results (before/after)
triglycerides 655/231
cholesterol 269/235
hdl 42/49
ldl 190/140
blood glucose246/138
a1c 11.1/6.5
all other blood work was within normal range
weight 242/224
THIS DIET WORKS!!!!!
My blood sugars are 100-130 range for the most part. I need to get
them down a bit more, but I am really pleased with these results.
I saw my Doctor and she asked me what I was doing to get such great
results. I told her Atkins and she said she had been hearing good
things about lowcarb and I seemed to be the proof. She asked for more
info and I sent her the urls of the lowcarb and Atkins sites.
Bobbie
I am glad that you are doing so well on the Atkins diet. But
unfortunately that is not a way of eating plan that can sustain you for
the rest of your life. I was on Atkins 30 years ago so can you tell me
why I weigh 70 pounds more than I did before I started.
You might start to feel deprived and being deprived makes it difficult
to stay on program.
You seem to be doing well and I congratulate you. But when you lose what
you want, please find a way of eating that will keep the weight off and
can be done for the rest of your life.
Loretta
You might want to take a look at" Dr. Bernstein"s Diabetes Solution". His book/
methods are based on a low-carb way of eating{as is Dr. Atkins} and a sensible
approach to medication. I've followed his advice since 01/00 with great
results. Coupled with the Atkins diet I'm losing weight and feeling well.
Medications went from Glyburide 10mg x2, Glucophage 850mgx2 down to Glucophage
500x2.
Loretta Eisenberg wrote:
> Bobbie
>
> I am glad that you are doing so well on the Atkins diet. But
> unfortunately that is not a way of eating plan that can sustain you for
> the rest of your life. I was on Atkins 30 years ago so can you tell me
> why I weigh 70 pounds more than I did before I started.
Because you stopped.
Whatever plan you choose, if you stop it you will gain it all back plus.
No one plan is for everyone. This is not a one size fits all world. Many
people will do great on Atkins forever, some won't. Many people will do
great on the ADA diet forever, some won't. We must stop looking for THE
answer that fits everyone... everyone needs to experiment and discover for
themselves.
Jennifer
>
> Loretta Eisenberg wrote:
> Because you stopped.
> Jennifer
You are right, Jennifer. It was because she stopped. I tried it
about 30 years ago and I stopped too. And I know its a bit different
diet than it was back then, but the problem is the same. Sustainability.
If we had felt comfortable with the diet, nothing could have stopped us.
I think generally Atkins and Bernstein are on the right track, I mean
some of their concepts are right. For a diabetic to eat a diet mostly
consisting of carbs is deadly (rare exceptions). They are more on-track
than the ADA/AHA/USDA food pyramid. I just think the go about it rather
poorly. Radical changes in diet do not satisfy most people.
I certainly agree with your last statement: "everyone needs to experiment
and discover for themselves."
Best health (and eating) to you.
Jude
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>No one plan is for everyone. This is not a one size fits all world. Many
>people will do great on Atkins forever, some won't. Many people will do
>great on the ADA diet forever, some won't. We must stop looking for THE
>answer that fits everyone... everyone needs to experiment and discover for
>themselves.
>
>Jennifer
From the high carb side of the pyramid, I agree completely I think
most of us don't like it when we hear that our diet is not the 'right
way to eat'.
I know it makes me very angry when I hear the a high carb diet is
deadly for a diabetic. High carb is my way of eating, it works well
for me and I will eat this way as long as it works which I hope is
forever.
By the same token there are many diabetic who eat low-carb and it
works well for them. I know some get just as angry when their way of
eating is attacked. I think on this issue we need to agree that your
milage may vary and please not accuse one another of advocate a diet
that will 'kill' us.
The original poster has found a diet that works for them and should be
congratulated for that not told their diet won't work over the long
haul.
