Re: Urgent Education Advocacy Alert for Parents in New York State
Raving Loonie
> [A copy of the full alert is posted at
> http://www.tourettesyndrome.net/actionalert071606.htm. A downloadable
> pdf version of the alert is at
> http://www.tourettesyndrome.net/Files/ActionAlert_ABI.pdf]
>
> As you may have heard already, a new set of "emergency" education
> regulations have been approved by the Board of Regents. Despite
> claiming to bar or prohibit certain things, these regulations actually
> open the door for all public schools, BOCES, state-approved private
> special education schools and the NYS Schools for the Blind and Deaf
> to use corporal punishment, aversives (such as painful electric skin
> shock), restraints, and time out rooms for children and teens with
> disabilities.
>
> NYSED enacted these new regulations even though they admit that there
> is no research supporting the use of most of these techniques. There
> is certainly no research validation for using most of these techniques
> in public school settings.
>
> There are already at least 23 school districts in NYS currently
> recommending the use of aversive behavioral interventions for disabled
> students, and probably many more already using aversive behavioral
> interventions without documenting what they have been doing to
> disabled children.
>
> These regulations need to be approved again at the Board of Regents
> meeting scheduled for September 11-12 in Albany. We all need to take
> action now. You have an opportunity to respond to these new
> regulations. See the State's notice at
> http://www.vesid.nysed.gov/specialed/behavioral/publichearing.htm on
> how to provide feedback and deadlines for providing feedback.
>
> You can read the new regulations online at
> http://www.regents.nysed.gov/2006Meetings/June2006/0606emscvesida1.htm
> or get the pdf version at
> http://www.tourettesyndrome.net/Files/Cort_060606.pdf.
>
> To give you an idea how bad these regulations are, as per the new
> approved regulations:
>
> 1. Corporal punishment is barred -- except that a teacher can
> apparently use restraint and physical force on a child to protect the
> school's property or to remove the child or stop the child from
> interfering with a school function - even if the property is a 3-cent
> crayon and even if what the child is doing is a symptom of their
> disability (e.g., perseveratively asking questions or repeatedly
> tapping the crayon on the desk).
>
> 2. Children can be put in time out rooms with no specific
> requirements as to the staff training required for the person who
> monitors the child while the child is in the room, no medical
> assessment to see if time out would be dangerous for the child, no
> psychological assessment to determine if time out would be traumatic
> for the child, and no limit on how long a child can be put in time out
> for.
>
> 3. School personnel can use "aversive behavioral interventions" such
> as painful electric skin shock if they get a waiver to use it for the
> child. Other "aversives" that they may now use if they obtain a
> "waiver" include putting a child out in the cold without adequate
> clothing, withholding essential hydration or nutrition, using noxious
> sprays in the child's face or making them inhale noxious scents,
> depriving them of sleep, and using "deep muscle squeezes" or
> "strangling."
>
> 4. School districts can obtain waivers to use "aversive behavioral
> interventions" for a specific child by applying to the Commissioner
> of Education's office, who will send the request to an "expert panel"
> who will review the student's records. The panel then advises the
> Commissioner and the district, but it is up to the child's Committee
> on Special Education (CSE) or Committee on Preschool Special Education
> (CPSE) to decide whether to grant itself the waiver. Thus, the very
> same people who may have failed to order helpful diagnostic
> evaluations or related services may now approve the use of aversive
> behavioral interventions on a child. The new regulations do not
> mandate that any child being recommended for aversive behavioral
> interventions must have a psychiatric evaluation or a neurological
> evaluation at public expense before the CSE or CPSE can recommend or
> implement an aversive behavioral intervention. The new regulations do
> not require regular monitoring by medical and doctoral-level mental
> health professionals to insure the child's health and safety.
>
> 5, School personnel can use restraints (mechanical) on children as
> part of a planned behavior intervention program. There is no time
> limit on how long the child or teen can be kept in mechanical
> restraints.
>
> Disabled children and teens require more protections when aversive
> behavioral interventions are implemented in school settings, not fewer
> protections. At the very least, NYSED should have incorporated all
> relevant federal protections concerning the use of restraints and
> seclusion (what NYS calls time out rooms). It didn't.
>
> All relevant federal policies and commissions firmly state that
> restraints, time out, and 'aversives' should only be used for genuine
> safety emergencies, they should be used with significant medical and
> psychological/psychiatric protections, and they should never be used
> as punishment. NYSED's new regulations do exactly the opposite by
> specifically allowing these techniques to be used as planned
> consequences for non-emergency situations and by failing to require
> even minimum health and safety protections.
