Re: Almost Kissed His Ass Goodbye
Uncle Enrico
circumstances, but the AARP may come after you for this post. :)
If you see him again, you might want to call 911. Maybe the police can pull
him over without one of those lengthy chases we often see on TV.
Was he wearing a seatbelt?
"Hi_Therre" <Bru...@Rosebud.com> wrote in message
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> Monday morning we were heading to Walmart and were doing about 45 mph.
> Good thing traffic was light. We rounded a curve and came upon this
> ol fart also heading eastbound. You will never guess what he was
> riding in, or on, - a god damned scooter, you know a powered chair,
> like Billie and Guy use. This section of street is somewhat high
> speed at 40 mph, most people do 50 mph. It has a curve which
> sometimes you come up on slow moving vehicles quite quickly. All of a
> sudden we were on top of this stupid ol bastard. If the left lane
> were not clear, I would probably be in jail for vehicular
> manslaughter, since I would have creamed this stupid ol bastard. As
> it was, I almost rolled the truck over since I was forced to make such
> a sharp left turn to avoid hitting this stupid ol bastard. The worst
> part is, when we swerved around him, he appeared to be totally unaware
> that we almost creamed his stupid ass.
>
> I hope people like Billie and Guy have more brains than exhibited like
> this stupid ol fool. You arer not supposed to ride these god damned
> scooters in high speed traffic. Stay on the sidewalks. If totally
> necessary, stay to the extreme right side of the lane so traffic can
> avoid wiping your ass out. This stupid fool was smack in the center
> of the lane. No where to go to avoid hitting him.
>
> He lucked out to live another day. His next day of such stupidity
> could very well be his last. All you power chair users, keep this in
> mind.
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Roger Zoul
vehicle there, instead of this man? Whose fault would it have been it you
had run into that?
The fact of the matter is that if you come up on a blind curve and you
cannot see what's around the corner, it's your job to slow down to avoid a
possible accident. Had you hit the old man, you'd deserve to go to jail,
IMO.
Hi_Therre wrote:
:: Monday morning we were heading to Walmart and were doing about 45
rle...@hotmail.com
Roger Zoul wrote:
> So what if there had been a slow moving trackor or some other kind of
> vehicle there, instead of this man? Whose fault would it have been it you
> had run into that?
I nearly got mashed in a Starbucks parking lot by someone driving way
too fast for either blind corners or parking lots. S'bucks can't do
much about putting traffic calming measures in their own parking lots
for obvious reasons (speed bumps and hot coffee don't mix).
> :: I hope people like Billie and Guy have more brains than exhibited
> :: like this stupid ol fool. You arer not supposed to ride these god
> :: damned scooters in high speed traffic. Stay on the sidewalks. If
> :: totally necessary, stay to the extreme right side of the lane so
> :: traffic can avoid wiping your ass out.
So I'm at this county planning meeting where we're being told the
current standard for light collector roads is an eight foot shoulder on
either side -- this after a hairy ride to get there in heavy traffic
along a two mile segment where the fog line is often underneath a sand
drift! There may be reasons why the sidewalk is untenable or
unavailable to powered wheelchairs. Where ARE the AARP and Americans
with Disabilities Act enforcers when you really, really need them?
This stupid fool was smack
> :: in the center of the lane. No where to go to avoid hitting him.
I "take the lane" when I'm cycling a lot -- especially at intersections
where I want to leave some space for right turning cars (I'm allergic
to right-turning motorists on my left....). Sometimes I do it just to
improve my visibility around, you guessed it, blind turns.
But when I do that, I check my back first, by turning my head, not
trusting the mirror. I think you've got a completely different case
here, though.
Yours in sharing the road,
Robert Leone rle...@hotmail.com
ted rosenberg
> Monday morning we were heading to Walmart and were doing about 45 mph.
> Good thing traffic was light. We rounded a curve and came upon this
> ol fart also heading eastbound. You will never guess what he was
> riding in, or on, - a god damned scooter, you know a powered chair,
> like Billie and Guy use. This section of street is somewhat high
> speed at 40 mph, most people do 50 mph. It has a curve which
> sometimes you come up on slow moving vehicles quite quickly. All of a
> sudden we were on top of this stupid ol bastard. If the left lane
> were not clear, I would probably be in jail for vehicular
> manslaughter, since I would have creamed this stupid ol bastard. As
> it was, I almost rolled the truck over since I was forced to make such
> a sharp left turn to avoid hitting this stupid ol bastard. The worst
> part is, when we swerved around him, he appeared to be totally unaware
> that we almost creamed his stupid ass.
>
> this stupid ol fool. You arer not supposed to ride these god damned
> scooters in high speed traffic. Stay on the sidewalks. If totally
> necessary, stay to the extreme right side of the lane so traffic can
> of the lane. No where to go to avoid hitting him.
>
> could very well be his last. All you power chair users, keep this in
> mind.
> _____________________________________
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It would be the world's gain
ted rosenberg
> I don't think you'd be in jail for vehicular manslaughter given the
> circumstances, but the AARP may come after you for this post. :)
>
> If you see him again, you might want to call 911. Maybe the police can pull
> him over without one of those lengthy chases we often see on TV.
>
> Was he wearing a seatbelt?
>
>
> "Hi_Therre" <Bru...@Rosebud.com> wrote in message
WHY ? he has a right to use the road, unless it is a marked limited
access highway.
Hi_There better keep his speeding out of Ohio, Maryland and Pennsylvania
- he might run into a horse and buggy.
Billie
involved, they (police) **can** deny you the *privilege* of riding on the streets (****side of
the streets, and not in the middle of the road****). They have had to go and pick up chairs
where the person had been picked up for dui, and the guy who delivered mine said he had actually
been called to the jail where one's owner was incarcerated for dui. There is even something in
the manual about not driving it while under alcoholic influence. It has been a very real
problem. They have flags, and a holder for them on the chair, that extend upward so that people
can know they are there. Sounds like this guy needs to put one on his chair. You'll not find
me traveling down any city streets other than around my house where there are no sidewalks. Our
daughter lives one block from us, and I *do* expect to ride there, but there is not much traffic
where we live; all's quiet. *s*
I'm not sure what kind of chair Guy has; I remember when he got his, or got it fixed, whichever,
I forget that part, but mine is not a scooter, it is more a *modified* wheelchair, meant for
indoor use. The scooters are the ones intended for outdoor use, and Medicare is not approving
them this year for whatever reason. The scooters are more for an *aid* to get out and about.
The chair is for indoor needs as I wrote about earlier telling about my trip. We are getting
ready to move things around so it can get around the house, and I'll be able to get out of this
darn bed/sofa! I was glad I found out I could do some activity while sitting in my chair;
didn't get weak or tired as long as I was sitting. Think I've gotten rested, and am ready to
attempt some house-stuff. THAT should boost my spirits! I know it did in the hotel room.
Anxious to find out. *vbg*
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"Uncle Enrico" <Un...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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:I don't think you'd be in jail for vehicular manslaughter given the
:
:
Uncle Enrico
"ted rosenberg" <tedros...@iname.com> wrote in message
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> WHY ? he has a right to use the road, unless it is a marked limited access
> highway.
He may have a "right" to drive a 4 mph scooter on a roadway with blind
curves and 45 mph traffic on it but it may be "wrong" in the grand scheme of
things. We have many "rights" that are ultimately wrong and this may be one
of them.
I would also caution Hi-Therre to slow down on curves.
Cheri
necessary Bruce. It makes it sound like you're one of those "road rage"
people that are a Hell of a lot more dangerous than an incident on a
scooter. We have that all the time where I live, with tractors hauling
grape gondolas etc., so we're used to driving defensively and with
caution. Glad you didn't hit him.
