breakfast
Pete Whitehead
slivered almonds) and I mix 1/2 cup of this with 1/2 cup of all bran
cereal for breakfast. This mixture is good and never had an adverse
effect on my blood sugar.
Now all of a sudden, my BS is 11.2 two hours after eating my normal
breakfast. It didn't happen just once, but 2 or 3 days n a row.
I tried having only all bran alone for breakfast and it drove the BS
wild again.
Now I am at a loss as to what to eat for breakfast.
Any suggestions? What is low carb breakfast cereal?
Scrambled eggs keep my BS low, but I need somethign else for
breakfast.
H E L P
W. Baker
: I make my own granola (oats, honey, brown sugar, cinnamon, vanilla,
: H E L P
My favorite breakfast, and one that works for ME(you have to check for
youself as YMMV)consists of about 1/3 C of cottage cheese topped with
SMALL amounts of a few fruits, particularl berries like 2-3 sstrawberries,
handful of blue,black,rasp, boysen berries, 1/4 apple, 1 clemintine
orange(small) a smile slice of canteloupe, 1/2 peach, etc. (NO BANANA).
Use about 3 fruits like this and top with a large dollop(1/4 C ) PLAIN
yogurt. Tastes delicious and I love havign this while my usband has the
smae fruits + 1/2 banana on his cold cereal.
Hope this helps- You may have to vary the fruit amount to fit our own
situation.
Wendy
Loretta Eisenberg
change. I eat cottage cheese with some fruit, like a quarter of a
banana and a couple of crackers. You can buy low carb cereals. In the
bread aisles there are lots of low carb breads, try having one slice
with your eggs or omelets. omelets with cheese and vegatables should
work.
Also how big are your portions
are you testing before meals. If you are, then eat to the meter.
Loretta
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Pete Whitehead
Thx for the response
I have cottage cheese and fruit (usually pineapple or grapefruit) for
lunch almost every day followed by non-fat yogurt (Yoplait seems to be
the lowest in sugar). Why do you say no banana? When the 15:00
munchies hit, if I don;t eat a handful of peanuts, I have a banana.
sometimers
> Forget low carb breakfast cereal, and think about eating non breakfast
> foods for breakfast.
I found having the heaviest carbs midday helpful. Yes yes yes to
non breakfast foods for breakfast. Things like an egg and meat
at breakfast has been working well for me. I take you to mean
no cereals at breakfast.
I've found a small bowl, limited to the stated 1/2 cup serving
size, of breakfast cereal a very good occasional mid afternoon
snack, especially on days when I am physically most active. But
when the current stock of cereals is finished I won't be
replacing them.
Peppermint Patootie
<be733740-47f1-41b2...@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
Pete Whitehead <pdwhi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Why do you need something other than eggs for breakfast? Eggs are a
fine food for the beginning of the day when many T2s insulin resistance
is highest. I have eggs almost every morning.
PP, T2
Julie Bove
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I fail to see how that would keep your BG low, ever. And AFAIK there is no
low carb cereal. Unless perhaps it's something made of soy.
Michelle C.
Bananas are high in sugar.
I notice that you mention testing at 2 hours. For some people that is
that time when their bg is likely to be highest, but for many T2's the
peak occurs somewhere around the one hour mark. I suggest you try
testing then. It's important to find the time when your bg peaks and
keep that number below 140 to prevent or delay progression of the disease.
I suspect your granola has been spiking your bg, but you've been missing
the peak.
Check out these links:
http://alt-support-diabetes.org/new.php
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2, no meds
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splenda brown sugar
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Breakfast beef steak, eggs, nuts, a 1/3 cup of blueberries with
enough sour cream or heavy cream to coat them, cheddar
cheese, and cottage cheese.
Early on I experimented with unprocessed wheat bran
mixed with coconut flakes then I cooked them and
added unsweeten, starch-free heavy cream but I've forgotten what I
concluded and I no longer eat the mixture.
And I have coffee with heavy cream at times.
Trig
Li...@monomaniacal.com
enough sour cream or heavy cream to coat them, cheddar
cheese, and cottage cheese.
Early on I experimented with unprocessed wheat bran
mixed with coconut flakes then I cooked them and
added unsweeten, starch-free heavy cream but I've forgotten what I
concluded and I no longer eat the mixture.
And I have coffee with heavy cream at times."
All to his own, but a diabetic imo should be hesitant at the levels of
saturated lipids involved. There is a growing body of research
supporting the role of sat fat in beta cell health and insulin
resistance.
It would suggest, as other research in the good vs. bad fat discussion,
that more monosat fats provide protection and positive benefits for a
diabetic.
Peppermint Patootie
Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote:
> x-no-archive: Yes
>
> Li...@monomaniacal.com wrote:
>
> > All to his own, but a diabetic imo should be hesitant at the levels of
> > saturated lipids involved. There is a growing body of research
> > supporting the role of sat fat in beta cell health and insulin
> > resistance.
