Famous Artists With Manic Depression ?
X Tecumseh Clark
actors, directors, and so forth, in the present or from
history, who have/had manic depression/bipolar disorder?
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X TECUMSEH CLARK
KEYBOARDIST for TODD TAMANEND CLARK
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> Who are some of the famous artists, writers, musicians,
> actors, directors, and so forth, in the present or from
> history, who have/had manic depression/bipolar disorder?
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Regards,
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Robert Schumann
Serge Rachmaninov
G F Handel
Kay Redfield Jamison
Winston Churchill
Peter Gabriel
Billy Joel
uhh... thats just a few off the top of my head :-)
bw
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Garfunkel
> Who are some of the famous artists, writers, musicians,
> actors, directors, and so forth, in the present or from
> history, who have/had manic depression/bipolar disorder?
>
therein.
There is an excellent book by D. Jablow Hershman and Julian Lieb, MD,
"Manic Depression and Creativity" (Prometheus Books, Amherst, NY,
1998). Individual chapters are devoted to Newton, Beethoven, Dickens,
and Van Gogh. In various places in their summary chapters many others
are mentioned as almost certainly to have had bipolar disorder:
Jonathan Swift, Samuel Johnson, Elizabeth Barrett Browning, Maxim
Gorky, Gauguin, Franz Liszt, the American philosopher William James,
the German writer Heinrich von Kleist, the English painter Romney, the
Italian composer Rossini, Nathaniel Hawthorne, the French poet
Rimbaud, Michelangelo, the French mathematician Lagrange, the German
composer Wagner, the Polish composer Chopin, the French writer George
Sand, the English poet Shelley, Pablo Picasso, the English poet Keats,
the Russian poet Pushkin, and many more.
As you can see, to be judged "bipolar" means you are in pretty
respectable company! ;-)
Mitchell
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Papa Red
Of course it doesn't list me,..But hey,...C'est la vie,... Mon
Ami!,...Such is Life,...My Friend!
Pax Vobiscum,...~Papa Red.
Papa Red
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tom
Interesting site, but it lists people with any psychiatric illness,
including BP and depression.
Tom
Papa Red
Rich
Famous manic depressives
Group: alt.discuss.mythology Date: Mon, Jul 1, 2002, 7:45am (EDT-2)
From: hame...@webtv.net (Cait Shanachie)
This is meant to be an illustrative rather than a comprehensive list;
for systematic studies, see text. Most of the writers, composers, and
artists are American, British, European, Irish, or Russian; all are
deceased . . . Many if not most of these writers, artists, and composers
had other major problems as well, such as medical illnesses, alcoholism
or drug addiction, or exceptionally difficult life circumstances. They
are listed here as having suffered from a mood disorder because their
mood symptoms redated their other conditions, because the nature and
course of their mood and behavior symptoms were consistent with a
diagnosis of an independently existing affective illness, and/or because
their family histories of depression, manic-depressive illness, and
suicide--coupled with their own symptoms--were sufficiently strong to
warrant their inclusion."
KEY:
H = Asylum or psychiatric hospital
S = Suicide
SA = Suicide attempt
Writers
Hans Christian Andersen
Honore de Balzac
James Barrie
Arthur Benson (H)
E.F. Benson
James Boswell
William Faulkner (H)
F. Scott Fitzgerald (H)
Lewis Grassic Gibbon (SA)
Nikolai Gogl
Maxim Gorky (SA)
Kenneth Graham
Graham Greene
Ernest Hemingway (H, S)
Hermann Hesse (H, SA)
Henrik Ibsen
William Inge (H, S)
Henry James
William James
Charles Lamb (H)
Malcolm Lowry (H, S)
John Bunyan
Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)
Joseph Conrad (SA)
Charles Dickens
Isak Dinesen (SA)
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Herman Melville
Eugene O'Neill (H, SA)
Francis Parkman
John Ruskin (H)
Mary Shelley
Jean Stafford (H)
Robert Louis Stevenson
August Strindberg
Leo Tolstoy
Ivan Turgenev
Tennessee Williams (H)
Mary Wollstonecraft (SA)
Virginia Woolf (H, S)
Emile Zola
Composers
Anton Arensky
Hector Berlioz (SA)
Anton Bruckner (H)
Jeremiah Clarke (S)
John Dowland
Edward Elgar
Carlo Gesualdo
Mikhail Glinka
George Frederic Handel
Gustav Holst
Charles Ives
Otto Klemperer (H)
Orlando de Lassus
Gustav Mahler
Modest Mussorgsky
Sergey Rachmaninoff
Giocchino Rossini
Robert Schumann (H, SA)
Alexander Scriagbin
Peter Tchaikovsky
Peter Warlock (S)
Hugo Wolf (H, SA)
Bernd Alois Zimmerman (S)
Nonclassical composers and musicians
Irving Berlin (H)
Noel Coward
Stephen Foster
Charles Mingus (H)
Charles Parker (H, SA)
Cole Porter (H)
Bud Powell (H)
Kurt Cobain, musician (Nirvana) (S 1994) Poets
Antonin Artaud (H)
Konstantin Batyushkov (H, SA)
Charles Baudelaire (SA)
Thomas Lovell Beddoes (S)
John Berryman (H, S)
William Blake
Aleksandr Blok
Barcroft Boake (S)
Louis Bogan (H)
Rupert Brooke
Robert Burns
George Gordon, Lord Byron
Thomas Campbell
Paul Celan (S)
Thomas Chatterton (S)
John Clare (H)
Harley Coleridge
Samuel Taylor Coleridge
William Collins (H)
William Cowper (H, SA)
Hart Crane (S)
George Darley
John Davidson (S)
Emily Dickinson
Ernest Dowson
T.S. Eliot (H)
Sergey Esenin (S)
Robert Fergusson (H)
Afanasy Fet (SA)
Anne Finch, Countess of Winchilsea
Edward FitzGerald
John Gould Fletcher (S)
Gustaf Froding (SA, H)
Oliver Goldsmith
Adam Lindsay Gordon (S)
Thomas Gray
Nikolai Gumilyov (SA)
Robert Stephen Hawker
Friedrich Holderlin (H)
Gerard Manley Hopkins
Victor Hugo
Randal Jarrell (H, S)
Samuel Johnson
John Keats - More
Henry Kendall (H)
Velimir Khlebnikov (H)
Heinrich Von Kleist (S)
Walter Savage Landor
Nikolaus Lenau (H)
J.M.R. Lenz (SA)
Mikhail Lermontov
Vachel Lindsay (S)
James Russell Lowell
Robert Lowell (H)
Hugh MacDiarmid (H)
Louis MacNeice
Osip Mandelstam (H, SA)
James Clarence Mangan
Vladimir Mayakovsky (S)
Edna St. Vincent Millay (H)
Alfred de Musset
Gerard de Nerval (H, S)
Boris Pasternak (H)
Cesare Pavese (S)
Sylvia Plath (H, S)
Edgar Allan Poe (SA)
Ezra Pound (H)
Alexander Pushkin
Laura Riding (SA)
Theodore Roethke (H)
Delmore Schwartz (H)
Anne Sexton (H, S)
Percy Bysshe Shelley (SA)
Christopher Smart (H)
Torquato Tasso (H)
Sara Teasdale (H, S)
Alfred, Lord tennyson
Dylan Thomas
Edward thomas
Francis Thompson
George Trakl (H, S)
Marina Tsvetayeva (S)
Walt Whitman
Artists
Ralph Barton (S)
Francesco Bassano (S)
Ralph Blakelock (H)
David Bomberg
Francesco Borromini (S)
John Sell Cotman
Richard Dadd (H)
Edward Dayes (S)
Thomas Eakins
Paul Gauguin (SA)
Theodore Gericault
Hugo van der Goes
Vincent van Gogh (H, S) -
Arshile Gorky (S)
Philip Guston (H)
Benjamin Haydon (S)
Carl Hill (H)
Ernst Josephson (H)
George Innes (SA)
Ernst Ludwig Kirchner (H, S)
Edwin Landseer (H)
Edward Lear
Wilhelm Lehmbruck (S)
John Martin
Charles Meryon (H)
Michelangelo
Adolphe Monticelli
Edvard Meunch (H)
Jules Pascin (S)
Georgia O'Keeffe (H)
Raphaelle Peal (H)
Jackson Pollock (H)
George Romney
Dante Gabriel Rossetti (SA)
Mark Rothko (S)
Nicolas de Stael (S)
Pietro Testa (S)
Henry Tilson (S)
George Frederic Watts
Sir David Wilkie
Anders Zorn
Family Ties
Here are a couple of more paragraphs, from pages 236 - 237 of "Touched
With Fire; Manic-Depressive Ilness and the Artistic Temperament." [she
writes about the family trees of afflicted people] "All these pedigrees
demonstrate the wide range of expression of a genetic illness, from its
milder forms, which can appear as temperaments, to the more psychotic
and suicidal forms that appear as full-blown manic depressive insanity.