--
Cheri
ted rosenberg wrote in message ...
ted rosenberg
Scooter users and Power wheelchair users have a RIGHT to use the road,
and may have to. My daughter spent her senior year in a scooter, and
had to ride up MD 213 to get to class each day and to get to the
supermarket to go shopping. She used sidewalks when possible, minimized
trips, and removed the governor, but the road is for everyone.
She is out of the scooter and onto a bicycle now, which she usually
rides on the street where you are required by law to ride in the lane.
She rides over 1000 miles a month (I know, I think she is crazy too),
and rarely gets into accidents except when someone cuts her off and she
hits them.
The Amish and some Mennonites use horse and buggy, they use the roads,
and you better watch out for him. I assume Brucie would complain about
them too, but he probably has never come east.
W. Baker
Gerry
<tedros...@iname.com> wrote:
>Uncle Enrico wrote:
>> I don't think you'd be in jail for vehicular manslaughter given the
>> circumstances, but the AARP may come after you for this post. :)
>>
>> If you see him again, you might want to call 911. Maybe the police can pull
>> him over without one of those lengthy chases we often see on TV.
>>
>> Was he wearing a seatbelt?
>>
>>
>> "Hi_Therre" <Bru...@Rosebud.com> wrote in message
><snip>
>WHY ? he has a right to use the road, unless it is a marked limited
>access highway.
>
Why a "right"? I'm not sure about your jurisdiction but around here
any vehicle using a public road must be licensed and meet the minimum
standards regarding head and tail lights, brakes, crash worthiness,
etc. Special rules apply to farm equipment being transported to and
from farm fields. Unless your vehicle conforms to the rules, you can
be ticketed. This includes ATVs, snowmobiles, and scooters.
Gerry
Roger Zoul
:: On Wed, 17 May 2006 12:38:08 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: <roger...@hotmail.com> wrote:
::
::: So what if there had been a slow moving trackor or some other kind
::: of vehicle there, instead of this man? Whose fault would it have
::: been it you had run into that?
:: A tractor has a big profile. It is easy to see.
Find me where in your local traffic code where is say anything at all about
PROFILE, dimbulb. It makes no difference whatsoever what kind of profile
anything has - if you're on the road then it is YOUR responsibility to see
what's in the road and it is YOUR responsibility to not drive too fast for
road conditions. If you don't see what's in front of you in the road, SLOW
THE FUCK DOWN.
::
:::
::: The fact of the matter is that if you come up on a blind curve and
::: you cannot see what's around the corner, it's your job to slow down
::: to avoid a possible accident. Had you hit the old man, you'd
::: deserve to go to jail, IMO.
:::
:: Total bullshit. That damn thing does not belong on a high speed
:: street. That damn chair has a low visual profile. You don't see it
:: until you are almost on top of it. If anything, keep the damn thing
:: on a low traffic street.
Who made YOU God and granted YOU the right to decide what belongs on the
road? Yeah, you didn't see it because you were driving too fast. Why it is
okay for him to be on a low traffic street and who decides what is a low
traffic street. If the road isn't marked to disallow his type of traffic,
then he is within his rights to use the road.
It's obvious that you're too stupid to be anything but a hazard on the road.
Roger Zoul
:: I don't know if all the "stupid" "old farts" and "bastards" was
:: necessary Bruce. It makes it sound like you're one of those "road
:: rage" people that are a Hell of a lot more dangerous than an
:: incident on a scooter. We have that all the time where I live, with
:: tractors hauling grape gondolas etc., so we're used to driving
:: defensively and with caution. Glad you didn't hit him.
He's a fucking moron who doesn't even recognize when he is in the wrong.
:: --
W. Baker
: : The Amish and some Mennonites use horse and buggy, they use the roads,
: : and you better watch out for him. I assume Brucie would complain about
: : them too, but he probably has never come east.
Something happened to my first post and my message never made it.
In the Pennsylvania areas where the buggies are prevalent there are signs
and warnings to watch out for buggies. In addition, the buggies usually
drive on teh side of the lane, like bicyclists are supposed to (exxxcept
for the meal delivery guys in my neighborhod), There are no general signs
or warning about scooters, shich, I assume, should also drive on teh side
of the road.
Wendy
Saxology
"Uncle Enrico" <Un...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>circumstances, but the AARP may come after you for this post. :)
>
> If you see him again, you might want to call 911. Maybe the police can
> pull him over without one of those lengthy chases we often see on TV.
>
> Was he wearing a seatbelt?
>
and if the cop got wrecked and killed while persueing this guy he would go
to jail under the new law we have here... That would be one funny thing!
-Sax
Saxology
You have to have one of those big orange triangles on a slow moving critter
to be legal near me, same in PA when I lived there some years ago. either
way, dead is dead...
-Sax
Saxology
"Roger Zoul" <roger...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Cheri wrote:
> :: I don't know if all the "stupid" "old farts" and "bastards" was
> :: necessary Bruce. It makes it sound like you're one of those "road
> :: rage" people that are a Hell of a lot more dangerous than an
> :: incident on a scooter. We have that all the time where I live, with
> :: tractors hauling grape gondolas etc., so we're used to driving
> :: defensively and with caution. Glad you didn't hit him.
>
> He's a fucking moron who doesn't even recognize when he is in the wrong.
>
> :: --
> :: Cheri
May have been 2 wrongs here and that is what creates accidents many times.
A scooter that is slow moving for the traffic and improperly marked.
Someone in a hurry around a blind corner. It is usually the combination
that proves deadly.
I was on a back road in PA one night, came around a corner that had a steep
dip in it afterward only to find a milk truck parked in the road with its
lights off! The truck was below the dip grade and I had very little time to
avoid it. Had there been traffic in the oncoming lane I would have wrecked
for sure. It wasn't the dip/hill, the darkness, the speed of travel or the
unlit truck parked in a bad spot. It was the combination of events. As in
the OP's case, as in mine, one more ingredient was needed for the disaster
to happen.
We all get lucky sometimes, the OP, me, that ol' bastard in the scooter!
-Sax
Uncle Enrico
> Uncle Enrico wrote:
>> "ted rosenberg" <tedros...@iname.com> wrote in message
>> news:e4fq2a$bpr$1...@emma.aioe.org...
> may have to. My daughter spent her senior year in a scooter, and had to
> ride up MD 213 to get to class each day and to get to the supermarket to
> go shopping. She used sidewalks when possible, minimized trips, and
> removed the governor, but the road is for everyone.
Independence and mobility are worth a lot to me. But I wouldn't risk getting
run down by an inattentive driver negotiating a curve as I ride my
motorized wheel chair to Walmart. I think I'd take a cab.
Have you seen who's getting licenses down at the DMV lately? Throw cell
phones and other distractions into the mix and it just ain't worth it.
Good luck to all who are taking those risks.
Billie
unseen ones. Traffic moves at a fast clip throughout (legal speed limits), the streets are
winding and sometimes hilly; you have a good mix of tourists in with local residents, plus a lot
of retirees. Off hand, I cannot think of a lower than 35 speed limit for the open,
non-residential streets, with 45/50 predominant. Other than residential areas, I can think of
no place that would be safe for a small conveyance to travel, and especially not in the middle
of a lane. That would be pure suicidal. It would *test* any driver there to come upon
something in the road like this, especially since it is not a *regular* as the horses, etc.
Yes, there are horse and buggies, but they are large enough to be seen, plus they have to obey
the traffic laws just as any vehicle would. And you can *really* see the Duck tour boats! LOL
Having ridden out on our street the first day as I tested it, I cannot imagine taking it
anywhere there is real traffic, even in our rural town. I dunno, maybe I'll find out
differently, but I don't really think so.
Something else, getting approval for a chair has a lot of requirements, and you cannot get one
just because *going out* is harder to do than before, and a *scooter* would make it easier.
