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Linda
accordingly.
The charter of ASD-med is as follows: .
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Re: Eric, Pablo and Bluemoon
Eric Riddick has participated on ASD-med for nearly 7 years.
Eric has *always* dismissed, minimized, invalidated, and/or blamed AD
users for all side, adverse, and paradoxical effects of antidepressants.
Eric has *always* ridiculed, belittled, denigrated, degraded and demeaned
any poster who refutes the disinformation Eric posts to hype biopsychiatry,
and engages in what amounts to a systematic or programmed abuse against
posters who chose to continue to participating after Eric has ordered them
to "Leave".
Eric has *always* creates cognitive dissonance in people he abuses by Eric's
interspersing his abuse with posts about him which play on their sympathies,
such as his doctors committing him to a maximum security mental hospital,
or his having to undergo ECT---which he will later claim was just another of
his warped jokes.
And, Eric's posts have *always* contained statements which are extremely
triggering.
Example:
A "mark" posted a post hinting they were molested as a child.
Eric immediately changed his signature to the following:
"Bwahahahahahaha!!!!! Want some candy little girl?"
The Devil
Whenever a poster has hinted they're Jewish, Eric inundates ASD-med with
anti-Semitic hate speech and/or posts glorifying nazi's and the third Reich.
Anytime a poster hints they are black, Eric inundates ASD-med with racist
propaganda, littered with the N word, and posts glorifying the KKK and the
good ole days on tobacco plantations.
Where a woman posts who doesn't hint at being molested, Eric floods us with
posts degrading to women.
Dozens if not hundreds of posters have sought to hold Eric accountable for
his outrageous abuse of support seekers ---especially, those of us who
realize ASD-med appeals to people with TRD who may be participating on
ASD-med as a last resort;therefore, may react to Eric's abuse and telling
them to "Leave" by deciding that if they don't belong on a depression
support group, then, they don't belong anywhere.
But, whenever anyone tries to hold Eric's accountable for his abuse, Pablo
intervenes and excuses, rationalizes and justifies it, and, or scapegoats
the targets for Eric's behavior.
Pablo scapegoating of Eric's many victims is done while Pablo disingenuously
insinuates stuff about himself to forge a bond with the victims Pablo then
uses to con the target into revealing personal details about themselves they
were TRIGGERED to think about by Eric's abuse, and extremely triggering
posts.
I have perused the literature it describes their routine as akin to an
abusive
interrogation of the bad cop/good cop variety.
It probably works more successfully on Usenet then IRL because of what John
Suler refers to as "The Online Disinhibition Effect".
John Suler's The Psychology of Cyberspace
The Online Disinhibition Effect
http://www.rider.edu/~suler/psycyber/disinhibit.html
Pablo, Eric, Bluemoon and a sometime poster named Peter V'lliki have
engaged in non-stop lying and mythomania regarding some posters to sucker
them and other ASD-med posters into playing their assigned roles in all
manner of psychopathic zero sum games---their favorites being "Courtroom"
and "Let's he and you
fight".
Engage Eric and Pablo at your own risk.
They are sadistic predators who have engaged in aggressive and/or criminal
activities against the vulnerable support seekers of ASD-med, in their
relentless effort to control the flow of info on ASD-med so it's favorable
to their very skewed, non-factual
and self serving personal opinions, and, being sociopaths---"for the sport
of it".
The tactics they employ in their psychopathic games include tactics that
cause harm to both targets and patsy's IRL, in perpetuity.
See:
Look Who's Stalking Now: Psychologists Participate in Cyberstalking Ring to
Manage Flow of Information Favorable to Opinions
http://www.fireflysun.com/book/sci.psychology.psychotherapy.php
Pablo is one of the SPP stalkers who have been profiled --although
not as detailed as others on account of Pablo primarily preying on support
seekers (the lowest form of troll).
http://www.fireflysun.com/book/sci.psychology.psychotherapy_stalker_profiles.php
I tell you this --FYI, for your benefit.
