I did a bad thing :-(
Jolanna
Today I noticed the apricots were looking over ripe so I decided I had
better eat them for lunch with my tacquitos. The tacquitoes have
enough carbs in the corn tortilla that I shouldn't have done that. but
the fruit sure was good.
A couple hours later I wanted a snack. I looked in the fridge and
spied some pudding in little snack cups. It has been months since I
had pudding, so I ate one. After awhile I was hungry again so I ate a
couple of very small wrinkled peaches. They were delicious. Awhile
after that I suddenly remembered the cherries. I got the whole bag out
and set it on my desk while I was reading. My elbow sure was bending
between the bag and my mouth!
All of a sudden, it was like I woke up and asked myself, what am I
doing!! I had to force myself to put the bag away. Then I decided
maybe I better test my bg. It was 230!! And the cherries hadn't really
had time to hit the bloodstream. I decided right then and there that I
had better ask my PCP for a referrel to a nutritionist. I need help
controlling the "hungries"!!
For a late supper I had a broiled, skinless, boneless chicken breast
and a caesar salad with NO croutons, plus half a cucumber. One hour PP
is 90. Thank God. I have got to portion the fruit out only a little
per day. And leave the pudding for my son.
So what can I chomp on mid-afternoon? Cucumbers? Fresh broccoli with
Caesar dressing for dip? What am I going to do with all that fruit? My
PCP told me to eat an apple a day. How much fruit can a T2 eat in a
day? My son won't eat it. And I love it. I shouldn't have bought so
much. If I have to dribble it out per day, it is going to spoil. Rats!
--
Jolanna
DM TYPE II
Dx May 31, 2006
Lantus
Metformin
Avandia
Jennifer
Food is not good or bad... and you aren't good or bad depending on what
you ate.
What you did was make food choices that don't suit your diabetic body ; )
You're not going to keel over from that today... but you did seem to
learn from it. And that's a positive thing.
You CAN eat an apple a day. You just can't eat an apple all at once.
Half at one meal... half at another. And fruit can fit into your
plan... you just have to figure out which fruits give you the biggest
bang for your carb bucks.
As for the hungries... many people find that overdoing carbs creates the
hungries. So that may have been your problem today.
See the nutritionist. Arm your self with all your questions. Between
you and her or him and your trusty meter... you'll be able to figure out
a plan.
Jennifer
Gantlet
"Jolanna" <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote in message
I shouldn't have bought so
> much. If I have to dribble it out per day, it is going to spoil. Rats!
>
> --
>
> Jolanna
i go shoping for a couple of days at a time.
I am sorry that i cant just type out what or how you should eat.
not that i cant - i just think it would be wrong. there is a certain amount
of Psychology
involved in treating diabetics. sometimes what is wrong to eat actually
helps keep me in control. i think you are right to think you should see a
dietitian. keep in mind tho that i doubt
this group will like that advice just as much as the dietitian probably wont
like the advice you get from here. Good luck
Tom
louisejoi
> So what can I chomp on mid-afternoon? Cucumbers? Fresh broccoli with
> Caesar dressing for dip? What am I going to do with all that fruit? My
> PCP told me to eat an apple a day. How much fruit can a T2 eat in a
> day? My son won't eat it. And I love it. I shouldn't have bought so
> much. If I have to dribble it out per day, it is going to spoil. Rats!
Don't let it spoil. Give it to a neighbor, friend or coworker...soon so
you're not tempted again. And chomp on those veggies!
--
Best wishes,
Louise
Type 2 since 2000
Controlling by exercise and diet
and now metformin
Loretta Eisenberg
be done to change that. we are people who have desires and wants. You
cant be derprived.
I have maybe two fruits a day, I have one at about five and by dinner
it is okay
I allow myself ten to fifteen cherries a day with no problem.
I eat [eaches, plums canteloupe, strawberries, blueberries and a half a
small banana. Not all in one day peaches plums and nectarines I bought
by size, not too big. I can have a half of a smal apple and on third of
a large apple.
You need to test each fruit as you introduce it into your life. at the
one hour and two hour post prandial to see how eah food affects your bg.
Loretta
--
In tribute to the United States of America and the State
of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
terrorism.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> A few days ago I bought a month's groceries, including a lot of fruit.
Uh-oh. Lots of any kind of food especially fruit is not advisable for
type 2 diabetics.
> Today I noticed the apricots were looking over ripe so I decided I had
> better eat them for lunch with my tacquitos. The tacquitoes have
> enough carbs in the corn tortilla that I shouldn't have done that. but
> the fruit sure was good.
Those who are using the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach would have kept
their lunch at the same amount in terms of weight even with the
inclusion of apricots.
> A couple hours later I wanted a snack.
Eating healthy thereby being healthier increases hunger, which is one's
healthy appetite.
> I looked in the fridge and
> spied some pudding in little snack cups. It has been months since I
> had pudding, so I ate one.
In truth, the reason you ate one was because of how you were dealing
with being hungrier.
> After awhile I was hungry again so I ate a
> couple of very small wrinkled peaches. They were delicious. Awhile
> after that I suddenly remembered the cherries. I got the whole bag out
> and set it on my desk while I was reading. My elbow sure was bending
> between the bag and my mouth!
>
> All of a sudden, it was like I woke up and asked myself, what am I
> doing!!
You were so bothered by your hunger that you decided unconsciously that
you would not put up with it and proceeded to eat to drive it away.
> I had to force myself to put the bag away. Then I decided
> maybe I better test my bg. It was 230!!
Not a surprise.
Anyone can overeat to the point of elevating their blood glucose
inordinately.
> And the cherries hadn't really
> had time to hit the bloodstream. I decided right then and there that I
> had better ask my PCP for a referrel to a nutritionist. I need help
> controlling the "hungries"!!
Actually, you need to befriend your hunger. The healthier you become,
the hungrier you will be. Again, hunger is a healthy appetite.
Three truths about hunger:
(1) No one has every died from hunger. People do die from starvation.
People dying from starvation are **not** hungry.
(2) "Hunger is the best pickle (seasoning)" -- Benjamin Franklin
(3) Hunger is a healthy person as a canary is to a coal miner. If you
lose your hunger without eating more, there is something wrong (cancer,
AIDS, tuberculosis, et cetera).
In truth, hunger is a blessing:
"Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied." -- LORD
Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
"The laborer's appetite works for him; his hunger drives him on." --
King Solomon (Proverbs 16:26)
> For a late supper I had a broiled, skinless, boneless chicken breast
> and a caesar salad with NO croutons, plus half a cucumber. One hour PP
> is 90. Thank God.
Yes... thank and praise HIM always. Laus Deo !
> I have got to portion the fruit out only a little per day. And leave the pudding for my son.
Would suggest you ask your doctor(s) to supervise your use of the
diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach.
> So what can I chomp on mid-afternoon?
When you find yourself unable to put up with your hunger in between
smaller meals, it would be wise for you to find things to do instead of
things to eat. Let your work be your food instead of snacks outside of
meals.
"My food is to do the will of HIM who sent ME and to finish HIS work."
-- LORD Jesus Christ (John 4:34)
> Cucumbers?
No. Work.
> Fresh broccoli with Caesar dressing for dip?
No. Work.
> What am I going to do with all that fruit?
Take them to your local homeless shelter.
> My PCP told me to eat an apple a day. How much fruit can a T2 eat in a
> day?
Depends on how much you are already eating.
> My son won't eat it. And I love it. I shouldn't have bought so
> much. If I have to dribble it out per day, it is going to spoil. Rats!
Again, take them to your local homeless shelter.
May Christ Jesus' peace be with you, dear neighbor Julana.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
Julie Bove
"Jolanna" <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote in message
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I'm surprised that your BG wasn't higher than it was, but then you're on a
LOT of meds plus insulin. For one thing if you get your BG down and keep it
down, you'll find that you're not as hungry.
