Bipolar Disorder is...
Mark
to a behavior pattern.
I can think of at least 5 different
reasons why one would have this
pattern.
So what should we do?
Find the source of your personal
experience.
The behaviour pattern is no longer
a disorder if it doesn't interfer with
the productivity of your life.
*******
Mark
Mark
> Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:b2bda487-d077-4b09-87cc-
> f61754852...@z31g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > The behaviour pattern is no longer
> > a disorder if it doesn't interfer with
> > the productivity of your life.
>
> > *******
> > Mark
>
> would constitute a disorder, the disorder is permanent and fluctuates, so
> it only appears to "go away".
No, I don't have anything backwards.
Just because you had it in the past, doesn't AT ALL mean
it's permanent. In fact, some psychological abberations
are simply "outgrown" with maturity. In the case of bipolar
behaviour, it occured for a reason, and it can unoccur for
a reason.
Bipolar isn't a noun, it's a verb.
> But if there are normal life problems which don't constitute a disorder,
> they would resolve themselves as you suggest.
Maybe but still very similar. Some problems are just more
readily apparent, that's all. Resolutions have to be sought
out. Like...divorce. Lol.
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Mark
> --
> Azz Pizz Institute
> The OFFICIAL Verbal Diarrhea Think Tank (tm)
> Washington, DC
Erin
Sorry to butt in -- i've been following this. If only Mark had all
the cards.
No, it can't be easily reversed even if it is only occasional during a
lifetime.
Emil Kraepelin (the pioneer of modern psychiatry) observed the
fluctuation
of manic-depression through many people's lives. Some got better,
some
got worse with age and all had intermittent episodes.
The problem now, is that once you are on meds for bp or any disorder
for
that matter, you cannot be taken off without *that* disorder returning
(timing
is everythin) or some other disorder caused by drug withdrawal, which
can be worse or fatal.
Erin
Mark
> Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:e2fd763e-adc5-4d58...@o15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > Just because you had it in the past, doesn't AT ALL mean
> > it's permanent. In fact, some psychological abberations
> > are simply "outgrown" with maturity. In the case of bipolar
> > behaviour, it occured for a reason, and it can unoccur for
> > a reason.
>
> with problems better, have more effective medication, take shock
> treatments, go to therapy, etc. As I mentioned, one of the features of the
> disorder is the condition cycling between getting better and worse, which
> depends on these actions. But once the trauma sets off the gene the
> disorder is always there and can't be "reversed" or "outgrown". Do hearing
> aids "cure" deafness?
>
> --
> Azz Pizz Institute
> The OFFICIAL Verbal Diarrhea Think Tank (tm)
> Washington, DC
LOL! What gene? Site reference.
Do hearing aids cure deafness? no. Surgery might
Do medicines cure manic depression. no. Antibiotics might,
just depends on why you have this behavioral trait.
It became onset at some point. It can become offset.
******
Mark LLC
Mark
First of all, Hello Erin. ;)
Heh, I never said it was gonna be easy.
> Emil Kraepelin (the pioneer of modern psychiatry) observed the
> fluctuation
> of manic-depression through many people's lives. Some got better,
> some
> got worse with age and all had intermittent episodes.
I'd have to know more about the test group.
> The problem now, is that once you are on meds for bp or any disorder
> for
> that matter, you cannot be taken off without *that* disorder returning
> (timing
> is everythin)
Now wait a minute. Psychotrophic drugs only sedate and mask.
They are the proverbial smoke on the beehive. They don't even
begin to address what the cause is, which to this day is officially
designated as unknown, with some theoretical genetic mumbo
jumbo listed as a probablility, which by the way, is the official
answer for several other unexplained abnormalities.
Post traumatic shock coupled with a narcissistic
personality disorder will give you bipolar every time.
Borrelia Burgdorferi bacteria, which is transmitted thru
tick bites and is the cause of Lyme disease, which by
the way is right now the number one infectious epidemic
in the WORLD (more than aids), causes a neurological
degeneration and personality shift which is textbook
bipolar.
There are MANY OTHERS.
The medical community is ignorant and conforms to
generalized theories which satisfy insurance companies
and family members.
> or some other disorder caused by drug withdrawal, which
> can be worse or fatal.
Well sure Erin, but isn't this just a logistical problem that
is mitigated by titration and proper weaning?
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>
> Erin- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Mark
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:35:41 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
> > Just because you had it in the past, doesn't AT ALL mean
> > it's permanent. In fact, some psychological abberations
> > are simply "outgrown" with maturity. In the case of bipolar
> > behaviour, it occured for a reason, and it can unoccur for
> > a reason.