>
> To read the entire action alert, with background on why NYSED did this
> and suggestions for how to write to your Regent and NYSED, please see
> the full alert at:
> http://www.tourettesyndrome.net/actionalert071606.htm
Did you earn your PhD from the back of a cereal box?
The x-no-archive makes a mockery of your message.
... IMO.
This is at least, the second time that you have done such a thing.
If you wish for me to respect what you have posted whilst wagging the
the initials "PhD" in my face; have the sense and decency to stand by
what you post publicly.
Methinks, you are a phony ...
Bugger off.
[ BTW, you spelled "alt.suppport.tourette" wrong ... ]
Marcia
No, no RL. She's the real deal. I remember her from another NG quite a
few years back. Expert on Tourette (however its spelled; Groups has no
spellchecker), very dedicated and kind professional.
You may not be familiar with her b/c she apparently doesn't post here
much any more, but she's legitimate.
marcia
Marcia
> http://www.tourettesyndrome.net/actionalert071606.htm. A downloadable
> pdf version of the alert is at
> http://www.tourettesyndrome.net/Files/ActionAlert_ABI.pdf]
>
> As you may have heard already, a new set of "emergency" education
> regulations have been approved by the Board of Regents. Despite
> claiming to bar or prohibit certain things, these regulations actually
> open the door for all public schools, BOCES, state-approved private
> special education schools and the NYS Schools for the Blind and Deaf
> to use corporal punishment, aversives (such as painful electric skin
> shock), restraints, and time out rooms for children and teens with
> disabilities.
Talk about human rights violations! Do you have to be a resident of NY
to protest, or can anyone join in?
marcia
Raving Loonie
that she should stick to her gumption.
Let me guess ...
She is playing coy and insecure so that people will take more notice of
what she posts.
Thus, I am providing her with what she seeks ...
===> Controversy <===
Whoopee.
Sosueme
Raving Loonie wrote:
> Did you earn your PhD from the back of a cereal box?
>
> The x-no-archive makes a mockery of your message.
>
> ... IMO.
>
> This is at least, the second time that you have done such a thing.
>
> If you wish for me to respect what you have posted whilst wagging the
> the initials "PhD" in my face; have the sense and decency to stand by
> what you post publicly.
>
> Methinks, you are a phony ...
>
>
> Bugger off.
>
> [ BTW, you spelled "alt.suppport.tourette" wrong ... ]
What a flamer!
Surely you know that the polymorphous parade of perverted
pharmaceutical marketeers, porno kings, child porno buffs, convicted
child molesters, S & M freaks and the gutless anonymous lying stalking
filth are all going to reply to your posts with the usual LIES about
what a wonderful person their malignant leader is.
Raving Loonie
> Raving Loonie wrote:
> > Did you earn your PhD from the back of a cereal box?
> >
> > The x-no-archive makes a mockery of your message.
> >
> > ... IMO.
> >
> > This is at least, the second time that you have done such a thing.
> >
> > If you wish for me to respect what you have posted whilst wagging the
> > the initials "PhD" in my face; have the sense and decency to stand by
> > what you post publicly.
> >
> > Methinks, you are a phony ...
> >
> >
> > Bugger off.
> >
> > [ BTW, you spelled "alt.suppport.tourette" wrong ... ]
Eh?
> What a flamer!
I was referring to academic integrity, here.
Taking the effort to make a strong, persuasive statement and
concurrently asserting that it should not be archived. ......
... s m e l l s b a d
MothWrangler
> parents/individuals outside of NYS think, but I can think of one way
> parents outside of NY might be of real help:
>
> If your child was harmed by the inappropriate use of a behavioral or
> aversive intervention, then if you can document that, we might be able
> to compile a list of real examples of why these new regs are dangerous
> and why they should be withdrawn. We already know that NYSED has
> gotten a lot of complaints about misuse/abuse of time out rooms from
> NYS parents (and there are at least two time out room-related lawsuits
> that I know of here in NY), but to my knowledge, NYSED has never
> really investigated or done anything serious about preventing time
> out room misuse or abuse, even though they've had "guidelines" since
> 1994. The new regs only make things more dangerous with respect to
> time out rooms, because they don't specify any actual time limit for
> how long a child can be placed in time out or how often, etc. The
> federal regulations do specify time limits. The federal regs also say
> that a patient is allowed out of seclusion once the health/safety
> emergency is over. NYSED's regs allow the child to just be secluded
> for fixed amounts of time, even if there is no emergency.
