3%
> of total US population.
> 9 million German and 20 million Russian etc... , 70% of the casualties
> was in Europe, Eastern front.
> But all you here about and the movies show how the US won the war.
> How Rambo killed everybody!
> Figure!!!!

> So? 1 person being killed at war is worthy of remembering. Who cares
> how
> many people were killed in different countries? It's not a pissing
> competition. This is America's special day for remembering their dead.
> Just as we in Aus remember far less dead on our Memorial Day.

. . . and you Ozzies are a tough bunch, too. I honor you on Anzac Day.
When
is your Memorial Day?

--

"Remembrance Day (11 November) marks the anniversary of the armistice
which ended the First World War (1914–18). Each year Australians observe
one minute silence at 11 am on 11 November, in memory of those who died
or suffered in all wars and armed conflicts.

ANZAC Day – 25 April – is probably Australia's most important national
occasion. It marks the anniversary of the first major military action
fought by Australian and New Zealand forces during the First World War."

[Nick Cramer]

"Ozgirl" <are_we_t...@maccas.com> wrote:
> "Nick Cramer" wrote in message

> "Ozgirl" <are_we_t...@maccas.com> wrote:
> > "StarDust" wrote in message

> > On Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:22:42 PM UTC-7, Nick Cramer wrote:
> > > As you prick your finger to feed your glucometer this Memorial Day,
> > > look at the blood and think of those who lost their lives for us.
>
> > Over 50 million people died in WW2, less than 500 thousand American,
> > .3%
> > of total US population.
> > 9 million German and 20 million Russian etc... , 70% of the casualties
> > was in Europe, Eastern front.
> > But all you here about and the movies show how the US won the war.
> > How Rambo killed everybody!
> > Figure!!!!
>
> > So? 1 person being killed at war is worthy of remembering. Who cares
> > how
> > many people were killed in different countries? It's not a pissing
> > competition. This is America's special day for remembering their dead.
> > Just as we in Aus remember far less dead on our Memorial Day.
>
> . . . and you Ozzies are a tough bunch, too. I honor you on Anzac Day.
> When is your Memorial Day?

"Remembrance Day (11 November) marks the anniversary of the armistice
which ended the First World War (1914–18). Each year Australians observe
one minute silence at 11 am on 11 November, in memory of those who died
or suffered in all wars and armed conflicts.

Celebrated in the USA as Veterans' Day, I know it as Armistice Day.

ANZAC Day – 25 April – is probably Australia's most important national
occasion. It marks the anniversary of the first major military action
fought by Australian and New Zealand forces during the First World War."

Thanks, Jan. I know well of Gallipoli. ;-|

[W. Baker]

Nick Cramer <n_cram...@pacbell.net> wrote:

Shhhh. don't let everybody know:-)

Wendy

[Bjørn Steensrud]

Too late. Besides, I love you, too :-)

[W. Baker]

Bj?rn Steensrud <bjo...@skogkatt.homelinux.org> wrote:

Too bad you are both married:-)
W

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Na rijp beraad schreef outsider :

Ugh.
M.

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Nick Cramer gebruikte zijn klavier om te schrijven :

> Maya Zuiderweg <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote:
>> Na rijp beraad schreef StarDust :
>>> On Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:22:42 PM UTC-7, Nick Cramer wrote:
>>>> As you prick your finger to feed your glucometer this Memorial Day,
>>>> look at
>>>>
>>>> the blood and think of those who lost their lives for us.
>
>>> Over 50 million people died in WW2, less than 500 thousand American,
>>> .3% of total US population. 9 million German and 20 million Russian
>>> etc... , 70% of the casualties was in Europe, Eastern front. But all
>>> you here about and the movies show how the US won the war. How Rambo
>>> killed everybody! Figure!!!!
>>
>> That's Hollywood for ya.
>
> . . . . and this from a Dutchie! <sigh>

Zooming in on the mentioning of the movies, Nick.
BTW on May the fourth, we have our memorial day, very impressive. May
the fifth is liberation day.
Cried these days :-(
M.

[Maya Zuiderweg]

% stelde dit idée voor :

What are you saying %..?
All a question of (too much) testeron?
M.

[Cheri]

Snipping for relevance is your friend.


"Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote in
message news:Lb-dnSUiYKbJoTjM...@giganews.com...

[Henry Mydlarz]

"Nick Cramer" <n_cram...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:20130528084411.099$8...@newsreader.com...

> "Ozgirl" <are_we_t...@maccas.com> wrote:
>> "Nick Cramer" wrote in message
>> "Ozgirl" <are_we_t...@maccas.com> wrote:
>> > "StarDust" wrote in message
>> > On Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:22:42 PM UTC-7, Nick Cramer wrote:
>> > > As you prick your finger to feed your glucometer this Memorial Day,
>> > > look at the blood and think of those who lost their lives for us.
>>
>> > Over 50 million people died in WW2, less than 500 thousand American,
>> > .3%
>> > of total US population.
>> > 9 million German and 20 million Russian etc... , 70% of the casualties
>> > was in Europe, Eastern front.
>> > But all you here about and the movies show how the US won the war.
>> > How Rambo killed everybody!
>> > Figure!!!!
>>
>> > So? 1 person being killed at war is worthy of remembering. Who cares
>> > how
>> > many people were killed in different countries? It's not a pissing
>> > competition. This is America's special day for remembering their dead.
>> > Just as we in Aus remember far less dead on our Memorial Day.
>>
>> . . . and you Ozzies are a tough bunch, too. I honor you on Anzac Day.
>> When is your Memorial Day?
>
> "Remembrance Day (11 November) marks the anniversary of the armistice

> which ended the First World War (1914-18). Each year Australians observe

> one minute silence at 11 am on 11 November, in memory of those who died
> or suffered in all wars and armed conflicts.
>
> Celebrated in the USA as Veterans' Day, I know it as Armistice Day.
>

> ANZAC Day - 25 April - is probably Australia's most important national

> occasion. It marks the anniversary of the first major military action
> fought by Australian and New Zealand forces during the First World War."
>
> Thanks, Jan. I know well of Gallipoli. ;-|
>
> --
> Nick, KI6VAV. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their
> families: https://semperfifund.org https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/
> http://www.specialops.org/ http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ ~Semper Fi~
> http://www.woundedwarriors.ca/ http://www.legacy.com.au/ ~Semper Fi~
>

I have an elderly Jewish friend, Paul, a survivor of the Holocaust in
Poland - when he was 14 his father was dragged away and shot by the Nazis;
mother was gassed in a "portable gas chamber"...

Hardly a week goes by where he's not commemorating some deportation or
liquidation..... of this ghetto or that... this massacre or that... too many
to list - it seems there was one every couple of weeks. One of the unknown
at the time things that American and other soldiers fought to put an end to.
His own ordeal ended when the death camp he was at was liberated by US
soldiers, brave soldiers who had fought and often died for the freedom of
people they never knew.

Henry

[outsider]

On 5/28/2013 8:31 PM, Henry Mydlarz wrote:

[...]

> I have an elderly Jewish friend, Paul, a survivor of the Holocaust
> in Poland - when he was 14 his father was dragged away and shot by
> the Nazis; mother was gassed in a "portable gas chamber"...

> Hardly a week goes by where he's not commemorating some deportation or
> liquidation..... of this ghetto or that... this massacre or that... too
> many to list - it seems there was one every couple of weeks. One of the
> unknown at the time things that American and other soldiers fought to
> put an end to. His own ordeal ended when the death camp he was at was
> liberated by US soldiers, brave soldiers who had fought and often died
> for the freedom of people they never knew.

Henry, I hope that "never again" holds true even after we're gone.
I have no patience for those who refuse to understand. And
unfortunately my impatience is legitimately growing. Most of the
time the "new truths" discovered by successive generations don't
have the anywhere near the importance to humanity of the truths
they discard in the process, until they are forced by experience
to relearn, as new, what their progenitors already tried to teach
them.

[%]

so in the next go round you just might get that GED

[Don Roberto]

She had to hang on to it all to put her - oh, so Europeon - response in
context. *And* to give you and me an opening to keep dragging Outsider's
rant around.

[Bjørn Steensrud]

It's okay, just don't tell our wives. What's that old Navy toast?
"To our wives and girlfriends - and may they never meet!"