>
Yes I know. In fact not only do people discuss a cure,
they don't even prove a cause. Well, that's just not good
enough for me.
>What on
> earth gave you the idea it can just "unoccur" ?
I have multiple reasons for believing this. I can speak
from my own life experience for one. Or I can discuss
many plausable and reasonable medical and
psychological aspects to this pathology. I see things
from a perspective that most people don't.
> Do you by any chance
> believe in divine intervention or something?
Honestly? It would run contrary to scientific method
to exclude divine intervention too. If you doubt me,
look up Einstein's and other famous scientist's and
doctor's writings on this.
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Mark
> Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:e2fd763e-adc5-4d58...@o15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > Just because you had it in the past, doesn't AT ALL mean
> > it's permanent. In fact, some psychological abberations
> > are simply "outgrown" with maturity. In the case of bipolar
> > behaviour, it occured for a reason, and it can unoccur for
> > a reason.
>
Of course you can. People outgrow autism all the time.
People even outgrow schizophrenia. Don't you think you
can't do the same for manic depression?
Look at Sally Fields. Look at Buzz Aldrin.
Look at me. Tons of people outgrow bipolar disorder.
*******
Mark LLC
Erin
I agree that there are many causes which lead to mania and depression
and
that these causes may be external. In such cases recovery is
possible.
As for the genetic mumbo jumbo -- i am not a biologist. But even
before
the discovery of DNA, Hippocrates and many ancients, described the
symptoms of manic depression to a *t*. So, they knew about mental
illness
then, and did all kinds of strange things to treat depression. Just
do a search
on the history of psychiatry.
As for titrating a drug that may have changed the chemical or
functional
state of the brain-- well i guess we need a brain mechanic. With some
drugs
it can be done. Variables such as time taken, dose, state of the
brain, age,
and of course most importantly the drug, play a role. To give you an
example,
some heroin addicts once successfully withdrawn, cannot just recover
back
to their pre-heroin addiction state, but must take a substitute drug
for the
rest of their lives. This is a secondary problem in pharmacological
treatment.
Erin
Mark
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:49:30 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
> > LOL! What gene? Site reference.
>
>
> I'm sorry it's in Dutch, but I'll translate some parts. It's dated March
> 27 2007.
>
> "Verschillende kandidaat-genen en diverse kandidaat-regio’s op de
> chromosomen zijn nog volop in onderzoek. Inmiddels is de betrokkenheid
> van het FAT gen op 4q35 en het DAOA (G72)/G30 gen op 13q33 bij de
> bipolaire stoornis vastgesteld."
>
> Different candidate-genes en several candidate-regions on the
> chromosomes are still being investigated. Meanwhile involvement of the
> FAT gene on 4q35 en the DAOA (G27)/G30 gene on 13q33 are determined with
> bipolar disorder.
>
> "Hoewel de bewijzen nog niet zo robuust zijn als de bewijzen voor de
> betrokkenheid van het dysbindin (DTNBP1) gen en het neuroulin 1 (NRG1)
> gen bij schizofrenie, mogen het FAT gen op 4q35 en in iets mindere mate
> het DAOA (G72)/G30 op 13q33 toch wel definitief beschouwd worden als bij
> de bipolaire stoornis betrokken genen."
>
> This text states that evidence in the form of a gene and neurolin for
> schizofrenia isn't rock solid. However, the FAT gene on 4q35 (and more
> or less the DAOA (G27)/G30 gene on 13q33) can definitively be consired
> as a bipolar disorder gene.
>
> You referred to Einstein in your other postings, so you seem to be a man
> who believes in science. Well, science is saying that there are certain
> genes involved in bipolar disorder. Are they lieing?
Mark
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:49:30 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
>
>
> I'm sorry it's in Dutch, but I'll translate some parts. It's dated March
> 27 2007.
>
> "Verschillende kandidaat-genen en diverse kandidaat-regio’s op de
> chromosomen zijn nog volop in onderzoek. Inmiddels is de betrokkenheid
> van het FAT gen op 4q35 en het DAOA (G72)/G30 gen op 13q33 bij de
> bipolaire stoornis vastgesteld."
>
> Different candidate-genes en several candidate-regions on the
> chromosomes are still being investigated. Meanwhile involvement of the
> FAT gene on 4q35 en the DAOA (G27)/G30 gene on 13q33 are determined with
> bipolar disorder.
