NAMI is tool of establishment
catullus
those who have suffered stigmatization or abuses because of mental
illness. I contacted them about a case where someone was involuntarily
committed for depression and forced to pay for it themselves. Their
response was the standard establishment line about how hard this would
be and what supposed protections there are.
Another friend told them about the formal laws making people who have
been treated for mental illness second-class citizens (eg, you lose your
2nd amendment rights just for being in a hospital for depression).
Again, they took the standard establishment line. For all their fine
talk, NAMI is essentially a tool of the establishment and the status
quo.
A B
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I daresay. This is America we're talking about, after all.
A. B. (UK(thank goodness))
mmmousemaid
Individual-to-individual or friend-to-friend, or relative-to-relative
is always
a more intimate relationship for compassionate support. All
government
organizations can help with material support, but are by definition
helping
*en masse* and not on an individual level. That shouldn't be
surprising.
Mmmousemaid
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"AzzMazta" <pena...@yomomma.hot.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:27:33 -0800 (PST), mmmousemaid wrote:
>
>> On Nov 20, 1:03 pm, "catullus" <catul...@theforum.net> wrote:
>>> The National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (NAMI) offers no help
>
>> government
>> organizations can help
>
> were the top two on a list of charities with the most funding from their
> respective industry.
>
> --
>
> AzzMazta's Political Institute
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> Washington, DC
who's government
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> about a case where someone was involuntarily committed for depression and
for Niacin Drug Cockails, join the cult, and sentenced to their prison.
Their
> response was the standard establishment line about how they would solve
all their problems.
>
> Another friend told them about their own special formal laws making people
> who have been treated for mental illness second-class citizens (eg, you
> lose your 2nd amendment rights just for being in a hospital for
> depression). Again, they took the standard establishment line. For all
> their fine talk, scientology is essentially a CULT and so are all their
> front groups.>
Escape_the_Cult_Now
> stigmatization or abuses because of mental illness. I contacted them
> about a case where someone was involuntarily committed for depression and
Their
> response was the standard establishment line about how they would solve
all their problems.
>
> Another friend told them about their own special formal laws making people
> who have been treated for mental illness second-class citizens (e.g., you
> lose your 2nd amendment rights just for being in a hospital for
> depression). Again, they took the standard establishment line. For all
Escape_the_Cult_Now
> stigmatization or abuses because of mental illness. I contacted them
> about a case where someone was involuntarily committed for depression and
for Niacin Drug Cocktails, join the cult, and sentenced to their prison.
> response was the standard establishment line about how they would solve
all their problems.
>
> Another friend told them about their own special formal laws making people
> who have been treated for mental illness second-class citizens (e.g., you
> lose your 2nd amendment rights just for being in a hospital for
> depression). Again, they took the standard establishment line. For all
Escape_the_Cult_Now
> stigmatization or abuses because of mental illness. I contacted them
> about a case where someone was involuntarily committed for depression and
for Niacin Drug Cocktails, join the cult, and sentenced to their prison.
> response was the standard establishment line about how they would solve
all their problems.
>
> Another friend told them about their own special formal laws making people
> who have been treated for mental illness second-class citizens (e.g., you
> lose your 2nd amendment rights just for being in a hospital for
> depression). Again, they took the standard establishment line. For all
Tristan
slunky
> Who the hell was talking about Scientology?
Ilya Dingbot.
--
-slunky
Tristan
>
> "AzzMazta" <pena...@yomomma.hot.invalid> wrote in message
> news:he7kga$i5r$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:27:33 -0800 (PST), mmmousemaid wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 20, 1:03 pm, "catullus" <catul...@theforum.net> wrote:
>>>> The National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (NAMI) offers no help
>>
>>> All
>>> government
>>> organizations can help
>>
>> They are not a government organization. I once read that them and the
>> DBSA
>> were the top two on a list of charities with the most funding from their
>> respective industry.
Government organizations are generally even worse, but NAMI is just as
worthless. If you need help with a mental illness, your best option is
to check around and go to a private psychiatrist. Actually, your family
Dr can help with many common problems. There are a few low-cost
organizations like SERV that offer pretty good services based on income,
but they have a long waiting list.
slunky
> worthless. If you need help with a mental illness, your best option is
> to check around and go to a private psychiatrist. Actually, your family
> Dr can help with many common problems. There are a few low-cost
> organizations like SERV that offer pretty good services based on income,
> but they have a long waiting list.
NAMI told me over the phone, they don't actually help individuals, they
just advocate for helping them.
--
-slunky
RGrannus
> _/ Tristan <twer...@aol.com> wrote \_
Yes, and they their "advocacy" consists of generalities that never
depart far from the establishment position. For example, they won't
confront the abuses of persons involuntarily needlessly committed,
which has been shown by several investigations to be a routine means
that psychiatric wards, "screeners", "counselors", and other hangers-
on use to generate work and money for themselves.
slunky
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They don't help people. They just advocate
that other people should get help with charity walks to raise money for
themselves and stuff.
--
-slunky
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It's because they were trying to commit mentally ill people. (Sickening,
isn't it?)
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most definitely , people that do that should get admitted
slunky
> "slunky" <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote in message
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>> _/ Tristan <twe...@aol.com> wrote \_
>>> Who the hell was talking about Scientology?
>>
>> Ilya Dingbot.
>
> isn't it?)
Ilya was? Commit him then.