:) Just another DeadHead Computer Nerd :)
Seti@Home member since 9/99 top 5%
so last year, almost to the day, i was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes,
and put on amaryl. after being on amaryl for 3 months, my blood sugar
was still at about 220 in the morning, and 12 in the afternoons, but
in the 300s after dinner!
so i figured it was time for atkins again. within 10 days my count in
the morning was 110, and in the afternoons was 70, and about 75 after
dinner. AND my doc took me totally off of the med last october.
can i sustain this "eating plan"? sure i can, if i CHOOSE to, so ask
me in a couple of years. if i don't well, it'll be back to less than
effective medication i suppose, makes it an easy choice as long as i
think with my head, and not my mouth.
i DO go off at least once a month, for one day. no more than twice a
month. that was it makes it more sustainable maybe, if i can't have
the pecan pie today, i know i can in a couple of weeks.
my doc was pleased at my numbers, but i think he wanted this diet to
NOT work. but he can't argue with my numbers (he classified them as
'excellent' at my quarterly blood test two weeks ago --even after the
holidays), and told me 'whatever it is you're doing, keep doing it!'
as far as the diet goes, it's pretty easy, there are very few 'gray
area' foods, most foods are either in-play or out of bounds... so i
run the nearest B-B-Q joint for lunch most days, often i get extra to
take home for supper. after a few weeks on this diet eating becomes
an annoyance, you can FEEL that you need to eat, but if it weren't for
that you'd probably just keep doing whatever it is you were doing.
but then when you DO go off the reservation for a day, it's tough to
get back on sometimes, just gut it out.
this is a good time to start, no big holidays coming up, except
easter, then it's clear sailing until july 4th.
so is it sustainable? i would think so. it's not a LIFE sentence
without parole, it's just a matter of control. with the occasional
allowance, within reason (get your ketostix! and use them!)
i do drink caffeine, it is verboten on the new atkins i understand,
but DANG! heh, no body's perfect! i gotta have a couple of cups of
coffee to get going, and my iced tea with dinner (i can't stand diet
drinks, i've never finished an entire 12 oz. can of any diet soda in
my life)
i take a daily multi-vitamin, calcium supplements, an aspirin, and
chromium picolinate (when i remember to buy it)
oh, and i've lost about 70 lbs so far, in 9 months... not as fast as i
did in my teens and 20s, but then again, I'M not as fast as i was in
my teens and 20s.
good luck, and let's have a rib-eye and some asparagus with butter and
some lemon juice on both for dinner tomorrow night!
On Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:47:24 -0500 (EST), Ron...@webtv.net (Loretta
Eisenberg) wrote:
>Bobbie
>
>I am glad that you are doing so well on the Atkins diet. But
>unfortunately that is not a way of eating plan that can sustain you for
>the rest of your life. I was on Atkins 30 years ago so can you tell me
>why I weigh 70 pounds more than I did before I started.
>
>You might start to feel deprived and being deprived makes it difficult
>to stay on program.
>
>You seem to be doing well and I congratulate you. But when you lose what
>you want, please find a way of eating that will keep the weight off and
>can be done for the rest of your life.
>
>Loretta
How did you know that's what I had last night? Along with a wonderful
baked onion soup, lettuce salad and a side of tomato/feta/olive. Ate
most of the leftovers today. Like I said, I don't find the concepts
wrong, just some of the specifics. It still has to be reasonably related
to our normal WayOfEating or we won't stick to it.
Read Atkins. Read Bernstein. Read the info about the Food Pyramid.
But ultimately, subtle changes in your WayOfEating will be longer-lasting.
Re-teach yourself.
You're right... if you don't feel comfortable on a diet, it isn't
sustainable. That's my point. For me, a veteren of the diet wars... who's
lost and regained 100 pounds three times in my life, eating low carb is the
only time I've felt a WOE was sustainable.
I don't follow any one plan... I've devised on that works for me. Years ago I
stopped dieting for weight loss and even after diagnosis last year I decided I
would only use my BG as a measure of success. Reading all I could about the
disease it seemed completely logical to me to use a low carb eating plan to
control my blood glucose. And that's what I did. Ignoring doctors, RD's etc.
I'm thrilled to say that I rarely see a PP over 115 and my last few A1Cs
haven't topped 5.4.
I've also begun to believe with all my heart that I've had a carbohydrate
disorder my entire life. I never understood why I could eat a large bowl of
pasta (with fat free sauce of course) for dinner and find myself in the kitchen
an hour later needing to eat something, anything. The intense draw to eat was
mind boggling. I of course, looked for all the psychological reasons... "I must
have low self esteem" "I'm pushing down my feelings with food"... Although,
besides being fat, there was no reason to believe they were true. Great job,
great life... But it's what I was told... it's what I read in every magazine.