>
> "Hoewel de bewijzen nog niet zo robuust zijn als de bewijzen voor de
> betrokkenheid van het dysbindin (DTNBP1) gen en het neuroulin 1 (NRG1)
> gen bij schizofrenie, mogen het FAT gen op 4q35 en in iets mindere mate
> het DAOA (G72)/G30 op 13q33 toch wel definitief beschouwd worden als bij
> de bipolaire stoornis betrokken genen."
>
> This text states that evidence in the form of a gene and neurolin for
> schizofrenia isn't rock solid. However, the FAT gene on 4q35 (and more
> or less the DAOA (G27)/G30 gene on 13q33) can definitively be consired
> as a bipolar disorder gene.
>
> You referred to Einstein in your other postings, so you seem to be a man
> who believes in science. Well, science is saying that there are certain
> genes involved in bipolar disorder. Are they lieing?
http://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/news/20070508/many-genes-may-affect-bipolar-disorder
No single gene stood out in the DNA studies. The genes identified by
McMahon's team were only modestly linked to bipolar disorder.
"These data suggest that bipolar disorder is ... influenced by many
genes, each of small effect," write McMahon and colleagues in
Molecular Psychiatry's online edition.
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Mark LLC
Mark
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:49:30 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
>
>
> I'm sorry it's in Dutch, but I'll translate some parts. It's dated March
> 27 2007.
>
> "Verschillende kandidaat-genen en diverse kandidaat-regio’s op de
> chromosomen zijn nog volop in onderzoek. Inmiddels is de betrokkenheid
> van het FAT gen op 4q35 en het DAOA (G72)/G30 gen op 13q33 bij de
> bipolaire stoornis vastgesteld."
>
> Different candidate-genes en several candidate-regions on the
> chromosomes are still being investigated. Meanwhile involvement of the
> FAT gene on 4q35 en the DAOA (G27)/G30 gene on 13q33 are determined with
> bipolar disorder.
>
> "Hoewel de bewijzen nog niet zo robuust zijn als de bewijzen voor de
> betrokkenheid van het dysbindin (DTNBP1) gen en het neuroulin 1 (NRG1)
> gen bij schizofrenie, mogen het FAT gen op 4q35 en in iets mindere mate
> het DAOA (G72)/G30 op 13q33 toch wel definitief beschouwd worden als bij
> de bipolaire stoornis betrokken genen."
>
> This text states that evidence in the form of a gene and neurolin for
> schizofrenia isn't rock solid. However, the FAT gene on 4q35 (and more
> or less the DAOA (G27)/G30 gene on 13q33) can definitively be consired
> as a bipolar disorder gene.
>
> You referred to Einstein in your other postings, so you seem to be a man
> who believes in science. Well, science is saying that there are certain
> genes involved in bipolar disorder. Are they lieing?
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. Despite an intensive effort,
researchers have yet to identify the genes that cause bipolar
disorder, yet the practical benefits of such a discovery could reap
rich rewards for those suffering from the mental illness.
http://www.coolnurse.com/bipolar_genes.htm
Mark LLC
Mark
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:49:30 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
>
>
> I'm sorry it's in Dutch, but I'll translate some parts. It's dated March
> 27 2007.
>
> "Verschillende kandidaat-genen en diverse kandidaat-regio’s op de
> chromosomen zijn nog volop in onderzoek. Inmiddels is de betrokkenheid
> van het FAT gen op 4q35 en het DAOA (G72)/G30 gen op 13q33 bij de
> bipolaire stoornis vastgesteld."
>
> Different candidate-genes en several candidate-regions on the
> chromosomes are still being investigated. Meanwhile involvement of the
> FAT gene on 4q35 en the DAOA (G27)/G30 gene on 13q33 are determined with
> bipolar disorder.
>
> "Hoewel de bewijzen nog niet zo robuust zijn als de bewijzen voor de
> betrokkenheid van het dysbindin (DTNBP1) gen en het neuroulin 1 (NRG1)
> gen bij schizofrenie, mogen het FAT gen op 4q35 en in iets mindere mate
> het DAOA (G72)/G30 op 13q33 toch wel definitief beschouwd worden als bij
> de bipolaire stoornis betrokken genen."
>
> This text states that evidence in the form of a gene and neurolin for
> schizofrenia isn't rock solid. However, the FAT gene on 4q35 (and more
> or less the DAOA (G27)/G30 gene on 13q33) can definitively be consired
> as a bipolar disorder gene.
>
> You referred to Einstein in your other postings, so you seem to be a man
> who believes in science. Well, science is saying that there are certain
> genes involved in bipolar disorder. Are they lieing?
http://www.mcmanweb.com/article-216.htm
"The quest for the genetic cause or causes of depression and bipolar
disorder represents a virtual scientific Boulevard of Broken Dreams
thus far..."
