SUPERIOR MINDS???????
Zambini
SENSITIVE AND "VERY" INTELLIGENT......WHEN I EXPLAINED MY MANIC TO SOME
FRIENDS.....THEY SAID IT SOUNDED AS IF I HAD A STROKE OF GENIUS.....AND THAT
MAYBE I "WAS" A GENIUS. ....GEE THAT WOULD BE NICE..... (i sure did "feel"
like i was, i thought i could save the world from unhappiness because i figured
out the secrets, and i knew how everything worked). SOMEONE TOLD ME THAT I HAD
A GIFT.......AN INSIGHT....A COOL, DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THINGS.......
SOMEONE EVEN THOUGHT I COULD BE PSYCHIC.....HA HA HA......
SOMEONE ALSO SAID THAT ONE DAY THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO FIND OUT THAT PEOPLE
WHO'S MINDS "DON'T WORK RIGHT" REALLY ARE SUPERIOR TO THE AVERAGE.......
MAYBE THEY SAID THIS TO MAKE ME FEEL BETTER.....'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT
ELSE TO SAY......
DO WE "SEE" MORE, DO WE FEEL MORE, DO WE THINK MORE... OR ARE WE JUST SCREWED
UP?
DURING MY MANIC I SURE AS HELL BELIEVED EVERYTHING....I REALLY THOUGHT I SAW IT
ALL......
ACCORDING TO MY DOC, THOUGH.....SHE SAID I WAS PROBABLY NOT REALLY SEEING
ANYTHING......IT WASN'T REAL......
NOW THAT I'M OVER THE DELUSIONAL MANIC....I STILL LIKE THE THINGS I THOUGHT (at
least what i can remember) AND IT'S HELPED ME (READING, IDEAS FOR ARTWORK,
MUSIC..ETC....)
I FEEL LIKE I DO HAVE NEW PERSPECTIVE......
BUT HALF OF MY MANIC WAS PARANOID DELUSIONS........AND THOSE ARE THINGS I KNOW
"NOW" ARE NOT POSSIBLE.....SO IF THOSE WERE REDICULOUS,,,,,MAYBE MY GOOD
EXPERIENCES WERE EQUALLY AS STUPID...?????? I'VE BEEN SO CONFUSED AS TO WHAT
TO BELEIVE...IT WAS SO REAL !!!!!!!!
LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.....
THANKS
P.S. LET ME KNOW IF YOU'RE AN ARTIST, MUSICIAN, POET, SCIENTIST......ETC.....
NicoleR72
Ralph
zam...@aol.com says...
>
>
> P.S. LET ME KNOW IF YOU'RE AN ARTIST, MUSICIAN, POET, SCIENTIST......ETC.....
>
I have been told that most people with BP are highly intelligent.
My IQ is somewhere between 135 and 155, depending on which test you
believe. I have written poetry, some of which has been published in a
literary magazine. I have played the organ since I was 8 years old.
I once won a prize for a pen and ink drawing of a clipper ship.
I don't do any of this on a consistant basis, except play the organ.
If I didn't have my music, I would go crazy. I play the music that I like
to play, mostly 60's and 70's ballads. I could have gone the classical
route, but I didn't have the stick-to-it (I'm also ADHD).
I have studied Accupressure/massage and alternative medicine on my own.
Does that make me a scientist or a kook? <grin>
Ralph
Astronut49
they happen all my life, had out of body experiences that one shrink told me
was real, and verification of my discriptions to what I saw proved these out of
body experienced did really take place. Seeing and knowing thiings has always
been with me. Doc says probably not real...which annoys me because, he will
not let me complete a sentense to explain how I know it is rule..just dismisses
it as abnormal delusions...not so.
BiPolars do have flashes of Genius, extreme sensitivity leading to an ability
to know things, because of our keen awareness of everything going on around
them.... it's survival, not delusional. I have a patent for a horse care
product I invented, did it all myself, research, writeup, art work, everything.
Also write poetry which my writing teacher graded with A's and Psych agrees
they are good. Not manic.....no inspiration to create! Even now, after 3
years of medication, I can still look at a person or hear their voice and know
so much about them. It isn't psychic, tho often mistaken as such, it is simply
a necessity for BiPolars to be keenly aware of their enviornment at all times.
With regards to religion, I am non-denominational, have strong faith and
believe that all are one with God, don't believe that sin exists anywhere but
in the mind of the person making that judgment, as only God really
knows...there is a time and a season for everything. For every action there is
an equal and opposite reaction..Ying and Yang, etc. This isn't crazy...it is
truth from the ages.