Since LC, I have not had one of those insane hunger episodes. While I'm still
not using weight loss as my goal, just BG... I have in fact lost about 60
pounds. Any other WOE I've tried has always seemed tenuous, as though I were
just hanging on day to day. For ME, this seems very natural... easy... and it
fits into my lifestyle without thinking.
There just in not one answer for every person trying to lose weight or to
control diabetes... Low fat works for some... low carb for others... What is
sustainable for some may be torture for others. A question that can only be
answered by our own personal experimentation.
Jennifer
Jude Crouch wrote:
> You are right, Jennifer. It was because she stopped. I tried it
> about 30 years ago and I stopped too. And I know its a bit different
> diet than it was back then, but the problem is the same. Sustainability.
> If we had felt comfortable with the diet, nothing could have stopped us.
>
> I think generally Atkins and Bernstein are on the right track, I mean
> some of their concepts are right. For a diabetic to eat a diet mostly
> consisting of carbs is deadly (rare exceptions). They are more on-track
> than the ADA/AHA/USDA food pyramid. I just think the go about it rather
> poorly. Radical changes in diet do not satisfy most people.
>
> I certainly agree with your last statement: "everyone needs to experiment
> and discover for themselves."
>
> Best health (and eating) to you.
>
>>I am glad that you are doing so well on the Atkins diet. But
>>unfortunately that is not a way of eating plan that can sustain you for
>>the rest of your life. I was on Atkins 30 years ago so can you tell me
>>why I weigh 70 pounds more than I did before I started.
>>
>
If you weigh today 70 lbs more than you did 30 years ago, how long
were you on the diet and how long since you were on the diet. If you
changed your eating habits, you cannot blame the diet. You CHOSE to
go off Atkins so you CHOSE your results just as any of us do when we
make a change in our diet.
I am sorry you had a bad experience, but mine has been far different.
I love the diet I am on (a combination Atkins/Bernstein) and I CHOOSE
to stay on it. I have tried hundreds of diets and never felt good
about the way I was eating, including 10 years of lowfat, high carb
during which I lost nada in weight. I suppose I could stand a lowfat,
high carb diet for the rest of my life, but I feel the same about
highcarb and will most likely live longer this way.
Bobbie
> I am sorry you had a bad experience, but mine has been far different.
> I love the diet I am on (a combination Atkins/Bernstein) and I CHOOSE
> to stay on it.
How long have you been on this diet? And do you think you can eat this
way for the rest of your life? It may well work for YOU. We are all
different, however. I suspect that most of us will fall off the diet
(ANY diet) because we end up feeling deprived in some way. The fact
that the diet may be good for us is ultimately irrelevant because
humans are basically irrational and emotional beings and do not always
choose what is physically best for us. If that were not so, it's
likely that a large majority of us T2's wouldn't have gotten diabetes
in the first place; we could have avoided our genetic trap. We have
emotional needs, too, and food (for better or worse) is often tied
together with them. Deny these needs at your peril! So, plan to
cheat. A LITTLE. Don't go crazy! Have that occasional slice of pizza
or that piece of chocolate if that's what you feel deprived of. Buy
the very best you can. Savor it! And then exercise ten minutes longer
than usual. You'll lessen the feeling of deprivation and hopelessness
and then you'll feel virtuous for not letting your emotional needs
completely overwhelm the diabetic's need for control. Be moderate in
all things, including moderation; in short, be moderately immoderate!
(Paraphrasing Conrad Hilton) Find joy in even the smallest things. We
are not robots!! We have a LIFE and just because we have diabetes
doesn't mean that we can't LIVE it! But find a balance that works for
you.
(Now obviously, this does not necessarily apply to ALL of us. If your
bg's are out of control or the tiniest bit of chocolate will send you
through the roof, you'll have to find another way to fulfill emotional
needs that once were filled by food. Public Service?)
"Happiness is having something to look forward to..." (From a movie I
saw the other day)
--
David Thompson
Studio City, CA
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"Tower-O-Power" <ron...@tower-o-power.net> wrote in message
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> I have a question and I don't mean it to be a nasty one.
> If having diabetes does not mean we can't have a Life then why when I became
> diabetic did my Life end ? Just wondering.