"The authors of that study argued that genetic research trying to link
genes to illness has not proven fruitful for complex psychiatric
disorders. Instead, they have pursued a different line of enquiry
based on the interactions between genes and environment, which assumes
some genetic variants are more resistant to environmental stressors
than others and which can be uncovered in part by measuring the
effects of these stressors."
"The search is further confounded by the fact that unlike say
diabetes, a mood disorder leaves no discernible biological footprint
equivalent to blood glucose."
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Mark LLC
Erin
Is the question of a genetic link relevant to treatment for bipolar
symptoms?
Even if genes were found for mental disorders, as for cancer for
example,
how would that improve our ability to treat disease?
Erin
Mark
Yes you are correct.
In fact, I'm saying that all causes are/were external
for the most part, and only nurtured to an extent
by the predisposed personality type. This can be
fixed.
> As for the genetic mumbo jumbo -- i am not a biologist. But even
> before
> the discovery of DNA, Hippocrates and many ancients, described the
> symptoms of manic depression to a *t*. So, they knew about mental
> illness
> then, and did all kinds of strange things to treat depression. Just
> do a search
> on the history of psychiatry.
Well of course this is true. We're moving away from the topic
of DNA and addressing the issue of whether humans have been
the same for say...the last 30 thousand years, and I say YES.
Not only that, but you also have bipolar cats and dogs and
monkeys and birds.
It's a brain/psychological/biochemical/life experience vector.
> As for titrating a drug that may have changed the chemical or
> functional
> state of the brain-- well i guess we need a brain mechanic. With some
> drugs
> it can be done. Variables such as time taken, dose, state of the
> brain, age,
> and of course most importantly the drug, play a role.
Anyone can detox and titrate off a drug, but I'm not
advocating that. Some medicines are good "helpers"
and fit nicely into the healing equation.
>To give you an
> example,
> some heroin addicts once successfully withdrawn, cannot just recover
> back
> to their pre-heroin addiction state, but must take a substitute drug
> for the
> rest of their lives.
I don't believe that. Maybe for a couple of years, but
not for 50 years.
> This is a secondary problem in pharmacological
> treatment.
>
> Erin-
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Mark LLC
Erin
At least I think getting off drugs is dangerous. I know this from
personal experience and testimonials from support groups,
e.g. benzo.org. Titrating is a tricky proposition and doctors
are not addiction specialists. Then, there is the risk that one
has been wrong about the illness not returning, and the
effects of removing a medication one has been habituated to
for a long time.
Erin
Mark
Well, yes, because we control and manipulate our genes
by how we live. The big lie that must be recognized here
is that we are not trapped by a predetermined fate! We
are not prisoners unless we believe ourselves to be so.
Therefore, if you put all the emphesis on the genetic link,
(which isn't real) then you give up. The similarities of
genetic pecularities found in bipolar groups, *is more a
result of the similarities of how they live and think* which
in turn causes the genetic pattern.
Not the other way around. So yes, our treatment for
bipolar symptoms does not hinge around genetic
theories.
> Even if genes were found for mental disorders, as for cancer for
> example,
> how would that improve our ability to treat disease?
Look, I know what people are wishing for. There are
clinicians and sick people looking for the "magic bullet".
They're hoping that someone will be able to find a
GENE SPLICE and cure them in 10 minutes. And,
there are people hoping to INVENT and PATENT such
a thing and become a billionaire.
It just doesn't work that way. If some people were made
well today by the touch of a hand, in 5 years they would
be bipolar again.
So I say, look at the formulation of one's personality
as an infant. Look at the interaction of the parental
child bond for your first 20 years. Check one's blood
for pathogens. Look at your lifestyle now with regard
to nutrition and substance abuse. Search your heart
and soul for faith in something greater. Find OPTIMISM.
Find medicine that works to steer you, not fog you.
This is a start.
*******
Mark
Yes, getting off lifelong drugs is dangerous and takes
very professional expert guidance. But like I said, some
medicines are very helpful, ie, lithium, prozac and should
be continued. Heroin, Cocaine, etc., NO.
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Mark LLC
Mark
> On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 05:39:16 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
> > "These data suggest that bipolar disorder is ... influenced by many
> > genes, each of small effect," write McMahon and colleagues in
> > Molecular Psychiatry's online edition.
>
> that several genes are involved in bipolar disorder. Thank you for
> confirming the Dutch article.
I'm not going to argue with you. I didn't confirm
your article. The gene issue isn't definitive by
any means. I've already explained that your
behaviour shapes your genetics.
