Re: Clogged Arteries with Atkins?
Roger Zoul
Look at all the people who never did atkins and had the same thing happen.
That blockage in her artery likely took years to build up. You can't undo
years of bad lifestyle choices overnight.
The reason Atkins is voodoo nutrition to you is because you're stupid.
JJ Jones wrote:
:: I haven't seen much to commend the Atkins diet. There are the usual
:: girls in the office. At first they lose weight, then later they
:: invariably blow up like ballons. We have probably all witnessed this
:: astonishing phenomenon.
::
:: There was only one person I knew personally who was able to 'keep the
:: weight off" with Atkins. She lost a lot of weight, and kept it off
:: for about 2 years. She looked very nice. She might have had
:: Diabetes, I don't know.
::
:: Then they discovered that she had a 95% blockage in her carotid
:: artery. Before (or during) the bypass surgery, she had a stroke, and
:: lost the use of her left arm.
::
:: So excuse me for being skeptical, and excuse me for not eating egg
:: yolks, but personally, you can take that Atkins diet and stick it in
:: a place where the sun doesn't shine.
::
:: Atkins relies on some dubious magic trick where you stuff your face
:: with meat, fat and cholesterol, but it all magically disappears just
:: so long as you don't eat any dreaded carbohydrates. To paraphase
:: Bush Senior, it sounds like "Voodoo Nutrition" to me.
Roger Zoul
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: You're such an incredible dumbass....
:::
::: The reason Atkins is voodoo nutrition to you is because you're
::: stupid.
::
:: Thanks for the explanation, Rog. That really clarifies things and
:: eases my concerns.
Oh, did you have any concerns? Your mind is made up, so why worry about it,
dumbass?
Roger Zoul
:: x-no-archive: yes
::
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: You're such an incredible dumbass....
:::
::: Look at all the people who never did atkins and had the same thing
::: happen.
:::
::: That blockage in her artery likely took years to build up. You
::: can't undo years of bad lifestyle choices overnight.
:: Roger, I think we're being trolled. And it's decades, not years.
:: ;-)
::
Oh, yes, but I'd rather be mean to a troll than to Kurt! :)
"Decades" is more impressive than "years" until you compare 3 decades to 30
years. :)
James DeMoss
they were on that diet. When carbs are reduced the lipid #'s and
triglycerides if it is followed to the letter. The diet that PRECEDED the
Atkins (read low carb) probably should be examined.
BTW, have your friend visit here and lurk and learn.
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Julie Bove
"JJ Jones" <jamesjona...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I haven't seen much to commend the Atkins diet. There are the usual
> girls in the office. At first they lose weight, then later they
> invariably blow up like ballons. We have probably all witnessed this
> astonishing phenomenon.
>
> There was only one person I knew personally who was able to 'keep the
> weight off" with Atkins. She lost a lot of weight, and kept it off for
> about 2 years. She looked very nice. She might have had Diabetes, I
> don't know.
>
> Then they discovered that she had a 95% blockage in her carotid artery.
> Before (or during) the bypass surgery, she had a stroke, and lost the
> use of her left arm.
>
> So excuse me for being skeptical, and excuse me for not eating egg
> yolks, but personally, you can take that Atkins diet and stick it in a
> place where the sun doesn't shine.
>
> Atkins relies on some dubious magic trick where you stuff your face
> with meat, fat and cholesterol, but it all magically disappears just so
> long as you don't eat any dreaded carbohydrates. To paraphase Bush
> Senior, it sounds like "Voodoo Nutrition" to me.
If you're going to reply to someone you need to quote at least a little bit
of what and who you are replying to or nobody can figure it out. If this
reply was to me, I don't do Atkins. In fact I don't think (but I could be
wrong) any of the people you replied to are doing Atkins.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> I haven't seen much to commend the Atkins diet. There are the usual
> girls in the office. At first they lose weight, then later they
> invariably blow up like ballons. We have probably all witnessed this
> astonishing phenomenon.
Yes.
> There was only one person I knew personally who was able to 'keep the
> weight off" with Atkins. She lost a lot of weight, and kept it off for
> about 2 years. She looked very nice. She might have had Diabetes, I
> don't know.
>
> Then they discovered that she had a 95% blockage in her carotid artery.
> Before (or during) the bypass surgery, she had a stroke, and lost the
> use of her left arm.