I can't save people from the hubris which incites them to imagine that they
are so much better then Pablo and Eric's many victims---and it never happen
to them!
And, I have no interest in engaging in any discussion of the worm-eating
games these predators play on support seekers---as I am tired of being
abused by apologists, appeasers, deniers and supporters of such sadistic
predators.
My participating on ASD-med is a consequence of the fact that I have used
AD's on and off for the past 26 years to augment treatment for my
hypothyroidism/Hashimoto's---and, not owing to any sort of psychiatric
disease, nor do I suffer any type of "untreated mental illness" having had
that ruled out by my RL physicians.
--
".....the U.S. Department of Justice (Reno, 1999) links cyberstalking with
the activities of paedophiles, whilst Paul Kneisel, the editor of the
Internet Anti-Fascist [4] accuses fascist opponents of using cyberstalking
as a means of intimidation, that is, as a political tool."
Paul Bocij http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue8_10/bocij/
Jeff
Re: the NG charter, so noted. However, if the world were as
cut-and-dried as that I would like it a lot better. Bottom line is
that these are medications for the brain, not the spleen, and it's
virtually impossible to separate biology from emotion and reason what
talking about pharmaceuticals.
Therefore, I respectfully reserve the right to go careening off target
whenever I think it would positively contribute to the health of the NG
in general.
Re: your comments about other persons: Thank you, but those are not
welcome. Being a big boy (perhaps too much so) I make my own decisions,
and perhaps naively, everyone is presumed innocent until they shoot
themselves in the foot, a la Lostboy. His posts are no longer visible
to me, as they have no relevance and add no value.
>> My participating on ASD-med is a consequence of the fact that I have used
>> AD's on and off for the past 26 years to augment treatment for my
>> hypothyroidism/Hashimoto's---and, not owing to any sort of psychiatric
>> disease, nor do I suffer any type of "untreated mental illness" having had
>> that ruled out by my RL physicians.
You may wish to consult a new physician and by such I mean a true
psychiatrist, not a psychopharmacologist. Meaning no disrespect
whatsoever, certain aspects of your recent posts evidence a certain
level of paranoiac thought....a possible side effect of long term AD
use if no medical neccessity truly exists. Establishing a new
externally generated baseline might help with meds better targetted to
your *current* need sets. Expensive? Yes. Time consuming? Yes.
Emotionally Painful? Yes. Potentially lifesaving? Also Yes.
Another approach would be to sit you down with the MMPI (Minnesota
Multiphasic Personality Inventory) , then go through a four week detox
and run you through the MMPI again. The Delta notations would be quite
valuable in retargetting medication types and levels. Believe it or
not, you can do this for yourself, for free (sorta). Sign up for the
eHarmony dating service, which uses an abbreviated form of the MMPI and
get your free personality profile. Do your own detox (WITH PHYSICIAN'S
SUPERVISION!!) then go sign up on eHarmony again under a new
name.....compare the two profiles.
Hmmm......alt.support.depression.self.diagnosis.cheap.cheap.cheap.
LOL
- Jeff
Linda
"Jeff" <justano...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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Jeff said:
Linda -
Re: the NG charter, so noted. However, if the world were as
cut-and-dried as that I would like it a lot better.
Linda says:
Other peoples unwillingness to respect the needs, wishes and desires of
people who chartered and/or subcribe to a forum to discuss antidepressants
and nothing but antidepressants is no excuse for your unwillingness to
respect their needs, desires and wishes.
There are a multiplicity of ng's where discussion of CBT and other talk
therapies is appropriate.
In addition to the sci.psychology ng's, many of the *other* support ng's
charters make those *other* support groups forums where discussion of CBT
and other talk therapies is appropriate.
Therefore, there's no excuse for you or any other licensed therapist to
hype CBT or other talk therapies on a ng chartered to discuss
antidepressants and nothing but antidepressants.