>
> We also know of more extreme cases here in NYS and in other states
> where kids were seriously harmed in school settings due to
> inappropriate behavior interventions (like the Shawn Witte case in
> Nevada that I had posted to a.s.t. back in '99 and a case here in NYS
> where a kid was found unconscious in a time out room, having
> seizures), If people know of situations like that they can document,
> we can also use that information to help make the case to the Board of
> Regents as to why these regs should be withdrawn. When I contacted
> Pete and Pam Wright of Wrightslaw.com to tell them what was going on
> here and what we're trying to do, they replied that they will be
> including a story or notice on this issue in their next newsletter, so
> I hope that we can reach even more parents through them.
>
> When I say "we," by the way, that's not an editorial "we." Although
> I'm doing a lot of individual advocacy/alerts on this issue to local,
> state, and national organizations as well as to individual parents via
> my web site (and now usenet), I'm also involved in some collaborative
> advocacy efforts. In the future, I'll be posting something about a
> new coalition we're forming in NYS.
>
> In the meantime ,,,, if you know parents in other states who have
> stories/first-hand experiences to share that can help us advocate in
> NYS, have them contact me via email. Just delete the _nospam from the
> email address in this post to contact me.
>
> And I almost dread saying this, but to NYS parents: this is only one
> of TWO really serious issues in NYS education right now if you're
> parenting a child with a disability. The other one is a "done deal"
> in terms of the regulations being permanent but is extremely serious
> as it involves the minimizing and coverup of the sexual molestation of
> severely disabled children in NY schools. Right now, we're focusing
> on the "aversives" issue because we have a chance to change things
> before the regs become permanent, but you can expect to see more
> advocacy notices from me in the future on this issue and the sexual
> molestation issue.
>
> Have to get ready for work...
I don't know if you have been in contact yet with The Alliance to
Prevent Restraint, Aversive Interventions, and Seclusion. Good group,
sponsored by a number of national non-profits with an interest in
protecting children with disabilities.
Their parent guide is a great resource.
Their web site is at http://www.aprais.org/ and the contact information
is there.
[posted and mailed]
Nancy
Unique, like everyone else
[posting from ASAD]
Marcia
MothWrangler wrote:
> I don't know if you have been in contact yet with The Alliance to
> Prevent Restraint, Aversive Interventions, and Seclusion. Good group,
> sponsored by a number of national non-profits with an interest in
> protecting children with disabilities.
>
> Their parent guide is a great resource.
>
> Their web site is at http://www.aprais.org/ and the contact information
> is there.
>
> [posted and mailed]
>
>
> Nancy
> Unique, like everyone else
> [posting from ASAD]
And what about the _New York Times_? Surely they'd be interested in
reporting this (if they haven't already). Imo, it should be widely
publicized.
Mark Probert
The substance of the message is quite correct. I have been following it,
and writing to some people about it. Newsday did an expose on it.
I wish I could be more clear, but, that would involve posting personal
information, which would be used by the stalkers.
Mark Probert
> Raving Loonie wrote:
>> Leslie E. Packer, PhD wrote:
>> Did you earn your PhD from the back of a cereal box?
>>
>> The x-no-archive makes a mockery of your message.
>>
>> ... IMO.
>>
>> This is at least, the second time that you have done such a thing.
>>
>> If you wish for me to respect what you have posted whilst wagging the
>> the initials "PhD" in my face; have the sense and decency to stand by
>> what you post publicly.
>>
>> Methinks, you are a phony ...
>>
>>
>> Bugger off.
>>
>> [ BTW, you spelled "alt.suppport.tourette" wrong ... ]
>
>
> No, no RL. She's the real deal. I remember her from another NG quite a
> few years back. Expert on Tourette (however its spelled; Groups has no
> spellchecker), very dedicated and kind professional.
Thunderbird does.
>
> You may not be familiar with her b/c she apparently doesn't post here
> much any more, but she's legitimate.
Agreed. Dr. Packer is well known to me.
Mark Probert
Newsday did an extensive expose on the use of electric shock devices to
control students.
There is a story in the NYT today about how Medicaid is hurting the
disabled. If you email me, I will tell you more.
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe
<snipped>
> Did you earn your PhD from the back of a cereal box?
>
> The x-no-archive makes a mockery of your message.
>
> ... IMO.
Or, perhaps she doesn't want to be abused in the way many of us here
have been? If you were in her position, would you want to have such
lies about you posted all over Usenet, for anyone to find in a simple
'net search?
Kitten
Jan Drew
"Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe" <st_brigids...@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:1153192857.1...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
If she [or anyone] is ashamed to have their posts archived. They HAVE a
reason.
IMO, it is because they KNOW they are out of line.
As for being abused. YOU and your ilk have done just that. Like... Mark
Probert.