Sometimes,I still wonder who the crazy ones really are? BiPolars may have mood
swings, but in my opinion they are very bright. Brighter than soooo many, and I
am convinced that this drives some people right up a wall! Although our
judgment may be poor at times, not much slides by a BiPolar person!
Ralph
astro...@aol.com says...
> Sometimes,I still wonder who the crazy ones really are? BiPolars may have mood
> swings, but in my opinion they are very bright. Brighter than soooo many, and I
> am convinced that this drives some people right up a wall! Although our
> judgment may be poor at times, not much slides by a BiPolar person!
>
I have had out of body experiences which I attribute to my study and
practice of meditation. I, too, have a gift of "discernment". One Doc
that did a pschological testing on me said:"There is no such thing as an
Empath, but if there was, you are one."
As I have said in previous posts, I am a student of martial arts
and of chinese philosophy and folk healing. I am very good at knowing how
people feel, physically and mentally, and sencing the sources of physical
pain and injuries, often old and long healed injuries.
Now, here is where I really start to sound crazy, but I can heal
with a simple touch, using my chi (inner forces). The only thing is that
"normies" are the ones who tell me how good I am at making them feel
better and stopping their pain. These aren't people sharing my fantasies
or on some BP nut ride. These are sceptical "normies" whose original
intention was to prove that I was nuts; but end up with their mouths wide
open gasping "How did you do that? I feel great!! The Doctors told me I
had to just live with the pain, but you made it go away."
Actually, I got into all of this trying to get my pain to go away.
My pain is still here, but I'm damned good at making other people's pain
go away. My first step was through the martial arts... being honest about
it, being BP, I got a BIG mouth that I don't know when to shut. After I
got the stuffings beat out of me enough times, I figured it was time to
learn how to back up my big mouth. Funny though, once I got my blackbelt,
nobody messed with me after that. I guess its a demenor thing... either
that, or they are afraid to find out just how "crazy" I might really be
<grin>.
My father was an unDXed BP. When I was about 17, just before he
passed away, he told me that I had inherited from him a "gift" that ran
in my family. He said I would have ESP, be able to tell a person's
charator by just shaking his hand, that I would just "know" when a person
was lieing to me. He said that I would either be loved or hated by the
people who knew me. There would be nothing in the middle. People would
either instantly love me or instantly hate me. He also said that people
who didn't understand me would be afraid of me, just because I was who I
was, no matter what I did or said. He was 100% correct, although it took
me 30 years to understand what he meant.
I don't think the healing thing I do is a euphoric. I can do it
when I'm down in the dumps, madder than hell, or when I'm feeling like a
million bucks. Maybe I do have a gift, maybe I did learn something from
my meditations... its like so much else in my life... it is what is. How
I feel any given moment is how I feel, analysing it will only drive me
deeper into the rollercoaster ride. What I can do, is what I can do.
Worrying about what I can't do, only makes it worse and makes it longer
before I can do. Today is today. I deal with it as it comes, and I leave
it as it goes.
So, having said that, why the hell am I analysing so much and
talking my head off? As near as I can figure, I need to be understood,
as that is probably as close as I will come to having a friend. Now I am
making myself feel bad. Time to stop. Ralph
Noe Ruiz
see what you get, that's all. Sight's pretty delusional. It's a system
of economics. The best of me, the best of me I wholeheartedly believe
in, it's the part of me that goes around free of any limitations,
joining with any person I see, open to and valuing lives and ruthless,
channeled in truth, in love. This oneness that I see in everything, is
this delusional ? Is it not worth it ?
oranjkaat
some pretty fantastic thoughts on manic adventures and the bp mind.
Being bipolar has its definate advantages.
>A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME THAT MOST BP'S TEND TO BE ARTISTIC, CREATIVE,
>SENSITIVE AND "VERY" INTELLIGENT......WHEN I EXPLAINED MY MANIC TO SOME
>FRIENDS.....THEY SAID IT SOUNDED AS IF I HAD A STROKE OF GENIUS.....AND THAT
>MAYBE I "WAS" A GENIUS. ....GEE THAT WOULD BE NICE..... (i sure did "feel"
>like i was, i thought i could save the world from unhappiness because i figured
>out the secrets, and i knew how everything worked).
what a compasionate thought, saving the world from unhappiness...are
you "the great Zambini" as in the great Houdini's cousin? What a feat
that would be.
