Re: Melatonin
Bent Attorney Esq.
reason I ask is because it is a sleep inducing hormone, and part of
depression(in my case)is lack of decent sleep. So since depression
and lack of sleep are related, then it stands to reason that perhaps
an increase of melatonin might help the sleeping AND the depression.
Nomen Nescio
> Has anyone ever tried melatonin for depression?
You don't need melatonin or seroquel for sleep, idiot.
If you can't sleep at night, it's because you haven't
worked hard enough during the day.
You eat too much and exert far too little, which is why
you have gained weight and look like a lazy fat ass.
No wonder you don't get out much.
Who the hell would wanna be seen with a mental case
like you?
> So since depression and lack of sleep are related,
> then it stands to reason that perhaps....
You missed a part of that brilliant logic exercise, moron.
Depression, lack of sleep, and NOT WORKING HARD ENOUGH
DURING THE DAY are related.
noauth
hal
<x.smili...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Has anyone ever tried melatonin for depression?
yes
> Any success?
no
> The
>reason I ask is because it is a sleep inducing hormone, and part of
>depression(in my case)is lack of decent sleep. So since depression
>and lack of sleep are related, then it stands to reason that perhaps
>an increase of melatonin might help the sleeping AND the depression.
try Remeron (mirtazapine). Worked wonderfully for me to restore
normal sleep patterns.
Nom dePlume
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It's easy enough to try, certainly. If it works, great. If not, then my
suggestion is that you have a sleep study done, to see if you have a sleep
disorder. Obstructive Sleep Apnea can cause a lot of problems, including
mood problems, but it is treatable.
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>
> "Bent Attorney Esq." <x.smili...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Has anyone ever tried melatonin for depression? Any success? The
>> reason I ask is because it is a sleep inducing hormone, and part of
>> depression(in my case)is lack of decent sleep. So since depression
>> and lack of sleep are related, then it stands to reason that perhaps
>> an increase of melatonin might help the sleeping AND the depression.
>
> It's easy enough to try, certainly. If it works, great. If not, then my
> suggestion is that you have a sleep study done, to see if you have a sleep
> disorder. Obstructive Sleep Apnea can cause a lot of problems, including
> mood problems, but it is treatable.
>
Another attorney? Join the club! They claim that the legal profession is
particularly vulnerable to depression and burnout.
I am taking a 2 mg tablet (very occasionally 2) at night, for sleep. It
certainly helps. My pdoc was a bit worried, but agrees at those levels, it
is harmless. She also came out with a comment that it helps prevent cancer
(but I wouldn't take it for that reason alone.) She had me on a sub-lingual
form a while back. Apparently the absorption rate of the tablets is lower.
I consulted a sleep specialist, who recommended that I practise better sleep
hygiene. An Australian sleep hygiene program (I bought a copy) is now
available in the U.S.: http://www.sleepbetter.com.au/ The author is a
psychologist and a Ph.D. in Melbourne. The sleep clinic in my town is
supervised by him. The program consists ot 3 audio cassettes or CDs. The
booklet summarises them, and there is a "sleep diary" for you to fill out.
No "magic" use of white noise or similar; it is a self-training program. He
claims an 80% success rate.
Nom, I have just been accepted for Blue Voices, which seems to be a public
awareneess thing. http://www.beyondblue.org/ seems to have the same address
at the top of every page. Anybody interested can click on "Join BlueVoices"
in the News column (second from right,) but it is for Aussies only.
Doug, LL.B. (Melb.)
Nom dePlume
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> Nom, I have just been accepted for Blue Voices, which seems to be a public
> awareneess thing. http://www.beyondblue.org/ seems to have the same
> address
> at the top of every page. Anybody interested can click on "Join
> BlueVoices"
> in the News column (second from right,) but it is for Aussies only.
What does 'accepted for it' mean? I took a quick look, and I can see that
the site deals with depression, but it wasn't clear to me what you will be
doing with them.
Regardless, I assume this is a good thing, so congratulations!
Anonymous
> Doug Laidlow wrote...
>> Nom, I have just been accepted for Blue Voices...
>> http://www.beyondblue.org/
It means his sleep problems and depression are the result of
oxygen deprivation and stems from his head being wedged firmly
up his butt hole.
They will attempt yank it out using a torque wrench.
Bent Attorney Esq.
> x-no-archive:yes
> On Oct 2, 9:30 pm, "Bent Attorney Esq." <x.smiling_ti...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Has anyone ever tried melatonin
>
>
> > Any success?