There *has* to be a medical need for its use ***inside*** the home. In addition to Dr. Endo's
and my statements of need, there was also the test done just a couple of weeks prior to the
request which showed definite impairment of all extremities. Considering this, then, your
*user* has a certain amount of impairment (arm limitations is required for approval), and is not
as physically capable as your auto drivers (unless they are keeping a disability hidden). Of
course, that does not mean that those who just buy one outright has all these limitations, and
maybe some insurances do not have all these requirements, but I imagine most have some, similar
to approving a pump.
I am *not* commenting on Bruce's driving, but I am very familiar with the area, and can see this
happening to any one, no matter how careful a driver. The speed limits are set with these
roads, and conditions taken in consideration; In fact, I am visualizing one particular street
that this could present itself, and it would be suicidal for anyone to ride a scooter or
wheelchair there. It would be the equivalent of someone darting out in front of an on-coming
car.
Billie
[I just asked Jim about this, and he agreed that riding along there in a scooter was not only an
accident ready to happen, but it is also suicidal behavior.]
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guy
The mixing of vehicles on today roads is big problem.
I am not a fan of motorcycles with a fool on them.
I do think it foolhardy to try to take a power wheelchair
into open traffic.
I worked with a fellow that insisted on his rights on a bicycle.
They found him on a country road where he landed his head.
RIP
I quit driving long ago. Diabetes made me a hazard,
Wheelchairs are one of many items that should be restricted
But the hazard is the operator, not the vehicle.
Guy
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Missouri actually has a cell phone shop co-located inside! While you
wait in line at the DMV, the cell phone salesperson will attempt to woo
you into their cell plans.
guy
When you hit a fool in a situation ---here comes the lawyers.
Use the brake liberally or take a big loss.
If my situation were to change, I might have to use the chair on
local city streets. I will have plenty of flags, etc.
I surely will not challenge any ton+ vehicles. I think
I can count 12 cases where careless or pushy people
met their end
probably demanding their rights.
Chris Malcolm
> Monday morning we were heading to Walmart and were doing about 45 mph.
> Good thing traffic was light. We rounded a curve and came upon this
> ol fart also heading eastbound. You will never guess what he was
> riding in, or on, - a god damned scooter, you know a powered chair,
> like Billie and Guy use. This section of street is somewhat high
> speed at 40 mph, most people do 50 mph. It has a curve which
> sometimes you come up on slow moving vehicles quite quickly. All of a
> sudden we were on top of this stupid ol bastard. If the left lane
> were not clear, I would probably be in jail for vehicular
> manslaughter, since I would have creamed this stupid ol bastard. As
> it was, I almost rolled the truck over since I was forced to make such
> a sharp left turn to avoid hitting this stupid ol bastard. The worst
> part is, when we swerved around him, he appeared to be totally unaware
> that we almost creamed his stupid ass.
> I hope people like Billie and Guy have more brains than exhibited like
> this stupid ol fool. You arer not supposed to ride these god damned
> scooters in high speed traffic. Stay on the sidewalks. If totally
> necessary, stay to the extreme right side of the lane so traffic can
> avoid wiping your ass out. This stupid fool was smack in the center
> of the lane. No where to go to avoid hitting him.
> He lucked out to live another day. His next day of such stupidity
> could very well be his last. All you power chair users, keep this in
> mind.
And all you car drivers who speed round blind corners etc. at speeds
where you couldn't possibly stop before hitting a stationary
obstruction, do keep in mind that you're gambling. Sooner or later
you're going to crash into that thing that shouldn't have been there
according to the rules. Your loved ones will be able to comfort
themselves with the thought that it wasn't your fault, you were in the
right. Dead right.
It's your kind of attitude that makes the traffic accident death rate
exceed the death rate of most wars.
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Chris Malcolm
> He had nothing of any warning of a very slow moving item. Just
> traveling down the street totally unaware of his surroundings. And,
> damned near got creamed.
As the police say, it usually takes two fools to cause an accident.
Roger Zoul
In most municipalities, the rules are to be as far to the right as
practicable. If it is not safe to be far to the right, the driver CAN use
the lane, which is the smart thing to do if you're on a narrow road or when
visibility might be an issue. If you're in a blind curve, your chances of
being seen if you're far to the right are diminshed.
Roger Zoul
It doesn't matter if you or anything thinks it's suicidal to be on a slow
moving vehicle on some road. That's not even the point. If the local laws
don't forbid SMVs on this roadway, it's legal and one is entitled.
Many non-cyclist will claim that almost any busy road is unsuitable for
cylcing. So? Just because someone who is inexperienced at cycling in
traffic doesn't consider it safe doesn't make it so.
Anyone driving any vehicle has a responsibility to do so in a safe manner at
ALL times. If you can't see what's ahead of you, that is sufficient reason
to SLOW DOWN. Period. The fact that motorist are commonly speeding around
a blind curve changes nothing but it does point out how dangerous some
drivers are.
Billie wrote:
:: Where Bruce lives is in no way conducive to any slow moving
Ma¢k
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>The ol fool should have enough brains to stay the hell off of high
>traffic streets. Traffic builds quickly and typically moves at 45 -
>50 mph. Just think of the carnage created if someone hits this ol
>fool. Good thing traffic was light so I could cut into the left lane
>and he gets to live another day. If traffic were heavier, there would
>be no way to avoid smearing him all over the street.
didn't you say the speed "limit" was 45? what's with all the speeding
above that? why is it okay for so many to break the law simply
because they are in a car but the guy in the wheel chair is the fool
for not breaking the law. And at this point, you have NOT stated how
he actually broke any laws. Chair users are allowed to use the roads.
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Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:
>On Wed, 17 May 2006 12:38:08 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
><roger...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>So what if there had been a slow moving trackor or some other kind of
>>vehicle there, instead of this man? Whose fault would it have been it you
>>had run into that?
>
>A tractor has a big profile. It is easy to see.
>
>>
>>The fact of the matter is that if you come up on a blind curve and you
>>cannot see what's around the corner, it's your job to slow down to avoid a
>>possible accident. Had you hit the old man, you'd deserve to go to jail,
>>IMO.
>>
>Total bullshit. That damn thing does not belong on a high speed
>street. That damn chair has a low visual profile. You don't see it
>until you are almost on top of it. If anything, keep the damn thing
>on a low traffic street.
this is where people like you make mistakes all the time bruce. your
personal opinions don't mean shit in a court of law.
Ma¢k
Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:
>On Wed, 17 May 2006 19:20:19 GMT, "Billie"
><love.my...@kittycats.net> wrote:
>
>>If you ride on city streets, you *must* obey all driving laws. Even though there is no license
>>involved, they (police) **can** deny you the *privilege* of riding on the streets (****side of
>>the streets, and not in the middle of the road****). They have had to go and pick up chairs
>>where the person had been picked up for dui, and the guy who delivered mine said he had actually
>>been called to the jail where one's owner was incarcerated for dui. There is even something in
>>the manual about not driving it while under alcoholic influence. It has been a very real
>>problem. They have flags, and a holder for them on the chair, that extend upward so that people
>>can know they are there. Sounds like this guy needs to put one on his chair. You'll not find
>
>He had nothing of any warning of a very slow moving item. Just
>traveling down the street totally unaware of his surroundings. And,
>damned near got creamed.
hey bruce, this can and does happen all the time, everywhere all over
the world.
Blind man on foot steps off the curb in the middle of the street only
carrying his cane, no seeing eye dog. cane is held close to his body
so no one actually notices it. No one can actually tell for sure the
guy is actually blind.
By law, what is every vehicle on the road required to do.
No opinions, no reactions in anger, just what by law are the drivers
required to do as soon as the pedestrian steps off the curb?
another question: In a parking lot, who has the right way, the
pedestrian or the vehicle trying to park or exit the lot?