>SOMEONE TOLD ME THAT I HAD
>A GIFT.......AN INSIGHT....A COOL, DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THINGS.......
>SOMEONE EVEN THOUGHT I COULD BE PSYCHIC.....HA HA HA......
it is amazing what a little insight into a person or situation that
seems plain as day to a manic observant person-- who's perception is
heightened --can see so easily-- and other are so blind to it. They
think we have an amazing talent...I have actually been at a guest of a
guest at a party and told the host "amazing things about him" and he
would ask, "oh my how do you know these things about me we are just
meeting for the first time, tell me more." It is so easy to just look
around and feel the person in their home and know everything about
them. A picture says a thousand words. Anyone could do it really.
..but then we are told we must take meds to mask this talent (my
'talent' was empathy) Unfortuanately, we do need our meds and some of
the magic disappears and we think we have lost ourselves.....if only
we could bottle those truly great moments, we could do an infomercial
and be rich. Everyone would want some. They would want to be like us
and feel the high, the power....but they wouldn't like the side
effects (depression, hurting those we love sometimes, the crash)
>SOMEONE ALSO SAID THAT ONE DAY THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO FIND OUT THAT PEOPLE
>WHO'S MINDS "DON'T WORK RIGHT" REALLY ARE SUPERIOR TO THE AVERAGE.......
>
>MAYBE THEY SAID THIS TO MAKE ME FEEL BETTER.....'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT
>ELSE TO SAY......
no they never know what to say, but when they say that, they say it
with truth and envy, not knowing the price we pay to have "the Gift"
>DO WE "SEE" MORE, DO WE FEEL MORE, DO WE THINK MORE... OR ARE WE JUST SCREWED
>UP?
got me hanging on that one. probably a little/ maybe less screwed up
than the rest of the population.
.
>ACCORDING TO MY DOC, THOUGH.....SHE SAID I WAS PROBABLY NOT REALLY SEEING
>ANYTHING......IT WASN'T REAL......
>
>NOW THAT I'M OVER THE DELUSIONAL MANIC....I STILL LIKE THE THINGS I THOUGHT (at
>least what i can remember) AND IT'S HELPED ME (READING, IDEAS FOR ARTWORK,
>MUSIC..ETC....)
>I FEEL LIKE I DO HAVE NEW PERSPECTIVE......
>BUT HALF OF MY MANIC WAS PARANOID DELUSIONS........AND THOSE ARE THINGS I KNOW
>"NOW" ARE NOT POSSIBLE.....SO IF THOSE WERE REDICULOUS,,,,,MAYBE MY GOOD
>EXPERIENCES WERE EQUALLY AS STUPID...?????? I'VE BEEN SO CONFUSED AS TO WHAT
>TO BELEIVE...IT WAS SO REAL !!!!!!!!
It was real, unless you thought you were Houdini, or the Pope. This
is the price we pay......the psychotic break.....ouch...recovery
bites. as you recover, you will be told to think many things, journal
your thoughts now, so you can refer back to them with a fresh
recollection and detailed thoughts, don't dwell on these events now,
save that for later....you need to get used to the fact that you have
a chronic illness and that you will most likely need to be on meds for
the rest of your life. Yes, it is confusing...it was so real....you
lived it...you felt it....bottle that feeling and when you get better,
you can cherish those feelings and make head or tails of them.
Prepare for the crash of your life........i hope you are a lucky one
and get to experience this without the crash....welcome to the world
of bipolar illness.................
>LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.....
>THANKS(ZAMBINI)
thats a little of what i think.....hope it helps some
oranjkaat
bwe...@my-dejanews.com
astro...@aol.com (Astronut49) wrote:
...
>
> BiPolars do have flashes of Genius, extreme sensitivity leading to an ability
> to know things, because of our keen awareness of everything going on around
"extreme sensitivity ... keen awareness of everything going on around them"
Does that explain why I'm so sensitive and uncomfortable around those who make
the slightest (but usually not so slight!) noises and motions???
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sound of that myself. And psychics do run in my family, have a bit of it, but
fortunately not too much--don't need to be any flakier than I already am, thank you
very much!
(Violet Asquith describes a conversation with Winston Churchill at the
dinner-table.)
"For a long time he remained sunk in abstraction. Then he appeared to become
suddenly aware of my existence. He turned on me a lowering gaze and asked me how
old I was. I replied that I was nineteen.