Furthermore, people just want to say, "OH, I can't
help myself cause my GEEEENES make me this
way! WAAAAH!"
Is that really what you want? An excuse to throw
in the towel? An excuse to use alcohol, cigarettes,
and drugs, to abuse abuse your body and live like
a hedonist, and then blame your shitty mental state
on your GENES?
Whatever.
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Mark LLC
Erin
Hee hee hee. Of course not-- we want new genes. :-)
Erin
Mark
>
> - Show quoted text -
See, along the line of genetics, I've developed this
perspective of intergenerational "curses" you might
say. It's where something nasty gets passed down from
parent to child for centuries.
But look, the way we act, think, interrelate, eat, smoke,
drink, pray, have sex, talk and listen, everything that
defines and describes us also shapes our biochemistry.
Disfunction begets disfunction! And, disfunction can be
passed down to an infant, and then reinforced totally by
the infant's early experiences of parental dysfunctional
interaction, and then family evils.
This fellow,
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/control-lifestyle-genes/
he shows a graphic of what I mean.
So, if you want new genes, you gotta make them
yourself. If you want new Jeans then you don't have
to make them unless you want to.
********
Mark LLC
Erin
>
> he shows a graphic of what I mean.
>
> So, if you want new genes, you gotta make them
> yourself. If you want new Jeans then you don't have
> to make them unless you want to.
>
> ********
> Mark LLC
It always seems to come down to a common denominator -- money.
Erin
Mark
> On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:09:43 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
> > Furthermore, people just want to say, "OH, I can't
> > help myself cause my GEEEENES make me this
> > way! WAAAAH!"
>
> are recessive and interact with environment in a very complex manner. So
> you're correct in saying that someone with "bipolar genes" isn't
> /always/ going to develop a bipolar disorder, but someone with those
> genes is definitely vulnerable.
Yes, or simply put, some *personalities*, especially
"artistic" types, seem to have this propensity, yet
I'm saying the *pathology* draws it's origins from a
psychological/developmental experience normally,
or from a_bacterial_ infection which attacks one's
neurology and immune system, or...from brain damage
sustained in an accident. There IS a REAL reason
for the behavioral pattern known as bipolar disorder
and I do not think genetics is the predominant factor.
> Somehow you got it in your head that once bipolar disorder roared its
> ugly head it can "disappear". That maybe so, if Harry Potter were real
> and waved his magic stick.
No, I'm not saying that unlearning the bipolar cycling trait
is easy at all. I'm saying that a personal discovery of one's
own causality is the beginning. From that point your path
of healing can be strategized. I believe prayer IS involved.
Medication is important. Psychotherapy is needed.
Nutritional discipline is necessary. I'm not even ruling out
hypnosis. Most important is to remove the suffering person
from the stressor environment!
> I'm with Azz Pizz on becoming a better person. You should watch Stephen
> Fry's 'Secret Life of a Manic Depressive' (both parts can be found on
> YouTube).
Ok thanks.
>There's a female doctor in there who quit her medication. But
> in return she has to watch her food (for example she eats fish because
> it contains Omega 3), her sleeping pattern and she only works part time
> (half a day). All this to avoid becoming manic again. This seems to work
> well, but it doesn't mean her bipolar disorder is "cured" or
> "onoccured".
Ok, now we are in agreement here, except I'm saying that once
a person finally goes *years* without becoming manic or severely
depressed, then they will finally train their body to finding balance.
They might still be "artistic" or tempermental, but that's a far cry
from being locked away in an institution or dead.
So at what point do we stop calling them afflicted with bipolar?
I'd say when their life is as normal as anyone else, who
also undergoes the ups and downs of reality, yet is able to
recover after a day or two to manage one's affairs. No?
Life is what you make of it, in spite of injustice.
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Mark LLC
Erin
Well Mark, no offense, but I'm not going to trash years of research
and
observation in the medical literature, for Everyman's opinion. You
say
there is A reason, but show no evidence or reference to the spurious
infection -- infections of all kinds can make people crazy in many
ways-
that's vague.
Erin
Mark
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well Erin, we haven't gotten that far into the
conversation or examination of exactly what
I'm saying. Also you speak of *years* of medical
literature. And all for what? To get a great big, "We
DUNNO." It's all been a theroetical guess fueled
by various motivations.
Let's look at 1 particular infection. It is the largest
growing infectious disease in the WORLD! Larger
than AIDS. A worldwide pandemic! Worse than
Swine flu. Before I tell you which bacteria, let me
give you some symptoms:
Decreased frustration tolerance. (This is magnified by the increased
frustration caused by a chronic illness).