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Ma¢k
<wba...@panix.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of
usenet:
>W. Baker <wba...@panix.com> wrote:
Here's the thing, those signs do not restrict access to those roads
only, they are simply a courtesy to warn drivers that those roads are
frequently used by them. The buggies driving to the right side of the
road may be what is required on their part, however they are still
entitled to the full space of the lane. If vehicles were traveling
along side them, not simply passing, those vehicles would be breaking
the law. The same goes for a bicyclist, they are supposed to stay to
the right of the lane in most situations, but not when turning left,
etc. However they still have the use of the full section of the lane
all the way to the center line. A driver can pass them, but cannot
drive side by side with them.
A driver who thinks others wise needs to go to his Local DMV and get a
drivers ed book and read up on the rules of the road before landing in
front of a traffic judge. Those judges don't care what you think the
law is.
Roger Zoul
:: Here's the thing, those signs do not restrict access to those roads
:: only, they are simply a courtesy to warn drivers that those roads are
:: frequently used by them. The buggies driving to the right side of
:: the road may be what is required on their part, however they are
:: still entitled to the full space of the lane. If vehicles were
:: traveling along side them, not simply passing, those vehicles would
:: be breaking the law. The same goes for a bicyclist, they are
:: supposed to stay to the right of the lane in most situations, but
:: not when turning left, etc. However they still have the use of the
:: full section of the lane all the way to the center line. A driver
:: can pass them, but cannot drive side by side with them.
Another fine point....a bicyclist can fully take the lane if it is dangerous
to be as far to the right as practicable.
Hence, if there are debris or potholes, or if the road is too narrow to
safely allow cars to pass, the bicyclist (or any thing else) has the right
to use the entire lane. Passing cars must do so in the lane of opposing
traffic and only when it is safe to do so.
::
:: A driver who thinks others wise needs to go to his Local DMV and get
:: a drivers ed book and read up on the rules of the road before
:: landing in front of a traffic judge. Those judges don't care what
:: you think the law is.
::
Exactly.
Priscilla H. Ballou
Hi_Therre <Bru...@Rosebud.com> wrote:
> Think about it. This damn chair has a low profile. very low speed,
> and is hard to see. Combine that with a curve, and tall grass, and
> you have the formula of total hell for everybody. This damned chair
> does not belong on this street. It presents a very dangerous traffic
> hazard, and is just too dangerous for everybody.
I doubt very strongly that it was legal for the old guy to be on the
highway in an electric wheelchair. Some vehicles are rated for highway
driving and some aren't. I suspect his mind wasn't very clear for him
to have been there in that chair.
Priscilla
Howard S Shubs
Hi_Therre <Bru...@Rosebud.com> wrote:
> Very well said. People demanding their rights and riding a 4 mph
> chair with a low visual profile down a 45 mph traffic route is
> suicidal and presents a dramatic danger to all present. Some day his
> luck will run out and he will be on the 6 o clock news as a result of
> a unbelievable tragedy involving a power chair and a big vehicle.
Nah, he'll just be a statistic. No one will notice. Stupidity is very
common.
> it WILL happen and he will be DEAD.
Darwin.
--
Life is toxic. It leads to death and
too much of it at once can kill you.
ted rosenberg
wheelchairs,
Roger Zoul
:: On Wed, 17 May 2006 18:42:58 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: <roger...@hotmail.com> wrote:
::
::: Cheri wrote:
::::: I don't know if all the "stupid" "old farts" and "bastards" was
::::: necessary Bruce. It makes it sound like you're one of those "road
::::: rage" people that are a Hell of a lot more dangerous than an
::::: incident on a scooter. We have that all the time where I live,
::::: with tractors hauling grape gondolas etc., so we're used to
::::: driving defensively and with caution. Glad you didn't hit him.
:::
::: He's a fucking moron who doesn't even recognize when he is in the
::: wrong.
::
:: It is YOU who is the fucking moron. You can also find yourself in
:: the identical situation. Do you think you are so superior of mind
:: and ability that you could see the chair through the tall grass? It
:: is one thing to shoot your fucking mouth off in a safe Usenet forum,
:: it is a whole different story to tackle a curve and find yourself
:: bearing down on this damned chair. Think about it asshole. I think
:: you would have killed the ol guy. You would be facing manslaughter
:: or a grand jury. Either way, your life is over. Think about it
:: asshole. It is one thing to have a big mouth as you do, but, it is
:: a whole different thing to find yourself bearing down on that damned
:: chair. You do not have any response time. You just react and hope
:: for the best.
::
:: Think about it asshole.
You're too stupid to even debate. But yes, I would have avoided killing the
guy without endangering my own life.
Roger Zoul
:: On Wed, 17 May 2006 13:55:30 -0700, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom>
:: wrote:
::
::: I don't know if all the "stupid" "old farts" and "bastards" was
::: necessary Bruce. It makes it sound like you're one of those "road
::: rage" people that are a Hell of a lot more dangerous than an
::: incident on a scooter. We have that all the time where I live, with
::: tractors hauling grape gondolas etc., so we're used to driving
::: defensively and with caution. Glad you didn't hit him.
::
:: shoes - what would you do if you are rounding a somewhat sharp curve,
:: and all of a sudden, and this damned chair is just a few feet in
:: front of you? And, it is in the middle of the lane moving about
:: walking speed. How would you handle the situation? Do you feel
:: that you could also miss that damn chair? You can't see it until
:: you are almost on top of it due to tall grass on the roadside and
:: the presence of the curve. When I passed him, I remember looking at
:: him. He seemed totally oblivious to the presence that I almost
:: killed him. He was lucky Monday morning. I wonder how many *Lucky*
:: days he has left?
::
:: Let's hope you NEVER come upon this situation. You have no idea how
:: close this ol fool came to being creamed. I doubt most ASD posters
:: could have avoided hitting him.
::
:: As I told Mack, it is one thing to sit here in ASD and make all sorts
:: of claims. It is a whole different situation to actually find
:: yourself bearing down on that god damned chair. If I had hit him, I
:: would either be in jail facing manslaughter or face the convening of
:: a grand jury. Either way, I lose. Loud mouth jerks like rosenberg
:: and Roger Zoul can find themselves in the identical situation at any
:: moment. It is one thing to shoot one's mouth off in a safe usenet
:: forum. It is totally different story to actually experience the
:: moment.
::
:: Let's hope you never have to face such a delimma. If any ASD poster
:: ever faces such a moment, I guarantee that person would not be
:: standing here and shooting his mouth off like a few have done.
::
:: Again Cheri, would you have hit the ol guy? Or, is your visual and
:: physical abilities so acute that you can spot him and respond faster
:: than I did? My answer is you would be shaking in your boots since it
:: would be you that creamed him all over the street.
With any luck, you'll lose your privilege to use the roads before your
dumbass kills someone.
Roger Zoul
:: On Thu, 18 May 2006 08:06:28 -0400, Ma▎
:: <stopt...@shootspammers.com> wrote:
::
::: On Wed, 17 May 2006 16:56:34 -0500, Hi_Therre <Bru...@Rosebud.com>
::: Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:
:::
:::: On Wed, 17 May 2006 12:38:08 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:::: <roger...@hotmail.com> wrote:
::::
::::: So what if there had been a slow moving trackor or some other
::::: kind of vehicle there, instead of this man? Whose fault would it
::::: have been it you had run into that?
::::
:::: A tractor has a big profile. It is easy to see.
::::
:::::
::::: The fact of the matter is that if you come up on a blind curve
::::: and you cannot see what's around the corner, it's your job to
::::: slow down to avoid a possible accident. Had you hit the old man,
::::: you'd deserve to go to jail, IMO.
:::::
:::: Total bullshit. That damn thing does not belong on a high speed
:::: street. That damn chair has a low visual profile. You don't see
:::: it until you are almost on top of it. If anything, keep the damn
:::: thing on a low traffic street.
