Lithium orotate advice needed.
zaman...@yahoo.com
Lithium Orotate. A form of Lithium,but which is only needed in low
doses,unlike the normal lithium given to manic depressives,which is
needed in very high doses.
Predictably,with the kind of Dr I have, who's against virtually all
supplements, he told me that the Lithium Orotate, can cause toxic
damage to the liver and kidneys. Also, it might combine with the
Lamatrogine (100 mg) and Mirtazapine (45 mg) I'm currently taking , to
cause Seratonin syndrome. He told me that even the small amounts of
Lithium Orotate can cause bad damage.
My question is: Is my Dr being overly cautious, is there a real risk
from using lithium orotate.
Also, is this lithium orotate just snake oil, or do you think it might
actually be useful in helping with the depression.
I'd welcome views of people who've actually tried it.
Thanks and bye.
Moop
causing serotonin syndrome, as it is usually combined with an SSRI.
As for using it for depression.. I don't know how it would help. Mood
stabilizers usually don't help very much, and if you don't have
bipolar disorder, you won't respond to it.
Nom dePlume
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Ooo-kay, I'd love to know how lithium is going to cause serotonin syndrome.
I also doubt that lithium orotate has any special properties relative to
lithium carbonate or lithium citrate. You get the same lithium ions from all
of them. So yes, to the extent that lithium orotate is promoted as being
fundamentally superior to other formulations of lithium, I think it is
"snake oil."
I don't think your doctor is being overly cautious as much as he is being
ignorant. I agree that taking lithium is potentially dangerous, since the
therapeutic dose *for bipolar disorder* is not much less than the toxic
level. However, I also don't see why lithium in any form is likely to do a
whole lot for you. It is true that lithium is sometimes added to an
antidepressant regimen to augment the antidepressant effects, but it doesn't
sound to me like your doctor is knowledgeable enough to address the pros and
cons of this approach.
I really think you should get a second opinion from another psychiatrist, if
you aren't getting good results with the one you've been seeing.
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Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.mentalmeds.org
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jc2...@gmail.com
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I have recently started taking Lithium in small doses (150mg/2x a day)
as a mood stabilizer and it has totally helped! AND I take it along
with Effexor, Topomax, and Propranolol. All I have to do is have my
liver levels checked with a blood test once a month. At the very
beginning I was starting it up and coming off of Depakote and
Nuerontin at the same time - so if I can take ALL of that and not have
my liver and kidneys explode - I definitely think your Dr. is being
ridiculous. Plus, besides from that he is not listening to you and
what you want. Most of these meds. have pretty serious side effects -
but if we work within those boundaries. I think you need to find
someone you feel you can really speak to and feel like you are being
heard. Just because we have an illness doesn't mean our opinions
should be written off.
JC
zaman...@yahoo.com
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So, taking 120 mg of lithium orotate a day is not a wise idea? I have
very deep unipolar depression, I don't have any feelings of sadness at
all but have the following symptoms: no emotions, no hunger pangs,no
feelings of sexual pleasure, inablity to concentrate. I think it's
called anhedonia.
I don't really think lithium will help, but since the current
medicines of 45 mg remeron and 100 mg lamatrogine are having no effect
at all on my depression, might not the lithium orotate have some
effect on getting the remeron to work?
My psychiatrist said lithium needs blood tests, but maybe i can get
away with a constant 120 mg per day, and not increasing the dose. I
know that there's the possiblity of my body processing the lithium
much slower than the average amount of time it takes a normal person,
but that's a risk I'm going to have to take.
I read a review on lithium orortate on the site crazy meds ( just
google lithium orotate + crazymeds and you can read it), and the
review was extremely scathing and ridiculing the use of lithium
orortate. But I don't understand why a few unibased people in the
archives of this group have come out in favor of using it.
Thanks and i'll be grateful for any input. Bye friends.
Nom dePlume
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> So, taking 120 mg of lithium orotate a day is not a wise idea? I have
> very deep unipolar depression, I don't have any feelings of sadness at
> all but have the following symptoms: no emotions, no hunger pangs,no
> feelings of sexual pleasure, inablity to concentrate. I think it's
> called anhedonia.
> I don't really think lithium will help, but since the current
> medicines of 45 mg remeron and 100 mg lamatrogine are having no effect
> at all on my depression, might not the lithium orotate have some
> effect on getting the remeron to work?
> My psychiatrist said lithium needs blood tests, but maybe i can get
> away with a constant 120 mg per day, and not increasing the dose. I
> know that there's the possiblity of my body processing the lithium
> much slower than the average amount of time it takes a normal person,
> but that's a risk I'm going to have to take.
> I read a review on lithium orortate on the site crazy meds ( just
> google lithium orotate + crazymeds and you can read it), and the
> review was extremely scathing and ridiculing the use of lithium
> orortate. But I don't understand why a few unibased people in the
> archives of this group have come out in favor of using it.
> Thanks and i'll be grateful for any input. Bye friends.
I can only talk about what I know, and I don't know anything positive about
lithium orotate. If it is helpful to a few, I'd be surprised if it were
helpful in a way that differs from lithium carbonate. If it has some special
properties that are not widely appreciated, then I can only say that I'm one
of the people who doesn't know about them. As far as I know, a lithium ion
is a lithium ion, and I don't know why it should matter whether the lithium
atom is associated with a carbonate ion or an orotate ion.
Anhedonia without melancholia sounds more like a problem with dopamine
chemistry than anything I'd expect lithium to help. I would be inclined to
look at dopamine-enhancing medications than bipolar medications.
zaman...@yahoo.com
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If you feel lithium orotate is of no help in unipolar depression, then
how come quite a few people with this condition report that it helped
them greatly? Was it a placebo effect?
I'm not going to rush in and start the lithium orortate, as I'm in 2
minds about toxicity, especially the dire warning from my Dr about
it's potential effect to permanently cause damage to my body.
But I'll still be interested in hearing from people who've used
Lithium orotate,and thier refelctions on it.
Thanks and bye friends.
honeybearxo
my husband was on litium for qite awhile untill it did damage to one
of his kidnys.they had to stop lithum and give him another drug.the
drug works very well but can cause kidny damage.