Sosueme
Jan Drew wrote:
> "Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe" <st_brigids...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:1153192857.1...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Raving Loonie wrote:
> > <snipped>
> >> Did you earn your PhD from the back of a cereal box?
> >>
> >> The x-no-archive makes a mockery of your message.
> >>
> >> ... IMO.
> >
> >
> > Or, perhaps she doesn't want to be abused in the way many of us here
> > have been? If you were in her position, would you want to have such
> > lies about you posted all over Usenet, for anyone to find in a simple
> > 'net search?
> >
> > Kitten
>
>
Yeppers!
Usenets polymorphous parade of perverted drug pushers, drug addicts,
convicted child molesters, child porno buffs, S & M Freaks,
malicious hackers, lying stalking filth and/or their mentally ill
supporters and apologists have archived nearly 11,000 defamatory posts
about yours truly using just one of the ways my name is printed.
Fortunately, defamation laws afford persons who have been defamed by
other people special priveleges: therefore, the defamation law allows
yours truly to publish articles ensuring that everyone who reads those
11,000 defamatory articles are aware the authors of the defamation are
a polymorphous parade of morally degenerate drug pushers, drug
addicts, child molesters, child porno buffs, adult porno kings, S &
M Freaks, notorious cyberstalkers, and people with extensive
psychiatric histories.
The modus operandi of ASAD's defamers is to defame someone as a troll,
to signify to all it's AOK for everyone to post false and slanderous
accusations about the person.
Given the definition of *troll* published in wikipedia, and given the
legal definition of defamation---ASAD's polymorphous parade of yahoo's
give up any and all rights they might have had under defamation laws
the moment each yahoo posts a malicious article describing another as a
troll---regardless, of what other false and slanderous allegations
ASAD's polymorphous parade of perverted yahoo's publish about the
posters they maliciously label a "troll".
Marcia
I agree. It's not clear to me how anyone can read anything more than
straightforward information in her post--nothing to be ashamed of or
hide, nothing out of line--unless my reading comprehension has dropped
signficantly in the past 48 hours.
I think we've all seen how people can distort the truth and use it to
promote malicious agendas, so the x-no-archive decision makes a lot of
sense to me.
Besides, why would anyone need this archived? At some point the article
will be out-of-date, or will be replaced by more current information.
marcia
LSFC
Raving Loonie
Leslie E. Packer, PhD wrote:
> discuss why publicly. Thank you both for giving me the benefit of any
> doubt.
>
> If anyone has any additional questions on the regulatory issue, they
> are welcome to email me. There is also an action alert up at
> Wrightslaw now: http://www.wrightslaw.com/news/06/abuse.nys.regs.htm
>
> If there are further updates on the issue, I'll post again.
>
> Leslie
IOW, please excuse the skulduggery.
Your message is all 'posture'. Theatre....
You might find the following book to be useful.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/185326699X/
RL
Vashti
> IOW, please excuse the skulduggery.
Nah, there just really are truly nasty people online... many people don't
archive their posts or even post using their real name.
> Your message is all 'posture'. Theatre....
Didn't strike me that way.
Vashti
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe
Raving Loonie wrote:
<snipped>
> IOW, please excuse the skulduggery.
>
> Your message is all 'posture'. Theatre....
>
P.K.B.
Kitten
Raving Loonie
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe
What would you call *your* typical posts, if not posturing and theatre?
The lady who initiated this thread is a legit person who simply doesn't
wish to have herself archived, quite possibly due to the abusers who
frequent Usenet. It's not at all unusual. Many people utilize
x-no-archive in an effort to minimize problems with abusers.
Kitten
Raving Loonie
Date: Sun, Jul 16 2006 8:23 pm
Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived.
This message will be removed from Groups in 4 days (Jul 23, 8:23 pm).
[A copy of the full alert is posted at ...
....
As you may have heard already, a new set of "emergency" education
regulations have been approved by the Board of Regents. Despite
claiming to bar or prohibit certain things, these regulations actually
open the door for all public schools, BOCES, state-approved private
special education schools and the NYS Schools for the Blind and Deaf
to use corporal punishment, aversives (such as painful electric skin
shock), restraints, and time out rooms for children and teens with
disabilities.
NYSED enacted these new regulations even though they admit that there
is no research supporting the use of most of these techniques. There
is certainly no research validation for using most of these techniques
in public school settings.
There are already at least 23 school districts in NYS currently
recommending the use of aversive behavioral interventions for disabled
students, and probably many more already using aversive behavioral
interventions without documenting what they have been doing to
disabled children.
These regulations need to be approved again at the Board of Regents
meeting scheduled for September 11-12 in Albany. We all need to take
action now. You have an opportunity to respond to these new
regulations. See the State's notice at ...