As for fruit, I don't much like it and have to push myself to eat any at
all. Most days I eat none. If I do eat it, it's a few strawberries fresh
from the garden, or an apple or pear from our trees. I might have 1/2 a
grapefruit on occasion. I am also transitioning over to a raw diet. I've
made brownies and fudge using dates, pecans, cocoa and sometimes coconut and
coconut oil. I can eat a small piece of this with no problem.
There is no one diet we all follow. So there is no such thing as how much
fruit a person with type 2 can eat. For some it is no fruit whatever. For
some, it is some fruit on occasion. For others it is only certain types of
fruit.
I don't normally snack. If I do snack, it is usually coconut, nuts or
seeds. I have food allergies. Used to snack on cheese, but no more of
that. Unless it's nut cheese!
As for the apple a day... Why did the Dr. tell you to do this?
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http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm
Roger Zoul
so much and don't eat it along with nothing else. Apricots are high sugar
and should never be eaten with tacquitoes unless you want ot run your BG up.
Jolanna wrote:
:: A few days ago I bought a month's groceries, including a lot of
Roger Zoul
:: "Jolanna" <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote in message
I think it's complete nonsense that you suggest that she can only help
herself by seeing a dietitian.
Obviously, she ate way too many carbs and if she would like fruits, she can
make better choices. Again, one doesn't need a dietitian to figure this
stuff out.
Evelyn Ruut
I have done what you did too in the past, and paid the price for it. When
my BG rises too much, I get this crushing fatigue that is so severe I can
barely move at all, and only then with great effort. So for me it is made
clear right away when I have overdone something.
I have come to a place where I realized that not all carbs are bad and not
all protein and fats are good. Eating right is very easy if you set
yourself up to do it. Limiting the so called bad foods is the key, and
paying attention to quantities on so called good foods too.
I have learned since diagnosis, that I feel better overall on what is called
a balanced approach, but limiting and watching out for the carbohydrates
especially. You (and most of us type 2's) are never ever going to be able
to eat all the fruit you want, or all the bread rice or potatoes you want
ever again. That doesn't have to mean they are totally taboo, but you
really can't just eat them when you want in the quantities you want.
I limit myself to one small piece of fruit every day, and I watch out what
kind and what quantity. Yesterday afternoon I had a half a peach. No
other fruit, no dessert type carbs. Fortunately hubby ate the other half.
All low carb foods are not unlimited. All fats are not unlimited, all
fruits are not good, nor are all vegetables. I can eat one ear of nice
fresh in season corn, and that becomes my carb portion of the meal. No
dessert, no fruit, no pile of mashed potatoes along with it. This time of
year there is a bounty of wonderful fresh vegetables. Salads, green beans,
zuchhini, summer squash, broccoli.... I try to enjoy this bounty instead of
the fruit binge.
When you have some nice apricots going wrinkly in the fridge, cut them up,
cook them with some splenda and then freeze them in a little container, to
eat as a dessert later on sometime.
If you've already had a piece of fruit that day, don't eat them, no matter
how tempted you are. Better to throw them out, than to wreck your health
over them. I know, I know..... I grew up never wasting food too. But
having diabetes is a different ball game.
--
Best Regards,
Evelyn
(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox')
Roger Zoul
Evelyn Ruut wrote:
:: I have done what you did too in the past, and paid the price for it.
ray
> For a late supper I had a broiled, skinless, boneless chicken breast
> and a caesar salad with NO croutons, plus half a cucumber. One hour PP
> is 90. Thank God. I have got to portion the fruit out only a little
> per day. And leave the pudding for my son.
Fish is also good - maybe grilled Salmon or boiled shrimp?
>
> So what can I chomp on mid-afternoon? Cucumbers? Fresh broccoli with
> Caesar dressing for dip? What am I going to do with all that fruit? My
> PCP told me to eat an apple a day. How much fruit can a T2 eat in a
> day? My son won't eat it. And I love it. I shouldn't have bought so
> much. If I have to dribble it out per day, it is going to spoil. Rats!
I usually limit myself to one piece of fruit with lunch - which is usually
two WASA Fibre wafers, margarine and cheese.
I snack (when I snack) on walnuts and sunflower seeds. I have to keep
reminding myself that if I snack much, I'm going to pay for it. Sticking
to three meals, no snacks and maybe a little dry red wine or a martini
before bed seems to work for me.
W. Baker
: > For a late supper I had a broiled, skinless, boneless chicken breast
I use fruit in my cottage cheese, small amounts of several fruits and
plain yogurt breadfast and it works for me. Not only no spikes, but nice
low bgs an hour or two later. I also use fruit , particularly at dinner
as a sessert, but I generally don't eat any starches or other carby stuff
in my main course. If I am low enough either in mid-afternoon or 2 hours
after dinner (below 100) I MAY tak some fruit, either a small peach or
apridot, 6-9 cherries (counted out-bag stays in fridge) half a peach or
nectarine if it is large, egc. In the fall and winter, when the summer
fruits are not available, I will eat 1/4-1/2 of an apple dependign on its
size.
Find a wy to encorporate limited amounts of fruits into your dieat without
over-doing it.
Wendy
Lynn
>
> So what can I chomp on mid-afternoon? Cucumbers? Fresh broccoli with
> Caesar dressing for dip? What am I going to do with all that fruit? My
> PCP told me to eat an apple a day. How much fruit can a T2 eat in a
> day? My son won't eat it. And I love it. I shouldn't have bought so
> much. If I have to dribble it out per day, it is going to spoil. Rats!
>
> --
>
> Jolanna
> DM TYPE II
> Dx May 31, 2006
> Lantus
> Metformin
> Avandia
Jolanna,
No snacking at all works for some people. I'm not on insulin so I have to
eat smaller meals to control my blood sugar. Having a planned snack in
between each meal works best for me. I get too hungry if I wait until the
next meal to eat, and end up grabbing whatever is most convent and eating
more of it than I should - which usually turns out to be bad on the blood
sugar. If you are going to eat between meals, I think it is best to plan
your snack like you would any other meal - at a set time with a eye on
portion and nutritional content. As far as what to have for a snack, you'll
have to use your meter to tell you that. I try to keep my kitchen stocked
with snacks that ok for me to have. I've also gone as far as to have a list
of snack ideas hanging on my pantry door. Doing this keeps me from getting
carried away and overeating.
Best of luck
Lynn
GD, 20wks
TigerLily
(only 1), cucumber, zucchini, marrow (like
spaghetti squash or eggplant), cauliflower,
celery, rhubarb, yellow or green beans, bean
sprouts, spinach, greens (beet greens, swiss
chard), radishes, red or green or orange peppers,
broccoli, brussel sprouts, asparagus, mushrooms,
parsley, onions (1/2 cup)
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Priscilla H. Ballou
Jolanna <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote:
> A few days ago I bought a month's groceries, including a lot of fruit.
> Today I noticed the apricots were looking over ripe so I decided I had
> better eat them for lunch with my tacquitos. The tacquitoes have
> enough carbs in the corn tortilla that I shouldn't have done that. but
> the fruit sure was good.
>
> A couple hours later I wanted a snack. I looked in the fridge and
> spied some pudding in little snack cups. It has been months since I
> had pudding, so I ate one. After awhile I was hungry again so I ate a
> couple of very small wrinkled peaches. They were delicious. Awhile
> after that I suddenly remembered the cherries. I got the whole bag out
> and set it on my desk while I was reading. My elbow sure was bending
> between the bag and my mouth!
>
> All of a sudden, it was like I woke up and asked myself, what am I
> doing!! I had to force myself to put the bag away. Then I decided
> maybe I better test my bg. It was 230!! And the cherries hadn't really
> had time to hit the bloodstream. I decided right then and there that I
> had better ask my PCP for a referrel to a nutritionist. I need help
> controlling the "hungries"!!
For many folks, consumption of quick carbs will trigger a craving for
more. Protein can hold off hunger longer, and fat can make you feel
fuller quicker.