Furthermore, there's no benefit to your doing so---since a very outspoken
critic of psychotherapy will respond to your chosing to post posts hyping
psychotherapy by posting information to ensure ASD-med reader is aware that
the chances of their being helped by those who become licensed therapists
(in the USA at least) are slim and none--precisely, because graduate
schools of psychology are weeding out normal people and matriculating vain,
arrogant, narcissistic, borderline, sociopathic SOB's whose sense of
self-importance is so exaggerated they hype psychotherapy in a ng chartered
for discussion of antidepressants and nothing but antidepressants in
depraved indifference to the wishes, needs and desires of people who
chartered/subscribed to a ng to discuss antidepressants and nothing but
antidepressants.
And, that's just for starters.
As is right and just if licensed therapists make any attempt to hype
psychotherapy on a ng for discussion of antidepressants then ASD-med readers
have a right to know that psychotherapy is a profession whose member have
the highest rate of incarceration, which has been totally corrupted by
malignant forces, who are perceived as the "whores of the court" by members
of the ABA, whose most common *treatment* of persons coping with child
molestation or rape seems to be the therapist re-molesting them or statorily
raping them, where psychological abuse of clients is rank, and where the
entire profession close ranks and protects all it's criminals, generally by
invalidating it's victims, but with the advent of the internet, stalking,
harassing and maliciously libleing them.
Dont' you think it be rather selfish of you to drag ASD-med down with your
self-serving agenda, thereby depriving public of a needed and valuable
resource for the discussion of antidepressants---rather than take your hype
about psychotherapy to a ng chartered for discussion of psychotherapy?
Jeff says:
Bottom line is
that these are medications for the brain, not the spleen, and it's
virtually impossible to separate biology from emotion and reason what
talking about pharmaceuticals.
Therefore, I respectfully reserve the right to go careening off target
whenever I think it would positively contribute to the health of the NG
in general.
Linda says:
As I explained above, any attempt you make to coopt ASD-med to serve your
personal agenda rather then the needs, wishes and desires of those who
chartered/subscibe to ASD-med to discuss antidepressants and nothing but
antidepressants will be selfish since the consequence of your doing so will
be depriving the public of a needed and valuable forum for discussing
antidepressants.
Jeff says:
Re: your comments about other persons: Thank you, but those are not
welcome. Being a big boy (perhaps too much so) I make my own decisions,
and perhaps naively, everyone is presumed innocent until they shoot
themselves in the foot, a la Lostboy. His posts are no longer visible
to me, as they have no relevance and add no value.
Linda says:
You have been informed that a poster who says he is a therapist has engaged
in aggressive and/or criminal activities harmful to supportseekers of this
ng.
It's not the least bit surprising that yet another member of your corrupt
profession choses to ignore such information rather then respond
appropriately.
.
Linda said:
---
>> My participating on ASD-med is a consequence of the fact that I have used
>> AD's on and off for the past 26 years to augment treatment for my
>> hypothyroidism/Hashimoto's---a要d, not owing to any sort of psychiatric
>> disease, nor do I suffer any type of "untreated mental illness" having
had
>> that ruled out by my RL physicians.
Jeff said:
You may wish to consult a new physician and by such I mean a true
psychiatrist, not a psychopharmacologist. Meaning no disrespect
whatsoever, certain aspects of your recent posts evidence a certain
level of paranoiac thought....a possible side effect of long term AD
use if no medical neccessity truly exists.
Establishing a new
externally generated baseline might help with meds better targetted to
your *current* need sets. Expensive? Yes. Time consuming? Yes.
Emotionally Painful? Yes. Potentially lifesaving? Also Yes.