.....................
To give you an idea how bad these regulations are, as per the new
approved regulations:
1. Corporal punishment is barred -- except that a teacher can ....
ALTOGETHER NOW ....
LET'S PROTEST!
Making a stink of the issue.
Drama ... Screaming outrage.
Raving Loonie
> Raving Loonie wrote:
> > Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote:
> > > Raving Loonie wrote:
> > > <snipped>
> > > > IOW, please excuse the skulduggery.
> > > >
> > > > Your message is all 'posture'. Theatre....
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > P.K.B.
> > bullshit.
>
>
> What would you call *your* typical posts, if not posturing and theatre?
fail to comprehend.
Raving Loonie
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote:
> Raving Loonie wrote:
> > Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote:
> > > Raving Loonie wrote:
> > > <snipped>
> > > > IOW, please excuse the skulduggery.
> > > >
> > > > Your message is all 'posture'. Theatre....
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > P.K.B.
> > bullshit.
>
>
> What would you call *your* typical posts, if not posturing and theatre?
>
> The lady who initiated this thread is a legit person who simply doesn't
The lady who initiated this thread primarily concerned with making a
public statement. There is nothing wrong with that.
Every sentence; every action is calculated to publicize and raise
awareness of this issue.
I am sorry to hear that you fail to see substance in my postings.
Oh well ...
Raving Loonie
sticking the initials PhD after her name as an appeal to gain credence
for her appeal.
The lady is also INSISTING that her postings are ' x-no-archive '.
This is 'Drama' IMO.
This is posturing IMO.
If her cause were looked on more unfavorably, it would be called
'spamming'.
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe
Raving Loonie wrote:
> Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote:
> > Raving Loonie wrote:
> > <snipped>
> > > IOW, please excuse the skulduggery.
> > >
> > > Your message is all 'posture'. Theatre....
> > >
> >
> >
> > P.K.B.
have her post archived>
>
> To give you an idea how bad these regulations are, as per the new
> approved regulations:
>
> 1. Corporal punishment is barred -- except that a teacher can ....
>
> ALTOGETHER NOW ....
>
> LET'S PROTEST!
>
>
> Making a stink of the issue.
>
>
> Drama ... Screaming outrage.
Hmmmm....
1) She sees an issue which can cause some major problems.
2) It is an issue she feels needs to be dealt with in as expedient a
manner as possible.
3) She contemplates how to deal with the issue.
4) She DOES SOMETHING ABOUT THE SITUATION.
Now, I guess I can see how you, RL, would find this inappropriate....
Kitten
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe
Raving Loonie wrote:
<snipped>
> If her cause were looked on more unfavorably, it would be called
> 'spamming'.
She's not trying to sell anything, RL. She posted it only to relevant
groups. If anything, there's a possibility of her postings being EMP,
but not spamming and not ECP (she kept the crossposting to an
acceptable minimum).
Kitten
Raving Loonie
pos·ture Audio pronunciation of "posturing" ( P ) Pronunciation Key
(pschr)
n.
1.
1. A position of the body or of body parts: a sitting posture.
2. An attitude; a pose: assumed a posture of angry defiance.
2. A characteristic way of bearing one's body; carriage: stood with
good posture.
3. Relative placement or arrangement: the posture of the buildings
on the land.
4. A stance or disposition with regard to something: "Those bases
are essential to our military posture in the Middle East" (Gerard
Smith).
5. A frame of mind affecting one's thoughts or behavior; an overall
attitude.
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe
Raving Loonie wrote:
> Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote:
> > Hmmmm....
> >
> > 1) She sees an issue which can cause some major problems.
> > 2) It is an issue she feels needs to be dealt with in as expedient a
> > manner as possible.
> > 3) She contemplates how to deal with the issue.
> > 4) She DOES SOMETHING ABOUT THE SITUATION.
> >
> > Now, I guess I can see how you, RL, would find this inappropriate....
> It is called posturing ..
>
And what would you call a great deal of *your* posts, RL?
As I said, P.K.B.
Kitten
Raving Loonie
lob·by Audio pronunciation of "lobbying" ( P ) Pronunciation Key
(lb)
n. pl. lob·bies
1. A hall, foyer, or waiting room at or near the entrance to a
building, such as a hotel or theater.
2. A public room next to the assembly chamber of a legislative body.
3. A group of persons engaged in trying to influence legislators or
other public officials in favor of a specific cause: the banking lobby;
the labor lobby.
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe
Raving Loonie wrote:
> Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote:
> > Raving Loonie wrote:
> > <snipped>
> > > If her cause were looked on more unfavorably, it would be called
> > > 'spamming'.