The hyperketonemia that arises from low-carbing has been shown to
accelerate the lipid peroxidation that leads to atherosclerosis.
> So excuse me for being skeptical, and excuse me for not eating egg
> yolks, but personally, you can take that Atkins diet and stick it in a
> place where the sun doesn't shine.
It is written that we should pray to our heavenly Father for daily
bread. This is one reason why.
> Atkins relies on some dubious magic trick where you stuff your face
> with meat, fat and cholesterol, but it all magically disappears just so
> long as you don't eat any dreaded carbohydrates.
Hyperketonemia suppresses appetite. There is no magic in this. Simply
spritz what you are eating with acetone (fingernail polish remover) to
add the ketones and replicate their effect.
> To paraphase Bush Senior, it sounds like "Voodoo Nutrition" to me.
It is wiser to reduce ones food intake down to the optimal amount (one
omer per day) to become hungrier and lose the visceral adiposity.
Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal
(Rev. 6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this
thread here during the next on-line chat(04/20/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST,
LORD willing:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/zlaml
Kurt
Roger Zoul wrote:
> Susan wrote:
> :: x-no-archive: yes
> ::
> :: Roger Zoul wrote:
> ::: You're such an incredible dumbass....
> :::
> ::: Look at all the people who never did atkins and had the same thing
> ::: happen.
> :::
> ::: That blockage in her artery likely took years to build up. You
> ::: can't undo years of bad lifestyle choices overnight.
> ::
> :: Roger, I think we're being trolled. And it's decades, not years.
> :: ;-)
> ::
>
> Oh, yes, but I'd rather be mean to a troll than to Kurt! :)
(getting all weepy) That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said about
me in here. Thanks. :)
Best,
Kurt
Kurt
> No comment.
What a pleasant change! Keep up the good work!
Best,
Kurt
patfred...@comcast.net
and that is that it does not take in account all the fat. And that much
oils will slow the pancreas in the production of insulin. and yes the
blood sugar goes up.
pat
Jennifer
Lower Carb does not have to equal Atkins.
You can lower your carb intake and use heart healthy oils and fats.
Lean cuts of meat, more fish.
Atkins is one of many many lowered carb choices you can make. If you
don't like it... don't follow it.
Jennifer
JJ Jones wrote:
> I haven't seen much to commend the Atkins diet. There are the usual
> girls in the office. At first they lose weight, then later they
> invariably blow up like ballons. We have probably all witnessed this
> astonishing phenomenon.
>
> There was only one person I knew personally who was able to 'keep the
> weight off" with Atkins. She lost a lot of weight, and kept it off for
> about 2 years. She looked very nice. She might have had Diabetes, I
> don't know.
>
> Then they discovered that she had a 95% blockage in her carotid artery.
> Before (or during) the bypass surgery, she had a stroke, and lost the
> use of her left arm.
>
> So excuse me for being skeptical, and excuse me for not eating egg
> yolks, but personally, you can take that Atkins diet and stick it in a
> place where the sun doesn't shine.
>
> Atkins relies on some dubious magic trick where you stuff your face
> with meat, fat and cholesterol, but it all magically disappears just so
> long as you don't eat any dreaded carbohydrates. To paraphase Bush
Priscilla H. Ballou
"Julie Bove" <juli...@verizon.net> wrote:
We just happen to have some facts about Atkins, as opposed to fantasies.
Priscilla
Roger Zoul
:: There is a major problem with the Atkins diet for those with Diabetes
More nonsense.
Roger Zoul
:: So don't use Atkins.
::
:: Lower Carb does not have to equal Atkins.
::
:: You can lower your carb intake and use heart healthy oils and fats.
:: Lean cuts of meat, more fish.
And you can't do that on Atkins?
::
:: Atkins is one of many many lowered carb choices you can make. If you
:: don't like it... don't follow it.
He doesn't even know what it is. Read his ignorant posts!
::
:: Jennifer
Julie Bove
"JJ Jones" <jamesjona...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I am just SO GLAD that you are following Atkins! Be sure to e-mail me
> from the ER after you have your massive coronary. Laugh at your dumb
> jokes now, because the yolk will be on YOU.
>
> HA! YOU enjoy being mean to ME! HA! As if, you simple-minded
> donkey-mouthed twit! I find your "meanness" to be entertainingly
> comical. Make my day.
Who are you talking to?