"'And I,"he said almost despairinglly, 'am thirty-two already.'
"On reflection," he added thoughtfully, 'Younger than anyone else who counts,
though.' Then, savagely, 'Curse ruthless time! Curse our mortality. How cruelly
short is the allotted span for all we must cram into it!' He burst into a diatribe
about the brevity of life and ended: 'We are all worms. But I do believe that I am
a glowworm.'"
Lynda
> LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK..... THANKS
>
>
> P.S. LET ME KNOW IF YOU'RE AN ARTIST, MUSICIAN, POET,
> SCIENTIST......ETC.....
I was a dancer. I now write poetry (or try to anyway).
I practice medicine.
Peace,
--
Lynda (Lyn...@bigfoot.com)
Reach beyond your grasp!
LaVonne Gieche
>and of chinese philosophy and folk healing. I am very good at knowing
>how people feel, physically and mentally, and sencing the sources of
>physical pain and injuries, often old and long healed injuries.
Ralph,
Can you do this with distance, too? I know (believe) some people
can. Your post is wonderful to read.. it is exactly where I wish I
could be right now. I sometimes wonder if I can sense how people feel
too, but sometimes I feel like I am guessing or like it is so apart of
of me that it isn't something I am always aware of. Psychic abilities
has always been a great interest of mine. I don't practice enough at
it, unfortunately. My grandmother got to be really good at a few ESP
areas, but after being unable to see her reflection in the mirror, I
think she held up on the seances (sp), heh. I'm 22 now. I study Tai
Chi (only when time and interest permits, unfortunately.. instead of my
self-disipline) and want to learn the long yang form (not that it
matters as much as knowing how to use the chi force). I also want to
become a zen buddhist with a very good taoist and wiccan background as
well. Sooner or later I will get there, but as "they" say.. it is the
journey that matters most, not the end.
Heather Rae (Fawnhawk)
LaVonne Gieche
:P Unless others would like to tell me otherwise. heh.
Heather Rae (Fawnhawk)
auro...@my-dejanews.com
zam...@aol.com (Zambini) wrote:
> A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME THAT MOST BP'S TEND TO BE ARTISTIC, CREATIVE,
> SENSITIVE AND "VERY" INTELLIGENT......WHEN I EXPLAINED MY MANIC TO SOME
> FRIENDS.....THEY SAID IT SOUNDED AS IF I HAD A STROKE OF GENIUS.....AND THAT
> MAYBE I "WAS" A GENIUS. ....GEE THAT WOULD BE NICE..... (i sure did "feel"
> like i was, i thought i could save the world from unhappiness because i
figured
> A GIFT.......AN INSIGHT....A COOL, DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THINGS.......
> SOMEONE EVEN THOUGHT I COULD BE PSYCHIC.....HA HA HA......
[snip]
I used to believe that the hypomanic state I got into everytime I stopped
drinking was the natural state for a genius (my IQ tested at 155+) and that I
had a gift others didn't have, a special understanding. Couldn't understand
why others weren't enjoying life like I was, wished I could give them the
secret but couldn't find the words to describe it. Felt like I had a special
connection to the life force that others could tap into but didn't know how or
maybe only I could because I was a genius. I couldn't believe it when a
sponsor in AA tried to dx me manic-depressive because I was acting manic. I
decided that AA was not for geniuses only the others who are not already
connected to God naturally.
I am a visual artist of sorts, everything from pastel paintings, fashion
design, jewelry making, silk painting, ceramics, creative furniture/house
painting and decorating, gardening/landscape design. Lately I am more into
the garden and household stuff as it is a new and exciting arena for me and I
can't seem to get anywhere with the other more 'art' stuff since going on
meds but have a million ideas for house and garden stuff. Maybe I will do
goache paintings of what it will look like in different color schemes and
that will slide me back into more artistic painting.
Maybe Nuerontin and less Li (or no Li :) will help me get my artistic
abilities back but right now it is most fun to do this other stuff anyway. *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * Aurora * * * * * * * * * *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * email:
auro...@my-dejanews.com * * * *
Ralph
says...