:::
:::
::: this is where people like you make mistakes all the time bruce.
::: your personal opinions don't mean shit in a court of law.
:: You are sounding like screwball Roger Zoul. In your earlier posting,
:: you sounded like you had a presence of mind. Court of law is
:: meaningless when the ol guy is splattered all over the street. No
:: doubt, a grand jury would be convened if I had creamed the ol guy.
::
:: I hope none of you ever have to face such a situation. I doubt most
:: of you could have reacted as fast as I did. If any of you
:: antagonistic posters actually faced this situation, I guarantee you
:: would be shaking in your god damned boots for quite a while. I have
:: a hunch the antagonistic posters would have creamed the ol guy.
::
:: Let's create a moment - you Mack, if memory serves me correctly, you
:: have neuropathy in your legs from 30+ years of diabetes, and are also
:: blind in one eye. Do you think you could have reacted better than I
:: did? Do you think your one sighted eye could have seen him faster
:: and better than I can? Do you also think that your neuropathy would
:: have constricted you from hitting the brakes as fast as I did? In
:: each case, the logical answer is NO. You, Mack would have creamed
:: the ol guy. He was shielded by tall grass. If your answer to each
:: question is yes, then you must think you are superman, or your large
:: ego is doing your thinking.
::
:: I expected total irrational hate/anger filled postings from fuckwits
:: like Rosenberg and Zoul since that is their daily mindset. Your
:: posting disappoints me.
What a dimbulb you are.....
Roger Zoul
:: On Wed, 17 May 2006 18:42:18 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: <roger...@hotmail.com> wrote:
::
::: Hi_Therre wrote:
::::: On Wed, 17 May 2006 12:38:08 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
::::: <roger...@hotmail.com> wrote:
:::::
:::::: So what if there had been a slow moving trackor or some other
:::::: kind of vehicle there, instead of this man? Whose fault would
:::::: it have been it you had run into that?
:::::
::::: A tractor has a big profile. It is easy to see.
:::
::: all about PROFILE, dimbulb. It makes no difference whatsoever what
::: kind of profile anything has - if you're on the road then it is
::: YOUR responsibility to see what's in the road and it is YOUR
::: responsibility to not drive too fast for road conditions. If you
::: don't see what's in front of you in the road, SLOW THE FUCK DOWN.
:::
:::::
::::::
:::::: The fact of the matter is that if you come up on a blind curve
:::::: and you cannot see what's around the corner, it's your job to
:::::: slow down to avoid a possible accident. Had you hit the old
:::::: man, you'd deserve to go to jail, IMO.
::::::
::::: Total bullshit. That damn thing does not belong on a high speed
::::: street. That damn chair has a low visual profile. You don't see
::::: it until you are almost on top of it. If anything, keep the damn
::::: thing on a low traffic street.
:::
::: on the road? Yeah, you didn't see it because you were driving too
::: fast. Why it is okay for him to be on a low traffic street and who
::: decides what is a low traffic street. If the road isn't marked to
::: disallow his type of traffic, then he is within his rights to use
::: the road.
:::
::: It's obvious that you're too stupid to be anything but a hazard on
::: the road.
:::
::
:: Hey fuckwit - let us hope you never encounter this situation. Your
:: low IQ and big mouth would not prevent you from hitting the chair.
:: When you encounter such a situation, I guarantee you will be shaking
:: in your boots for a long time. It is one thing to sit here an shoot
:: your mouth off in a usenet forum, it is a whole different thing to
:: find that god damned chair just a few feet in front of you. Do you
:: think you have the ability to slam on the brakes and cut a very sharp
:: left turn to avoid hitting the ol fool? You cannot see the chair due
:: to tall grass. It can happen to you also. I have a hunch your bad
:: attitude would have creamed the ol guy.
Dimbulb, if you can't see the road, why are going charging forth? SLOW THE
FUCK DOWN.
Roger Zoul
:: On Thu, 18 May 2006 08:12:57 -0400, Ma▎
:: <stopt...@shootspammers.com> wrote:
::
::: On Wed, 17 May 2006 16:56:53 -0500, Hi_Therre <Bru...@Rosebud.com>
::: Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:
:::
:::: On Wed, 17 May 2006 19:20:19 GMT, "Billie"
:::: <love.my...@kittycats.net> wrote:
::::
::::: If you ride on city streets, you *must* obey all driving laws.
::::: Even though there is no license involved, they (police) **can**
::::: deny you the *privilege* of riding on the streets (****side of
::::: the streets, and not in the middle of the road****). They have
::::: had to go and pick up chairs where the person had been picked up
::::: for dui, and the guy who delivered mine said he had actually been
::::: called to the jail where one's owner was incarcerated for dui.
::::: There is even something in the manual about not driving it while
::::: under alcoholic influence. It has been a very real problem.
::::: They have flags, and a holder for them on the chair, that extend
::::: upward so that people can know they are there. Sounds like this
::::: guy needs to put one on his chair. You'll not find
::::
:::: He had nothing of any warning of a very slow moving item. Just
:::: traveling down the street totally unaware of his surroundings.
:::: And, damned near got creamed.
:::
::: hey bruce, this can and does happen all the time, everywhere all
::: over the world.
:: A very good and valid point. It happens all the time? It shouldn't
:: happen. The damn power chair does not belong in 45 50 mph traffic.
:: No one wins when such carnage occurs. When it happens, the public
:: starts screaming as to why isn't there a law preventing that damn
:: chair from going down a high traffic, high speed street. The tall
:: grass on the roadside shields the chair from the drivers view. You
:: don't see the damn thing until you are on top of him. We all lucked
:: out in that traffic was light, and I was able to swerve into the
:: left lane.
::
::: Blind man on foot steps off the curb in the middle of the street
::: only carrying his cane, no seeing eye dog. cane is held close to
::: his body so no one actually notices it. No one can actually tell
::: for sure the guy is actually blind.
:: As in the case of hitting the chair, we all lose. The problem is
:: that these damn chairs are becoming more used as a means of
:: transportation on our streets.
::
:::
::: By law, what is every vehicle on the road required to do.
:::
::: No opinions, no reactions in anger, just what by law are the drivers
::: required to do as soon as the pedestrian steps off the curb?
:::
::: another question: In a parking lot, who has the right way, the
::: pedestrian or the vehicle trying to park or exit the lot
:: All very good questions with no good answers. It is one thing
:: reading about such an incident in usenet. It is a whole different
:: situation to actually experience such a moment. It rattles your
:: cage very thoroughly for quite a while knowing you almost creamed
:: that stupid ol fool. No winners either way.
You simply cannot admit that had you not been charging forth into a road
that you didn't have a clear view of that you could have avoiding this
entire incident. Can you be this stupid or do you play a moron on TV?
Roger Zoul
:: On Thu, 18 May 2006 03:13:47 GMT, "Saxology" <saxolo...@yahoo.com>
:: wrote:
::
:::
::: "ted rosenberg" <tedros...@iname.com> wrote in message
::: news:e4fq2a$bpr$1...@emma.aioe.org...
:::: Uncle Enrico wrote:
::::: I don't think you'd be in jail for vehicular manslaughter given
::::: the circumstances, but the AARP may come after you for this post.
::::: :)
:::::
::::: If you see him again, you might want to call 911. Maybe the
::::: police can pull him over without one of those lengthy chases we
::::: often see on TV.
:::::
::::: Was he wearing a seatbelt?
:::::
:::::
::::: "Hi_Therre" <Bru...@Rosebud.com> wrote in message
:::: <snip>
:::: WHY ? he has a right to use the road, unless it is a marked
:::: limited access highway.
::::
:::: Hi_There better keep his speeding out of Ohio, Maryland and
:::: Pennsylvania - he might run into a horse and buggy.