> For a late supper I had a broiled, skinless, boneless chicken breast
> and a caesar salad with NO croutons, plus half a cucumber. One hour PP
> is 90. Thank God. I have got to portion the fruit out only a little
> per day. And leave the pudding for my son.
>
> So what can I chomp on mid-afternoon? Cucumbers? Fresh broccoli with
> Caesar dressing for dip?
Olives, pickles, berries, whole milk yogurt, cheese, nuts...
> What am I going to do with all that fruit? My
> PCP told me to eat an apple a day. How much fruit can a T2 eat in a
> day? My son won't eat it. And I love it. I shouldn't have bought so
> much. If I have to dribble it out per day, it is going to spoil. Rats!
Your meter can tell you how to pace your fruit consumption. Have you
read Jennifer's advice? I recommend it:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
Priscilla: T2; diag. 1/03; diet, exercise, metformin; A1c 5.5; -44lbs
Nicky
"Lynn" <noe...@noemail.com> wrote in message
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> I've also gone as far as to have a list of snack ideas hanging on my
> pantry door.
What's your list look like, Lynn?
Nicky, who's stuck on a seed rut...
--
A1c 10.5/5.3/<6 T2 DX 05/2004
No Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine
95/72/72Kg
Michelle
I'll be eager to see Lynn's list too. However, I do have one snack
that works pretty well for me: @ 2 cups of popcorn with a small
portion of some kind of nuts sprinkled in. My 1 hour BG runs 120 with
this one. Doesn't get completely away from the "seed rut", but dresses
it up a bit. :-)
Michelle T2
diet & exercise
W.M.McKee
<vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>In article <65qnd21bp2olng3dv...@4ax.com>,
> Jolanna <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>Olives, pickles, berries, whole milk yogurt, cheese, nuts...
>
>
>
>Your meter can tell you how to pace your fruit consumption. Have you
>read Jennifer's advice? I recommend it:
>http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
>
>Priscilla: T2; diag. 1/03; diet, exercise, metformin; A1c 5.5; -44lbs
That is exactly what works for me, Priscilla...
And, I learned it all from this wonderful group!
Thanks,
Will, T2
Metformin, too
Jolanna
<jennife...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>First of all... you didn't do a "bad thing".
>
>Food is not good or bad... and you aren't good or bad depending on what
>you ate.
>
>What you did was make food choices that don't suit your diabetic body ; )
>
>You're not going to keel over from that today... but you did seem to
>learn from it. And that's a positive thing.
>
>You CAN eat an apple a day. You just can't eat an apple all at once.
>Half at one meal... half at another. And fruit can fit into your
>plan... you just have to figure out which fruits give you the biggest
>bang for your carb bucks.
>
>As for the hungries... many people find that overdoing carbs creates the
>hungries. So that may have been your problem today.
>
>See the nutritionist. Arm your self with all your questions. Between
>you and her or him and your trusty meter... you'll be able to figure out
>a plan.
>
>Jennifer
>
I have heard that before about carbs making you crave more. I think
the pudding was the worst thing I ate.
I plan on seeing a nutritionist soon. Next week I will be seeing two
specialists, so I will wait until the week after to ask for a
nutritionist. My PCP knows how to find one who will take my insurance.
Jolanna
wrote:
>i go shoping for a couple of days at a time.
>I am sorry that i cant just type out what or how you should eat.
>not that i cant - i just think it would be wrong. there is a certain amount
>of Psychology
>involved in treating diabetics. sometimes what is wrong to eat actually
>helps keep me in control. i think you are right to think you should see a
>dietitian. keep in mind tho that i doubt
>this group will like that advice just as much as the dietitian probably wont
>like the advice you get from here. Good luck
>
>Tom
>
I live way out in the country and my income comes once a month. So I
do most of my grocery shopping once a month. 45 miles to the city. But
I did buy too much ripe fruit.
I will ask for a referrel to a nutritionist soon.
Jolanna
Eisenberg) wrote:
>Jolanna, give yourself a break, What happened happeend and nothing can
>be done to change that. we are people who have desires and wants. You
>cant be derprived.
>
>I have maybe two fruits a day, I have one at about five and by dinner
>it is okay
>
>I allow myself ten to fifteen cherries a day with no problem.
>
>I eat [eaches, plums canteloupe, strawberries, blueberries and a half a
>small banana. Not all in one day peaches plums and nectarines I bought
>by size, not too big. I can have a half of a smal apple and on third of
>a large apple.
>
>You need to test each fruit as you introduce it into your life. at the
>one hour and two hour post prandial to see how eah food affects your bg.
>
>Loretta
I have been eating an apple with a bit of cheese and crackers for
lunch for quite some time. Depending on the size of the apple and the
type, I spike at about 119.
Jolanna
wrote:
>
>
>
>"Jolanna" <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote in message
>news:65qnd21bp2olng3dv...@4ax.com...
>>
>
>I'm surprised that your BG wasn't higher than it was, but then you're on a
>LOT of meds plus insulin. For one thing if you get your BG down and keep it
>down, you'll find that you're not as hungry.
My FBG is usually in the 90s. Sometimes lower. But then there are my
dinnertime spikes mostly below 140 with an occasional 175.
>
>As for fruit, I don't much like it and have to push myself to eat any at
>all. Most days I eat none. If I do eat it, it's a few strawberries fresh
>from the garden, or an apple or pear from our trees. I might have 1/2 a
>grapefruit on occasion. I am also transitioning over to a raw diet. I've
>made brownies and fudge using dates, pecans, cocoa and sometimes coconut and
>coconut oil. I can eat a small piece of this with no problem.
Okay, what is the exact recipe? :-)) Sounds yummy.
>
>There is no one diet we all follow. So there is no such thing as how much
>fruit a person with type 2 can eat. For some it is no fruit whatever. For
>some, it is some fruit on occasion. For others it is only certain types of
>fruit.
I can't eat blueberries. For some reason they now taste like benzine!
>
>I don't normally snack. If I do snack, it is usually coconut, nuts or
>seeds. I have food allergies. Used to snack on cheese, but no more of
>that. Unless it's nut cheese!
That sounds good. Nut cheese? Is that a ball or roll of cheese covered
with nots or something else?
>
>As for the apple a day... Why did the Dr. tell you to do this?
I think for the fiber. She told me that the day i was Dx'd and i was
so sick with high BG and still getting over acute bronchitis and being
put on O2 and all the new meds and the stress of it all that i don't
remember much about that time. But I do remember she said not too much
fruit. But, of course, how was I to know how much is too much?
Jolanna
<roger...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Try some other fruits - strawberries, blueberries, raspberries. Also, don't
>so much and don't eat it along with nothing else. Apricots are high sugar
>and should never be eaten with tacquitoes unless you want ot run your BG up.
>
Well, most of the time I have an apple with cheese and crackers for
lunch. With that i spike at 119. Cantaloupe doesn't bother me. But how
can any fruit compare with a fully ripe Freestone peach? OMG!<slapping
head>
Jolanna
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>
>"Jolanna" <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote in message
>news:65qnd21bp2olng3dv...@4ax.com...
>>
Thanks for aome very good advice. I never thought of freezing the
extra fruit. Only I would use a bit of lemon juice instead of
sweetener. My tongue neutralizes the sweetness of it. Sonext time I
buy a bunch of fruit I will put most of it in the freezer in small
portions. And having to thaw it out will keep me from bingeing.
Jolanna
>
>> For a late supper I had a broiled, skinless, boneless chicken breast
>> and a caesar salad with NO croutons, plus half a cucumber. One hour PP
>> is 90. Thank God. I have got to portion the fruit out only a little
>> per day. And leave the pudding for my son.
>
>Fish is also good - maybe grilled Salmon or boiled shrimp?
My PCP wants me to eat more fish. I got some lemon-herb filets the
other day. And I had grilled salmon last week.
