[Fwd: CANNABIS and BIPOLAR DISORDER]
kraz4toyz
Samoyed22
to being genetically bent, as in BPs. the unfortunate thing with weed is that
there is no baseline, no one drink model you can come up with. people smoke
pot to get high, whereas one drink can be relaxing. i don't condone booze
either, in fact my experience was that once i started taking lithium, drinking
became a sort of russian roulette experience. one night two drinks felt great,
and the next i would be under the table.
drinking and drugging totally cloud any sense of clarity that we BPs can
otherwise muster. For me short moments of clarity are the biggest high around.
the rest of the time i'm fuzzy enough without any outside assistance.
Keith Hardwick
say that people who don't smoke pot are truly sick. Have your heard
such an outrageous claim from me? Your ignorance of the effects of pot
is painfully clear, whereas I and many other thoughtful people on this
group speak honestly from experience, without any attempt to present
only the good or bad aspects of pot use.
Speak for yourself, and not about subjects you are ignorant of.
Keith
On 5 Mar 1999 07:58:12 GMT, samo...@aol.com (Samoyed22) wrote:
[:+)anybody who thinks smoking weed is good for bipolars is truly sick, as opposed
[:+)to being genetically bent, as in BPs. the unfortunate thing with weed is that
[:+)there is no baseline, no one drink model you can come up with. people smoke
[:+)pot to get high, whereas one drink can be relaxing. i don't condone booze
[:+)either, in fact my experience was that once i started taking lithium, drinking
[:+)became a sort of russian roulette experience. one night two drinks felt great,
[:+)and the next i would be under the table.
[:+)drinking and drugging totally cloud any sense of clarity that we BPs can
[:+)otherwise muster. For me short moments of clarity are the biggest high around.
[:+) the rest of the time i'm fuzzy enough without any outside assistance.
MStrah8061
them with meds before I was properly diagnosed with BP in 95 and it WAS a
russian roulette -- I've never been more out of control, exposing myself to
dangerous experiences left and right and it only worsened my condition. It was
only in 95 that I was told I had to come clean for the treatment to be truly
effective and although I'm still not at 100%, I think cleaning up my act was
the right thing to do. I couldn't live without my cigarettes though -- tee hee
-- they are my salvation!!!!!!!!
Marie Michelle Strah
Department of Romance Studies
Cornell University
mc
can't resist asking this before the thread goes away.......
For any of you, does cannabis __intensify__ things to an unbearable
level so that it is basically __impossible__to smoke ?
I was a child of the early 70's and found that while all my peers were
relaxed and laughing and having a grand old time, I was nearly paralyzed
with the ever-expanding intensity of the beauty or horror of
whatever I was experiencing, i.e., music, nature, conversation, good
fiction, world news, etc.
The intensity would spiral outward and get larger and larger till I
thought I would explode. It was not a fun thing.
Having recently found that I seem to be a weird combination of BP II and
ADHD, I thought that could be a factor......
I finally had the sense to stop and found it to be a great relief. I've
never understood why nor have I found anyone who experiences it
similarly. It doesn't seem to fit the common definition of "paranoia."
( More than that.)
Any similar experiences before this thread goes away ?? Thanks--mc
vapor
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m>,
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MEcom (Keith Hardwick) wrote:
> Now if I practiced you logic in support of my beliefs, I would have to
> say that people who don't smoke pot are truly sick. Have your heard
> such an outrageous claim from me? Your ignorance of the effects of pot
> is painfully clear, whereas I and many other thoughtful people on this
> group speak honestly from experience, without any attempt to present
> only the good or bad aspects of pot use.
>
> Speak for yourself, and not about subjects you are ignorant of.
>
> Keith
**Agreed Keith...this is why cannabis has to
be decriminalized and regulated so that
there are ways of adminstering known
doses***
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vapor
104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
Abe...@webtv.net (mc) wrote:
> Greetings: I've been lurking for awhile ( I can't stand spam ) but
> can't resist asking this before the thread goes away.......
>
> For any of you, does cannabis __intensify__ things to an unbearable
> level so that it is basically __impossible__to smoke ?