> >
> >
> > She's not trying to sell anything, RL. She posted it only to relevant
> > groups. If anything, there's a possibility of her postings being EMP,
> > but not spamming and not ECP (she kept the crossposting to an
> > acceptable minimum).
> She is engaged in lobbying.
And you are engaged in avoiding your issues and in ranting here, often
in unintelligible fashion.
Kitten
Raving Loonie
I am sorry that you consider me as ...
* 'ranting', here ....
* doing so in an uningtelligible manner.
Read below ....
' ...These regulations need to be approved again at the Board of
Regents meeting scheduled for September 11-12 in Albany. We all need
to take action now. You have an opportunity to respond to these new
regulations. See the State's notice at
http://www.vesid.nysed.gov/specialed/behavioral/publichearing.htm on
how to provide feedback and deadlines for providing feedback.
You can read the new regulations online at
http://www.regents.nysed.gov/2006Meetings/June2006/0606emscvesida1.htm
or get the pdf version at
http://www.tourettesyndrome.net/Files/Cort_060606.pdf. ... '
This is CALLED lobbying.
Raving Loonie
Clearly, that is what I am to you.
Good evening.
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe
No, you are not. As I've repeated over and over, you're *NOT* useless.
You just *choose* to be ineffective by choosing to do NOTHING. You've
said it yourself. You mire yourself down in indecision and inactivity.
That is of your own choosing.
Kitten
Jan Drew
"Marcia" <des...@insight.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1153233079.0...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote:
>> Raving Loonie wrote:
>> <snipped>
>> > Did you earn your PhD from the back of a cereal box?
>> >
>> > The x-no-archive makes a mockery of your message.
>> >
>> > ... IMO.
>>
>>
>> Or, perhaps she doesn't want to be abused in the way many of us here
>> have been? If you were in her position, would you want to have such
>> lies about you posted all over Usenet, for anyone to find in a simple
>> 'net search?
>>
>> Kitten
>
>
> I agree.
Sure you do....
And...you dismiss the lies and abuse from Kitten.
Marcia
> >> Kitten
> >
> >
> > I agree.
>
> Sure you do....
>
> And...you dismiss the lies and abuse from Kitten.
What are you talking about? Has Linda stolen your nym?
I haven't read any lies or abuse from Kitten; she's always come across
to me as a kind, caring person. That doesn't mean she has to agree with
everything everyone says--she *is* entitled to express an opposing
opinion. But lies? Abuse? Not that I've seen.
How did Kitten suddenly get on your list?
You've left me totally befuddled.
marcia
Jan Drew
>
> Jan Drew wrote:
>> "Marcia" <des...@insight.rr.com> wrote in message
>
>> >> Kitten
>> >
>> >
>> > I agree.
>>
>> Sure you do....
>>
>> And...you dismiss the lies and abuse from Kitten.
>
>
> What are you talking about?
Lies and abuse from Kitten.
Has Linda stolen your nym?
There you go talking about Linda.
>
> I haven't read any lies or abuse from Kitten; she's always come across
> to me as a kind, caring person. That doesn't mean she has to agree with
> everything everyone says--she *is* entitled to express an opposing
> opinion. But lies? Abuse? Not that I've seen.
So you say.
>
> How did Kitten suddenly get on your list?
She isn't on any list.
The fact is she has lied and abused.
>
> You've left me totally befuddled.
>
> marcia
Suuureeeee.
Raving Beauty
Jan Drew wrote:
> >
> >
>
> Sure you do....
>
> And...you dismiss the lies and abuse from Kitten.
>
>
>
> It's not clear to me how anyone can read
It's been abundantly clear to me for years that very few people ever
bother to read the lies which the polymorphous parade of perverted
yahoo's post to ASAD day after day, month after month, year after
year.
Since are few people who read the non stop lies ASAD's polymorphous
parade of perverted yahoo's post day after day, month after month,
year after year, ASAD's polymorphous parade of perverted yahoo's never
make any effort to keep track of their lies for the sake of
consistency.
Each day, ASAD's con artists performance is geared to the readers who
happen to be reading ASAD today---period.
Today's performance is one where ASAD's con/performing artists are
acting as if a Phd who has zero credibility owing to their having
disgraced themselves by their unethical and mentally deranged behavior
on usenet is something other then a phd who disgraced themselves by
their unethical and deranged behavior on usenet.
If you view ASAD's polymorphous parade of perverted yahoo's posting of
non-stop lies day after day, month after month, year and year...as a
performance being engaged in by persons using ASAD as a venue to engage
in grass roots marketeering of pharmaceuticals, medical devices,
professional services, books, computer software, then you will be
able to ignore all posts of ASAD's actors/actresses and, focus all
your attention on posting all those on topic articles which they are
putting on this big performance to distract people from posting,
reading and replying to.