[Bjørn Steensrud]

May the 8th is liberation day - and now also Veteran's day here. No special
memorial day, we should have one to celebrate the WW 2 sailors. Every 10th
of them was killed.

[outsider]

She, and a few others, have climbed on the back of a tiger
named "Idiot."

I'll tellya, Don, this overcast weather sure helps one generate good
rants. Half of this year's gardens are in the ground, the other half
is in the greenhouse. After all, I had two overnight frosts within
the past week and a half. Friday finishes up my 36 sessions of cardiac
rehab. They're not bad, but have been interrupting 3 days a week, so
it all works out to having the rest of my plants in the ground next
Monday. And yeah, I didn't trim either!

So how's things by_you? (BTW, I don't know if Chicago's Hispanic
community brought running by_you (they actually seem to say "byjew"
with no offense intended to anyone) together the way they say it,
or they learned it from the Chicago Polish, or the other way around,
or if it is just a Chicago kinda thing they both learned it locally
brought there by some other group. Enquiring minds want to know!)

[W. Baker]

Oh my, here I am at 77 in the midst of a vicarius(sp?) illicit
threesome:-) Ever so exciting viariously! As you can see, it doesn't
take much to keep me happy. I also have a low tolerance for alcohol, so
am a cheap drunk:-)

W

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Cheri schreef op 29-5-2013 :

> Snipping for relevance is your friend.

Glad to oblige :-)

<major snip of stupidity and obnoxiousness>
M.

[Don Roberto]

Sorry, no hablo Chicago.

[Opple0p�ad]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 22:34:11 -0600, "Budd Cochran" <mr_...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>And what did you do? Besides try to net nanny me, that is.
>
>Budd
>
>

I took my family to my sister's so we could all go to my nephew's
grave. Then the family spent the day together remembering all the
ones in our family who died while serving. Quite a few actually. I
did not however run around trying to make the day about myself as you
so obviously did.

[Nick Cramer]

Thanks, Maya. Sorry I was insensitive. I have a friend I only hear from
on Memorial Day and Armistice Day.

[Nick Cramer]

"Henry Mydlarz" <myd...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "Nick Cramer" <n_cram...@pacbell.net> wrote in message

> I have an elderly Jewish friend, Paul, a survivor of the Holocaust in
> Poland - when he was 14 his father was dragged away and shot by the
> Nazis; mother was gassed in a "portable gas chamber"...
>
> Hardly a week goes by where he's not commemorating some deportation or
> liquidation..... of this ghetto or that... this massacre or that... too
> many to list - it seems there was one every couple of weeks. One of the
> unknown at the time things that American and other soldiers fought to put
> an end to. His own ordeal ended when the death camp he was at was
> liberated by US soldiers, brave soldiers who had fought and often died
> for the freedom of people they never knew.

Thanks, Henry. I'm still not out of tears.

[Nick Cramer]

I'm sorry, Bjorn.

[Nick Cramer]

> : > : > Shhhh. don't let everybody know:-)
> : > : >
> : > : > Wendy
> : >
> : > : Too late. Besides, I love you, too :-)
> : >
> : > Too bad you are both married:-)

\

> : It's okay, just don't tell our wives. What's that old Navy toast?
> : "To our wives and girlfriends - and may they never meet!"
> Oh my, here I am at 77 in the midst of a vicarius(sp?) illicit
> threesome:-) Ever so exciting viariously! As you can see, it doesn't
> take much to keep me happy. I also have a low tolerance for alcohol, so
> am a cheap drunk:-)

I've got a year on you, Wendy. And my wife knows of my virtual
peccadiglios. Also, I can't handle more than a pint of 40% alcohol a day.

[Nick Cramer]

Opple0påad <Op...@Ople.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 May 2013 22:34:11 -0600, "Budd Cochran" <mr_...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:

> >And what did you do? Besides try to net nanny me, that is.

> I took my family to my sister's so we could all go to my nephew's
> grave. Then the family spent the day together remembering all the
> ones in our family who died while serving. Quite a few actually. I
> did not however run around trying to make the day about myself as you
> so obviously did.

I'm sorry, Opple. I thank you and your family.

[Don Roberto]

He has to do that - no one else will do it for him.