Another approach would be to sit you down with the MMPI (Minnesota
Multiphasic Personality Inventory) , then go through a four week detox
and run you through the MMPI again. The Delta notations would be quite
valuable in retargetting medication types and levels. Believe it or
not, you can do this for yourself, for free (sorta). Sign up for the
eHarmony dating service, which uses an abbreviated form of the MMPI and
get your free personality profile. Do your own detox (WITH PHYSICIAN'S
SUPERVISION!!) then go sign up on eHarmony again under a new
name.....compare the two profiles.
Hmmm......alt.support.depression.self.diagnosis.cheap.cheap.cheap.
LOL
Linda said:
You are engaging in unethical misconduct.
I stated I have been prescribed AD's on and *off* for the last 26 years.
My physicians haven't prescribed me AD's in years---so, that shoots your
"little theory".
Second of all, this is a forum for the discussion of antidepressants---not
a forum for you to demean, denigrate, malign, devalue, defame, and libel
strangers on the basis of your projective identification, delusions or
distorted perceptions about them.
If you are unwilling to accept as fact that my treatment team has ruled out
psych problems, and, the subject isn't open for discussion, please take
your unwillingness to accept facts which contradict your skewed,
self-serving and distorted perpections up with your treatment team.
Thank you,
Linda
- Jeff
bluemoon
> Linda said:
> ---
>
>>>My participating on ASD-med is a consequence of the fact that I have used
>>>AD's on and off for the past 26 years to augment treatment for my
Because that's your job, right?
Jeff
By the way, I made it clear. I am not a practicing therapist, have no
interest in being one, and find the knowledge sets of limited use in my
own personal life. It's an avocation, not a profession.
Reference yourt comments regarding the newsgroup purpose, those are
items best laid out in a newsgroup FAQ, something that does not appear
to be present at this time. Therefore, the newsgroup purpose is what
those who participate in the newsgroup decide its purpose is.
Don't try to engage me in your personal agenda, Linda. So far, I'm
using about 18% of my brain on your posts. If I decide to take the
gloves off I can pretty much guarantee you won't like the results.
Among other things, you toss the words "defame" and "libel" around with
a little too much careless abandon, while skipping merrily along the
line of committing such torts. I, along with my LEGAL treatment team,
can teach you the true meaning of those words quite easily.
- Jeff
Linda
> I respectfully reserve the right to go careening off target
> whenever I think it would positively contribute to the health of the NG
> in general.
"I reserve the *right* to go careening off target" ---behavior
for "the health of the ng in general"---------rationalization
Where "the health of the ng in general* is a linguistic construction or
metaphor
for that which exists only in your imagination-----not in fact or reality.
What does exist in fact and reality is millions of people being prescribed
AD's for all sorts of reasons --who chartered and subscribed to a public
unmediated ng where they can inquire/exchange info and support about the
therapeutic, side, adverse, paradoxical effect of AD's.
What *right* do you have to superimpose your ideations about the healthy
functioning of an ever-changing group of people who gather together on a
public unmoderated ng to discuss AD's they take for hundreds of different
reasons?
Everyone on this ng has their own physicians--
Everyone on this ng has a unique set of problems.
Only one of which incited them to subscribe to AD to inquire/exchange and
support
info about AD's their physicians don't have answers for or are not
addressing--
"them" being people diagnosed with MDD, Bipolar disorder, Schizoaffective
disorder, Schizophrenia, OCD, PTSD, GAD, ADHD, BPD, NPD, ASPD, HPD,
PLMD, RLS, TS, mood disorder NOS, and, all manner of people taking AD's
to relieve symptoms secondary to purely physiological conditions like
thyroid, cardiovascular, PMS, menopause, andropause and U NAME IT.
It's a ng that functions excellently whenever it's not being trolled by
self-appointed guardians of that which only exists in their imagination
"health of the ng in general".
I believe you subscribed to ASD-med owing to your own issues.
I advised you about the worm-eating games a gutless coward has been playing
on posters of this ng for the past 5 years ----for your benefit.