> Ralph,
>
> Can you do this with distance, too? I know (believe) some people
> can. Your post is wonderful to read.. it is exactly where I wish I
> could be right now. I sometimes wonder if I can sense how people feel
> too, but sometimes I feel like I am guessing or like it is so apart of
> of me that it isn't something I am always aware of. Psychic abilities
> has always been a great interest of mine. I don't practice enough at
> it, unfortunately. My grandmother got to be really good at a few ESP
> areas, but after being unable to see her reflection in the mirror, I
> think she held up on the seances (sp), heh. I'm 22 now. I study Tai
> Chi (only when time and interest permits, unfortunately.. instead of my
> self-disipline) and want to learn the long yang form (not that it
> matters as much as knowing how to use the chi force). I also want to
> become a zen buddhist with a very good taoist and wiccan background as
> well. Sooner or later I will get there, but as "they" say.. it is the
> journey that matters most, not the end.
>
> Heather Rae (Fawnhawk)
It is not the end, it is not the journey, it is the being.
First lession: Do not look at the parts. Embrace the whole. Be!
Ralph
sheilalynn
etc. I BELIEVE EVERY WORD OF IT...BUT LISTEN TO THIS...
You are in bondage!! The power you have is real all right, but it is
NOT from God! You don't know it but you need to be set free!!
Satan deceives by offering power, etc, but the peace and joy in Jesus
Christ is sooo much better!! God is stronger!!
Maybe you wont be healed of bipolar, but you will be free.
Jesus died so you could live.
I know this is true because I have been involved in teh occult, had
spirit guides, power, etc. AND I WAS SET FREE!!
John 8:36 when the Son sets you free you are free indeed
you need God, if you accept JC as your personal savior he can free you
from all that, but its your choice, Jesus is the only one that can get
you out of satan's grip!!! I have so much hope, because I had accepted
Jesus, I will go to heaven when I die , and in heavan there will be
nomore pain!! NO MORE MANIC DEPRESSION!!
let me know what you think, I would like to talk about this, i can
relate totally to what youre saying
email me! sheila...@yahoo.com
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>SENSITIVE AND "VERY" INTELLIGENT.....
intellegent (made A's & B's through school without trying)
>SOMEONE TOLD ME THAT I HAD
>A GIFT.......AN INSIGHT....A COOL, DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THINGS.......
I've also been told I am very insightful - can see right through people - can
spot a phoney or a facade right away - still baffle hubby on this one after 20
years - he asks me how I know - I can't figure out why he can't see what is
blatently obvious to me - maybe this explains it.
>DO WE "SEE" MORE, DO WE FEEL MORE, DO WE THINK MORE... OR ARE WE JUST SCREWED
>UP?
Personally, I think we DO "see" more of things not obvious, for example, after
meeting someone new, I can tell what kind of person they are inside, but will
forget as soon as I walk away what they look like, or are wearing. And yes, I
do "feel" more - was always told I was hypersensitive. Personally, I don't
think WE'RE screwed up, it's just that the rest of the world doesn't know how
to deal with us.
>P.S. LET ME KNOW IF YOU'RE AN ARTIST, MUSICIAN, POET,
>SCIENTIST......ETC.....
Professionally, I'm a seamstress/designer/dressmaker. Love it 'cause there are
no rules or absolutes - never follow instructions anyway.
I also write poetry, do all sorts of crafts, and try all kinds of painting
techniques in my house.
We BP's MUST stick together - we're the only ones who can deal with US!
Ralph
sheila...@yahoo.com says...
> let me know what you think, I would like to talk about this, i can
> relate totally to what youre saying
>
> email me! sheila...@yahoo.com
My dear Sister,
Thank you for your concern. I have a testimony of Jesus Christ
and am an ordained lay priest in the church that I belong to. Heavenly
Father has given us knowledge that we might grow. I have certain gifts.
As it says in the scriptures "Every good and perfect gift comes from
God." When I get to the other side, Jesus has promised me a hug. And like
the woman who touched the hem of His garment, at that time I will be
healed. Ralph
Lynda
Hi Sheilalynn,
Pretty name BTW,
> Hey I read your message about the healings, meditation, psychic powers,
> etc. I BELIEVE EVERY WORD OF IT...BUT LISTEN TO THIS... You are in
> bondage!! The power you have is real all right, but it is NOT from God!
How do you know that?
>You don't know it but you need to be set free!! Satan deceives by
>offering power, etc, but the peace and joy in Jesus Christ is sooo much
>better!!
Satan does NOT exist. Evil is created by man.
>God is stronger!!
GOD is an energy force in the universe of which we are all a part.
> Maybe you wont be healed of bipolar, but you will be free. Jesus died so
> you could live.
Jesus was a man...albeit a good man as was Buddha, Ghandi etc...