"Obviously, many other writers, artists, and composers had family
members who suffered from manic-depressive illness or severe recurrent
depressions, were declared insane and committed to asylums or hospitals,
or committed suicide. Those with at least ONE SERIOUSLY AFFECTED
FIRST-DEGREE RELATIVE (often there were several include): Hans Christian
Andersen
Konstantin Batyushkov
Arthur and E.F. Benson
Elizabeth Bishop
Aleksandr Blok
Charlotte and Emily Bronte
Anton Bruckner
Thomas Campbell
Thomas Chatterton
Samuel Clemens
John Sell Cotman
Gustave Courbet
Richard Dadd
Isak Dinesen
Ernest Dowson
Thomas Eakins
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Edward FitzGerald
Robert Frost
Thomas Gainsborough
Johann Wolfgang Goethe
Nikolai Gogol
Kenneth Graham
Thomas Gray
Hermann Hesse
Charles Lamb
Louis MacNeice
John Martin
Marianne Moore
Edvard Meunch
Francis Parkman
Walker Percy
Sylvia Plath
Jackson Pollock
Cole Porter
Edwin Arlington Robinson
Dante Gabriel Rossetti
Giocchino Rossini
John Rishkin
Alexander Scriabin
Robert Louis Stevenson
Peter Tchaikovsky
J.M.W. Turner
Walt Whitman
Emile Zola
"These findings are consistent with those of Dr.S Andreasen, McNeil,
Richards, and Karlsson (chapter 3) showing that mental illness and
creativity tend to aggregate in certain families and not in others. The
high rates of mood disorders and suicide in the literary and artistic
families portrayed in this chapter are also consistent with studies
showing greatly increased rates of manic depressive and depressive
illness in the first degree relatives of individuals who have manic
depressive illness.
"It is important to emphasize, however, that many writers and artists
have no family history of these illnesses, nor do they themselves suffer
from depression or manic depressive illness. This point is critical. The
basic argument of this book is not that all writers and artists are
depressed, suicidal, or manic. It is, rather, that a greatly
disproportionate number of them are; that the manic depressive and
artistic temperaments are causally related to one another. The genetic
basis of manic depressive illness provides not only one part of this
argument, but also the constitutional core of a determining temperament,
one providing in part the sealed orders with which so many sail."
2>Living x-polars
Here is an ongoing list of famous LIVING bipolars (manic depressives)
and famous LIVING unipolars (depression only). Famous Living Bipolars
This list is being compiled gradually as people who are bipolar release
this information to the public. The following individuals have stated
publicly that they are bipolar:
Robert Boorstin, writer, special assistant to Pres. Clinton; Rosemary
Clooney, singer ; Dick Cavett, writer, media personality;
Kitty Dukakis, former First Lady of Massachusetts; Patty Duke (Anna
Pearce), actor, writer;
Connie Francis, actor, musician;
Peter Gabriel, musician;
Shecky Greene, comedian;
Kristin Hersh, musician (Throwing Muses); Peter Nolan Lawrence, writer
Bill Lichtenstein, producer (TV & radio) Kristy McNichols, actor Kate
Millett, writer
Spike Mulligan, comic actor and writer, Patron of the MFD Murray Pezim
Charley Pride, musician
Axl Rose, musician
John Strugnell, Biblical scholar, Harvard Ted Turner, entrepreneur,
media giant (U.S.) Jonathon Winters, comedian, actor, writer, artist
Famous Living Unipolars
These people have said publicly that they have had one or more episodes
of depression:
Buzz Aldrin, astronaut
Rona Barrett, entertainment reporter, author Art Buchwald, writer
Barbara Bush, former First Lady (U.S.)