But did it end? I know that for a lot of people the DIAGNOSIS feels
like the bottom dropped out from under them. If there are a lot of
other problems they can certainly exacerbate these feelings (some of
the experiences others have shared leave me shaking my head in wonder:
how have these people survived?). But, I think we have to find
ourselves a place where we can put the disease in perspective. We ARE
still alive and, though they may be hard to find, there has to be at
least some small little things that we cherish. A friend. A partner.
A memory. Food (even though right now it seems like the enemy). I
know how it feels to be at the bottom, where life doesn't seem like
it's worth living and you just want the pain to stop. Strangely, I
think the DIAGNOSIS is helping me with this a little; it lifted me up.
So, I'm holding on to past good things in hope that there will still be
good things and that I'll still be here to recognize them when they
come.
Bobbie wrote:
>
> Written on 02 Apr 2000 21:22:09 GMT:
>
> >>I am glad that you are doing so well on the Atkins diet. But
> >>unfortunately that is not a way of eating plan that can sustain you for
> >>the rest of your life. I was on Atkins 30 years ago so can you tell me
> >>why I weigh 70 pounds more than I did before I started.
> >>
> >
>
> If you weigh today 70 lbs more than you did 30 years ago, how long
> were you on the diet and how long since you were on the diet. If you
> changed your eating habits, you cannot blame the diet. You CHOSE to
> go off Atkins so you CHOSE your results just as any of us do when we
> make a change in our diet.
>
> I am sorry you had a bad experience, but mine has been far different.
> I love the diet I am on (a combination Atkins/Bernstein) and I CHOOSE
> I haven't seen you in the group before but I sure hope you stay. You have a
> very good positive attitude.
Thanks. I've been around a little while, mostly reading, occasionally
posting. I not sure my attitude is always so positive, but I'm feeling
pretty "up" today. I think writing positively is cathartic: I might
even convince myself! I just know that if I'm to survice this, I HAVE
to FIND the right attitude, the one that works for ME. So do we all...
> The key is to forget the word "diet" since it implies deprivation. You
> have to just get used to eating differently. Mine is essentially getting
> rid of carbohydrates and fat, and "cheating" occasionally and allowing
> myself these items. You get used to it, and the "cheating" will allow
> you to have some carbs and fats occasionally. For me, it seems to work.
> Good luck with whatever you end up liking. Oh yea, of course sugar is
> out! Just eat lots of fresh veggies and protein, some fruit. Thank
> goodness for fat free lunchmeats and wieners! Also, for me personally,
> the new fat free Miracle Whip is a godsend! My weakness!
>
Does the fat free MW have sugar in it? And how is it calorie-wise? I might
look into that as i do love miracle whip...course, i don't eat bread much
anymore..hmmm, i wonder what it would taste like on cucumber. ;)
Denise
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I am what you call the yo yo. But Atkins diet is too high in fat and
cholesterol to use for the rest of your life. I guess if you get down
to your goal and then modify it it can be healthy.
Look if it works for you, great, it worked for me to, but as a yo yoer
nothing sustained. Now I am on the ADA pyramid of 1200 calories a day.
I feel I am getting balance and i am cutting back on the carbs they
allow me.
I am off meds fo the last two days;. My doc said only take it if bgs
over 140 so my numbers have been pretty good and I have lost about 20
pounds but that is going slowly.
So what I am saying, to each their own and the end result is the
important thing and that is normal bg readings.
Loretta
Have a life. Just don't make it food. Food is not a life, food is just
what we need to keep us alive. I challenge you to think about food, and
why it means what it means to you. In almost all cases it will not
be what *nutrition* means to you, it will almost always be some emotional
reason.
When you can think of it as nutrition, things will get easier.
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"David Thompson" <dlthompson@*invalid*mac.com> wrote in message
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> In article <Rw7G4.579$X21....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> Diana <DM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > I have a question and I don't mean it to be a nasty one.
> > If having diabetes does not mean we can't have a Life then why when I
became
> > diabetic did my Life end ? Just wondering.
>
> But did it end? I know that for a lot of people the DIAGNOSIS feels
> like the bottom dropped out from under them. If there are a lot of
> other problems they can certainly exacerbate these feelings (some of
> the experiences others have shared leave me shaking my head in wonder:
> how have these people survived?). But, I think we have to find
> ourselves a place where we can put the disease in perspective. We ARE
> still alive and, though they may be hard to find, there has to be at
> least some small little things that we cherish. A friend. A partner.