Julie Bove
<patfred...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Have you read the latest book? I am not on Atkins but my husband wanted to
try it so I did read the book. The diet is very specific as to the amount
of calories eaten and the breakdown thereof. The types of protein and fat
allowed are very specific. People seem to think Atkins is an "all you can
eat" meat and fat diet. It is not.
Priscilla H. Ballou
"Roger Zoul" <roger...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've noticed that every once in a while one or more new names will pop
up and start ladling out outrageous lies about Atkins and the Atkins way
of eating. We're on school vacation week here in Boston right now. I
wonder if there's any connection.
Priscilla
Alan S
<jamesjona...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>So excuse me for being skeptical, and excuse me for not eating egg
>yolks, but personally, you can take that Atkins diet and stick it in a
>place where the sun doesn't shine.
>
>Atkins relies on some dubious magic trick where you stuff your face
>with meat, fat and cholesterol, but it all magically disappears just so
>long as you don't eat any dreaded carbohydrates. To paraphase Bush
>Senior, it sounds like "Voodoo Nutrition" to me.
*sigh*
I'm too gullible. Why does it take me so long to recognise a
troll?
I'm not an Atkins devotee, but this guy has been leading
towards this from his arrival. All yours, folks. At least
the lurkers will learn from the responses.
Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 2x500mg
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Cheri
packs. :-)
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Alan S wrote in message ...
willbill
> I haven't seen much to commend the Atkins diet. There are the usual
> girls in the office. At first they lose weight, then later they
> invariably blow up like ballons. We have probably all witnessed this
> astonishing phenomenon.
>
> There was only one person I knew personally who was able to 'keep the
> weight off" with Atkins. She lost a lot of weight, and kept it off for
> about 2 years. She looked very nice. She might have had Diabetes, I
> don't know.
>
> Then they discovered that she had a 95% blockage in her carotid artery.
> Before (or during) the bypass surgery, she had a stroke, and lost the
> use of her left arm.
>
> yolks, but personally, you can take that Atkins diet and stick it in a
> place where the sun doesn't shine.
>
> Atkins relies on some dubious magic trick where you stuff your face
> with meat, fat and cholesterol, but it all magically disappears just so
> long as you don't eat any dreaded carbohydrates. To paraphase Bush
> Senior, it sounds like "Voodoo Nutrition" to me.
i've only glanced at one Atkins book
so i don't really have a clue on what
Atkins is all about
otoh and afaik, there's nothing wrong
with fat, so long as it's good fat
(avoid trans fats!)
see:
www.westonaprice.org/sitemap.html
(especially the Know Your Fats subhead)
bill t1 since '57
Alan S
Nope, not in this case. Pat is a little more of a worry IMO.
Here is the groups search result for our new poster:
http://tinyurl.com/mnpgc or
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author%3Apatfredrickson%40comcast.net&start=0&scoring=d&num=100&hl=en&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=18&as_maxm=4&as_maxy=2006&safe=off&filter=0
Read through it.
How long do you think before we see a post on the
"wonderful" new greenzap money scheme or a post with a link
to a cancer charity (which no longer loads, I wonder why?)
But I'm just a cynic. Convince me I'm wrong, Pat.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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> I am just SO GLAD that you are following Atkins! Be sure to e-mail me
> from the ER after you have your massive coronary. Laugh at your dumb
> jokes now, because the yolk will be on YOU.
> HA! YOU enjoy being mean to ME! HA! As if, you simple-minded
> donkey-mouthed twit! I find your "meanness" to be entertainingly
> comical. Make my day.
You think the Atkins diet involves eating mostly meat and fat. You
obviously know nothing about the Atkins diet. You also think that
eating fat makes you fat and eating cholesterol is what puts
cholesterol in your arteries. These are common misconceptions among
those who get their nutritional science from women's magazines or the
bloke who serves them beer and who are too stupid to wonder how cows
get fat.
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Chris Malcolm
> "JJ Jones" <jamesjona...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1145382108....@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> I am just SO GLAD that you are following Atkins! Be sure to e-mail me
>> from the ER after you have your massive coronary. Laugh at your dumb
>> jokes now, because the yolk will be on YOU.
>>
>> HA! YOU enjoy being mean to ME! HA! As if, you simple-minded
>> donkey-mouthed twit! I find your "meanness" to be entertainingly
>> comical. Make my day.
> Who are you talking to?