>
> I was a child of the early 70's and found that while all my peers were
> relaxed and laughing and having a grand old time, I was nearly paralyzed
> with the ever-expanding intensity of the beauty or horror of
> whatever I was experiencing, i.e., music, nature, conversation, good
> fiction, world news, etc.
regular use, there can be side effects like
yours...any medication has to be taken
regularly in order to work properly...****
kraz4toyz
it:
as an escape
a high
a medication for mania
a medication for MS
a medication for weight gain
a medication for terminal illness
a relaxant
a sexual stimulant
a sleeping aid
medication for menstral cramps (which it used to be prescribed for)
inhibiter for activities.*MY VIEW* ( Children who are going to school, shouldn't
be smoking pot because they need to be concentrating in school subjects.. ect..)
There are all different people for all different reasons, who either take pot or
dont. I believe that it isn't black & white. I believe that children shouldn't
be smoking pot because they have responsibilities to uphold. I believe that
people who don't have responsibilities and are adults, live there own life. They
should be able to choose what they want to do with it, and I believe that if pot
were legalized, there would be less violence, less crime, and we'd all be able to
sleep better at night. Knowing that there is one less drug that 10 people aren't
getting killed over a night.
Besides, children get beer just as easy as pot, so what would be different with
legalizing it? Were probably going to put an age limit on the stuff anyway. I
think this would be much better, even though I don't usually smoke it. Kids
start out with pot being the first drug of choice. Let them know it isn't
illegal.
krazgirl
Keith Hardwick
medicine that will help is drinking alcohol (ethanol). Marijuana has
been considered medicine for thousands of years. In the early 60s LSD
showed great promise as a medication to aid psychotherapy and cure
alcoholism.
I think you have bought in a little too heavily to the definition of
medicine pushed by the big, powerful, drug companies.
http://www.graylab.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?medicine
A compound used to treat disease, injury or pain.
http://www.pantheon.org/mythica/articles/m/medicine.html
A very long time ago, man and animal lived together in peace and
harmony. Then suddenly this changed,
when some greedy people began to hunt only to sell the meat and fur.
This caused the animal population to
dwindle, greatly concerning the animals.
The white bear called a council of animals to decide on how to avenge
themselves. They argued for a long
time, but they could not agree. Then the oldest and wisest flies
offered a suggestion. "Let us call upon the
spirits" he said. "We will ask them to send great sickness on the
people, and we will carry the diseases".
Not long after that, a great sickness spread indeed through all the
Native American villages -- attacking the
good as well as the bad. Since the animals only wanted to punish the
bad people, they were saddened to
see the good ones were suffering as well. They called another council
to discuss what was to be done.
The lowly herbs came with a solution; they promised to heal the sick.
Then, spirit dreams were sent to the
Shamans to guide them to the herbs. This is how healing medicine was
brought to the Native Americans.
http://www.allwords.com/query.asp
any substance used to treat or prevent disease or
illness, especially one taken internally.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
Main Entry: med·i·cine
Pronunciation: 'me-d&-s&n, British usually 'med-s&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Latin medicina, from
feminine of medicinus of a physician, from medicus
Date: 13th century
1 a : a substance or preparation used in treating disease b :
something that affects well-being
3 : a substance (as a drug or potion) used to treat something other
than disease
Keith
On Sat, 6 Mar 1999 03:44:21 -0000, "Morgan" <mor...@thepentagon.com>
wrote:
[:+)Mmmm. I'm not sure it's quite that simple. I used cannabis regularly for 18
[:+)years. It wasn't until I gave it up that the meds really started working
[:+)properly. Calling cannabis a medication is stretching the term a bit.
[:+)Alcohol can sometimes make you feel better, but that doesn't make it a
[:+)medication or necessarily sensible for a bipolar person to take.
[:+)
[:+)I don't agree with the criminalisation of dope smokers, but cannabis is an
[:+)extremely powerful psychoactive drug. While it may be generally safe for
[:+)most people, and it may be a godsend for people with MS, cannabis can affect
[:+)the effectiveness of a bipolar med cocktail. I've had a number of pdocs who
[:+)were quite cool about dope smoking generally, but who were adamant that its
[:+)use by bipolar people could be dangerous. It proved so in my own experience.
[:+)
[:+)vapor wrote in message <7bpcn6$8df$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
[:+)>***This is because without maintaining
[:+)>regular use, there can be side effects like
[:+)>yours...any medication has to be taken
[:+)>regularly in order to work properly...****
[:+)>
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[:+)
Morgan
cannabis would be sensible and safe medication for BP, you might need to
adjust your own dosage. I have also consumed both in large quantities, but
I've learned from experience. It's one thing saying "they work for me". It's
another to advocate their use by bipolars, ignore the advice of 90%+ of
pdocs, and accuse anyone with a different opinion of being drug company
lackeys. Get real.