> I know this is true because I have been involved in teh occult, had spirit
> guides, power, etc. AND I WAS SET FREE!!
Set free from what?
> John 8:36 when the Son sets you free you are free indeed
>
> you need God, if you accept JC as your personal savior he can free you
> from all that, but its your choice, Jesus is the only one that can get you
> out of satan's grip!!!
Excuse me but that is erroneous!
>I have so much hope, because I had accepted Jesus, I will go to heaven
>when I die , and in heavan there will be nomore pain!! NO MORE MANIC
>DEPRESSION!!
Again, life after death is a state of being.
> let me know what you think, I would like to talk about this, i can relate
> totally to what youre saying
Peace,
Debbie Domian
few minutes. Gave me something to giggle at. Is your organ midi'd to your puter?
Anyhow - I guess i'm fairly bright - am also a musician, keyboards especially, a
little guitar and flute thrown in for good measure. i used to sing more, but have
been smoking since 1965...oh well.
Debbie
Ralph wrote:
> In article <19990311102619...@ng-ca1.aol.com>,
> zam...@aol.com says...
> >
> >
> > P.S. LET ME KNOW IF YOU'RE AN ARTIST, MUSICIAN, POET, SCIENTIST......ETC.....
> >
>
Debbie Domian
of a premonition thing. if they need me, or i need them, the phone rings -- even if it
means doing some serious detective work to find each other Debbie
Kate wrote:
> I read somewhere that BP-2's have "flamboyant" personalities. I rather liked the
> sound of that myself. And psychics do run in my family, have a bit of it, but
> fortunately not too much--don't need to be any flakier than I already am, thank you
> very much!
>
Small Phoenix
>A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME THAT MOST BP'S TEND TO BE ARTISTIC, CREATIVE,
>SENSITIVE AND "VERY" INTELLIGENT......
I've heard that too, I don't know if it's true. It does (blush)
describe me pretty well.
>WHEN I EXPLAINED MY MANIC TO SOME
>FRIENDS.....THEY SAID IT SOUNDED AS IF I HAD A STROKE OF GENIUS.....AND THAT
>MAYBE I "WAS" A GENIUS. ....GEE THAT WOULD BE NICE..... (i sure did "feel"
>like i was, i thought i could save the world from unhappiness because i figured
>out the secrets, and i knew how everything worked).
I had that one too.
>SOMEONE TOLD ME THAT I HAD
>A GIFT.......AN INSIGHT....A COOL, DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THINGS.......
>SOMEONE EVEN THOUGHT I COULD BE PSYCHIC.....HA HA HA......
I just can't understand why some new-agey types deliberately induce
hallucinations etc. It's not fun!!!
>
>SOMEONE ALSO SAID THAT ONE DAY THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO FIND OUT THAT PEOPLE
>WHO'S MINDS "DON'T WORK RIGHT" REALLY ARE SUPERIOR TO THE AVERAGE.......
What I think is that the gene for bipolar is linked to some other
genes for creativity and intelligence; they're not the same thing but
they tend to go together.
>
>MAYBE THEY SAID THIS TO MAKE ME FEEL BETTER.....'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT
>ELSE TO SAY......
If so, you've still got good friends.
>
>DO WE "SEE" MORE, DO WE FEEL MORE, DO WE THINK MORE... OR ARE WE JUST SCREWED
>UP?
When I'm up, I think we do see more.When I'm OK I think we're just
screwed up.
>
>
>P.S. LET ME KNOW IF YOU'RE AN ARTIST, MUSICIAN, POET, SCIENTIST......ETC.....
I am a scientist who (children permitting) draws, paints, writes and
gardens in her spare time.
jackie
email at tjd....@dial.pipex.com
Web page at http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/close/xhq10/mem.htm
I've been Jay H, Canarybird, Empty Cage, Serin, Phoenix, even Crow.
Let's see if I can stick with this one for a while.
Jim
tjd....@dial.pipex.com (Small Phoenix ) wrote:
> On 11 Mar 1999 15:26:19 GMT, zam...@aol.com (Zambini) wrote:
>
> >A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME THAT MOST BP'S TEND TO BE ARTISTIC, CREATIVE,
> >SENSITIVE AND "VERY" INTELLIGENT......
> I've heard that too, I don't know if it's true. It does (blush)
> describe me pretty well.
Maybe those who are "artistic, creative, sensitive, and very intelligent"
are more likely to seek help and be diagnosed with such a condition.