> A memory. Food (even though right now it seems like the enemy). I
> know how it feels to be at the bottom, where life doesn't seem like
> it's worth living and you just want the pain to stop. Strangely, I
> think the DIAGNOSIS is helping me with this a little; it lifted me up.
> So, I'm holding on to past good things in hope that there will still be
> good things and that I'll still be here to recognize them when they
> come.
>
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To Be Remembered Tomorrow
"Jude Crouch" <jcr...@pobox.com> wrote in message
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> Diana <DM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > Hi
> > I have a question and I don't mean it to be a nasty one.
> > If having diabetes does not mean we can't have a Life then why when I
became
> > diabetic did my Life end ? Just wondering.
Fred
KE8TQ
Hams Do It With High Frequency in Dayton Ohio and around the world
Not me.
Not me, either. But i have a knack for picking out tender cuts of meat and
Rod likes to brag about my chuck steaks. I put the steaks in a skillet with
about 1/2 cup water and turn the heat on high to sear the meat, then turn
it down to low. I season it with a bit of lemon pepper or spike and
sometimes chili powder. Let it cook til done, cut off any fat that i didn't
cut off before hand and voila, its really good. :)
But yeah, i would prefer a Porterhouse myself!
> Bobbie--I, too am trying a combo of Atkins/Hellers approach to this
> nightmare. I have a significant amount of weight to lose and and doc
> gave me 4 weeks to "lose something" and to dietetically change my
> glucose. I'm only on day 4, but there has to be a beginning somewhere.
> He told me that this would be a "safe" place to start, but it would be
> "dangerous for more than 6 mos. I questioed him, but he did not
> elaborate on that remark.
> I was just diagnosed on Friday, and I ca't get in to see the
> dieticin at the regional diabetic center for 3 weeks. Great, huh?
One of the most insane things that occurs in medicine. You, the
patient, are ready now, right? Okay, start with Atkins if you like,
but do me a favor? Read Bernstein, and read the conventional wisdom of
the USDA/ADA/AKA. Understand that no one diet is best for you, unless
you have created it. Learn all you can. And consider it all as a
whole-life situation... assume there is no time that you will not have
diabetes.
I hope that no matter which plan you finally settle on that you will have
great satisfaction and not feel deprived.
Best eating to you.
I guess he's guilty of doing reserch and learning from it.
On Sun, 02 Apr 2000 22:08:36 GMT, Jennifer
<jenn...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>Loretta Eisenberg wrote:
>
>> Bobbie
>>
>> I am glad that you are doing so well on the Atkins diet. But
>> unfortunately that is not a way of eating plan that can sustain you for
>> the rest of your life. I was on Atkins 30 years ago so can you tell me
>> why I weigh 70 pounds more than I did before I started.
>
>Because you stopped.
>
>Whatever plan you choose, if you stop it you will gain it all back plus.
>
>No one plan is for everyone. This is not a one size fits all world. Many
>people will do great on Atkins forever, some won't. Many people will do
>great on the ADA diet forever, some won't. We must stop looking for THE
>answer that fits everyone... everyone needs to experiment and discover for
>themselves.
>
>Jennifer
>
>
>
>
>>
>
Robert L. Vervoordt
<rl...@mindspring.com>
>Bobbie--I, too am trying a combo of Atkins/Hellers approach to this
>nightmare. I have a significant amount of weight to lose and and doc
>gave me 4 weeks to "lose something" and to dietetically change my
>glucose. I'm only on day 4, but there has to be a beginning somewhere.
>He told me that this would be a "safe" place to start, but it would be
>"dangerous for more than 6 mos. I questioed him, but he did not
>elaborate on that remark.
This is only my opinion but I believe if you lose weight on a diet you
don't intend to stay with for life you are setting yourself up to gain
the weight back. Losing weight slowly on a maintainable diet for a
lower weight is better than rapid weight loss only to gain the weight
back. Think about finding a diet that you can live with forever.
> I was just diagnosed on Friday, and I ca't get in to see the
>dieticin at the regional diabetic center for 3 weeks. Great, huh?
> I'd appreciate any advice or tips you could share with
>me...Thanks...Terry