>
>>
>> So what can I chomp on mid-afternoon? Cucumbers? Fresh broccoli with
>> Caesar dressing for dip? What am I going to do with all that fruit? My
>> PCP told me to eat an apple a day. How much fruit can a T2 eat in a
>> day? My son won't eat it. And I love it. I shouldn't have bought so
>> much. If I have to dribble it out per day, it is going to spoil. Rats!
>
>I usually limit myself to one piece of fruit with lunch - which is usually
>two WASA Fibre wafers, margarine and cheese.
>
>I snack (when I snack) on walnuts and sunflower seeds. I have to keep
>reminding myself that if I snack much, I'm going to pay for it. Sticking
>to three meals, no snacks and maybe a little dry red wine or a martini
>before bed seems to work for me.
What are Wasa fiber wafers?
I like nuts, the salted kind. Fortunately I just had my electrolytes
tested and my sodium level is a bit low. So salted nuts sounds
perfect. But only if I put just a certain amount in a little bowl and
put the can away in a hard-to-get-to place! ;-)
Jolanna
<wba...@panix.com> wrote:
>ray <r...@zianet.com> wrote:
>
>
>I use fruit in my cottage cheese, small amounts of several fruits and
>plain yogurt breadfast and it works for me. Not only no spikes, but nice
>low bgs an hour or two later. I also use fruit , particularly at dinner
>as a sessert, but I generally don't eat any starches or other carby stuff
>in my main course. If I am low enough either in mid-afternoon or 2 hours
>after dinner (below 100) I MAY tak some fruit, either a small peach or
>apridot, 6-9 cherries (counted out-bag stays in fridge) half a peach or
>nectarine if it is large, egc. In the fall and winter, when the summer
>fruits are not available, I will eat 1/4-1/2 of an apple dependign on its
>size.
>
>Find a wy to encorporate limited amounts of fruits into your dieat without
>over-doing it.
>
>Wendy
Well, I don't care for yogurt or cottage cheese. But I have been
eating cheddar with my apple. I like Evelyn's advice to freeze the
fruit in small containers. That way it is portioned out and takes time
to thaw so I can't just grab something and stuff it in my mouth. This
method encourages self-control.
Jolanna
wrote:
>
>"Jolanna" <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote in message
>news:65qnd21bp2olng3dv...@4ax.com...
>
>>
>>
>Jolanna,
>
>No snacking at all works for some people. I'm not on insulin so I have to
>eat smaller meals to control my blood sugar. Having a planned snack in
>between each meal works best for me. I get too hungry if I wait until the
>next meal to eat, and end up grabbing whatever is most convent and eating
>more of it than I should - which usually turns out to be bad on the blood
>sugar. If you are going to eat between meals, I think it is best to plan
>your snack like you would any other meal - at a set time with a eye on
>portion and nutritional content. As far as what to have for a snack, you'll
>have to use your meter to tell you that. I try to keep my kitchen stocked
>with snacks that ok for me to have. I've also gone as far as to have a list
>of snack ideas hanging on my pantry door. Doing this keeps me from getting
>carried away and overeating.
>
>Best of luck
>Lynn
>GD, 20wks
>
I like that idea of planned snacks and the list hanging up. That way I
can plan the snack with the carbs in the other meals of the day.
Jolanna
wrote:
>Hi Nicky,
>
>I'll be eager to see Lynn's list too. However, I do have one snack
>that works pretty well for me: @ 2 cups of popcorn with a small
>portion of some kind of nuts sprinkled in. My 1 hour BG runs 120 with
>this one. Doesn't get completely away from the "seed rut", but dresses
>it up a bit. :-)
>
>Michelle T2
>diet & exercise
>
I had forgotten I have some popcorn. It gets in my teeth pretty bad so
I don't eat it much. Isn't it starchy, though? But i do love it.
Jolanna
wrote:
>the "free" foods are : cabbage, lettuce, tomato
>(only 1), cucumber, zucchini, marrow (like
>spaghetti squash or eggplant), cauliflower,
>celery, rhubarb, yellow or green beans, bean
>sprouts, spinach, greens (beet greens, swiss
>chard), radishes, red or green or orange peppers,
>broccoli, brussel sprouts, asparagus, mushrooms,
>parsley, onions (1/2 cup)
I am especially fond of bell peppers and brussels sprouts. And turnip
greens sauteed with lean bacon. Green onions with liver.
Jolanna
<vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>In article <65qnd21bp2olng3dv...@4ax.com>,
> Jolanna <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote:
>
>>
>
>For many folks, consumption of quick carbs will trigger a craving for
>more. Protein can hold off hunger longer, and fat can make you feel
>fuller quicker.
That is good to know.
>
>>
>
>Your meter can tell you how to pace your fruit consumption. Have you
>read Jennifer's advice? I recommend it:
>http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
>
>Priscilla: T2; diag. 1/03; diet, exercise, metformin; A1c 5.5; -44lbs
Yes, I just read it. I am going to have to do some serious
finger-sticking.
Michelle
Some people do seem to have trouble with popcorn because of the starch,
and I suppose I would if I ate it "free gratis". However, I put the
popcorn in a two cup bowl so I know how much I'm getting, then sprinkle
in the nuts--whatever I have on hand. I often buy the mixed nuts.
It's really pretty satisfying. Lots of crunching, takes time to eat,
etc. And fortunately, I come in at 120 at 1 hour. I expect it's
another one of the YMMV things. This one area where portion control
works for me. I have some things I can't eat at all like rice or wheat
products (where the portion control would making a serving so small as
to be ridiculous).
Michelle T2
diet & exercise
Julie Bove
"Jolanna" <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote in message
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>
> Okay, what is the exact recipe? :-)) Sounds yummy.
The original recipe is 1 cup dates (pitted), 1/2 cup nuts, 1/4 cup cocoa or
carob. This is a raw recipe so to make it be raw you'd have to ensure that
all ingredients are indeed raw. If you are not following a raw diet, it
wouldn't matter. Put them in the food processor and process until the
mixture is in little bits. You may need to add a few drops of water if it
is too dry. For brownies, you'll want it on the dry side. Press into a
very small springform pan or some kind of container. If you don't have a
springform pan, line your container with waxed paper, release foil, or
whatever you have so it won't stick. I happened to have some disposable
foil pans. I just use those and throw them away after I accidentally cut
into them. Heh! I also usually double or triple this recipe. If you add a
litte more water you'll have something more like fudge. For the fudge you
can also roll the mixture in balls.
I've been trying to increase the amount of coconut oil I eat. So I tried
adding some to this recipe. I used 2 T. for one recipe. It was good, but
seemed like it needed some actual coconut. So I added some shredded, dried,
unsweetened coconut and a sprinkle of vanilla powder. You could use
vanilla extract, but due to food allergies, I have to use the powdered kind.
I also added some water. And I added a lot more pecans because I wanted to
make it less carby. And a bit more cocoa because I felt it needed it. I
don't have exact proportions here because I just did everything by taste or
feel. But really this is one recipe that seems like you can't screw it up!
The first time I made it, I didn't add any water and it was crumbly. But
still delicious. We ate it with forks. Now I seem to prefer it with the
coconut and coconut oil in it. And it keeps for a long time with the
addition of the coconut oil.
> I can't eat blueberries. For some reason they now taste like benzine!
Not sure I want to know what benzine tastes like. But I've never liked
blueberries!
> That sounds good. Nut cheese? Is that a ball or roll of cheese covered
> with nots or something else?
It's actually cheese made from nuts. I have dairy allergies. Again, these
are raw recipes. For the Swiss variety you need 1 cup cashews, 2 T.
nutritional yeast, 1 T. lemon juice and 1/2 water. Put in food processor
till smooth then spread out 1/8" thick on fruit leather sheet on top of mesh
sheet and put in dehydrator at 105 degress for 7 to 10 hours, flipping over
at about the 5-6 hour mark. Cut or break in pieces and store in
refrigerator.