--
-slunky
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> stigmatization or abuses because of mental illness. I contacted them
> about a case where someone was involuntarily committed for depression and
for Niacin Drug Cocktails, join the cult, and sentenced to their prison.
Escape_the_Cult_Now
> stigmatization or abuses because of mental illness. I contacted them
> about a case where someone was involuntarily committed for depression and
for Niacin Drug Cocktails, join the cult, and sentenced to their prison.
Escape_the_Cult_Now
> stigmatization or abuses because of mental illness. I contacted them
> about a case where someone was involuntarily committed for depression and
for Niacin Drug Cocktails, join the cult, and sentenced to their prison.
Escape_the_Cult_Now
> stigmatization or abuses because of mental illness. I contacted them
> about a case where someone was involuntarily committed for depression and
for Niacin Drug Cocktails, join the cult, and sentenced to their prison.
Escape_the_Cult_Now
"RGrannus" <rgra...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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never see them again.
http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01rAh6nbbS0
>
Tristan
> scientology uses the mentally ill as their prey, takes their money, and you
> never see them again.
So because Scientology may be a cult ineffective in treating mental
illness, it justifies all the abuses commonplace in conventional
"treatments" (eg, a person can be involuntarily committed and charged
for it because he is depressed)? And don't tell me it doesn't
happen--It happened to a relative of mine in supposedly enlightened New
Jersey.
And that's just one of the scams perpetrated on people by the establishment.
RGrannus
The same thing happened to a relative of mine (I live in NJ too). He
was being treated by a doctor but went to one of the county mental
health centers for group support. The center head talked him into
going to a local hospital, where the "screeners" had him committed--at
his own expense--for a week. AFTER being released, he went back to
treatment from his own doctor, who gave him an antidepressant that
resolved his depression in a few weeks. What he did get from the
hospitals and associated doctors were bills for around $20,000.
I did a little checking up on-line and found out how common abuses
like this are. The "screeners" and hospital psychiatrists have to
justify their jobs somehow. Investigations found that some screeners
and doctors were getting bounties from psychiatry hospitals and wards
for directing patients to them. The hospitals get paid one way or
another--through insurance, by the patient himself if not insured (and
they charge the uninsured much more), or by charity care paid by the
government for impoverished patients. The psychiatrists just rubber
stamps whatever the screener recommends since that's also in their own
interest.
Read the following articles; here are excerpts: "U.S. Representative
Patricia Schroeder of Colorado held hearings investigating the
practices of psychiatric hospitals in the United States. Her
committee's summary: "Our investigation has found that thousands of
adolescents, children, and adults have been hospitalized for
psychiatric treatment they didn't need; that hospitals hire bounty
hunters to kidnap patients...that psychiatrists are being pressured by
the hospitals to increase profit; that hospitals 'infiltrate' schools
by paying kickbacks to school counselors who deliver students; that
bonuses are paid to hospital employees, including psychiatrists, for
keeping the hospital beds filled.
"The supposed experts responsible for these "diagnoses" are usually
biased in favor of commitment because of their personal economic
concerns or their affiliation with the psychiatric "hospital" or ward
where the "patient" is or will be confined. Psychiatric "hospitals",
like all businesses, need customers. In the case of psychiatric
"hospitals" [or wards], they need patients. They not only want
patients, they need them to stay in business. Similarly, individual
psychiatrists and psychologists need patients to make money and earn a
living....Keeping all those psychiatric beds filled is critical, and
administrators are aggressively ensuring that they will be. Some
facilities even resort to paying employees and others bonuses of $500
to $1,000 per referral. An administrator at a psychiatric "hospital"
told me competition between psychiatric hospitals is "cut throat".
Combine this intense competition with America's poorly written
involuntary commitment laws and judges who refuse to impose protection
from unwarranted commitment that bona-fide due process requires, and
the result is a lot of people being deprived of liberty and suffering
psychiatric stigma unjustifiably."
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/unjustif.htm
"Some psychiatric hospitals made a practice of admitting adolescents
in distress, using the diagnosis of bipolar disorder. The federal
government finally intervened, charging the hospitals with fraud and
assessing fines of millions of dollars. Many of these children did
not have bipolar disorder at all, but were acting inappropriately
because of stresses in their families, with their friends, and at
school." --Edward Drummond, M.D., Associate Medical Director at
Seacoast Mental Health Center, Portsmouth, New Hampshire, in _The
Complete Guide to Psychiatric Drugs_ (John Wiley & Sons, Inc., New
York, 2000, pages 13-14.) Dr. Drummond graduated from Tufts
University School of Medicine and was trained in psychiatry at Harvard
University."
http://www.cchr.org/take_action/report_psychiatric_abuse.html
"Vulnerable people who have sought help from psychiatrists and
psychologists have been falsely diagnosed and forced to undergo
unwanted and often harmful psychiatric methods."
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hi
Escape_the_Cult_Now
never see them again.
http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/
Escape_the_Cult_Now
never see them again.
http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01rAh6nbbS0
RGrannus AKA "out of the anus) used one of the scientology front groups CCHR
for its arugment. FAIL
scientology and its front groups (CCHR, SCI, MFO) offer no help to those who
Escape_the_Cult_Now
never see them again.
http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01rAh6nbbS0
RGrannus AKA "out of the anus) used one of the scientology front groups CCHR
Escape_the_Cult_Now
never see them again.
http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01rAh6nbbS0
RGrannus AKA "out of the anus) used one of the scientology front groups CCHR
for its argument. FAIL