> > depression
> > and lack of sleep are related
>
> serotonin has got anything to do with relieving depression.
>
> If you want to go that way (that is the serotoninergic path) then
> supplement with 5-htp or even better St Johns Wort or even better both
> of them, as long as you don't take any other SSR(N)I's.
I've tried St. Johns Wort. It doesn't seem to help me. I've also
tried 5htp and it helps me quite a bit. The trouble is that it stops
working after a few weeks.
noauth
> I've tried St. Johns Wort. It doesn't seem to help me.
> working after a few weeks.
Listen up, moron.
Forget the OTC stuff.
Forget Seroquel.
Get a job.
Get a life.
Anonymous
Bent Attorney Esq.
I have a life and many wives. They even built my house for me as
evidenced here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRCUEYPj0Xg
note this video may not be suitable for minors of iron ore and/or coal.
Larry Hoover
"Bent Attorney Esq." <x.smili...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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You won't know if it will help you unless you try using some. Of all the
supplements in existence, this is one of the few for which I cannot conceive
of an adverse effect, but which has the potential to immediately provide a
very solid benefit. Even if it doesn't help your sleep, it's an exceptional
antioxidant.
The most critical issue to understand is that each of us has a unique
dose-response relationship to oral melatonin. All of our dose-response
curves have a similar shape, but the point of peak dose-responsiveness in
individual A could be well over an order of magnitude more than, or less
than, that of individual B.
We're accustomed to thinking in terms of linear dose-response. That's both
the most common case and the simplest case. A low dose leads to low
response; a higher dose leads to higher response, and so on. Melatonin is
not like that over the entire dose range, and that is the difficulty in
using melatonin for sleep. If you take too much, it will have no effect at
all. If you take too little, the effect might be too weak to encourage
continued use. Every individual must find their own high-response dose
"window".
Melatonin has what is called an inverted-U dose response curve. Picture a
capital U upside down. The dose response steeply rises, slowly levels off,
slowly falls off again, and then plummets back to zero (all in terms of
increasing dose). If that picture isn't clear to you, you might consider
looking at the standard bell curve:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve If the steep decline on either
side of the peak continued downwards rather than flaring out at the ends, it
would be correct for melatonin. In fact, a modified bell curve better
represents the dose-response than does an inverted U. The key concept to be
defined for each of us is the dose scale along the bottom of the bell curve.
Your dose scale is different than mine. Your peak response is different than
mine. (Excluding coincidence, of course.) For either one of us though, if we
take too much, we'll have less response than if we took a smaller dose.
We'll be past the peak on our curve, and increasing the dose further will
lead to an even worse response, contrary to intuition.
So, you need to start with a small dose of melatonin, and gradually increase
the dose, until you find the peak response. If taking more works less well,
then you've passed your own personal peak.
Standard pill forms that I've seen for melatonin are of two doses, either
0.3 mg, or 3 mg. I have no idea why this standardization has occurred the
way it has. In my case, I best respond to between 0.4 and 0.7 mg melatonin
(depending on brand). I generally break pills to make the dose adjustment.
However, I recently came upon a brand at my local Walmart that was a liquid,
with a calibrated eyedropper (Vivitas Woman Sleep Right). Because it's a
liquid, and dose is proportional to volume, I can take a precise dose with
very little bother. I estimate that one bottle of this stuff will last me
about 8 months of nightly use, for around $10. This liquid would also be
ideal for titrating to the optimal dose, because dose can so easily be
adjusted.
As I said, my peak response occurs at between 0.4 and 0.7 mg/night. I've
talked to people who require 9-12 mg/night. That's about 20 times what I
take. You have to find the dose that works for you.
Lar
Doug Laidlaw
> "Doug Laidlaw" <blac...@afraid.org> wrote in message
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>> Nom, I have just been accepted for Blue Voices, which seems to be a
>> public
>> awareneess thing. http://www.beyondblue.org/ seems to have the same
>> address
>> at the top of every page. Anybody interested can click on "Join
>> BlueVoices"
>> in the News column (second from right,) but it is for Aussies only.
>
> What does 'accepted for it' mean? I took a quick look, and I can see that
> the site deals with depression, but it wasn't clear to me what you will be
> doing with them.
>
> Regardless, I assume this is a good thing, so congratulations!