Why you even raise the issue I do not see.
--
-- Jim
Renee L Marino
>>Unfortuanately, we do need our meds and some of
the magic disappears and we think we have lost ourselves.....<<
boy! can I relate.
I am another one of those hyper-empathic/intuitive/whatevers...I was
reckless with my insight at first, though and alienated people....what a
life of learning this 'disorder' brings with it! I believe we are gifted,
in the literal sense as well.
Nice to meet you!
Renée
Renee L Marino
think WE'RE screwed up, it's just that the rest of the world doesn't know
how
to deal with us.<<
Can I get a witness?! AMEN.
Hi Almadress!
I have always believed this. I believe we are the wave of the future and
until the rest of our culture catches up we will continue to seem out of
phase.
Renee L Marino
If you haven't read Touched With Fire: Manic Depressive Illness and the
Artistic Temperament, DO...great book, addresses the things you've mentioned
here. I also test as IQ 140 - 155 depending on which test, I am very
artistic and have studied a very broad range of subjects and they all seem
to come together under the umbrella of consciousness studies. I am a visual
artist, published poet, singer/songwriter, computer natural, online tarot
reader (transpersonal angle), dreamwork newsgroup leader (msn newage forum),
etc., etc. I tend to believe that in addition to our multifaceted
creativity, we BPs are synthesizers...we find connections where most others
might not as readily, synthesizing new models from integrating many
disciplines. I also believe we are more perceptive and are often seen as
'psychic' and/or empathic...let's face it, we're just cool as heck! LOL!!
Renee L Marino
Renee L Marino
Great post...what a blessing to have had a father with a positive
understanding or our 'gift' (did you know that the German word 'gift' means
toxin or poison...what a wacky double whammy there, eh? LOL!)
My particular inclination is that we BPs are just an evolutionary phase in
human development and that the rest of human culture will move in that
direction as well...heightened intelligence, creativity, perception, etc.,
are the stuff of the future and the future is with us (Now is a very BIG
place, LOL)
Nice to meet you! =)
Renée
ln...@webtv.net
but i must disagree. evolution involves natural selection of the fittest
of the species. modern medicine has changed all that to varying degrees,
now humans are surviving and thriving and reproducing under oftentimes
very artificial man-made means. the mind and spirit are one thing, but
being able to survive and thrive in the modern world without the aid of
complex technology is another. mr. darwin would turn over in his grave.
best, lny
Ralph
RENM...@prodigy.net says...
> Ralph!
>
> <snipped>
> Nice to meet you! =)
>
> Renée
Nice to meet you, as well. :-)
Hope you are having a Great Day!!
Ralph
>
>
>
Renee L Marino
I think you'll find that 'evolution' no longer strictly applies to
'darwinism' when talking about consciousness...I would suggest doing a
search on the evolution of consciousness and/or Richard Dawkins, biologist
and see what you come up with.
"Darwinism stresses conflict and competition; that doesn't square with the
evidence. A lot of organisms that survive are in no sense superior to those
that have gone extinct. It's not a question of being "better than"; it's
simply a matter of finding a place where you can be yourself. That's what
evolution is about. That's why you can see it as a dance. It's not going
anywhere, it's simply exploring a space of possibilities."
-- Brian Goodwin, Biologist, quoted in The Third Culture, by John Brockman
"If we and past aeons of scholars have not yet begun to understand the power
of self organization as a source of order, neither did Darwin. The order
that emerges in enormous, randomly assembled, interlinked networks of binary
variables is almost certainly merely the harbinger of similar emergent order
in whole varieties of complex systems. We may be finding new foundations for
the order that graces the living world. If so, what a change in our view of
life, and our place, must await us. Selection is not the whole source of
order after all. Order vast, order ordained, order for free. We may be at
home in the universe in ways we have hardly begun to comprehend."
-- Stuart Kauffman, At Home in The Universe.
I have some links that might prove interesting:
http://www.sheldrake.org/
http://www.santafe.edu/sfi/People/kauffman/index.html
for starters...
;-)
Renée
Ps - saying that "mr. darwin would turn over in his grave" isn't a very nice
way to have a discussion, in my opinion. Also, this isn't a philosophical
discussion board...it's a support group for bi-polars.
Renee L Marino
Lynda
> so glad to finally find someone not talking about porn. diagnosed as
> bipolar II 5 ys ago after spending 10 years as major depressive. just
> slid into major depressive episode and playing medication roulette.