I've been eating this on sandwiches made of onion bread (recipe posted on
the diabetic food newsgroup) with lettuce and tomato. They are soooooo
good! The bread is low in carbs because it's mainly onion, flax and
sunflower seeds. I made softer like bread, but you can also do it crisp
like crackers.
The other nut cheese I've tried that has worked is Nacho. Use 2 cups
macadamia nuts, 1 1/2 cups red bell pepper, 1 orange (peeled and sectioned),
4 cloves garlic, juice of 1 lemon, Celtic Sea Salt to taste. If you like
spicy cheese, add hot peppers to taste.
Process and dehydrate the same as you would the Swiss. Now my dehydrating
got fouled up my my daughter who came flying into the kitchen, sticking
fingers in the cheese to taste it. At this point, the cheese was not quite
ready to be flipped. But since she had messed it up, I just sort of scraped
it up as best I could, turned it over and dehyrated it some more so it
wasn't as runny. The end result was more like a thick cheese spread.
Excellent for packing into ribs of celery or chunks of bell pepper. This is
what I've been doing with it. But the next time I make it, I will eat it
straight from the processor rather than dehydrating it. It makes a yummy
dip as well!
I know one person who makes this as a dip using cashews rather than
macadamias (they're soooo expensive here!) and also varies the peppers,
using yellow or orange instead of the red ones. She said it's still very
good.
If you don't have dairy allergies, then you might not have a need for nut
cheeses. But since my daughter and I are both allergic to dairy, I've been
experimenting, trying to find other sources of protein for us. These two
recipes are winners. I've seen other nut cheese recipes but have yet to try
them.
> I think for the fiber. She told me that the day i was Dx'd and i was
> so sick with high BG and still getting over acute bronchitis and being
> put on O2 and all the new meds and the stress of it all that i don't
> remember much about that time. But I do remember she said not too much
> fruit. But, of course, how was I to know how much is too much?
I suppose you'll know it's too much if you go flying into the bathroom
suddenly, or your BG is too high. My diet is heavy in fiber. I eat a lot
of dried beans and also vegetables. Apples are high in pectin and that is
purported to help keep you full. That's why I wondered. If it is fiber
than you need, try adding flax to your diet. Either buy flax meal or buy
the seeds. If you use the seeds they must either be soaked briefly until a
sort of jelly-like stuff comes out of them, or ground up. You can use a
coffee grinder or a Magic Bullet if you have one. Both the seeds and the
meal need to be refrigerated. I used to sprinkle it on buttered toast. But
that was before learning of the food allergies. These days I use it as an
egg substitute (daughter and I are also allergic to eggs) in many baked
goods. A mix of flax meal and water makes a good egg substitutive in
anything with a hearty or nutty texture to it. You could also sprinkle it
on cottage cheese, yogurt, salad, or whatever you normally eat. And of
course there are the dried beans. One of the highest and cheapest sources
of fiber!
--
See my webpage:
http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm
Julie Bove
"Jolanna" <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote in message
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<snip>
> What are Wasa fiber wafers?
<snip>
They're sold on the aisle with the crackers and oddly for some reason
usually placed on the lowest shelf where you wouldn't see them unless you
were really looking for them. I haven't bought any in a while but they
used to be sold wrapped in paper. Sort of like a white paper rectangle with
a label on it.
Nicky
"Michelle" <bookb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Nicky,
>
> I'll be eager to see Lynn's list too. However, I do have one snack
> that works pretty well for me: @ 2 cups of popcorn with a small
> portion of some kind of nuts sprinkled in. My 1 hour BG runs 120 with
> this one. Doesn't get completely away from the "seed rut", but dresses
> it up a bit. :-)
Sounds good. I haven't tried popcorn for ages - think I'll "allow" my
youngest to pop me some in her air popper : )
Nicky.
Evelyn Ruut
Jolanna, I think portion control is the most difficult thing for me to do,
so I have to use little tricks of various kinds like that. Fortunately I
have a big freezer. Between the big freezer and my warehouse club
membership, we manage to really make the best of them both!
Priscilla Ballou
Jolanna <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote:
> I had forgotten I have some popcorn. It gets in my teeth pretty bad so
> I don't eat it much. Isn't it starchy, though? But i do love it.
Two words: portion control. :-)
Priscilla
Lynn
"Michelle" <bookb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I am hesitant to post my snack list, as my diabetes is mild and I need a
couple hundred extra calories while pregnant. So at the risk of someone
blasting me, here it is:
Apple with cheese
Banana with peanut butter
Cheese and 4 crackers (whole wheat if possible)
1/2 c fresh pineapple
Popcorn (2 to 3 cups)
Sugar-free Jell-O pudding cup
No sugar added fudgesickle
Raw veggies with dip
Mashed avocadoes with salsa, lemon juice and garlic salt with a few corn
tortillas
Kashi granola bar (my favorite - it has a good bit of fiber and protein)
Cottage cheese (I like it plain)
2 squares of dark chocolate
Almonds and macadamia nuts
8 Animal crackers
4 vanilla wafers with peanut butter
Mini whole wheat bagel with strawberry cream cheese
1c 2% milk with low carb protein powder
Sliced cheese and sandwich meat rolled up
Please don't try to eat these things without having an idea of how many
carbs your body can handle, and be careful of the portion size.
I fix my snack like I would any other meal - I put what I can eat on a plate
and put the rest up. If at all possible, I try to buy things that are in
single serving sizes - like a chocolate popsicle rather than a quart of
icecream, individually wrapped chocolate squares rather than a bar. I also
don't buy things that I am tempted to have "just one more". Most times my
little boy wants a few bites of whatever I'm eating, so I sometimes get a
little more or less. ;-) If I'm in doubt about how much or what I just
ate, I test and exercise.
Dividing my food out into meals and snacks wards of the uncontrollable
munchies and bad choices.
Lynn
GD, 21wks
W.M.McKee
wrote:
>
>Please don't try to eat these things without having an idea of how many
>carbs your body can handle, and be careful of the portion size.
>
Hi Lynn,
Interesting list.. Your warning sounds a bit like the "don't try this
at home folks".... ;-) Just kidding...
The power of suggestion being what it is, I think a couple of squares
of dark chocolate 70% Lindt sounds like just the thing right now!
BRB...
Will, T2
Nicky
> Dividing my food out into meals and snacks wards of the uncontrollable
> munchies and bad choices.
Thanks, Lynn - I like the list! I think I especially like the idea of the
list, saving that fridge-door-open-what shall-I-choose moment...
Nicky.
Lynn
"W.M.McKee" <wmm...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Hehe... some people seem take great offense at the opinion or lifestyle of
others. Just wanted to make sure my disclaimer was clear.
Hey! Don't eat that now! It will ruin your lunch! ;-)
Lynn
Michelle
Actually, I think your list is quite usable--we'll just have to adjust
the portions to fit our own diet. I tend to get stuck in a rut because
I "know" which food combos are okay for me, so I choose things that I
don't have to test every time eat them. Tends to cut down on my
creativity though. ;-)
Michelle T2
diet & exercise
Gantlet
"Jolanna" <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote in message
> I live way out in the country and my income comes once a month. So I
> do most of my grocery shopping once a month. 45 miles to the city. But
> I did buy too much ripe fruit.
>
> I will ask for a referrel to a nutritionist soon.
>
> --
>
> Jolanna
frozen berries are easy to keep and work great blended with other goodies.
i sometimes make my own liquid meals when i dont feel like eating.
for me i would aim for about 45 carbs -
for me the mixture would be
15 carbs from frozen berries or other fruit.
15 carbs from skim milk
15 carbs whole grains.
6 almonds for the fat.
scoop of flavored whey protien.
the whey is flavored so i can use water instead of the milk sometimes.
or change it a bit and replace the carbs from the milk with a veggie.
6 baby carrots works good for a sub and you cant really taste them.
Tom
Jennifer
Gantlet wrote:
> frozen berries are easy to keep and work great blended with other goodies.
> i sometimes make my own liquid meals when i dont feel like eating.