For an alternative view, see:
Mental Disturbances with Positive Psychiatric History-Toxic Psychosis
http://www.wellnessmd.com/marij.htm
Evidence suggests that marijuana is a greater risk to patients who have
suffered psychotic illness and to those who have had major affective
illnesses prior to use. In addition, depressed individuals who are heavy
marijuana users may be less responsive to conventional drug treatment of
their depression. Marijuana use in these individuals particularly should be
avoided. It should be kept in mind that even though a toxic psychosis due to
marijuana abuse has a relatively good prognosis, the psychosis mobilized or
aggravated by cannabis in schizophrenic patients does not (Weil 1970, Kemp
1970).
Ablon and Goodwin administered oral THC doses of 5 mg/d to 20 mg bid to
under double blind conditions to 8 unipolar and 5 bipolar patients.
Dysphoric reactions were noted in 75% of the unipolar patients but in only
20% of the bipolar patients (p<0.10). This compared to a 33% dysphoria rate
in normal volunteers. The authors hypothesized that the THC acted as a "mood
intensifier" and best ought to be avoided in patients with unipolar
affective illness (Ablon and Goodwin 1974)
Knudsen and Vilmar collected ten schizophrenic patients with a history of
cannabis abuse. All of the patients had been receiving depot antipsychotics
for at least 6 months prior to this particular exacerbation of their
illness. The cannabis produced an initial beneficial effect for the patients
in that the anergia, anhedonia, and low imaginative capacity caused by the
antipsychotic was reversed. However, later a recurrence of the unpleasant
positive schizophrenic symptoms led to the patients being rehospitalized
(Knudsen and Vilmar 1984).
MARIJUANA UPDATE 1996 by Janet D. Lapey, M.D.
Marijuana causes many mental disorders, including acute toxic psychosis,
panic attacks, flashbacks, delusions, depersonalization, hallucinations,
paranoia, depression, and "uncontrollable feelings of aggression." (1)
Marijuana has long been known to trigger attacks of mental illness, such as
bipolar (manic-depressive) psychosis and schizophrenia. It has been shown
that marijuana users are six times more likely to develop schizophrenia than
are non-users. (3)
Marijuana use is associated with the development of Amotivational Syndrome.
(4)
"Often the relationship of impairments and symptoms to marijuana use becomes
evident only when the user is persuaded to stop, shows clear-cut improvement
in mood and behavior, and describes a feeling of coming out of a fog." (5)
Marijuana impairs perception, judgment, thinking, memory, and learning.
Memory defects may persist six weeks after last use. (6)
Mental disorders caused by marijuana (cannabis) listed in the Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) IV, published by the American
Psychiatric Association May 1994 include: Cannabis Dependence; Cannabis
Abuse; Cannabis Intoxication (impaired motor coordination, anxiety, impaired
judgment, sensation of slowed time, social withdrawal), often includes
perceptual disturbances; Cannabis Intoxication Delerium (memory deficit,
disorientation); Cannabis Induced Psychotic Disorder, Delusions; Cannabis
Induced Psychotic Disorder, Hallucinations; Cannabis Induced Anxiety
Disorder; other Cannabis-Related Disorders.
Marijuana causes both dependence and addiction. "Marijuana is an addictive
drug...Addictive use is defined by compulsive, repeated use in spite of
adverse consequences. Marijuanas effects include tolerance, leading to
dependence, and then inability to cease use." (7)
In many parts of the country, there are more people admitted to drug
treatment centers because of marijuana addiction than heroin addiction. (8)
A withdrawal syndrome occurs, consisting of "anxiety, depression, sleep and
appetite disturbances, irritability, tremors, diaphoresis, nausea, muscle
convulsions, and restlessness." (9)
1. Schwartz RH. Pediatric Clinics of North America 34:305-317, 1987.
3. Andreasson S et al. Lancet 2:1483-1485, 1987.
4. Schwartz RH, op.cit.
5. Jaffe JH. Drug Dependence. In Kaplan HI, Saddock BJ eds, Comprehensive
Textbook of Psychiatry, Baltimore: Williams & Wilkins, 1989.
6. Schwartz RH et al. Am J Dis Child 143:1214-1219, 1989.
7. Gold MS. Marijuana, NY:Plenum Medical Book Co., p. 227, 1989.
8. Office of National Drug Control Policy. Pulse Check, December 1994.
9. Gold MS. op. cit. p. 103.
Keith Hardwick
message so many things that I simply did not say. Your "alternative"
view is the straight party line of the anti drug nazis, and therefore
is completely suspect. Researchers who are paid by the anti drug
coalition know what kind of reports they had better produce if they
want to keep their job/get new grants. Is this your idea of sound
research, the narrow minded views of bigots with no interest in the
truth?