:::
::: You have to have one of those big orange triangles on a slow moving
::: critter to be legal near me, same in PA when I lived there some
::: years ago. either way, dead is dead...
::: -Sax
:::
::
:: You got it. Some things are a bad mix regardlessr of your
:: perspective. The outcome is always the same - someone gets creamed.
:: Power chairs do not belong in traffic.
That maybe your opinion, but you always should not charge into a road that
you cannot see clearly. What if there had been a huge, hidden sink hole?
Roger Zoul
:: On Wed, 17 May 2006 17:06:21 -0400, ted rosenberg
:: <tedros...@iname.com> wrote:
::
::: Uncle Enrico wrote:
:::: "ted rosenberg" <tedros...@iname.com> wrote in message
:::: news:e4fq2a$bpr$1...@emma.aioe.org...
::::
::::: WHY ? he has a right to use the road, unless it is a marked
::::: limited access highway.
::::
::::
:::: He may have a "right" to drive a 4 mph scooter on a roadway with
:::: blind curves and 45 mph traffic on it but it may be "wrong" in the
:::: grand scheme of things. We have many "rights" that are ultimately
:::: wrong and this may be one of them.
::::
:::: I would also caution Hi-Therre to slow down on curves.
::::
::::
::: Don't Bother, Brucie boy is just a jerk, and has no concern for
::: others.
::
:: Teddeeeeeeeeee is ASD's biggest psycho terrorist. This fuckwit is
:: nothing but a total loser with an IQ of 3 and a mouth filled with
:: nothing but filth.
And exactly how are you any different or any better, Dimbulb?
::
:::
::: Scooter users and Power wheelchair users have a RIGHT to use the
::: road, and may have to. My daughter spent her senior year in a
::: scooter, and had to ride up MD 213 to get to class each day and to
::: get to the supermarket to go shopping. She used sidewalks when
::: possible, minimized trips, and removed the governor, but the road
::: is for everyone.
::
:: Power chairs DO NOT belong on a high speed, high traffic street you
:: ignorant stupid fuckwit. They move about at the speed of walking,
:: about 3 mph.
Do the laws of your state/city/country prohibit it? If so, why didn't you
report the incident?
::
:::
::: She is out of the scooter and onto a bicycle now, which she usually
::: rides on the street where you are required by law to ride in the
::: lane. She rides over 1000 miles a month (I know, I think she is
::: crazy too), and rarely gets into accidents except when someone cuts
::: her off and she hits them.
::
:: Then she has the same stupid, reckless, and grotesque mindset as you
:: indicate here. Dipshits like that are the ones who make headlines on
:: the 6 o clock news and create massive amounts of carnage when a
:: horrible incident takes place when a truck and power chair collide at
:: 50 mph.
Dimbulbs like you are more the problem since you can't see your own faults.
::
:: I suppose you are of such a stupid fucking mindset that you advised
:: your daughter to actually ride that power chair in high speed traffic
:: claiming that she has the right to be on any street she desires.
:: Totally ignorant of the logical ramifications of such stupidity.
:: Rosenberg, you have to be the most stupid fucked up in the head
:: individual ever put on this earth.
::
:::
::: The Amish and some Mennonites use horse and buggy, they use the
::: roads, and you better watch out for him. I assume Brucie would
::: complain about them too, but he probably has never come east.
::
:: This stupid statement typifies your IQ of 3. God, you are a true
:: loser. A total fuckwit by any standard of measurement.
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:: Ted Rosenberg is a Fanatical Screwball
I don't know much about Ted, but you're sure sound exactly like the kind of
person you claim him to be.
Billie
Central, with all the pedestrians/strollers, horse/buggy, Duck boat, etc., is 35. It feels like
taking your life in your own hands when crossing the street towards the Arlington, the way the
road curves in that area, and with the odd positioning of the side street off of Central along
the Arlington, towards the entrance to the road up the mountain.
My gosh, what would happen if someone rode a scooter/wheelchair along Central during the
races!!!! Cars can just barely make it through there, much less anything smaller. It has been
several years since we were there. I imagine there has been lots of growth on the south part of
town.
I have contacted a Federal judge friend in Little Rock to find out what our laws are concerning
these scooters/wheelchairs. I know what I was *told* but I want to find out for sure.
Hopefully, Jim will get my email before calling it a day, since his addy is his uscourts addy.
If I do not hear from him as soon as I'd like, there are some others I can call. Oops, forgot
my daughter could easily find out since she works for an attorney, however, I think she is
already gone for the day. Oh, I'll find someone who knows the legal standing.
Billie
A Happy Pumper and new Power Chair user in Arkansas!
bh-wages @ swbell.net
Pumping with MiniMed Paradigm 715, 2/06 Humalog. Symlin, 20u
"Home is where my kitties are."
"Hi_Therre" <Bru...@Rosebud.com> wrote in message
news:30dp621pit1j2m459...@4ax.com...
: >We all get lucky sometimes, the OP, me, that ol' bastard in the scooter!
: >-Sax
: >
: At least someone is making some sense. I think the scooter you
: describe is a small motorcycle of 50 cc and goes about 35 mph. These
: things are popular with area teenagers. You can easily see them above
: tall grass. This wasn't that. This was a power chair, just a wheel
: chair with a DC motor. It moves about 4 mph, the average speed of
: walking. You can't see the damn thing around a curve with tall grass
: due to its low profile. You are on top of the damn thing before you
: can safely react and bring the truck to a safe stop. All you can do
: is slam the brakes and make a sharp left turn and hope for the best.
: Luckily there was no one in the left lane otherwise there would have
: been a multiple tragedy. The left lane car would have broadsided me,
: and since the truck was having a tendency to overturn due to my making
: such a sharp left turn, the truck would have rolled over on its right
: side on top of the chair. The ol guy and I would be dead, and the
: left lane car driver would most likely be seriously hurt due to this
: damn chair being in a high speed traffic street.
:
: Think about it. This damn chair has a low profile. very low speed,
Unknown
I don't post here very often, but I read everyday. I'll stay out of
the fray as to who has rights to do what. I won't even touch that. I
do kind of feel that the guy probably wasn't protecting his own safety
as well as he could have. And perhaps now when you approach that
curve, you'll slow down a bit at the memory.
In reading the initial post I was pretty much feeling your frustration
and fear until you continued on with the epithets. That was over the
top, even if you were scared witless and the guy wasn't paying very
good attention.
What got my attention though, and makes me wonder. If you know your
neighbor might be putting herself in danger because she has no other
form of transportation -- you keep saying you have no answer for her.
What I wonder is, have you ever offered to help her so that maybe she
wouldn't do the going out in traffic thing so often? Offer to pick
stuff up for her? Offer her a ride? The chair could go in the bed of
the truck. Being worried for her is a nice enough sentiment. But
perhaps offering a hand would be a nice answer.
Just a thought.
Roger Zoul
:: On Thu, 18 May 2006 13:19:49 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: <roger...@hotmail.com> wrote:
::
::: Ma˘k wrote:
:::
::::: Here's the thing, those signs do not restrict access to those
::::: roads only, they are simply a courtesy to warn drivers that those
::::: roads are frequently used by them. The buggies driving to the
::::: right side of the road may be what is required on their part,
::::: however they are still entitled to the full space of the lane.
::::: If vehicles were traveling along side them, not simply passing,
::::: those vehicles would be breaking the law. The same goes for a
::::: bicyclist, they are supposed to stay to the right of the lane in
::::: most situations, but not when turning left, etc. However they
::::: still have the use of the full section of the lane all the way to
::::: the center line. A driver can pass them, but cannot drive side
::::: by side with them.
:::
::: Another fine point....a bicyclist can fully take the lane if it is
::: dangerous to be as far to the right as practicable.
:::
::: Hence, if there are debris or potholes, or if the road is too
::: narrow to safely allow cars to pass, the bicyclist (or any thing
::: else) has the right to use the entire lane. Passing cars must do so
::: in the lane of opposing traffic and only when it is safe to do so.
