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Di...@alt.support.depression.manic.moderated

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Jul 23, 2007, 8:59:12 PM7/23/07
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telegrams, it doesn't matter.

There would be no place to hide.

If the government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge
in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence commun-
ity has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny,
and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort
to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how
privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know.

Such is the capability of this technology...

I don't want to see this country ever go across the bridge.

I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and
we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this
technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that
we never cross over that abyss.

That is the abyss from which there is no return.

*** end of 'Puzzle Palace' excerpts.


Wow.

No recap necessary.

I'm feeling a bit sick at this point, how about you?

******************************************************************************


Those of you who supported any version of the FBI/NSA Digital Telephony Act
sold us down the river, making use of this Orwellian Military technology
fully legal domestically for the first time.

The descent into the abyss, from which there is no return.


: * "Above the Law", by David Burnham, ISBN 0-684-80699-1, 1996
: *
: * [ Al Bayse was assistant director of the FBI's Technical Services
: * Division


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El...@alt.support.depression.manic.moderated

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Jul 23, 2007, 6:44:45 PM7/23/07
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public key certificates only
* issued to users of key recovery
* Yes. Yes. [405]
*
* Export controls codified: 56-bit limit
* on encryption exports, no judicial
* review.
* No. Yes. [301-308]
*
* Crime for use of encryption in
* furtherance of a crime.
* Yes. Use of a licensed KRA
* is a defense.
* Yes. No KRA defense. [104]
*
* Crime for issuance of a key in
* furtherance of a crime.
* No. Yes. [105]
*
* Gov't access to keys by subpoena
* without notice and or judicial approval
* Yes. Yes. [106]
*
* Foreign gov't access to keys
* Yes. Yes. [106]
*
* Federal procurements require key
* recovery.
* No. Yes. [201-207]
*
* Federal funding (Internet II,
* universities, etc.) requires use of key
* recovery.
* No. Yes. [201-207]
*
* "Safe harbor" liability protections for
* licensed CA's and recovery agents
* Yes. Yes. [501-505] Less extensive
* than Administration draft.
*
* Requires Pres. to negotiate for
* international key recovery.
* No. Yes. [Title 6]
*

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Ll...@alt.support.depression.manic.moderated

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Jul 23, 2007, 9:10:25 PM7/23/07
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were required to acquire, monitor, and
discard a large number of calls made by people with no connection
with the cocaine business in South American cities.

But so pleased was Mr. Ingersoll with the tips he was getting from the
dragnet monitoring that he ultimately persuaded the NSA to monitor
simultaneously nineteen other U.S. communication hubs.

]

* "Project L.U.C.I.D.", continued...
*
* Fort Meade is the hub of an information gathering octopus whose tentacles
* reach out to the four corners of the earth.
*
* The principal means of communicating this information is by the National
* Aeronautical and Space Administration (NASA) satellite communications
* system, which most people erroneously think exists primarily for the
* space program.
*
* It does not.
*
* The satellites, indeed NASA and the entire American Space Program, exist
* largely to supply the NSA with its telecommunications system. That is why
* the bulk of its operations are officially declared 'secret'. This
* ultimate 'Big Brother' machine even has an official name 'Project
* Platform'.

[
"The Puzzle Palace": all these computer systems are linked together
under Project Platform. The first Cray went to the NSA. p138
]

* Although the NSA was officially formed in 1952, it grew out of an
* International Agreement signed in 1947. Officially termed the "UKUSA
* PACT,


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Wedn...@alt.support.depression.manic.moderated

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Jul 23, 2007, 9:19:05 PM7/23/07
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* "If you think crime is bad now," he warned the assembled lawyers, "just
* wait and see what happens if the FBI one day is no longer able to conduct
* court-approved electronic surveillance."

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WE ARE NOW AT AN HISTORICAL CROSSROAD ON THE ENCRYPTION ISSUE.

THE SAFETY OF ALL AMERICANS [is at stake].

ANY SOLUTION THAT IGNORES THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND
NATIONAL SECURITY CONCERNS RISK GRAVE HARM TO BOTH.

Louis Freeh is lying.

* "Above the Law", by David Burnham, ISBN 0-684-80699-1, 1996
*

* The FBI attributes to wiretaps less than three percent of all judgements.
* Thus the FBI assertion that electronic surveillance is essential to
* investigating crime and nabbing spies and terrorists cannot be taken
* at face value.

Monitoree John DeLorean sends his regards.

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It is ECHELON that they are trying to protect.

If the FBI targets you, they can get all your phone conversations BEFORE
they are encrypted, and can get your password to access your private
cryptography key.

* "Above the Law", by David Burnham, ISBN 0-684-80699-1, 1996

* "Keeping Track of the American People: The Unblinking Eye and Giant Ear"
*
* About six times a week, fifty-two weeks a year, a team of highly trained
* FBI agents secretly breaks into a house, office, or warehouse somewhere in
* the United States.
*
* The agents are members of the bureau's Surreptitious En


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Ca...@alt.support.depression.manic.moderated

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Jul 23, 2007, 7:54:54 PM7/23/07
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a bunch of hooey.
]
:
: Kerrey's sudden interest in cryptologic arcana
: likely stems from a recent addition to his staff:
: policy aide Chris McLean.
:
: McLean is hardly a friend of the Net. While in
: former Sen. Jim Exon's (D-Neb.) office, McLean
: drafted the notorious Communications Decency
: Act and went on to prompt Exon to derail
: "Pro-CODE" pro-encryption legislation last fall.
: Then, not long after McLean moved to his current
: job, his new boss stood up on the Senate floor
: and bashed Pro-CODE in favor of the White
: House party line: "The President has put forward
: a plan which in good faith attempts to balance
: our nation's interests in commerce, security, and
: law enforcement."

Kerrey has since introduced a bill that parrots the Clinton administration's
philosophy:

* http://www.cdt.org/crypto/legis_105/mccain_kerrey/analysis.html
*
* Comparison: Major Features of the Administration and McCain-Kerrey Bills
*
* Administration Draft*
* McCain-Kerrey** [w. section#]
* Federal licensing of certificate
* authorities(CA) and key recovery
* agents
* Yes. Yes. [401-404]
*
* Linkage of CA's and key recovery:
* Encryption public key certificates only


* issued to users of key recovery
* Yes. Yes. [405]
*
* Export controls codified: 56-bit limit
* on encryption exports, no judicial
* review.
* No. Yes. [301-308]
*
* Crime for use of encryption in
* furtherance of a crime.
*


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On the Road to Damascus

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Jul 25, 2007, 5:41:47 PM7/25/07
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El...@alt.support.depression.manic.moderated wrote:

H,
This is indeed a serious TOS violation, and appears to me to be an
attack on the other crossposted newsgroup. However, it probably is
posted through a free news account, and the abuse will probably not
continue for any length of time...so I recommend it be ignored...
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