Decreased impulse control.
When mild, the combination of decreased frustration tolerance and
decreased impulse control leads to irritability. When more extreme,
this combination can result in explosive anger.
Hyposexuality and hypersexuality caused by LD, both of which cause
increased interpersonal frustration.
Dysfunction causing different forms of obsessive compulsive disorder,
which results in intrusive thoughts, images, and compulsions that
sometimes are of an aggressive nature.
Some dysfunction results in a decreased bonding capacity.
Increased startle reflex - particularly increased acoustic startle.
Hypervigilance and paranoia.
Delusions and hallucinations.
Some patients acquire impairment in their ability to regulate the
arousal level of an emotion. As a result, emotions such as anger may
be all or none, excessively intense, and not proportionate to the
current situation. This also leads to a decline in the ability to
integrate concurrent emotions that exist either within the patient or
in a relationship with another person. This symptom may in turn
intensify other psychiatric syndromes such as post-traumatic stress
disorder, dissociative disorders, borderline personality, and
narcissistic personality disorders.
Ok? This is a BACTERIA.
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Mark LLC
Erin
You're such a tease Mark. Let me guess--
"List of bacterial orders
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* 1 Class Ktedobacteria
* 2 Phylum Acidobacteria
o 2.1 Class Acidobacteria (class)
o 2.2 Class Solibacteres
* 3 Phylum Actinobacteria
o 3.1 Class Actinobacteria (class)
+ 3.1.1 Subclass Acidimicrobidae
+ 3.1.2 Subclass Actinobacteridae
+ 3.1.3 Subclass Coriobacteridae
+ 3.1.4 Subclass Rubrobacteridae
* 4 Phylum Aquificae
o 4.1 Class Aquificae (class)
* 5 Phylum Bacteroidetes
o 5.1 Class Bacteroidetes
o 5.2 Class Flavobacteria
o 5.3 Class Sphingobacteria
* 6 Phylum Chlamydiae
o 6.1 Class Chlamydiae (class)
* 7 Phylum Chlorobi
o 7.1 Class Chlorobia
* 8 Phylum Chloroflexi
o 8.1 Class Anaerolineae
o 8.2 Class Chloroflexi (class)
o 8.3 Class Thermomicrobia (class)
+ 8.3.1 Subclass Sphaerobacteridae
* 9 Phylum Chrysiogenetes
o 9.1 Class Chrysiogenetes (class)
* 10 Phylum Cyanobacteria
o 10.1 Class Gloeobacteria
* 11 Phylum Deferribacteres
o 11.1 Class Deferribacteres (class)
* 12 Phylum Deinococcus-Thermus
o 12.1 Class Deinococci
* 13 Phylum Dictyoglomi
o 13.1 Class Dictyoglomi (class)
* 14 Phylum Fibrobacteres
o 14.1 Class Fibrobacteres (class)
* 15 Phylum Firmicutes
o 15.1 Class Bacilli
o 15.2 Class Clostridia
o 15.3 Class Mollicutes
* 16 Phylum Fusobacteria
o 16.1 Class Fusobacteria (class)
* 17 Phylum Gemmatimonadetes
o 17.1 Class Gemmatimonadetes (class)
* 18 Phylum Lentisphaerae
* 19 Phylum Nitrospirae
o 19.1 Class Nitrospira (class)
* 20 Phylum Planctomycetes
o 20.1 Class Planctomycetacia
* 21 Phylum Proteobacteria
o 21.1 Class Alphaproteobacteria
o 21.2 Class Betaproteobacteria
o 21.3 Class Gammaproteobacteria
o 21.4 Subphylum delta/epsilon subdivisions
+ 21.4.1 Class Deltaproteobacteria
+ 21.4.2 Class Epsilonproteobacteria
* 22 Phylum Spirochaetes
o 22.1 Class Spirochaetes (class)
* 23 Phylum Thermodesulfobacteria
o 23.1 Class Thermodesulfobacteria (class)
* 24 Phylum Thermotogae
o 24.1 Class Thermotogae (class)
* 25 Phylum Verrucomicrobia
o 25.1 Class Verrucomicrobiae
[edit] Class Ktedobacteria
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Ktedobacteria.
* Order Ktedobacterales
[edit] Phylum Acidobacteria
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Acidobacteria.
[edit] Class Acidobacteria (class)
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Acidobacteria (class).
* Order Acidobacteriales
[edit] Class Solibacteres
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Solibacteres.
* Order Solibacterales
[edit] Phylum Actinobacteria
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Actinobacteria.
[edit] Class Actinobacteria (class)
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Actinobacteria (class).