IMHOFWIW----the objective of their using ASAD as a venue to engage in
grass roots marketeering of pharmaceuticals, professional services,
books, computer software programs, medical devices/aids, etc
probably isn't to sell what they tout---since ASAD doesn't have much of
an audience.
IMHOFWIW, the real objective of their using ASAD as a venue to engage
in grass roots marketeering of pharmaceuticals, professional services,
books, computer software programs, medical devices/aids, is to
curtail and/or to make it impossible for earnest posters to use ASAD as
a conduit or marketplace of ideas---because any free exchange of
information amongst consumers of psychotropic drugs and/or mental
health services would make it glaringly obvious just how shoddy their
products and services really are.
Best way of ensuring at least some accurate info gets posted to ASAD is
to kilfile and/or ignore everything posted by all ASAD's filthy little
liars aka con/performing artists.
Regards,
Linda
Mark Probert
> wrote:
>
>> MothWrangler wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know if you have been in contact yet with The Alliance to
>>> Prevent Restraint, Aversive Interventions, and Seclusion. Good group,
>>> sponsored by a number of national non-profits with an interest in
>>> protecting children with disabilities.
>>>
>>> Their parent guide is a great resource.
>>>
>>> Their web site is at http://www.aprais.org/ and the contact information
>>> is there.
>>>
>>> [posted and mailed]
>>>
>>>
>>> Nancy
>>> Unique, like everyone else
>>> [posting from ASAD]
>>
>> And what about the _New York Times_? Surely they'd be interested in
>> reporting this (if they haven't already). Imo, it should be widely
>> publicized.
>
> We're working on that, too. :)
>
> We'll be briefing a number of public figures within the next month,
> and we're presenting a statement at the public hearings in August.
Super. Newsday would probably cover them, considering that they ran the
series on aversive treatments.
> We have a lot of solid networking going on right now, so you'll
> hopefully be reading more about this. Pete and Pam Wright are sending
> out a newsletter tomorrow on this issue, bless them.
The Wrights are exceptional people, and I have recommended Pete to
hundreds of people over the years. I met the Wrights at a conference on
Long Island several years ago. He is an excellent speaker and knows his
subject thoroughly. Pam is a very caring professional.
> In the meantime, thanks to all who help spread the word and who take
> the time to make their opinions known to the Regents.
Keep up the good work yourself.
Marcia
Raving Beauty wrote:
> Best way of ensuring at least some accurate info gets posted to ASAD is
> to kilfile and/or ignore everything posted by all ASAD's filthy little
> liars aka con/performing artists.
>
> Regards,
>
> Linda
Very good idea. I think you should kill file everyone you consider part
of the polymorphous parade of yada, yada, yada, and you can start with
me.
Then, everyone who has an issue with you should killfile you, as I'm
about to do once Thunderbird is up and running.
It will be interesting to see how many people you have left to
communicate with. Oh, that's right... I won't see it. LOL.
marcia
Raving Beauty
Raving Loonie wrote:
> Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote:
> > Raving Loonie wrote:
> > > Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote:
> > > > Raving Loonie wrote:
> > > > <snipped>
> > > > > IOW, please excuse the skulduggery.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your message is all 'posture'. Theatre....
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > P.K.B.
> > > bullshit.
> >
> >
> > What would you call *your* typical posts, if not posturing and theatre?
> >
> > The lady who initiated this thread is a legit person who simply doesn't
> > wish to have herself archived, ....
> The lady who initiated this thread primarily concerned with making a
> public statement. There is nothing wrong with that.
WTF?
Children do NOT diagnose themselves with developmental disorders.
Greedy mental health professionals diagnose children with disorders.
Without a diagnosis, a child doesn't have a disability.
If the child doesn't have a disability---they have no IEP, no 504, or
no SPED.
If the child doesn't have an IEP/504/Sped placement ---school
personnel are not permitted to employ aversive therapy.
The physical abuse of every one of those students is a DIRECT
consequence of some greedy mental health professional having dx'd each
child with a developmental disorder.
Mental Health Professionals are not objecting to the fact that school
children *they( dx'd with a developmental disorder are going to be
physically abused by school personnel, in addition to being chemically
lobotimized by pdocs, and mentally raped by psychologists.
Mental Health Professionals are objecting to the fact that the NY BOE
left Mental Health Professionals out of the loop wrt programs of
physical abuse of students.