> for me i would aim for about 45 carbs -
>
> for me the mixture would be
> 15 carbs from frozen berries or other fruit.
> 15 carbs from skim milk
> 15 carbs whole grains.
> 6 almonds for the fat.
> scoop of flavored whey protien.
>
> the whey is flavored so i can use water instead of the milk sometimes.
> or change it a bit and replace the carbs from the milk with a veggie.
> 6 baby carrots works good for a sub and you cant really taste them.
>
> Tom
Freezing fresh berries is great.
The best way to freeze fresh berries is to put them in a single layer on
a cookie sheet and freeze them hard. (that way they don't clump) and
then you can put them in freezer bags or vacuum seal bags (I love those).
They make a great quick faux sorbet if you just take the frozen berries
and whirr them in your blender or food processor... with or without AS.
Jennifer
Jolanna
wrote:
>
>
>
>"Jolanna" <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote in message
>news:smgqd2lkhrrepeavq...@4ax.com...
>
>
>>
>> Okay, what is the exact recipe? :-)) Sounds yummy.
>
>The original recipe is <snip>
Thanks. It sounds good. I also have a lot of tin pie pans. And the nut
cheese sounds intriguing. But I will have to think about that. I an
eat cheese, although the only kind I like is cheddar.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I think for the fiber. She told me that the day i was Dx'd and i was
>> so sick with high BG and still getting over acute bronchitis and being
>> put on O2 and all the new meds and the stress of it all that i don't
>> remember much about that time. But I do remember she said not too much
>> fruit. But, of course, how was I to know how much is too much?
>
>I suppose you'll know it's too much if you go flying into the bathroom
>suddenly, or your BG is too high. My diet is heavy in fiber. I eat a lot
>of dried beans and also vegetables. Apples are high in pectin and that is
>purported to help keep you full. That's why I wondered. If it is fiber
>than you need, try adding flax to your diet.
I just assumed it was because of fiber. But lots of other things have
fiber. What you said just now about pectin making you full gives me
food for thought. Until this week I nearly always had an apple and
cheese for lunch. And i did not get the hungries. So maybe it was this
"fullness" attribute of apples that she wanted me to have. And i do
get enough fiber with beans and whole grains and yams...
When I binged on fruit I also had a pudding. I think that is what did
me in. Slow carbs plus fast carbs. Not a good thing. And the
tacquitoes for lunch. I think I will save them for an evening meal
with a large salad from now on and go back to eating my apple and
cheese for lunch. It seemed to be working for 2 1/2 months.
I have received a lot of good support and advice over this problem. I
have learned about portion control and how to preserve too many ripe
fruit purchases. And also some good recipes! :-) THANKS!!
BlueBrooke
<jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote:
> A few days ago I bought a month's groceries, including a lot of fruit.
> Today I noticed the apricots were looking over ripe so I decided I had
> better eat them for lunch with my tacquitos. The tacquitoes have
> enough carbs in the corn tortilla that I shouldn't have done that. but
> the fruit sure was good.
>
> A couple hours later I wanted a snack. I looked in the fridge and
> spied some pudding in little snack cups. It has been months since I
> had pudding, so I ate one. After awhile I was hungry again so I ate a
> couple of very small wrinkled peaches. They were delicious. Awhile
> after that I suddenly remembered the cherries. I got the whole bag out
> and set it on my desk while I was reading. My elbow sure was bending
> between the bag and my mouth!
>
> All of a sudden, it was like I woke up and asked myself, what am I
> doing!! I had to force myself to put the bag away. Then I decided
> maybe I better test my bg. It was 230!! And the cherries hadn't really
> had time to hit the bloodstream. I decided right then and there that I
> had better ask my PCP for a referrel to a nutritionist. I need help
> controlling the "hungries"!!
>
> For a late supper I had a broiled, skinless, boneless chicken breast
> and a caesar salad with NO croutons, plus half a cucumber. One hour PP
> is 90. Thank God. I have got to portion the fruit out only a little
> per day. And leave the pudding for my son.
>
> So what can I chomp on mid-afternoon? Cucumbers? Fresh broccoli with
> Caesar dressing for dip? What am I going to do with all that fruit? My
> PCP told me to eat an apple a day. How much fruit can a T2 eat in a
> day? My son won't eat it. And I love it. I shouldn't have bought so
> much. If I have to dribble it out per day, it is going to spoil. Rats!
>
> --
>
> Jolanna
> DM TYPE II
> Dx May 31, 2006
> Lantus
> Metformin
> Avandia
Hi, Jolanna --
As a fellow "bad girl" I just wanted to say "Hi" and I feel your pain. I
had a similar "indiscretion" last weekend and I'm still paying for it --
and kicking myself in the butt because I know better.
I love ripe, juicy fruit in the summertime, and my son does, too, so we
always have a lot of it here at the house -- in the fridge and in a big
bowl on the table. Sometimes it really takes a lot of brain work to
remember not to just grab something as I walk by, and I'm not always
successful at it. It's such a long drive to the store, I only do my
shopping once a week or once every two weeks, but if The Kid doesn't eat
it, the horses will. But I know how you feel about waste -- it just
drives you crazy, doesn't it? :-)
You've already gotten the advice that keeping your carbs down will help
curb your appetite and it does work. That's been my problem this week --
I screwed up on Sunday and it's been a mess ever since with the munchie
munchie munchies.
All you can do now is fall back and re-group. You know what to do, it's
just getting it done. You'll get it all figured out and everything will
fall into place, and you'll feel so much better. There's a lot of great
people here to help you get a handle on it.
Brightest Blessings!
Blue
T2/June 2005/D&E
And wishing there was a pill for won't power ;-)
BlueBrooke
Hi Lynn --
Thank you for the list. These are some great ideas -- I'm a "grazer" and
this will help keep me out of trouble. :-)
Blue
T2/June 2006
Roger Zoul
:: In article <5riqd2h99kg3snrrt...@4ax.com>,
And if you can't do portion control, don't eat it.
Priscilla Ballou
BlueBrooke <bluenosp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sugar-free Jell-O pudding cup
I was making my own by cooking up a packet of SF pudding and putting it
in little plastic containers until I saw the prepackaged cups in the
refrigerated aisle. They're handy but MUCH more expensive than doing it
yourself. I often also have a canister of whipped cream in the fridge
so I can put a dollop on top. Makes for a very luxuriant snack/dessert!
> > 2 squares of dark chocolate
I keep some bars of quite dark very good chocolate at work. A square or
two in the afternoon when I'm puzzling over an elusive bug can work
wonders for my disposition.
> > Almonds and macadamia nuts
Trader Joe's has some nice nut/seed mixtures. For a while I kept a jar
on my desk where I could get a small handful easily. The one I liked
was heavy on almonds, sunflower seeds and pumpkin seeds, with a few
dried cranberries and raisins for highlight.
I got myself a little fridge for my cube at work, and I like to keep a
plastic container of black olives in it. A dozen or so of those babies
makes a very nice snack in the afternoon.
Priscilla
Jolanna
Yeah, sometimes it is easier to do without than be limited to one
teensy bit. Imagine taking only one tiny bite of Godiva dark belgian
chocolate ice cream! It can't be done. So I do without.
Jolanna
<bluenosp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:38:43 -0500, Jolanna
><jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote:
>
>>
>As a fellow "bad girl" I just wanted to say "Hi" and I feel your pain. I
>had a similar "indiscretion" last weekend and I'm still paying for it --
>and kicking myself in the butt because I know better.
Well, if you can fall off the wagon after a year, then i guess i am
allowed. ;-)
>
>I love ripe, juicy fruit in the summertime,
Oh, yes! Ripened on the tree instead of in a box.