> >
> > It would suggest, as other research in the good vs. bad fat discussion,
> > that more monosat fats provide protection and positive benefits for a
> > diabetic.
>
>
> That's from saturated fat in the blood, which is lower when one eats
> saturated fat, not higher, and lowers carbs.
>
> Posted the study last week.
>
>
> Susan
Heh! That's interesting. Like with cholesterol, they apparently
generalized from blood levels assuming that dietary levels mirrored
blood levels. *sigh* I wish scientists would test their hypotheses
before foisting them on the general public.
PP, T2
W. Baker
: On Nov 26, 8:54?am, "W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote:
: > Pete Whitehead <pdwhiteh...@gmail.com> wrote:
: >
: > : I make my own granola (oats, honey, brown sugar, cinnamon, vanilla,
: > : slivered almonds) and I mix 1/2 cup of this with 1/2 cup of all bran
: > : cereal for breakfast. This mixture is good and never had an adverse
: > : effect on my blood sugar.
: > : Now all of a sudden, my BS is 11.2 two hours after eating my normal
: > : breakfast. It didn't happen just once, but 2 or 3 days n a row.
: > : I tried having only all bran alone for breakfast and it drove the BS
: > : wild again.
: > : Any suggestions? What is ?low carb breakfast cereal?
: > : Scrambled eggs keep my BS low, but I need somethign else for
: > : breakfast.
: >
: > : H E L P
: >
: > My favorite breakfast, and one that works for ME(you have to check for
: > youself as YMMV)consists of about 1/3 C of cottage cheese topped with
: > SMALL amounts of a few fruits, particularl berries like 2-3 sstrawberries,
: > handful of blue,black,rasp, boysen berries, 1/4 apple, 1 clemintine
: > Use about 3 fruits like this and top with a large dollop(1/4 C ) PLAIN
: > yogurt. ?Tastes delicious and I love havign this while my usband has the
: > smae fruits + 1/2 banana on his cold cereal.
: >
: > situation.
: >
: > Wendy
: Thx for the response
: I have cottage cheese and fruit (usually pineapple or grapefruit) for
: lunch almost every day followed by non-fat yogurt (Yoplait seems to be
: the lowest in sugar). Why do you say no banana? When the 15:00
: munchies hit, if I don;t eat a handful of peanuts, I have a banana.
Banana are quite high in carbs. as a frit in the exchange system which
means 10-15 grams of carb a HALF a banana is one unit so a whole one is
bewween 20 and 30 grams of carb. I can use so little in my breakfast tht
it is not worth having, say 3 thin slices, so no bana since it is so easy
to exceed your carb limits, particularly in the moring.
Also, try using unsweetened yogurt and you will save many carbs. use
either regular plain, unsweetened or the new Greek style ones. Do you
test after that bananaa? I think the nuts are better for our diabetes.
Wendy
Li...@monomaniacal.com
> saturated lipids involved. There is a growing body of research
> supporting the role of sat fat in beta cell health and insulin
> resistance.
>
> It would suggest, as other research in the good vs. bad fat
discussion,
> that more monosat fats provide protection and positive benefits for a
> diabetic.
" That's from saturated fat in the blood, which is lower when one eats
saturated fat, not higher, and lowers carbs.
Posted the study last week."
Happy to review it if reposted. Not speaking of a single article but a
body of research. I also posted an abstract which discusses this body
of research.
It is not in the blood that the activity happens but at the cell level.
As I said in that post, the good vs. bad fat is now at the stage of
being accepted that high vs. low carbs was about 5 years ago or so. The
direction is clear and substantial research to the contrary would now be
required to put that train on another track.
Li...@monomaniacal.com
As compared to whom, the saturated fat producers in order to suppress
the monosat fat ones? Please, can we keep this at a scientific level?
"University of California show much greater improvement in inflammatory
markers in patients with metabolic syndrome on a very low carbohydrate
approach compared to a low fat diet."
The answers one gets depends on the questions one asks. The question I
raised is given the same carb intake what difference sat and monosat
fats on beta cell health and insulin resistance?
"The real importance of diets that lower carbohydrate content is that
they are grounded in mechanism carbohydrates stimulate insulin secretion
which biases fat metabolism towards storage rather than oxidation. The
inflammation results open a new aspect of the problem. From a practical
standpoint, continued demonstrations that carbohydrate restriction is
more beneficial than low fat could be good news to those wishing to
forestall or manage the diseases associated with metabolic syndrome."
Again, not addressing the question raised. For the same process, what
difference in type of fats holding carb intake the same?
The answer to the question is carb independent as asked.
richard....@gmail.com
I rotate 3 breakfasts usually: 1-scrambled eggs with turkey bacon and
"Perfect 10" (10 net carbs) bagel from Western Bagel (their
alternative bagels are only 19 carbs-I eat the onion ones, too) 2-hot
flaxseed meal cereal (I stir in a spoonful of sugar-free red raspberry
preserves) recipe: http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/breakfast1/r/flaxpdcereal.htm
3-Special K Protein Plus cereal (9 net carbs).