[edit] Subclass Acidimicrobidae
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the subclass
Acidimicrobidae.
* Order Acidimicrobiales
[edit] Subclass Actinobacteridae
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the subclass
Actinobacteridae.
* Order Actinomycetales
* Order Bifidobacteriales
[edit] Subclass Coriobacteridae
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the subclass
Coriobacteridae.
* Order Coriobacteriales
[edit] Subclass Rubrobacteridae
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the subclass
Rubrobacteridae.
* Order environmental samples
* Order Rubrobacterales
[edit] Phylum Aquificae
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum Aquificae.
[edit] Class Aquificae (class)
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class Aquificae
(class).
* Order Aquificales
[edit] Phylum Bacteroidetes
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Bacteroidetes.
[edit] Class Bacteroidetes
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Bacteroidetes.
* Order Bacteroidales
[edit] Class Flavobacteria
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Flavobacteria.
* Order Flavobacteriales
[edit] Class Sphingobacteria
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Sphingobacteria.
* Order Sphingobacteriales
[edit] Phylum Chlamydiae
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Chlamydiae.
[edit] Class Chlamydiae (class)
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class Chlamydiae
(class).
* Order Chlamydiales
[edit] Phylum Chlorobi
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum Chlorobi.
[edit] Class Chlorobia
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class Chlorobia.
* Order Chlorobiales
[edit] Phylum Chloroflexi
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Chloroflexi.
[edit] Class Anaerolineae
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Anaerolineae.
* Order Anaerolinaeles
[edit] Class Chloroflexi (class)
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class Chloroflexi
(class).
* Order Chloroflexales
* Order Herpetosiphonales
[edit] Class Thermomicrobia (class)
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Thermomicrobia (class).
* Order Thermomicrobiales
[edit] Subclass Sphaerobacteridae
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the subclass
Sphaerobacteridae.
* Order Sphaerobacterales
[edit] Phylum Chrysiogenetes
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Chrysiogenetes.
[edit] Class Chrysiogenetes (class)
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Chrysiogenetes (class).
* Order Chrysiogenales
[edit] Phylum Cyanobacteria
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Cyanobacteria.
[edit] Class Gloeobacteria
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Gloeobacteria.
* Order Gloeobacterales
* Order Chroococcales
* Order Nostocales
* Order Oscillatoriales
* Order Pleurocapsales
* Order Prochlorales
* Order Stigonematales
[edit] Phylum Deferribacteres
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Deferribacteres.
[edit] Class Deferribacteres (class)
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Deferribacteres (class).
* Order Deferribacterales
[edit] Phylum Deinococcus-Thermus
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Deinococcus-Thermus.
[edit] Class Deinococci
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class Deinococci.
* Order Deinococcales
* Order Thermales
[edit] Phylum Dictyoglomi
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Dictyoglomi.
[edit] Class Dictyoglomi (class)
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class Dictyoglomi
(class).
* Order Dictyoglomales
[edit] Phylum Fibrobacteres
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Fibrobacteres.
[edit] Class Fibrobacteres (class)
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Fibrobacteres (class).
* Order Fibrobacterales
[edit] Phylum Firmicutes
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Firmicutes.
[edit] Class Bacilli
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class Bacilli.
* Order Bacillales
* Order Lactobacillales
[edit] Class Clostridia
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class Clostridia.
* Order Clostridiales
* Order Halanaerobiales
* Order Thermoanaerobacteriales
[edit] Class Mollicutes
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class Mollicutes.
* Order Acholeplasmatales
* Order Anaeroplasmatales
* Order Entomoplasmatales
* Order Mycoplasmatales
[edit] Phylum Fusobacteria
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Fusobacteria.
[edit] Class Fusobacteria (class)
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Fusobacteria (class).
* Order Fusobacterales
[edit] Phylum Gemmatimonadetes
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Gemmatimonadetes.
[edit] Class Gemmatimonadetes (class)
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Gemmatimonadetes (class).
* Order Gemmatimonadales
[edit] Phylum Lentisphaerae
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Lentisphaerae.
* Order Lentisphaerales
[edit] Phylum Nitrospirae
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Nitrospirae.
[edit] Class Nitrospira (class)
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class Nitrospira
(class).
* Order Nitrospirales
[edit] Phylum Planctomycetes
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Planctomycetes.
[edit] Class Planctomycetacia
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Planctomycetacia.
* Order Planctomycetales
[edit] Phylum Proteobacteria
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Proteobacteria.
[edit] Class Alphaproteobacteria
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Alphaproteobacteria.