Since he hasn't provided any quote it looks like he's talking to
himself.
Chris Malcolm
According to the booksellers Atkins diet books have been great sellers
for ages. Like you I've read it out of curiosity, although I've never
followed the diet. I think most of the people who buy the book simply
don't read it. That's the only explanation I can think of for the
amazing amount of complete nonsense that's talked about it, including
by people who actually claim to be on the Atkins diet.
news.giganews.com
"Jennifer" <jennife...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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| So don't use Atkins.
|
| Lower Carb does not have to equal Atkins.
|
| You can lower your carb intake and use heart healthy oils and fats.
| Lean cuts of meat, more fish.
|
| Atkins is one of many many lowered carb choices you can make. If you
| don't like it... don't follow it.
|
| Jennifer
|
My Grandmother gave me a book that insisted that a protein only diet was the
way to go. I did that diet and lost about 60 pounds in 3 months with my 19
year old metabolism. No one could stay on that type of diet for ever. Every
diabetic knows what those high carb diets do to them.
I have done Atkins and he explained the reasoning for his diet, simply to
prevent excess calories and relieve the bodies constant struggle with
insulin overproduction due to overconsumption of carbs. Plain, simple and
very effective.
Most everyone that ever blamed any diet for any reason had issues well
established prior to engaging said diets.
A "DIET" should be those foods you eat that promote health, vitality, meet
daily energy requirements. What works for one very well, may not be suitable
for another. Patience, persistence and applied knowledge are the best tools
if the person is truly dedicated to resolving the health issues brought
about fast foods, excessive sugars, physically inactivity, and just plain
neglect.
So as Jennifer correctly said "Atkins is one of many lowered carb choices
you can make. If you
don't like it... don't follow it." But do something and get moving.
___
James D.
Herman Rubin
JJ Jones <jamesjona...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Roger Zoul wrote:
>> You're such an incredible dumbass....
>> The reason Atkins is voodoo nutrition to you is because you're stupid.
>Thanks for the explanation, Rog. That really clarifies things and
>eases my concerns.
I do not know of any study which shows that Atkins or
similar is bad. The claims of this in medical journals
is that certain things happen which cannot be good, but
this is also an assumption.
What is known about nutrition, other than that there are
needs for certain nutrients, is unfortunately low. It
is very hard to conduct the long-term controlled
experiments needed, and demographic studies have major
defects. It is consistent with all the present data that
gaining weight might improve human health. The opposite
is also consistent.
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BJ in Texas
And what is your scientific expaination for this misinformation?
BJ
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Glenn
much for his diet.
Roger Zoul
:: If I recall Atkins was morbidly obese and died from heart failure. So
:: much for his diet.
Do you know the definition of morbidly obese?
::
Cheri
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Roger Zoul wrote in message <124fq2g...@news.supernews.com>...
Alan S
wrote:
>If I recall Atkins was morbidly obese and died from heart failure. So
>much for his diet.
>
Both sides of that controversy:
http://www.snopes.com/medical/doctor/atkins.asp
However, this seems the relevant part:
"Dr. Robert Atkins died on 17 April 2003 at the age of 72
after sustaining head injuries in a fall outside his New
York clinic.
<snip>
Atkins' widow and Dr. Stuart Trager, the spokesperson for
Atkins Physicians Council, both contend Robert Atkins
weighed less than 200 pounds at the time of his accident,
claiming "During his coma, as he deteriorated and his major
organs failed, fluid retention and bloating dramatically
distorted his body and left him at 258 pounds at the time of
his death, a documented weight gain of over 60 pounds."
Thanks to his death certificate (as displayed at The Smoking
Gun), we know Atkins was 258 pounds at the time of his
death. Yet according to a copy of his medical records, as
turned over to USA Today by the diet guru's widow, Atkins
weighed 195 pounds upon admission to the hospital 8 April
2003 following his fall. He died on 17 April 2003 after
having been in a coma for more than a week."
Chris Malcolm
> If I recall Atkins was morbidly obese and died from heart failure. So
> much for his diet.
Your research skills are showing, I'm afraid. What you recall is an
urban rumour put about by people who didn't like the Atkins diet and
hoped that it made him fat and gave him a heart attack.
Ma¢k
and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:
>If I recall Atkins was morbidly obese and died from heart failure. So
>much for his diet.
atkins did not die of heart failure. stop lying and gets the facts
correct.
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