> and my son does, too, so we
>always have a lot of it here at the house -- in the fridge and in a big
>bowl on the table. Sometimes it really takes a lot of brain work to
>remember not to just grab something as I walk by, and I'm not always
>successful at it. It's such a long drive to the store, I only do my
>shopping once a week or once every two weeks, but if The Kid doesn't eat
>it, the horses will. But I know how you feel about waste -- it just
>drives you crazy, doesn't it? :-)
I have 60 years of conditioning telling me not to waste food. And many
times through the years food was hard to come by. I appreciate every
bite I get. :-)
>
>You've already gotten the advice that keeping your carbs down will help
>curb your appetite and it does work. That's been my problem this week --
>I screwed up on Sunday and it's been a mess ever since with the munchie
>munchie munchies.
It's those complex carbs that get me hungry for more. straight sugar
doesn't make me hungry.
>
>All you can do now is fall back and re-group. You know what to do, it's
>just getting it done. You'll get it all figured out and everything will
>fall into place, and you'll feel so much better. There's a lot of great
>people here to help you get a handle on it.
I was doing pretty good the first couple months. Then it all went to
hell. I guess I am missing all my old friendly foods. I have spent
most of my life enjoying macaroni and cheese. So I am grateful I
didn't fall off the wagon with that BG rocket!
>
>Brightest Blessings!
>Blue
>T2/June 2005/D&E
>And wishing there was a pill for won't power ;-)
I would like some of those "won't power" pills myself!
Cheri
bananas, and it used to really bother me to leave them alone. I keep
them in the house for my hubby, and now I really don't even notice them
when I walk past. There are some things that I can't keep around though,
so I don't. :-)
Cheri
Jolanna wrote in message <99nvd216dlqov2d27...@4ax.com>...
>I would like some of those "won't power" pills myself!
>Jolanna
BlueBrooke
<jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:12:13 -0500, BlueBrooke
> <bluenosp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:38:43 -0500, Jolanna
>> <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>> As a fellow "bad girl" I just wanted to say "Hi" and I feel your pain.
>> I
>> had a similar "indiscretion" last weekend and I'm still paying for it --
>> and kicking myself in the butt because I know better.
>
> Well, if you can fall off the wagon after a year, then i guess i am
> allowed. ;-)
Oh, Lordy! That's not the first time -- it was just my first public
confession -- LOL! Trust me -- this has not been an easy year will-power
wise. ;-)
>> I love ripe, juicy fruit in the summertime,
>
> Oh, yes! Ripened on the tree instead of in a box.
*slobber*
>> and my son does, too, so we
>> always have a lot of it here at the house -- in the fridge and in a big
>> bowl on the table. Sometimes it really takes a lot of brain work to
>> remember not to just grab something as I walk by, and I'm not always
>> successful at it. It's such a long drive to the store, I only do my
>> shopping once a week or once every two weeks, but if The Kid doesn't eat
>> it, the horses will. But I know how you feel about waste -- it just
>> drives you crazy, doesn't it? :-)
>
> I have 60 years of conditioning telling me not to waste food. And many
> times through the years food was hard to come by. I appreciate every
> bite I get. :-)
It is hard to overcome that conditioning. It seems there is so much to
"undo," doesn't it? I'm a "clean up your plate" girl and I still haven't
conquered that one. My gigantic butt proves that I've never had to go
without, but I'm just, basically, cheap. I have to watch every penny so I
can stay at home. :-)
>> You've already gotten the advice that keeping your carbs down will help
>> curb your appetite and it does work. That's been my problem this week
>> --
>> I screwed up on Sunday and it's been a mess ever since with the munchie
>> munchie munchies.
>
> It's those complex carbs that get me hungry for more. straight sugar
> doesn't make me hungry.
Yup -- they definitely get me going. The sugar? I don't know -- candy
and the like make me so darn sick, I guess I don't feel like eating
anyway. Until the next day . . . grrrrr
>> All you can do now is fall back and re-group. You know what to do, it's
>> just getting it done. You'll get it all figured out and everything will
>> fall into place, and you'll feel so much better. There's a lot of great
>> people here to help you get a handle on it.
>
> I was doing pretty good the first couple months. Then it all went to
> hell. I guess I am missing all my old friendly foods. I have spent
> most of my life enjoying macaroni and cheese. So I am grateful I
> didn't fall off the wagon with that BG rocket!
Ups and downs, good days and bad. If we were all perfect, this group
wouldn't be here. ;-)
I haven't tested Mac 'N' Cheese, and I'm not going to. I can eat the
whole thing -- don't want to waste it ;-) -- so I just don't even go there.
I know what you mean about the macaroni and cheese. And I don't even
crave the "good stuff." When I was younger (*much* younger) I lived in a
little studio that had a hot plate, but no fridge. I practically lived
off the stuff in the blue box and made it only with water and margarine --
no milk. Learned to love it! LOL! Needless to say, my family did *not*
like my recipe, and they aren't unhappy at all that it isn't on the menu.
>> And wishing there was a pill for won't power ;-)
>
> I would like some of those "won't power" pills myself!
When I find someone who's dealin' those, I'll give you a holler. ;-)
Brightest Blessings!
Blue
T2/June 2006
And wishing the battery on my scale wasn't working this morning. :-(
Priscilla H. Ballou
Jolanna <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote:
> Yeah, sometimes it is easier to do without than be limited to one
> teensy bit. Imagine taking only one tiny bite of Godiva dark belgian
> chocolate ice cream! It can't be done. So I do without.
I'll make a note to never put that on my shopping list!
Priscilla
Jolanna
Me, too! I haven't had any for maybe two years; but I still remember
how it slid past my taste buds with great pleasure. I ended up eating
the whole tub=four servings at 1000 calories per serving! That stuff
is just plain sinful!
Jolanna
<bluenosp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> Well, if you can fall off the wagon after a year, then i guess i am
>> allowed. ;-)
>
>Oh, Lordy! That's not the first time -- it was just my first public
>confession -- LOL! Trust me -- this has not been an easy year will-power
>wise. ;-)
I know the feeling <groaning>
>
>>> I love ripe, juicy fruit in the summertime,
>>
>> Oh, yes! Ripened on the tree instead of in a box.
>
>*slobber*
Oh, an i getting your taste buds in an uproar? ;-) I am drooling as I
write.
>
>>> and my son does, too, so we
>>> always have a lot of it here at the house -- in the fridge and in a big
>>> bowl on the table. Sometimes it really takes a lot of brain work to
>>> remember not to just grab something as I walk by, and I'm not always
>>> successful at it. It's such a long drive to the store, I only do my
>>> shopping once a week or once every two weeks, but if The Kid doesn't eat
>>> it, the horses will. But I know how you feel about waste -- it just
>>> drives you crazy, doesn't it? :-)
>>
>> I have 60 years of conditioning telling me not to waste food. And many
>> times through the years food was hard to come by. I appreciate every
>> bite I get. :-)
>
>It is hard to overcome that conditioning. It seems there is so much to
>"undo," doesn't it? I'm a "clean up your plate" girl and I still haven't
>conquered that one. My gigantic butt proves that I've never had to go
>without, but I'm just, basically, cheap. I have to watch every penny so I
>can stay at home. :-)
I, also was taught to clean my plate, with or without dessert.
Childhood conditioning is rooted deeply. I watch my pennies, too. And
save all the leftovers to eat tomorrow.
>
>>> You've already gotten the advice that keeping your carbs down will help
>>> curb your appetite and it does work. That's been my problem this week
>>> --
>>> I screwed up on Sunday and it's been a mess ever since with the munchie
>>> munchie munchies.
>>
>> It's those complex carbs that get me hungry for more. straight sugar
>> doesn't make me hungry.
>
>Yup -- they definitely get me going. The sugar? I don't know -- candy
>and the like make me so darn sick, I guess I don't feel like eating
>anyway. Until the next day . . . grrrrr
The only candy I like is chocolate; preferably dark choc. And
semi-sweet. But I have sugar in my coffee and tea.
>
>>> All you can do now is fall back and re-group. You know what to do, it's
>>> just getting it done. You'll get it all figured out and everything will
>>> fall into place, and you'll feel so much better. There's a lot of great
>>> people here to help you get a handle on it.