I am asking you to put your professional pride aside---rather than be yet
another patsy for the ONE who would control who posts what to a forum he has
never had any legitimate business trolling in the first place.
Despite everything I have said to emphasize the point that this ng is
chartered to discuss antidepressants and nothing but antidepressants----that
doesn't preclude people, including you, from discussing therapies they
found helpful in conjunction with AD's or as an alternative to AD's.
I forget who the father of American psychology is---William James---I
think---
whoever it is---said their are two kinds of knowledge
those who have knowledge from studying about a subject
those who have knowledge from an acquaintance with.the subject
Every poster on this ng has a team of doctors whom they consult for
knowledge about their condition---and remedying it.
they gather here to meet others who have the second kind of knowledge---from
an acquaintance with.
Which you claim you have---
And, therefore--can be a valuable contributor to this ng
Or, a dickhead who stomps all over everyone's truth owing to your appointing
yourself guardian of something which only exists in your imagination---"the
health of the ng in general".
Jeff
>> another patsy for the ONE who would control who posts what to a forum he has
>> never had any legitimate business trolling in the first place.
And yet YOU presume to dictate the narrowest possible scope of
"allowable postings"? Somethings niggling at my brain
here....hmmmm......oh yeah. "Pot calling the kettle black".
>> "Sumperimpose your ideation"
Lovely phrase that. I would never "supimpose my ideation" on anyone,
largely because I'm never sure from one moment to the next what my
ideation is. Unlike some people, I remain steadfastly openminded.If I
were to be an arbiter of this or any other NG, there would only be two
kinds of posts I'd killfile:
1) Personal attacks
2) Ad hominiem attacks
>> Or, a dickhead who stomps all over everyone's truth owing to your appointing
>> yourself guardian of something which only exists in your imagination---"the
>> health of the ng in general".
Gosh, let's see.......it's a twofer!
[[sigh]] Just let it go, Linda. Just let it go.
- Jeff
Linda
> >> I am asking you to put your professional pride aside---rather than be
yet
> >> another patsy for the ONE who would control who posts what to a forum
he has
> >> never had any legitimate business trolling in the first place.
>
> And yet YOU presume to dictate the narrowest possible scope of
> "allowable postings"? Somethings niggling at my brain
> here....hmmmm......oh yeah. "Pot calling the kettle black".
Nice try.
However, it's not PBK.
And, I leave it up to you to figure out why.
>
> >> "Sumperimpose your ideation"
>
> Lovely phrase that. I would never "supimpose my ideation" on anyone,
> largely because I'm never sure from one moment to the next what my
> ideation is. Unlike some people, I remain steadfastly openminded.If I
> were to be an arbiter of this or any other NG, there would only be two
> kinds of posts I'd killfile:
>
> 1) Personal attacks
> 2) Ad hominiem attacks
>
> >> Or, a dickhead who stomps all over everyone's truth owing to your
appointing
> >> yourself guardian of something which only exists in your
imagination---"the
> >> health of the ng in general".
>
> Gosh, let's see.......it's a twofer!
Only if you already decided to be a dickhead rather than make a positive
contribution.
Linda
> Touchy touchy.
Hardly.
Just someone whose unwilling to have the identity of "patient" foisted on
them by yet another poster desiring to actualize the identity of usenet
"doktor".
>
> By the way, I made it clear. I am not a practicing therapist, have no
> interest in being one, and find the knowledge sets of limited use in my
> own personal life. It's an avocation, not a profession.
You said: "I *am* a cognitive therapist. Licensed but non-practising"
As a "licensed" therapist you are bound by the laws of your state to conduct
yourself accordingly---wherever you are.