> divorce,move, kids, big job stresses. too much. fingernail time. thanks
> for listening.
Hi,
Welcome to ASDM. We are glad you are here.
You have alot on your plate. We are here for support, acceptance,
caring, compassion, understanding and love.
Please email me anytime. You will be in my prayers.
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Peace,
Keith Hardwick
satanists.
Keith
On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:55:14 -0500, Lyn...@see.my.signature.com
(Lynda) wrote:
[:+)sheilalynn <sheila...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[:+)Hi Sheilalynn,
[:+)
[:+)Pretty name BTW,
[:+)> Hey I read your message about the healings, meditation, psychic powers,
[:+)> etc. I BELIEVE EVERY WORD OF IT...BUT LISTEN TO THIS... You are in
[:+)> bondage!! The power you have is real all right, but it is NOT from God!
[:+)
[:+)How do you know that?
[:+)>You don't know it but you need to be set free!! Satan deceives by
[:+)>offering power, etc, but the peace and joy in Jesus Christ is sooo much
[:+)>better!!
[:+)
[:+)Satan does NOT exist. Evil is created by man.
[:+)>God is stronger!!
[:+)
[:+)GOD is an energy force in the universe of which we are all a part.
[:+)> Maybe you wont be healed of bipolar, but you will be free. Jesus died so
[:+)> you could live.
[:+)
[:+)Jesus was a man...albeit a good man as was Buddha, Ghandi etc...
[:+)> I know this is true because I have been involved in teh occult, had spirit
[:+)> guides, power, etc. AND I WAS SET FREE!!
[:+)
[:+)Set free from what?
[:+)> John 8:36 when the Son sets you free you are free indeed
[:+)>
[:+)> you need God, if you accept JC as your personal savior he can free you
[:+)> from all that, but its your choice, Jesus is the only one that can get you
[:+)> out of satan's grip!!!
[:+)
[:+)Excuse me but that is erroneous!
[:+)>I have so much hope, because I had accepted Jesus, I will go to heaven
[:+)>when I die , and in heavan there will be nomore pain!! NO MORE MANIC
[:+)>DEPRESSION!!
[:+)Again, life after death is a state of being.
[:+)> let me know what you think, I would like to talk about this, i can relate
[:+)> totally to what youre saying
[:+)
[:+)Peace,
johnand Kay
Small Phoenix
What's so superior about being ill, anyway. Of the bipolars I met in
hospital, I wouldn't say any were particularly bright or obviously
creative.
Tigger
like one - not counting during a few manic episodes <g>. I am an artist
though - check out my website for a small sample of my work, write from
time to time, was a film major for a while,etc. So, I guess I would be
considered a creative person (I consider myself one).
Tigger - http://TITAN.SFASU.EDU/~z_woodarddg/
bouncy, trouncy, flouncy, pouncy, fun, fun, fun, fun, FUN!!!
Pooh!
having a superior mind. I've often thought if I'd been somewhat less
smart (like 20 points on the IQ less) life would be lots easier. Like I
lack a part of my emotional control and was given intelligence instead.
I think I wouldn't want to change around now, but I'm sure life would
have been easier.
GreetinX
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Me!
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DE DIGITALE STAD
Renee L Marino
of perfection, eh? Life would have been easier for me as well. A friend of
mine is fond of saying that intelligence is maladaptive. I agree with this
in the sense that having the intelligence to see that the world was not flat
and the earth not the center of the cosmos does not enable one to adapt to
society which believes the world is flat. Society is about conforming. But
without Galileos we'd still be in flatland. Life wasn't easy for him either
but I'm glad he lived.
Renée <who is glad you are alive>
ln...@webtv.net
college because of a million problems. i have no idea what all that
binary stuff means, i guess simply put the extremely premature infants
surviving today have found their place as evolution has created it for
them. sometimes the topics here diverge a little so we can use all those
brilliant bipolar insights we are supposed to have. about darwin, it was
meant to be a harmless comment on how he would view his theory in light
of modern medicine etc. do you just hate dumb old ladies or what?? i was
actually in a less suicidal state of mind until i read your post. fuck
life. the lny
Renee L Marino
Oh no! I didn't mean to sound mean! I apologize if I came across that way.
One of the limitations of communicating without the benefit of facial
expressions, and intonation. I think we've just misunderstood each other.
Let's start over?
Hi Iny. I'm Renée. I'm new to this ng and glad I found it. Nice to meet
you (really ;-))