>>
>> I was doing pretty good the first couple months. Then it all went to
>> hell. I guess I am missing all my old friendly foods. I have spent
>> most of my life enjoying macaroni and cheese. So I am grateful I
>> didn't fall off the wagon with that BG rocket!
>
>Ups and downs, good days and bad. If we were all perfect, this group
>wouldn't be here. ;-)
We got into this mess cause we enjoy food. That enjoyment doesn't stop
just cause we can no longer eat like we used to. But it is different
for everyone. And that is a blessing. I am so glad I can still have
sugar in my coffee which I enjoy so much. But so many people can't.
>
>I haven't tested Mac 'N' Cheese, and I'm not going to. I can eat the
>whole thing -- don't want to waste it ;-) -- so I just don't even go there.
Same here. My son's diet has also changed greatly because I am not
going to cook two separate meals. And I won't allow him to eat
chili-mac in front of me. That would be cruel. I will fix him tater
tots or a white baked potato while I have a baked yam.
>
>
>>> And wishing there was a pill for won't power ;-)
>>
>> I would like some of those "won't power" pills myself!
>
>When I find someone who's dealin' those, I'll give you a holler. ;-)
>
>Brightest Blessings!
>Blue
>T2/June 2006
>And wishing the battery on my scale wasn't working this morning. :-(
I am sure there are others who would like that "won't power" pill,
too. Stand in line! I am first! ;-)
Cheri
yourself? I'm curious.
--
Cheri
Jolanna wrote in message ...
Loretta Eisenberg
lower that, give up one of the crackers.
Loretta
--
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of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
terrorism.
Jolanna
wrote:
>Why would you give him a white potato while having a baked yam for
>yourself? I'm curious.
Cause I'm dumb? I thought white taters were bad for DM and yams were
good. But I have just been looking at some of my numbers and I have
some low ones with taters and some high ones with yams. and vice
versa. And yet mashed taters and gravy sends me through the roof. so
that would be the gravy mostly, instead of the combo? So maybe I can
eat white taters after all?
Jolanna
Eisenberg) wrote:
>Jolanna, 119 at two hours is not considered a spike, If you want to
>lower that, give up one of the crackers.
>
>Loretta
I have been using the word incorrectly, now that i think about it.
Cheri
spike me, and I was wondering if white potatoes spiked you, but yams
didn't. We are all very different, and some can eat yams and white
potatoes with portion control without spiking. I do recall that some
said that the little red potatoes can be kind to your numbers, so
perhaps they would work for you. :-)
--
Cheri
Jolanna wrote in message ...
>
W. Baker
: No, absolutely not dumb. I was just curious, since both of them would
: --
: Cheri
Good advice, Cheri, I am one of those who can eat 2 or the little red new
potatoes without a problem as long as I don't have other carbs with the
meal.
why not serve yams to both you and your son if they work for you? You can
give him his mashed and gravy on a night you eat no starchy stuff with
your main course.
Wendy
Priscilla H. Ballou
Jolanna <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote:
> We got into this mess cause we enjoy food.
Well, no. We received the genes that gave us this disease. Diabetes is
not a punishment for bad behavior. The worst we did was pick the wrong
grandparents.
Priscilla
Priscilla H. Ballou
"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:
> No, absolutely not dumb. I was just curious, since both of them would
> spike me, and I was wondering if white potatoes spiked you, but yams
> didn't. We are all very different, and some can eat yams and white
> potatoes with portion control without spiking. I do recall that some
> said that the little red potatoes can be kind to your numbers, so
> perhaps they would work for you. :-)
Thanks for reminding me! I have to put little red potatoes on my
shopping list. I can eat them within limits, and that makes me very
happy, because I do love a tasty bite of potato.
Priscilla
rk
"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-BC4341...@individual.net...
: In article <c8h4e2tga7up1vn1l...@4ax.com>,
all genes need a trigger to activate.
Jolanna
My son won't eat yams. I did look on the glycemic index and yams rate
much better than white potatoes. And yams have a lot of fiber, which
is a plus. So I will stick with yams. But I might eat a small white or
red potato once in awhile. Depending on other carbs in a meall.
Jolanna
wrote:
Uh, huh. There is no diabetes in my ancestry that I ever heard of. Not
even among my 6 siblings and theri decendants. My own love of
carb-high food and bad eating habits put me here. Maybe there is a
predisposition in my ancestry that no one else gave in to, until I
came along with my weak will power. Dunno.
Alice Faber
Jolanna <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote:
Or maybe ancestors of yours *would* have been diagnosed with diabetes by
current standards. Or, perhaps they died of other causes before they
could develop diabetes. Or maybe you have a better, more pro-active
doctor.
Whatever. Don't beat yourself up about what you might have been able to
do differently.
--
AF
"Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
--artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball
Cheri
--
Cheri
Alice Faber wrote in message ...
BlueBrooke
I don't think there's anything wrong with accepting one's own
responsibility in this disease -- if one chooses to do so. I got fat and
lazy and didn't take care of myself and here I am. I'd like to think I
would have done things differently, but who knows? I don't, at this point
-- and since I was a Type A control-freak who thought I could handle
anything (and still do), the odds are pretty good I would have
"poo-poo'ed" the idea that I would get something like diabetes (especially
since no one *I* knew had it). And with all the mixed messages the past
30 years, who knew what to believe? Eggs are good, then eggs are bad,
then eggs are good again -- and so on and so on and so on. Despite all my
"hard living," apparently my heart, etc., etc., are healthy as they come,
so they don't want me in any of those sat fat studies, then or now.
I've been doing a lot of family history research the past year and a half
and have found some of my family did have diabetes (T2). But they were
also fat and lived well into their 80's.
I don't "beat myself up" -- but I make damn sure my son knows what's going
on. No one in my family ever said, "Your great-great-great grandma had
diabetes and it killed her" -- not to me anyway.
My son, however, will know that I have it, what it is and what can happen
-- and he will also know what *I* think caused it. He is then armed with
the information he needs to make important choices for himself.
I know there are people who say it's the other way around -- you get fat
*because* you have diabetes. Perhaps that is so -- no one really knows.
I only know what I believe, and what my personal experience is.
Blue
T2/D&E/June 2006
Ma¢k
in your case RK and in mine, what we ate had zero to with that
trigger.
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Jolanna
wrote:
>In article <aik7e2hd7m6msi55r...@4ax.com>,
> Jolanna <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:27:22 GMT, "rk" <p_haha...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> >news:vze23t8n-BC4341...@individual.net...
>> >: In article <c8h4e2tga7up1vn1l...@4ax.com>,
>> >: Jolanna <jol...@drop.me.fairpoint.net> wrote:
>> >:
>
>Or maybe ancestors of yours *would* have been diagnosed with diabetes by
>current standards. Or, perhaps they died of other causes before they
>could develop diabetes. Or maybe you have a better, more pro-active
>doctor.
>
>Whatever. Don't beat yourself up about what you might have been able to
>do differently.
The points you outlined are all very possible. But then, back in the
old days, even when I was a child, we ate differently than now. We
lived mostly on vegetables and cornbread. If we were lucky to have
pancakes they were covered with molasses. Chicken was cooked on
Sunday. During the week we got a bit of salt pork to cook in the beans
and blackeyed peas. Dessert was a luxury for special times. And there
were no sedentary lifestyles for anyone. There was always a lot of
work to do. Everyone was pretty healthy. Granny had "black salve" for
injuries and castor oil for internal problems. It was amazing what
that cured! The doctor was for the last resort after everything else
failed.
So if my family had any predisposition for DM, thier lifestyle
defeated it.
But I am not beating myself up. I was just stating facts. But that is
history, now. What's done is over. I am now diabetic and I have
learned the consequences of uncontrolled pigging out. At my age I am
more concerned about enjoying a LONG, fairly healthy old age rather
than a few moments enjoyment pigging out.