:::
:: There we go again with this *Right* to do as you wish on the road.
:: When a bicycle tangles with a 4000 lb vechicle, the bicycle rider
:: always loses. There is no winner. Learn to use some common sense.
That's the problem right there...you think bikes and 4000 lb vehicles need
to "tangle". None have exclusive right to use the roadways...they must be
shared. Your right only exists up until the point where it limits might.
But the fact is you're just too damn stupid and sad to see any point of view
but your own.
Howard S Shubs
Hi_Therre <Bru...@Rosebud.com> wrote:
> I think you are totally wrong.
Shit like that happens ALL THE TIME. Why do you think this one would be
different? Just because it was an old fart in a scooter? Be more
likely to make a new FSC (Federal Scooter Commission) to regulate the
things.
Chakolate
news:qpdm62daj07fina70...@4ax.com:
> Monday morning we were heading to Walmart and were doing about 45 mph.
> Good thing traffic was light. We rounded a curve and came upon this
> ol fart also heading eastbound. You will never guess what he was
> riding in, or on, - a god damned scooter, you know a powered chair,
> like Billie and Guy use. This section of street is somewhat high
> speed at 40 mph, most people do 50 mph. It has a curve which
> sometimes you come up on slow moving vehicles quite quickly. All of a
> sudden we were on top of this stupid ol bastard. If the left lane
> were not clear, I would probably be in jail for vehicular
> manslaughter, since I would have creamed this stupid ol bastard. As
> it was, I almost rolled the truck over since I was forced to make such
> a sharp left turn to avoid hitting this stupid ol bastard. The worst
> part is, when we swerved around him, he appeared to be totally unaware
> that we almost creamed his stupid ass.
>
Hmm. You were speeding into a blind curve, but *he* was stupid.
Your logic is as warped as your driving.
Chak
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A good world needs knowledge, kindliness, and courage; it does not need a
regretful hankering after the past, or a fettering of the free
intelligence by the words uttered long ago by ignorant men.
--Bertrand Russell
Roger Zoul
:: Hi, Hi-Therre
::
:: I don't post here very often, but I read everyday. I'll stay out of
:: the fray as to who has rights to do what. I won't even touch that.
:: I do kind of feel that the guy probably wasn't protecting his own
:: safety as well as he could have.
Have you ever noticed that on limited access roadways there typically a
minimum speed as well as a maximum speed posted?
Have you ever notice that on other roadways there is only a maximum speed
posted?
Someone is not protecting his own safety for exercising a right to use the
road while moving well under the maximum speed limit is different than
someone flying into a blind curve. In the former case the slow moving
person is breaking no law and isn't endangering the life of another. In the
latter case.....
:: And perhaps now when you approach
W.M.McKee
wrote:amn chair being in a high speed traffic street.
>
>Think about it. This damn chair has a low profile. very low speed,
>and is hard to see. Combine that with a curve, and tall grass, and
>you have the formula of total hell for everybody. This damned chair
>does not belong on this street. It presents a very dangerous traffic
>hazard, and is just too dangerous for everybody.
Hi Bruce,
I have been following this thread with interest...
It reminds me a little bit of the story of the young man spotted at
38,000 ft. by a commercial jetliner, while he was sitting in a
lawnchair to which were affixed a number of helium filled balloons.
His means of descent was a BB gun, with which he shot out enough of
the balloons, so as to gently lower him to ground level when and where
he was ready....
On the other hand, all human life is sacred... It is a gift from the
ineffable, something none of us can understand. I submit, that it is
simply not satisfactory to label someone as a fool, and when he dies
to say he deserved it....
We must all take care to avoid tragedy, whenever we can avoid it. I am
really glad that in this instance the person did not die. Thank you
for being careful. I would not want to be the one who hit the " fool".
Will, T2
Cheri
have been any number of reasons, and not just a joyride on a busy
street. I'm glad it turned out well for everybody.
--
Cheri
W.M.McKee wrote in message ...
>
>Hi Bruce,
Cheri
they didn't happen, so I moved on and let the "almost had an accident
because of someone elses stupidity" go within a minute or two. You
didn't hit him either, so I think your intense anger at the situation is
a little odd Bruce. JMO
Cheri
Cheri
did? I'm sure most of us could as far as stopping the vehicle goes, but
you're right, we probably wouldn't have "reacted as fast" with such
intense anger. Somebody disagreeing with your assessment, doesn't make
them "antagonistic posters" either.
--
Cheri
Hi_Therre wrote in message ...
>I hope none of you ever have to face such a situation. I doubt most
>of you could have reacted as fast as I did. If any of you
>antagonistic posters actually faced this situation, I guarantee you
>would be shaking in your god damned boots for quite a while. I have a
>hunch the antagonistic posters would have creamed the ol guy.
Cheri
thread has been atrocious, not that I mind...it's usenet and I don't
care how people express themselves, but it makes me
think...pot...kettle.
--
Cheri
Hi_Therre wrote in message ...
>I am glad you and Uncle Enrico find humor in this subject. Would
>either of you find such humor if you found yourself in the identical
>situation? Do you think you could react as fast as I did and miss the
>stupid ol fool? You can't see the damn chair due to tall grass. The
>damn grass shields the chair from your view. Think about it - how
>would you react in such a moment?
>
>I expect hate/anger filled postings from the total fuckwit Rosenberg,
>but a few of you disappoint me.
Howard S Shubs
W.M.McKee <wmm...@cox.net> wrote:
> It reminds me a little bit of the story of the young man spotted at
> 38,000 ft. by a commercial jetliner, while he was sitting in a
> lawnchair to which were affixed a number of helium filled balloons.
> His means of descent was a BB gun, with which he shot out enough of
> the balloons, so as to gently lower him to ground level when and where
> he was ready....
Yes, and he committed suicide a few years later.
Unknown
Hi, Roger,
I wasn't debating right/wrong. Personally, I have no knowledge of
traffic regulations in Arkansas. I did a little googling and there is
not specific mention of Motorized Wheelchairs that I could find aside
from a few individual communities that have written in their codes
that Power Wheelchairs are not street legal in their communities.
I view this as more of a rights/responsibility situation. Since I
don't know the laws of that community, I have no idea if the man in
the chair had the "right" to be on the street for more than simply
getting from one side to the other. He did however, in my opinion
have the rights that a pedestrian might which is to expect reasonable
care from drivers. That said, every right comes with responsibility
and this person (IMHO) had the responsibility to mind his
surroundings. We Americans have come to view our ability to drive as
a right. It isn't. Driving is a priviledge. And, priviledges carry
with them responsibility. (okay...can you tell that I have raised
teenagers through their early driving years?) The responsibility of
the driver is also to mind his surroundings and to drive with
sufficient care to avoid unexpected hazards. You know...The deer that
darts out, the guy with the flat tire, the lady whose fanbelt broke
right then, or the kid who pops out from between cars on one of those
razor scooter things. Tragically, an acquaintance of mine lost her
son because he was on one of those contraptions and zipped out and
got nailed by a driver. To that mother, does it really matter who had
the right to be where? Does that right matter to the driver who hit
him? That will all be hashed out by the court. And in the end, the
mother has no son and the driver will likely have nightmares forever.
To me, rights/priviledge/responsibility all get trumped by common
sense, which, sadly, is all too lacking.
The purpose of my original post was to make a suggestion as to how
Hi-Therre might assist the wheelchair neighbor that he expressed
concern for, but had no answers for her dilemma.
Wes Groleau
> Monday morning we were heading to Walmart and were doing about 45 mph.