Every parent knows the way to deal with the new law is to NEVER let
their child near a mental health professional to begin with!
Raving Beauty
Raving Loonie wrote:
> The lady who initiated this thread primarily concerned with making a
> public statement.
Wrong!
Has it slipped your mind that it's America's unethical and greedy MHP's
who diagnose children with, ahem, *developmental disorders"?
Has it slipped your mind that a child requires a dx to qualify as
*disabled".
Has it slipped your mind that without a Dx and alleged disability
--there can be no
IEP, nor 504, or nor Sped placement?
And, the law enacted requires an IEP/504 or Sped placement --before
school personnel are permitted to physically abuse students?
Therefore, the physical abuse of each and every one of those students
is a DIRECT
consequence of some greedy mental health professional having dx'd each
child with a developmental disorder.
FYI, NY's sleazy, slimy, mental health professionals are NOT
objecting to the fact that school children whom they dx'd with a
developmental disorder are going to be
physically abused by school personnel, in addition to those children
being chemically
lobotimized by pdocs, and/or mentally raped by psychologists.
NY's sleazy, slimy mental health dirtbags are ONLY objecting to the
fact that the NY BOE
left Mental Health Dirtbags completely out of the loop wrt their
programmed
physical abuse of students.
Don't let anyone tell you differently.
Raving Beauty
Raving Loonie wrote:
> > The lady who initiated this thread is a legit person who simply doesn't
> > wish to have herself archived, quite possibly due to the abusers who
> > frequent Usenet. It's not at all unusual. Many people utilize
> > x-no-archive in an effort to minimize problems with abusers.
> The lady is LOBBYING. The lady is urging others to LOBBY. The lady is
> sticking the initials PhD after her name as an appeal to gain credence
> for her appeal.
>
> The lady is also INSISTING that her postings are ' x-no-archive '.
>
> This is 'Drama' IMO.
> This is posturing IMO.
>
> If her cause were looked on more unfavorably, it would be called
> 'spamming'.
Excuse me?
America's unethical and greedy mental health industry dregs are the
people who diagnose american's children with all those *developmental
disorders".
American's unethical and greedy mental health industry dregs diagnosing
America's children with developmental disorders IS what makes children
qualified as "disabled" under IDEA and Special Education Laws.
America's unethical and greedy mental health industry dregs diagnosing
American's children with developmental disorders which qualifies
children as *disabled* under IDEA and Spec Ed Laws is the basis for all
ACCOMODATIONS for such children in IEP's created under IDEA and SPED
laws.
The NY law enacted has made physical abuse of children one of the
ACCOMMODATIONS school personnel may include on the IEP's of children
having 504 and SPEC placements Under IDEA and Spec Ed Laws because of
their being diagnosed as having a developmental disorder by dregs in
the mental health industry.
Therefore, the physical abuse of every student is a DIRECT
consequence of some greedy mental health industry dreg having dx'd the
child with a
child with a developmental disorder.
FYI, NY's sleazy, slimy, mental health industry dregs are NOT
objecting to the fact that school children whom they dx'd with a
developmental disorder are going to be
physically abused by school personnel, in addition to those children
being chemically
lobotimized by pdocs, and/or mentally raped by psychologists.
NY's sleazy, slimy mental health industry dregs are ONLY objecting to
the
fact that the NY BOE
left Mental Health Industry Dirtbags completely out of the loop wrt
their
programmed
physical abuse of students.
The cause of NY mental health industry dregs is to trick the public
into pressuring NY State into consulting dregs in the mental health
industry wrt programmed physical abuse of children.
Hopefully, 'NY State will not cave to being pressured into consulting
dregs from the mental health industry, and NY's states action is the
beginning of an American Revolt against the unethcial and morally
corrupt mental health industry having corrupted Amercian society by
insinuating itself into every aspect of American Social System
....--including America's courtrooms where dregs of the Mental Health
Industry are known as "The WHORES of the Court"
Archiver
IOW----it is SPAM---because the "cause" is lining the pockets of dregs
in the mental health industry at the publics expense.
...
Archiver
For the record:
I do not support the law NY state enacted.
I support NY State BOE enactment of policy in the best interest of the
children of the state of NY rather than the best interest of the dregs
of the mental health industry whose greedy disease mongering created
the crisis in public education which educators are reeling from.
However, misguided the action of the NY State of BOE is...it's a giant
step in the right direction....because it's a step away from allowing
greedy, unethical morally degenerate, and all too often psychotic and
psychopathic dregs in the mental health industry DICTATE what's best
for america's children, and step towards having the people whose
custody and care children are actually entrusted to make the decisions
about what's best for the children whose care and custody they have
been entrusted with.