Sound research requires a critical evaluation of many different points
of view, with special weight given to researchers who are not bought
and paid for by interested parties, and little consideration given to
those who are.
I suggest you reread the post you replied to and think about how badly
you represented my words. I also suggest you lay off those energy
drinks. They are extremely bad for you and can push you into hypomania
or worse. If you want a clear head ask for Neurontin, and trade the
effexor for celexa.
Keith
On Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:29:51 -0000, "Morgan" <mor...@thepentagon.com>
wrote:
[:+)If you are seriously suggesting to newbies at this newsgroup that LSD and
[:+)cannabis would be sensible and safe medication for BP, you might need to
[:+)adjust your own dosage. I have also consumed both in large quantities, but
[:+)I've learned from experience. It's one thing saying "they work for me". It's
[:+)another to advocate their use by bipolars, ignore the advice of 90%+ of
[:+)pdocs, and accuse anyone with a different opinion of being drug company
[:+)lackeys. Get real.
[:+)
[:+)For an alternative view, see:
[:+)
[:+)Mental Disturbances with Positive Psychiatric History-Toxic Psychosis
[:+)http://www.wellnessmd.com/marij.htm
[:+)Evidence suggests that marijuana is a greater risk to patients who have
[:+)suffered psychotic illness and to those who have had major affective
[:+)illnesses prior to use. In addition, depressed individuals who are heavy
[:+)marijuana users may be less responsive to conventional drug treatment of
[:+)their depression. Marijuana use in these individuals particularly should be
[:+)avoided. It should be kept in mind that even though a toxic psychosis due to
[:+)marijuana abuse has a relatively good prognosis, the psychosis mobilized or
[:+)aggravated by cannabis in schizophrenic patients does not (Weil 1970, Kemp
[:+)1970).
[:+)
[:+)Ablon and Goodwin administered oral THC doses of 5 mg/d to 20 mg bid to
[:+)under double blind conditions to 8 unipolar and 5 bipolar patients.
[:+)Dysphoric reactions were noted in 75% of the unipolar patients but in only
[:+)20% of the bipolar patients (p<0.10). This compared to a 33% dysphoria rate
[:+)in normal volunteers. The authors hypothesized that the THC acted as a "mood
[:+)intensifier" and best ought to be avoided in patients with unipolar
[:+)affective illness (Ablon and Goodwin 1974)
[:+)
[:+)Knudsen and Vilmar collected ten schizophrenic patients with a history of
[:+)cannabis abuse. All of the patients had been receiving depot antipsychotics
[:+)for at least 6 months prior to this particular exacerbation of their
[:+)illness. The cannabis produced an initial beneficial effect for the patients
[:+)in that the anergia, anhedonia, and low imaginative capacity caused by the
[:+)antipsychotic was reversed. However, later a recurrence of the unpleasant
[:+)positive schizophrenic symptoms led to the patients being rehospitalized
[:+)(Knudsen and Vilmar 1984).
[:+)
[:+)
[:+)MARIJUANA UPDATE 1996 by Janet D. Lapey, M.D.
[:+)Marijuana causes many mental disorders, including acute toxic psychosis,
[:+)panic attacks, flashbacks, delusions, depersonalization, hallucinations,
[:+)paranoia, depression, and "uncontrollable feelings of aggression." (1)
[:+)
[:+)Marijuana has long been known to trigger attacks of mental illness, such as
[:+)bipolar (manic-depressive) psychosis and schizophrenia. It has been shown
[:+)that marijuana users are six times more likely to develop schizophrenia than
[:+)are non-users. (3)
[:+)
[:+)Marijuana use is associated with the development of Amotivational Syndrome.
[:+)(4)
[:+)
[:+)"Often the relationship of impairments and symptoms to marijuana use becomes
[:+)evident only when the user is persuaded to stop, shows clear-cut improvement
[:+)in mood and behavior, and describes a feeling of coming out of a fog." (5)
[:+)
[:+)Marijuana impairs perception, judgment, thinking, memory, and learning.