Ray Charles, musician
Eric Clapton, musician
Dick Clark, television personality (American Bandstand) Leonard Cohen,
musician, writer
Francis Ford Coppola, director
Michael Crichton, writer
Kathy Conkrite, writer (daughter of Walter Conkrite) Sheryl Crow,
musician
Mike Douglas, media personality
Tony Dow, actor, director
Thomas Eagleton, former politician; professor James Farmer, civil rights
activist (1960s to present) Jules Feiffer, playwright, screenwriter,
cartoonist Albert French, writer
John Kenneth Galbraith, economist, educator, author Mariette Hartley,
actor
Stephen Hawking, physicist
Anthony Hopkins, actor
Salvador Luria, scientist (bacterial genetics), Nobel Laureate Robert
McFarlane, former National Security Advisor (U.S.)
Sarah McLachlan, musician
Charley Pell, former coach, Univ of Florida Bonnie Raitt, musician Joan
Rivers, comedienne, talk show host
Roseanne, actor, writer, comedienne, also has MPD & OCD Linda Sexton,
writer (daughter of Anne Sexton)
Rod Steiger, actor
William Styron, writer
Kate Taylor, musician
James Taylor, musician
Livingston Taylor, musician
Mike Wallace, news anchor
ohhhhhhnooooooo
Clark) wrote:
>Who are some of the famous artists, writers, musicians,
>actors, directors, and so forth, in the present or from
>history, who have/had manic depression/bipolar disorder?
>
IIRC one or both
Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love ?
ohhhhhhnooooooo
>Quit dragging artists names through the mud.
that wasn't my intent
Garfunkel
psychiatric drugs -- for they were only "discovered" around 1950 or
1960. (I'm not including herbal medicines, or drugs that may have
psychiatric effects, such as opiates, marijuana, LSD, alcohol, etc.)
Would they have been as successful in their careers if society had
forced them to take psychiatric pharmaceuticals? (Personally, I don't
think so. I think their creativity would have been "tranquilized"
away. So our society would have done without most of their great
works.)
Crotalus
medication. years.
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point too!
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> Yes, and without medication half of them would have been jailed at some
> point too!
>
I think most of these creative artists who lived before the
development of medications managed to live their lives without ever
being jailed.
Most behaviour that psychiatrists try to treat is NOT behaviour that
would be considered criminal, and therefore worthy of imprisonment.
Let's not forget cases like Ernest Hemingway: someone who decided
suicide was preferable to life after his psychiatric treatment. (I
think it was the degree to which ECT destroyed his brain that led him
to suicide as soon as he could accomplish it after hospitalization:
better suicide than another ECT treatment, or than life after ECT --
seems to have been his attitude.)
Imagineforawhile
you wonder about the pages of history we write today for our children. Some
great discoveries may be lost numbed by meds. On the other hand some terrible
incidents have occurred from mis-medicated, misdiagnosed people. Or is that how
things are suppose to be? Then I just stop thinking and decide that could only
be the beginning of a psychotic episode if i got stuck on those unanswerable
thoughts.
Imagine~~~*
%@&% writes:
>I can think of some people who would have been medicated had they been born
>today in the USA and it may have destroyed their lives and the world would
>have
>suffered a great loss.
Rich
medication) have a higher rate of incarceration. There is definitely a lot
of traffic between jails and mental institutions which, sometimes for lack
of funding, release people who are still quite unstable.
I don't see why it's so difficult for you to carry on a civil conversation.
Most people are able to post with respect for others. Try it!
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> Bullshit.. How much does Eli Lilly pay you to post here?
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> >"Rich" <an...@anon.com> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:38:35 GMT, in
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> Schizoaffective Disorder and the Evil HMO
> http://schizoaffective.org/index.htm
Garfunkel
> It's actually a well known fact that mentally ill patients (without
> medication) have a higher rate of incarceration. There is definitely a lot
> of traffic between jails and mental institutions which, sometimes for lack
> of funding, release people who are still quite unstable.
> I don't see why it's so difficult for you to carry on a civil conversation.
> Most people are able to post with respect for others. Try it!
>
What do you find uncivil about my posts?
The "mentally ill" patients I have encountered who seem to oscillate
between prisons and state psychiatric hospitals were ones who had
learned how to fake an illness to get free meals, lodging, and drugs.
The police tend to know them by name. They live their lives
oscillating between the street, psychiatric hospitals, and
jails/prisons. What you call "instability" is just their next effort
to gain admission to the psychiatric hospital! It is just a big joke,
and taxpayers are footing the bill!
Most people who have been told they have mental illnesses never see
the inside of either a psychiatric hospital or of a jail/prison.
Rich
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