Excerpt from Joint Resolution of the American Psychiatric Association and
the American Psychological Association
POSITION STATEMENT
Whereas, psychological knowledge and
techniques may be used to design and carry out torture, and Whereas, torture
victims often suffer from multiple, long-term psychological and physical
problems, Be it resolved, that the American Psychiatric Association and the
American Psychological Association condemn torture wherever it occurs,
and Be it further resolved, that the American Psychiatric Association and
the American
Psychological Association support the UN Declaration and Convention Against
Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or DegradingTreatment or Punishment:
and the UN Principles of Medical Ethics, as well as the joint Congressional
Resolution opposing torture that was signed into law by President Reagan on
October 4,
1984.
Excerpts from recent task force endorsing 1984 resolution:
Report of the American Psychological Association Task Force on Psychological
Ethics
http://www.apa.org/releases/PENSTaskForceReportFinal.pdf.
REPORT OF THE PRESIDENTIAL TASK FORCE ON PSYCHOLOGICAL ETHICS AND NATIONAL
SECURITY.
{...}
"...psychologists are bound
by the APA Ethics Code.Principle B of the Ethics Code, Fidelity and
Responsibility, states that psychologists are aware of their professional
and scientific responsibilities to society
Psychologists do not engage in, direct, support, facilitate, or offer
training in torture or other cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment.
The Task Force endorses the 1986 Resolution Against Torture of the American
Psychological Association Council or Representatives, and the 1985 Joint
Resolution Against Torture of the AmericanPsychological Association and the
American Psychiatric Association Principle A, Beneficence and
Non-maleficence, and Ethical Standard 3.04, Avoiding Harm.
The Task Force feels that an absolute statement against torture and other
cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment is appropriate
o
> Reference yourt comments regarding the newsgroup purpose, those are
> items best laid out in a newsgroup FAQ, something that does not appear
> to be present at this time. Therefore, the newsgroup purpose is what
> those who participate in the newsgroup decide its purpose is.
>
False.
Each and every ng Charter states the purpose of the ng.
Legitimate FAQ's are FAQ's which answer the most frequently asked questions
so participants don't have to keep answering the same questions 1,000,000
times.
Any FAQ which digresses from answering the on topic frequently asked
questions on a forum is illegitimate owing to it's authors having subverted
the purpose of the FAQ for misuse as a form of social control favors it's
authors personal agenda.
> Don't try to engage me in your personal agenda, Linda.
I don't have a personal agenda.
I saw you get sucked in by Eric.
And, extricate yourself.
Then, I saw Pablo move in on you.
A repeat of something I have witnessed take place over and over and over
again nearly always to the detriment of the newcomer.
Hence my warning.
So far, I'm
> using about 18% of my brain on your posts. If I decide to take the
> gloves off I can pretty much guarantee you won't like the results.
> Among other things, you toss the words "defame" and "libel" around with
> a little too much careless abandon, while skipping merrily along the
> line of committing such torts. I, along with my LEGAL treatment team,
> can teach you the true meaning of those words quite easily.
Oops!
I apologize.
I erroneously left out the "and/or" that I should have included between the
words malign, defame and/or libel.
As I stated at the outset, I explained about Eric and Pablo, etc-- FYI.
I stated I have no desire to engage you in any type of pissing contest if
your skewed, self-serving, and/or distorted perceptions incite you to
believe the case is otherwise ---and, I meant it.
Having said what I had to say regarding the purpose this ng is chartered
for, and, clued you in about some of the pitfalls of posting here and a
bit about the history of the ng --this discussion is over AFAIC.
I apologize if you misunderstood my doing so as an attempt to "dictate"
Cause it's not.
Whatever else ASD-med is, it's also a public unmoderated ng ---where no one
can stop you from posting whatever you want to, nor expel you for doing so.
Everyone can use their killfiles creatively to make ASD-med whatever they
wish, desire or need it to be, without anyone imposing ;their needs,
desires or wishes on others.
I do, and expect you will do the same.
Welcome (even if it's probably to my KF because of my reading pleasure being
re: AD's).
Linda
"Linda" <Indomi...@netzero.com> wrote in message
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naivete, ignorance, etc or