[:+)Memory defects may persist six weeks after last use. (6)
[:+)
[:+)Mental disorders caused by marijuana (cannabis) listed in the Diagnostic and
[:+)Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) IV, published by the American
[:+)Psychiatric Association May 1994 include: Cannabis Dependence; Cannabis
[:+)Abuse; Cannabis Intoxication (impaired motor coordination, anxiety, impaired
[:+)judgment, sensation of slowed time, social withdrawal), often includes
[:+)perceptual disturbances; Cannabis Intoxication Delerium (memory deficit,
[:+)disorientation); Cannabis Induced Psychotic Disorder, Delusions; Cannabis
[:+)Induced Psychotic Disorder, Hallucinations; Cannabis Induced Anxiety
[:+)Disorder; other Cannabis-Related Disorders.
[:+)
[:+)Marijuana causes both dependence and addiction. "Marijuana is an addictive
[:+)drug...Addictive use is defined by compulsive, repeated use in spite of
[:+)adverse consequences. Marijuanas effects include tolerance, leading to
[:+)dependence, and then inability to cease use." (7)
[:+)
[:+)In many parts of the country, there are more people admitted to drug
[:+)treatment centers because of marijuana addiction than heroin addiction. (8)
[:+)
[:+)A withdrawal syndrome occurs, consisting of "anxiety, depression, sleep and
[:+)appetite disturbances, irritability, tremors, diaphoresis, nausea, muscle
[:+)convulsions, and restlessness." (9)
[:+)
[:+)1. Schwartz RH. Pediatric Clinics of North America 34:305-317, 1987.
[:+)3. Andreasson S et al. Lancet 2:1483-1485, 1987.
[:+)4. Schwartz RH, op.cit.
[:+)5. Jaffe JH. Drug Dependence. In Kaplan HI, Saddock BJ eds, Comprehensive
[:+)Textbook of Psychiatry, Baltimore: Williams & Wilkins, 1989.
[:+)6. Schwartz RH et al. Am J Dis Child 143:1214-1219, 1989.
[:+)7. Gold MS. Marijuana, NY:Plenum Medical Book Co., p. 227, 1989.
[:+)8. Office of National Drug Control Policy. Pulse Check, December 1994.
[:+)9. Gold MS. op. cit. p. 103.
[:+)
[:+)
Morgan
argument. Samoyed's opinions are dismissed as ignorant. Michelle's and mc's
bad experiences of cannabis are ignored. Dozens of pieces of research are
dismissed as the party line of the drug nazis. It's certainly critical, but
I'm not sure you could call it evaluation.
I have no problem with the legalisation of cannabis. I don't support the
drug nazis. The only reason I replied to this thread was because I don't
like the idea of a newbie coming here and getting the idea that it is
universally accepted at ASDM that cannabis is good for bipolars. In my
personal experience it isn't. In the opinion of all the pdocs I know it
isn't. (I know, I spent years arguing the same case as you do now.) Cannabis
apparently helps some bipolars, including you - great, I'm happy for you.
But for me and a lot of other people, it can have serious consequences.
If I was a tad edgy, I apologise. But it's not because I'm a rabid drug
nazi. It's because I used cannabis for most of my adult life, and that life
has improved out of all recognition since I gave it up. If I knew then what
I know now, I would never have started using it and I might have avoided
some scary and destructive manic episodes.
As for the energy drinks, I don't advocate them for anyone. As I said, I am
aware of how they can be dangerous. But like you with the cannabis, "they
seem to work for me". As for Neurontin, my pdoc does use it for some of his
patients, but with very variable results. Many people here seem to have
problems with it too. Lithium seems to work fine for me so I think I'll
stick with it. Thanks anyway.
Morgan
Keith Hardwick
for me. Before "N", I never felt halfway decent without pot. Now, I
don't care if it's available or not.
I hadn't noticed anyone here advocating pot any more than we advocate
anything else that often helps bipolars. And I have not criticized
anyone for saying they found pot bad for them. Everyone is different.
Keith
Morgan
vapor
net.net>,
"Morgan" <mor...@thepentagon.com>
wrote:
> If you are seriously suggesting to newbies at this newsgroup that LSD and
>
> For an alternative view, see:
>
> Evidence suggests that marijuana is a greater risk to patients who have
This is mostly outdated Conservative funded
research that stood to do a lot of
misinforming and scaring of mostly
teenagers in high schools in the 70's...
The same can be said of any of the current
popular medications for BiPolar Disorder...
All current medications have serious
potential side effects...
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vapor
***Again, Morgan's conservative thread is
typical of the "If it works for you, so be it.. if
not...move on to the next thing..."