* Order Caulobacterales
* Order Kopriimonadales
* Order Kordiimonadales
* Order Parvularculales
* Order Rhizobiales
* Order Rhodobacterales
* Order Rhodospirillales
* Order Rickettsiales
* Order Sphingomonadales
[edit] Class Betaproteobacteria
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Betaproteobacteria.
* Order Burkholderiales
* Order Hydrogenophilales
* Order Methylophilales
* Order Neisseriales
* Order Nitrosomonadales
* Order Procabacteriales
* Order Rhodocyclales
[edit] Class Gammaproteobacteria
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Gammaproteobacteria.
* Order Acidithiobacillales
* Order Aeromonadales
* Order Alteromonadales
* Order Cardiobacteriales
* Order Chromatiales
* Order Enterobacteriales
* Order Legionellales
* Order Methylococcales
* Order Oceanospirillales
* Order Pasteurellales
* Order Pseudomonadales
* Order Thiotrichales
* Order Vibrionales
* Order Xanthomonadales
[edit] Subphylum delta/epsilon subdivisions
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the subphylum delta/
epsilon subdivisions.
[edit] Class Deltaproteobacteria
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Deltaproteobacteria.
* Order Bdellovibrionales
* Order Desulfobacterales
* Order Desulfovibrionales
* Order Desulfurellales
* Order Desulfuromonadales
* Order Myxococcales
* Order Syntrophobacterales
[edit] Class Epsilonproteobacteria
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Epsilonproteobacteria.
* Order Campylobacterales
* Order Nautiliales
[edit] Phylum Spirochaetes
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Spirochaetes.
[edit] Class Spirochaetes (class)
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Spirochaetes (class).
* Order Spirochaetales
[edit] Phylum Thermodesulfobacteria
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Thermodesulfobacteria.
[edit] Class Thermodesulfobacteria (class)
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Thermodesulfobacteria (class).
* Order Thermodesulfobacteriales
[edit] Phylum Thermotogae
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Thermotogae.
[edit] Class Thermotogae (class)
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class Thermotogae
(class)."
(from Wikipedia article on Bacteria)
* Order Thermotogales
[edit] Phylum Verrucomicrobia
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the phylum
Verrucomicrobia.
[edit] Class Verrucomicrobiae
This section lists the orders of Bacteria within the class
Verrucomicrobiae.
* Order Verrucomicrobiales
* Order Puniceicoccales
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I give up.
Erin
Mark
Ran out of notebook paper?
> Erin
Yes. A spirochete. Rapidly spreading across
the world, causing people to act bipolar.
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>
> Yes. A spirochete. Rapidly spreading across
> the world, causing people to act bipolar.
>
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Borrelia Burgdorferi.
And, it knows how to hide from serum tests.
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Erin
Yeah, i've heard of that -- infact Kraepelin had colleagues who
considered
bacteria as causes, among many other possibilities, e.g. thyroid,
brain
damage, but mostly heredity. I wouldn't mind seeing a site on this if
you know
of a good one.
Erin
samvaknin
http://samvak.tripod.com/journal71.html
Misdiagnosing Personality Disorders as Bipolar I Disorder
http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders61.html
Narcissism, Narcissistic Pathologies, the Narcissistic Personality
Disorder And Other Mental Health Disorders (Co-Morbidity and Dual
Diagnosis)
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq82.html
Other Personality Disorders
mmmousemaid
No, bp is very physical - a brain scan shows the changes.
Personality disorders are not so dramatic and abrupt.
Erin
Mark
> No, bp is very physical - a brain scan shows the changes.
> Personality disorders are not so dramatic and abrupt.
>
> Erin-
Ah, but which came first, the chicken or the
egg?
Did the variations in brain activity and detriment
cause the personality abnormality, or did the
illness cause the irregular brain scan?
Hm, I wonder?
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mmmousemaid
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:47:44 -0700 (PDT), mmmousemaid wrote:
> > No, bp is very physical - a brain scan shows the changes.
>
> from a reliable source? I don't think so...
Either you know all this stuff and you're bating, or you are a very
lazy
researcher. Why don't you think so?
http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/40/1/28
http://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/news/20041130/new-brain-scan-may-diagnose-bipolar-disorder
http://www.loni.ucla.edu/~thompson/MarcoChpt/MarcoChpt_full.html
mmmousemaid
Mark
> Anything _recent_ would probably convince me more...
Last week I tried to get a cat scan, but
he scratched me.
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> DSM IV is the fabrication upon which
> psychiatry seeks acceptance by medicine
> in general. Insiders know it is more
> a political than scientific document.
> To its credit it says so
>
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