> Good thing traffic was light. We rounded a curve and came upon this
> ol fart also heading eastbound. You will never guess what he was
> riding in, or on, - a god damned scooter, you know a powered chair,
If you had trouble avoiding hitting a four MPH scooter,
then you were driving too fast. Of course you didn't
expect it--just like you wouldn't expect a stopped vehicle,
or the 350-pound air compressor that I saw some fool trying
to stand up in the back of a pickup.
In the first case, the guy on the scooter was foolish
but legal, and YOU would have gotten the ticket if you
had hit him.
In the second case, YOU would have gotten the ticket,
too.
With the air-compressor that bounced out of the pickup,
you may not have been ticketed, but good luck trying
to recover damages from the dingbat that dropped it.
He was trying to keep it in the truck with his hands
instead of with a rope, so of course he bounced out with it.
Moral of the story is: drive as if Mr. Magoo is driving
the wrong way just past the limits of your vision.
--
Wes Groleau
Is it an on-line compliment to call someone a Net Wit ?
Wes Groleau
> :: still entitled to the full space of the lane. If vehicles were
> :: traveling along side them, not simply passing, those vehicles would
> :: be breaking the law. The same goes for a bicyclist, they are
Yes, when on the bike, you have pretty much the same rights and
responsibilities (no more and no less) as anything else on
wheels--including STAYING OFF THE SIDEWALK and staying on the
RIGHT half of the road (in most parts of the USA, I can't speak
for Britain).
When walking the bike, you have the same rights and responsibilities
as any other pedestrian (no more and no less).
--
Wes Groleau
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Wes Groleau
> [rosenberg's] head is so filled with anger
> and hate, he has no room left for common sense. Rosenberg belongs in
> a rubber room.
Ted indeed has problems. Unfortunately, in posts like this one,
you tend to sound just like him.
--
Wes Groleau
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W.M.McKee
wrote:
>In article <g65q62dpn1efmufos...@4ax.com>,
> W.M.McKee <wmm...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> It reminds me a little bit of the story of the young man spotted at
>> 38,000 ft. by a commercial jetliner, while he was sitting in a
>> lawnchair to which were affixed a number of helium filled balloons.
>> His means of descent was a BB gun, with which he shot out enough of
>> the balloons, so as to gently lower him to ground level when and where
>> he was ready....
>
>Yes, and he committed suicide a few years later.
Thanks, Howard
Nevertheless, what ultimately happened to him does not diminish his
fundamental humanity.... Actually, I am saddened by the news of your
post.
Will, T2
Howard S Shubs
W.M.McKee <wmm...@cox.net> wrote:
> Nevertheless, what ultimately happened to him does not diminish his
> fundamental humanity.... Actually, I am saddened by the news of your
> post.
See the Darwin Awards site for details.
<http://darwinawards.com/stupid/stupid1998-11.html>
Chris Malcolm
> On Wed, 17 May 2006 13:55:30 -0700, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom>
> wrote:
>>I don't know if all the "stupid" "old farts" and "bastards" was
>>necessary Bruce. It makes it sound like you're one of those "road rage"
>>people that are a Hell of a lot more dangerous than an incident on a
>>scooter. We have that all the time where I live, with tractors hauling
>>grape gondolas etc., so we're used to driving defensively and with
>>caution. Glad you didn't hit him.
> You have no idea on what you are talking about. Put yourself in my
> shoes - what would you do if you are rounding a somewhat sharp curve,
> and all of a sudden, and this damned chair is just a few feet in front
> of you? And, it is in the middle of the lane moving about walking
> speed. How would you handle the situation? Do you feel that you
> could also miss that damn chair?
Of course I would. If I was going round a blind corner I'd be going at
a speed where I could either stop or swerve round a hazard in the
place I couldn't see. I don't know if you US drivers have something
like our UK Highway Code booklet which is issued by the Govt to advise
people how they should drive, and which they are expected to answer
questions on in order to pass the driving test.
The kind of answers you've been giving to this blind corner problem
would fail you the UK driving test.
> You can't see it until you are
> almost on top of it due to tall grass on the roadside and the presence
> of the curve.
It could have been a lot worse. There could have been a low sports car
stopped there with a broken engine, a lot wider and harder to avoid
than a powered chair. There could have been a crashed motorcycle and
an injured rider lying there.
> When I passed him, I remember looking at him. He
> seemed totally oblivious to the presence that I almost killed him. He
> was lucky Monday morning. I wonder how many *Lucky* days he has left?
I wonder how many you have left?
> Let's hope you NEVER come upon this situation. You have no idea how
> close this ol fool came to being creamed. I doubt most ASD posters
> could have avoided hitting him.
I sincerely hope most ASD posters don't drive like you.
> As I told Mack, it is one thing to sit here in ASD and make all sorts
> of claims. It is a whole different situation to actually find
> yourself bearing down on that god damned chair. If I had hit him, I
> would either be in jail facing manslaughter or face the convening of a
> grand jury. Either way, I lose.
Of course you would, because you were driving like an asshole and
killed someone.
> Loud mouth jerks like rosenberg and
> Roger Zoul can find themselves in the identical situation at any
> moment. It is one thing to shoot one's mouth off in a safe usenet
> forum. It is totally different story to actually experience the
> moment.
It's got nothing to do with loud mouths. It's got to do with driving
like an asshole.
> Let's hope you never have to face such a delimma. If any ASD poster
> ever faces such a moment, I guarantee that person would not be
> standing here and shooting his mouth off like a few have done.
There is the possibility that even if they had ben driving like an
asshole, that they might have learned something from the experience.
> Again Cheri, would you have hit the ol guy? Or, is your visual and
> physical abilities so acute that you can spot him and respond faster
> than I did?
No need for super fast responses if you drive at speeds consonant with
how much road ahead you can see to be clear. It's what you're supposed
to do. If you drive in the way you describe I'm surprised the police
haven't already taken the opportunity to tell you that.
--
Chris Malcolm c...@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
Chris Malcolm
> On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:31:46 -0400, Howard S Shubs <how...@shubs.net>
> wrote:
>>In article <7tcp62pqbf3dqa9am...@4ax.com>,
>> Hi_Therre <Bru...@Rosebud.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Very well said. People demanding their rights and riding a 4 mph
>>> chair with a low visual profile down a 45 mph traffic route is
>>> suicidal and presents a dramatic danger to all present. Some day his
>>> luck will run out and he will be on the 6 o clock news as a result of
>>> a unbelievable tragedy involving a power chair and a big vehicle.
>>
>>Nah, he'll just be a statistic. No one will notice. Stupidity is very
>>common.
>>
> I think you are totally wrong. The visual effects of the accident
> would hit the local news like a huge volcano. There would be no way
> to ignore or conclude it as an example of gross stupidity for this
> chair being on that high speed street. It would be so unbelievable,
> that it could not be ignored. Stupidity is an understatement, but the
> vehicle driver most likely would be held accountable. As a minimum, I
> think a grand jury would be held to determine if the driver is liable.
> I don't see how it could be written off as stupidity since he would be
> smeared all over the street.
> I hope nobody reading this never has to experience such a horrible
> moment. It shakes you up pretty good for some time.
Of course it does. There's a very good reason why it shakes you up so
badly. You're supposed to learn from that kind nasty experience how to
avoid having it happen to you again. What is your objection to
learning from this experience?
W.M.McKee
wrote:
>In article <qkeq625budummfsgt...@4ax.com>,
> W.M.McKee <wmm...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Nevertheless, what ultimately happened to him does not diminish his
>> fundamental humanity.... Actually, I am saddened by the news of your
>> post.
>
>See the Darwin Awards site for details.
><http://darwinawards.com/stupid/stupid1998-11.html>
Thanks, Howard.
Yes, Larry Walters seems to have had some adjustment problems. But, in
an odd way, he has enriched us all by his little stunt, if only by
causing us to laugh a little at his amazing imagination, and
wonder....
I think he was pretty cool.
Will, T2