And by the way Morgy baby- Cannabis IS
good for the majority of BiPolars, and YES it
IS accepted here as such...
toni burgess
two years a few years ago, I cannot imagine my life without it now. It helps
me relax,which is almost impossible for me. yes, it does cloud my mind, I'm
not denying that. But it helps me get along with other people as well as
helps me sleep. I feel as though it is important as water and air,although I
know this not to be true.
**** Posted from RemarQ - http://www.remarq.com - Discussions Start Here (tm) ****
OutOnALimb
I hesitate to speak for the majority, but I doubt very much that the
majority on ASDM believes that "Cannabis IS good for the majority of
BiPolars".
Indeed there is a highly vocal minority on the newsgroup that seems to
believe very strongly that cannabis is good for them . . . What is
accepted here, is their right to say so, not necessarily the validity of
their claims.
--
Kath
From here on my branch I can choose to plunge or soar.
I think I shall sit a while longer.
vapor <fa...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
<7buk0t$d03$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
<snipped>
Robert
It always made me feel, paranoid and isolated, probably
a lot to do with it being illegal. But if it works for you then
there is no arguing with that
remove the **** for email
Samoyed22
>Your ignorance of the effects of pot
is painfully clear, whereas I and many other thoughtful people on this
group speak honestly from experience, without any attempt to present
only the good or bad aspects of pot use.
Speak for yourself, and not about subjects you are ignorant of.
self-medicated with crack before it had that name, tripped my brains out till
they turned to green jello. (I'm still paranoid, so if any feds are reading
this, I stopped ten years ago. LOL) You are right to say I am narrow minded, it
comes from the sort of self-protectionism I believe necessary to maintain a
clean, sane lifestyle today. I suppose I should concede that if it works for
you then so be it. Me, I don't put my hand on a burning stove. Maybe your
hands are asbestos.
vapor
01be6a43$01d5e260$1b709a8e@kboyd>,
"OutOnALimb" <
OutOn...@REMOVEtoREPLYexcite.co
m> wrote:
> Vapor,
>
> I hesitate to speak for the majority, but I doubt very much that the
> majority on ASDM believes that "Cannabis IS good for the majority of
> BiPolars".
>
> Indeed there is a highly vocal minority on the newsgroup that seems to
> believe very strongly that cannabis is good for them . . . What is
> accepted here, is their right to say so, not necessarily the validity of
> their claims.
>
> --
> Kath
***And LIKEWISE for
LITHIUM...DEPAKOTE...NEURONTIN...TEGR
ETOL...ETCETRA...***
CHELLY1169
please attempt to support this ludicrous baseline statement with some semblance
of an intelligent fact based reasoning.
thank you.
--tink
Small Phoenix
<OutOn...@REMOVEtoREPLYexcite.com> wrote:
>Vapor,
>
>I hesitate to speak for the majority, but I doubt very much that the
>majority on ASDM believes that "Cannabis IS good for the majority of
>BiPolars".
>
It makes me throw up!
jackie
email at tjd....@dial.pipex.com
Web page at http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/close/xhq10/mem.htm
I've been Jay H, Canarybird, Empty Cage, Serin, Phoenix, even Crow.
Let's see if I can stick with this one for a while.
Robert
>I've been Jay H, Canarybird, Empty Cage, Serin, Phoenix, even Crow.
>Let's see if I can stick with this one for a while.
Do you like birdies? I do.
remove the **** for email
A ExFlammer in Recovery
pluto
have heard many times from the "proffessionals" at the v.a. hospital that
pot smoking is bad for you,especially if you suffer from mood disorders.FUCK
THEM AND FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!! I KNOW WHAT WORKS FOR ME!!!!!!!
Lynda
Hi Pluto,
Sorry for your anger. But it's okay. Do what is best for you.
Peace,
Lynda (Lyn...@bigfoot.com)
Reach beyond your grasp!
vapor
"pluto" <pl...@choice.net> wrote:
> i have bipolar disorder, and also am "post tramatic stress" from viet nam.i
> have heard many times from the "proffessionals" at the v.a. hospital that
> pot smoking is bad for you,especially if you suffer from mood disorders.FUCK
> THEM AND FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!! I KNOW WHAT WORKS FOR ME!!!!!!!
>
>
***WORD MY BROTHER!!!!***
zebedee
Dope is good for you, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
pluto <pl...@choice.net> wrote in message news:36ebf...@news.choice.net...