Richard
Ozgirl
Actually, what they test is the oxidative stress immediately after a meal
with sat fat in it. It is the oxidative stress that is causing the damage.
Again, its not a measure of lipids in the bloods as such but rather what the
sat fat is actually doing to the endothelium. This is happening regardless
of the amount of carbs ingested (or not). So again, the blood profile may
look great but the oxidative stress is up the creek. We are talking two
totally different things here.
Li...@monomaniacal.com
a
> body of research. I also posted an abstract which discusses this body
> of research.
>
> It is not in the blood that the activity happens but at the cell
level.
>
> As I said in that post, the good vs. bad fat is now at the stage of
> being accepted that high vs. low carbs was about 5 years ago or so.
The
> direction is clear and substantial research to the contrary would now
be
> required to put that train on another track.
"I understand lipid variables, and I understand that no evidence has
proven any causal relationship between saturated fats and worse health
outcomes.
It's circulating saturated fats that cause damage to cells, if they do,
and those are lowered by dietary saturated fat.
This is separate and apart from the good fat/bad fat issue, which has
more to do with ratios, unpolluted sources (grass fed vs. feedlot
animals, trans fats, omega 6 vs. omega 3)."
Here is mine, now show me yours:
'The influence of major dietary fatty acids on insulin secretion and
action'
Curr Opin Lipidol. 2009 Nov 12; [Epub ahead of print
PURPOSE OF REVIEW: To briefly summarize recent advances towards
understanding the influence of major dietary fatty acids on beta-cell
function and evaluate their implications for insulin resistance. RECENT
FINDINGS: Studies in humans have shown that beta-cell function and
insulin sensitivity improve progressively in the postprandial period as
the proportion of monounsaturated fatty acids (MUFAs) with respect to
saturated fatty acids (SFAs) in dietary fats increases.
However, cell-culture experiments have revealed a dichotomy in the
ability of fatty acids to moderate hyperactivity of, and induce
lipotoxicity in, beta-cells. There are also some novel findings
regarding the ability of HDL to protect beta-cells against oxidized
LDL-induced apoptosis in vitro and of reconstituted HDL to attenuate
insulin resistance in vivo. These findings raise new questions regarding
the contribution of dietary fatty acids to insulin secretion and action.
SUMMARY: These new findings point to a critical role for major dietary
fatty acids in the etiology and pathogenesis of diabetes, which appears
to be of particular relevance during postprandial periods and mainly
depends on the fatty acid type. This underscores the importance of
dietary fatty acids in standard diabetes management.
Li...@monomaniacal.com
That's what's wrong with limiting your understanding to the headlines
and conclusions."
How so, considering no "data" was given. This is a review of research
paper. I have been following this topic for years and have seen it
develope in the direction the paper suggests.
When the online full version is available I will provide more details.
Because of its very recent date it should have the most current
research.
In the meantime, consider these as indications of the direction this
train is heading, these peeks are not isolated examples:
Am J Clin Nutr. 2008 Sep;88(3):638-44.
'Distinctive postprandial modulation of beta cell function and insulin
dietary fats: monounsaturated compared with saturated fatty acids.'
CONCLUSIONS: The data presented here suggest that beta cell function and
insulin sensitivity progressively improve in the postprandial state as
the proportion of MUFAs with respect to SFAs in dietary fats increases.
Diabetologia. 2006 Jun;49(6):1371-9.
'Differential effects of monounsaturated, polyunsaturated and saturated
fat ingestion on glucose-stimulated insulin secretion, sensitivity and
clearance in overweight and obese, non-diabetic humans.'
CONCLUSIONS/INTERPRETATION: Oral ingestion of fats with differing
degrees of saturation resulted in different effects on insulin secretion
and action. PUFA ingestion resulted in an absolute reduction in insulin
secretion and SFA ingestion induced insulin resistance. Failure of
insulin secretion to compensate for insulin resistance implies impaired
beta cell function in the SFA study.
ray
Lowest carb breakfast cereals I've found are original Fibre One and
Kellog's Special K High Protein. My usual breakfast is two eggs, two
slices bacon and 1/2 double fiber english muffin.
ray
> "Pete Whitehead" <pdwhi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Original Fiber One is quite low. Kellog's Special K High Protein is not
too bad.
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I do get my share of polyun and mono fats in the rest of my diet
which includes walnuts, peanuts, olive oil, canned sardines,
canned salmon, avocados (at times), and fish oil capsules.
The above includes my main carb sources except the
carrots I mix in with some beef dishes. As to the rest
of the diet it includes lots of parsley including parsley
based salads, onions raw, garlic, broccoli, collards,
spinach, lettuce, peppers, celery, and cucumbers. I also eat
an occasional tomato product and part of an apple.
Some of the above should be seen as competing
choices not made in the same 24 hour cycle.
I don't seem to eating sesame seeds and
pumpkin seeds currently but I see them
as useful foods.
I also take a range of supplements that
would make most "members" of sci.life-extension
proud.
Trig