>
I am not sure. I had to fill out a printed form and submit it by snail
mail. They probably don't want people who are using it to sell their latest
book or health product. I think it is basically a speakers bureau. The
welcoming e-mail contained a list of what members had done recently. Here
is the August list:
"
* QLD Member was interviewed for the Practical Parenting magazine
about her experience with postnatal depression
* 6 blueVoices members from the Young Person's Reference Group
distributed beyondblue wristbands at the Rock Eisteddfod Grand Finals in
Hobart (Aug 21) and Adelaide (Aug 27)
* 19 blueVoices members participated in a teleconference providing
feedback on the Better Access Initiative (3 NSW, 4 QLD, 1 TAS, 2 SA, 1
NT, 2 WA, 5 VIC and 1 ACT)
* 6 blueVoices members from the Older Person's Reference Group
provided feedback for a beyondblue funded National Ageing Research
Institute (NARI) scoping study on depression in older age
* 3 members of blueVoices (SA, VIC and ACT) were interviewed for the
Consumers Health Forum (CHF) Health Voices Journal about their personal
experience with depression and anxiety
* SA Member was interviewed for the beyondblue Rural Women's Bulletin
about her personal experience living in a rural area and caring for her
husband who has depression and bipolar disorder
* 14 blueVoices members from across Australia with personal experience
with perinatal depression and their partners put their names forward to
the producers to appear on the SBS Insight Program 'Coping with Baby'
(which went to air on SBS on September 22)[ one of my wife's favourite
programs.]
* blueVoices members completed the Department of Health and Ageing
Better Access Initiative online surveys to help provide new referral
options and treatment pathways for people with mental health disorders
through Medicare.
"
Medicare in Australia is like Medicare in the US, but is for everybody.
Since then I have been sent a press release.
Beyond Blue was started by Victorian Premier Jeff Kennett, who is still
Chairman. He had been Premier before and had been thrown out. He took over
the State Government when a Labor Government had run it into debt. He ran
the State with about as much autocracy as Bush, or perhaps more like a
company CEO, concentrated on Melbourne and ignored the country. After many
run-ins with the Parliamentary watchdog, he abolished him. We never heard
from his Ministers - he did all the talking. He did turn our deficit
around, but he doesn't sound empathetic. Nevertheless, he started Beyond
Blue with some of his excess cashflow, and it is now the national depression
initiative. Both my pdoc and I see the Black Dog Institute
http://www.blackdoginstitute.org.au/ as more for the ordinary person.
Among the Ambassadors, you may have heard of John Konrads. He was a wizard
swimmer at the 1960 Melbourne Olympics. He went into business, headed his
own company, and seems to have become the type of case that Terry Real wrote
about. There are numerous examples like him. Jessica Rowe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Rowe is the only woman among the
thumbnails. She experienced post-natal depression after the birth of her
first child.
Doug.
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Anonymous
> I am not sure.... I think it is basically a speakers bureau.
you need an enema
Nomen Nescio
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> I am not sure.... I think it is basically a speakers bureau.
you need an enema
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you can't tolerate it. Valerian is not contraindicated, either.
Doug Laidlaw
> Valerian is better. It's herbal. Melatonin will give you a "hangover" if
> you can't tolerate it. Valerian is not contraindicated, either.
I found that Valerian helped. My daughter was networking for Amway, but
they had camomile only. It wasn't as good as Valerian. I tried Mogadon
(nitrazepam) but I can't tolerate benzodiazepines. At the moment, I am
taking 2 mg Melatonin tablet nightly. My pdoc was a bit concerned that I
was taking it without asking her, but she had no issue with 2 mg. She
warned me that bright light will turn its action off. If you have to get up
during the night, keep the light intensity down, if possible.
Sometimes, all one needs is good sleeping habits. A sleep specialist told
me that it was all I needed. In an online assessment, a lightbox vendor
told me to have two lightbox sessions a day to straighten out my pattern. I
bought the training kit from http://www.sleepbetter.com.au/, which claims an
80% success rate, but I am too weak-willed to apply it properly. I do use
his relaxation exercise (on the third tape/CD) at bedtime. The kit is now
available in the U.S.: see the link at the top of the page. Most case
histories he quotes agree:
Get up at the right time.
Don't nap during the day.
No coffee, cola or chocolate, etc products (or guarina) after 3 p.m.
Then you will be tired at bedtime.
At the moment, it is 1:00 a.m. here, and I am on my second wind.
Doug.